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Bill Hamon, Another Transfer of Wealth Ministry Needs Your Transfer of Wealth (To Them) To Make It Through

Posted by Job on May 20, 2009

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However, more recently we have reached a desperate financial situation.  The ministry staff has faithfully cut and curbed costs, but even as expenses have dropped, so has our income.  Many of the leadership have put in their own money to cover payroll, but that can only be done so many times. As a ministry it has always been our policy that we don’t lay people off.  Unfortunately, recently we have had to use this option as a way to keep the ministry running.  Our staff has been resilient as we have had to lay off several employees, placing a greater work load on many that remain, as well cutting their salaries by 10%. 

Bill Hamon, Another Transfer of Wealth Ministry Needs Your Transfer of Wealth (To Them) To Make It Through

Someone kindly directed me to this from ‘Biship’ Bill Hamon’s site here, dated 11th May 2009. Bill Hamon is yet another one in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) who blatantly cannot manifest what he preaches, just like Steve Shultz, Chuck Pierce and C Peter Wagner preach and even hold conferences on release and transfer of wealth yet cannot manifest what they preach and prophesy either. Something is seriously amiss in prophet land. Why on earth won’t the church wake up to it?

Bill Hamon says –

“Friday, February 6th I woke and felt the Lord quickened to me the story found in 2 Kings 3. In this chapter the three kings of Israel, Judah and Edom marched seven days into the desert, in a round about way, to attack Moab.  They ran out of water and none was available where they were.  Their provision for survival and continuing on was insufficient to meet their needs. They went to the prophet Elisha and he prophesied to dig long rows of ditches in the valley. The Prophet said God would fill the ditches with water.  They would not see clouds or rain, but water would come. water of provision is coming so that we may survive and be enabled to destroy our enemies and reap the spoils of victory.

I know that many people are experiencing tough financial times and others are tightening their belts in preparation for what may come. However, I strongly believe that in this time, more than ever, we must not forget the principle of sowing and reaping. [endtimespropheticwords comment – working your way to Bill Hamon of course]   Over and over scripture shows us that if we will give freely, rather than holding on, He will be more than faithful to bring the return. As a ministry we have continued to sow into other ministries even through this tough time.  I encourage you to do the same.

Over the last year Christian International has faced some of the toughest financial times since we first moved to Florida 25 years ago. In the early days our staff was accustomed to possible short pay checks or even being asked to sow their salaries.  Since we were such a close knit community we pulled together and made it through.  Praise God it has been many years since those early days!

However, more recently we have reached a desperate financial situation.  The ministry staff has faithfully cut and curbed costs, but even as expenses have dropped, so has our income.  Many of the leadership have put in their own money to cover payroll, but that can only be done so many times. As a ministry it has always been our policy that we don’t lay people off.  Unfortunately, recently we have had to use this option as a way to keep the ministry running.  Our staff has been resilient as we have had to lay off several employees, placing a greater work load on many that remain, as well cutting their salaries by 10%.  For nearly two months our staff has done what would normally take them 80 hours in 72.  Some have even chosen to sow the additional eight hours to make sure that their part of the vision was fulfilled. 

In a situation like this, it is imperative to seek the Lord for direction.  So that is exactly what the leadership gathered to do.  We talked it over, sought the Lord, revisited prophetic words and decided that God is not telling us to stop or to back down. Then we began the process of trusting Him to bring the needed provision. [endtimes: by sending out begging letters]

If you have been with our ministry for any length of time you know it is not our nature to ask for money unless it is absolutely necessary. We have a great need and I encourage you to seek the Lord as to what extra you can give at this time.  I know God will give you a hundred-fold return on your seed sown. [endtimes comment –  pimp it, Bill!  And if the seed sown really works this way, why doesn’t Bill give out to you or some other worthy project and get a hundred fold return for himself? He’d never need to ask anyone for money ever again, would he?! But he doesn’t as it doesn’t work like that!]

In 1 Corinthians 3 Paul encouraged the church at Corinth that we all play a part in accomplishing the purpose of God in the earth.  Verse 9 says, “We work together as partners who belong to God…” One plants the seed, another waters and another harvests.  I am depending on God and you to make sure we continue to progress in fulfilling our ministry together in Christ. I look forward to hearing from you soon. [endtimes – as long as a check is enclosed in the envelope – bit presumptive too isn’t it?!]

