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Revelation 12 In Brief: My Proposed Interpretation And Commentary

Posted by Job on July 4, 2010

Upon reading chapter 12 of the Gospel of John, I encountered John 12:31, which reads “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” As “the prince of this world” is a reference to Satan, immediately, I had the notion to cross reference that text in Revelation because it sounded familiar. Thinking that I may have found scriptural support for amillennialism in the words of Jesus Christ, I checked Revelation 20:1-3, which speaks of Satan being bound for 1000 years. However, the two passages did not appear to have anything to do with each other. Then I recalled that the reference to Satan being thrust from heaven was in the “there was a war in heaven” passage, which is contained within Revelation 12.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried , travailing in birth , and pained to be delivered.

The identity of this woman has been a subject of some debate. Roman Catholics assert that this is “Mary, queen of heaven.” Some assert that the woman is the church. However, this woman obviously represents national or Old Testament Israel. The 12 stars are the twelve tribes of Israel. Please recall that in Joseph’s dream of Genesis 37:9, his brothers were represented by stars. And the child that Israel was carrying was Jesus Christ. God’s purpose was to create Israel as an elect people, give Israel the law, and have Jesus Christ born to Israel as a human and member of their nation and people under the law so that Jesus Christ would fulfill the law perfectly and then surrender His life as payment for the sins of others. And Israel suffered many things (i.e. bondage in Egypt, destruction and captivity by Babylon, brutal subjugation by the Greeks) before Jesus Christ was born to the Jew Miriam (Mary).

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The dragon is Satan. The significance of the 7 heads, 7 crowns and 10 horns I do not know at this time. It is interesting that Revelation 13:1, which some manuscripts assert as being the final verse of Revelation 12, describes the beast as having 7 heads, 7 crowns and 10 horns. However, Revelation 13 identifies the beast (popularly referred to as the anti-Christ) and the dragon (Satan) separately. The reference to the 1/3 of the stars of heaven that were thrown to the earth is that to the angels who were not elect (see 1 Timothy 5:21) and therefore joined Satan in His rebellion against God, becoming demons or evil spirits.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

This man child is obviously Jesus Christ. The references to Satan’s attempting to devour the man child can refer to the various attempts of Satan to tempt, kill or otherwise thwart Jesus Christ, with an example being Herod’s genocide after the visit from the wise men. It can also refer to Satan’s many attempts to destroy national Israel – either by killing them or seducing them into idolatry – prior to Jesus Christ’s advent. The child’s being caught up to God’s throne refers to Jesus Christ’s ascension to heaven after His passion and resurrection.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

This is a reference to the dispersion of national Israel and the end of the Jewish age after the destruction of the temple and nation by the Roman Empire in 70 AD. The times of the Gentiles, or the last days, began. The phrase “where she hath a place prepared of God” seems to refer to national Israel still being under God’s protection though the eyes of the Jews are blinded during the church age. This confirms Romans 11. As far as the time period of 3.5 years, to me that remains a mystery.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out , that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down , which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This would be the portion that correlates with John 12:31. “That old serpent” is better rendered “that serpent of old”, which identifies the Satan that deceived the whole world as being the same that deceived Eve and successfully caused the sin of Adam in the Garden of Eden. Not only was the entire world deceived and sent into a fallen state of original sin as a result of Satan’s dealings with Adam, but Satan has been deceiving the world – those not reconciled to God – ever since. Also, we know from the book of Job that Satan had access to heaven and accused the righteous of sin before God. After Jesus Christ atoned for sin with His death and obtained justification for believers at His resurrection, Satan’s access to heaven and his accusations against believers could no longer continue. Because of the work and victory of Jesus Christ through His death on the cross and His being resurrected from the dead, Satan was defeated. Glory be to Jesus Christ, who reigns and is blessed forever!

