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More Evidence That Female Pastors Lead To False Churches Endorsing Homosexuality This Time From The Emergent Church

Posted by Job on August 2, 2009

From the brother at Apprising Ministries.  Please click on the link to read his important article!

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Southern Baptist Convention Association Head: Love the Homosexual, Hate OUR Sin

Posted by Job on October 1, 2008

SBC Head: Love the Homosexual, Hate OUR Sin

Christians often say “love the sinner, hate the sin” when expressing their stance on homosexuality. But the new leader of the Southern Baptist Convention wants to offer something different. “Why don’t we love the homosexual and hate OUR sin?” said Georgia pastor Johnny M. Hunt as he cited Jay Strack, founder of Student Leadership University.

When the public views Southern Baptists and how they deal with the issue of homosexuality, Hunt hopes people will see how they love the homosexual. (Did Jesus Christ have this attitude towards the Sadducees?) Hunt was elected last week to lead the largest Protestant denomination in the country. (Didn’t take him long, did it?) His election by nearly 53 percent of the votes of Southern Baptist messengers, or delegates, reflected a tide-turning moment for the denomination as it has begun to move away from bantering and toward encouragement. (Against opposing sin and towards encouraging it? Besides, this is not true, as Hunt has been more than willing to bash Calvinist Baptists.)

“There seemed to be … less of what we’re fighting against and more of what we all stand for,” said Sam Rainer, a pastor and president of Rainer Research, in his latest blog post, as he reflected on last week’s annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention.

The 16 million-member convention is growing its ministry to help those in the gay and lesbian lifestyle and train churches in how to respond to homosexuality. Bob Stith, who heads SBC’s Ministry to Homosexuals Task Force, says the ministry has received “tremendous support” from the denominational leadership. But he’s having some trouble with the local SBC churches.

According to Stith, less than 8 percent of SBC churches have received training on the issue of homosexuality – training that encourages believers to reach out to those with same-sex attractions and give a compassionate yet biblical response to the matter.

Only 22 percent of SBC pastors believe Southern Baptists are sufficiently ministering to persons with same-sex attractions, indicating that most desire to reach out.

“I think the Christian faith has not done as good a job as we ought to of reacting redemptively toward people who are caught in the web of the homosexual lifestyle,” said Dr. Richard Land, president of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, during an informal dialogue at the annual meeting. “These people are not beyond the grace of God and they need the grace of God. We need to reach out to them.”

While reaching out, Southern Baptists continue to stand firm on the stance that homosexual behavior is a sin.

A recent survey by LifeWay Research showed that 100 percent of SBC pastors said they believe homosexual behavior is sinful. Among a small sample of SBC messengers at the annual meeting in Indianapolis, 91 percent agreed.

Their unified stance was also reflected when they overwhelmingly adopted a resolution that rejected the California Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex “marriage.” The resolution calls Southern Baptists to support a ballot initiative defending traditional marriage, encourages pastors to speak “strongly, prophetically and redemptively concerning the sinful nature of homosexuality,” and reaffirms the denomination’s “consistent support of the biblical definition of marriage as an exclusive union between a man and a woman.”

Darrell Orman, pastor of First Baptist Church in Stuart, Fla., and chairman of the resolutions committee, praised the Southern Baptist Convention for its strong stance especially at a time when many Protestant groups are debating over whether homosexual behavior is sinful or not.

Still, Southern Baptists are distancing themselves from the view that homosexuality is the worst sin.

“I never preach against homosexuality [without also] saying ‘let me talk to you heterosexuals that are violating God’s principles,'” said SBC president Hunt.

“But I still think anyone that’s in any type of sin is oftentimes a person in bondage that would like to be set free,” he continued, “would like to know that someone can love them like they are but believe that God loves them so much that He’s not willing to leave them like they are.”

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The Southern Baptist Convention’s Lifeway Bookstores Is Right: Gospel Today Magazine IS Promoting Women Pastors!

Posted by Job on September 19, 2008

Gospel Today magazine pulled from Christian bookstores’ shelves

Now do not go overboard in your praise of Lifeway, for they also carry the heresies of not only Rick Warren, but also oneness pentecostal prosperity doctrine word of faith T.D. Jakes. But in this matter, Lifeway is 100% correct. Gospel Today made their decision easy by telegraphing the fact that they are obviously promoting being conformed to the ways of this world rather than following scripture with this quote:

“It’s really kind of sad when you have people like [Gov.] Sarah Palin and [Sen.] Hillary Clinton providing encouragement and being role models for women around the world that we have such a divergent opinion about women who are able to be leaders in the church,” Hairston said. “I was pretty shocked.” 

