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More Proof That Word of Faith Is Mormonism From Kenneth Copeland!

Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

Kenneth Copeland: the Joseph Smith of our time.

Jesus was infected/injected with satan’s sin nature in order for redemption to work

“He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he’s got Him destroyed.”

Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory program, April 21, 1991)

“The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, ‘My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?’ You don’t know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, ‘Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there — the sign of Satan? Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?’ And the Lord said, ‘Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.’ He said, ‘I accepted, in My own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”

Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

Jesus “put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned].”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Incarnation, 1985, audiotape #01-0402, side 1)

Jesus is said to have remarked, “It was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross….I accepted, in my own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”?

Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

[Jesus] “had to give up His righteousness”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Incarnation, 1985, audiotape #01-0402, side 2)

“How did Jesus then on the cross say, ‘My God.’ Because God was not His Father any more. He took upon Himself the nature of Satan. And I’m telling you Jesus is in the middle of that pit. He’s suffering all that there is to suffer, there is no suffering left . . . apart from Him. His emaciated, little wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing and the devil thinks He’s got Him destroyed. But, all of a sudden God started talking.”
Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN, April 21, 1991)

Jesus was the first born again man

“He allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived … Every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him … [They] tortured Him beyond anything that anybody has ever conceived … In a thunder of spiritual force, the voice of God spoke to the death-whipped, broken, punished spirit of Jesus … [in] the pit of destruction, and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life … He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles … Jesus Christ dragged Satan up and down the halls of hell … Jesus … was raised up a born-again man … The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited … !”

Kenneth Copeland (“The Price of it All,” Believer’s Voice of Victory, September 1991, p. 4)

“In hell He [Jesus] suffered for you and for me. The Bible says hell was made for Satan and his angels. It was not made for men. Satan was holding the Son of God there illegally … The trap was set for Satan and Jesus was the bait.”

Kenneth Copeland (Walking in the Realm of the Miraculous, 1979, p. 77)

“The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”
Kenneth Copeland (Substitution and Identification, tape #00-0202, side 2)

” …that Word of the Living God went down into that pit of destruction and charges the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly, His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil has never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex his spiritual muscles… Jesus was born again — the firstborn from the dead.”
Kenneth Copeland (The Price of it All, Believer’s Voice in Victory, vol 19 September 1991, p.9)

“He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason… There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.”

Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

The church is in control, not God

“As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word.”

Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, p. 32)

These men think they’re Gods!

“Jesus is no longer the only begotten Son of God.”

Kenneth Copeland (Now We Are In Christ Jesus, 1980, p. 24)

“You are not a spiritual schizophrenic — half-God and half-Satan — you are all-God”?

Kenneth Copeland (Now We Are in Christ Jesus, 1980, p.16-17)

“You don’t have a god in you, you are one”

Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Love, 1987, audiotape #02-0028, side 1)

“I say this with all respect so that it don’t upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, ‘I Am,’ I just smile and say, ‘Yes, I Am, too!'”

Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN July 9, 1987)

“Now Peter said by exceeding great and precious promises you become partakers of the divine class. All right, are we gods? We are a class of gods!”?

Kenneth Copeland (Praise The Lord, TBN February 5, 1986)

“Adam was created in God’s own image and likeness, a spirit-being…[and] takes on the nature of his spiritual father or lord.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, p.7-8)

“Gods reason for creating Adam was his desire to reproduce himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself. And in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God, He was not almost like God, He was not subordinate to God even … Adam was as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus. Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh”
Kenneth Copeland (Following the faith of Abraham Audio, #01-3001 side 1)

4th Dimension of non-carnal attainment

“Pray to yourself, because I’m in your self and you’re in My self. We are one Spirit, saith the Lord.”

Kenneth Copeland (“Believer’s Voice of Victory”, Feb. 1987, p.9)

The faith force

“Faith is a power force,” he claims. “It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force.”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 1989, 10)

“Faith is a spiritual force….It is substance. Faith has the ability to effect natural substance.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, 8)

“The force of gravity…makes the law of gravity work…this force of faith…makes the laws of the spirit world function.”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Laws of Prosperity, 1974, 18-19)

“Faith is God’s source of power”?

Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, 8)

“Faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer II, 1987, audiotape #01-0302, side 1)

“The force of faith was controlling His (Jesus’) ministry.”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 9)

“Man was created to know that great life force and he longs for it in his dreams. Adam had that life force in him before he committed high treason”?

Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, side 2)

“God did not create the world out of nothing, He used the Force of His Faith.”

Kenneth Copeland (pirit, Soul, & Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)

“Faith is God’s source of power”?

Kenneth Copeland (Freedom From Fear, 1983. p. 12)

Words are spiritual containers

“Words are spiritual containers,”?

Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 15; cf. 14)

The “force of faith is released by words.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer II, 1987, audiotape #01-0302, side 1)

“God used words when He created the heaven and the earth….Each time God spoke, He released His faith — the creative power to bring His words to pass.”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Power of the Tongue, 1980, 4)

“As a born-again believer, you are equipped with the Word. You have the power of God at your disposal. By getting the Word deep into your spirit and speaking it boldly out your mouth, you release spiritual power to change things in the natural circumstances.”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Power of the Tongue, 1980, 15)

“Words create pictures, and pictures in your mind create words. And then the words come back out your mouth….And when that spiritual force comes out it is going to give substance to the image that’s on the inside of you. Aw, that’s that visualization stuff! Aw, that’s that New Age! No, New Age is trying to do this; and they’d get somewhat results out of it because this is spiritual law, brother.”

Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN, March 28, 1991)

“Words are the most sacred things….This is a word planet…governed by words…created by words….Words cause it to function…cause life…cause death….Words go on forever….Words are holy.”?

Kenneth Copeland (The Abrahamic Covenant, side 1)

Sensual manifestations

“Everything that you’re able to see or touch, anything that you can feel, anything that’s perceptive to the five physical senses, was originally the faith of God, and was born in the substance of God’s faith.”

Kenneth Copeland (Spirit, Soul, & Body Part 1, 1985, audiotape #01-0601, side 1)

God is the biggest failure in the bible

“I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is…The biggest one in the whole Bible is God…I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least – that’s a big loss, man….Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Praise-a-thon on Praise The Lord, April 1988)

God’s physical description

“God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words. These words struck Adam’s body in the face. His body and God’s were exactly the same size.”

Kenneth Copeland (Holy Bible, Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991, p. 45)

“If you stood Adam upside God, they look just exactly alike….If you stood Jesus and Adam side-by-side, they would look and act and sound exactly alike….The image is that they look just alike, but the likeness is that they act alike and they are alike….All of God’s attributes, all of God’s authority, all of God’s faith, all of God’s ability was invested in that man.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer IV? 1987, audiotape #01-0304), side 1)

“The Bible said He measured the heavens with a 9 inch span. Now the span is the difference, distance between the end of the thumb and the end of the little Finger. And, and that Bible said, in fact the amplified translation translates the Hebrew text that way. That He measured out the heavens with a 9 inch span. Well, I got a ruler and measured mine, and my span’s 8 3/4 inches long. So now God’s span is a quarter of an inch, a quarter inch longer than mine. So you see, that faith didn’t come billowing out of some giant monster somewhere. It came out of the heart of a being that is very uncanny the way He’s very much like you and me. A being that stands somewhere around 6′ 2 “, 6′ 3”, that weighs somewhere in the neighbourhood of a couple of hundred pounds, little better, has a span of 8 and, I mean nine inches across – stood up and said “Light be [Let it be?]”, and this universe situated itself and went into motion. Glory to God.”

Kenneth Copeland (“pirit, Soul, & Body Part 1” 1985, audio tape #01-0601, side 1)

God is a “spirit-being with a body, complete with eyes, and eyelids, ears, nostrils, a mouth, hands and fingers, and feet.”

Kenneth Copeland (Kenneth Copeland ministry letter, 21 July 1977)

The Womb-Man

“Adam was made in the image of God. He was as much female as he was male. He was exactly like God. Then God separated him and removed the female part. Woman means ‘man with the womb.’ Eve had as much authority as Adam did as long as they stayed together.”