12 Therefore rejoice , ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time , and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

After being cast from heaven, this Satan who in his madness thought that he could somehow exalt himself over the One who created him and sustains his existence was forced to give up any delusions that he might have harbored concerning his battle with God. Knowing his fate – and that time is rapidly ticking towards it – Satan turns his full malicious destructive intentions to humans living on the earth, and especially national (or ethnic) Israel, who despite her current apostasy is still God’s chosen and beloved, and was used by God in the incarnation of the Jesus Christ who defeated Satan through His death and resurrection. From this, one may conjecture that the many calamities that have befallen Israel since her dispersion (including but not limited to the Holocaust) is not – or is not solely – due to her rejection of Jesus Christ; that it is the result of some national sin or curse that Israel bears. Indeed, Jesus Christ prayed and interceded for the forgiveness of Israel as He died on the cross (Luke 23:34). Instead, Israel’s misfortunes are the result of Satan’s concentrated and determined efforts against her. (Please note that while Satan has taken special efforts of cruel malice against Israel, he has not neglected his steal, kill and destroy mission against everyone else either.) Yet despite Satan’s best efforts, Israel endures as a people because of God’s protection. This protection – as well as the 3.5 year time period – is a repeat of what was given in verse 6. God is a faithful God. Though national Israel suffers many things, God has not cast her aside, and one day Israel will be saved.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

This could be a reference to the nations and peoples of the earth whom God has raised up and used to protect and defend ethnic Israel. From the nations that accepted Jews when they were expelled from Spain to the people who shielded Jews from Hitler’s holocaust, God has used various people and nations to preserve a remnant of the natural descendants of Abraham.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Now the woman is national Israel. (By this I mean ethnic Israel, the physical descendants of Abraham, not the current nation of Israel, or necessarily the nation of Israel in the Old Testament.) Descendants of Abraham who believe the gospel of Jesus Christ excepted, national Israel does not keep the commandments of God or have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So, the “remnants of Israel’s seed” referred to in verse 17 is the church, spiritual Israel, the true descendants of Abraham because of the faith of Abraham. Abraham had faith in the revelation of Jesus Christ just as does the church. It is the church that is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and is carrying out the mission of God. And just as Satan is at war with national/ethnic Israel, he is at war with spiritual Israel, the church. Note that this passage does not refer to the church having the protection of God during this time, only the woman (Israel). In this, we are reminded that the servant is not greater than his Master, therefore the church must suffer many things just as Jesus Christ did.

This interpretation would appear to be at odds with some points of both dispensationalism and covenant theology. Regarding covenant theology, a clear distinction between Israel and the church is made and maintained, and Israel is still under God’s protection, in blindness until the day that it joins the church (though the church was grafted in) in salvation through Jesus Christ. So, the attempts by John Calvin and others to assert that “all Israel will be saved” and other points in Romans 11 actually refers to the church cannot be supported in Revelation 12. As far as dispensationalism goes in general and the rapture doctrine specifically, you have often heard the allegation that no reference to the church appears in Revelation after chapter 3. Not only does Revelation 7:9-17 refer to martyred Christians “who have come out of great tribulation” (and hence the 144,000 also refers to the church), but Revelation 12:17 can only refer to the church, and Satan’s wrath against it.

And as noted earlier, the reference to Satan’s wrath against the church in Revelation 12:17 leads directly to the passages concerning the beast, popularly referred to as the anti-Christ, in Revelation 13. The agent of Satan’s wrath against the church mentioned in Revelation 12:17 will be this beast, and it will be given to this beast to make war against the saints and overcome them (Revelation 13:7). And recall what was stated earlier: Revelation 12 does not mention the church as having the same protection as does national Israel. So, do not be deceived into thinking that these saints will be Jews, or people somehow converted during the great tribulation. (How can these conversions be possible if – according to dispensational doctrines – the indwelling Holy Spirit is gone?)

So during the end of the last days, the great tribulation, both Israel and the church will be present and figure prominently in it. The church during this time will glorify God through its suffering after the manner of Jesus Christ. Israel will glorify God through her continuing to exist despite all efforts to destroy her and the ultimate joining of national Israel with spiritual Israel in salvation through Jesus Christ.

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Burning Incense To Caesar: Regarding Avigdor Lieberman’s Proposed Loyalty Oath In Israel

Posted by Job on February 27, 2009

Two things.

