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Did The Pentecostal Prosperity Doctrine And TBN Cause The Financial Crisis?

Posted by Job on October 3, 2008

Foreward: please note that the Bible DOES NOT PROMOTE reckless financial behavior, but quite the contrary promotes hard work, frugality, and conscientiousness. Contrast the ostentatious wealth of King Solomon – who left God for syncretism – with Jesus Christ, who was born in a manger and lived the life of a pauper. And as for you prosperity preacher adherents, well, you wanted to be world changers, right? To take authority and dominion? Well, it looks like you did it. Your doctrines helped cause the international banking crisis that just may set the stage for the anti – Christ to come to power. By the way, sorry for picking on Palin, because TONS of black prosperity doctrine preachers have gotten behind Obama as well. You know, it makes for the perfect conspiracy theory.

All of these Council on Foreign Relations – backed preachers get on TV – especially if they own networks like TBN – or dominate the book publishing market (Left Behind) or even get mainstream publicity (like TD Jakes on the cover of Time Magazine – which ironically published this article ) which exploit the poor with false promises of wealth. Then have the same Council on Foreign Relations – connected politicians (Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, Gingrich at minimum) change the banking laws, requiring/forcing banks to lend to these people. And when the inevitable economic collapse occurs (which by the way was just the result of terrible economic policy dating back to at least Reagan … remember how the Democrats AND Republicans exhorted you to go buy an SUV and invest your retirement accounts in Pets.com in the 1990s … and that speaks nothing of deficit spending and free trade deals with third world countries where people will gladly work for $5 a day) then use it as an excuse to practically nationalize the banking sector and promote economic globalism. If this WASN’T a conspiracy, it certainly played out like one. In any event, now you see how massively evil false doctrines are, and the prosperity doctrine is both false and evil.

Foreclosures: Did God Want You to Get That Mortgage? 

or “God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and blessed me with my first house.” 

Has the so-called Prosperity Gospel turned its followers into some of the most willing participants — and hence, victims — of the current financial crisis? That’s what a scholar of the fast-growing brand of pentecostal Christianity believes. While researching a book on black televangelism, says Jonathan Walton, a religion professor at the University of California Riverside, he realized that Prosperity’s central promise — that God would “make a way” for poor people to enjoy the better things in life — had developed an additional, toxic expression during sub-prime boom. Walton says that this encouraged congregants who got dicey mortgages to believe “God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and blessed me with my first house.” The results, he says, “were disastrous, because they pretty much turned parishioners into prey for greedy brokers.”
Others think he may be right. Says Anthea Butler, an expert in pentecostalism at the University of Rochester in New York state, “The pastor’s not gonna say ‘go down to Wachovia and get a loan’ but I have heard, ‘even if you have a poor credit rating God can still bless you — if you put some faith out there [that is, make a big donation to the church], you’ll get that house, or that car or that apartment.'” Adds J. Lee Grady, editor of the magazine Charisma, “It definitely goes on, that a preacher might say, ‘if you give this offering, God will give you a house. And if they did get the house, people did think that it was an answer to prayer, when in fact it was really bad banking policy.” If so, the situation offers a look at how an native-born faith built partially on American econoic optimism entered into a toxic symbiosis with a pathological market.

Although a type of Pentecostalism, Prosperity theology adds a distinctive layer of supernatural positive thinking. Adherents will reap rewards if they prove their faith to God by contributing heavily to their churches, remaining mentally and verbally upbeat, and concentrating on divine promises of worldly bounty supposedly strewn throughout the bible. Critics call it a thinly disguised pastor-enrichment scam. Other experts, like Walton, note that for all its faults, it can empower people who have been taught to see themselves as financially or even culturally useless to feel they are “worthy of having more and doing more and being more.” (Sure, if you forget about the Bible says that the Holy Spirit, God the Father,and Jesus Christ are supposed to comfort and reassure us. Blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.) In some cases the philosophy has matured with its practitioners, encouraging good financial habits and entrepreneurship.

But Walton suggests that a decade’s worth of ever-easier credit acted like drug in Prosperity’s bloodstream. “The economic boom 90’s and financial over-extensions of the new millennium contributed to the success of the prosperity message,” he wrote recently. And not positively. “Narratives of how ‘God blessed me with my first house despite my credit’ were common. Sermons declaring ‘it’s your season to overflow’ supplanted messages of economic sobriety,” and “little attention was paid to.. the dangers of using one’s home equity as an ATM to subsidize cars, clothes and vacations.”