Yours in Christ,

Bishop Bill Hamon”

Maybe Bill Hamon needs to read his daughter-in-law Jane Hamon’s book ‘The Cyrus Decree’  (or talk to her more?) and then call in some of his fellow apostles and prophets in to do some effective decreeing instead of ineffective screeing? Mind you, we all know what happened when the NAR elite decree’d at Lakeland when giving Todd Bentley the apostolic handshake and ring …

“Jane Hamon…. discusses the truths and the blessings she says have come in the earth through prophetic proclamations and apostolic decrees. She discusses the ministry of the prophets and apostles in the marketplace and in the pulpit. Jane references the kingship of Cyrus as the biblical basis for these proclamations and their impact on the earth.

In order to understand why Cyrus’ call to deliver the people was so significant, it must be set in historical context. The Israelites were captive in Babylon in part because of the foolishness of Hezekiah. King Hezekiah was sick and Isaiah prophesied to him that he would die. Hezekiah petitioned God and God changed His mind and gave Hezekiah 15 more years to live. Once well, Hezekiah invited foreign visitors into his palace and bragged about all his wealth and possessions. The foreign visitors were from a little known place called Babylon. It took 100 years, but the Israelites were taken captive by these very foreigners and all they had was carried away to Babylon. But God never leaves His people without a means of deliverance and this time the deliverance would come through Cyrus.

WHY CYRUS?

Jane explains it this way. “Cyrus was anointed by the Lord for a season of dominion on the earth that would result in one of the greatest earthly kingdoms ever established. God’s purpose in raising Cyrus up as king was to make him an instrument the Lord could use to release Israel from Babylon and to enable them to return to their land to rebuild what the emeny had destroyed.” Jane says that Cyrus was a warrior by age 16 and that in the Church today, God is developing warriors to battle on the spiritual front. She says the trumpet is sounding and each saint is being called on to be ready for war because just like in the days of Cyrus, many, many people still live in slavery to sin and death. She says there are people to be delivered, cities to be freed, nations to be won and entire regions of the earth to be liberated by the reality of the gospel. But this current day warfare is not with guns or tanks or planes but the spiritual weapons of prayer, praise and proclamation. Jane says God is looking for those in the Body of Christ who will do as Cyrus did and be ready to take on the spirit and attitude of a warrior for these times.

Simply stated, The Cyrus Decree will release apostolic and prophetic keys to the 21st century Church to liberate captives, transfer wealth, revolutionize nations and build the Kingdom of God!  [endtimes – don’t these people listen when Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world?]

The Cyrus Decree  releases Kingdom keys to empower the individual believer to release power through prophetic proclamations, unlock your wealth and your destiny, utilize your spiritual weapons of war, bring God’s voice to the marketplace, build and restore God’s Church, legislate God’s Kingdom rule, set captives free, conquer idolatrous systems and transfer wealth for building the kingdom…”

(Source CBN here)

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See also these related articles –

Chuck Pierce Inc. He Also Begs Funds To Meet Ongoing Wagner Poverty

C Peter Wagner & Chuck Pierce Ministry in Financial Trouble, While Wagner & Pierce Caught Out In Their Lies

James Goll Ministry in Financial Trouble

The End Times Apostasy http://www.thouartthechrist.info/lakeland/

 

The art of the apologetic non-apology

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/04/the-art-of-the-apologetic-nonapology.html

 

Bentley’s healing deaths

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/05/i-guess-that-if-you-die-and-go-to-heaven-thats-a-healing-of-sorts.html

 

Two People “Healed” at the Lakeland Revival Die – Slaughter of the Sheep

http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/two-people-healed-at-the-lakeland-revival-die/

 

Bentley Joyner Johnson “divorce from reality”

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/04/divorced-from-reality.html

 

Benny Hinn Speaks Out Against the Florida Revival

http://www.christianresearchservice.com/BHinn39.htm

 

Gordon Williams to Karl Strader on ‘Reverse Blasphemy of the Spirit’

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/karl-strader-and-gordon-williams-on-lakeland-outpouring/#comment-23586

 

