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Marcus and Joni Lamb Endorse Juanita Bynum!

Posted by Job on March 29, 2008

From Marcus and Joni Lamb Compromise Again!! on Theology Today.

On January 21, 2008, I posted a blog regarding comments Marcus and Joni Lamb had made at a meeting of so-called Christian leaders held at the Charisma Magazine headquarters. I questioned the Lambs integrity then, and was reluctant to label the Lambs as hypocrites. Last night I watched Daystar, airing a repeat of a past Share-a-Thon featuring “Prophetess” Juanita Bynum whooping and hollering and raising money for Daystar.

In light of the “prophetesses” appearance last night, this statement makes Marcus Lamb a hypocrite;

We must have personal revival. Marcus Lamb, founder of the Daystar Television Network, fought back tears as he lamented how far leaders have fallen in this day of Christian superstar scandals. “When was the last time we fasted?” he asked. “When was the last time we studied the Word just to hear from God?” Lamb believes “an alarm was sounded in 2007” that is calling each of us back to the simplicity of devotion to Jesus.

Keep in mind that Lamb made the above statement after his Fall Share-a-Thon when he had Bynum, Paula White and Jamaal Harrison Bryant appearing in re-runs raising money. Each of these three has had major personal public scandals in the past year and each of these three has either been divorced or in the process of getting one at the time of their appearance on Daystar’s Share-a-Thon.

So, what does the tear filled “Little Lamb of God” pull two month’s later? He shows re-runs of Juanita Bynum prancing around in a white robe begging for money for his network. Does this look like lament to you? Does this look like a man whose fasted and prayed over his choices as to who he should be using to raise money for a “Christian” network?

Maybe in the fall of 2007 we could have given Lamb a pass on his poor judgment. After all, we all make mistakes but this is beyond making a mistake. What this is the very definition of compromise and hypocritical behavior and hardly exhibits the fruit of a Christian leader or a Christian network.

It’s fairly obvious Lamb utilizes the talents of famous people like Ms. Bynum to raise money whether they are Christian or not so what’s next? Maybe Tom Cruise can make an appearance or how about Oprah Winfrey? I’m sure those two would bring in big bucks and they have at least one thing in common with the rest of Lambs circus of the stars…..they don’t preach Christ crucified either.

Marcus Lamb is a hypocrite ladies and gentlemen. His network hosts more heretics then a hyper preterist conference. Lamb can’t and shouldn’t be trusted as he has clearly demonstrated the survival of his “Christian” network means more to him then demonstrating Christian integrity.

I titled the post I made in January “Only Time Will Tell” because I wanted to give the Lambs a chance to demonstrate their integrity. I guess it didn’t take too long for them to show their true colors did it?


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Taking Christ out of Christianity: The Direction Of The Liberal Church

Posted by Job on March 25, 2008

At least this woman has the courage and honesty to admit what liberal Christians actually believe. Taking Christ out of Christianity

Taking Christ out of Christianity
Avant garde pastor teaches a new Christianity where the way you live is more important than beliefs


March 22, 2008

That triumphal barnburner of an Easter hymn, Jesus Christ Has Risen Today – Hallelujah, this morning will rock the walls of Toronto’s West Hill United Church as it will in most Christian churches across the country.

But at West Hill on the faith’s holiest day, it will be done with a huge difference. The words “Jesus Christ” will be excised from what the congregation sings and replaced with “Glorious hope.”

Thus, it will be hope that is declared to be resurrected – an expression of renewal of optimism and the human spirit – but not Jesus, contrary to Christianity’s central tenet about the return to life on Easter morning of the crucified divine son of God.

Generally speaking, no divine anybody makes an appearance in West Hill’s Sunday service liturgy.

There is no authoritative Big-Godism, as Rev. Gretta Vosper, West Hill’s minister for the past 10 years, puts it. No petitionary prayers (“Dear God, step into the world and do good things about global warming and the poor”). No miracles-performing magic Jesus given birth by a virgin and coming back to life. No references to salvation, Christianity’s teaching of the final victory over death through belief in Jesus’s death as an atonement for sin and the omnipotent love of God. For that matter, no omnipotent God, or god.

Ms. Vosper has written a book, published this week – With or Without God: Why the Way We Live is More Important than What We Believe – in which she argues that the Christian church, in the form in which it exists today, has outlived its viability and either it sheds its no-longer credible myths, doctrines and dogmas, or it’s toast.

She is considered one of the bright, if unconventional, minds within the United Church, Canada’s largest Protestant Christian denomination. She holds a master of divinity degree from Queen’s University and was ordained in 1992. She founded and chairs the Toronto-based Canadian Centre for Progressive Christianity.

Other Christian clergy and theologians have talked about the need to dramatically reform the doctrines of a faith that, with the exception of its vibrancy in the United States, has lost huge numbers of adherents throughout the Western world it once dominated as Christendom. In Canada, where 75 per cent of the population self-identifies as Christian, only about 16 per cent attend weekly services.

Addressing those statistics, what Ms. Vosper proposes is not so much reform as a scorched-earth approach.

A number of leading theologians in Britain – where the decline in adherents is more dramatic than in Canada – are on the same path, people like Richard Holloway, former bishop of Edinburgh and primate of the Scottish Episcopal (Anglican) Church, who has likened the Christian church to a self-service cafeteria stacked with messy trays of leftover food urgently in need of being thrown out.

Like Bishop Holloway, Ms. Vosper does not want to dress up the theological detritus – her words – of the past two millennia with new language in the hope of making it more palatable. She wants to get rid of it, and build on its ashes a new spiritual movement that will have relevance in a tight-knit global world under threat of human destruction.

