Posted by Job on July 18, 2010
God created Israel separate from the nations with the duty to be a light to the other nations. Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit led Israel and were present with Israel, but did not indwell national Israel. Thus, Israel failed. Not only did they not become a light to the other nations, but fell into an apostate state whose abominations and wickedness actually EXCEEDED the evils of the other nations. Thus, only a righteous remnant preserved by God remained.
By contrast, when God created the church, it was not as a set apart nation to be a light to the other nations. Instead, God created the church as a people called out from ALL nations, Israel included, to be a light to the world. Where Israel was God’s national project with global implications, the church is God’s global project with eternal ramifications. And unlike national Israel, the church did not and will not fail. Unlike national Israel, the church was bought and created with God’s own divine Blood, that being sinless Jesus Christ shed on the cross. And unlike national Israel, the church is Jesus Christ’s Body with Jesus Christ Himself as the Head, and the Holy Spirit is not only present with the church, but indwells the church.
So where the failure of Israel was a failure of man – the human leaders and followers of national Israel – the church cannot and will not fail because God Himself indwells it. The old covenant was temporal, conditional and limited to one people (Israel) in one time (prior to that of Jesus Christ) and one place (the land of Canaan). The new covenant is unconditional (cannot be broken), eternal (will last forever) and universal (given to those coming from all nations, tribes and tongues).
Thus, contra covenant theology, Israel was not the church of the Old Testament. Instead, national Israel was a type, seed or foreshadowing of what was to be fulfilled by the church, New Testament spiritual Israel that both includes those natural descendants of Israel who are elect and thus believe, but it also transcends them. Calling Israel the church of the Old Testament distorts the purpose and method of its creation, and it also rejects the fact that the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) was in the tabernacle/temple behind the veil and not indwelling Israel in a corporate sense as it does the church in a corporate sense. At best, the Holy Spirit may have indwelled individual Old Testament saints such as the prophets and King David, and even in that sense the Old Testament saints were not limited to national Israel (consider Jethro/Reuel, Melchizedek, Seth, Abel, Noah, Job, the Queen of Sheba, Nebuchadnezzar etc.)
And also against dispensationalism, the church age is not a parenthetical period between two Israel ages (the Old Testament and the Jewish millennium), with memorial animal sacrifices in a third temple to Jesus Christ to occur in the second Jewish age, and Israel again taking her place as a light to the nations during the millennium. Instead, the purpose of Israel’s lesser light (and in creation, the lesser light rules THE NIGHT, which according to the parables of Jesus Christ is the time of sorrow because the bridegroom is not present) was to point to Jesus Christ, who is the true light to the nations, including Israel, and is the greater light which rules THE DAY. So, what of the Old Testament prophecies of the nations’ bringing gifts to Zion and serving Zion that were to be fulfilled in the millennium, the alleged “unfulfilled promises to Israel that have to be fulfilled in the millennium”? Read “servant songs” of Isaiah. Jesus Christ is the Son of Israel, who took upon Himself the role that Israel rejected, succeeded where Israel failed, obeyed and fulfilled the law of Moses that Israel broke (and dispensationalists claim that Israel should have never accepted to begin with when the truth is that Israel had no free will in the matter to accept or reject; they had no choice for they were chosen unconditionally by God and could not resist or reject His will) and thereby became Israel or Zion within Himself.
Jesus Christ is able to fulfill the prophecies given to both national Israel because He IS both national and spiritual Israel. Jesus Christ is national Israel because He was born a Jew to Mary and Joseph as a natural son of David of the tribe of Judah, and spiritual Israel because one is part of spiritual Israel only through faith in Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the object, author and finisher of that same faith. So, the “Zion songs” that speak of a restored Israel receiving the worship and gifts of the nations and ruling the nations are actually fulfilled in Jesus Christ who – as Israel’s personification, representative and fulfillment – rules the nations with a rod of iron and receives the worship and praise of all who have faith in, abide in and obediently serve Him in heaven and on earth while ruling the nations with a rod of iron.
