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The Southern Baptist Convention’s Lifeway Bookstores Is Right: Gospel Today Magazine IS Promoting Women Pastors!

Posted by Job on September 19, 2008

Gospel Today magazine pulled from Christian bookstores’ shelves

Now do not go overboard in your praise of Lifeway, for they also carry the heresies of not only Rick Warren, but also oneness pentecostal prosperity doctrine word of faith T.D. Jakes. But in this matter, Lifeway is 100% correct. Gospel Today made their decision easy by telegraphing the fact that they are obviously promoting being conformed to the ways of this world rather than following scripture with this quote:

“It’s really kind of sad when you have people like [Gov.] Sarah Palin and [Sen.] Hillary Clinton providing encouragement and being role models for women around the world that we have such a divergent opinion about women who are able to be leaders in the church,” Hairston said. “I was pretty shocked.” 

Not only is this worldliness, but it is deception and dishonesty, flat out lying with the willful intent to confuse, mislead, and deceive Christians. Hairston well knows that the Bible only withholds from women positions of leadership over men, including pastorates, in the church and in the home. Outside of the church and home, a woman can hold any position that she wants: CEO, president, lawyer, doctor, you name it. And the Bible practices what it preaches, for Lydia of Thyatira of Acts was an entrepreneur/businesswoman who opened her house to the very New Testament writer whom the Holy Spirit inspired to restrict women from pastorates, apostle Paul. Lydia is credited with founding one of the apostolic churches in her home and therefore played a key role in bringing the gospel to a new area, but she was not a pastor. If these people are willing to throw away what the Bible says on women pastors to follow Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin today, what other confusion and disobedience will they cast aside the Bible in order to follow tomorrow? Hillary Clinton’s embrace of universalism and abortion? Or what about Sarah Palin’s refusal to denounce the sin of homosexuality, claiming that she has “diversity in her family”, thereby implying that being homosexual is no different from being Native American like her own husband and children? The same Palin who can proclaim that God’s will is being advanced by our invading Iraq and her seeking federal money to build an oil pipeline in her state says that she is unqualified to discern and judge what the Bible plainly says about homosexuality? And we are still looking for the snipers that were shooting at Hillary Clinton in Bosnia, aren’t we? And these are the people that Gospel Today wants you to cast aside your Bibles for and follow? It is becoming ever easier to determine in this day and age who is loving Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments (John 14:15)  and who isn’t. In many cases all that is required is to open your eyes.

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Abrahamic Faith Continues The Battle Against Rick Warren Purpose Driven Apostasy In Southern Baptist Convention

Posted by Job on November 19, 2007

*Please note: I have Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee tagged here because as a minister he achieved phenomenal growth in his church using the Rick Warren Purpose Driven formula, and it was on that basis that he became president of the Arkansas Southern Baptist Convention, and it was based largely on that Huckabee Hound took the Arkansas governorship. This missive illustrates why Christians SHOULD NOT want this Rick Warren disciple in the White House. The way that Mitt Romney supporters have been going after Huckabee lately (see here where an entire site whose entire purpose for existing I invalidate here calls Huckabee’s supporters stupid and accuses them of being responsible for the New Hampshire push poll) shows that Huckabee has a real shot of winning this thing. What will happen will happen, but biblical Christians should read this and understand that no matter what James Dobson, Chuck Norris, and other prominent evangelical Christian leaders ultimately wind up doing, we should not support Huckabee any more than we should support Romney.

From James Sundquist of Rock Salt Publishing:

SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION PRESIDENT RETALIATES AGAINST JAMES SUNDQUIST RE RICK WARREN

Here is my Warren update:

In light of Dr. Frank Page having just spoken at the Florida Baptist Convention this week, please be alerted to the following response to Dr. Frank Page. There is another side of the story which contradicts his own published statement and campaign theme.

