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Assemblies Of God Leader George Wood Calls Sarah Palin A True Judeo-Christian Candidate!

Posted by Job on October 14, 2008

The second example today alone of religious right false doctrines and apostasy that has happened ever since John McCain’s nomination of Sarah Palin, which I actually thought was an astute move at the time, turned into a slow moving fiasco. First off, the frenzy over Palin shows that the religious right, especially Pentecostals, are just as much on the GOP plantation, unable to act according to their own beliefs or interests, as blacks are on the Democratic one. Why? Well … REMEMBER HARRIET MIERS? This Pentecostal woman was actually much more qualified to be on the Supreme Court than Sarah Palin is to be president. (By the way, she was also more qualified than was Sandra Day O’Connor, who by virtue of her votes on abortion and homosexuality was nothing short of a disaster for the religious right. Her best move was lying to Anthony Kennedy in securing his support for voting against broad abortion restrictions in return for her promise to vote against more narrow restrictions later, and when it came time for her to live up to her part of the deal by voting along with Kennedy for the more narrow restrictions, O’Connor reneged. But hey, since Ronald Reagan nominated O’Connor, she is above criticism because criticizing her would be criticizing the guy who used his first major decision as president on nominating her.)

What happened when Bush nominated her? She was subjected to the most revolting opposition by supporters of the party that nominated her ever, and it even rose to the level of character assassination. Did the Protestant evangelicals like Al Mohler or even charismatics like George Wood and J. Lee Grady rise up to defend Miers? Of course not. Only Pat Robertson did, and even there in the mildest fashion possible. Not only were Miers’ qualifications but also her intelligence and character were shredded by the very same people who … oh never mind. So Miers was pushed aside and replaced with a Roman Catholic, and not only that the third Roman Catholic Supreme Court appointee by a GOP president in a row, and the fourth out of five.

But when John McCain made being a less than eminently qualified Pentecostal (or for that matter evangelical, for please recall how vehement the conservative opposition to Mike Huckabee was!) acceptable, then all was forgiven and the same Pentecostals and evangelicals that sat silently by reacted just the same as they did when Bill Clinton would emulate the Arkansas segregationist Democrats who trained him (NOTHING!) immediately forgot that the same set of arguments which disqualified Miers and Huckabee should have applied to Palin, and promptly began to make Palin not only their political standard bearer BUT THEIR RELIGIOUS ONE AS WELL. Seriously, religious conservatives are attaching a larger religious symbolism to Palin than they did to Reagan or George W. Bush. That is why I still think that McCain may yet pull it out. All of those “Obama is the anti – Christ” people need to consider that McCain is the guy with the wound in his head that was healed, and that would make Palin his false prophet enabler with Jezebel doctrines. I can see the comments echoing from pulpits across America and in all the Christian magazines and websites that Palin would be the strong Christian women who miraculously resurrected the John McCain campaign from the dead! 

Now to the link with the absurd, doctrinally erroneous, even heretical statements.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/13/pentecostal-church-leader-palin-true-judeo-christian-candidate/

Opposing Views: What Pentecostal values will Sarah Palin bring to the vice presidency that America needs right now?

 George O. Wood: To my knowledge Sarah Palin has not stated she is Pentecostal. I know she has attended the Assemblies of God Church. We all want a candidate who shares our values, and a candidate like Sarah Palin who appears to have such strong Judeo-Christian beliefs is certainly someone our society needs. A candidate who is sincere in their following of Jesus Christ and is sincere in their Judeo-Christian beliefs is one we would support.


OV: Do you believe that Sarah Palin is a sincere Judeo-Christian candidate?

 Wood: Her own words indicate that she is sincere in her following of Jesus Christ and she has certainly represented those values. Obviously she is very strong in her support for the unborn, and the Assemblies of God has a very strong commitment to the unborn, and other issues that Sarah Palin has indicated she sincerely follows the teachings of Jesus Christ.

People, Judeo – Christian values do no exist. First, Judaism and Christianity are two totally separate religions. The very idea of Judeo – Christianity should be just as abhorrent as is Islamo – Christianity or Hindu – Christianity or atheist – Christianity. Judeo – Christianity should be something advanced by liberal religious pluralists and universalists, not people who claim to believe that Jesus Christ is the way and the life and the only way to the Father and eternal life. This shows how dual covenant dispensationalism (and Vatican II Roman Catholic pluralism) has come to dominate the “Protestant” religious right. With all due respect to some of the online discernment ministries, the biggest threat to undo the Protestant Reformation is not emergents like Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, and Rick Warren but rather the religious right, and if anything the former is feeding off the latter, especially when you saw the spate of columns from the conservative media wishing that debate moderators Jim Lehrer, Gwen Ifill, and Tom Brokaw would make McCain look as good as Rick Warren did.

Second of all, Christianity is not a value system. It is a personal relationship with the resurrected Jesus Christ as He was revealed to creation in His incarnation and through scripture, is now sitting on the right hand of God interceding for His elect, and will be revealed to creation again at His imminent return. It is very possible to hold onto a value system without believing in the Lordship of Jesus Christ. It is equally possible to reject any and all western value systems while believing in the Lordship of Jesus Christ. The best evidence of the latter is that Christianity is not even a western religion to begin with. It is a near eastern religion, and the Bible reflects near eastern culture and values. As a matter of fact, some of the worst doctrines have come from trying to impose western ideas on a near eastern book (see the work of the Alexandrian allegorists, Thomas Aquinas and scholasticism, and the Neo – Platonic syncretists) and from using western inventions like JAMES DOBSON FULLER THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY FOCUS ON THE FAMILY PSYCHOLOGY as a convenient construct to paint a happy modern face on the Bible’s dark primitive revelation on man’s total depravity.

That, after all, is what the religious right is: a reinvention of the religious left. The original religious left denied the total depravity of man, stated that man was basically good (conveniently ignoring or reinterpreting inconvenient Bible passages that stated otherwise) and could be transformed through culture and education. What was the birthplace of this thinking? Why GERMANY of course. Who manipulated these doctrines and the environment created by it into thinking that he was helping transform mankind for the better by promoting German culture? Why Adolph Hitler, of course!