She says there’s been virtually a consensus among scholars for the past 30 years that the Bible is not some divine emanation – or in Ms. Vosper acronym, TAWOGFAT, The Authoritative Word of God For All Time – but a human project filled with contradictions and the conflicting worldviews and political perspectives of its authors.

And yet, she says, the liberal Christian churches, including her own, won’t acknowledge that it is a human project, that it’s wrong in parts and that, in the 21st century, it’s no more useful as a spiritual and religious guide than a number of other books.

She says now that the work of biblical scholars has become publicly accessible, the churches and their clergy are caught living a lie that few people will buy much longer. “I just don’t think we can placate those in the pews long enough to transition into a kind of new community that doesn’t keep people away.”

She wants salvation redefined to mean new life through removing the causes of suffering in the world. She wants the church to define resurrection as “starting over,” “new chances.” She wants an end to the image of God as an intervening all-powerful authority who must be appeased to avoid divine wrath; rather she would have congregations work together as communities to define God – or god – according to their own worked-out definitions of what is holy and sacred. She wants the eucharist – the symbolic eating and drinking of Jesus’s body and blood to make the congregation part of Jesus’s body – to be instead a symbolic experience of community love.

Theologians asked to comment on her book said they wouldn’t until they’ve read it.

But one of her colleagues who knows her well, Rev. Rob Oliphant, the progressive pastor of Toronto’s Eglinton St. George’s United Church, said, “While I’m somewhat sympathetic to the aims of it all – getting rid of the nonsense and keeping the core faith – I think that there is something lacking in it all. Gone is metaphor, poetry, symbol, image, beauty, paradox.”

Ms. Vosper said she and her congregation have tried hard not to lose those elements in their search for the sacred and the transcendent in life.

She met with members of her congregation last Sunday to discuss what the impact might be of her book.

She said it would take only a single vote of a presbytery – a local governing body of the church – to bring her before the church courts if a complaint against her is made, and the courts could be interested in examining what it means to be in “essential agreement” with the church’s statement of faith.

“I can find myself in there [the statements of faith] but there’s whole parts of it where I go, ‘Oh my goodness, this is terrible.’ If someone says to me, ‘Do you believe in God?’ I can come up with an answer that would satisfy the courts of the United Church. But would it reflect what’s stated in their statement of faith? I don’t think so. But it wouldn’t be very far from what my colleague down the street, and what his colleague down the street from him, would say. That’s the problem.”

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The Paula White – Rick Hawkins Connection

Posted by Job on March 21, 2008

“Embattled” Paula White and Rick Hawkins “strengthen ties” March 13, 2008 by John

It is a measure of the American Churches blindness that it cannot discern what is going here with Paula White and Rick Hawkins. Having successfully dodged a storm over her “amicable” divorce from Randy White, with no loss of following from her “fans”. Still able to appear on TBN as if she has not done anything to violate minimal Biblical Standards for those who proclaim to be Christian Leaders.

It appears now that Paula White feels comfortable to move on to the next step in her fleshly desires and that is to “shack up” her “ministry” with another so called minister! It would seem the next big announcement will be that she and Rick Hawkins have “married”.

These two people are an absolute disgrace to Christianity! In fact I would be so bold to say that they are not followers of Christ at all as they reflect the works of their true father: Satan himself!

How many thousands if not millions will her behavior have an affect upon? How many millions will look to her behavior as justifiable and the “norm” for not only a supposed Christian Leader, but Christians in general!

The continuing damage this Jezebel does to Christianity is incalculable!


TV evangelist and motivational speaker Paula White, whose high-profile ministry is under review by a Senate committee, has forged stronger connections to a San Antonio church, having joined its board of directors and scheduled monthly visits throughout this year.

The nondenominational church, formerly called Family Praise Center, recently changed its name to San Antonio Epicenter, and founder Bishop Rick Hawkins remains its leader.

The Epicenter’s Web site reflects the church’s makeover and highlights White’s branding, including her monthly appearances and use of the church’s stage, remodeled to turn into a TV studio, for her recordings.

“From this stage, a potential 2.3 billion households will be touched throughout the world,” the narrator says in an online video.

The revamping of the church follows several controversies last year, including Hawkins’ divorce, the divorce of his son, Dustin, whom Rick had designated as pastor, and a WOAI investigation in which former church members questioned Hawkins’ integrity as a minister, including his spending of church money.

It alleged he paid former church members to keep quiet, which Hawkins has denied is improper or illegal, given church policy about severance packages for departing staff.

At the first service after the report aired, Hawkins praised the congregation for remaining loyal and reminded them that he already had apologized in church for past “sins and mistakes.”

White co-founded a megachurch in Tampa with her now-former husband, Randy White. The couple announced an amicable divorce last fall, saying no infidelity took place but sparking a debate among evangelicals about whether the breakup was appropriate.

Her expensive lifestyle, which includes a Trump Tower condo and a ministry jet, also has been fodder for public comment. She and her ex-husband are among six multimillion-dollar ministries that Sen. Chuck Grassley is individually reviewing in an inquiry about their compliance with non-profit tax policy.

White has defended her high-dollar ministry income as a blessing from God to accomplish his work, noting her donations to the disadvantaged worldwide.

White’s ministry spokeswoman Sheila Withum and her public relations agency WDC Media said White was not available for comment. Calls and e-mails to Will Norris, Epicenter’s spokesman and a staff pastor, were not returned.

All six TV ministers, including White, espouse some form of the so-called prosperity gospel, which emphasizes a message that God provides financial rewards for those committed to regular donations to their churches and ministries.