With the bubble burst, Walton and Butler assume that prosperity congregants have taken a disproportionate hit, and are curious as to how their churches will respond. Butler thinks that some of the flashier ministries will shrink along with their congregants’ fortunes. Says Walton, “You would think that the current economic conditions would undercut their theology.” But he predicts they will perservere, since God’s earthly largesse is just as attractive when one is behind the economic eight ball.

A recently posted testimony by a congregant at the Brownsville Assembly of God near Pensacola, Fla., seems to confirm his intuition. Brownsville is not even a classic Prosperity congregation — it relies more on the anointing of its pastors than on scriptural promises of God. But the believer’s note to his minister illustrates how magical thinking can prevail even after the mortgage blade has dropped. “Last Sunday,” it read, “You said if anyone needed a miracle to come up. So I did. I was receiving foreclosure papers, so I asked you to anoint a picture of my home and you did and your wife joined with you in prayer as I cried. I went home feeling something good was going to happen. On Friday the 5th of September I got a phone call from my mortgage company and they came up with a new payment for the next 3 months of only $200. My mortgage is usually $1020. Praise God for his Mercy & Grace.”

And pray that the credit market doesn’t tighten any further.

Some videos that speak of the error of these doctrines.

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Washington DC Pro – Homosexual Episcopal Leader Calls Biblical Christians Demonic!

Posted by Job on July 17, 2008

Normally liberal Christians like the Episcopals do not even acknowledge that demons exist. They have totally despiritualized their interpretation of the Bible, claiming that accounts of demonic possessions were actually mental or physical diseases, and that Jesus Christ’s healing accounts were allegories. They also claim that other things in the Bible referring to good, evil, final judgment, etc. merely speak of social, political, and economic conditions. But now you see what takes them out of their mold. Last year a prominent Christian liberal – and a hateful critic of Biblical Christians – who previously denied the existence of sin or God’s judgment decided that JUST MAYBE global warming was God’s wrath being poured out against big business. So he modified his position that there was no sin and no judgment to say “well I guess sin and judgment exist after all FOR THE RICH.” And now you have this guy, who attributes opposition to homosexuality to evil spirits. This really shows how angry and vicious these people are getting against those that oppose the sin of homosexuality. They have really gotten to the point where they have decided that even having civil discussions with those that disagree is impossible. According to them, people that oppose homosexuality are not only wrong but evil, and not worthy of any consideration save what it takes to ban, censure, and punish them. I have to tell you, once gay marriage becomes legal and hate crimes laws are enacted, opposition to homosexuality will rapidly become an untenable position for anyone to hold in respectable mainstream society. The reason is that government, media, and the elite universities have become so powerful that rather than responding to and reflecting the needs and the will of the people, they lead on virtually every issue and people just follow. And yes, this includes the church. Again, I do not like to use this term that I see on the websites of some of my more bold Christian brothers, but with regard to following whatever is popular and acceptable in mainstream culture, many Christians have in fact become “SHEEPLE.” The reason is that Christianity has now become just another product that you can buy, sell, and COMPARISON SHOP, and you can have it either buffet, a la carte, fast food, gourmet, stir – fried, or even sushied. I am not saying that most evangelical churches will become pro – homosexual the instant President John McCain signs San Francisco Democrat Nancy Pelosi’s hate crimes bill and his veto of the Defense of Marriage Act. No, evangelicalism will do as they have done everything else as it has become inconvenient in the public sphere: THEY WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT IT! Case in point: I have a book from the “Counterpoints” series where prominent theologians debate an issue whose subject was the lake of fire (or hell). All of the theologians agreed that evangelical pastors had ceased talking about the subject, and that when the publishers of the book were looking for someone to represent the orthodox Biblical doctrine on the matter, NO ONE WANTED TO DO IT! The only one willing to step up and do so was a single very old (and indeed since passed away) Baptist preacher and former seminary president. And when was this book published? 1994! Almost 15 years ago! So 15 years ago you had all of these political evangelical leaders more than willing to publicly criticize Bill Clinton’s adultery before the TV cameras, but none who were willing to preach about the lake of fire before their own congregations. So 15 years from now, how many leading conservative pastors will be willing to speak out against homosexuality? My guess is that you will ask them, and they will shift uncomfortably, avert their eyes, and reply “the Bible and Christian tradition are clear on such matters” and let that be that! And yes, the reason why they will take that approach is because they don’t want to endure the sort of things said against them contained in the link below. And please do not think that I am just some homophobic bashing homosexuals. The REAL issue here, the REAL stakes, is the inerrancy and authority of scripture. THAT is what John Chane was speaking of. 