First, I am thoroughly shocked at the intense and pervasive anti – Israel and anti – Semitic feelings around the globe that has been growing exponentially since the September 11th terror attacks. Now I do have a theory on why SOME of this is taking place, specifically among certain corners of the left. First, there has always been a large anti – Semitic presence on the left, but it has been largely muzzled by an apparently pro – Jewish sentiment in that body. I said “apparently” because it was never legitimate, but rather many of these people’s using the Jews. First, Jews were a bold, intellectually vital, and financially necessary part of the radical left in its early days. Second, it was unbecoming to be an open anti – Semite while simultaneously agitating for equal or special rights for blacks, women, Hispanics, homosexuals, atheists etc. Third, and perhaps most important, Jews were very important as a strategic weapon against conservatives, which at the time was primarily led by anti – Semitic (or at least non – Zionist) paleoconservatives.

Now the situation has reversed itself. The radical left is now mainstream, fully in control of the government and further having made major inroads in our corporate and financial institutions. So, they no longer need the courageous leadership, brilliant ideas, or financial backing of Jewish socialists. Also, multiculturalism and relativism now make it entirely possible – indeed fashionable – to denounce Israel and Jewry as evil while glorifying suicide bombers who target Israeli schoolchildren as freedom fighter servants of “god” through the religion of peace. And most importantly, the left can no longer use the charge of anti-Semitism to attack the actions and motivations conservative opponents, because the paleoconservatism of the recent past has given way to a pro – Zionist neoconservatism, many of whose ideas and leaders come from the ranks of conservative Jews, and much of whose money, numbers, and organizing muscle comes from premillennial dispensational evangelical Christianity. So, where a conservative was often called “anti – Semite” as a political tactic in times past by leftist activists, modern leftist activists now bash Jews and Israel far more overtly, publicly, and viciously than the conservative WASP (or as it were Roman Catholic) bankers and politicians ever did in private, and now use “homophobe” as their weapon of choice against conservatives. The best example of this startling shift: where leftist Martin Luther King, Jr. was a fervent Zionist and employed communist Jews as his speechwriters, organizers, and strategists, Barack HUSSEIN Obama pastor Jeremiah Wright casts his lot with the Palestinian terrorists and counts Louis Farrakhan (and similar) among his support system. Not the Palestinians, mind you, for the overwhelming majority of Palestinians are not violent criminals, but people and groups who have blood on their hands and are thirsty for more of it. And where King was roundly criticized for his Zionist position, Obama and Wright were only challenged – and in an extremely muted fashion – by a few neoconservatives.  This is only explicable by a rapid and amazing rise in the climate of anti – Semitism (both that which exists and that which is tolerated in others) which can only be explained by the activity of evil spirits. 

So, it is in this context that Avigdor Lieberman is being called – amazingly – “Jewish Hitler” in some circles. I will not even bother to explain how such a moniker, such a comparison, is so grotesquely inaccurate and inappropriate that it can either only be made by someone who is unaware of Hitler’s ideology and behavior and is merely used to calling someone that you disagree with “a Nazi” (which does honestly seem to be increasingly the case … the media and the education system seem fine with willfully refusing to educate people about Hitler and the Nazi regime so that any view or ideology that they disagree with, including those in the New Testament, can be accused of either contributing to the Holocaust or leading us to a new one … a columnist for the Detroit Free Press actually claimed that George W. Bush’s proposals to cut taxes and create private Social Security accounts could lead to a state policy of exterminating low income people, and yes people like her often tend to be pro – abortion!).

And what makes Avigdor Lieberman so monstrous? Quite simply, his proposal for a loyalty oath, that all citizens be required to publicly express loyalty to Israel’s continued existence as a Jewish state. Those who refuse have to options: to leave Israel (and if I am correct, it is at Israel’s expense!) or to remain there as a sort of second – class citizen. Lieberman has even stated that a person does not need to declare loyalty to Zionism, which comes with a lot of political and religious implications that a lot of people (including haredi Orthodox Jews!) cannot abide. Such a person merely needs to be willing to declare an acceptance of the fact that Israel exists now and of its continued existence in largely its current makeup and form (a secular western democracy with a mostly Jewish population where Orthodox Judaism plays a huge role – indeed a larger role than Christianity ever has in America, as it is modeled more closely after 19th century Lutheran Germany or Anglican England than America) – in Jewish government and institutions.

