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Todd Bentley Occult Revivals In Florida Gaining National Mainstream Media Attention

Posted by Job on May 29, 2008

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“Holy Spirit fall! God is here! We want more! More, more, more!” That’s what Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley yells out nearly every evening to the thousands who gather to hear him preach. (Reminds me of how during the Azusa Street revivals, people used to yell and scream at and demand God to give them the baptism of the Holy Spirit so that they could speak in tongues. Pardon me, but the Bible says that God is our sovereign Lord and as such we are supposed to approach the Lord with fear and trembling and make requests of Him, not demands.)

Not everyone is comfortable with this expression of Christianity, including some Protestant theologians. R. Douglas Geivett, a professor at the CONSERVATIVE, evangelical Talbot School of Theology, is deeply skeptical of the “Florida outpouring” and does not believe Bentley’s claims of supernatural healing are consistent with Christian doctrine. “I don’t think it fits neatly into any branch of Christianity,” said Geivett. “Mr. Bentley’s worldview appears to be a mixture of New Age notions, an obsession with the paranormal, and an untutored grasp of Christian theology.” (What has the world come to that not wanting your Christianity mixed with New Age and paranormal mysticism makes you CONSERVATIVE? The spirit of anti – Christ is very much on the march, people!)

Still, what seems to be drawing all these people of varying ages, ethnicities, and classes is a clear hunger for what Bentley’s meetings are offering: the hope of healing and some sort of touch from God. (And not the message of Jesus Christ crucified, or of being a servant. It is all about what God can do for you. Remember when Jesus Christ got angry at the people when they kept demanding that He perform signs and miracles on demand? “Just work one more sign and wonder, Jesus of Nazareth, and THEN we will believe that you are the Messiah. Forget about all of the other miracles that you have been doing for all of these months, things that if they were written down there would not be enough books in the world to contain them. Why? Because you did those miracles according to your own desire and initiative. We only want a Messiah that will obey US and do what WE want Him to do!” People, this is why Corinthians says that sign gifts are for the unbelieving and not for the believers. Believers are fully confident that God exists, they know that God regularly and continuously makes Himself known to all people through creation and general revelation, and that they can encounter God – they touch God and God touches them – through regular reading of the Bible, and in praise, worship, devotion, and service to God. Faith is the substance of things not seen, because if you could plainly see – or feel! – it, then you wouldn’t need faith. And if you had true faith, such mighty impressive things would be of no consequence, because you would reason with the mind that God gave you that if God sent His own Son to save the elect, then healing someone or causing someone to speak in unknown tongues is actually a small work that pales by comparison. These folks want to see – and feel – things that impress their flesh because they doubt the true nature of the miracle of the Incarnation – the God that exists outside of creation that heavens cannot contain existing in a specific place and time as a man – and since they doubt it they cannot fathom it. This is not to speak against miracles – for I have certainly experienced more than a few in my short life! – but for people who have actual faith, A. they do not have a “car accident rubbernecking” fascination with or desire to chase after miracles and B. the focus of their faith is not miracles, dreams, visions, etc. but Jesus Christ as revealed through the Bible. For the faithful, miracles STRENGTHEN their conviction to follow Biblical Christianity. For the FAITHLESS, however, they will abandon Biblical Christianity in a heartbeat to follow anyone who works a miracle.)

In many instances, Bentley places his hands on someone’s head or area of infirmity and cries out for the power of God to descend. In response, some people may stand and physically tremble, while others may literally fall down to the ground in what they call “falling under the power” of the Holy Spirit. (And cries out for the power of God to descend? Is this supposed to be analogous to Elijah praying to God to send down fire in 1 Kings 18:1-46? Jesus Christ would heal people simply by spoken command, and His disciples and apostles did so also with the spoken command in the Name of Jesus Christ. Scripture does not record anyone that Jesus Christ or His servants healing then falling down under the power of the Holy Spirit. If that would have happened to anyone, it would have been the very frail woman who touched the hem of Christ’s garment. Of course, had she done so, Jesus Christ would not have had to ask “who touched me”, for it would have been obvious … the woman “slain in the spirit”, prostrated on the floor rolling like a log while laughing and barking like a dog! And as for the power of God to descend … under the new covenant we have the power of God within us … the indwelling Holy Spirit which empowers us to work miracles such as healing, prophesying and interpretation, tongues, etc. For Christians, the power of God comes not down from above at special occasions – i.e. at our command – but resides within us continually. The old covenant was a forerunner of things to come, the new covenant replaced the old and is a superior one based on better promises.)