I think it’s really very dangerous when someone stands up and says: ‘I have the way and I have the truth and I know how to interpret holy scripture and you are following what is the right way,'” he said “It’s really very, very dangerous and I think it’s demonic. The Episcopal church has been demonised. It has been a punching bag, and I’m sick of being a punching bag as a bishop and I’m sick of my church, my province being a punching bag.”

What this fellow is saying is that insisting on a particular interpretation of scripture is evil, because in his view scripture should have no authority over the church. The church can use whatever verses that it finds convenient to reinforce their philosophical platitudes, but that is it. So, the view is going to soon be that declaring the Bible to be the unique and final revelation of God to man is evil and dangerous. And guess what? The “third wave” charismatics led by Todd Bentley agree. This neo – Montanist sect (which incidentally has totally rejected the piety of the original Montanists) are trying their best to instigate a civil war between sola scriptura Christians and those who believe in continuous revelation. Why? Sola scriptura in their demon and confusion addled minds will hinder the worldwide revival that will fulfill the great commission and cause the rapture (clue pre – tribulation dispensationalism). In other words, they are trying to fulfill the ambitions of their founder William Seymour of Azusa Street. And who do these folks have on their side? Why, the “Jesus Christ had to be born again” and “if you want to see God look in the mirror” Word of Faith/prosperity people! Fred Price, whose newest title sequence proudly proclaims that he was the ORIGINAL Word of Faith/prosperity teacher before all of these “new school” guys like TD Jakes, Joel Osteen, Paula White, and Joyce Meyer came out and started stealing his thunder, has been anointed as an APOSTLE by Todd Bentley. That link is from Soli Deo Gloria. PJ Miller is sola scriptura, too, so he is one of the people that these new wave Pentecostals, the Word of Faith/prosperity people, and the liberal Christians are at the moment going after because of his fidelity to the truth, infallibility, and final authority of scripture. But Psalm 1 talks about what is going to happen to those people! Pay particular attention to verse 5! Oh yes, and don’t forget about Psalm 2! The mighty day of the Lord is coming, and on that day it will clearly be revealed who is on the Lord’s side. Those who are NOT on the Lord’s side will not only be the ones who reject His Son through His Word AND those who CLAIM to accept it BUT WILL NOT PUBLICLY DEFEND IT. Are you a sheep or are you SHEEPLE? TODAY is the time to take your stand, because I have to tell you, tomorrow is not promised to you! And this is not to defend Omar Khadr (other than to point out that he clearly should have been treated according to the Geneva Convention) but I cannot help but thinking that the data that the government is using on him and all of the rest of their Guantanamo Bay human guinea pigs, doing all of these tests on them to learn about the human mind and gain all sorts of “valuable data”, is going to be used on Biblical Christians one day. Well, Christians, if you won’t open your mouth in defense of the faith today, you won’t be able to stand up to torture like this tomorrow.

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On Needing That Anointing Christianity

Posted by Job on April 14, 2008

Three years ago, I was in dire straits. My family, my health (mental and physical) and my career were all very much at risk. Divorce and unemployment were tangible possibilities. My medication no longer controlled my asthma, but I had a strong emotional and physical dependency on it so I was consuming large quantities of it anyway. I was not addicted to the medication, but I was headed that way. But I WAS, however, addicted to pornography. Further, my kidneys were failing (drug overuse tends to cause that). And I was being continually tormented by terrifying dreams at night as well as fears and mental images during the day that I could not control. I was literally on the road to being one of the many poor homeless fellows with worsening mental and physical problems. And the worst part of it all was that I had no answers!