Not only is this worldliness, but it is deception and dishonesty, flat out lying with the willful intent to confuse, mislead, and deceive Christians. Hairston well knows that the Bible only withholds from women positions of leadership over men, including pastorates, in the church and in the home. Outside of the church and home, a woman can hold any position that she wants: CEO, president, lawyer, doctor, you name it. And the Bible practices what it preaches, for Lydia of Thyatira of Acts was an entrepreneur/businesswoman who opened her house to the very New Testament writer whom the Holy Spirit inspired to restrict women from pastorates, apostle Paul. Lydia is credited with founding one of the apostolic churches in her home and therefore played a key role in bringing the gospel to a new area, but she was not a pastor. If these people are willing to throw away what the Bible says on women pastors to follow Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin today, what other confusion and disobedience will they cast aside the Bible in order to follow tomorrow? Hillary Clinton’s embrace of universalism and abortion? Or what about Sarah Palin’s refusal to denounce the sin of homosexuality, claiming that she has “diversity in her family”, thereby implying that being homosexual is no different from being Native American like her own husband and children? The same Palin who can proclaim that God’s will is being advanced by our invading Iraq and her seeking federal money to build an oil pipeline in her state says that she is unqualified to discern and judge what the Bible plainly says about homosexuality? And we are still looking for the snipers that were shooting at Hillary Clinton in Bosnia, aren’t we? And these are the people that Gospel Today wants you to cast aside your Bibles for and follow? It is becoming ever easier to determine in this day and age who is loving Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments (John 14:15)  and who isn’t. In many cases all that is required is to open your eyes.

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National Religious Broadcasters Using Oneness Modalist Heretic TD Jakes To Get Out The Vote

Posted by Job on May 12, 2008

Driving to work this morning viewing the effects of the terrible thunderstorms that spared my neighborhood but hard hit the one right next to mine, I was listening to Christian radio. Out of the blue comes TD Jakes’ booming voice. In it, he first speaks of how much he loves America and so forth. I immediately thought of Jakes doing this to exploit anger over Barack Hussein Obama, Michelle Obama, and Jeremiah Wright’s considerably less than jingoistic statements and actions. Then he went into his exhortation spiel for people to register and get out to vote. 

First, I see Lifeway Bookstores, owned by the Southern Baptist Convention, selling TD Jakes’ doctrinal error (oneness pentecostalism and the Word of Faith/prosperity doctrine are but a few of his MANY problems) and now the National Religious Broadcasters are using this guy. I had been using the NRB as a sort of a refuge from the blatant charismania that you will find on The Word Network, Trinity Broadcasting Network, Daystar, etc. So I just ignored the heavy Pat Robertson presence on the channel, as well as their “white Europeans are the descendants of the children of Israel … the Danube River is so named because of the tribe of Dan” show that comes on early in the morning. I also ignored their embrace of the Ellen White Seventh Day Adventist cult. So I suppose that I cannot cast NRB aside on Jakes’ account, since the ones that I just named are hardly better – if anything some might be worse – or else I would be reacting out of a personal dislike for Jakes rather than on principle. (On the other hand, Slice of Laodicea has criticized NRB, albeit for different reasons, such as this post stating that not one red cent of NRB’s $5 BILLION IN ASSETS is being used to defend the faith from Oprah Winfrey.)

Incidentally, speaking of TD Jakes and PR spots, he has another one out (I did not catch the sponsor!) promoting single sex education, saying that “boys need their own schools so that they will be able to, you know, romp and stuff (his choice of words not mine!) and that boys learn differently from girls and needed their own classrooms in order to be accommodated. So … it looks like Jakes is not that far removed from Jeremiah Wright’s separatist doctrines after all? 

I have to be honest, back when I was part of the religious right and allowing my worldview to be shaped by the Washington Times and the National Review, I was in full agreement. But now … I just recall reading about this inner city public school that went all male. Sure, the discipline problems decreased and the test scores went up. But when they interviewed the boys that attended the school, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WANTED THEM TO BRING THE GIRLS BACK! Why? Because, er … BOYS LIKE GIRLS! Or at least they are supposed to anyway. Perhaps now that T.D. Jakes is on board with the new world order’s gay rights agenda (and yes this is relevant … perhaps due to his son) he thinks it is OK. To me, the whole single sex education thing … who wants it? Certainly not the kids. Not the administrators or teachers. Parents go for it only because they are desperate for any hook or angle to improve the failing school systems that the government is ruining on purpose. Not even the old fashioned religious sorts – of which I am one – think that it is a good idea anymore, where you were supposed to keep boys and girls separate in their little boarding or finishing schools (where they were supposed to look OH SO CUTE in their little uniforms I guess) UNTIL GRADUATION DAY WHEN YOU MARRY THEM OFF.