You see, these people have never heard of Sarah Palin before now. She was never a member of their church. They have never been to her house at prayer meetings. They have never encountered her at a Beth Moore Christian women’s weekend retreat. They don’t even know whether the string of wild rumors about the Palin family’s behavior, virtually all of them circulating all over Alaska long before McCain thrust them into the national spotlight, made them tabloid fodder. 

Their only evidence that this woman is a Christian is her church membership and her claims to believe. Well, excuse me, but that is different from secret society “all religions worship the same God” the first president to pray in a Muslim mosque George W. Bush how? Even better: this is better than Southern Baptists Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Britney and Jamie Lynn Spears, Jessica and Ashlee Simpson how? Methodist Hillary Clinton or Congregationalist Barack HUSSEIN Obama how? You could talk to any of them, and they would all claim to agree with 80% of the Christian creeds, just as much as do neo – evangelicals whose works are cited in many of our evangelical seminaries.

So no, I take that back. Their evidence that Palin is born again is not her church affiliation or her confessions of faith. Again, many a liberal Democrat leader – and voter – shares those. No, their evidence is politics and culture. If you have the right beliefs and lifestyle, then it means that you are sanctified and justified! It isn’t about the Lordship of Jesus Christ, it is about preferring moose hunting to off Broadway plays. 

Then again, why should we expect any different from a fellow that says “A candidate who is sincere in their following of Jesus Christ and is sincere in their Judeo-Christian beliefs is one we would support.” Does the leader of the Assemblies of God denomination even know that this is a contradiction? Jesus Christ is not of this world. Judeo – Christianity is a VERY RECENT (some say that the term and concept did not exist before the Holocaust and particularly before the establishment of Israel) worldly invention to describe an ill – defined social, cultural, and political movement.

Incidentally, it is based on a lie, the idea that Jewish religion and culture significantly shaped western civilization. Not only is this idea false, but it is one that the westerners of times past that used to force Jews to live in ghettoes would have had an issue with. Case in point: our legal code is not based on the Bible, but rather British common law. Further, British common law only reflected three of the Ten Commandments – killing, stealing, and perjury – and this was so before Britain even converted to Christianity! So, if western civilization was founded on Judeo – Christianity, then so was Babylon by virue of their Code of Hammurabi. And even that is presuming that anything worldly like Judeo – Christianity can save people rather than damn them, which it cannot. 

This is why the Bible calls it “devil’s doctrines.” And if the leader of the 3 million Assemblies of God denomination is trafficking them, then that is really disappointing. It honestly is disconcerting that so many Christians reject not only the Bible and theology, but also history and culture. I am speaking of myself, incidentally, for I was a “Judeo – Christian religious right” zombie until very late in 2006. But hey, at least I can say that I was misled. (Now according to Romans 1:18-32, being misled does not make us blameless incidentally. We are all still without excuse for rejecting the the truth and righteousness of God.)

But if I am able to discover these lies merely by reading a few of the history and theology books that are commonly used in our evangelical seminaries and Bible colleges, then what explanation is there for the many pastors and other religious right leaders that have gone through these seminaries? Did they fall asleep in class that day? Were they preoccupied with personal difficulties that prevented them from reading the relevant sections in their textbooks? And did this happen to all of them? Did every single leader of the religious right and every single evangelical pastor that traffics this “Judeo – Christian values” nonsense somehow possess the very same omissions from their theological, doctrinal, and historical studies? Now if you can believe that, then you can believe that Barack Hussein Obama was asleep, inattentive, or absent every Sunday that Jeremiah Wright said something controversial.

Yes, we are supposed to believe that Jeremiah Wright’s church is apostate and get so angry at its existence because it is Marxist. Since they are Marxist, they have the wrong values, and that is what makes them apostate. Note that virtually none of the “Judeo – Christian” people who thundered against the apostasy of Obama’s church over its rejection of western culture will ever in a million years say the same against Mormons, Roman Catholics, or Jews. Because with these people, it is not rejecting the Bible that makes you a sinner, it is rejecting your values. Therefore, a person is saved by embracing these values. 

Again, how can these people have gone to Christian schools, pastored churches, and studied the Bible all these years without knowing this, and further while refusing to stand against this error? Simple: they haven’t. Which, again, makes them no different from or better than either Jeremiah Wright or Barack Hussein Obama. And that is what makes their vigorous endorsements of Sarah Palin all the more suspect.

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Sarah Palin Tries To Use Her Own Seven Year Old Child Piper As A Political Shield AND IT FAILS!

Posted by Job on October 13, 2008

This is the example of a strong bold principled Christian woman that has the support of not only frauds like James Dobson but more serious people like Al Mohler? It is amazing that conservatives not known for being overtly religious like Charles Krauthammer and Kathleen Parker have recanted their support of Palin while Christian leaders and opinion makers are still backing her.

Palin Drops Puck at Flyer’s Game Receives Mixed Reaction

“The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!”” Classic. I wonder if J. Lee Grady still thinks that Palin is a prophetess like Deborah. Oh, great, and she is pro – life, right? So am I, as is every legitimate Christian. But are we seeing here that being pro – life does not necessarily a legitimate Christian make? (Plenty of, er, Muslims are pro – life by the way.) But goodness, apparently being pro – life means having them to exploit them for your own personal ambition?

Incidentally, this Fox News report in claiming that her play might have worked … well their take is controversial. From a comment on their own site: ”

…if you’re going to tell a report a story, report in its entirety and be accurate. Let the readers also know, she was “BOOED,” at this game. Pretell. what the h____ has happened to “fair and balanced reporting? Get the video and allow your readers to hear it!!!!!!

I’m ever so grateful for my parents raising me right!”