Jewish supporters of Lieberman’s proposed oath point out that the United States requires the same of people beocoming  naturalized United States citizens. That is a willfully false comparison, as Lieberman’s oath would be required of everyone, both natural born citizens and already naturalized citizens, as a requirement of retaining their citizenship. In America, it is practically impossible for a natural born or naturalized citizen to be stripped of his status against his will. 

However, Israel is not America. Enumerating the many differences between their legal code and its underlying assumptions and our own would be rather unwieldly, but suffice to say that a Christian could spend a year in an Israeli prison for giving a “Gideon’s Bible” containing the New Testament (as they of course all do) to a Jewish 12 year old. Like all parliamentary democracies, Israel lacks freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and other things that make America much more of a constitutional republic than a pure democracy. 

Also, what Israel chooses to do with its citizenry is ultimately a matter of state, not of the cross. And though I believe Lieberman’s proposal to be exceedingly unwise, as it would be the doings of a democratic state that is not only secular but “founded on and governed according to anti – Christian principles and values” (it is a Jewish state, after all, so cast aside your premillennial dispensational Christian Zionism long enough read the 1, 2, and 3rd John and take its contents seriously) as opposed to the doings of a church or other body of professed Bible believing Christians, my position must be neutral, one of the many things that has happened and will happen in this world until Jesus Christ comes back. 

Yet and still, I cannot restrain myself from considering this policy past and future. It reminds me of the persecution against Christians in the Roman Empire. Christians were required to swear loyalty to the Roman state – and its state religion – with Caesar as head of both the state and religion with the status of a minor god in the religion by signing a document and bowing before either Caesar or his effigy. People who did so received certification of having done so, and people found by authorities in a condition of not having this certification either had to burn incense to Caesar or his statue immediately, or be subject to arrest, torture, and death. This policy resulted in the deaths of Christians in numbers exceeding a million, and the imprisonment or torture of still more.

I think that it is fair to point out that some Christians interpret the “mark of the beast” portions of Revelation to refer to this time, while others – myself included – believe the Roman persecution to be a precursor to the much worse persecution still to come under the great tribulation.

With that in mind: consider this. Were Israel to actually implement Lieberman’s policy (which by the way would take major changes to Israel, including but not limited to a major redirection of public opinion, big changes of Israel’s laws, and a complete overhaul of the composition of their largely liberal courts, which are far more likely to sentence conservative Israelis to 6 months of community service for speech code violations for displaying shirts and bumper stickers with slogans offensive to Muslims – again, Israel has no freedom of speech – than approving a citizenship test), then in order to be viable and practical, the government would have to be able to differentiate between who has taken the loyalty oath and who hasn’t. (After all, Christians had various ways of evading detection and capture by the Romans.) This is not the case of apartheid South Africa, where it was very easy to use physical appearance to determine different treatment by government authorities. Israel is not even planning on automatically deporting those who reject the loyalty oath, but rather giving such people the option of remaining as second class citizens. 

So, how is this to be done except A) completing a national computerized database or registry of people who have  and haven’t declared a loyalty oath and B) requiring people to carry evidence of their loyalty and status with them on their person so that the government officials – and anyone else who decides to enact similar policies of their own, including banks, grocery stores, and other businesses – would be able to differentiate and treat people accordingly? Would it take the form of an identification card that a person would be forced to carry? Well, those can be forged. What about a government – issued microchip? 

But that is just Israel, you say? Wrong. Various interests in America have been promoting “national ID cards” and “national registries” for years to combat everything from legal immigration to voter fraud (not to mention databases of people allowed or not allowed to buy firearms, and also of sex crime offenders … are “hate crimes” offenders next?).  If Israel adopts a national registration and ID system to implement their loyalty oath policy, then other western style governments are very likely to emulate it for their own national ID systems to address their own (real and perceived) problems. As a matter of fact, dictatorships and other authoritarian regimes are even more likely to. 

So, for no other reason than that, Lieberman’s proposal is something to watch and think about, along with the many similar proposals in our own country, especially those who prefer national ID cards over simply building a border fence, or people who claim that there aren’t simple and local solutions to voter fraud.