Sorry people, but society has changed. Not all of the changes have been for the good, but methinks that one of the most important things for a boy to learn from school is how to treat a lady and how to behave yourself in their presence. For some of us guys, those things do not come naturally, and you only learn them through trial and error. Especially error. (If you don’t learn to handle competition and rejection in junior high and high school, how on earth are you supposed to handle being turned down for jobs, promotions, college choices, etc. later in life?) So … HOW ON EARTH ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO LEARN THOSE THINGS IF THERE ARE NO GIRLS AROUND TO LEARN THEM FROM? 

Like I said, TD Jakes may have his own reasons for wanting to turn your local public school into Morehouse College or similar, and whatever they are I oppose them 100%. All the more reason why the Southern Baptist Convention should not be selling this guy’s books and NRB shouldn’t be using him for their get out the vote campaign. But I suppose that this oneness anti – Trinitarian heretic is just too good at making money and moving public opinion for these people to pass up. That is, unless they are actually along with Jakes, on his side. After all, the Southern Baptists refuse to do anything about the likes of New Age heretic Erwin McManus and Council on Foreign Relations worker Rick Warren (and Richard Land too?), and as stated earlier, Al Sharpton Al Gore global warming propagandist partner Pat Robertson is a major partner with the NRB. 

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Christian Capitalism: Has The Southern Baptist Convention Crossed The Line?

Posted by Job on January 19, 2008

This may be a small indication, I know, but a real sign nonetheless. Lifeway Christian Stores is owned by the Southern Baptist Convention. This means that unlike the independent and corporate owned Christian bookstores, they should have a commitment to their own orthodoxy as well a responsibility to oppose the mammon in the Chri$tian book$tore indu$try, right? Well think again. Recently, when I walked into the local Lifeway Christian bookstore affiliate, I saw a devotional book by none other than lying oneness pentecostal Council on Foreign Relations heretic T.D. Jakes!

As if the Southern Baptist Church didn’t already have issues with emergent, antinomian, and Rick Warren Mike Huckabee purpose driven heretics. (By the way, like Paul Crouch said about his opponents, the Purpose Driven people say that we are going to the lake of fire.) This is just a small example of why some are trying to promote Al Mohler to take over the convention

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Southern Baptists More Worried About Calvinists Than Purpose Driven Emergent Apostasy

Posted by Job on December 21, 2007

Southern Baptists Debate Calvinism, Urge Cooperation

The rise of Calvinism among the 16 million Southern Baptists in the country shed light on existing divides within the denomination, prompting greater efforts for cooperation. Hundreds of Southern Baptists joined together last week for what was said to be a historic meeting on Calvinism. As leaders pushed for understanding and “building bridges” during the three-day conference, many recognized a broad range of beliefs increasingly influencing Southern Baptist life.

“We cannot say there is one stream that has made us,” David Dockery, president of Union University in Jackson, Tenn., told some 550 Southern Baptists at the LifeWay Ridgecrest Conference Center in North Carolina. “We find ourselves shaped by fundamentalists, by revivalists, by evangelicals, and by Calvinists. We are at a time when we need to understand who we are, where we have been and where we are going. By and large, we don’t understand our heritage.”

Dockery’s comments come at a time when an increasing number of SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) seminary graduates are affirming Calvinism, according to LifeWay Research director and missiologist Ed Stetzer. The majority of Southern Baptists have not been consistent with the five major points of Calvinism – total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saint – Dockery noted, and many have concerns about its rising influence. (Where are the concerns over the Purpose – Driven and emergent elements in the Southern Baptist Convention? Why no urgent Southern Baptist meetings over that group and what it means for the heritage and future of the convention?)

In an effort to break stereotypes hindering dialogue on Calvinism, or Reformed theology, and push for cooperative unity, Founders Ministries and Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary co-sponsored the meeting aptly titled “Building Bridges: Southern Baptists and Calvinism.”

One of the myths argued against was that Calvinism is a threat to evangelism. Nathan Finn, instructor of church history at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest N.C., noted that the lack of evangelistic activity among Southern Baptist Calvinists is similar to the little evangelism seen among other churches in the Southern Baptist Convention. (Thanks Nathan Finn for demonstrating that a spiritually dead church is a spiritually dead church, period. Besides, please let it be known that apostate churches are often among the best at evangelizing.)

Stetzer revealed from recent studies that the number of annual baptisms relative to total membership of Calvinistic churches is virtually identical to that of non-Calvinistic churches. Some went farther to say the rise of Calvinism can help evangelistic activity. “I believe that the doctrines of grace (Calvinism) will help us restore true evangelism,” said Jeff Noblit, senior past or First Baptist church in Muscle Shoals, Ala.

“And perhaps to say that it will restore true evangelism is a shocking statement to many. After all, many have already declared that the rise in Calvinism will kill evangelism,” he added. “You can’t pin the deadness and lack of evangelism of roughly 10,000 Southern Baptists churches on the fact that Calvinism killed evangelism. It was dead already.” The number of baptisms in SBC churches declined for the second consecutive year in 2006. (Again, thanks Jeff Noblit for pointing this out.)