The Whites are among four of the ministries that the committee has reported as not cooperating with its requests for financial information, prompting the committee recently to prepare another round of requests and fueling speculation that subpoenas eventually could be sought.

The committee’s inquiries have intensified an already active debate about how open tax-exempt churches and ministries should be with their financial records. One side is suspicious that the Senate committee could be interfering with religious freedom. Others say the government is enforcing nonprofit tax laws that might be abused by church leaders in the name of charity. “We’re just saying enough with the funny business,” said Lee Grady, editor of the popular Christian magazine, Charisma, based in Florida.

“We have now entered into a new season. It’s a season of accountability. It’s a season of disclosure, and I’ve been saying that God Almighty is auditing the church.”

White, who has lived in Tampa, bought a home near Boerne six months ago and has set up a “media headquarters” for Paula White Ministries at the San Antonio church, according to the Epicenter Web site.

Hawkins, who owns a ranch outside of Boerne, serves on the board of White’s PWM Life Center, a nonprofit organization created last year. In keeping with White’s national profile, the Epicenter this year has scheduled notable Christian musicians and speakers for regular services and special events.

Among the changes is a new Saturday service led by a couple with ties to nationally known ministries, according to the church’s Web site. John and Jan Cruse are said to be leading “The Gathering” service.

John is described as the brother of Cindy Cruse, noted worship leader for Lakewood Church in Houston, the nation’s largest Protestant church pastored by best-selling author Joel Osteen. And Janice Cruse used to sing with the Archers, a longstanding contemporary Christian music group.

This week, the church will feature Bob and Audrey Meisner who will speak about marriage. The Meisners are known for giving a message about restoring marriages, including telling their own story of overcoming issues of infidelity.

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Posted by Job on March 19, 2008

All right you fans of this Word of Faith prosperity heathen blaspheming witch, where are you? Are you going to defend her now? What more is it going to take?

Original post here Paula White’s Outrageous Heresies!

Please compare what you saw and heard on this video to these passages of scripture.

Jesus Christ Is Clearly Called the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

John 1:14   And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

John 3:16   “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Prayer to Jesus

John 14:14 [Jesus said] If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

1Cor. 1:2   To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

Acts 8:22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.

2 Cor 12:7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations,a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”

Acts 7:54   Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57 But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him. 58 Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 8:24 And Simon answered, “Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”

Acts 1:24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen

1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13   I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

Heb. 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Independent Conservative’s take here: Will Paula White be the Biggest Apostate Heretic of 2008? She’s Made Her Self Nomination Known!

I was really flabbergasted (and that’s not a word in my regular vocabulary) at all the heresy I saw from Paula White and her partner in heresy Larry Huck. Honestly, it’s so bad I’m not even comfortable posting the video here. Just check out the post at A Little Leaven titled Paula White’s Outrageous Heresies!

And for the record, I don’t feel either Paula White or Larry Huck are saved or ever were saved. It’s apparent they wanted money and they got it. Yea it’s OK to pray for them, but lets not play games here, what they’ve done is all of 2 Peter 2.

I mean seriously, I’ve heard much heresy from these people, but this one is really shocking, even to me.

Also, our brother on YouTube bezel333 has a video all about Paula and Larry titled The unbiblical musings of Paula White and friends.

Listen, I know that it offends the sensibilities of so many Christians today, especially the church of judge not. But listen folks, some people are just going to the lake of fire and burn for an eternity! That is the truth. Some people are going to go to HELL! If you are a liar, apostate, blasphemer, diviner, cheat, fornicator, or thief sitting in a pulpit, you are going to HELL! If you are sitting in a “church” following these wicked people, you are going to go to HELL too right behind them! What? I don’t have the right or authority to say this about people? Excuse me, but yes I do! Where do I get this authority from? THE BIBLE! IT IS IN THE BIBLE! Are any of you people that are following and defending these evil wicked people reading your Bibles?

Listen, the prosperity/Word of Faith doctrines are what is behind all this. You have all of these people going back scouring the Old Testament and thereby rejecting the new covenant built on better promises looking for their material blessings. Well, once you start pushing away Jesus Christ and eternal life to the backburner, He starts figuring less prominently in your mind. That is what the prosperity doctrine does. And the Word of Faith doctrine? By convincing yourself that you can metaphysically cause your own blessings to come upon you by speaking, naming and claiming, etc. you convince yourself that “you can be like the Most High.” You start elevating yourself higher and higher and bringing God lower and lower.

Listen, I know this topic makes a lot of people uneasy and for that reason they don’t want to talk about it. But it is time for Christians to face facts: people are going to go the lake of fire to burn for an eternity. Once we acknowledge that fact within ourselves, we have to start considering precisely who the people are that are going to meet with this awful fate, and the sole determinant should be what the Bible says. Not what the preacher says, not what you feel is good and right, not what the denomination says, but what the Bible says. After you have done that, then you need to look at yourself. Yes, church of judge not, you have to judge yourself. Examine yourself to see whether you be in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5)! As yourself “Am I going to go to the lake of fire? If so, why? If not, why not?” Pray and ask God this question. Most of all, READ YOUR BIBLE AND JUDGE YOURSELF AGAINST SCRIPTURE. JUDGE YOURSELF AGAINST THE REALLY HARD TOUGH THINGS. Like when Jesus Christ says “And they shall be cast into outer darkness and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Read the people that Jesus Christ is talking about and ask yourself “DOES THAT APPLY TO ME?!” Go to the warnings in Revelation 2 and Revelation 3. As yourself “Am I in one of these types of churches? Am I one of the Jezebels, Balaams, Nicolataines, etc. type of people in these churches?” Go to the lists of sins and sinners all over the New Testament, and see if any of those things apply to you! Revelation 21:8 Revelation 22:15 2 Timothy 3:1-5 Romans 1:29-31 and many more! If the shoe fits, you don’t have to sit around and wear it! You can fall on your knees and beg God to take it off! But that is never going to happen so long as you are following false preachers that fit this description and sending them money!