Kenneth Copeland (Sensitivity of Heart, KCP Publications, 1984, p. 23)

“Then, he created Eve out of Adam. Now, actually God didn’t name her Eve, Adam named her Eve later. That wasn’t her name, her name was Adam … Adam. When God said Adam, they both came. Their authority was one and the same together. They did everything together. They had always been together. Even when she was still part of him, he was as much female as he was male, LIKE GOD IS. And God separated the female part of him and then put them back together. And she was Adam, they were Adam. He was the man, she was the woman. She was the man with the womb.”
Kenneth Copeland ((Transcribed From A Message Given By Kenneth Copeland, Paw Creek Ministries) )

God lives on the mother planet

“Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet.”?

Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)

“You don’t think earth was first, do you? Huh? Well, you don’t think that God made man in His image, and then made earth in some other image? There is not anything under this whole sun that’s new. Are you hearing what I’m saying? This is all a copy. It’s a copy of home. It’s a copy of the Mother Planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like His and put us on it.”

Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)

I have met and/or spoken to Jesus

(Relating Jesus speaking) “Don’t be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of Me, should they not speak that way of you? The more you get to be like Me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah.”
Kenneth Copeland (“Take Time to Pray,” Believer’s Voice of Victory, February 1987, p. 9)


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Mormons Deny That Jesus Christ’s Death Covers All Sins!

Posted by Job on September 15, 2007


More Mormon Problems

And please note the “comments” section where Mormons are even willing to distance themselves from and denounce their revered prophet, Brigham Young, with regards to this false teaching from this false religion!

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The Bible Versus The Book Of Mormon

Posted by Job on September 15, 2007

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Why Christianity Is Not A Pagan Mystery Religion

Posted by Job on September 2, 2007

Some postulate that Christianity is merely a syncretism of Judaism and other common mystery religions of the day that had similar – sounding deity resurrection myths and even similar rituals. (One of those mystery religions: mithraism – also called mithrisim – the Persian belief system that what is now the Roman Catholic Church borrowed a great many of its abiblical practices and traditions from. Sorry, people, but linking the Roman Catholic Church to Babylon by way of this Persian religion is too problematic to be sustainable; your case for calling the Catholic Church “Babylon” will have to be made in other ways.) Some ways in which these mystery cults superficially appear to be similar to Christianity:

1. Elimination of class and culture distinctions by placing rich, poor, master, slave, etc. on the same level within the belief system (the goal of doing so anyway).

2. Ritual washings (i.e. the washing of feet) and ritual meals (i.e. communion/the Last Supper).

3. Providing an outlet for emotional and charismatic worship and a personal relationship with a deity that did not exist in the Roman state pagan religion (and I should point out with the exception of some charismatic fringe movement within them does not exist within most “institutional” churches, including but not limited to Roman Catholicism and the various “state churches”).

4. Considering 2. again, these rituals were often “initiation rites” into the cult that promised eternal life or immortality to the participant. Let me point out that this is a component of false Christianity that teaches salvation by baptism, taking an oath or participating in communion, joining a church, by virtue of birth to a family in a church or in a “Christian nation” with a state church, or by reciting a prayer rather than of biblical Christianity.

It is rather easy to see how an “outsider looking in”, a scholar or a person from another religion, studying Christianity could come to mistake the religion as an invention of Jews and pagans that were dissatisfied with their poverty and dominant religions and sought another way. As Christians, we must be knowledgeable of these arguments and be empowered to oppose them in any arena, whether academic, religious, or polite discussion. So, here are the reasons why Christianity is not in any way associated with or derived from any paganism of any sort.

1. Christianity came from and fulfilled doctrines and observances that had been part of Judaism for many hundreds of years.

2. The death of Jesus Christ is a redemptive event. The deaths of the pagan mystery deities had no redemptive value.

3. The birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was that of a human historical figure; those of the mystery deities were actually surrounding agricultural cycles. Please note that where the mystery deities die and resurrect annually according to the planting, death, and replanting of crops, Jesus Christ was born once, died once, and resurrected once. Please note that the agricultural festivals of Judaism have far more in common with the mystery cults than does biblical Christianity (where lest we forget the only observance commanded of Gentile Christians is communion, which can be done at any time).

4. Jesus Christ experienced a complete bodily resurrection in the same place and time in history. The mystery gods only came back only in part, in another realm or world, or in another place and time in history.