Noblit noted that “probably” the most used and copied witnessing tool Southern Baptists have ever embraced is “Evangelism Explosion,” developed by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy, a Presbyterian and five-point Calvinist.

At the same time, Noblit said he was not suggesting that Calvinists are “the perfect models.” Yet some Calvinists accuse non-Calvinists of being less than gospel preachers because they do not accept the five points of Calvinism. It’s that very accusation that concerns non-Calvinists, said Charles Lawless – dean of the Billy Graham School of Missions, Evangelism and Church Growth at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. – dispelling the stereotype that non-Calvinists do not like Calvinists.

During the conference, Southern Baptist theologians debated on the five points, including unconditional election – that God chooses every person who will be saved, not based on an individual’s merit or on his looking forward to discover who would accept the offer of the gospel but solely upon the counsel of His own will – and limited atonement – that Christ died for the elect and not all.

Southern Baptists were urged to be committed to defending their particular convictions but not at the expense of cooperation with each other. “The Calvinism issue is not going to go away, so Southern Baptists must be willing to openly discuss and debate the doctrines of grace in an effort to be biblically accurate and, just maybe, come to a greater theological consensus in the years to come,” said Finn.

“I believe our Baptist fellowship is big enough in all the right ways,” Daniel Akin, president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, told the attendants. “We may not agree on everything, but we agree on more than enough to work together for our Lord Jesus in fulfilling the Great Commission.” (They need to start agreeing on kicking the Purpose Driven and emergent folks out. But it really does seem that most of these folks would rather keep the Purpose Driven emergents and kick the Calvinists out instead. Oh well.)

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Abrahamic Faith Continues The Battle Against Rick Warren Purpose Driven Apostasy In Southern Baptist Convention

Posted by Job on November 19, 2007

*Please note: I have Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee tagged here because as a minister he achieved phenomenal growth in his church using the Rick Warren Purpose Driven formula, and it was on that basis that he became president of the Arkansas Southern Baptist Convention, and it was based largely on that Huckabee Hound took the Arkansas governorship. This missive illustrates why Christians SHOULD NOT want this Rick Warren disciple in the White House. The way that Mitt Romney supporters have been going after Huckabee lately (see here where an entire site whose entire purpose for existing I invalidate here calls Huckabee’s supporters stupid and accuses them of being responsible for the New Hampshire push poll) shows that Huckabee has a real shot of winning this thing. What will happen will happen, but biblical Christians should read this and understand that no matter what James Dobson, Chuck Norris, and other prominent evangelical Christian leaders ultimately wind up doing, we should not support Huckabee any more than we should support Romney.

From James Sundquist of Rock Salt Publishing:

SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION PRESIDENT RETALIATES AGAINST JAMES SUNDQUIST RE RICK WARREN

Here is my Warren update:

In light of Dr. Frank Page having just spoken at the Florida Baptist Convention this week, please be alerted to the following response to Dr. Frank Page. There is another side of the story which contradicts his own published statement and campaign theme.

I sent the following response to SBC President Frank Page’s retaliation against me and my original appeal to him to several hundred Southern Baptist Pastor and leaders in the U.S. Not one single pastor responded with even an iota of concern for the SOS calls and emails I received from all over the world from Purpose Driven victims. Not one single SBC pastor responded with any concerns about Rick Warren’s false teachings. However, a host of them asked to be removed from my mailing list and a few dozen actually retaliated too, but NONE could refute my facts, and only one tried to reason from Scripture by saying that I was sowing discord among the brethren which the Lord hates. But I am just the messenger. It is Rick Warren who has sown discord among the brethren by attacking them as resisters and removing them from church after church through his training…a true devourer of the Lord’s sheep! And of course, NONE of them repented!

My initial appeal and letter entitled:

Response to SBC President Frank S. Page’s “Better Together” & Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan vs. Scripture

which generated his response is now posted at: http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/search?q=Sundquist

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing

P.S. In the event that you may not believe my report, I invite you to contact Pastor Bob DeWaay, Twin City Fellowship in Minneapolis, who will corroborate my testimony regarding Rick Warren. He has also written a book on his teachings. You can reach him at:

Twin City Fellowship
2734 Rhode Island Ave. S.
St. Louis Park, MN
(Corner of W 28th St. & Rhode Island Ave. S.)
For further information, please call 952-935-3100.
********

November 7, 2007

SUBJECT: JAMES SUNDQUIST RESPONSE TO FRANK PAGE, PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION & PASTOR OF TAYLORS BAPTIST CHURCH

I am in receipt of SBC President Frank Page’s your letter regarding my appeal to him, his staff and members of his congregation. Here is his letter:

Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:10 PM

Subject: RE: Second request re Florida Baptist Convention

Dear James,

I will preach the Gospel at the Fla meeting. I will not be attacking other believers. Please do not send any more of your material to my staff or to me.