Bentley’s associates say that this is not a painful experience, but rather one of being physically overcome by the loving presence of God. Anticipating these sorts of responses, one of Bentley’s staff members stands behind each individual to serve as a “catcher” to gently guide the person down to the floor. Skeptics claim this “falling” can be the result of being overcome with emotion or a learned behavior. (Or other skeptics, like me, have legitimate questions as to whether this enterprise is demonic, and I base this on how this does not conform to how Christians are depicted in the Bible, nor does it conform to my own personal experience of healing and spiritual deliverance.)

Erik Thoennes, also a professor from the Talbot School of Theology, offers a more accepting, though still cautious stance, than his colleague Geivett. Thoennes believes many Christians today are open to the idea that God might move in miraculous ways, even if they don’t embrace movements like Bentley’s. (This is the anti – Christ media attempting to pit Thoennes against Geivett. Geivett never spoke against healings, HE ONLY SPOKE AGAINST a mixture of New Age notions, an obsession with the paranormal, and an untutored grasp of Christian theology. In other words, Geivett did not say that God does not heal people, he only spoke against BENTLEY. Thoennes and Geivett actually have basically the same position, and it is one that I share. And I am not even an “evangelical” like them. Geivett, Thoennes, and myself have no problem with signs and wonders happening by people whose practice, doctrines, and actions conform to scripture. It is people like us that the charismania advocates accuse of “putting God in a box” and “trying to limit God.” It is not God that we are trying to limit, but rather it is false doctrines and practices that we are opposing.)

It is curious that MSNBC is being much more tolerant of this healing revival than it is of people who state unequivocally that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and that the Bible is infallible and the final authority in all matters. Claims to be able to heal people – a claim that is present in many religions by the way … in addition to the various Hindu, animist, spiritist, witch doctor, etc. healers see this “John of God” fellow who claims to be possessed by King Solomon, and yes he had a healing revival in America recently – truthfully offends no one. But proclaiming the uniqueness of Jesus Christ, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the sovereignty of God gets one called a dangerous fanatic with extremist divisive beliefs. (And that, mind you, is what many professed Christians will call you!)

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Todd Bentley: The New Simon Magus (Simon The Magician From Acts)

Posted by Job on May 28, 2008

Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire Ministries Research Page
Compiled by Bud Press, Director Christian Research Service

This page contains selected articles, information, and news releases specific to Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire Ministries, and will be updated as new information is made available. Please address your comments and questions to Bud Press at admin@christianresearchservice.com .

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Todd Bentley: Jesus Christ Is Not Supernatural But Angels Are!

Posted by Job on May 23, 2008

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DID TODD BENTLEY ASSOCIATE PAUL CAIN WITHDRAW HIS CONFESSION OF HOMOSEXUALITY?

Posted by Job on May 17, 2008

NOTE – PAUL CAIN IS A SEXUAL PERVERT WHO HAS NOT ADMITTED THAT HE HAS TRULY REPENTED OF HIS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR SEE Paul Cain ‘Totally Misunderstood’ at Lakeland Revival AS A RESULT CHARISMA HAD TO DO SOME FANCY TALKING

Paul Cain ‘Totally Misunderstood’ at Revival

 

Paul Cain stirred controversy last week when he made comments before thousands of worshippers in Lakeland, Fla., that seemed to deny his past moral failings.
 
Paul Cain ‘Totally Misunderstood’ at Revival
[05.13.08] Paul Cain stirred controversy last week when he made comments before thousands of worshippers in Lakeland, Fla., that seemed to deny his past moral failings. The prominent 78-year-old prophetic minister told a crowd at a revival meeting in Lakeland that “allegations” and rumors circulating about him were not true.
 
The comments made many wonder whether, in alluding to his past, Cain was withdrawing his confession from three years ago, when he publicly acknowledged his failings involving alcoholism and homosexualityBut a senior spokesperson affiliated with what’s dubbed the Florida Outpouring told Charisma that Cain was not denying his sins, but instead was attempting to refute any perception that he had not repented of them.
 
“It was unfortunate that Paul said something [May 4] that has now been misunderstood,” said Stephen Strader, senior pastor at Ignited Church, a converted storefront on the north side of Lakeland that traveling evangelist Todd Bentley quickly outgrew after revival broke out on April 2. “Initial reaction to Cain’s statements caused many to believe he was denying [his past sin],” Strader said. “But Paul was referring to the rumors that he had not been restored and had not gone through a restoration process. It was just totally misunderstood.”
 
Three prominent Spirit-filled leaders—Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner and Jack Deere—urged Cain to submit to a specific process of restoration and healing after his dramatic public confession in 2005. But Cain eventually refused their recommendations and was deemed “fully restored” by a somewhat unknown ministry in California. Because the three men were not familiar with the process Cain underwent, Bickle, Joyner and Deere released a statement last year saying: “We cannot say with confidence that this is a genuine restoration.”
 