Rick Joyner Blaming Todd’s Sin on Shonnah

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/rick-joyner-blaming-todd-bentleys-sin-on-shonnah-on-burnout-on-depression-on-anything-but-todd-himself/#comment-40309

 

RICK JOYNER MANIPULATION COMMENTS

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/rick-joyner-manipulation/#comment-39415

 

False Prophet Rick Joyner & Todd Bentley’s Adulterous Re-Marriage

http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/news/usa/false-prophet-rick-joyner-todd-bentleys-re-marriage

 

The Delusional World Of Mark Stibbe & St Andrews Chorleywood

http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/church_issues/delusional_world_of_mark_stibbe.htm

 

Rick Joyner: We’re Not Justifying Anything YET re Todd Bentley

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/rick-joyner-were-not-justifying-anything-yet-re-todd-bentley/

 

Adrift in the River of God (Deceived by Rick Joyner)

http://www.deceptionbytes.com/content/adrift-river-god-parts-i-ii-and-iii

 

Mr. Bentley enters his rehab

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/03/mr-bentley-enters-his-rehab.html

 

Pentecostal Preacher Sherman Allen Turns Out to be Reverend Spanky

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-21/news/pentecostal-preacher-sherman-allen-turns-out-to-be-reverend-spanky/1

 

Todd Bentley & Rick Joyner Video on His Divorce, Remarriage and Restoration

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/todd-bentley-rick-joyner-video-on-his-divorce-remarriage-and-restoration/

 

The Tragic Scandal of Greasy Grace  http://charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/20005-the-tragic-scandal-of-greasy-grace?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_content=keith4him%40yahoo.com&utm_campaign=FIMB+3-11-09

 

Rick Joyner Announces Todd Bentley Remarriage

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/rick-joyner-announces-todd-bentley-remarriage-and-the-start-of-restoration-process-while-begging-for-cash-for-fresh-fire-usa/

 

The False Revival (comparison)

 Todd Bentley and his muscle bound Jesus

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/todd-bentley-and-his-muscle-bound-jesus/

REVIVAL HERESY AND THE INTERNET

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=tsuMLkiMyaQ&feature=channel_page

Preacher Lived in Luxury as Church Plunged into Debt

http://www.rickross.com/reference/clergy/clergy323.html

Patricia King The Weirdo

http://walthope.tripod.com/pk.htm

 The Ted Haggard Dilemma

http://www.slate.com/id/2209983/

 Not Innocent”  http://www.a2zbookdepot.com/xxcrxxoxxoks.pdf

 or http://crooksaog.tripod.com/

 Stephen Strang in the Pits

http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/church-issues/aberrational-theology/stephen-strang-in-the-pits

 

Pastor Karl Strader is history

http://www.christiannews.0catch.com/strader.htm

 

Pastor Rodney The Sheep Fleecer

http://www.christiannews.0catch.com/rodney.htm

 

Tragedy Has Stalked Oral Roberts Life!  http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/church_issues/oral_roberts_tragedy.htm

Richard Roberts A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing

http://walthope.tripod.com/or.htm

 

Rodney Howard-Browne Is One Of The Most Controversial And Publicized Figures Of The Third Wave Movement

BENNY HINN THE SCOUNDREL

http://walthope.tripod.com/hinn.htm

Shonnah Bentley and Son [Inc.] More Bentleys Plan Return To Ministry Spotlight

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/shonnah-bentley-and-son-inc-more-bentleys-plan-return-to-ministry-spotlight/

Todd Bentley Letter To Rick Joyner on His Marriage, Ministry and Mistress. [And Fresh Fire Infighting]

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/todd-bentley-letter-to-rick-joyner-on-his-marriage-ministry-and-mistress-and-fresh-fire-infighting/

 Read Your Bible Todd at http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/01/read-your-bible-todd.html

Todd Bentley Inc. at http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/01/todd-bentley-inc.html

 Todd Bentley Hasn’t Learned A Thing http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/todd-bentley-hasnt-learned-a-thing/

Todd Bentleys – Mistress Jessa

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/todd-bentleys-mistress-jessa-revealed/

 Todd Bentley’s Apostolic and Prophetic Commissioning 4/4

 Revival Alliance Hypocrisy

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/john-arnott-che-ahn-and-bill-johnson-of-revival-alliance/

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/a-dangerous-fire-impartation-at-james-goll-jill-austin-conference/#comment-32301

RICK JOYNER – MORNINGSTAR MADNESS

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdVyg9Noyw&eurl=http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/

 Shawn Bolz, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner – The Upcoming ‘Civil War’ in the Church?