In Christ,

Frank Page

I send all emails expecting that, as a matter of courtesy, the recipients would ask my permission before sharing them with others. I hope you will honor this request, and if you received this email in error, that you would let me know, deleting your copy of it.

Here is my response.

First of all I would like to compare this response to his own historical statement:

“Southern Baptist Convention president Frank Page said Tuesday the denomination needs to set aside internal differences and be both “right and relevant” to revive languishing membership trends. When we speak the truth without love, it leads to a cold-hearted legalism that our world has come to say is the caricature of […]” SOURCE: http://christianresearchnetwork.com/index.php?s=missional

So by his own definition, Dr. Frank Page’s response to me is “cold-hearted legalism”…in speaking what he believes to be true…[I am not conceding that Dr. Page is even telling the truth by implying that I am bearing false witness against him and Rick Warren because I am attacking a brother.] If this is love, I sure hope I am not around when he doesn’t speak the truth in love, assuming he even allows his members to hear the truth, since he bars them from hearing from me. Forbidding his staff from hearing the cries and SOS calls from SBC victims…this is love? Any reasonable person would construe “attacking” as implied slander NOT legitimate correction or rebuking a brother.

Now let us compare Dr. Frank Page’s response to me with these Scriptures:

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” II Timothy 2:24-26

I must also ask how Dr. Frank Pages’ response obeys these Scriptures:

“Show proper respect to everyone” I Peter 2:17

“When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate.” I Peter 2:23

“Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.” I Peter 3:15

and

“Brothers, do not slander one another” James 4:11

“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” Colossians 3:1

“Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling, and slander, along with every form of malice.”

“Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there remember est that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.” Matthew 5:23-24

I am desperate to know if there is ever any situation in which these people think that correcting, opposing, rebuking, rebuking sharply, reproving, warning, silencing voices which ruin whole households, entreating, bringing an accusation against an elder with two or more witnesses, taking a brother before the entire church, turning a brother over to Satan, calling for repentance, admonishing, warning, appealing, expelling, exposing those who shipwreck the faith of many, which are all verbs the Apostle Paul used, is NOT “attacking other believers” , but actually helping them and the church? Is there one person that this was done to in which they believed the action helped the person vs. destroying them as they allege? I am not slandering Rick Warren if I am telling the truth about him…comparing his own published words with Scripture. But for me to remain silent in face of his published teachings , I would be harming him as well as those he teaches to follow him. It is the Lord alone I must fear. Rick Warren is also harming himself by resisting correction and not amending his published teachings.

Now much of this assumes that Rick Warren is even a brother. No man can know whether or not he is with certainty. But we can and must treat him as though he were not a brother, based on Paul’s own commands to the church:

Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

1 Corinthians 5:11 “You must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, but is sexually immoral, or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.”

and the Apostle John’s warning:

1JO 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1JO 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

1JO 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

1JO 4:4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

1JO 4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them.

Those verses right there should be all any pastor needs to know to discern that the Purpose Driven movement is not from God.

Dr. Frank Page has asked that I refrain from further writing him or any of the staff of Taylors First Baptist Church. I will honor the request to not directly write him, for I have fulfilled my biblical obligation to appeal and to warn him twice. But I will can not comply with his request to cease from writing the staff members listed on Taylors First Baptist Church or the members of his congregation. I will also continue to alert the Southern Baptist Church at large and the various discernment ministries and Christian radio programs throughout the world, unless they specifically asked to be removed from my mailings. It is obvious from his letter that he is trying to intimidate me, which is quite common among Purpose Driven Pastors. Unless Dr. Frank Page prohibited them for speaking for themselves, I will let them speak for themselves, if this is their request…they have but to email me with a request to be removed from my mailing list, and I will happily comply. This will also serve to verify their solidarity with him, if this be the case. Let their yeas be yea and their nays nay. Dr. Page may have the power to stop his congregation from engaging in reciprocal dialog, but he does not have the biblical mandate to prevent this. It should be obvious to everyone what Pastor President Frank Page does not want [members of his own congregation] to hear. Do members of Taylors First Baptist Church want their pastor telling them with whom they can and can’t correspond? One can’t help but wonder why Dr. Frank Page doesn’t attempt censor my communications with pastors, staff, and members of the entire Southern Baptist Convention. If he is so against “attacking other believers” why does he continue to promote Rick Warren who attacks other Christians by calling Fundamentalist Christians “enemies of the 21st Century”? Rick Warren more than attacks other believers…he removes them if they oppose or resist is global agenda and bars them from membership if they refuse to sign his many covenants. And if Dr. Page believes in this so strongly, why does he use incendiary language such as “attack a believer” in retaliating against me vs. respond and answering my questions? How about Dr. Frank Page saying something like:

“Wow, this is very serious, thank you for bringing it to my attention! I will make every effort to let their voices be heard instead of silencing them, for I know that even in the secular world, victims of a crime are allowed to make a victim’s statement in a courtroom. I will be sure that some of them are allowed to speak and invite them myself to the platform if I have to! I can’t very well make an announcement to SBC brothers and sisters that we are “better together”, then fail to follow through with the offer, rendering it a sham and bringing further humiliation on victims of our campaign to enforce compliance with Purpose Driven teachings and covenants. What a hypocrite I would be if I were to now treat them as illegal aliens in the Body of Christ. But I should have no trouble doing this act of contrition and restitution because I am President of the entire Southern Baptist Convention, and I certainly have the moral authority to do so! And it is imperative that I extend this olive branch!”

Did the Apostle Paul “attack” Peter, because he was clearly in the wrong, or was he doing what he the Bible teaches and that is expose false teachings and marking them if they don’t repent? Paul was sharply rebuking and doing so publicly, as I am do so with him, as this is public matter.

Dr. Page’s response is no surprise…totally unrepentant and zero compassion for PDC victims and absolutely now indication whatsoever that he would even entertain or give any audience to Christians who are simply trying to be good Bereans.. Therefore, I will not honor his request regarding sharing his email with others (unless this were a private matter which I would of course respect confidentiality and disclaimers). This is a matter of public teaching requiring public rebuke.

Dr. Page could have used a little more grace, even if Dr. Page disagrees and wishes to defend Rick Warren’s teachings. And even if I oppose him, Paul has specific instructions and procedures on how to deal with even opposition which does not even remotely resemble his response to me. For Dr. Page to react like emotional nitroglycerin does not remind me of the fruit of the spirit of self-control. His response would hardly constitute anything resembling “come, let us reason” as the Apostle Paul tells us. It is perfectly responsible for Christians to engage in an honest dialog about the dangers of PDL. Is Dr. Page suggesting Christians can’t send an unsolicited email to another Christian, or even a church that claims its teachings are Christian which they have already publicly posted on their own church website? If this is true. Martin Luther had no business posting his “unsolicited” 95 Theses on the Wittenberg Door. Paul spent most of his ministry preaching to “unsolicited” and even hostile audiences. Besides this, the leaders of Dr. Page’s church post various groups have virtually placed a banner on their site advertising themselves, with name and email addresses. So this tells me that they are willing to receive inquiries and commentary regarding Rick Warren. Is Dr. Page telling me that they are only interested in receiving emails that toe the party line and are in complete agreement with the teachings they promote? If this is his position, he should put that disclaimer by every email address, because someone else at some point is bound to also send an email letter of concern to them….only to get blasted or have their email ignored. And it is not as though Dr. Frank Page has not already been confronted. Other Christian brothers and Pastor Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries has confronted him too, beginning in 2006, but still he refuses correction:

http://hottubreligion.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/apprising-ministriesken-silva/

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/letter_to_south.html

He has also now despised even reaching out to the victims of Purpose Driven Teachings. What a great opportunity lost to reconcile with these saints that Rick Warren’s training has purpose-driven out of churches all over the world at the Florida Baptist Convention and other SBC venues where he speaks. Though he has given lip service and a form of godliness in publicly stating that Southern Baptists are “Better Together,” his defiance speaks in his email speaks volumes. For those of you attending the Florida Baptist Convention, why don’t one of you call his hand and stand up and ask him to give disposed SBC members the mike and platform? What kind of Christian witness is it prevent the Southern Baptist attendees to hear the other side of the story? Dr. Page even acknowledges that there are factions of SBC out there who will not even talk to each other. Then Dr. Page sets a fine example by becoming one of these very people by refusing to talk to me. I too have witnessed first hand the divisions in the church when I spoke at the East Coast Prophecy Conference a in 2004. Since then the emails continue to roll in from PDC victims all over the world. I personally spoke with God-fearing members from churches all over the country come up to me in despair at the same kind of response by Dr. Frank Page issued to me, that they were getting at Rick Warren’s PDL churches for questioning his teachings and the churches implementing his programs, only to be vilified and marked as trouble makers, and in many cases ousted from their congregations. And these very same SOS calls are flooding into many other ministries too such as Southwest Radio, Pastor Bob DeWaay, Moriel Ministries, and Contending Earnestly for The Faith in Australia and many others I mentioned in my recent letter to Dr. Page. But I had thought better of Dr. Frank Page, particularly after his recent “Better Together” statements. But I was wrong.