Strader believes Cain’s restoration could be genuine. “Whether or not we agree with the group that restored him is irrelevant. He feels he’s been restored. Many people feel he’s been restored. We simply invited Paul to be present for when we replayed his prophecy from 1999.” That prophecy, according to Cain’s Web site, involved a vision he had in 1999 where he saw “stadiums being filled in the last days” in Florida. Cain said astonishing miracles would take place and that the impact would eventually be felt globally.
 
“It would be presumptuous for us to say that this is it, but there is every indication that this is it,” Strader said of the prophecy. More than 10,000 people attended meetings each evening last weekend in Lakeland. Venues have included an arena, an open field and a stadium.“This is day 41 and we are now fulfilling that prophecy, not because we wanted to, but because we’ve had to,” he said. “We did not plan to go to a stadium. It never even crossed our mind to go to a stadium. We were forced into a stadium because there wasn’t a large enough facility available to us.
 
“The only thing Paul was invited for was to honor him, honor the gift. We love Paul. He was not invited as a speaker. We honored the man, honored his years of service, and that was it. We did not restore him to ministry or anything.” Though he did not respond to Charisma’s attempt to seek further clarification, the following statement was posted on Cain’s Web site: “The allegations that Paul was referring to on Sunday in Florida as being untrue were simply allegations that he was unrepentant. Paul has repented of any wrongdoing publicly and has been fully forgiven and restored.”
 
Strader told Charisma Cain had a stroke shortly after the incident last week, but is reportedly stable and recovering. Now in its sixth consecutive week, the Florida Outpouring is an ongoing phenomenon of twice-daily revival meetings conducted by Bentley in large venues throughout Lakeland. In addition to reports of miraculous healings and euphoric worship, millions worldwide watching the meetings on GOD TV or the Internet have fueled the revival. Bentley has characterized it as possibly the first “21st century revival.” —PAUL STEVEN GHIRINGHELLI
 

 

 

Prophetic Art re Todd Bentley’s Lakeland Outpouring Healing Revival

A Picture speaks a Thousand Words…..

 

 

AND A LIST OF ALL THE FALSE PROPHETS WHO BELONG TO THE THIRD WAVE MOVEMENT

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ALSO CHECK OUT

Why The Todd Bentley Lakeland Revival Blasphemes The Holy Spirit!

https://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/why-the-todd-bentley-lakeland-revival-blasphemes-the-holy-spirit/

 

“Not Innocent”  http://crooksag.tripod.com/crooks.pdf

 

The Pentecostal God Fraud http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion/pentecostal/godfraud.shtml

 

Why is Pentecostalism a danger for Christianity?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Critics-Protestantism-3427/Pentecostal-danger-Christianity.htm

 

TODD BENTLEY AND THE FLORIDA REVIVAL EXPOSED

http://www.cristianismobiblico.com/bentleyexposed.htm

Evangelist’s Popular Ministry Claims Miraculous Healing

What began as a five-day revival at Ignited Church in Lakeland has become something of a sensation… (April 19, 2008)

Church Wants to Sell Its Sanctuary

LAKELAND | The massive sanctuary of Without Walls Central Church in Lakeland is up for sale, along… (March 6, 2008)

Daniel Strader To Stay In Prison  Lakeland Son of religious leader is serving a 45-year sentence for stealing $3 million from investors…(June 16,2006).

 

Oral Roberts University and Ministries http://www.rickross.com/groups/oru.html

Peniel Pentecostal Church http://www.rickross.com/groups/ppc.html

Jim Bakker http://www.rickross.com/groups/bakker.html

Bill Hamon’s Dangerous Doctrines

http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/bill-hamons-dangerous-doctrines/

 

Copeland, Sen. Grassley continue standoff

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=77170

GRASSLEY SEEKS INFORMATION FROM SIX MEDIA-BASED MINISTRIES

http://finance.senate.gov/press/Gpress/2008/prg031208.pdf

http://grassley.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=15b0ac11-1321-0e36-ba95-dfc2c00db9c2

Without Walls Finances Face Senator’s Scrutiny

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/nov/06/na-without-walls-finances-face-senators-scrutiny/

US televangelists asked again for cooperation in financial probe

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/us.televangelists.asked.again.for.cooperation.in.financial.probe/16339.htm

 

Benny Hinn http://www.rickross.com/groups/bennyhinn.html

Benny Hinn vs Jesus and the apostles?http://www.cultnews.com/?cat=15

CBC documentary on the vile character Benny Hinn http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/main_miracles.html ”

NBC Documentary on Benny Hinn: A Massive Fraud & A Crookhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUyPjeIFKug

 

Star Preachers and the Pressure to be Perfect’ 

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071001/29521_Star_Preachers_and_the_Pressure_to_be_%27Perfect%27.htm

Probe Puts Prosperity Teachings Under Critical Eye http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071229/30682_Probe_Puts_Prosperity_Teachings_Under_Critical_Eye.htm