I sent the following response to SBC President Frank Page’s retaliation against me and my original appeal to him to several hundred Southern Baptist Pastor and leaders in the U.S. Not one single pastor responded with even an iota of concern for the SOS calls and emails I received from all over the world from Purpose Driven victims. Not one single SBC pastor responded with any concerns about Rick Warren’s false teachings. However, a host of them asked to be removed from my mailing list and a few dozen actually retaliated too, but NONE could refute my facts, and only one tried to reason from Scripture by saying that I was sowing discord among the brethren which the Lord hates. But I am just the messenger. It is Rick Warren who has sown discord among the brethren by attacking them as resisters and removing them from church after church through his training…a true devourer of the Lord’s sheep! And of course, NONE of them repented!

My initial appeal and letter entitled:

Response to SBC President Frank S. Page’s “Better Together” & Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan vs. Scripture

which generated his response is now posted at: http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/search?q=Sundquist

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing

P.S. In the event that you may not believe my report, I invite you to contact Pastor Bob DeWaay, Twin City Fellowship in Minneapolis, who will corroborate my testimony regarding Rick Warren. He has also written a book on his teachings. You can reach him at:

Twin City Fellowship
2734 Rhode Island Ave. S.
St. Louis Park, MN
(Corner of W 28th St. & Rhode Island Ave. S.)
For further information, please call 952-935-3100.
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November 7, 2007

SUBJECT: JAMES SUNDQUIST RESPONSE TO FRANK PAGE, PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION & PASTOR OF TAYLORS BAPTIST CHURCH

I am in receipt of SBC President Frank Page’s your letter regarding my appeal to him, his staff and members of his congregation. Here is his letter:

Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:10 PM

Subject: RE: Second request re Florida Baptist Convention

Dear James,

I will preach the Gospel at the Fla meeting. I will not be attacking other believers. Please do not send any more of your material to my staff or to me.

In Christ,

Frank Page

I send all emails expecting that, as a matter of courtesy, the recipients would ask my permission before sharing them with others. I hope you will honor this request, and if you received this email in error, that you would let me know, deleting your copy of it.

Here is my response.

First of all I would like to compare this response to his own historical statement:

“Southern Baptist Convention president Frank Page said Tuesday the denomination needs to set aside internal differences and be both “right and relevant” to revive languishing membership trends. When we speak the truth without love, it leads to a cold-hearted legalism that our world has come to say is the caricature of […]” SOURCE: http://christianresearchnetwork.com/index.php?s=missional

So by his own definition, Dr. Frank Page’s response to me is “cold-hearted legalism”…in speaking what he believes to be true…[I am not conceding that Dr. Page is even telling the truth by implying that I am bearing false witness against him and Rick Warren because I am attacking a brother.] If this is love, I sure hope I am not around when he doesn’t speak the truth in love, assuming he even allows his members to hear the truth, since he bars them from hearing from me. Forbidding his staff from hearing the cries and SOS calls from SBC victims…this is love? Any reasonable person would construe “attacking” as implied slander NOT legitimate correction or rebuking a brother.

Now let us compare Dr. Frank Page’s response to me with these Scriptures:

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” II Timothy 2:24-26

I must also ask how Dr. Frank Pages’ response obeys these Scriptures:

“Show proper respect to everyone” I Peter 2:17

“When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate.” I Peter 2:23

“Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.” I Peter 3:15

and

“Brothers, do not slander one another” James 4:11

“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” Colossians 3:1

“Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling, and slander, along with every form of malice.”

“Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there remember est that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.” Matthew 5:23-24

I am desperate to know if there is ever any situation in which these people think that correcting, opposing, rebuking, rebuking sharply, reproving, warning, silencing voices which ruin whole households, entreating, bringing an accusation against an elder with two or more witnesses, taking a brother before the entire church, turning a brother over to Satan, calling for repentance, admonishing, warning, appealing, expelling, exposing those who shipwreck the faith of many, which are all verbs the Apostle Paul used, is NOT “attacking other believers” , but actually helping them and the church? Is there one person that this was done to in which they believed the action helped the person vs. destroying them as they allege? I am not slandering Rick Warren if I am telling the truth about him…comparing his own published words with Scripture. But for me to remain silent in face of his published teachings , I would be harming him as well as those he teaches to follow him. It is the Lord alone I must fear. Rick Warren is also harming himself by resisting correction and not amending his published teachings.