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/shawn-bolz-bill-johnson-rick-joyner-the-upcoming-%E2%80%98civil-war%E2%80%99-in-the-church/

 Are Mega-Preachers Scandal-Prone?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666552,00.html?imw=Y

Dutch Sheets in Driver’s Seat Of New Apostolic Reformation

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/dutch-sheets-in-driver%E2%80%99s-seat-of-new-apostolic-reformation/

 The “Big Owe”

http://gitardood.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/50/

 A Call for the Discerning of Spirits in This End-Time Revival

http://www.gillministries.com/PDF%20files/CALL-DIS-web.pdf

 Coming Christian wealth transfer or an ongoing third wave demon transfer?

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/2008/07/20/coming-christian-wealth-transfer-or-an-ongoing-third-wave-demon-transfer.html

 End Time Prophetic

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/

 Miracle Outreach Ministries

http://patholliday.com/

 The All Sufficient Christ

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11351343/Sufficient-Christ

 Moriel Online sermons

http://www.moriel.org/Teaching/Sermons.html

 Evangelist Gordon Williams

http://www.gordwilliams.com/

 Bi- Sexual Felon Or Hero – Jim Bakker?

http://www.christiannews.0catch.com/bakker.htm

 “House of David/House of Saul”

http://www.moriel.org/Teaching/Online/House_of_David_House_of_Saul/House_of_David-House_of_Saul.pdf

 ECFA IS A JOKE http://walthope.tripod.com/ecfa.htm

 RANDY WHITE  http://walthope.tripod.com/rw.htm

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Did The Pentecostal Prosperity Doctrine And TBN Cause The Financial Crisis?

Posted by Job on October 3, 2008

Foreward: please note that the Bible DOES NOT PROMOTE reckless financial behavior, but quite the contrary promotes hard work, frugality, and conscientiousness. Contrast the ostentatious wealth of King Solomon – who left God for syncretism – with Jesus Christ, who was born in a manger and lived the life of a pauper. And as for you prosperity preacher adherents, well, you wanted to be world changers, right? To take authority and dominion? Well, it looks like you did it. Your doctrines helped cause the international banking crisis that just may set the stage for the anti – Christ to come to power. By the way, sorry for picking on Palin, because TONS of black prosperity doctrine preachers have gotten behind Obama as well. You know, it makes for the perfect conspiracy theory.

All of these Council on Foreign Relations – backed preachers get on TV – especially if they own networks like TBN – or dominate the book publishing market (Left Behind) or even get mainstream publicity (like TD Jakes on the cover of Time Magazine – which ironically published this article ) which exploit the poor with false promises of wealth. Then have the same Council on Foreign Relations – connected politicians (Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, Gingrich at minimum) change the banking laws, requiring/forcing banks to lend to these people. And when the inevitable economic collapse occurs (which by the way was just the result of terrible economic policy dating back to at least Reagan … remember how the Democrats AND Republicans exhorted you to go buy an SUV and invest your retirement accounts in Pets.com in the 1990s … and that speaks nothing of deficit spending and free trade deals with third world countries where people will gladly work for $5 a day) then use it as an excuse to practically nationalize the banking sector and promote economic globalism. If this WASN’T a conspiracy, it certainly played out like one. In any event, now you see how massively evil false doctrines are, and the prosperity doctrine is both false and evil.

Foreclosures: Did God Want You to Get That Mortgage? 

or “God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and blessed me with my first house.” 