One of my coping mechanisms during this time: the music of one Anthony Williams Jr., also known as Tonex (among various other aliases). It was not so much that he was an extremely talented singer, musician, producer, and preacher, or that I personally identified with his lyrics and biography, though that was certainly true. It was that I was convinced that this fellow had a powerful anointing about him. I was certain that when I played his music, the power of the Holy Spirit was filling me and whatever space the music was playing in. Whenever the anger, rage, fear, hopelessness, depression, stress, etc. began to overcome me, I would pop in either “Out Tha Box” (disc 1 or 2) or “O2”. (Pronounced Toe – Nay was for “praise and worship time.”) I would contemplate the lyrics – although honestly not nearly so much as the music, ESPECIALLY the beats! – and pretty soon I would be speaking in tongues (then again maybe not), receiving all sorts of prophetic words from the Lord on how to take control of my situation (which were actually rather hit or miss) and pretty soon as a result of the powerful anointing felt recharged, renewed, rededicated pressed down shaken together running overflow ye are gods children of the most high. For a few hours, that is. But no matter, I had plenty of other similar CDs, as well as my array of pastors and teachers on TBN, the Word Network, and similar, to pick me up again. But Tonex’s music was “the heavy artillery” which I resorted to when things got really bad, in times of crisis and emergency. Why? Didn’t want to cheapen, degrade, or devalue “the anointing.” Let me just say that the Yolanda Adams intro of “Out Tha Box” where she introduces the fellow as “the most anointed man in this city, in this country, in this world!” did not offend me in the least. After all, it wasn’t THAT FAR OFF, so why quibble? And the fact that he had a woman whose lifestyle and career choices did not reflect Tonex’s holiness or hell doctrines to begin with? Hey, Tonex had a powerful anointing, so that didn’t matter.

And neither did the scandals, doctrinal errors, failed prophecies, etc. of any of the other people that I was following (or at least defending their works and their anointing): the Crouch family, TD Jakes (never a favorite of mine but I supported him because of so many of my fellow travelers did, so it was important to have UNITY), Paula White, Eddie Long, Creflo Dollar (who professes an anointing so great that regular folks are no allowed to touch him), Kenneth Copeland, Paul Morton, Juanita Bynum, Jesse DuPlantis (whose anointing stopped Hurricane Katrina from flooding his part of the city and redirected it to Paul Morton’s instead), Charles Capps (whose anointed reading of scripture revealed to him the fact that there were not one but TWO creations!), Shepherd’s Chapel, Pat Robertson (whose anointing predicted that such a hurricane would strike America because of abortion and gay rights), John Hagee (who predicted a war with Iran by 2007 with Jesus Christ coming back a few months after), Kenneth Hagin, Angie Ray, John Eckhardt, Keith Butler, Dr. Shine, Rod Parsley, Fred Price, Jamal Harrison – Bryant (I cheered the day that Harrison – Bryant announced that his Empowerment Temple was the first African Methodist Episcopal church to be prominently featured on TBN!) and so on. And other preachers that did not appear to me to have much anointing like Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer I found encouraging and reassuring. So yes, I was exposed to constant anointings and reassurings during this troubled time.

Now the problems that I was going through were so severe that I missed quite a bit of work. Which was a good thing, because it gave me a chance to see two particularly anointed preachers around lunchtime on The Church Channel (although to tell you the truth I watched them plenty at work because I had downloaded the TBN viewer applet onto my desktop, and also watched them on The Word Network’s website, and there was also StreamingFaith.com!) Word of Faith preacher Andrew Wommack and Benny Hinn trainee Zachery Tims (the latter for entertainment, the former for doctrine). It so happened that on Wommack’s show, he made the case that what Jesus Christ did on the cross was finished and could not be added to by man. I did not believe it, because it contradicted my “faith plus works to justify you and maintain your salvation” holiness or hell doctrine that I had been brought up in and seemed perfectly logical to my human intellect, but HE HAD SCRIPTURES! Also, I had a lot of time and trust invested in this fellow (not to mention money, having bought several of his books). So, I believed, and that was the beginning of the end of my financial, family, emotional, and health problems. (The tithing, fasting, hit or miss prophesying, frequent church attendance followed by watching Christian television and listening to Christian radio, sowing seeds into anointed ministries, the emergency calls to the Pat Robertson and Paul Crouch prayer lines, the frequent emails to Jesse DuPlantis, the books, DVDs, tapes … well they did not actually work.)