The Evil Vipers Paula and Rand White http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/05/25/randy_and_paula_white_evil_vipers/

“The Mouth of Lions”  http://lionsmouth.tripod.com/the_mouth_of_lions.pdf

http://lionsmouth.tripod.com/the_mouth_of_lions.htm

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Todd Bentley’s Lakeland Outpouring Healing Revival AND A LIST OF ALL THE FALSE PROPHETS WHO BELONG TO THE THIRD WAVE MOVEMENT

Posted by Job on May 17, 2008

Prophetic Art re Todd Bentley’s Lakeland Outpouring Healing Revival

A Picture speaks a Thousand Words…..Bull Worship

(http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/moviereviews/troy/07_MR_11_d_C81_4.jpg)


AND A LIST OF ALL THE FALSE PROPHETS WHO BELONG TO THE THIRD WAVE MOVEMENT

May 16, 2008 – Posted by endtimespropheticwords | |

ALSO CHECK OUT

 Why did Todd Bentley let Paul Cain lie to millions?

Why The Todd Bentley Lakeland Revival Blasphemes The Holy Spirit!

 

“Not Innocent”  http://crooksag.tripod.com/crooks.pdf

 The Pentecostal God Fraud http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion/pentecostal/godfraud.shtml

 Why is Pentecostalism a danger for Christianity?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Critics-Protestantism-3427/Pentecostal-danger-Christianity.htm

 TODD BENTLEY AND THE FLORIDA REVIVAL EXPOSED

http://www.cristianismobiblico.com/bentleyexposed.htm

Evangelist’s Popular Ministry Claims Miraculous Healing

What began as a five-day revival at Ignited Church in Lakeland has become something of a sensation… (April 19, 2008)

Church Wants to Sell Its Sanctuary

LAKELAND | The massive sanctuary of Without Walls Central Church in Lakeland is up for sale, along… (March 6, 2008)

Daniel Strader To Stay In Prison  Lakeland Son of religious leader is serving a 45-year sentence for stealing $3 million from investors…(June 16,2006).

 Oral Roberts University and Ministries http://www.rickross.com/groups/oru.html

Peniel Pentecostal Church http://www.rickross.com/groups/ppc.html

Jim Bakker http://www.rickross.com/groups/bakker.html

Bill Hamon’s Dangerous Doctrines

http://spiritoferror.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/bill-hamons-dangerous-doctrines/

 Copeland, Sen. Grassley continue standoff

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=77170

GRASSLEY SEEKS INFORMATION FROM SIX MEDIA-BASED MINISTRIES

http://finance.senate.gov/press/Gpress/2008/prg031208.pdf

http://grassley.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=15b0ac11-1321-0e36-ba95-dfc2c00db9c2

Without Walls Finances Face Senator’s Scrutiny

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/nov/06/na-without-walls-finances-face-senators-scrutiny/

US televangelists asked again for cooperation in financial probe

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/us.televangelists.asked.again.for.cooperation.in.financial.probe/16339.htm

 Benny Hinn http://www.rickross.com/groups/bennyhinn.html

Benny Hinn vs Jesus and the apostles? http://www.cultnews.com/?cat=15

CBC documentary on the vile character Benny Hinn http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/main_miracles.html ”

NBC Documentary on Benny Hinn: A Massive Fraud & A Crookhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUyPjeIFKug

 Star Preachers and the Pressure to be Perfect’ 

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071001/29521_Star_Preachers_and_the_Pressure_to_be_%27Perfect%27.htm

Probe Puts Prosperity Teachings Under Critical Eye http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071229/30682_Probe_Puts_Prosperity_Teachings_Under_Critical_Eye.htm

The Evil Vipers Paula and Randy White http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/05/25/randy_and_paula_white_evil_vipers/

“The Mouth of Lions”  http://lionsmouth.tripod.com/the_mouth_of_lions.pdf

http://lionsmouth.tripod.com/the_mouth_of_lions.htm

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What If Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, And T.D. Jakes Were RACIST?

Posted by Job on April 10, 2008

And Pat Robertson, Robert Schuller, Oral Roberts, the Crouch family, Juanita Bynum, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, and whoever else you wanted to name? Take Paula White in particular, who has (or until very recently HAD) a predominantly black church in Tampa, Florida and has the #1 rated show on Black Entertainment Television. Suppose this women were to start preaching that I.Q. tests have proven blacks to be genetically less intelligent than whites (after a manner of “The Bell Curve”) and that black culture is inferior (after Dinesh D’Souza’s “The End of Racism). Suppose that she were to say that she supports the Confederate flag, that her ancestors were slaveowners and that she was proud of that fact, and that the nation was better off from segregation because it protected whites – especially women like her – from black crime, the inevitable product of lowered black IQ and of inferior black culture. And that our low IQs and inferior cultures are due to our being the cursed descendants of Ham/Canaan, and that America had tried to remove the effects of the curse with slavery, generous welfare and social spending, affirmative action, etc. but it is just impossible for man to undo what God has declared. And so on. Would her black parishioners leave (not to mention a good percentage of the white ones)? Would she remain on TBN and the other Christian broadcasting networks, to speak nothing of BET?