Now much of this assumes that Rick Warren is even a brother. No man can know whether or not he is with certainty. But we can and must treat him as though he were not a brother, based on Paul’s own commands to the church:

Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

1 Corinthians 5:11 “You must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother, but is sexually immoral, or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.”

and the Apostle John’s warning:

1JO 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1JO 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

1JO 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

1JO 4:4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

1JO 4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them.

Those verses right there should be all any pastor needs to know to discern that the Purpose Driven movement is not from God.

Dr. Frank Page has asked that I refrain from further writing him or any of the staff of Taylors First Baptist Church. I will honor the request to not directly write him, for I have fulfilled my biblical obligation to appeal and to warn him twice. But I will can not comply with his request to cease from writing the staff members listed on Taylors First Baptist Church or the members of his congregation. I will also continue to alert the Southern Baptist Church at large and the various discernment ministries and Christian radio programs throughout the world, unless they specifically asked to be removed from my mailings. It is obvious from his letter that he is trying to intimidate me, which is quite common among Purpose Driven Pastors. Unless Dr. Frank Page prohibited them for speaking for themselves, I will let them speak for themselves, if this is their request…they have but to email me with a request to be removed from my mailing list, and I will happily comply. This will also serve to verify their solidarity with him, if this be the case. Let their yeas be yea and their nays nay. Dr. Page may have the power to stop his congregation from engaging in reciprocal dialog, but he does not have the biblical mandate to prevent this. It should be obvious to everyone what Pastor President Frank Page does not want [members of his own congregation] to hear. Do members of Taylors First Baptist Church want their pastor telling them with whom they can and can’t correspond? One can’t help but wonder why Dr. Frank Page doesn’t attempt censor my communications with pastors, staff, and members of the entire Southern Baptist Convention. If he is so against “attacking other believers” why does he continue to promote Rick Warren who attacks other Christians by calling Fundamentalist Christians “enemies of the 21st Century”? Rick Warren more than attacks other believers…he removes them if they oppose or resist is global agenda and bars them from membership if they refuse to sign his many covenants. And if Dr. Page believes in this so strongly, why does he use incendiary language such as “attack a believer” in retaliating against me vs. respond and answering my questions? How about Dr. Frank Page saying something like:

“Wow, this is very serious, thank you for bringing it to my attention! I will make every effort to let their voices be heard instead of silencing them, for I know that even in the secular world, victims of a crime are allowed to make a victim’s statement in a courtroom. I will be sure that some of them are allowed to speak and invite them myself to the platform if I have to! I can’t very well make an announcement to SBC brothers and sisters that we are “better together”, then fail to follow through with the offer, rendering it a sham and bringing further humiliation on victims of our campaign to enforce compliance with Purpose Driven teachings and covenants. What a hypocrite I would be if I were to now treat them as illegal aliens in the Body of Christ. But I should have no trouble doing this act of contrition and restitution because I am President of the entire Southern Baptist Convention, and I certainly have the moral authority to do so! And it is imperative that I extend this olive branch!”

Did the Apostle Paul “attack” Peter, because he was clearly in the wrong, or was he doing what he the Bible teaches and that is expose false teachings and marking them if they don’t repent? Paul was sharply rebuking and doing so publicly, as I am do so with him, as this is public matter.

Dr. Page’s response is no surprise…totally unrepentant and zero compassion for PDC victims and absolutely now indication whatsoever that he would even entertain or give any audience to Christians who are simply trying to be good Bereans.. Therefore, I will not honor his request regarding sharing his email with others (unless this were a private matter which I would of course respect confidentiality and disclaimers). This is a matter of public teaching requiring public rebuke.