5. These religions had secret rites and mystical formulas.

This is a reason why the false doctrines of so many false Christian movements are injurious. The Word of Faith doctrine preached by Fred Price, Kenneth Copeland, and similar that Jesus Christ was born again causes confusion on point 3, and the many Christians (including Word of Faith adherents) that preach that Jesus Christ was resurrected spiritually or in a “spirit – composed body” (a doctrine that I myself used to believe until a few short months ago when a Christian apologetics site, perhaps CARM, set me straight, how I came upon this doctrine I remember not) causes confusion on point 4. When you realize that Mormons, Masons, Catholics, and even some Protestant elements have their “secrets” and “rites” that violate point 5, you see why I am so quick to outright challenge and deny the legitimacy of any group or person that willfully deviates from the Bible: it is all about sound doctrine and sound practice.

The Bible is what makes Christianity different from all of the other religions and cults in the world, both those that currently exist and will ever exist. So long as we remain faithful to the Bible (and taking time to learn about the circumstances surrounding the people who gave us the Bible is helpful), any time that anyone comes along claiming that the Christian notions of heaven and hell came to us from Persian Zoroastrianism (a lie peddled by the New York Times as the Psalms show us that the afterlife was being revealed to the Hebrew prophets as early as the Davidic reign, though Calvinists would be very amused to learn that free will is a huge component of Zoroastrianism, who reject anything resembling predestination) we can simply show them from our scriptures, our scholarship, our theology, and our practice how this cannot possibly be so. Other mystery religions may involve the resurrection of a deity, a sacred meal, the washing of feet, and eternal life, but only Christianity links those components in the form of a Savior that was simultaneously fully man and the deity of a monotheistic religion. Indeed, it is impossible to show any sort of doctrinal or theological progression to any of these false religions to true Christianity (although granted doing so with corrupted or false Christianity makes it a lot easier on them), and only intellectual dishonesty and contrived scholarship makes it appear to be so.

(The New Testament: Its Background And Message by Thomas Lea and David Black provided information for this entry.)

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Martin Luther King’s MORMON DOCTRINE!

Posted by Job on August 15, 2007

Motivated by this story, I already addressed evidence from King’s own writings that he was a Christian in Proof From His Own Writings That Martin Luther King Jr. Was NOT A Christian, but the weblog post Between Two Worlds: Martin Luther King where I found the online links to his papers this interesting nugget: “MLK accepted the deity of Jesus Christ, and the fact that Jesus Christ was divine, only in the sense that He was one with God in purpose.” That is EXACTLY what Mormons teach! See, Mormons deny Trinity, because they deny that Jesus Christ is deity. Rather than teaching that Jesus Christ is an uncreated pre – existing spirit, they teach that Jesus Christ was a being created by God, no different from angels or people, and that Jesus Christ earned His exceptional position through works (they also teach that Christ’s works surpassed those of God the Father, and when they say Father they mean LITERAL FATHER, because they teach that Jesus Christ, Satan, the angels, and all humans are the result of sexual activity between their god and his MULTIPLE wives in heaven, one of the reasons why murdering pedophile Joseph Smith needed 34 of them himself, despite the fact that a number of them were still married to other men; Mormons also agree with Dan Brown of “The Da Vinci Code” in teaching that Jesus Christ was married; according to their theology he would have had to have been in order to achieve his exalted position). So, since Mormons reject the notion of God in Three Persons, how, then can they claim to believe in Trinity? Simple: BY CLAIMING THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS ONE WITH THE FATHER IN PURPOSE!

And folks say that evil spirits aren’t real? These lying spirits and their false doctrines, well they do get around don’t they? And they all pretty much agree in their lies … getting people to deny God’s Tri – Unity and the deity and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They even use the same parsing, dissembling, dishonest arguments, and justifications for their lies. This heresy of King (who rejected the true Christianity of his father) after that of Ebionitism. You can look up that heresy plus some others here: When you realize the number of ancient heresies and false religions that went into Mormonism, it is staggering, evidence that a multitude of evil spirits went into Joseph Smith and all who follow after him. But what is even more staggering is why so few people are willing to publicly discuss that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a heretic and an apostate, yet he managed to found the Southern CHRISTIAN Leadership Conference and pastor a church. The people who knew about this fellow’s belief but allowed him to rise through the ranks of the Christian field without opposing him, do not think that they will not be held accountable. It would be interesting to interview the people who spent a great deal of time with King professionally as well as was in his church and heard him preach if THEY knew that King did not believe in the resurrection. If he did not, then what did this fellow preach about at church? What did his Christmas, Easter, and Pentecost sermons consist of? It is astounding that hard questions like these are never asked of our religious leaders, or even of their laypeople.  