As I have said many a time, there is no reason to follow these people. There are plenty of good pastors and preachers out there. The problem is that people have no interest in them. They want to be lied to and they want to be exploited and misled because the liars and exploiters ENTERTAIN them. They make them feel good and happy! That is what it is all about these days! Being entertained! Well are any of you aware of how Christians are being imprisoned, raped, tortured, and murdered all over the world right now? Do you realize that more Christians died for the faith in the 20th century than in all the previous centuries combined? So did any of you go up to one of those Christian woman in Sudan while she being raped, chopped with machetes, and whatever was left of her was then doused with gasoline and set on fire (I am not making this stuff up!) if she was having a good time? If she was having any fun? If the principles of prosperity that you learned out of some book that you bought at some conference were moving in her life? If she was speaking life into her situation and creating with the power of the tongue?

Somehow, I doubt it. I will tell you why … because you are following a form of false Christianity that is completely irrelevant to how the majority of Christians in the world are living today. Did you even know that there are more “third world” Christians now than western ones? The clear majority of Christians today are living in poverty, oppression, or both. And yet theirs is the kingdom of heaven, see Matthew 5:3!

To all of you people out there following this wickedness, I am warning you right now, come out of it, because otherwise your faith is a fraud, your religion is a lie, and that makes you both of those things plus many more.

Look, even if your pastor, your friends, your family, etc. are on the road to destruction, you don’t have to be a lemming like them and fall off the edge of the cliff. You can be saved. You can be redeemed. You can be spared the wrath of the Lamb! Don’t be like them! Be like Jesus Christ! Follow The Three Step Salvation Plan today!

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Can Women Serve As Pastors?

Posted by Job on March 15, 2008

Why Women Cannot Be Preachers

Juanita Bynum, Paula White, Medina Pullings, etc. fans take note.

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So The Troop Surge Worked? How About A Christian Missionary Surge Then?

Posted by Job on February 16, 2008

According to the opinions of many regarding the Iraq Conflict, the troop surge has been a success. I will not dispute them. After all, critics of the way that George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were handling the war stated that we needed more troops from the outset. When they did so, neoconservative defenders of the Bush administration stated that such critics – which included not only liberal Democrats but plenty of conservatives including John McCain and John McTiernan (author of “The Hunt for Red October”) – did not know anything about military strategy, were harming the war effort, were trying to undermine and embarrass Bush and Rumsfeld, and even was driven by a desire for the increased casualties that would result from exposing all those extra troops to unnecessary harm could then be used to turn public opinion against the war. And yes, the troop surge never took place and Rumsfeld never resigned until after the very people that had been calling for both from the outset took control of Congress in 2006. So the war supporters that can explain why we invaded Iraq in the first place or why we remained there after the public premise for our invasion was rendered moot, please consider these facts when you evaluate both the success of the surge and the person that ordered it.

Now as for the curiosity that the most ardent supporters of George Bush and his Iraq War policy (meaning that they both defended Bush when he was insisting against the advice of military experts that no surge was necessary and now insist that he deserves full credit for the surge that he unwillingly acquiesced to out of political necessity) are theologically conservative Christians: what are we to make of them? I am sorry, but I have not seen any command or precedent in favor of lending organized political support to state warfare policy in the New Testament. However, one thing that I have seen many such explicit commands and precedents in the New Testament for is the Great Commission. The New Testament directly repeatedly tells us that our primary responsibility is to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to every nation, people, tribe, etc. on the planet. Yet nearly 2000 years after that commission was given, there is an estimated 2 – 3 billion unreached people, a population several times greater than that of the entire world at the time that the Great Commission was given by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

So, should there not be a missionary surge to accompany this troop surge, both of men going into the field and the support that we give them in terms of prayer and finances? (Now when I stated “men”, it was not merely in keeping with my practice of favoring chauvinistic language. Rather, it was in recognition of the fact that TWO THIRDS OF MISSIONARIES ARE FEMALE!) Certainly there is, and I would hope that the Christians that have been so faithful in their support of the troop surge in Iraq would be the very ones to lead the way with their prayers, sacrificial giving, and also their own sons and daughters. Allow me to recommend my favorite missionary ministry, Gospel For Asia at for starters.

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Prisoner Alert: Chinese House Church Pastor Li Mei

Posted by Job on February 3, 2008

Arrested: July 2007

Print Fact Sheet

In July 2007, 42-year-old Li Mei and nine house church leaders were arrested, when they were discovered having a Sunday worship service. They were charged with singing Christian hymns to villagers, showing the JESUS film in a nursing home and praying for healing for a disabled elderly man. The nine were sentenced to re-education through labor for 12 to 18 months. Li Mei served part of her one-year sentence in a hospital with both hands chained to her bed. Repeated beatings and torture caused her to require a hysterectomy. She is currently serving the remainder of her sentence at home under house arrest.

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Sex Sells Especially In The Church: Juanita Bynum Jezebel Apostasy Act On BET

Posted by Job on December 21, 2007


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Paula White Claims She Is A Better Preacher Than Apostle Paul!