Has the so-called Prosperity Gospel turned its followers into some of the most willing participants — and hence, victims — of the current financial crisis? That’s what a scholar of the fast-growing brand of pentecostal Christianity believes. While researching a book on black televangelism, says Jonathan Walton, a religion professor at the University of California Riverside, he realized that Prosperity’s central promise — that God would “make a way” for poor people to enjoy the better things in life — had developed an additional, toxic expression during sub-prime boom. Walton says that this encouraged congregants who got dicey mortgages to believe “God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and blessed me with my first house.” The results, he says, “were disastrous, because they pretty much turned parishioners into prey for greedy brokers.”
Others think he may be right. Says Anthea Butler, an expert in pentecostalism at the University of Rochester in New York state, “The pastor’s not gonna say ‘go down to Wachovia and get a loan’ but I have heard, ‘even if you have a poor credit rating God can still bless you — if you put some faith out there [that is, make a big donation to the church], you’ll get that house, or that car or that apartment.'” Adds J. Lee Grady, editor of the magazine Charisma, “It definitely goes on, that a preacher might say, ‘if you give this offering, God will give you a house. And if they did get the house, people did think that it was an answer to prayer, when in fact it was really bad banking policy.” If so, the situation offers a look at how an native-born faith built partially on American econoic optimism entered into a toxic symbiosis with a pathological market.

Although a type of Pentecostalism, Prosperity theology adds a distinctive layer of supernatural positive thinking. Adherents will reap rewards if they prove their faith to God by contributing heavily to their churches, remaining mentally and verbally upbeat, and concentrating on divine promises of worldly bounty supposedly strewn throughout the bible. Critics call it a thinly disguised pastor-enrichment scam. Other experts, like Walton, note that for all its faults, it can empower people who have been taught to see themselves as financially or even culturally useless to feel they are “worthy of having more and doing more and being more.” (Sure, if you forget about the Bible says that the Holy Spirit, God the Father,and Jesus Christ are supposed to comfort and reassure us. Blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.) In some cases the philosophy has matured with its practitioners, encouraging good financial habits and entrepreneurship.

But Walton suggests that a decade’s worth of ever-easier credit acted like drug in Prosperity’s bloodstream. “The economic boom 90’s and financial over-extensions of the new millennium contributed to the success of the prosperity message,” he wrote recently. And not positively. “Narratives of how ‘God blessed me with my first house despite my credit’ were common. Sermons declaring ‘it’s your season to overflow’ supplanted messages of economic sobriety,” and “little attention was paid to.. the dangers of using one’s home equity as an ATM to subsidize cars, clothes and vacations.”

With the bubble burst, Walton and Butler assume that prosperity congregants have taken a disproportionate hit, and are curious as to how their churches will respond. Butler thinks that some of the flashier ministries will shrink along with their congregants’ fortunes. Says Walton, “You would think that the current economic conditions would undercut their theology.” But he predicts they will perservere, since God’s earthly largesse is just as attractive when one is behind the economic eight ball.

A recently posted testimony by a congregant at the Brownsville Assembly of God near Pensacola, Fla., seems to confirm his intuition. Brownsville is not even a classic Prosperity congregation — it relies more on the anointing of its pastors than on scriptural promises of God. But the believer’s note to his minister illustrates how magical thinking can prevail even after the mortgage blade has dropped. “Last Sunday,” it read, “You said if anyone needed a miracle to come up. So I did. I was receiving foreclosure papers, so I asked you to anoint a picture of my home and you did and your wife joined with you in prayer as I cried. I went home feeling something good was going to happen. On Friday the 5th of September I got a phone call from my mortgage company and they came up with a new payment for the next 3 months of only $200. My mortgage is usually $1020. Praise God for his Mercy & Grace.”

And pray that the credit market doesn’t tighten any further.

Some videos that speak of the error of these doctrines.

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CNN: Believer Bitter Over Prosperity Teachings

Posted by Job on July 5, 2008

See this story which Slice of Laodicea directed me to. 

The message flickered into Cindy Fleenor’s living room each night: Be faithful in how you live and how you give, the television preachers said, and God will shower you with material riches. And so the 53-year-old accountant from the Tampa, Florida, area pledged $500 a year to Joyce Meyer, the evangelist whose frank talk about recovering from childhood sexual abuse was so inspirational. She wrote checks to flamboyant faith healer Benny Hinn and a local preacher-made-good, Paula White.

Only the blessings didn’t come. Fleenor ended up borrowing money from friends and payday loan companies just to buy groceries. At first she believed the explanation given on television: Her faith wasn’t strong enough.