But hey, that is Fox News, owned by the world’s biggest pornographer Rupert Murdoch, who calls New Age syncretist Rick Warren his pastor. We should expect them to act like that. For a woman that so many Christians, including serious ones not affiliated with the religious right, are seriously desiring for her to serve as some sort of Christian leader or role model in the secular sphere, we are to expect more. You would think that we would have learned this already from having been burned so many times by George W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, and so many others who used evangelical votes to gain power for themselves and their masters.

Now whether Palin is another George W. Bush – a liar and deceiver from the start – or is merely someone a bit eccentric and confused and is probably being used by McCain and others, I am not in position to say.

Maybe I am being easy on her because she is a woman. (Or maybe it is because I can personally relate to a person who made one of the biggest gaffes of the campaign while going out to get cheesesteaks. Unless it was staged to contribute to an eventual Obama victory, that incident was probably the best example of how completely unready for the national stage Ms. Palin is. But hey, if I was in Philadelphia, I would have gone out for one of their favorite cheesesteaks too. Getting a cheesesteak versus being John McCain’s vice president: NO CONTEST!) But I will definitely say based on her behavior that Christians should stop viewing her or passing her off as “our Christian warrior representative” and start supporting and advocating (or opposing and rejecting) her based on her views and qualifications. Which, if anyone can let me know anything that she actually DID as city councilwoman, mayor, oil and gas commissioner, and governor aren’t quite that bad.

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Has Anyone Paid Any Attention To The Huge Sums Of Money Barack HUSSEIN Obama Has At His Disposal?

Posted by Job on October 11, 2008

I do not know what is more incredible: Barack Obama’s obscene amount of cash, or how the media absolutely refuses to talk about it. Let me put this in a bit of perspective. I remember back in 1996, the media observers were convinced that Phil Gramm was going to be a major factor in the GOP primary and perhaps even win the nomination because he had raised $16 million dollars. Fast forward to 2004, and when George W. Bush used “bundling” and “pioneers” to raise about $200 million, it was a huge story, and people on both sides pointed out how it meant that the system was in need of reform. Well now, at last check, Barack Obama had raised $458 million dollars and counting! In a bad economy!

There is more. First, there are allegations that Obama has not reported all of his donations, or that he has a habit of making the donations appear much smaller than they actually are. In other words, $458 million is all that he has reported. There are a lot of reasons to believe that the true figure is much higher.

Second, and this is something that not even the Republican and conservative media that is ALLEGEDLY so against Obama is talking much about: there is also much reason to believe that a good bit of Obama’s money is coming from overseas. The result: Obama is able to have a 3 to 1 television advantage over McCain in battleground states, be on the air in more states period than McCain, have an almost unspeakable advantage in funding get out the vote activities, and to buy a 30 minute commercial on network television to air 6 days before the election.

Again, I have real doubts that the $458 million figure is accurate. Why? Because Hillary Clinton spent $150 million and was broke by Super Tuesday way back in early February. And this was with Clinton focusing primarily on television and ignoring the get out the vote efforts that Obama has dwarfed any previous records by several magnitudes. So how on earth could the $300 million difference have paid for Obama’s activities since Super Tuesday (by which time he had spent at least $100 million himself) until now and still leave him with the $100 million that it is going to take to air his 30 minute commercial? That is why I believe that the $458 million has to be more like $700 million. 

So the question is: where is all this money coming from? The media is plying the Obama campaign line that it is grandmothers charging up their credit cards with $10 contributions such as listed in that first story above, but come on. Is it wealthy individuals overseas? Is it foreign governments even? Like, maybe, Raila Odinga’s regime, Barack Obama’s Kenyan cousin? Or some even more troubling financial channels?

That was precisely the type of thing that I was hoping that Jerome Corsi would dig up. But it being almost a week since the fellow was expelled from Kenya with no real news since then, I wonder if this story will remain a mystery.

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Kenya to deport Obama critic Swift Boat Veteran Jerome Corsi

Posted by Job on October 7, 2008

At first I thought (hoped) that Corsi was in Kenya doing some investigating into Obama’s background, a task that the media refuses to take upon itself. (For instance, is Barack Obama’s real name Barry Sotero? And was Barack Obama’s father Kenyan, did his family migrate to Kenya from Arabia as some claim?) Regrettably, it just looks like he was seeking publicity for himself to sell his book. What a shame. It appears that Corsi is no different from the rest.

Kenya to deport Obama critic Corsi- (UPDATED)

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Kenya PM And Obama Relative Raila Odinga: Financial Crisis Threatens Africa

Posted by Job on October 7, 2008

Is this fellow going to start beating the drum for globalism? Would he and Obama play a huge role in getting Muslims to regard it as a good idea?

Raila sees US financial crisis affecting Africa

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Richard Holbrooke Would Lead Obama Administration Into War With Iran Just Like McCain!

Posted by Job on September 29, 2008

Iran: And the Beat Goes On The beating of war drums, that is

 

In a last-ditch, all-out effort to pave the way for war with Iran,Israel’s lobby in the U.S. has inaugurated a new front group: United Against Nuclear Iran (UANI). What, “another” neocon front group – why is this important? With Richard Holbrooke, Obama’s most prominent foreign policy advisor – and a likely Secretary of State or National Security Advisor in the Obama administration – joining neocon nutcase James R. Woolsey in the top leadership of this new group, the signal is clear: UANI represents a bipartisan call for war.

In an op ed piece for what else but the War Street Journal, the four horsemen of the apocalypse – Holbrooke, Woolsey, Dennis Ross, the Israel Lobby’s ace-in-the-hole in the Obama camp (please note: Ross is a former George H. W. Bush official who also served in the same capacity under Bill Clinton and trained Condi Rice), and Mark D. Wallace, formerly U.S. representative to the U.N. for management and reform – mirror the joint statement of Obama and McCain on the economic crisis. This is “not a partisan matter” – the War Party is the only party that really matters. “We may have different political allegiances and worldviews, ” they aver,

“Yet we share a common concern – Iran’s drive to be a nuclear state. We believe that Iran’s desire for nuclear weapons is one of the most urgent issues facing America today, because even the most conservative estimates tell us that they could have nuclear weapons soon.