Dr. Page could have used a little more grace, even if Dr. Page disagrees and wishes to defend Rick Warren’s teachings. And even if I oppose him, Paul has specific instructions and procedures on how to deal with even opposition which does not even remotely resemble his response to me. For Dr. Page to react like emotional nitroglycerin does not remind me of the fruit of the spirit of self-control. His response would hardly constitute anything resembling “come, let us reason” as the Apostle Paul tells us. It is perfectly responsible for Christians to engage in an honest dialog about the dangers of PDL. Is Dr. Page suggesting Christians can’t send an unsolicited email to another Christian, or even a church that claims its teachings are Christian which they have already publicly posted on their own church website? If this is true. Martin Luther had no business posting his “unsolicited” 95 Theses on the Wittenberg Door. Paul spent most of his ministry preaching to “unsolicited” and even hostile audiences. Besides this, the leaders of Dr. Page’s church post various groups have virtually placed a banner on their site advertising themselves, with name and email addresses. So this tells me that they are willing to receive inquiries and commentary regarding Rick Warren. Is Dr. Page telling me that they are only interested in receiving emails that toe the party line and are in complete agreement with the teachings they promote? If this is his position, he should put that disclaimer by every email address, because someone else at some point is bound to also send an email letter of concern to them….only to get blasted or have their email ignored. And it is not as though Dr. Frank Page has not already been confronted. Other Christian brothers and Pastor Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries has confronted him too, beginning in 2006, but still he refuses correction:

http://hottubreligion.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/apprising-ministriesken-silva/

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/letter_to_south.html

He has also now despised even reaching out to the victims of Purpose Driven Teachings. What a great opportunity lost to reconcile with these saints that Rick Warren’s training has purpose-driven out of churches all over the world at the Florida Baptist Convention and other SBC venues where he speaks. Though he has given lip service and a form of godliness in publicly stating that Southern Baptists are “Better Together,” his defiance speaks in his email speaks volumes. For those of you attending the Florida Baptist Convention, why don’t one of you call his hand and stand up and ask him to give disposed SBC members the mike and platform? What kind of Christian witness is it prevent the Southern Baptist attendees to hear the other side of the story? Dr. Page even acknowledges that there are factions of SBC out there who will not even talk to each other. Then Dr. Page sets a fine example by becoming one of these very people by refusing to talk to me. I too have witnessed first hand the divisions in the church when I spoke at the East Coast Prophecy Conference a in 2004. Since then the emails continue to roll in from PDC victims all over the world. I personally spoke with God-fearing members from churches all over the country come up to me in despair at the same kind of response by Dr. Frank Page issued to me, that they were getting at Rick Warren’s PDL churches for questioning his teachings and the churches implementing his programs, only to be vilified and marked as trouble makers, and in many cases ousted from their congregations. And these very same SOS calls are flooding into many other ministries too such as Southwest Radio, Pastor Bob DeWaay, Moriel Ministries, and Contending Earnestly for The Faith in Australia and many others I mentioned in my recent letter to Dr. Page. But I had thought better of Dr. Frank Page, particularly after his recent “Better Together” statements. But I was wrong.

Does Ephesians say “expose the deeds of darkness” unless the perpetrator wrote a disclaimer on his plans or sent it to someone confidentially and did not give permission?

Therefore, I will not honor his request regarding his staff. What is he trying to hide from them? Wouldn’t his staff want to know? Shouldn’t his staff, deacons and members know…unless they are also accomplices? Let them make such a request…unless pastor is master and thought control censors any ability on their part to answer for themselves. If these staff members post their email address and are prevented by him from responding unless it promotes the party line, then they should say so and make it clear on the website. Dr. Page may have already told his staff not to respond to me, but there were no carbon copies and I have no way of knowing if there were any blind carbon copies he may have sent them or simply told them privately. In any case, if I were on staff or a member of Taylors First Baptist Church, I would certainly want to know who the pastor is interfering with to allow correspondence from another believer who is inquiring at their own published website. I would certainly want to know who a pastor told me I could not communicate with if I were a member of his church. Are the members of Taylors First Baptist Church Pastor Frank Page’s own private supply of royal jelly? Does he own their free will? Is he claiming to speak for them? Is he now their conscience? More frightening is the implication that he is acting as the Holy Spirit for his members, thereby usurping the Office of the Holy Spirit. Is this his church? His staff? Or Jesus Christ’s church? The Apostle Paul even welcomed the opposition to debate, as did Apollos. But Dr. Page’s idea of “Better Together” is to by all means silence the opposition and answer NONE of the legitimate concerns or appeals presented to him and make no space for them at SBC conventions and events. Give them no audience, as is most clearly about to transpire at the Florida Baptist Convention. If he is accusing me of bearing false witness against him or Rick Warren, then he must prove it. He has not done so, but, as usual with most PDC pastors, he simply retaliates and censors me. If my accusations are false, I appeal to his congregation members to confront him to document where and give specifics…unless he doesn’t believe the Apostle Paul, who said you must have them if you are going to make charges.