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Mormonism IS Just As Perverse As Homosexuality Christian Post!

Posted by Job on July 25, 2007

See another leading Christian magazine sell out the truth in this link. Here is yet another instance of what I was addressing in my Jesus Christ Is Not Your Culture essay. Just because some of us feel more comfortable around Mormons than homosexuals because the Mormon lifestyle is more compatible with our oh so cherished ethnocentric cultural beliefs does not change the fact that unless members of either group repent of their sins and submit to the true God of the Bible, they will both burn in the lake of fire for eternity forever. See this link if you think that Mormonism and Christianity has anything to do with each other. Mormons deny that God is eternal, that He is sovereign, and that He is a Spirit! (John 4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth was left out of the “Joseph Smith Translation” of the Bible.) Joseph Smith rejected Christianity for freemasonry. Some say that freemasonry, an occult, is actually a form of Islam (, others say that it is kabbalah ( This is proof that the Mormon doctrine of God having wives in heaven and that humans, angels, and Jesus Christ are all products of natural procreation activity between their god and his wives was created when Jews turned against YHVH and towards Baal/Ashtoreth fertility worship: Mormonism: The Idea Of God Having Sex With Wives In Heaven Is Not New. Evangelist Bill Keller discussed more on the topic of freemasonry’s incompatibility with Christianity here Freemasonry Is A Cult! and its possible link with Mormonism, including how the Mormon temple rites are actually freemasonic/kabbalah rites here Mitt Romney Show Me Your Magic Mormon Underwear!. So there is no justification for claiming that Mormonism is any better than homosexuality (especially when you see that the Bible clearly states that all sins are equal because they all result in the sinner going to the lake of fire for eternity unless they are forgiven) other than the cultural beliefs of a great many Christians. If claiming such is not the sin of bigotry against homosexuals (see Demon Of The Day: Homophobia) and hypocrisy, I do not know what is! Now to show you the text of the article: Clarification appended

Since the former editor of Young Gay America Magazine announced publicly this month that he’s been “healed” from homosexuality thanks to God and the Bible, there has been a flurry of discussions – first, over the more-frequently publicized ex-gay movement and second, over the fact that he was baptized into the Mormon church.

“Given the crucial nature of Glatze’s religious experience to his testimony, how can evangelical leaders continue to hail Michael Glatze as an ex-gay success story without implicitly endorsing his religious beliefs?” posed Ex-Gay Watch, a watchdog group tracking reparative therapy and the ex-gay movement.

Glatze, however, has made it clear that his transformation through Jesus Christ, which ultimately led him to denounce homosexuality, began in 2003 – four years before he was baptized into the Mormon church. He also says his association with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – the official name of the Mormon church – is “just part of a huge process and journey,” and that he is receiving help from Matt Barber of Concerned Women for America who is suggesting some “scripturally-sound” evangelical churches for Glatze to attend.

This being said, there should be no reason why the Christian community should not embrace Glatze and hail his departure from homosexuality.

“But what if Glatze decides in the end to remain with the LDS church?” some may ask. Would pointing to Glatze’s ex-gay success story be endorsing Mormonism?

If, at the end of his “journey,” Glatze decides to remain with the Mormon church, the path he will have chosen is most certainly the wrong one, and he will have to later face the consequences of his decision. However, despite what path Glatze chooses, his “coming out” story should not be ignored. The story of change should be used by believers to open the eyes of others like him and to lead them out of the homosexual lifestyle into a more godly one. And doing so is not an endorsement of the Mormon church.

It’s a scenario that the Christian community may find themselves faced with next year if presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, a Mormon, becomes the Republican pick for the White House. And already people are asking whether political support for a Mormon candidate somehow translates to support for Mormonism.