“A nuclear-armed Iran would likely destabilize an already dangerous region that includes Israel, Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, India and Pakistan, and pose a direct threat to America’s national security,” etc., etc., etc…

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the list of threatened countries starts with Israel and ends with the United States, but I wonder…

Leaving the realm of speculation, and entering the region of hard facts: our own National Intelligence Estimate on Iran and its alleged nuclear weapons program shows that the Iranians had a weapons program that they abandoned: “We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” While keeping the option open, the Iranian regime has not restarted its nuclear program, according to our spooks, and probably could not iron out all the technical problems and hoarding of nuclear materials until at least 2015 – and even then there is no evidence Tehran has any such intention.

The NIE was issued last year around this time, and afterward Robert Gates spoke to the New York Times Magazine:

“One afternoon in late November, Defense Secretary Robert Gates was flying back to Washington from the Army base at Fort Hood, Tex., where he had spoken with soldiers and spouses about the future of Iraq. Sitting across from him at his desk in the back of the Pentagon’s jet, I asked him about the possibility of another military conflict: U.S. air strikes on Iran. ‘The last thing the Middle East needs now is another war,’ he said quietly. ‘We have to keep all options on the table,’ he went on, reciting the standard caveat. ‘But if Iraq has shown us anything, it’s the unpredictability of war. Once a conflict starts, the statesmen lose control.'”

This was supposed to signal that the much-anticipated U.S. strike on Iran – the imminence of which was predicted with near certainty by a number of commentators, including this one – has been successfully aborted. There was a collective and well-nigh audible sigh of relief, from Tehran to Terre Haute, but some of us were not convinced by this display of official caution. After all, the statesmen have lost control before….

If the NIE was supposed to blast the neocon war campaign out of the water, then its authors did not take into account the persistence – indeed, fanaticism – of the United for War With Iran crowd. The sheer relentlessness of the effort suggests its essential character as a lobbying campaign on behalf of a special interest – in this case, a very special interest. Corporate and professional lobbyists are notably impervious to facts, and tend to cherry-pick according to the interests of their clients, and foreign lobbyists certainly fall into this category. Yet the latter have a certain edge to them, lacking in the others – and Israel’s lobby has the sharpest edge of all.

No one even pretends anymore that the Israel lobby isn’t behind the effort to drag us into another Middle Eastern war. You don’t have to be me, or Mearsheimer and Walt, to make this case: you have only to listen to the public pronouncements of Israel’s leaders, who areopenly demanding that either we strike, or else they will – perhaps, as has been suggested by Benny Morris, with nuclear weapons.

In the U.S., AIPAC, the scandal-rocked central command of Israel’s amen corner, has come out of the shadows, where they remainedduring the run-up to the Iraq war, and taken the lead in calling for harsh sanctions and a military blockade of Iranian ports. Now we have this bipartisan ad hoc committee taking out full page newspaper ads and speaking in the implied names of both major party presidential candidates.

I had to laugh when I read, in the Journal op ed piece, that “Tehran’s development of a nuclear bomb could serve as the ‘starter’s gun’ in a new and potentially deadly arms race in the most volatile region of the world. Many believe that Iran’s neighbors would feel forced to pursue the bomb if it goes nuclear.” Methinks the starter gun went off long off – sometime in the early 1960s, Israel having earlier procured the technology to make the Bomb from the French.

“Iran,” say the four horsemen, “is a deadly and irresponsible world actor, employing terrorist organizations including Hezbollah and Hamas to undermine existing regimes and to foment conflict. Emboldened by the bomb, Iran will become more inclined to sponsor terror, threaten our allies, and support the most deadly elements of the Iraqi insurgency.” One has only to insert “Israel” where Iran sits in those sentences, and the pot-kettle-black aspect of this whole issue is underscored, as is the ridiculous double standard. After all, Israel has surely been emboldened by its possession of nukes, lo these many years, and acted in a manner that could reasonably called irresponsible – and even deadly, now that you mention it. Yet Israel is not only given a pass, but the defining factor of the Middle Eastern strategic environment – Israel’s nuclear arsenal – goes unmentioned by these worthies.

They are full of laughable pronouncements imbued with the solemnity that usually accompanies the argument from authority:

“The world rightfully doubts Tehran’s assertion that it needs nuclear energy and is enriching nuclear materials for strictly peaceful purposes. Iran has vast supplies of inexpensive oil and natural gas, and its construction of nuclear reactors and attempts to perfect the nuclear fuel cycle are exceedingly costly. There is no legitimate economic reason for Iran to pursue nuclear energy.”

Aside from the propriety of assuming to speak for “the world,” one has to ask where the war propagandists have been hiding out lately: haven’t they read about those gas lines in Iran? Sanctions and official corruption have contributed to the country’s shortage, while rationing ensured it would continue. Indeed, the more tireless Iran-ophobes were at one point speculating that the resulting riots might well spell the end for the mullahs.

And I’m surprised they raised the following accusation, considering the context in which it is hurled:

“By continuing to act in open defiance of its treaty obligations under the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, Iran rejects the inspections mandated by the IAEA and flouts multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions and sanctions.”

Iran is fully within its rights, under the terms of the treaty, to develop a nuclear energy program, which is what they say they are doing – and, as those gas lines attest, they have a real need for it. At any rate, at least Iran has signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, unlike a certain country whose interests seem to be at the heart of the signers’ argument:

At the same time, Iranian leaders declare that Israel is illegitimate and should not exist. President Ahmadinejad specifically calls for Israel to be ‘wiped off from the map,’ while seeking the weapons to do so. Such behavior casts Iran as an international outlier. No one can reasonably suggest that a nuclear-armed Iran will suddenly honor international treaty obligations, acknowledge Israel’s right to exist, or cease efforts to undermine the Arab-Israeli peace process.”