I always hope all things…that if he or any Christian states they want to reconcile (“better together”), then I want to give them every opportunity to follow through. In this case, Dr. Page has only verified and confirmed our suspicions and accusations. His philosophy collides with the Apostle Paul’s’ own instructions and model of behavior regarding confronting brothers in Christ and exposing false brethren.

I am biblically commanded to only warn him twice…that is unless he repents, particularly since he professes to be a teacher [pastor] of God’s Word, according his own church website. Was the Apostle Paul “attacking a believer” when he confronted Peter, Alexander the Blacksmith, Hymenaus and Philetus, and the Pharisees in Galatians? Was the Jude “attacking a believer”? Was the Apostle John “attacking a believer” in confronting Diotrephes, who was doing exactly what Rick Warren is doing? My defense and accusations are based on objective criteria of Scripture. His defense is based on his own subjective ad homimim attack on me personally. What kind of criteria is that? He is convicted by his own testimony and by what he is promoting at his own church. The Apostle Paul always preached repentance and Christ crucified in synagogues, always proselytizing…diametrically opposed to what Rick Warren did when he spoke at Synagogue 3000 and even declared to them that he was not trying to convert them. He is just trying to help the grow bigger and better synagogues…i.e. grow the false religion of Judaism. And once again what did Paul do regarding Judaizers, he condemned them in Galatians, the opposite of what Rick Warren has done. And this does not make him a false teacher that the President of the Southern Baptist Convention should not expose? You don’t think the Apostle Paul would have sharply rebuked Rick Warren for this kind of public teaching? He could not have remained silent in good conscience, but Dr. Page says nothing because that would be “attacking a believer”. And if that weren’t enough, Rick Warren is doing the same with Mormons and Roman Catholics.

Dr. Page remains silent about Rick Warren while Rick Warren votes for the New Ager August Turak who won the Power of Purpose Award because to speak out would be “attacking a believer”…Rick Warren has reinvited New Age sympathizer Ken Blanchard to preach at his church whom I exposed in my second book on Rick Warren and Mr. Frank Page remains silent so as to not be “attacking a believer”. Rick Warren purpose-drives them out of the church and trains 400,000 pastors globally how to do it, and this without cause or the due process of church discipline outlined in Scripture in which these brothers and sisters must be found guilty of heresy first, while Dr. Frank Page remains silent because that would be “attacking a believer”. But those who oppose Warren, however, do have just cause to remove him from the church. And as the Apostle Paul would say, “I am now therefore the enemy because I tell you the truth?” And what do you think Peter would think of all of the believers gathered a Pentecost singing a song like Jimmi Hendrix’ Purple Haze, as Rick Warren led the multitudes in the stadium where he launched his Global Peace Plan? While Frank Page remains silent because that would be “attacking a believer”. Dr. Page, may remain silent, but you don’t have to.

In order for the SBC Florida Conference theme to be considered anything other than a sham, Willie Rice and Dr. Frank Page, President of the Florida Baptist Convention must invite SBC victims such as Mrs. Betty Erwin or Charles Jones of Iuka Baptist Church. They need to also invite an author of an opposing view to Rick Warren’s teachings, as a speaker, which to my knowledge has never happened at any SBC church in the country. I hope you will not be fooled by these apostate leaders, masquerading as servants of righteousness.

Therefore, I remind Dr. Frank Page, SBC President, Pastor Willie Rice, Pastor Mac Brunson, and Rick Warren, and will warn others about these men according to these Scriptures:

“Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there remember est that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.” Matthew 5:23-24

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

“For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” Revelation 22:15

So SBC President and Pastor Frank Page can remain silent and do what he must do. But I will not be silenced, I will do what I must do. I hope and pray that you will not be afraid of these men, but rather fear the Lord, and not be silenced either, but will hold him accountable!

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist Rock Salt Publishing http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/False-Teachers.html

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