Now not long before this, I had found out that T.D. Jakes was a oneness pentecostal. Again, though never a huge T.D. Jakes fan, it gave me pause, because LOTS of people were affiliated with the guy, including George W. and Jeb Bush, of whom I was HUGE FANS! Hey, the guy had an anointing and had done some mighty things, so God would straighten him out. But after believing in sola fide, faith alone, instead of faith plus works, well hey, doctrinal error now seemed to MATTER, and so did people who hung around them. So, that reduced my huge array of pastors and teachers that I was following, because LOTS of them were connected to Jakes by few degrees of separation! And yes, LOTS of folks were preaching the same thing that he did. But they had such powerful anointing and had done so many great things! Yes, but I had to follow my Trinitarian God rather than men, so that meant also rejecting the pastors who lacked the scruples required to reject the false doctrine purveyors, or to warn people against them. I knew that not all these pastors had been blessed with a great anointing, but the lack of a great anointing was no excuse for having a little principle and courage and doing what was right.

The result: this left me with a lot of spare time on my hands. Had to seek out other ministries. One was Bill Keller, whom I initially persecuted with frequent emails defending the prosperity doctrine that I still believed in. Prosperity, after all, was the sign of having an anointing! Keller failed to dissuade me, but radio preacher Bob George – who runs a call in show – did. Now I had read 1 Timothy 6 many a time, but never understood that IT SPECIFICALLY REJECTS THE PROSPERITY DOCTRINE until he explained it to me. Why did I listen to George and not Keller? Maybe it had something to do with George and the caller catching my attention just prior by pointing out that Fred Price claimed that Jesus Christ had to be born again. The caller wanted to know if it was OK to still listen to Price anyway on the account of the other great truths that Price gave. George acknowledged Price’s great oratorical skills, but stated that people who preach his doctrines had reprobate minds. Any truth that you can get from those that had reprobate minds can be gained elsewhere. So, crossing off the reprobate mind prosperity/Word of Faith folk – and those who would not separate from them – left still more time on my hands, and left me conflicted and confused about the legitimacy of my salvation. After all, I had learned of Christ by virtue of having been raised Pentecostal Holiness, and had believed on Christ’s work because a Word of Faith preacher had told me about it.

Result? TONEX TIME! If I ever needed a pick – me – up, it was now! After all, it had been awhile since I had spoken in tongues or heard a prophecy or revelation from God, so I needed to “get tightened up.” It had been a very long time, so long that I had actually misplaced the “Out Tha Box” concert DVD, so I put in “O2”, and started waiting for the anointing so that I could do the old “goose myself spiritually” thing and start speaking in tongues. (The ability to initiate speaking in tongues was a special gift that I had, a product of my anointing, that I had found quite useful many a time.) But something wasn’t right. I didn’t really FEEL it. And whereas before, my unknown tongues gift flowed freely and purely, even at times producing words that I was CERTAIN was Hebrew, this time it was choppy, broken, intermittent, and sounded rather like a clucking chicken. Also, I couldn’t really get into Tonex’s lyrics. Didn’t line up with what I was reading in the Bible at the time. Now my inability to speak in tongues anymore was really frightening me. It was my secret internal proof that I was actually saved! I guess I had no choice left other than to just believe Romans 10 and let it go.

And no more revelation, no more words from the Lord? Now I had actually been hearing so many revelations – it was a gift what can I say – that I had come to the conclusion that I didn’t really NEED to read my Bible anymore. I mean, the Bible was OK. So long as it was the King James Version. But it was for other, lesser, weaker Christians that lacked by strong faith and great anointing. I could go straight to God Himself and receive direct instructions. Whenever I needed to make a personal, family/marital, financial, spiritual decision, I would just pray, hear my revelation, and go with it. I also was up on future events and what was REALLY going on in the spirit realm, so that was great. But now, goodness, how was I going to make a decision? No choice but to trust God. If good happened? Thank you God. If bad happened, thank you for that too God. The Psalms and Proverbs said to have that attitude anyway. There are more Psalms than ones that promised old covenant Israelites health and wealth after all.

