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Clay Land: Asking Christians To Vote For Giuliani Akin To Asking Blacks To Vote For Strom Thurmond Or George Wallace!

Posted by Job on October 23, 2007

Unlike the other religious right leaders that are obviously being bought off by the Mormon Mitt Romney (and George W. Bush!) money machine, Clay Land comes off sounding quite well in this article. Not as hard line evangelical as Bill Keller (let alone fundamentalist like myself or Chuck Baldwin), but quite good in this Newsweek article:newsweek.com/id/57631!

Here are some of the best parts. “The one thing we will never allow to happen is for the Republican Party to take us for granted the way the Democratic Party too often takes the African-American community for grantedI’m not willing or able to violate my moral conscience … I am not going to criticize those who choose the lesser-of-two-evils option … but I personally can’t do it.

On Mitt Romney using the race to try to proselytize Christians using distortions, falsehoods, and outright lies: “For starters he needs to quit trying to convince evangelicals that Mormonism is an orthodox, with a small o, Trinitarian, with a capital T, Apostolic, with a capital A, faith. He is not going to win that argument [and] he doesn’t need to try. That’s not the issue. Kennedy didn’t try to defend Catholicism. He defended the right of a Catholic to run for president. What I think Romney has to do is he has to give a speech in which he defends the right of a Mormon to run for president and appeals to Americans’ basic sense of fair play … he has not given that speech. I’ve seen him go to South Carolina and say things like, you know, “Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.” Well, you know what? That ain’t going to work in South Carolina. The most generous description [evangelicals] will give [Mormonism] is the one that I give it, which is that it is the fourth Abrahamic religion, you know, Judaism being the first, Christianity being the second, and Islam being the third. And Joseph Smith plays the Mohammed figure in a fourth Abrahamic faith, but it is not a Trinitarian Christian faith. Evangelicals know this because the two most evangelistic groups in America are evangelicals and Mormons, and so evangelical pastors have taught their people what Mormonism believes because they want to inoculate them against [missionaries]. They know. I mean, they have had Sunday school classes, and they have had sermons preached on the beliefs of Mormonism. Trust me, that is not an argument he is going to win, and it is not an argument he has to win.” For me, this is perfect, 100% perfect. It is great to hear from a Christian that does not worship at the church of religious right dual covenant theology heresy like hateful Anne Coulter.

Some more: “I don’t know. I do see Giuliani as sort of an East Coast version of [California Gov. Arnold] Schwarzenegger.” This is why that was a devastating comparison for Giuliani: Still Support Arnold Schwarzenegger Christians?

Now here the Newsweek reporter presses Land in a way that he would NEVER do a liberal political leader as to his abject refusal to even consider Giuliani, and Land handles it perfectly. “When Rudy says “I will appoint strict constructionist judges,” you are not hearing that?” (What is this guy, a Giuliani campaign operative or something? Nope. In truth, he will never vote for Giuliani or any Republican. He is just incensed that this fellow is applying an abortion litmus test, despite the fact that he has the same test … the other way of course!) Land’s reply? “I hear it. I hear it.” (This is excellent on the part of Land, for it is very easy for a “strict constructionist” judge to agree with abortion rights or to simply respect a precedent that has stood a variety of challenges for going on 35 years … Land will never admit this publicly but everyone knows that it is true, and that these “code words” for opposing the murder of innocent babies is waving a rhetorical white flag … still at least Land is the first religious right leader to admit that the words “strict constructionist” mean absolutely nothing unless it comes from someone with a strong pro – life record.) Reporter again: “Well, you don’t hear Hillary saying that.” Land’s absolutely brilliant reply: “Could you vote for a Klansman?” (It would have been PERFECT had he said “would you vote for a Nazi” especially since he already dragged rabbinic Judaism into this by comparing them to Mormons, but ah well, I do not have his position or responsibility for a reason.)

Then Land closes it out when the reporter answers “No” and Land says “You’ve answered my question. I cannot vote for someone who believes that it’s all right to stop a beating heart.” (Of course that leaves Land opens to questions concerning the death penalty and the Iraq War …)

And even after all that, the reporter comes back to the “but he says he will appoint strict constructionists!” at which time Land is forced to use Giuliani’s disgraceful personal life against him. Of course, this shows how desperate the media is to get the religious right to endorse a pro – abortion candidate because he knows that doing so would result in A) Giuliani sending abortion on demand radicals to the bench and B) killing off the pro – life movement for good.

Regrettably, Land goes on to say that evangelicals are willing to support a divorced presidential candidate. Probably because they are equally willing to support divorced pastors of their congregations? See Divorce Is Rampant Among Christian Leaders for another example of the difference between “evangelicals” (Land) and “fundamentalists” (me).

But once we get back to abortion, it is back on point. Again, the NARAL lobbyist masquerading as a reporter and asking far tougher questions than he ever would of any liberal on any issue, even the rare issue where he personally disagrees with the liberal: “Do you feel that to be a person of faith, being pro-life goes with it?” Lay’s response, again is great: “I think it’s impossible for me to comprehend how a person can be a person of faith and be pro-choice and be consistent, but human beings by nature are inconsistent. Look, I grew up in a society where I am very grateful that I was always taught at home that racism was not only wrong, it was sinful, but I lived in a society [Houston] that was still segregated. I went to segregated schools, lived in a segregated neighborhood, and I knew people who were in many ways profoundly faithful and religious people who had an enormous blind spot called “race.” For many of them it was a very paternalistic attitude. It wasn’t a hostile, vicious attitude, but it was a very paternalistic one.” The big news here is that you have a leader of the Southern Baptist Convention saying that racism is a sin. With that, the reporter was forced to abandon his baby – killing advocacy. Otherwise, he would be guilty of claiming that racism is not a sin.

It was a good show for Clay Land. Now the question is when Giuliani or particularly Romney gets the nomination, whether he will follow through on his threat. My prediction: no. Romney will never give Land what he wants, because Romney wouldn’t be spending tens of millions of his own money to become president if his entire motivation was anything other than to use that office to convert as many Christians as he can both in America and worldwide into Mormon apostasy. Romney wants to fill as many people full of his masonic Mormon demons and take them with him to the lake of fire for an eternity as he can. What does Revelation 12:12 say about Satan and imply about the rest of the evil spirits? “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” So these Mormon apostasy demons know where they are going. They know that the actual Jesus Christ defeated them on the cross for eternity. So now the battle is taking as many as they can with them.

So Clay Land, when Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination thanks to his own money, George W. Bush’s organization, and being the very personification of the idolatrous false “public religion of values” (a term that a great many religious right types are using!), what are you going to do? Will you stand on the Lord’s side against the wickedness of the world? Or will you forbear, join the world, and therefore share in the fate of this world, which has been judged as wicked through its rejection of God’s own Son and will be destroyed by fire? For despite your many works, Clay Land, you too, along with your many cohorts on the religious right, are going to have to stand before God on the day of the great white throne judgment. So what are you going to do, Clay Land and the religious right, when judgment day comes for you? Your actions now will determine your fate!

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