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John Hagee Christians United For Israel Group Is Recruiting On College Campuses

Posted by Job on July 13, 2008

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JOHN HAGEE: “THANK YOU, POPE BENEDICT”

Posted by Job on June 18, 2008

From Apprising Ministries. In this piece in The Washington Times article referenced below Apprising Ministries points out that we can see Word Faith prosperity preacher John Hagee attempting a little spin control after being criticized over his views of apostate Roman Catholicism:

During his recent visit to the United States, Pope Benedict XVI not only conducted mass and met with the Catholic faithful, but he made a series of public statements about the role that our Judeo-Christian faith can play during these challenging times. As an evangelical Protestant I happen to disagree with Pope Benedict on many issues of Christian doctrine and ritual. But when it comes to his moral vision for America and the world I have one thing to say in response to the Pope’s visit: Amen…

My reaction to Pope Benedict”s visit may surprise some who have come to accept certain caricatures of my views of the Catholic Church. But as I have noted from the start, my critics have ignored the real point and strong emphasis of my words. I have indeed been quite zealous about condemning the past anti-Semitism of the Catholic Church. But I have been equally zealous in condemning Protestant anti-Semitism. Furthermore, as I noted in my 2006 book “Jerusalem Countdown,” I have long viewed Pope John Paul II and now Pope Benedict XVI as partners in this “righteous work” of overcoming our shared legacy of Christian anti-Semitism… (Online source)

O please tell me that Hagee playing the anti-Semitism card here is a joke. This from a man who helps raise funds for Totally  Blasphemy Network and calls himself  “evangelical leader.” And how much more anti-Jewish can you be than to deny them their Savior, John Hagee Denies That Christ (means Messiah) Jesus Is The…Messiah! 

And as far as Joseph Ratzinger is concerned; if he will not repent of his blasphemous and insolent usurping of the title Vicar of Christ, which belongs exclusively to God the Holy Spirit, then I for one hope the Lord sends him and his Roman Catholic front for the Kingdom of God back to Hell where it belongs — Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD?  And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? (Psalm 139:21)

See also:

THE HOLY AND CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

PETER SAYS CHRIST IS THE ROCK

ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL

WE ARE NOT BROTHERS!

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John Hagee: God Sent Hitler To Help Jews Reach The Promised Land!

Posted by Job on May 22, 2008

Apparently this was too much for John McCain, who has now rejected the fellow. “The Arizona senator has said he sought Hagee’s support because the pastor, like himself, is a strong supporter of Israel.” Hmmm … seems as if the LaHaye – Lindsay – Scofield premillenial dispensationalism causes one to love ISRAEL more so than, you know, actual Jews. Why? Because ISRAEL is more important to that eschatological system than actual living breathing human beings are. (The same is true of America with this crowd by the way!) Proof of this is how so many premillenial dispensational leaders are advocating dual covenant theology and/or promises to refrain from evangelizing Jews. Why? So they can maintain the relationships that they need with the Israeli government and Jewish interfaith groups such as the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews that they need to pursue the goal of repatriating as many Jews as they can to Israel. Why? Not so that they can be saved, but so that Jesus Christ will come back and rapture THEM to heaven. The Jews that they will have chosen to repatriate to Israel rather than evangelize (and it is illegal to evangelize in Israel!) will be mostly slaughtered by the anti – Christ WITHOUT HAVING BEEN EVANGELIZED soon after the Christians are in heaven according to this doctrine. So … if this is how you love a Jew, how do you hate one? This doctrine basically causes Christians to focus on their own self interest – getting the rapture to happen as quickly as possible – with little regard for anyone else. Are attitudes like that loving towards Jews or anyone else, including Jesus Christ? 

This is yet another example of how false doctrine makes the heart hard, wicked, and perverse … twice the son of hell that the person was before according to Jesus Christ. Sound Biblical Christian doctrine, on the other hand, inculcates a true love for the Jewish people. 

Hagee said: “In his sermon, Hagee said, “Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun, and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. … How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, ‘My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.'” This is yet another problem with false doctrine. If you stick with sound doctrine based on what the Bible actually says, then you do not have to come up with these crackpot theories. So … God sent the Holocaust against the Jewish people so Jesus Christ can come back and Christians can be taken up in the rapture? Excuse me, but where does the Bible say that? It doesn’t. Since the Bible does not speak of the Holocaust, there is no justification for coming up with a doctrine based on it. But here, in order to justify his eschatological beliefs, Hagee comes up with something so appallingly dripping with self – interest. 