So, I began to throw away the books, CDs, DVDs, etc. that I had, shocked at all the money that I had spent on people that paid complete and total disregard to the basic information that could be found in any beginner’s theology book (which I found can be had very cheaply in the Christian bookstores, very often on clearance in the section obscured by all the best sellers) or even on some theology and apologetics websites. With those gone and plenty of time on my hands (I hate secular television because of the low quality of the writing), that created time for more books: church histories, Bible commentaries, novels, you name it. Not all of them were good. Unless, that is, they were being compared to the stuff that I had been throwing away. But there were a few things that I saved. I have not yet seen fit to get rid of my Derek Prince or Frank Hammond materials, probably because of my bias towards books and because they do not call themselves prophets or apostles. And I also kept my 3 Tonex CDs, even though I no longer felt motivated to buy his subsequent releases or replace the mysteriously vanished concert DVD.

That is, until the other day. I was not angry, depressed, fearful, or tormented by uncontrolled thoughts and images. Those problems are long gone. Following a tip in a devotional sent to me by Word of Faith preacher Keith Butler (whose prophecy that he would win a U.S. Senate seat fell far short) put the Book of Revelation on my Ipod and would listen to it through my headphones all night. (I wasn’t getting any sleep due to the nightmares anyway!) A few weeks later, I canceled my daily devotional from Butler upon reading him assert in it that all Christians should be able to speak in tongues. That idea that he passed on to me ended years of sleepless nights and torment, but hey, I have to follow God rather than man! Besides, Keith Butler is down with Kenneth Copeland anyway.

I just wanted to hear some uptempo music with a beat while driving around. So I got my long – neglected copy of “O2.” Man, I used to LOVE that album, the music was GENIUS! Intro … who cares. First track … boring. Second track … boring. Third track … well, I never really liked it to begin with. I know … I will just go straight to my favorite … track 15, the one that I would go to when I absolutely positively NEEDED to start speaking in tongues … TUMBLIN’! It was not as good as I remembered, but it was getting the job done. UNTIL I got to the point where Tonex states “Want the anointing gotta go through something.” This was after “Name it claim it.”

By this time, I was aware that the “anointing” that I had been so zealously seeking and pledging my loyalty to ministers based on their possessing it? Well first of all, “to anoint” means (roughly) “to choose.” Jesus Christ? Christ comes from “Christos” in Greek (though some transliterate it differently) which means “the Anointed One.” Or “the Chosen One.” So … the way that this Christian scene had been trading around this term, as if it was some special spiritual quality whose possession was so powerful and rare that it compensated for their false doctrines and practices, extramarital affairs, criminal acts, FAILED PROPHECIES, etc. was clearly exploiting people who were unaware of how the Bible actually generally used the word (there is only one usage that can justify how it is commonly used today), and such exploited people generally did not check the concordance that appears helpfully appended to the back of many Bibles to find out for themselves (as I did not).

Also, “anointing” was being used as a shorthand for “gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit.” So why not just say “gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit?” Because

1. the Bible makes it clear that gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit cannot be bought with money, as Peter told Simon the magician in Acts. Which also means that it cannot be EARNED through works, which includes tithing, “sowing seed offerings”, etc.

2. gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit are given to all believers according to the Holy Spirit’s discretion. So no Christian has special status based on which gifts he has. To the limited extent to which a Christian has over which gift he receives, he is to “earnestly seek the best gifts”, which are NOT the ones that the current Christian environment esteems.

3. Fruits of the Holy Spirit (i.e. charity) are more important than the gifts of the Holy Spirit. One of the things that I threw away was a DVD by Jesse DuPlantis on fruits of the Holy Spirit that CONTAINED NO ACTUAL INFORMATION AT ALL. Maturity, power, and effectiveness of service in a Christian come by virtue of the fruits, not the gifts, and particularly not the sign gifts.

4. There are no “special anointings”, “double and triple portions”, or special “spirits” (i.e. a warrior spirit or an Esther anointing or a Mary spirit). There is only the Holy Spirit. One Lord. One Faith. One Baptism. At the very most, you can claim to have similar gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit as another believer, and even there one must have sound consistent Biblical and doctrinal basis – and exhibit evidence that can be confirmed by the witness of two or more believers in good standing – before claiming such.