Suggesting that national Israel will rule and receive gifts in the place of the only One who is worthy of such rule and praise is to take the position that Jesus Christ was never incarnated, crucified and resurrected. Incidentally, the amillennial beliefs held by many covenant theologians and is being adopted by dominionists, which holds that the church is to subdue and rule the earth just as Israel was to do with Canaan (and in the case of the dominionists, as Adam was subdue and rule the earth), possesses a similar error, giving to man and his institutions the rule – and praise – that belongs only to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ will not rule the earth through the church, but instead will rule the earth including the church. And there will be no memorial sacrifices to Jesus Christ, for why do things in memory (as is done to those who are dead and sleep) to that who is alive and present forevermore? Instead of memorial animal sacrifices in a temple, Jesus Christ will receive active worship and praise in spirit and in truth from the hearts of those who believe, those whom the Holy Spirit indwells!
Therefore, knowing the difference between the church and Israel is vital to understanding the past, future and the present for the Christian. By contrast, failing to know these differences leaves one vulnerable to error and deception. So, do not be destroyed for the lack of knowledge! Instead, study to show yourselves approved!
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Posted by Job on September 11, 2008
Original link at Church Warnings. Great stuff if you have the time … and I know you do. EASTERN REGIONAL WATCH
False Prophets – Strange Fire – Jewel Grewe
When A Prophet Speaks and His Words DO NOT Come to Pass – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Baal-ogna! Wrong Source For the Prophet – Carolyn Chapman, Faith Issues
Savage Wolves! – The Christian Expositor
Strange Fire: The Rise of Gnosticism In The Church – Travers and Jewel van der Merwe ( Grewe )
Apostles and Prophets and the Foundation of the Church – Bob DeWaay, CIC
Touch Not My Anointed – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
How To Discern, Test and Judge Rightly – Sandy Simpson, Deception In The Church
Walter Martin’s Warning To The Church – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
William Branham – Al Dager, Media Spotlight
Revered Among the Prophets – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Was Branham Elijah? – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
The Kansas City Prophets – Pastor Bill Randles
A Look at the Kansas City Prophets – Stephen F. Cannon
The Kansas City Prophets – K.B. Napier, Bible Theology Ministries
Prophet Paul Cain – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Kansas City Prophet’s Homosexuality Exposed – Rick Joyner, Jack Deere, Mike Bickle
Examining Bob Jones’ Shepherd Rod – Cephas Ministry
The Mystical World of Bob Jones – Timothy Smith
The Higher Life of Rick Joyner – G. Richard Fisher, Personal Freedom Outreach
The False Teachings of Rick Joyner – Joseph Chambers, Paw Creek Ministries
Climbing Joyner’s Gnostic Mountain – Orrel Steinkamp, The Plumbline
Rick Joyner’s book, “The Final Quest” should be called “The Big Lie”! – Joseph Chambers, Paw Creek Ministries
THE FINAL QUEST by Rick Joyner – A book review by Steve Mitchell, Jeff Smith and Mike Oppenheimer
The Call by Rick Joyner – A Review by Kevin Reeves
Walking in the Shadow of the Walk – G. Richard Fisher
Analysis of Bill Hamon’s Word From the Lord – Cephas Ministries
Cindy Jacobs: A Charismatic Jezebel – Joseph Chambers, Paw Creek Ministries
Is Cindy Jacobs Really a Prophet to the Nations? – Philip Powell
The Most Popular Man In The World? – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Benny Hinn: False Prophet – Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
A Prophet Has Spoken (Benny Hinn) – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
False Prophecies of Benny Hinn – Compiled by Bud Press
Benny Hinn: A False Prophet – Bible Light
Benny Hinn: False Prophet Extraordinaire – Jackie Alnor, The Christian Sentinel
Chalk Up Another False Prophecy by Benny Hinn – Sandy Simpson, DITC
When A Prophet Is Not Right – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Benny Hinn’s Response To Dateline NBC – Sandy Simpson, DITC
Benny Hinn: The Same Old Thing as the New Thing – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Is Kim Clement a New Age Prophet? – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Kim Clement – True or False – Bob Hunter, The Contenders
Kim Clement – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
Kim Clement Misses the Mark Yet Again – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
Coming in Sheep’s Clothing – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Have You Been Misled By God? – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
Copeland’s Prophecy “Jesus is no Longer the Only Begotten Son” and His Latter Rain Teaching – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Jack Deere’s View of Prophecy – Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
False Prophecies of The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) – Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
Discernment the Size of a Flea: An Open Letter to ‘Charisma’ Magazine – Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Let These Prophets NOT Prophesy – Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Pat Robertson, False Prophet, Again – David E. Lister, Moriel Ministries
Paul Cain, Latter Rain Prophet of Renown Is Now Discredited – Orrel Steinkamp, The Plumbline
Why God Holds Pastors Responsible – Pastor Bill Randles
Kim Clement’s Latest Prophecy – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
Christian Leaders Go On “Expedition” With False Prophets: Circa 2000– Discernment Research Group, Herescope
More Lies From Kim Clement – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
A “Fresh Word” about Kim Clement – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
Will the Real Elijah Please Stand Up? – Jackie Alnor, Apostasy Alert
Peter Popoff: Back to His Old Tricks – (Mr.) Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
The Traveling Prophets Tour – Steve Lumbley, Apostasy Watch!