Does Ephesians say “expose the deeds of darkness” unless the perpetrator wrote a disclaimer on his plans or sent it to someone confidentially and did not give permission?

Therefore, I will not honor his request regarding his staff. What is he trying to hide from them? Wouldn’t his staff want to know? Shouldn’t his staff, deacons and members know…unless they are also accomplices? Let them make such a request…unless pastor is master and thought control censors any ability on their part to answer for themselves. If these staff members post their email address and are prevented by him from responding unless it promotes the party line, then they should say so and make it clear on the website. Dr. Page may have already told his staff not to respond to me, but there were no carbon copies and I have no way of knowing if there were any blind carbon copies he may have sent them or simply told them privately. In any case, if I were on staff or a member of Taylors First Baptist Church, I would certainly want to know who the pastor is interfering with to allow correspondence from another believer who is inquiring at their own published website. I would certainly want to know who a pastor told me I could not communicate with if I were a member of his church. Are the members of Taylors First Baptist Church Pastor Frank Page’s own private supply of royal jelly? Does he own their free will? Is he claiming to speak for them? Is he now their conscience? More frightening is the implication that he is acting as the Holy Spirit for his members, thereby usurping the Office of the Holy Spirit. Is this his church? His staff? Or Jesus Christ’s church? The Apostle Paul even welcomed the opposition to debate, as did Apollos. But Dr. Page’s idea of “Better Together” is to by all means silence the opposition and answer NONE of the legitimate concerns or appeals presented to him and make no space for them at SBC conventions and events. Give them no audience, as is most clearly about to transpire at the Florida Baptist Convention. If he is accusing me of bearing false witness against him or Rick Warren, then he must prove it. He has not done so, but, as usual with most PDC pastors, he simply retaliates and censors me. If my accusations are false, I appeal to his congregation members to confront him to document where and give specifics…unless he doesn’t believe the Apostle Paul, who said you must have them if you are going to make charges.

I always hope all things…that if he or any Christian states they want to reconcile (“better together”), then I want to give them every opportunity to follow through. In this case, Dr. Page has only verified and confirmed our suspicions and accusations. His philosophy collides with the Apostle Paul’s’ own instructions and model of behavior regarding confronting brothers in Christ and exposing false brethren.

I am biblically commanded to only warn him twice…that is unless he repents, particularly since he professes to be a teacher [pastor] of God’s Word, according his own church website. Was the Apostle Paul “attacking a believer” when he confronted Peter, Alexander the Blacksmith, Hymenaus and Philetus, and the Pharisees in Galatians? Was the Jude “attacking a believer”? Was the Apostle John “attacking a believer” in confronting Diotrephes, who was doing exactly what Rick Warren is doing? My defense and accusations are based on objective criteria of Scripture. His defense is based on his own subjective ad homimim attack on me personally. What kind of criteria is that? He is convicted by his own testimony and by what he is promoting at his own church. The Apostle Paul always preached repentance and Christ crucified in synagogues, always proselytizing…diametrically opposed to what Rick Warren did when he spoke at Synagogue 3000 and even declared to them that he was not trying to convert them. He is just trying to help the grow bigger and better synagogues…i.e. grow the false religion of Judaism. And once again what did Paul do regarding Judaizers, he condemned them in Galatians, the opposite of what Rick Warren has done. And this does not make him a false teacher that the President of the Southern Baptist Convention should not expose? You don’t think the Apostle Paul would have sharply rebuked Rick Warren for this kind of public teaching? He could not have remained silent in good conscience, but Dr. Page says nothing because that would be “attacking a believer”. And if that weren’t enough, Rick Warren is doing the same with Mormons and Roman Catholics.

Dr. Page remains silent about Rick Warren while Rick Warren votes for the New Ager August Turak who won the Power of Purpose Award because to speak out would be “attacking a believer”…Rick Warren has reinvited New Age sympathizer Ken Blanchard to preach at his church whom I exposed in my second book on Rick Warren and Mr. Frank Page remains silent so as to not be “attacking a believer”. Rick Warren purpose-drives them out of the church and trains 400,000 pastors globally how to do it, and this without cause or the due process of church discipline outlined in Scripture in which these brothers and sisters must be found guilty of heresy first, while Dr. Frank Page remains silent because that would be “attacking a believer”. But those who oppose Warren, however, do have just cause to remove him from the church. And as the Apostle Paul would say, “I am now therefore the enemy because I tell you the truth?” And what do you think Peter would think of all of the believers gathered a Pentecost singing a song like Jimmi Hendrix’ Purple Haze, as Rick Warren led the multitudes in the stadium where he launched his Global Peace Plan? While Frank Page remains silent because that would be “attacking a believer”. Dr. Page, may remain silent, but you don’t have to.