That old canard about wiping Israel off the map has been debunked so many times as a mis-translation of what Ahmadinejad really said – which was something more akin to predicting that Israel would be washed away by the tides of history and demography – yet it keeps bouncing right back. Just like all the other lies spread far and wide by the War Party’s propagandists. Remember that one aboutMohammed Atta meeting a top Iraqi intelligence official at the Prague airport? That one didn’t die until well after the invasion. I wonder how many people still believe Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks? A lie, repeated relentlessly, becomes enmeshed in the public consciousness, and rooting it out is a major operation, with a problematic success rate.

That’s what we do, here at Antiwar.com – root out the lies, and set the record straight. We did it in the run-up to the last war, and we’redoing the same thing when it comes to the Iranian issue. The chances that we’ll succeed, this time, in stopping the rush to war are better now, perhaps, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. The forces pushing for war, led by the Israel lobby, are marshalling their supporters for a final push. Even if they don’t pull it off before the election, the Holbrooke-Woolsey Pact will go down in history as the turning point, politically, the crucial juncture when the American elite made the decision to go to war because the Lobby demanded it.

Our political elites speak in unison: accept the bailout, pay trillions to the plutocrats – accept the coming war with Iran – and pay with the lives of your children. Our leaders, their system in crisis, have closed ranks around the slogan of Big Government at home, and progressively bigger wars abroad. If it were one crisis, or the other, Americans might remain impassive. In this case, however, with the economy imploding and the threat of war looming simultaneously, the Washington crowd that thought it could ride out the turbulence is finding it’s a bit more of a bumpy ride than they or anyone else imagined. The people are awakening, but there is a danger in this: without leaders of their own, their rebellion is bound to be inchoate, undirected, and perhaps even violent. As Garet Garrett put it, anticipating this moment some sixty odd years ago:

“No doubt the people know they can have their Republic back if they want it enough to fight for it and to pay the price. The only point is that no leader has yet appeared with the courage to make them choose.”

~ Justin Raimondo

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Kim Clement Prophesies That Barack Obama Will Win. Elijah’s List Prophesies That Sarah Palin’s Win. Who Is Right?

Posted by Job on September 19, 2008

Elijah’s list claiming that it is the will of God for Sarah Palin to win:

Recent Rantings from the ‘New Apostles’: The Coming Election and the Angel Named Union

Kim Clement claiming that it is God’s Will for Barack Obama to win:

False Prophet Kim Clement Says President Barack HUSSEIN Obama Will Bring Peace To Middle East

So Pentecostal Word of Faith charismatics, since these are BOTH anointed true prophets of God bringing fresh wine and new oil – or is it fresh oil and new wine – how can they both be right? Well, for one, it is obvious that NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GIVE TWO CENTS ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN OR JOE BIDEN! So maybe Barack Obama will win, ask Joe Biden to step down, and make Sarah Palin his vice president? Or maybe it is that ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE LIARS, FRAUDS, AND FALSE PROPHETS THAT ARE GOING TO DO FLOATING BELLYFLOPS INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE?!?!

By the way, both of these “prophecies” seem to strongly hint that Jesus Christ will return in 2012 or thereabouts. Since these people are LIARS, then it is far more likely that Jesus Christ will come back in 2237. Even if the rapture is a correct doctrine, IF YOU FOLLOW THESE LICENTIOUS THIEVES AND LIARS YOU WILL MISS IT! We will be five years into the scenarios depicted in the “Left Behind” movies and these guys will still be making prophecies AND STILL MAKING YOU PAY THEM FOR IT!

Now there is only one theological way – and it is a false theology by the way – that these “prophets” cannot be in conflict: if you believe in the open theism heresy (or apostasy). According to open theism, God’s Will, plan, providence, etc. changes or adapts to accommodate or fit the actions of man. Applying it here, Obama WAS God’s choice to be president according to the conditions of the time, but McCain’s choosing Palin caused (forced?) an adaptation on God’s part. While it is theoretically possible to salvage the doctrine of God’s sovereignty and ultimate control over history with this doctrine in a macro level, it is impossible to maintain that God rules the life of each person with this doctrine. The general direction of a nation and world, especially in an eschatological sense? Yes. Specifics regarding an individual, or perhaps even any number of people? Impossible. But realize: this is merely taking free will Arminian decision Christianity to its logical conclusion! Once you abandon “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” to “free will” in one area, it is impossible not to do so in others. A bigger issue: open theism, especially in matters like these, does harm to the doctrine of God’s being transcendent, meaning His being totally separate from creation, especially space – time. This doctrine makes God’s actions – and therefore God Himself – much more dependent on and a function of time, inching us ever closer to pagan systems. There is also a hint of Roman Catholicism working here. Roman Catholic doctrine actually holds that Mary had the ability to decline being used in the incarnation of Jesus Christ, and had she done so Jesus Christ would have never been born, and either mankind would have never been redeemed, or God would have had to come up with something else! Roman Catholics solve the implications of this by resorting to the Remonstrants’ “predestiny through foreknowledge” notion, which is that God knew in advance that Mary would consent to obeying Him, and took it into account in His plans. Again, logical conclusion of what is a Roman Catholic doctrine. The fact that “predestined foreknowledge” contradicts “open theism”? Ah, who cares. All that matters is that one has to reject Calvinism to support both, and rejecting Reformed doctrines so that man (whether individually or through institutions like the earth and government are ultimately in control on earth, making God the ruler of heaven only) is what it is all about. 

back from my digression, let me go ahead and give you the details of the Elijah List prophecies as given by PJ Miller. I am not making this stuff up. I really couldn’t if I tried. (Although some of the “special revelations” that I used to get back when I was in this movement were close …)

The arrogance and power-seeking false predictive words which come from these people is laughable. But when they start ‘prophesying’ about having authority within secular governments and nations, they shouldn’t be ignored, because the real ‘dark’ power working behind, in, or through these people is seeking to do exactly that. The words below come from dominionists and false teachers, Bob and Bonnie Jones andJeff Jansen

A few quotes and link..