Temitope Baogun Joshua – T. B. Joshua – Julius Afolalu
The New-Wave Prophecies and Billion-dollar Ballpoints of Bishop E. Bernard Jordan – J. R. Taylor, New York Press
False Prophet Phenomenon – Brian Culp, Reporter-Times.com
Religious Broadcaster Pat Robertson Predicts Horrific Terrorist Attack on US in 2007 – Associated Press
Dennis Cramer: The ‘Nervous’ Prophet – Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Prophet or Heretic: Either Way, He Takes All Major Credit Cards – Julie Lyons, Dallas Observer
Yet Another False Prophet Promoting the Grand Delusion – Ray Gano, Prophezine
Kim Clement – Mouthpiece for Satan – Steve Lumbley,
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Posted by Job on May 29, 2008
“Holy Spirit fall! God is here! We want more! More, more, more!” That’s what Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley yells out nearly every evening to the thousands who gather to hear him preach. (Reminds me of how during the Azusa Street revivals, people used to yell and scream at and demand God to give them the baptism of the Holy Spirit so that they could speak in tongues. Pardon me, but the Bible says that God is our sovereign Lord and as such we are supposed to approach the Lord with fear and trembling and make requests of Him, not demands.)
Not everyone is comfortable with this expression of Christianity, including some Protestant theologians. R. Douglas Geivett, a professor at the CONSERVATIVE, evangelical Talbot School of Theology, is deeply skeptical of the “Florida outpouring” and does not believe Bentley’s claims of supernatural healing are consistent with Christian doctrine. “I don’t think it fits neatly into any branch of Christianity,” said Geivett. “Mr. Bentley’s worldview appears to be a mixture of New Age notions, an obsession with the paranormal, and an untutored grasp of Christian theology.” (What has the world come to that not wanting your Christianity mixed with New Age and paranormal mysticism makes you CONSERVATIVE? The spirit of anti – Christ is very much on the march, people!)
Still, what seems to be drawing all these people of varying ages, ethnicities, and classes is a clear hunger for what Bentley’s meetings are offering: the hope of healing and some sort of touch from God. (And not the message of Jesus Christ crucified, or of being a servant. It is all about what God can do for you. Remember when Jesus Christ got angry at the people when they kept demanding that He perform signs and miracles on demand? “Just work one more sign and wonder, Jesus of Nazareth, and THEN we will believe that you are the Messiah. Forget about all of the other miracles that you have been doing for all of these months, things that if they were written down there would not be enough books in the world to contain them. Why? Because you did those miracles according to your own desire and initiative. We only want a Messiah that will obey US and do what WE want Him to do!” People, this is why Corinthians says that sign gifts are for the unbelieving and not for the believers. Believers are fully confident that God exists, they know that God regularly and continuously makes Himself known to all people through creation and general revelation, and that they can encounter God – they touch God and God touches them – through regular reading of the Bible, and in praise, worship, devotion, and service to God. Faith is the substance of things not seen, because if you could plainly see – or feel! – it, then you wouldn’t need faith. And if you had true faith, such mighty impressive things would be of no consequence, because you would reason with the mind that God gave you that if God sent His own Son to save the elect, then healing someone or causing someone to speak in unknown tongues is actually a small work that pales by comparison. These folks want to see – and feel – things that impress their flesh because they doubt the true nature of the miracle of the Incarnation – the God that exists outside of creation that heavens cannot contain existing in a specific place and time as a man – and since they doubt it they cannot fathom it. This is not to speak against miracles – for I have certainly experienced more than a few in my short life! – but for people who have actual faith, A. they do not have a “car accident rubbernecking” fascination with or desire to chase after miracles and B. the focus of their faith is not miracles, dreams, visions, etc. but Jesus Christ as revealed through the Bible. For the faithful, miracles STRENGTHEN their conviction to follow Biblical Christianity. For the FAITHLESS, however, they will abandon Biblical Christianity in a heartbeat to follow anyone who works a miracle.)