“I wanted to believe God wanted to do something great with me like he was doing with them,” she said. “I’m angry and bitter about it. Right now, I don’t watch anyone on TV hardly.”

All three of the groups Fleenor supported are among six major Christian television ministries under scrutiny by a senator who is asking questions about the evangelists’ lavish spending and possible abuses of their tax-exempt status.

The probe by Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, has brought new scrutiny to the underlying belief that brings in millions of dollars and fills churches from Atlanta to Los Angeles — the “Gospel of Prosperity,” or the notion that God wants to bless the faithful with earthly riches.

All six ministries under investigation preach the prosperity gospel to varying degrees.

Proponents call it a biblically sound message of hope. Others say it is a distortion that makes evangelists rich and preys on the vulnerable. They say it has evolved from “it’s all right to make money” to it’s all right for the pastor to drive a Bentley, live in an oceanside home and travel by private jet. “More and more people are desperate and grasping at straws and want something that will alleviate their pain or financial crisis,” said Michael Palmer, dean of the divinity school at Regent University, founded by Pat Robertson. “It’s a growing problem.”

The modern-day prosperity movement can largely be traced back to evangelist Oral Roberts’ teachings. Roberts’ disciples have spread his theology and vocabulary (Roberts and other evangelists, such as Meyer, call their donors “partners.”) And several popular prosperity preachers, including some now under investigation, have served on the Oral Roberts University board.

Grassley is asking the ministries for financial records on salaries, spending practices, private jets and other perks. The investigation, coupled with a financial scandal at ORU that forced out Roberts’ son and heir, Richard, has some wondering whether the prosperity gospel is facing a day of reckoning.

While few expect the movement to disappear, the scrutiny could force greater financial transparency and oversight in a movement known for secrecy.

Most scholars trace the origins of prosperity theology to E.W. Kenyon, an evangelical pastor from the first half of the 20th century.

But it wasn’t until the postwar era — and a pair of evangelists from Tulsa, Oklahoma — that “health and wealth” theology became a fixture in Pentecostal and charismatic churches.

Oral Roberts and Kenneth Hagin — and later, Kenneth Copeland — trained tens of thousands of evangelists with a message that resonated with an emerging middle class, said David Edwin Harrell Jr., a Roberts biographer. Copeland is among those now being investigated.

“What Oral did was develop a theology that made it OK to prosper,” Harrell said. “He let Pentecostals be faithful to the old-time truths their grandparents embraced and be part of the modern world, where they could have good jobs and make money.”

The teachings took on various names — “Name It and Claim It,” “Word of Faith,” the prosperity gospel.

Prosperity preachers say that it isn’t all about money — that God’s blessings extend to health, relationships and being well-off enough to help others.

They have Bible verses at the ready to make their case. One oft-cited verse, in Paul’s Second Epistle to the Corinthians, reads: “Yet for your sakes he became poor, that you by his poverty might become rich.”

Critics acknowledge the idea that God wants to bless his followers has a Biblical basis, but say prosperity preachers take verses out of context. The prosperity crowd also fails to acknowledge Biblical accounts that show God doesn’t always reward faithful believers, Palmer said.

The Book of Job is a case study in piety unrewarded, and a chapter in the Book of Hebrews includes a litany of believers who were tortured and martyred, Palmer said.

Yet the prosperity gospel continues to draw crowds, particularly lower- and middle-income people who, critics say, have the greatest motivation and the most to lose. The prosperity message is spreading to black churches, attracting elderly people with disposable incomes, and reaching huge churches in Africa and other developing parts of the world.

One of the teaching’s attractions is that it doesn’t dwell on traditional Christian themes of heaven and hell but on answering pressing concerns of the here and now, said Brian McLaren, a liberal evangelical author and pastor.

But the prosperity gospel, McLaren said, not only preys on the hope of the vulnerable, it puts too much emphasis on individual success and happiness.

“We’ve pretty much ignored what the Bible says about systemic injustice,” he said.

The checks and balances central to Christian denominations are largely lacking in prosperity churches. One of the pastors in the Grassley probe, Bishop Eddie Long of suburban Atlanta, has written that God told him to get rid of the “ungodly governmental structure” of a deacon board.