Of course not. So then, why are these same people so forgiving when it comes to pastors that commit adultery (and this includes GETTING DIVORCED AND REMARRYING, READ Matthew 19:9), who steal, cheat, lie, preach false doctrines, and violate so many other things that the Bible plainly says (including that women cannot preach!) on a regular basis? It is simple: worldliness. The world has declared racism to be one of the greatest and most unforgivable evils of human history. So the person that commits racism is not to be tolerated in any context. But disobey the Bible? Who cares! That person is still called by God and has a powerful ministry and anointing! Consider their fruits, all the people that they have gotten saved and their works of charity! Instead of tearing them down, causing division, and making the church look bad, pray and ask that God restore them! Touch not mine anointed and do my prophet no harm! And pull the beam out of your own eye before you pluck the mote out of Brother (or Sister) Pulpit Pimp, thus saith the sheeple! (I hate both terms, but that is what they are.)

Are you aware that one of the books in the Bible is named after a slave owner? Philemon is the name. Yet if a pastor owned slaves in this day and time, virtually no one would sit in his church. Yet at any given time you can find any number of convicted felons, sex perverts, and blaspheming heretics running their synagogues of Satan any which way they choose, and instead of saying “hey, this wickedness is just what the Bible warns against in Revelation 2 and 3 and in other places”, folks are much faster to “prophesy” against the people that actually care about what the Bible says. Well, if the followers of these preachers don’t care if their pastors obey the Bible, how on earth can they criticize the unsaved for not doing so? On what basis will the unsaved be condemned? You say “Well, the Bible says that believing in Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven.” You mean, the same Bible that you IGNORE when it says that Christianity is not for getting rich, and that we are to prefer the poor over the rich instead of the other way around? The same Bible that you IGNORE when it reveals the reality of Trinity? The same Bible that you IGNORE when it says that not everyone will speak in tongues, that “sign gifts” are not to be used as evidence of salvation, and that “slain in the spirit” is confusion to be banned from the church? Or that we are not to follow or fellowship with those who reject sound doctrine? And so on? If you are not going to judge YOURSELF by what the Bible says regarding those things, how can you use that same Bible to hold someone’s not accepting Jesus Christ over their heads?

For instance, Carlton Pearson’s congregation up and left when the fellow started advocating universalism. But what about all of the other false doctrines that this fellow from the Oral Roberts school of Word of Faith/prosperity/confusion was espousing? I suppose that is where such Christians draw the line. The notion that you can get to heaven without believing in Jesus Christ offends them, because they still want to be better than everybody else. They still want to be special. They want to be able to claim to be a peculiar people, blessed and highly favored, anointed, a royal priesthood, and all of those things for themselves, but not give them away to anybody else. But this is the issue: THEY DO NOT WANT TO OBEY THE BIBLE IN ORDER TO BE AND RECEIVE THOSE THINGS. So, these same people who beg for tolerance and forgiveness on behalf of their pastors and themselves for claiming to believe in Jesus Christ while not obeying Him are denying that same tolerance and forgiveness to everyone else. Ones such as those, people, are the real hypocrites, and the Bible itself says that people like that will be judged most harshly of all.

So if hearing that Eddie Long, Creflo Dollar, John Hagee, and Jamal – Harrison Bryant are no better than Ku Klux Klansmen offends you, well I am sorry, but it is still true. The folks who followed the Ku Klux Klan will get the same reward as the people who follow these false preachers on judgment day, and unless you turn aside from these wicked men and women and start seeking after God’s righteousness, all of you spiritual Klansmen will spend an eternity in the lake of fire together! Do not let the standards of the world determine what is acceptable for your pastor, for your church, or for you. Instead, allow the Bible to determine it. Rest assured, there is no excuse for not doing your level best to submit yourself to the standard of the Bible, or for following pastors and fellowshipping with others that refuse to.

Those who hear the shepherd (Jesus Christ) and follow His voice (the Bible) will be saved. All else are not His sheep will perish. But for a lot of you, it would be so much better were some tape of your favorite Pulpit Pimp railing against blacks (or whites), Jews, Asians, etc. were to be found to prove that these people were never called by God and are not following Him, since hearing these people all but come out and deny Jesus Christ with their very lips is not sufficient. Oh but that it were that simple, but it appears that for a lot of you it is precisely that sort of thing that it will take, because for you the Bible itself is just not good enough. The Three Step Salvation Plan

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The Brain Of A Typical False Preacher!