In many instances, Bentley places his hands on someone’s head or area of infirmity and cries out for the power of God to descend. In response, some people may stand and physically tremble, while others may literally fall down to the ground in what they call “falling under the power” of the Holy Spirit. (And cries out for the power of God to descend? Is this supposed to be analogous to Elijah praying to God to send down fire in 1 Kings 18:1-46? Jesus Christ would heal people simply by spoken command, and His disciples and apostles did so also with the spoken command in the Name of Jesus Christ. Scripture does not record anyone that Jesus Christ or His servants healing then falling down under the power of the Holy Spirit. If that would have happened to anyone, it would have been the very frail woman who touched the hem of Christ’s garment. Of course, had she done so, Jesus Christ would not have had to ask “who touched me”, for it would have been obvious … the woman “slain in the spirit”, prostrated on the floor rolling like a log while laughing and barking like a dog! And as for the power of God to descend … under the new covenant we have the power of God within us … the indwelling Holy Spirit which empowers us to work miracles such as healing, prophesying and interpretation, tongues, etc. For Christians, the power of God comes not down from above at special occasions – i.e. at our command – but resides within us continually. The old covenant was a forerunner of things to come, the new covenant replaced the old and is a superior one based on better promises.)
Bentley’s associates say that this is not a painful experience, but rather one of being physically overcome by the loving presence of God. Anticipating these sorts of responses, one of Bentley’s staff members stands behind each individual to serve as a “catcher” to gently guide the person down to the floor. Skeptics claim this “falling” can be the result of being overcome with emotion or a learned behavior. (Or other skeptics, like me, have legitimate questions as to whether this enterprise is demonic, and I base this on how this does not conform to how Christians are depicted in the Bible, nor does it conform to my own personal experience of healing and spiritual deliverance.)
Erik Thoennes, also a professor from the Talbot School of Theology, offers a more accepting, though still cautious stance, than his colleague Geivett. Thoennes believes many Christians today are open to the idea that God might move in miraculous ways, even if they don’t embrace movements like Bentley’s. (This is the anti – Christ media attempting to pit Thoennes against Geivett. Geivett never spoke against healings, HE ONLY SPOKE AGAINST a mixture of New Age notions, an obsession with the paranormal, and an untutored grasp of Christian theology. In other words, Geivett did not say that God does not heal people, he only spoke against BENTLEY. Thoennes and Geivett actually have basically the same position, and it is one that I share. And I am not even an “evangelical” like them. Geivett, Thoennes, and myself have no problem with signs and wonders happening by people whose practice, doctrines, and actions conform to scripture. It is people like us that the charismania advocates accuse of “putting God in a box” and “trying to limit God.” It is not God that we are trying to limit, but rather it is false doctrines and practices that we are opposing.)
It is curious that MSNBC is being much more tolerant of this healing revival than it is of people who state unequivocally that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and that the Bible is infallible and the final authority in all matters. Claims to be able to heal people – a claim that is present in many religions by the way … in addition to the various Hindu, animist, spiritist, witch doctor, etc. healers see this “John of God” fellow who claims to be possessed by King Solomon, and yes he had a healing revival in America recently – truthfully offends no one. But proclaiming the uniqueness of Jesus Christ, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the sovereignty of God gets one called a dangerous fanatic with extremist divisive beliefs. (And that, mind you, is what many professed Christians will call you!)
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