A Biblical perspective makes it clear: the Holocaust happened for the same reason why other great evils do … original sin. There is no reason to add to it, take away from it, or come up with vain speculations that tickle the ears of the hearer. 

But this line from Hagee was classic: “I am tired of these baseless attacks ...” Hagee, these attacks are based on your own comments. Things that you said. From your pulpit. Things that you broadcast on your own TV show. Things contained in your many books, CDs, DVDs, etc. that you have become an exceedingly wealthy man selling. Oh yeah, and isn’t telling people that in 2006 (or was it 2007?) America and Israel were going to attack Iran, leading to the rapture within 6 months to a year later a great way to make sure that they don’t fall behind on their tithes, prosperity preacher! Are you still having your congregation pay tithes now that gas is $4 a gallon and economic times are hard, Hagee? Well Hagee, if you are tired of these baseless attacks, I am tired of your sermons, your ministry, and your entire lifestyle (hey Hagee, how’s the first wife doing?) being baseless as far as the Bible is concerned. If you are tired of it Hagee, then you can either A) become a true Biblical preacher instead of one who deceives and fleeces the flock for money and power or B) get out of the pulpit altogether. The choice is yours. And I am not ashamed to say, Hagee, that if you are tired of a few weeks of criticism based on your false doctrines and lies – and if what you were preaching was TRUE and if you were a TRUE PREACHER you would be GLAD to suffer humiliation and persecution for the Name of Jesus Christ! – the lake of fire will be much more intolerable than people holding you accountable for the falsehoods that come out of your mouth. And oh yes, your stint in the lake of fire will last a lot longer than a presidential election …

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Judeo – Christianity Does Not Include Jesus Christ Or Messianic Jews!

Posted by Job on April 25, 2008

Banning Jesus: What a “Judeo-Christian” Prayer Service Looks Like from Slice of Laodicea:

I had emailed you awhile back about an event similar to this one, co-sponsored by my previous church. It was to pray for Israel, and Jewish folks were invited as well. The problem began when I found out just a day before the event, from the church we were partnered with to do this, that in order not to be offensive they had to remove their crosses that were out in the open, banners with the name of Jesus on them, the speakers were only to read from the Old Testament, and no songs of Jesus were to be sung. They said that we had to agree to this ahead of time or the Jewish participants would not come. Also, Messianic Jews were not allowed to participate as speakers, and if they attended, they had to sit in a special place in the back as to not offend the Jewish folks who think they are traitors to Judaism…

I have stated in the past that these incidents are not by accident. It is part of an ongoing effort on a religion based on rejecting Jesus Christ – rabbinic Judaism – to cause Christians to do the same. Jews claim that it is done to remove the “threat” of proselytization. Nonsense. The biggest threat to Judaism is not proselytization, but of Jews becoming for all practical purpose atheists or marrying non – Jews (also almost always atheists in practice) and not raising their children in Judaism. The threat of persecution is also given as another reason, and I agree that there is a history of such behavior by Christians. Yet Muslims also have persecuted Jews, and Jews do not respond by trying to get nonviolent Muslims to alter and deny their faith. (Quite the contrary, Jews promote the notion that Jews and Muslims were living together in peace before the Christians came and taught the Muslims to hate.)

No, this is all about their being offended at the claims of Jesus Christ being their God and Messiah through whose Name alone can salvation can be granted. So, Jews have been successful in getting liberal “Christians” to deny Jesus Christ because liberal Christianity was basically already there to begin with, so anti – Semitism and the memory of the Holocaust gave them yet another excuse to not only deny fundamentalism within themselves, but to attack Christians that insisted on adhering to it as bigoted and dangerous. It is not that such liberal Christians sincerely care about Jews suffering bigotry and harm as they are offended by fundamentalist Christians continuing to hold onto their doctrines and as such exposing them as the apostate frauds that they are.

But evangelical Christians were a tougher case, because in order to retain influence among those that have rejected theological liberalism and universalism, there remained the need to assert fidelity to scripture. So to them, the way was right wing politics, with dispensational pre – tribulation rapture doctrines added to it. The older Christians probably know within their heart that it is primarily a secular activity for cultural and political reasons, but younger Christians raised on this HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW BETTER.