Posted by Job on March 29, 2008

This may seem harsh, but it is utterly Biblical! I have “adapted” this from Spiritual Pathways Ministries, who used it to refer to a specific false preacher, but when you realize how the Bible describes the depravity of false preachers and their followers,  the shoe fits them all, so I am going to make them all wear it!

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The specific areas in mind are:

ATTENTION SPAN: If you will notice that cranial area is small. That is the attention they pay to what the Bible actually says, and also the attention that they pay to the words and example of Christians that are actually trying to understand and obey the Bible. Another more medical term for it is lip service and false preachers have plenty of lip.

AVOID PERSONAL QUESTIONS AT ALL COST AREA: This part of the false preacher’s brain functioning is on full alert as they avoids personal questions and accountability to the Bible like the plague. Plague albeit is a good term for their peaching style.

LAME EXCUSES GLAND: This gland is in full operation daily for false preachers (and their followers) as they attempts to justify all sorts of crazy things which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt as to perverted their brain really are and what low energy flow they have. How they (and their supporters) justifies their false doctrines and evil actions  and then peddles it to the world is beyond me.

DANGEROUS PURSUITS AREA: This area of false preacher and follower – or to some vernacular favored by some the pulpit pimp and the sheeple – provides evidence for crazy behavior. The reckless abandon of common sense is evident to all who know the Bible (and even those that have some general idea of morality and propriety by way of God’s common grace) and brain surgery may allow them to lessen their reign of terror upon people.

SEX, SEX: Modern day Christians that defile themselves with the doctrines of Baal, Belial, Jezebel, etc. by following false preachers are known for their shockingly carnal mindset and actions. Is there any wonder why rates of adultery, abortion, divorce, etc. are as high among churchgoers as they are among the regular population? Further, popular preachers and Chri$tian entertainer$ are now routinely selling sexuality for fame and profit: see our series sex sells especially in the church for only part of it! Another ministry as a Christian Erotica section that talks about it even more.

I am sure you will agree that the functioning of the false preacher and false preacher disciple brain explains a lot. Whatever it lacks I’m quite sure that the Lame Excuses Gland will make up for it in abundance. I suppose I could sum up by labeling all this Cranial Crapola. All this comes about by having a reprobate mind (Romans 1:28) to do all those things that are not fitting. It should also be noted that it was God who gave them over to this reprobate mind. For the longest time the brains of – again to use the common vernacular – pulpit pimps and their sheeple have “Become futile in his thoughts and his foolish heart was darkened” Romans 1:21.

Yes, I’m afraid that false preachers and their followers do need some brain surgery to remove many unnecessary functions. I pity the poor surgeon that has to do that task.

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They Just Don’t Get It: Joyce Meyer Supporters

Posted by Job on December 21, 2007

From Theology Today:

They Just Don’t Get It!

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Kenneth Copeland Video: Jesus Christ Had To Be Born Again

Posted by Job on December 15, 2007

This heresy that Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, (all of whom just happen to be under investigation by Senator Charles Grassley, who incidentally supports Mitt Romney) and other famous Word of Faith teachers, Jesus Christ being born again, is called adoptionism, that Jesus Christ progressed to godhood. Mormons, if you might recall, have a very aggressive version of this doctrine that was rejected by the church in 268 AD when Paul of Samosata introduced it out of his belief that Jesus Christ could not have incarnated as flesh because of the dominant Greek pagan (Plato) doctrine in the culture of the time that spirit was good and matter was evil, and so the two cannot mix. Interestingly enough, that is the same reason why Roman Catholics claim that “Virgin” Mary had to have been immaculately conceived and never sinned … that Jesus Christ could not have been carried by the womb of a woman born in sin. That, incidentally, was the same position of Paul of Samosata.

Back to Mormonism, since Copeland, Price, Meyer, Dollar, and many others – in addition to claiming to be “little gods” through their perversion Psalm 82:6 of out of context (I am grateful for Bob George of Realanswers.net answering my email regarding this question back when I was still a Word of Faither), all that is required is to claim that God the Father also was a man who became God and the concept of pre – existence, which was given to us by Origen (who fans of Joseph Smith the prophet with 33 wives, some of them already married to other men, lived long after the time that the church supposedly fell into complete apostasy and took the teachings on pre – existence with it).

Courtesy of The Heresy Hunter.

From Crackle: Kenneth Copeland Jesus Christ Had To Be Born Again

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Mainstream Media Exposes Joyce Meyer: She Received MILLIONS

Posted by Job on November 6, 2007

I did not originate this content, but it is taken from melton on the topix.net forums!

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God’s Word commands us to expose false Apostles, Prophets and Teachers. I am aware that this subject will be uncomfortable to many, as it was to me when I became aware of it.