Some ministers hold up their own wealth as evidence that the teaching works. Atlanta-area pastor Creflo Dollar, who is fighting Grassley’s inquiry, owns a Rolls Royce and multimillion-dollar homes and travels in a church-owned Learjet.

In a letter to Grassley, Dollar’s attorney calls the prosperity gospel a “deeply held religious belief” grounded in Scripture and therefore a protected religious freedom. Grassley has said his probe is not about theology.

But even some prosperity gospel critics — like the Rev. Adam Hamilton of 15,000-member United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in suburban Kansas City, Missouri — say that the investigation is entering a minefield.

“How do you determine how much money a minister like this is able to make when the basic theology is that wealth is OK?” said Hamilton, an Oral Roberts graduate who later left the charismatic movement. “That gets into theological questions.”

There is evidence of change. Joyce Meyer Ministries, for one, enacted financial reforms in recent years, including making audited financial statements public.

Meyer, who has promised to cooperate fully with Grassley, issued a statement emphasizing that a prosperity gospel “that solely equates blessing with financial gain is out of balance and could damage a person’s walk with God.”

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Why Is Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Angry?

Posted by Job on May 29, 2008

Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship – the home of the liars and perjurers including John Arnott and Steve Long – are upset for being exposed for what they truly are sons of disobedience and sons of hell  and are taking at least one former member to court contrary to scriptures to protest about his books which are too hot for them to handle!

 They are also upset because this former member has asked  “So for the good of all Canadians and the rule of law, the Honorable Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, through the different Canadian Government agencies, should order an immediate investigation of this nonprofit charity Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and ensure that it’s nonprofit corporation status be revoked especially as the executives of TACF have used the charity to pay off their mortgages and purchase luxury cars tax free. See http://www.fstdt.com/forums/thread.aspx?t=15245 and http://cnt10c.tripod.com/tb.htm

 They are also upset because this former member has asked the government authorities to investigate why it is okay for TACF Vice President Steve Long to publically solicit by mail for tax free funds to pay off TACF President John Arnott mortgage but  not publically solicit by mail to pay for this former member mortgage as well as all his legal costs as a result of TACF nonprofit charity suing this former member because he blew the whistle on their crimes, thievery, hypocrisy, lies, perjury, sins, etc.

 It’s also amazing that we have operating freely in Toronto Canada,  liars, perjurers and thieves in Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship including John Arnott and Steve Long with impunity or without rebuke from anybody about their financial crimes, their hate crimes, lies and perjury!

But it’s not amazing that these scoundrels, liars, and perjurers would not submit  as per “The order of Justice James H. Clarke of  January 15, 2008” which stated “ THIS COURT ORDERS THAT the Defendants shall serve on the Plaintiff by email and file their Statement of Defense within ten days,”  a Statement of Defense to this former member regarding his $100 million dollar Lawsuit Court File No: 6447/07 filed in Milton, Ontario, with the Superior Court of Ontario and now revised to $ 300 million.

 And if this Christian nonprofit charity TACF and its executives John Arnott and Steve Long can defy and ignore the order of  Justice James H. Clarke and do whatever they want so can every other Canadian.  Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship sets by its example that any Christian can be lawless, liars, thieves, and perjurers and not respect the rule of law!

 So read

 Liars and Perjurers in Revival  http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf

Not Innocent”  http://crooksag.tripod.com/crooks.pdf

Betrayal by Supergods  http://supergods.tripod.com/betrayal.pdf

Apostasy http://supergods.tripod.com/apostasy.pdf

 Also check out 

Todd Bentley http://lionsmouth.tripod.com/todd.pdf

Third Wave Exposed http://cnt10.tripod.com/thirdwave.pdf

The False Prophets” Oral and Richard Roberts http://cnt10c.tripod.com/or.htm

“The Fleecer” Rodney Howard Browne  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/rodney.htm

“The Charlatan” Karl Strader  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/strader.htm

The Losers Randy and Paul White http://cnt10d.tripod.com/rw.htm

Down in Flames  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/rc.htm

The liar and thief Benny Hinn http://cnt10d.tripod.com/hinn.htm

“The felon” Jim Bakker http://cnt10d.tripod.com/bakker.htm

 “The Bishop” http://cnt10d.tripod.com/blong.htm

Evangelical Council of Financial Accountability  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/ecfa.htm