From the launching pad of all that is false on the Internet, The Elijah List:

A New Apostolic Government by 2012

In the last 30 years we’ve seen a restoration of the prophetic – true prophets have been restored to the Church. But now we are about to see a restoration of the apostolic – true apostles are arising. The prophets bring the revelation and the apostles bring the application.

These apostles will be men and women like Joshua – leaders that bring the rest into the Promised Land. These apostles will not be appointed by man, but by God. In fact, many of them will look extremely different from what we would call “apostolic.” This new breed of apostolic order will not fear losing their reputation nor be concerned about what the newspapers are saying…

 

You can’t persecute the anointing and the glory of God or you’ll miss it. These apostles will speak to nations and cause a shift in the natural and the spiritual.Revival will break out and new regions will be changed as the Lord establishes new governmental order. This is not a man thing…this is a God thing!

We will see an entirely new apostolic government in place by 2012.

At this time, we will see the Church being put together and growing into a habitation for the Spirit of God: “…in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit” (Ephesians 2:21-22).

The Coming Election and the Angel Named Union

Right now it is extremely important to pray for the coming election. The winds of change are blowing. We must pray for this Godly Vice President. September is the month that will make the difference – this is the month it begins. Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, starts the night of September 29th.

Right now God is harvesting harvesters for the great harvest. By 2012 we will see a genuine apostolic government in place. From there we will see others come alongside and do what they are called to do.

We are in the middle of one of the greatest changes in history. These next eight years will be full of joy if the Church steps into authority and God’s righteous people are elected. It’s time to begin to bless instead of curse. The mind of Christ will be released to true followers with a fresh vision, new anointing, and plenty of provision.

We are going to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. It’s time to bless the United States and not curse her. Bob Jones heard Kate Smith singing God Bless America. This is the United States of America. We are united by diversity, and the angel over this nation is named “Union” – we are united by diversity and strengthened by union.

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Bonnie Jones’ Dream

In a recent dream, Bonnie Jones was visited by the Lord. In the dream, the Lord came to Bonnie and led her on a journey. The first place the Lord took Bonnie was a massive storehouse filled with organs and body parts. The Lord allowed Bonnie to put her right hand (faith) into this storehouse where she held all different types of organs and limbs. She felt He was teaching her to have the faith “of” God, not faith “in” God.

The Lord continued to escort Bonnie on the journey. The next place was on a bridge and then over railroad tracks. The bridge and the railroad tracks formed a cross, symbolizing “righteousness and justice.”

Next they went to 22nd Street. The Lord was giving her the key of David out of Isaiah 22:22, “Then I will set the key of the house of David on His shoulder, when He opens no one will shut, when He shuts no one will open.” She looked up and in the distance saw Lake Superior. The Lord is about to do something far superior to what we’ve recently witnessed.

Next she was holding a map. The instructions said, “When you come to 9th Street, take a hard right.” When they took a right on 9th Street the dream ended.

Bonnie is from Ohio, so when she woke up she knew where Lake Erie was, but not exactly where the other Great Lakes were. She decided to check the atlas and found where she was in the dream while looking at Lake Superior. She was in the extreme northern point of Wisconsin in an unincorporated village named Cornucopia – which represents an “open portal and the blessings of God.” Looking straight ahead at Lake Superior are the 22 Apostle Islands. Interestingly enough, there are 22 apostles recorded in the New Testament.

True Apostles are Being Released

What Bonnie saw in this visionary encounter with the Lord is parabolic of what God is bringing in this hour. In this season the Lord is restoring true apostles in the earth. As this apostolic government comes into view and is established, the Lord is releasing new keys – governmental keys of Kingdom authority that will be matched by no other generation.

Creative miracles, signs, and wonders will be witnessed in unparalleled ways as the Lord firmly establishes and confirms this new government. It will look nothing like what we’ve witnessed or heard of to date. There will be upheavals and shakings in the earth that will confirm what is happening in the spiritual – the natural proclaiming the spiritual.

What the Lord is about to do is far superior to anything He has done before.

Creative miracles – arms, legs, body parts, and organs will come down from Heaven. There will be no ebb – no end!

Your source is in Heaven, and this Heavenly warehouse is opening. Body parts will be issued to the Body, but there needs to be a government to do this. This will not be about a certain leader or leaders in particular, but an entire Church government and Body that will function in unity.

*recent related posts:

– The Coming Presence Movement

– Unto Us A Child Is Born…. Saints Beware

– Where Will The ‘Third Wave’ Teachings Show up Next?

– Dominionists on the ‘Move’..

– Deception: “look upon thyself”

– The ICA, The Hoax From Hell

– C. Peter Wagner and Dominionism

– The Manifested Sons of God heresy and the New Apostolic Reformation

– Militant Joel’s Army Followers Seek Theocracy

– God to Bob Jones: “AMERICA HAS FORGOTTEN KATE SMITH’S SONG, GOD BLESS AMERICA!” plus..

– The Super-Apostles: New, Improved, and Condemned

– C. Peter Wagner: ‘Super Apostle’?

– Rick Joyner: CHASING THE DELUSION OF POWER AND DOMINION

– The Threshing Floor – “Apostles of Leaven”

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Barack Obama And John The McCain: The Lesser of Two Evils Is STILL EVIL!

Posted by Job on August 18, 2008

Word has it that John Sidney McCain did extremely well for himself at the Rick Warren meeting. Well Pastor Michael Slattery has a sermon video explaining why Christians should not support either McCain or Obama using the logic that if you pick between the lesser of two evils, evil still wins! (P.S. Michael Slattery is rather controversial – and for good reason – but this is a pretty good presentation, so please do not use the messenger as an excuse to reject the message!)

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JOHN MCCAIN WORSHIPS ROMAN CATHOLIC MARY DEITY IN MEXICO!