Posted by Job on November 15, 2007

In the process of Brother Laz’ weblog a visit, I happened upon a video where Paula White compares her preaching to that of to Apostle Paul. Now Brother Laz shows more mercy towards Paula White than I have. Maybe I will one day reach where he is in Christian love, mercy, and maturity. But where I am right now, I say UNLESS THIS WOMAN REPENTS SHE IS GOING TO SPEND AN ETERNITY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AND WILL TAKE A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE WITH HER!

Anyway, White says that Paul never took hermeneutics, never took homiletics, that he was boring (says she NEVER puts anybody to sleep). But do not worry, according to her, it doesn’t matter because what we need isn’t PREACHING anyway. Instead, what we need anyway is “a word from the Lord.” Yet, she claims that Paul’s words are useful to her. Why? Because according to her exegesis of the Pauline scriptures, GOD WANTS HER TO BE RICH! That is right, she used (selective, out of context, and outright inaccurate) quotations from the writings of Paul to support her prosperity doctrine. And then she claims that Romans 1:8 means that no one has the right to call her a lying blaspheming heretic that is going to bust the lake of fire wide open unless she repents. See below:

Well, I can understand her desire to belittle Paul because lest we forget it is Paul that told us that women are not supposed to be pastors – especially not head pastors – in the first place. Paul also says that you cannot spouse – swap and be a pastor. And Paul also says that Christian women should have modest appearance for various reasons, which is inconvenient to Paula, Inc. as represented in the video below.

Paul was talking about PEOPLE LIKE HER in 2 Timothy 3. Oh yes, despite his being lacking in the art of homiletics, Paul manages to totally destroy her prosperity doctrine AND tell people what to do regarding those who preach it in a single verse: 1 Timothy 6:5.

Paula White loves to say that she is not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Well neither am I, and that is why I make a priority of speaking against people like her that pervert it. Speaking of which, do you know that Juanita Bynum is being featured in an upcoming issue of Essence Magazine, which has long been promoting homosexuality, capitalist consumerism, elitism, and New Age? What will her message to the readers of this publication be? Why victimization, of course!

Oh yes, and this is the best part: PAULA WHITE IS TOTALLY WRONG! Lest we forget, Paul was a Jewish scholar. Jews had been studying hermeneutics and homiletics for hundreds of years – possibly longer – in Paul’s day. Hermeneutics means analyzing and applying texts. When Paul analyzed the Old Testament scriptures and applied them to New Testament doctrine in a way that used the long – established Old Testament scriptures to explain and develop the New Testament doctrine WHILE AT THE SAME TIME using New Testament doctrine to give a greater and more fulfilled meaning to the long established Old Testament scriptures, he was doing hermeneutics par excellence.

Homiletics? Using rhetoric in preaching. Not only did Paul use the diatribe, polemic, hyperbole, etc. but he used multiple rhetorical forms in the same epistle. Some scholars say that Paul invented new styles of rhetoric in his epistles because the literary forms are so complex that they can’t figure them out or classify them. Oh yes, and Paul did produced his hermeneutic and homiletic writings things in plain language that was understandable to everyone from the wealthy intellectual to the penniless illiterate in his day. Though he was a very well educated man, he never once spoke over the heads of – or talked down to – his audience, nor did he pander to the arrogance of the elites. As such, Paul’s homiletics have been emulated by preachers ever since. That is … until the rise of the church of judge not that Paula White is an apostle of apostasy in.

So in short, Paula White is a liar, and an incontrovertible grotesque one at that. And if you didn’t know that already, well it is my job to tell you. Now I leave it to Paula White’s many defenders to come up with an explanation of why Paula White’s standing up and saying things that cannot possibly be true in any context to the roaring approval of her congregation has anything to do with Christianity. Why a woman that stands up and willfully lies to her congregation in order to glorify and elevate herself should not be judged, but loved and prayed for until she is restored. Why you would advocate a liar remaining in the pulpit so that she can lead people astray with more lies.

It just so happens that I have a few Bible commentary books in my possession and know what homiletics and hermeneutics mean. I also have a DVD on hermeneutics from Ray Comfort’s ministry (it is called Herman Who, please buy it, it is only $20, the cost of one of Paula White’s DVDs, and I know this because I used to buy those too before, well, I started buying Bible commentaries and DVDs on hermeneutics). So I was immediately able to spot the lie. The vast majority of Paula White’s members and supporters do not, White knows this, and cravenly willfully took advantage of them to serve no purpose other than to glorify herself.

This is not about me worshiping Paul, by the way. Paul is not even my favorite New Testament writer, and I actually prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament anyway. This is about a woman who chooses to be a liar in the pulpit. If you want to defend and follow a liar and accuse me of worshiping Paul to justify it, that is your business. But the bottom line is that you cannot read this without being confronted with the fact that Paula White lies to glorify herself. What you choose to do with that information is between you and God.

Update: Please see IndependentConservative’s superior treatment of this video

Paula White Trashes the Words of Paul and Empowers Greed.

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Mainstream Media Exposes Joyce Meyer: She Received MILLIONS

Posted by Job on November 6, 2007

I did not originate this content, but it is taken from melton on the forums!

God’s Word commands us to expose false Apostles, Prophets and Teachers. I am aware that this subject will be uncomfortable to many, as it was to me when I became aware of it.

We live one hour south of ST. Louis Missouri. Joyce Meyer Ministries is located in ST. Louis, and there is a repulsion and disgust for her extravagant lifestyle here.