Earlier this month on “Larry King Live,” the Rev. Dr. R. Albert Mohler – one of the nation’s pre-eminent evangelicals – was asked whether or not Romney’s faith bothered him.

“Oh, it does certainly concern me as an Evangelical Christian,” answered Mohler, who is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary – the flagship seminary of the Southern Baptist Convention. “I have to answer first as a Christian and say I believe Mormonism is a false that is antithetical to historic orthodox Christianity.” “But,” he went on to say, “at the same time, I’m not electing a theologian. I’m looking at electing a president, and I will have to consider all of those things in the context of what a candidate represents.” Fellow Southern Baptist Dr. Richard Land, who has met with Romney, gave a similar response, stating that Romney’s Mormon background should not be the reason to reject his candidacy. “Most Southern Baptists understand we’re voting for a commander in chief, not pastor in chief,” said Land, who is president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) – the SBC’s public policy arm. Land, whose words have been echoed by religious leaders and pastors of various faiths, was recently listed by Religion News Service as one of the top 10 most influential GOP “kingmakers.” In the same way, Christians need to understand that pointing to Glatze as an example of overcoming homosexuality should not be equated to supporting the Mormon church. Instead it should be viewed as supporting a very important movement (in this case, the ex-gay movement), as is done during any interfaith activity. Furthermore, Glatze should be accepted for who he says he is – not the result of Mormon conversion, but one of the latest and most prominent examples of former homosexuals who came to acknowledge homosexuality as sin and made the decision to turn away from the sinful lifestyle. And as he continues his journey towards truth, believers should be more eager to encourage him to take the right path than to rebuke him for the Mormon “part of [his] “huge process.” He hasn’t been lost yet, so why treat him as if he is?

Clarification : Friday, July 20, 2007

An editorial on Monday, July 16, 2007, about the debate over a former gay rights activist’s “coming out” story originally stated that “believers should be more concerned about Michael Glatze returning to homosexuality than him joining the Mormon church.” To clarify, the editorial staff at The Christian Post would like to first of all affirm that it does not view homosexuality as more perverse than Mormonism, despite the wording of the original statement. Furthermore, while Glatze’s ties to the Mormon church will undoubtedly be a problem with eternal consequences if he chooses to remain, the editorial staff would like to re-emphasize – as he has emphasized – that the Mormon church is just “part of a huge process and journey” and that he is currently receiving help. And so the staff believes that it would be better for believers to help and encourage individuals such as Glatze – like Matt Barber of Concerned Women for America is doing by suggesting some “scripturally-sound” evangelical churches for Glatze to attend – than to reject and criticize, as is more often the case now. Lastly, the staff believes hailing Glatze as an ex-gay success story does not equate to endorsing whatever beliefs he may have adopted from the Mormon church in the same way that the decision not to reject the candidacy of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, a Mormon, does not equate to acceptance of Mormonism. Glatze does not claim to have been “healed” by the Mormon church, and neither should anyone else.

Well, there is the position of the editoral staff of the Christian Post, and there is the Truth of God as written in His Word. Christians, which do you prefer? To me, this is just another example of how Christians should heed Romans 12:2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Worldly minds judge people on what you can see on the outside, but Christians are to be mindful of whether a person is committed to Jesus Christ. In that context, both homosexuals and Mormons have rejected the gospel, and in that respect are equals. All who reject Christ are going to the same place, and we Christians are obligated to never forget that fact so that we will contend for God’s Truth and His Righteousness, and not our own personal cultural beliefs. The fact that a lot of professed Christians prefer Mormons to homosexuals simply because they feel more comfortable around them shows that these Christians are walking after the flesh instead of being guided by the Love of God’s Spirit that would cause them to hate all sin equally and to love all sinners equally. The amazing thing is that a lot of these people would clearly prefer a Mormon president to a homosexual one. Why, pray tell? Because they still have their hope in the world and the things in it, that’s why. In the Name of Jesus Christ, rebuke, cast down, and come out of worldliness, Christians! Both Mormons and homosexuals are in equal need of our prayers and evangelization efforts.