5. The Holy Spirit is a permanent indwelling of every single believer. There are no “temporary anointings” which the people that dance out of their clothes, overturn chairs and pews, steamroll small children, and kick and elbow people trying to restrain them purport to need in order to receive their healing, their deliverance, their breakthrough, their blessing, or (as I was taught in the church that I grew up in) to provide evidence that your saying the sinner’s prayer “actually worked.” Yes, some people had to go to the altar call several times on successive weeks, say the sinner’s prayer each time, shout and dance each time, speak in tongues each time, etc. before the pastor declared their salvation experience to be legitimate.

6. the Bible declares that those who purport to possess the Holy Spirit must show evidence by continuously living a Godly lifestyle of humility and obedience, including preachers (and hip/hop gospel singers) whose sermon lyrics are reflected in their character and lives. Obviously possessing “anointings” is not encumbered with this same requirement.

7. The Holy Spirit is God, which brings discipline and order. Pastors with “great anointings”, however, tend to have great confusion not only in their church services, but also in their financial dealings and personal lives.

8. Related to 6. and the most important, it is LOVE that covers a multitude of transgressions (not to be mistaken for a continuous sinful lifestyle or willful rejection of Bible doctrines), not an “anointing.” Please note that what is often taken for “anointing” are things like skillful preaching ability, amazing church growth, tongues, casting out devils, healing, etc. are associated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit (and not the edifying gifts, or “the best gifts” that we should earnestly seek at that … people with the gift of giving or the gift of helps are rarely considered to have a powerful anointing and call on their lives!). Love, meanwhile, is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

So, I removed Anthony “Tonex” Williams’ from my radio, and will probably throw it out in the garbage when I get home. Speaking of Tonex, for your viewing pleasure, he will illustrate what I have just told you – including information about my past that is 100% true – in the video clip below where he discusses the nature of “the anointing.” He states that one does not have to be a believer in Jesus Christ to understand it or benefit from it, and compares the anointing of Michael Jackson (for whom he is a paid music producer) to the anointing of Benny Hinn.

In closing, notice all of the things related to spiritual warfare, casting out demons, that I feature prominently. One of the reasons why I was so loyal to Tonex was that it was very effective to play his music while casting out evil spirits. Nevertheless, his music must be cast aside by me, because the video below makes explicit why we have to follow God rather than men.

Update from AndyB: He identified for me the source of all of this charismatic “anointing” confusion. It is a sole passage: 1 John 2:20-27, which employs the Greek word “chrisma”, which is sometimes translated as “unction.” (I suppose that when I would “goose myself” to speak in tongues, I was providing my own “unction”?) Here is the link to what the word ACTUALLY MEANS in the online BlueLetterBible Concordance. And here is AndyB’s context of the word: “And here I thought the anointing (”unction”) we received in the form of the Holy Spirit was the ability to discern God’s truth from the world’s cheap imitations. 1 John 2:20-21

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Kenneth Copeland Video: Jesus Christ Had To Be Born Again

Posted by Job on December 15, 2007

This heresy that Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, (all of whom just happen to be under investigation by Senator Charles Grassley, who incidentally supports Mitt Romney) and other famous Word of Faith teachers, Jesus Christ being born again, is called adoptionism, that Jesus Christ progressed to godhood. Mormons, if you might recall, have a very aggressive version of this doctrine that was rejected by the church in 268 AD when Paul of Samosata introduced it out of his belief that Jesus Christ could not have incarnated as flesh because of the dominant Greek pagan (Plato) doctrine in the culture of the time that spirit was good and matter was evil, and so the two cannot mix. Interestingly enough, that is the same reason why Roman Catholics claim that “Virgin” Mary had to have been immaculately conceived and never sinned … that Jesus Christ could not have been carried by the womb of a woman born in sin. That, incidentally, was the same position of Paul of Samosata.

Back to Mormonism, since Copeland, Price, Meyer, Dollar, and many others – in addition to claiming to be “little gods” through their perversion Psalm 82:6 of out of context (I am grateful for Bob George of Realanswers.net answering my email regarding this question back when I was still a Word of Faither), all that is required is to claim that God the Father also was a man who became God and the concept of pre – existence, which was given to us by Origen (who fans of Joseph Smith the prophet with 33 wives, some of them already married to other men, lived long after the time that the church supposedly fell into complete apostasy and took the teachings on pre – existence with it).

Courtesy of The Heresy Hunter.

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