We live one hour south of ST. Louis Missouri. Joyce Meyer Ministries is located in ST. Louis, and there is a repulsion and disgust for her extravagant lifestyle here.

Joyce Meyer has been in trouble for violating federal tax exempt status laws. For any non for profit business or ministry to be classified as tax exempt, they must meet certain standards. There is a cap on the salaries of employees or ministers. There is also a limit to the amount of possession’s the ministry can own. Joyce Meyer ministries as also been investigated for income tax evasion. They have battled with Jefferson County over this for quite some time.

Joyce Meyer’s attorneys advised her to sell some of their homes and reduce her salary in order to avoid prosecution. She shifted her money around in order to accomplish this.

Below is an excerpt from the ST. Louis Post Dispatch newspaper.

The ministry’s board of trustees, which is headed by Joyce Meyer, agreed to pay
her a $900,000 annual salary in 2002 and 2003.

The board agreed to give her husband, Dave Meyer, the board’s vice president,
an annual salary of $450,000 in each of those same two years.

The board agreed to provide the couple with free personal use of a corporate
jet and luxury cars, a $2 million home where all bills are paid by the ministry
and a separate $50,000-a-year housing allowance.

The ministry paid $1.475 million to buy three houses for the three Meyer
children.

The board authorized Joyce and Dave Meyer to control a $790,000 fund to be used
at their discretion for bonuses to “executive management.”

The job duties of seven employees of the ministry include sorting gifts
“personally received” for Joyce and David Meyer, including cash and jewelry.

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TV evangelist Joyce Meyer and her family have received millions in salary and
benefits from her worldwide ministry in recent years, according to newly
released records.

The documents, obtained by the Post-Dispatch under Missouri’s Open Records
laws, provide the first public look at how the worldwide broadcasting and
publishing empire has compensated Meyer and her family.

They paint a picture of a minister and her family who have reaped large
financial rewards from the ministry they created and control. Over 20 years,
Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton has grown to a $90 million-a-year empire with
TV and radio programs that reach millions of people in about 70 countries.

Among the details included in the financial statements, board minutes and other
documents Meyer provided to the assessor of Jefferson County in a dispute over
the tax-exempt status of its headquarters property:

The ministry’s board of trustees, which is headed by Joyce Meyer, agreed to pay
her a $900,000 annual salary in 2002 and 2003.

The board agreed to give her husband, Dave Meyer, the board’s vice president,
an annual salary of $450,000 in each of those same two years.

The board agreed to provide the couple with free personal use of a corporate
jet and luxury cars, a $2 million home where all bills are paid by the ministry
and a separate $50,000-a-year housing allowance.

The ministry paid $1.475 million to buy three houses for the three Meyer
children.

The board authorized Joyce and Dave Meyer to control a $790,000 fund to be used
at their discretion for bonuses to “executive management.”

The job duties of seven employees of the ministry include sorting gifts
“personally received” for Joyce and David Meyer, including cash and jewelry.

Meyer, a former bookkeeper who has built one of the world’s largest television
ministries, has faced criticism from watchdog groups and the Jefferson County
assessor in recent years.

Federal law bars founders of tax-exempt religious organizations from reaping
huge personal benefits from their ministries. Salaries of religious leaders
must be reasonable, meaning they must fall in line with those of other
religious leaders in the area, according to the law.

Joyce and Dave Meyer declined through a spokesman to be interviewed for this
article. Ministry spokesman Mark Sutherland scheduled a news conference at the
Fenton headquarters Friday after the Post-Dispatch posed questions regarding
the Meyer family members’ salaries and perks. He said Meyer was holding a
three-day religious event in Hershey, Pa.

Sutherland noted that Meyer has never denied getting a hefty salary.

“We believe that the Bible teaches that if you give, you will be blessed,”
Sutherland said. “She’s been saying it from the stage for years.”

Sutherland said a Post-Dispatch investigation in late 2003 that raised
questions about the ministry’s spending prompted Meyer to take a reduced annual
salary beginning last year. He said she currently receives $250,000 in taxable
income.

The ministry still provides the Meyers with free use of the home, the cars, the
plane and an $80,000 annual retirement contribution, he said.

Meyer also receives a portion of the $3 million a year in royalties earned from
books and tapes sold at bookstores, Sutherland said. He declined to provide a
specific figure. Previously, that money had gone to the ministry, he said.

Sutherland said that Meyer provided more in royalties to the ministry over the
years than she and her husband had received in salaries and benefits. Meyer has
70 books in print, including one on the New York Times bestseller list.

Critics say that Meyer should not personally be receiving royalties because
workers paid by the ministry help to produce the books and tapes.

Setting salaries, perks

Copies of minutes from ministry board meetings in 2001 and 2002 indicate that
Joyce and Dave Meyer participated in board meetings where their salaries and
perks were approved. Minutes also show that three of the children, who are also
board members, sat in on votes when the board approved the purchase of homes
for them.