 “The Thieving CEO” Billy Graham http://cnt10.tripod.com/graham.htm

The Pentecostal God Fraud http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion/pentecostal/godfraud.shtml

Why is Pentecostalism a danger for Christianity?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Critics-Protestantism-3427/Pentecostal-danger-Christianity.htm

TODD BENTLEY AND THE FLORIDA REVIVAL EXPOSED

http://www.cristianismobiblico.com/bentleyexposed.htm

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Fox News Asks Whether Virginia Tech Shooter Cho Seung-Hui Was Demon Possessed

Posted by Job on April 19, 2007

See this link. The article was WAY TOO SHORT, but other than that one cannot find any problems with it. Fox News gave first crack to the fundamentalist/charismatic Christian camp, which was represented (somewhat regrettably) Dr. Richard Roberts, who, like me yesterday screamed “YES!” Why do I say “regrettably”? Because there were better people that they could have picked (i.e. Frank Peretti) to represent the branch of Christianity that believes in spiritual warfare. Why do I say “somewhat?” Because, well, there are also much much worse. Next, the article spoke to a rabbinic Jew, who claimed not to believe in spiritual evil, but only man’s evil. Which, of course, denies all of the references to evil spirits in the Old Testament and in Jewish written and oral tradition before Yeshua HaMashiach came into the world, including the specific Messianic prophecy (that appears only in Jewish tradition and is not in the Christian Bible) that the Moshiach would be able to cast demons out of mute people. Before the Moshiach, rabbis were able to cast demons out only if they were able to force the demon to speak through the person and tell its name, allowing the rabbi to address the demon by name to tell it to leave. Yeshua HaMashiach was not only able to cast demons out while not suffering them to speak, but cast demons out of those who could not speak. Of course, their ability to do this was based on the power that God have to natural Israel under the Old Covenant. Once the Old Covenant was fulfilled in Yeshua HaMashiach’s birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension, they would have had to have accept Yeshua HaMashiach as their Messiah, Lord, and God not only to gain the increased power of the New Covenant by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but also to prevent from losing the power that they had under the Old Covenant. So, since their faithlessness and rebellion caused them to lose the ability to deal with evil spirits that Christians now demonstrated, they had to revise their religious teachings to deny the existence of spiritual evil altogether. (I feel that it is important to point out that not all rabbinic Jews deny evil spirits … Rabbi Peter Rubenstein practices Reform Judaism which does not hold scripture to be inerrant, literally true, or final authority, making them no different from similar Christians who do not believe in them either.) Next they give time to the views of an atheist, no need for much comment there other than they were able to find one who “appreciates how religion first understood evil and created rules to combat it.” While that may warm the heart of certain worldly legalism – loving “religious right” Christians, hopefully true fundamentalists will cringe at his viewing Christianity as morals, values, rules, etc. rather than a spiritual personal relationship through faith.

Finally the article got to good old Robert Schuller, the leader of inoffensive nonthreatening Purpose Driven Power of Positive Thinking Contemplative New Age seeker driven man centered “Christianity.” His response: even if Satan (or more accurately evil spirits) WERE a cause or a contributing factor, “I am not going to give them credit for it.” That’s right Reverend. Deny spiritual truth from the Word of God – and spiritual truth that you yourself acknowledge is very likely true – just because it makes people feel better. It isn’t about equipping people for battle against these spirits to try to stand against these horrors and the worse to come. It isn’t about helping your members deal with the divorces, abortions, low self – esteem, false burdens, gossiping, lying, homosexuality, pornography/alcohol/gambling addictions, etc. that are reaching epidemic proportions in the church: about telling them that do not worry, they are still saved, they should not accept guilt/shame/condemnation but instead have faith in the power of God’s Love and Grace to expose and deliver them from demonic oppression. No, it is all about reassuring the people. Filling them with “positive good feelings.” Helping them to paper over and repress their legitimate emotions over a culture, nation, and world spiraling out of control in so many ways with homilies and platitudes.

It would have been interesting to see what the mainstream and liberal denominations would have had to say about demonic possession in the Cho Seung-Hui case and similar, but hey, we will take what we can get in the major media on this topic, and that means accepting Richard Roberts’ advocating our side too.

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