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Trinity And The Meaning Of Colossians 2:9

Posted by Job on May 26, 2008

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For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (oti en autwi katoikei pan to plhrwma thß qeothtoß swmatikwß). In this sentence, given as the reason (oti, because) for the preceding claim for Christ as the measure of human knowledge Paul states the heart of his message about the Person of Christ. There dwells (at home) in Christ not one or more aspects of the Godhead (the very essence of God, from qeoß, deitaß) and not to be confused with qeioteß in Romans 1:20 (from qeioß, the quality of God, divinitas), here only in N.T. as qeiothß only in Romans 1:20. The distinction is observed in Lucian and Plutarch. Teiothß occurs in the papyri and inscriptions. Paul here asserts that “all the plhrwma of the Godhead,” not just certain aspects, dwells in Christ and in bodily form (swmatikwß, late and rare adverb, in Plutarch, inscription, here only in N.T.), dwells now in Christ in his glorified humanity (Philippians 2:9-11), “the body of his glory” (twi swmati thß doxhß). The fulness of the God-head was in Christ before the Incarnation (John 1:1,18; Philippians 2:6), during the Incarnation (John 1:14,18; 1 John 1:1-3). It was the Son of God who came in the likeness of men (Philippians 2:7). Paul here disposes of the Docetic theory that Jesus had no human body as well as the Cerinthian separation between the man Jesus and the aeon Christ. He asserts plainly the deity and the humanity of Jesus Christ in corporeal form.

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Is Jesus Only Oneness Pentecostalism Mormonism?

Posted by Job on December 12, 2007

Go to the main website of Mormonism http://lds.org to their “basic beliefs” section, and EVENTUALLY you will get to http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-restoration-of-truth/god-is-your-loving-heavenly-father

which says “God has a body that looks like yours, though His body is immortal, perfected, and has a glory beyond description“. Which is heresy, right? Well how do we know it is heresy? Because Jesus Christ said so in John 4:24:God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” The Mormons deny it in their Doctrines and Covenants: D&C 93: 33. For man is aspirit. The elements are beternal, and cspirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy D&C 130: 22. The aFather has a bbody of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of cSpirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not ddwell in us. (Now you see why presidential candidate Mitt Romney refuses to expound on his beliefs.)

So what does this have to do with oneness pentecostals? Well, read this from The Resurrection Body of Christ the Lord Part I by John C. Whitcomb, Th.D. That is right, BODY. When the Word, Jesus Christ, became flesh, HE TOOK ON A BODY. And according to Dr. Whitcomb, HE STILL HAS IT! Says Dr. Whitcomb: When He ascended to heaven, He did not leave His human nature behind, for “in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Col. 2:9). He will be God and man (two distinct natures) in one Person—forever!

So oneness people, what are your options? This does not harm the Trinitarians, for when Jesus Christ told the Samaritan woman that God is a spirit, He was speaking of the Holy Spirit and Father portions. You can, I suppose, claim that Jesus Christ was speaking of a mode of existence or a relationship. The problem is that it breaks down when Jesus Christ returned to His Father in Heaven to sit on the Father in Heaven’s right hand. When that happened, unless you have Three In One and Three Are One, then it means that the Incarnate Jesus Christ is the same false god as the Mormon god of flesh and bone. (Incidentally, please realize that Mormons themselves say no different: see here Theology: LDS god is in harmony with the Bible!)

You can say that the problem is solved because Jesus Christ returned to spirit form after ascending into Heaven. But there are problems with that.

1. The Bible does not say that He does. That one is dedicated to all the oneness people who say “the word Trinity is never used in the Bible.” I will go further, where Trinity is not mentioned but clearly depicted in the Bible, at no point does the Bible depict that Jesus Christ left His earthly body behind.

2. Paul seeing Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus. Now Paul did not see a vision. Nor did he see a theophany (what those who saw God in the Old Testament saw). No, Paul saw the resurrected Jesus Christ in bodily form.

3. All the references to Jesus Christ being seated on the right hand of the Father. You can say that it is anthropomorphic, such as the reference to God walking in the Garden of Eden (another one that the Mormons love to use to deny God being spirit). Problem: Stephen the martyr saw Jesus Christ in heaven standing before He was stoned to death!

4. Revelation, which speaks of the return of Jesus Christ. Well, when Jesus Christ returns, He will return PHYSICALLY. Acts 1:9-11And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven.” And then we go to Revelation 19:11-13 which says how this return will occur: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.” Excuse me, but that does not describe the return of a spirit, a vision, or a theophany WHEN HEAVEN OPENS, but OF A BODY. How is this going to happen? Is Christ going to become incarnate again? Reincarnation? Well, you can believe that if you choose. But the Bible does not say so!

Please read the entire “Resurrection Body of Jesus Christ” series below.

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, and Part 10.

Equal time: the case has been made by a Trinitarian whose views I greatly respect that John 17:5 and Revelation 1:14-15 denies Jesus Christ having His resurrected body. I say that Zechariah 12:10 deals with Revelation 1:14-15 by virtue of being a prophecy of Jesus Christ’s return: “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

Again, yet another reason why Trinity matters: it separates Christianity from the false religions.

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