You have two groups of concern here. First, there are the younger Christians, folks 30, 35, even 40 and younger who were raised in an evangelical church, and for whom the views and activities of Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc. have always been part of their religious mindset. The amazing thing that a lot of these people have grown up reading newspaper columns and listening to radio shows produced by people that they presume to be evangelical Christians (and by this I do not mean the likes of Dobson but actually secular figures like Rush Limbaugh) and have their religious views influenced by them, not to mention by politicians like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. And then there is the second group, which is people that have been converted into political evangelicalism during this time. Counting their children, it may actually be larger. Both groups would be absolutely shocked to find out that before the rise of the religious right, not only was the practice of joining hands with people that explicitly reject Jesus Christ as do rabbinic Jews in spiritual gatherings not done, but similar gatherings between even Roman Catholics and Christians were rare!

And of course, I am going to play the hypocrisy card. Let us say that it were MUSLIMS rather than Jews! THESE SAME PEOPLE WOULD INSIST ON PRAYING IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN THEIR PRESENCE AND DENOUNCE AS AN APOSTATE HERETIC ANYONE WHO REFUSED! Why? Well, Muslims are on the other side politically and represent a different political alignment and worldview, for one thing. That is one of the reasons why so many conservatives are so willing to accept the notion that Barack HUSSEIN Obama may secretly be Muslim. Never mind the fact that radical Islam is not only much more socially conservative than not only the left wing of the Democratic Party but also most evangelical Christian Republicans, since neither Obama or Usama are on their side politically and culturally one is as good as the other.

And that brings us to the really troubling part: the theological one. These folks went delusional with rage when Keith Ellison took the oath of office on a Koran, WHICH WAS HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Let me repeat: WE HAVE SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION, SO IT WAS THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF KEITH ELLISON TO TAKE HIS OATH OF OFFICE ON A KORAN. Yet these same people are willing to allow Jews that reject the New Testament to come sit in their church, and to join them in making meaningless prayers. Now keep in mind: it is very possible for a Muslim to swear himself to a religious right agenda based on the Koran.

But the reason why it has to be Judeo – Christian values (and increasingly Judeo – Christian – Mormon values) is THEOLOGY. Religious right Christians have absolutely no problem proclaiming that Muslims are going to burn in the lake of fire unless they accept Jesus Christ. But Jews? Well, that is when we get into the equivocating. It really does appear that the political and cultural interests of the religious right has affected the theology, especially for those that were not Christians (or alive) before the formation of the religious right. While some – many – most are unwilling to explicitly commit to dual covenant theology, they nonetheless see Jews as having some special place with God – some special spiritual status – that every other person that rejects Jesus Christ does not have. Were that not the case, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY WOULD CONSENT TO A RELIGIOUS SERVICE THAT SPECIFICALLY OMITS JESUS CHRIST AND FORCES THEIR FELLOW BELIEVERS – MESSIANIC JEWS – TO GO TO BE SEGREGATED INTO THEIR OWN SECTIONS JUST AS BLACKS WERE DURING JIM CROW! That is right folks, segregation and discrimination against Jews in a matter that would never be tolerated in the politically correct evangelical church against blacks, Hispanics, or even increasingly homosexuals is being perpetrated against Jews that believe in Jesus Christ. AND IF THAT IS NOT ANTI – SEMITISM AND ANTI – JUDAISM, WHAT IS?

I have to tell you, the only way that Christians would allow not only our Messianic Jewish brethren but the Name of Jesus Christ to suffer such ill treatment would be doctrinal confusion that causes them to believe that conservative Jews are “kinda sorta born again, or will be accepted by God in some way even if they aren’t.” Otherwise, what is the reason? What is the justification? The irony is that some of these same people were criticizing Rick Warren for allowing Barack HUSSEIN Obama and Hillary Clinton to speak at his TOTALLY SECULAR conference on AIDS are participating in this day of prayer. So what more proof do we need that the anti – Christ spirit is acting through and using the religious right in America? And why aren’t more of us rending our clothes over it?

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