Joyce Meyer has been in trouble for violating federal tax exempt status laws. For any non for profit business or ministry to be classified as tax exempt, they must meet certain standards. There is a cap on the salaries of employees or ministers. There is also a limit to the amount of possession’s the ministry can own. Joyce Meyer ministries as also been investigated for income tax evasion. They have battled with Jefferson County over this for quite some time.

Joyce Meyer’s attorneys advised her to sell some of their homes and reduce her salary in order to avoid prosecution. She shifted her money around in order to accomplish this.

Below is an excerpt from the ST. Louis Post Dispatch newspaper.

The ministry’s board of trustees, which is headed by Joyce Meyer, agreed to pay
her a $900,000 annual salary in 2002 and 2003.

The board agreed to give her husband, Dave Meyer, the board’s vice president,
an annual salary of $450,000 in each of those same two years.

The board agreed to provide the couple with free personal use of a corporate
jet and luxury cars, a $2 million home where all bills are paid by the ministry
and a separate $50,000-a-year housing allowance.

The ministry paid $1.475 million to buy three houses for the three Meyer

The board authorized Joyce and Dave Meyer to control a $790,000 fund to be used
at their discretion for bonuses to “executive management.”

The job duties of seven employees of the ministry include sorting gifts
“personally received” for Joyce and David Meyer, including cash and jewelry.

TV evangelist Joyce Meyer and her family have received millions in salary and
benefits from her worldwide ministry in recent years, according to newly
released records.

The documents, obtained by the Post-Dispatch under Missouri’s Open Records
laws, provide the first public look at how the worldwide broadcasting and
publishing empire has compensated Meyer and her family.

They paint a picture of a minister and her family who have reaped large
financial rewards from the ministry they created and control. Over 20 years,
Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton has grown to a $90 million-a-year empire with
TV and radio programs that reach millions of people in about 70 countries.

Among the details included in the financial statements, board minutes and other
documents Meyer provided to the assessor of Jefferson County in a dispute over
the tax-exempt status of its headquarters property:

The ministry’s board of trustees, which is headed by Joyce Meyer, agreed to pay
her a $900,000 annual salary in 2002 and 2003.

The board agreed to give her husband, Dave Meyer, the board’s vice president,
an annual salary of $450,000 in each of those same two years.

The board agreed to provide the couple with free personal use of a corporate
jet and luxury cars, a $2 million home where all bills are paid by the ministry
and a separate $50,000-a-year housing allowance.

The ministry paid $1.475 million to buy three houses for the three Meyer

The board authorized Joyce and Dave Meyer to control a $790,000 fund to be used
at their discretion for bonuses to “executive management.”

The job duties of seven employees of the ministry include sorting gifts
“personally received” for Joyce and David Meyer, including cash and jewelry.

Meyer, a former bookkeeper who has built one of the world’s largest television
ministries, has faced criticism from watchdog groups and the Jefferson County
assessor in recent years.

Federal law bars founders of tax-exempt religious organizations from reaping
huge personal benefits from their ministries. Salaries of religious leaders
must be reasonable, meaning they must fall in line with those of other
religious leaders in the area, according to the law.

Joyce and Dave Meyer declined through a spokesman to be interviewed for this
article. Ministry spokesman Mark Sutherland scheduled a news conference at the
Fenton headquarters Friday after the Post-Dispatch posed questions regarding
the Meyer family members’ salaries and perks. He said Meyer was holding a
three-day religious event in Hershey, Pa.

Sutherland noted that Meyer has never denied getting a hefty salary.

“We believe that the Bible teaches that if you give, you will be blessed,”
Sutherland said. “She’s been saying it from the stage for years.”

Sutherland said a Post-Dispatch investigation in late 2003 that raised
questions about the ministry’s spending prompted Meyer to take a reduced annual
salary beginning last year. He said she currently receives $250,000 in taxable

The ministry still provides the Meyers with free use of the home, the cars, the
plane and an $80,000 annual retirement contribution, he said.

Meyer also receives a portion of the $3 million a year in royalties earned from
books and tapes sold at bookstores, Sutherland said. He declined to provide a
specific figure. Previously, that money had gone to the ministry, he said.

Sutherland said that Meyer provided more in royalties to the ministry over the
years than she and her husband had received in salaries and benefits. Meyer has
70 books in print, including one on the New York Times bestseller list.

Critics say that Meyer should not personally be receiving royalties because
workers paid by the ministry help to produce the books and tapes.

Setting salaries, perks

Copies of minutes from ministry board meetings in 2001 and 2002 indicate that
Joyce and Dave Meyer participated in board meetings where their salaries and
perks were approved. Minutes also show that three of the children, who are also
board members, sat in on votes when the board approved the purchase of homes
for them.

Sutherland said Friday that neither Joyce Meyer nor her husband nor the
children ever voted as board members at those meetings. He said such votes are
barred by a 1996 federal law.

The minutes prepared by the board’s secretary describe the family members as
attending and that the votes were unanimous. They do not reflect that anyone
abstained from a vote.

Sutherland said Friday that he could not explain the apparent discrepancy.

In recent years, the ministry’s board has ranged in size from eight to 11
members – Joyce and Dave Meyer, two or three of their children, personal
friends and pastors.

Sutherland said that an “independent compensation board” within that group sets
the Meyers’ salaries. No family members are part of the compensation committee,
he said.

The full board meets once a year to act on the committee’s salary
recommendations, he said. “Dave and Joyce are not even in the board meeting
when their salary is voted on,” Sutherland said.

All four of Joyce and Dave Meyer’s children have been paid salaries by the
ministry as have their spouses.