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When A Loved One Refuses To Submit To Jesus Christ And Is On Their Way To The Lake Of Fire

Posted by Job on July 19, 2007

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John 3:16, 14:6, Ephesians 2:8,9

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***MORMON UPDATE!  So, people thought I was crazy when I said “A vote for
Romney is a vote for satan!”  They thought my logic of having a member of
the satanic Mormon cult as President wouldn’t draw people to their cult.  Oh
really?  Do you think it is a coincidence that PBS recently aired, “A
September Dawn,” a supposed historical look at Mormons which was nothing but
pure propaganda for this cult.  This fall there is another supposed
documentary coming out, “A Mormon President,” the latest puff piece to
brainwash people about this cult.  Romney is scheduled very soon to deliver
what has been labeled a “Kennedy-esque” defense of “his faith.”  The Mormon
cult has unleashed a wave of brand new TV advertisements geared to take
advantage of the attention they are getting from Romney’s candidacy.  The
head of the Mormon’s chief apologetics website, FAIR, recently used my
public comments exposing this cult as the work of satan it is in their
latest fundraising effort to their constituency.  Young Mormon men on
bicycles are knocking on the doors of America identifying themselves as
representing “Mitt Romney’s church.”

Meanwhile, the secular media is scared to death to challenge Romney and this
cult’s false beliefs for many reasons.  No my friend, make no mistake about
it, this multi-billion dollar, media savvy, well run cult based in Salt Lake
City is in full attack mode to try and fulfill their founder Joseph Smith’s
prophecy of having a Mormon President to “rescue the Constitution,” at the
same time luring millions of people into their cult by deceiving them that
they are Christians.  Mormon theology is 100% inconsistent with Biblical
Christianity.  The god and jesus of Mormonism is NOT the God and Jesus of
the Bible!   A Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is, and that is
why those who get caught up in this cult will die and go to hell.


When someone you love and care about refuses to accept the Lord.  One of the
things that makes me so sad, are the people in my family, friends of mine,
who have rejected Jesus and if they died today will spend all eternity in
hell.  God has used Liveprayer to bring over 180,000 people we know of
around the world to faith in Jesus Christ.  I have been honored for God to
use me in over 17 years of ministry to personally lead thousands of people
to faith in Jesus in almost every kind of setting you can imagine.  Despite
having the joy of seeing people every day rerouted from the conveyor belt
heading for hell to the road heading for Heaven, there are still many in my
family, many dear friends who have refused to acknowledge Christ’s love and
rejected His free gift of everlasting life.  Knowing if they die with Jesus
that they will be lost for all eternity hurts me a great deal.

I know that you also have family members, friends, those people in your life
who are lost and living without the Lord.  I get the desperate emails every
day from people who are distraught that a family member or friend is lost
and asking me how they can save them.  The one thing I have to remind myself
each day and that you need to understand is that we can’t save anyone.
Getting saved, being born again, is an act of faith each person has to
choose to do for themselves.  I can’t do it for them.  You can’t do it for
them.  Their pastor can’t do it for them.  Accepting Jesus into your heart
and life is an act of faith each person has to decide to do for themselves.
It is a choice they and they alone have to make.

What we can do and are commanded to do is to tell them HOW they can be
saved.  We are all called to share with those people in our lives the hope
we have in Christ.  After you share the Gospel with a person, at that point
all you can do is pray for them to open their heart to Christ’s love and to
make that decision to invite Him into their life by faith.  There is nothing
wrong with having that conversation with them over and over, since you never
know when they might be at a place in their life when they are finally ready
to listen.  Again, the key is prayer since they have to be willing to open
their heart to hear about Christ’s love for them, at which point it is the
Holy Spirit who brings them under conviction and to that place of surrender.
We are simply God’s human instrument, one link in a long chain of people
along the way God uses to bring a person to give their lives to Jesus.