Posted by Job on July 9, 2008

The first question: why was McCain in Mexico to begin with, let alone worshiping Ashtoreth, the queen of heaven that the Roman Catholics call Mary? The simple explanation is that McCain is pressing hard for the Mexican vote, so if he campaigns among the people in Mexico, their famous word of mouth communication network (which among other things lets border crossers know where to go to find work and where to avoid) will speak positively of him to Mexican – American voters. Pretty shrewd. But of course, THERE ARE MORE WAYS TO CAMPAIGN IN MEXICO FOR THE MEXICAN – AMERICAN VOTE THAN FOR A PROTESTANT TO WORSHIP MARY! So … what is going on? Any thoughts? Suggestions? Theories? I want to hear from you evangelical McCain supporters on this one! I also want to hear your theories on why this does not result in John McCain’s Southern Baptist pastor’s disciplining him. Would the apostolic church as depicted in the New Testament have put up with this? No! Why do we put up with it in these last days? Again, you tell me!

US Presidential Candidate John Sidney McCain III, Visits Mary Idol in Mexico.

And why do I call Mary the Roman Catholic deity instead of object of veneration? Because the Roman Catholic Church is getting closer and closer to outright declaring her a deity all the time. From Christian Research Network:

Rome Marks Apparition Of “Sinless” Mary & The Miraculous Medal

That link includes this one (of the same name)

Rome Marks Apparition Of “Sinless” Mary & The Miraculous Medal

Which in turn gives these:

Exorcists Disagree on Source of Marion Apparition 

Reconcile This, Rick Warren? 

Avoid Them Like The Plague 

The Feast of the Sacred Heart 

Virgin Mary Miracle in Bosnia 

Vatican Recognizes Marian Apparition in France 

The World, The Eucharist and the Co-Redeemer 

Mary & Messages From Heaven 

Mary: The Refuge, The Peace, The Path To God

 Pray Rosary for Peace, Benedict XVI Urges 

Pope Benedict XVI elevates “Mary” to a place of Deity 

Avoid Them Like The Plague

Faith Undone

The ABC’s of Catholicism

Far from Rome, Near to God 

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth

Pope Casts The Next Stone 

Growing Evangelical Fascination with Rome

Evangelical Christians & Catholic Mysticism.

Alignment of New Evangelicals with Apostacy

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Obama’s Sister Souljah Moment: He May Well Be President After All: He Gave The Fatherhood Speech

Posted by Job on June 15, 2008

See Obama Sharply Assails Absent Black Fathers from the New York Times and from CNN, and please reference WHAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SPENDING FATHER’S DAY AT AN APOSTOLIC CHURCH OF GOD MEANS!

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The Bilderbergs Will Choose Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s Running Mate!

Posted by Job on June 8, 2008

See original link: Bilderberg boys will decide who’s Obama’s “chosen” Veep

 

Although coming on like a freight train as the Messiah For Change, Barack Obama’s just another poodle of the powerbrokers when it comes to who will be his Veep. Visit to Mrs. Clinton notwithstanding, Obama’s in no position to play favours in the vice president department, the big boys will decide who fills that slot.

“It has been announced that Bilderberg luminary and top corporate elitist James A. Johnson will select Democratic candidate Barack Obama’s running mate for the 2008 election and in turn potentially act as a kingmaker for America’s future president.” (Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet, May 23, 2008).

For the Bilderberg uninitiated, Johnson also selected John Kerry’s running mate John Edwards in 2004 after Edwards had impressed Bilderberg elitists Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller with a speech he gave at the globalist conflab in Italy that year, says Prison Planet. 

For all of their power, Bilderberg Pooh-bahs are just as vulnerable to political speeches as are their lessers known as John & Josephine Q. Public.

Bilderbergers pull the puppet strings of contemporary politicians.  While the media tends to present Bilderberger luminaries as bigwigs in pinstripe suits attending endless secret meetings, they’re the global elitists pushing the envelope on one-world government.

“In reality, the group is shaping some of the primary developments in the domestic and geopolitical arena today, particularly in the context of oil prices which continue to accelerate towards Bilderberg’s target of $200 dollars a barrel.” (Prison Planet).

Some say it is the Bilderbergers behind all market trends.

Having to march along to the tunes of Bilderberg Blues Band makes Obama’s promise for change something of a mirage.

In the opinion of Prison Planet, “It also ridicules once again any notion that an Obama presidency would bring “change” to the status quo of America being ruled by an unelected corporate and military-industrial complex elite.”

“Former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson has been asked by Senator Barack Obama on Thursday to start the search for a viable Vice Presidential candidate,” reports Trans World News.

“Johnson and Obama are starting the top-secret search as Obama edges closer to the Democratic nomination.  Johnson did the same job for Democratic nominees John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984.”

“The report lists Johnson as a member of “American Friends of Bilderberg,” which is an offshoot Bilderberg front group that has accepted donations from the Ford Foundation to fund Bilderberg meetings where lavish hotels are entirely booked up for three days, by no means an inexpensive feat.  The organization is basically a steering committee for the Bilderberg Group—a secretarial outpost through which Bilderberg conferences are organized.

“Johnson has also directly attended Bilderberg meetings, therefore he can be classed as a Bilderberg luminary.  He attended last years’s meeting in Istanbul, Turkey.

“Johnson is also “A vice chairman of the private banking firm Perseus LLC, a position he has held since 2001.  He is also a board member at Goldman Sachs, Gannett Company Inc., a media holding group, KB Home, a home construction firm, Target Corporation, Temple-Inland and UnitedHealth Group.

“Predictably, he is also a member of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.

In 2004 it was reported that John Edwards’ Goody Two Shoes performance in front of the Bilderberg big boys in Italy was a factor in his selection as John Kerry’s Number Two.  Edwards was so in sync with the brass that attendees even dispensed with house rules to applaud him at the end of the speech he gave about American politics.

That time, Johnson himself selected Edwards in a last-minute change decision after it appeared as though Dick Gephardt was going to secure the position.  The New York Post even reported that Gephardt had been chosen and “Kerry-Gephardt” stickers were being placed on campaign vehicles before being removed when Edwards was announced as Kerry’s handmaiden.