According to tax records for 2003, the ministry paid one son, David Meyer,
$101,076; another son, Daniel Meyer, $49,453 and daughter Laura Holtzmann, who
works part time, $14,250. In 2001, another daughter, Sandra McCollom, was paid

The ministry also paid son David Meyer a $10,000-a-year housing allowance in
2002 and 2003, even though he lived in the ministry home free of charge,
records show.

Sutherland on Friday declined to provide the current salaries of the Meyer

The Post-Dispatch reported last month that the ministry has put up for sale the
homes lived in by daughter McCollom and her family and by David Meyer and his
family. McCollum’s is selling for $1.3 million and David Meyer’s for $1.25
million. Both adjoin the property where Joyce Meyer lives near Interstate 270
and Gravois Road in south St. Louis County.

Fighting over taxes

Joyce Meyer Ministries has been battling Jefferson County Assessor Randy
Holman for several years to keep its $30 million headquarters and its contents
off the tax rolls.

Holman has maintained that the ministry’s property does not qualify to be tax

Under the law, a religious organization can be tax exempt only if its property
is used for the public good and only if public church services are held
regularly at the site, Holman said. Meyer’s headquarters has no public
services; its chapel is used only by the 600 employees who produce and sell
tapes and books, broadcast Meyer’s television program and collect money for the

Holman contends that the ministry is a business – the business of selling Joyce

The ministry’s headquarters is on Highway 30 near Fenton. If the headquarters
were removed from the tax rolls, local governments, schools and other agencies
would lose $761,741 this year alone. The ministry says it has separately
donated additional money to schools and other agencies.

Joyce Meyer Ministries has paid its taxes under protest and is appealing
Jefferson County’s actions. The Missouri Tax Commission is expected to hold a
hearing in the coming months.

The ministry’s appeal meant it had to provide the assessor with otherwise
private records – minutes of board meetings, income statements, organizational
charts and employee job descriptions. Once the assessor had them, they became
public under Missouri law.

Holman argues that the Meyer family is personally profiting from the ministry.
The law states that exempt religious property “cannot be held for private or
corporate profit,” he said.

Bolstering his case, Holman said, is Joyce Meyer’s decision last year to begin
getting royalties from the sales of her books and tapes produced by the

Holman says that because Meyer’s employees help to write, proofread, edit,
record, advertise and distribute the books, tapes and television program, and
because Meyer is now taking the royalties from their sales, the law bars the
ministry from being tax exempt.

At least 37 workers at the ministry have job duties that include writing or
editing, job descriptions produced by the ministry show. Nearly 90 workers
reproduce and distribute Meyer’s products.

“She’s using the ministry for her own private gain,” Holman said. “That’s the
position we’re taking.”

Records filed with the assessor also show that collecting money and gifts is a
major part of the work at the headquarters. Dozens of workers count the money
streaming in each day. And seven ministry workers spend at least part of their
time keeping track of the personal gifts that go through the ministry to Joyce
and Dave Meyer, according to their job descriptions.

On Friday, Sutherland denied that Meyer accepts any gifts without having them
independently appraised and paying the ministry for them.

Sutherland also disputed Holman’s stance on the ministry’s tax status.

“We feel that since the federal and state governments have told us that we’re
tax-exempt that the local government should honor that,” he said. “No one
should pay taxes they are not required to pay.”

A watchdog group called WallWatchers previously has asked the Internal Revenue
Service to investigate the Meyer family’s use of ministry money. IRS officials
have declined to say whether they are doing so.

Sutherland said Friday that the ministry has “not been contacted by the IRS,
nor do we feel there is a reason for them to contact us.”
Reporter Carolyn Tuft E-mail: Phone: 314-340-8105

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Is It JUDGING To Say That Homosexuality Endorsing Tammy Faye Bakker Is In The Lake Of Fire? And TBN Has (Implicitly) Endorsed Homosexuality!

Posted by Job on October 30, 2007

SoldierServant has a powerful spiritual argument for Christians “judging” with scripture to back it up! See his link below:

Christians ARE Supposed To Judge

So “the church of not judge” is teetering on apostasy and heresy! Inspired by his post, I will deal with Tammy Faye Bakker Messner. I admit, I was deceived by this woman. I sincerely believed that she had recommitted her life to Yeshua HaMashiach after her fall in the PTL scandal and her marital and health problems. I actually received emotional inspiration by watching her faithfully read her Bible while on “The Surreal Life” reality show (which I had to stop watching after an episode because of some of the other participants on it) and her frequent testimonies on Larry King Live and TBN.

But now the truth is out. On one of her TBN appearances, she vigorously defended the “ministry” of her son, and did so to the roaring approval of the audience and interviewer. Regrettably, I do not have that clip, but I have two clips below of her TBN interview by Matt Crouch at the bottom. What is the big deal? Well Jay Bakker supports homosexuality. He says that God spoke to Him and gave him a revelation that He was changing the Bible: that where homosexuality was considered a sin in the past, it was now permissible. Now this is actually worse than the gay rights advocates that claim that the scriptures condemning homosexuality are not authoritative, have been misinterpreted, or need to be brought into the modern context. Instead, Jay Bakker claims the Word of God to be eternal, inerrant, inspired, and the final authority, but that God merely changed His Mind! Now this is apostasy, blasphemy, and heresy of the highest degree!