In order for the SBC Florida Conference theme to be considered anything other than a sham, Willie Rice and Dr. Frank Page, President of the Florida Baptist Convention must invite SBC victims such as Mrs. Betty Erwin or Charles Jones of Iuka Baptist Church. They need to also invite an author of an opposing view to Rick Warren’s teachings, as a speaker, which to my knowledge has never happened at any SBC church in the country. I hope you will not be fooled by these apostate leaders, masquerading as servants of righteousness.

Therefore, I remind Dr. Frank Page, SBC President, Pastor Willie Rice, Pastor Mac Brunson, and Rick Warren, and will warn others about these men according to these Scriptures:

“Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there remember est that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.” Matthew 5:23-24

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

“For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” Revelation 22:15

So SBC President and Pastor Frank Page can remain silent and do what he must do. But I will not be silenced, I will do what I must do. I hope and pray that you will not be afraid of these men, but rather fear the Lord, and not be silenced either, but will hold him accountable!

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist Rock Salt Publishing http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/False-Teachers.html

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Sonny Perdue: More Republican Universalism

Posted by Job on November 14, 2007

For the uninitiated, north Georgia is experiencing two things at once: an unprecedented population boom and a historic drought. The combination of the two means that unless things change there may be real water shortages as soon as next year (exactly when is a matter of debate and may be impossible to accurately predict) which will adversely affect some 4 million people.

What are our options? Truthfully none. This situation has been building over the past quarter century thanks to the combined efforts of pro – business types that would not control the growth, pro – Atlanta types (black/liberal) that did not want to see economic development and the accompanying political power spread to the more conservative parts of the state, suburban types (conservative/racist) who were intent on competing with Atlanta, anti – state sorts that resist performing even the legitimate functions of government because they do not want to pay taxes for it, and pro – state sorts that only use what little revenue is collected on everything BUT what the government is actually supposed to be doing. Yep, all those plus the environmentalists, a huge force in Georgia politics despite it being a southern state, and yes Georgia’s Newt “A Contract With THE EARTH To Prevent Global Warming” Gingrich (more on him later, or then again maybe not) was once one of them and apparently is one of them again.

Even then, this current water shortage issue has a longer history. Dry conditions have been motivating government conservation measures of varying severity since at least 1998, annual rainfall has been below what could be considered normal for even longer, and it has reached the point where during the past several years we have been reduced to hoping for hurricanes and tropical storms to come to the state to provide relief (no such fortune from misfortune this year).

So what is the governor of our state, a conservative family values religious right small town (pro – rich and big business!) Southern Baptist Republican, doing to deal with this crisis? Among other measures, hold an hourlong prayer vigil on the steps of the state capitol to ask God for rain. ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2007/11/13/rainprayer_1114.html (I should note that I have not personally as yet felt moved by God to pray for rain and neither has anyone else in my family, but perhaps one should not make anything of that.) Which is fine.

But when one considers that Perdue invited ALL RELIGIONS to take part in the prayer vigil, that is NOT fine. ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2007/11/12/prayer_1113.html! He stated that the prayer was not to the One True God in the Name of Jesus Christ, but to “a higher power” that the Christians, Muslims, and Hindus apparently worship according to him. So we have to consider four things here.

1. The article mentions that when a Rockville, Maryland man participated in a prayer vigil and gospel concert at an Atlanta church for God to heal our Georgia drought, heavy rains came. To Rockville, Maryland. Then again, perhaps one should not make anything of that.

2. These Christian pastors that in this event joined in prayer with people of other religions that our Bible and traditional Christian doctrine teaches us are analogous to devil worship, what of they?

3. The religious right sorts that spent eight years zealously hunting for any hint of evidence that Bill Clinton was “betraying our Judeo – Christian heritage”, where were they? Probably the same places they have been while George W. Bush was doing the same thing. Or maybe they were attending a Mitt Romney campaign event, who knows.

4. Will Sonny Perdue’s church home, First Baptist Church of Woodstock, Georgia, take any action regarding his calling and presiding over a religious apostasy meeting? By the way, First Baptist Church of Woodstock stages very elaborate Christmas and Easter services; everyone that attends says that they are outstanding.

These are strange times indeed. Incidentally, there were two groups protesting during the meeting. One was a group of atheists, who suggested that legitimate believers in God 1. should pray in private or in church instead of making spectacles of themselves for public consumption and influence and 2. ought to be offended at Sonny Perdue’s publicity show. I cannot say that I disagree with the people. The second group, a party of one actually, was demanding that Sonny Perdue and all of the other Republicans that were elected on antiabortion platform do something to actually challenge the evil practice that has shed so much innocent blood in our state, disproportionately affecting minorities and the poor. The fellow, Robert D. Rothlisberger Jr., was charged with trespassing and released after having been arrested … while standing in front of a church.

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