Sutherland said Friday that neither Joyce Meyer nor her husband nor the
children ever voted as board members at those meetings. He said such votes are
barred by a 1996 federal law.

The minutes prepared by the board’s secretary describe the family members as
attending and that the votes were unanimous. They do not reflect that anyone
abstained from a vote.

Sutherland said Friday that he could not explain the apparent discrepancy.

In recent years, the ministry’s board has ranged in size from eight to 11
members – Joyce and Dave Meyer, two or three of their children, personal
friends and pastors.

Sutherland said that an “independent compensation board” within that group sets
the Meyers’ salaries. No family members are part of the compensation committee,
he said.

The full board meets once a year to act on the committee’s salary
recommendations, he said. “Dave and Joyce are not even in the board meeting
when their salary is voted on,” Sutherland said.

All four of Joyce and Dave Meyer’s children have been paid salaries by the
ministry as have their spouses.

According to tax records for 2003, the ministry paid one son, David Meyer,
$101,076; another son, Daniel Meyer, $49,453 and daughter Laura Holtzmann, who
works part time, $14,250. In 2001, another daughter, Sandra McCollom, was paid
$50,203.

The ministry also paid son David Meyer a $10,000-a-year housing allowance in
2002 and 2003, even though he lived in the ministry home free of charge,
records show.

Sutherland on Friday declined to provide the current salaries of the Meyer
children.

The Post-Dispatch reported last month that the ministry has put up for sale the
homes lived in by daughter McCollom and her family and by David Meyer and his
family. McCollum’s is selling for $1.3 million and David Meyer’s for $1.25
million. Both adjoin the property where Joyce Meyer lives near Interstate 270
and Gravois Road in south St. Louis County.

Fighting over taxes

Joyce Meyer Ministries has been battling Jefferson County Assessor Randy
Holman for several years to keep its $30 million headquarters and its contents
off the tax rolls.

Holman has maintained that the ministry’s property does not qualify to be tax
exempt.

Under the law, a religious organization can be tax exempt only if its property
is used for the public good and only if public church services are held
regularly at the site, Holman said. Meyer’s headquarters has no public
services; its chapel is used only by the 600 employees who produce and sell
tapes and books, broadcast Meyer’s television program and collect money for the
ministries.

Holman contends that the ministry is a business – the business of selling Joyce
Meyer.

The ministry’s headquarters is on Highway 30 near Fenton. If the headquarters
were removed from the tax rolls, local governments, schools and other agencies
would lose $761,741 this year alone. The ministry says it has separately
donated additional money to schools and other agencies.

Joyce Meyer Ministries has paid its taxes under protest and is appealing
Jefferson County’s actions. The Missouri Tax Commission is expected to hold a
hearing in the coming months.

The ministry’s appeal meant it had to provide the assessor with otherwise
private records – minutes of board meetings, income statements, organizational
charts and employee job descriptions. Once the assessor had them, they became
public under Missouri law.

Holman argues that the Meyer family is personally profiting from the ministry.
The law states that exempt religious property “cannot be held for private or
corporate profit,” he said.

Bolstering his case, Holman said, is Joyce Meyer’s decision last year to begin
getting royalties from the sales of her books and tapes produced by the
ministry.

Holman says that because Meyer’s employees help to write, proofread, edit,
record, advertise and distribute the books, tapes and television program, and
because Meyer is now taking the royalties from their sales, the law bars the
ministry from being tax exempt.

At least 37 workers at the ministry have job duties that include writing or
editing, job descriptions produced by the ministry show. Nearly 90 workers
reproduce and distribute Meyer’s products.

“She’s using the ministry for her own private gain,” Holman said. “That’s the
position we’re taking.”

Records filed with the assessor also show that collecting money and gifts is a
major part of the work at the headquarters. Dozens of workers count the money
streaming in each day. And seven ministry workers spend at least part of their
time keeping track of the personal gifts that go through the ministry to Joyce
and Dave Meyer, according to their job descriptions.

On Friday, Sutherland denied that Meyer accepts any gifts without having them
independently appraised and paying the ministry for them.

Sutherland also disputed Holman’s stance on the ministry’s tax status.

“We feel that since the federal and state governments have told us that we’re
tax-exempt that the local government should honor that,” he said. “No one
should pay taxes they are not required to pay.”

A watchdog group called WallWatchers previously has asked the Internal Revenue
Service to investigate the Meyer family’s use of ministry money. IRS officials
have declined to say whether they are doing so.

Sutherland said Friday that the ministry has “not been contacted by the IRS,
nor do we feel there is a reason for them to contact us.”
Reporter Carolyn Tuft E-mail: ctuft@post-dispatch.com Phone: 314-340-8105

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