Kerry, of course went on to lose to what Prison Planet calls “his fellow Skull and Bones member George W. Bush.

“But with Obama enjoying an 8-point lead over Republican candidate John McCain, this year’s running mate decision is all the more important, with the individual selected likely to have a shot at becoming President in 2012.

“Bilderberg has a proven history of acting in a kingmaker capacity.  Both Bill Clinton and Tony Blair attended Bilderberg meetings in the early 90’s before becoming President and Prime Minister respectively.”

History may record the Democrats bringing both the first black and first female president and vice president to the White House.

Barack Obama may look like the Messiah For Change when in reality he’s just another Bildeberg Boy. 

Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the print media. A former Toronto Sun columnist, she also worked for the Kingston Whig Standard. Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and Glenn Beck.

Judi can be emailed at: judi@canadafreepress.com

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New World Order Alert: Did HUSSEIN Obama And Hillary Clinton Attend A Bilderberg Meeting TOGETHER? I Thought They Were Supposed To Be ENEMIES!

Posted by Job on June 8, 2008

McCain, Clinton, HUSSEIN Obama all working on the same team …

see this Worldnet Daily link

WASHINGTON – Sen. Barack Obama ditched his unsuspecting press entourage yesterday to attend a secretive meeting with Sen. Hillary Clinton.

But where did that meeting take place? Was it at the secretive Bilderberg conference in Chantilly, Va.? So far, neither campaign is talking.

The 56th Bilderberg meeting is still going on this weekend at the Westfields Marriott, according to various sources. But attendance is a well-guarded secret – along with the agenda, which tends toward the promotion of globalist ideas.

Obama’s spokesman Robert Gibbs confirmed Clinton and Obama met but declined to inform the press of the location of the meeting. However, it was reportedly not held at Clinton’s Washington home. Hillary’s spokesman also declined to give the location of the rendezvous.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told Fox News the two candidates met at her house in Washington. Feinstein said she was working upstairs while Clinton and Obama sat by her fireplace.

Asked if Obama attended more than one meeting last night, Gibbs declined to “get into all the details.” Speculation about the pair meeting yesterday began when reporters traveling with Obama arrived at Dulles International Airport, in Northern Virginia, to find Obama was not aboard the plane, as was scheduled.

“Reporters traveling with Obama sensed something might be happening between the pair when they arrived at Dulles International Airport after an event in Northern Virginia and Obama was not aboard the airplane,” the Associated Press reported.

Members of the press were outraged over the way Obama’s campaign organizers covered up the meeting. Reporters were led to believe they would be getting on a plane back to Obama’s campaign headquarters in Chicago with the senator. But while they were in the airport, the presidential candidate remained in the area for a secret meeting.

Dulles is just three miles from the Westfields Marriott Hotel in Chantilly, where Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller, among other globalists, are gathered for the annual Bilderberg Group conference.

“Asked at the time about the Illinois senator’s whereabouts, Gibbs smiled and declined to comment,” the AP report continued.

Bilderberg is a highly-secretive meeting where the most influential men and women of North America and Western Europe meet ostensibly to discuss policy. But the group has spent years promoting a globalist agenda, according to reports from journalists who have penetrated the meeting.

The Bilderberg Group made a press release available explaining the agenda for the meeting.

“The conference will deal mainly with a nuclear free world, cyber terrorism, Africa, Russia, finance, protectionism, U.S.-European Union relations, Afghanistan and Pakistan, Islam and Iran. Approximately 140 participants will attend, of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America,” the release stated. “About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.”

Additionally, a list of the conference’s attendees was released and included James A. Johnson, who was named this week to the three-person team vetting possible running mates for Obama. Rampant speculation in the blogosphere says the Obama-Clinton meeting last night was held to arrange the New York senator as Obama’s vice-presidential candidate.

Attendees at the Bilderberg conference included Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle and Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the board of governors for the Federal Reserve.

Hillary Clinton is no stranger to Bilderberg. Bill Clinton attended the 1991 meeting in Germany shortly before he was elected president. According to reports, he attended again in 1999 when the meeting was held in Sintra, Portugal, and Hillary herself may have attended the 2006 meeting in Ottawa, Canada.

“Why were we not told about this meeting until we were on the plane, the doors were shut and the plane was about to taxi to take off?” one reporter asked Obama spokesman Gibbs in a heated exchange caught on camera by CNN.

Senator Obama had a desire to do some meetings, others had a desire to meet with him tonight in a private way, and that is what we are doing.” Gibbs replied.

“Is there more than one meeting, is there more than one person with whom he is meeting?” asked another reporter.

“I am not going to get into all the details of the meeting.” Gibbs replied.

Obama’s spokesman explained the Clinton meeting was not planned in advance, and it was a last minute decision to attend.

Another link. Another link. Another link.

Be not deceived, Christians, or conformed to the ways of this world … and you John McCain fans please realize that McCain met with this same group of people, the Rothschilds, in Great Britain three months ago

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James Carville Says Bill Richardson Choosing Obama Over Clinton Is Like Judas Betraying Jesus Christ!

Posted by Job on March 23, 2008

See evidence that the people that alleged Methodist Church Sunday school teacher Hillary Clinton surrounds herself with honestly do not love or fear Jesus Christ in this link:

Carville Compares Hillary Clinton to Jesus Christ

Full story here: Clinton, Richardson, Obama

I still say that the Council on Foreign Relations types prefer Obama, but things like this makes me wonder if the real goal is to force evangelical Christians to accept John McCain. But soft … that fits their agenda too, which is to get evangelical Christians to weaken and compromise their faith through politics. So, getting evangelical Christians to invest their faith and vote in McCain despite knowing full well that it is wrong only to have the fellow lose to Obama anyway … what better way to use Christians to advance the anti – Christ agenda and do further harm to the evangelical Christian faith in America using the false political/military/economic god?

Still, it does seem like whenever Obama gets into real trouble, something happens to bail him out, doesn’t it?

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