Of course, claiming that TBN does not know that Jay Bakker is in the streets of Atlanta telling homosexuals that their abomination is just fine (and Bakker also endorses other sins incidentally) is ridiculous: not only do these preachers get ALL the information (especially on someone so prominent as the Bakkers, who helped found TBN along with the Crouches let us not forget!) but it has made national news on CNN and other outlets. So by allowing this woman to defend her son’s false ministry on her airwaves, they are giving consent to the sin of homosexuality just as surely as TD Jakes is by promoting the pro – homosexual views of Dr. Phil McGraw. Oh yes, and that means that Robert Schuller is too, for he had Dr. Phil on his show this year as well, with Dr. Phil defending his false Christianity right about the time that Pastor Bill Keller was denouncing him and his boss new age witch Oprah Winfrey!

Alas, the Atlanta Journal – Constitution, the worst newspaper in the country, printed two articles (here and here) about Bakker’s memorial service. This is the basis that I use for my proposition that Bakker is in the lake of fire, which appears in both. “A woman so nonjudgmental that she loved everybody. That that didn’t always win her unanimous approval was driven home by the presence of a handful of protesters outside the memorial service. Brandishing signs reading “Tammy’s in Hell” and several more unprintable things, they were there to signal their disapproval of Messner’s public embrace of gay people.” Also: The love she has received from so many people within the gay community, I’m eternally grateful for,” Bakker said to a huge burst of applause in the cathedral.

You know, I was completely taken in by Jay Bakker’s act. Why? Because of the vigorous endorsement of his “Revolution Church” by Harry Potter – loving Christianity Today! So let’s see, Christianity Today endorsed homosexual sin endorsing Jay Bakker and homosexual sin endorsing J.K. Rowling and the homosexuality commercials aimed at our small children Spongebob Squarepants and Shark Tale … hmmm do you see a trend in the making? Now I am not ready to make the leap and say that Christianity Today supports homosexuality (though Paul Crouch’s TBN is another matter, and to the tune of $425,000!) but it goes to show that if you swim through enough trash by endorsing it on order to stay “culturally relevant (and see this as well)” you are going to get some stink on you.

Now look, it is VERY POSSIBLE that Tammy Faye Bakker Messner repented with her dying breath or sometime before. Absent that, we Christians should not be lily – livered in declaring her eternal fate, or that of anyone else that rejects the true gospel of Yeshua HaMashiach for apostasy. And no, this is not about Tammy Faye Bakker Messner, who is dead. I am not Roman Catholic, so I hold that there is nothing can be done about those that are dead and gone. This is about the LIVING: the false preachers that are still out there and the people that follow them.

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Women Risking Persecution To Preach The Gospel In India

Posted by Job on October 1, 2007

Please help:

An amazing thing is happening in Gospel for Asia-related churches throughout South Asia. Groups of women are emerging from the young congregations to boldly share their faith and minister to the discouraged and downhearted.

These women are even reaching out beyond their own villages, thanks to the training they receive at GFA Bible colleges. In Sikkim, one group of women chose a large public market as their mission field. The results were tremendous. Read their remarkable story here.

These strong believers are unafraid to step outside traditional boundaries to tell others about the love of Jesus. What a wonderful example of the Great Commission at work.

Yours for the lost of Asia, K.P. Yohannan Founder & President

It was a pretty typical scene. Women searched each stand in the large bazaar for food, clothing and housewares. But one group of ladies made their way through the crowd with another purpose—they came to bring the light of Jesus to those in need.

The journey to the market began early that morning when Binita Lali took a Gospel for Asia Women’s Ministry team to teach some of the ladies at a nearby GFA-related church. After the team encouraged the women and taught them from the Bible, they decided to continue ministering. So, they went to share the Gospel at a bazaar in a village several miles away where there is not yet a church.

As the women reached out to the people in the area, Binita met Badal Paran, an old man who was retired from the army. She began talking with him, and soon Badal revealed that he was very distressed because his wife was mentally ill. His sons were serving far away in the army, and Badal felt overwhelmed with life with nowhere to turn.

“God is faithful, and nothing is impossible for Him,” Binita shared with Badal. Then, she shared the Gospel message with him. Tears began to flow down Badal’s face as he became convicted of his sins. With a repentant heart, he chose to follow Christ that very moment.

All of the women gathered around and fervently prayed for Badal, their new brother in Christ, and his family. When the prayer came to a close, Badal joyfully said that he felt a huge burden being lifted from his life. He could now put his faith in the Lord, and trust him in everything. Then, he told the women that he wanted to do everything he could to help others know about Christ’s love. Now, the first mission station in this area meets in Badal’s home.
Sharing the Gospel throughout the market, the Women’s Ministry team reached many people on this day.

The Women’s Ministry team requests prayer that Badal’s family will choose to follow Jesus, and that his wife will be completely healed from her mental illness. Also pray for the GFA missionary who has begun leading the services in Badal’s home and ministering to the people of the village.

Women’s Ministry has touched the lives of many throughout Asia

Learn more about Sikkim, India, where the Women’s Ministry team serve.

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More Stupid Juanita Bynum Tricks

Posted by Job on September 27, 2007

The title is courtesy of the old “stupid pet tricks” routine of David Letterman’s, nothing else should be deduced or inferred from it. If it offends you, well then I am sorry but I am offended by people going to an eternity in the lake of fire. Please take note of these entries: A Way To Spot A False Prophet: By The Frequency And Nature Of Their Predictions and The Requirements For The Office Of A Prophet. The graphic shocking content of this post should make any unsaved person realize that they urgently need Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ, in order to be saved from the same totally depraved and utterly wicked state that all humanity is born into that you are about to witness. Please follow The Three Step Salvation Plan and know that unchurched people will be far more likely to be moved to acknowledge that they need help from this than professed Christians. Now on to allow Juanita Bynum to condemn herself in her own words, fully in context!

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