Of everything I discuss with you each day, the most important subject there
is is salvation. I want to use this time today to clarify for many out there
who will be in Heaven. It drives me crazy to hear gutless pastors, especially in the media, say that we don’t know who will be in Heaven.  THAT IS NOT TRUE SINCE GOD TOLD US CLEARLY IN HIS WORD WHO WOULD AND WHO WOULD NOT BE IN HEAVEN!!!  The salvation equation is very simple. It is: by God’s grace, our faith, plus NOTHING. There is only ONE way to Heaven…a personal faith in Jesus Christ by faith. There is only ONE road to Heaven. That means that the type of church you belong to will not get you into Heaven, no amount of good works will get you into Heaven, you can’t buy your way into Heaven…the only way to Heaven is through a personal relationship with
Jesus Christ. That is God’s plan as He clearly lays out it in the Bible.

The church is a place where people should be able to find a personal
relationship with Christ, a place of fellowship, a place to be fed
spiritually, a place where people can use their talents to serve God.
Membership in a church WILL NOT get you into Heaven when you die. There are
many people who go through life doing wonderful things, helping people, and
living good lives. There are no amount of good works you can do in this
lifetime to eliminate the sin we were all born with and the ones we commit
each day. Being a good person WILL NOT get you into Heaven when you die
since the Bible clearly tells us, “That there is none that are good, no not

There is only one way to get to Heaven, and that is through a personal
relationship with Jesus Christ by faith!!!

My friend, the message I want you to understand today is that God has made a
simple way for His fallen children to be reconciled back into an everlasting
relationship. Many have tried to complicate the issue of salvation. It is
actually very simple. Recognize that you are a sinner. Repent, turn away
from your sins, and ask God to forgive you. Accept by faith Jesus Christ
into your heart and surrender your life to Him.

Why Jesus? Because in God’s plan, it was His sacrifice that paid for our
sins. That is why there are no amount of good works, no amount of money,
nothing you can do on your own because He already paid the price. Some feel
baptism is part of the salvation experience, but baptism is simply an
outward sign of the inward work of salvation.  It is an act of identifying
your life with Christ AFTER you are saved.   In essence, baptism would be a
“work” and today’s scripture clearly tells us that salvation is by grace,
through faith, and NOT of works.

Some ask about those who accept Christ on their deathbed, and how unfair it
is for them to go to Heaven after a life of sin and rebellion. First of all,
in perspective, this life is but a “vapor”, as the Bible calls it, in
comparison with eternity. You have to remember that those who rebelled
during their life and come to Christ at the end, missed the joy, peace, and
blessings of this life, and must have suffered greatly on the inside living
apart from God during those years on earth. The important fact is, that like
you and me they are sinners who are saved by God’s grace.

Many ask if you can lose your salvation. I am not going to get into the
age-old theological debate of “once saved always saved.”  Part of the
salvation equation is God’s grace. To lose your salvation means that God
would withdraw His grace. I have never been able to find any place in the
Bible that says God will withdraw His grace, and of course the question
becomes, at what point would He? The Bible teaches that if you make a
sincere commitment to Christ by faith you are saved.  Only God knows for
certain if a person has done this or not. If you rebel, you lose the
blessings, the peace, and the joy. The prodigal son never stopped being His
father’s son, but lost out on the blessings of living in submission to his
father, and endured much pain and heartache for rebelling. The bottom line
is if you follow Christ you will never have to worry about losing your

I love you and care about you deeply.  It pains me to know that there are
people in my family, dear friends, who if they died this moment would be
lost and spend eternity in hell.  I have done my best to share the Gospel
message with each of them, done my best to let them know how much Jesus
loves them, but they have refused to surrender their hearts and lives to the
Lord.  While satan lies to me and tells me I am a failure for members of my
family and dear friends not accepting the Lord, the truth is, it is a choice
I can’t make for them, they have to make it for themselves.  All I can do,
all you can do, is tell them how to be saved and pray for them to make that

I pray that this word today helps many of you clarify in your mind and heart
the most important issue of our life, determining where we will spend
eternity. If you are reading this today and do not have the assurance that
you will spend eternity in Heaven, or you have never accepted by faith Jesus
Christ into your life, than let me encourage you to do it today. The Bible
tells us that TODAY is the day of salvation. Don’t wait another minute since
tomorrow is promised to none of us!

Ask God to open your heart to His truth and love, than take a few minutes
and go  .  Watch this short video
on salvation, read the words, then as the Holy Spirit brings you under
conviction, pray the special prayer to accept  by faith, Jesus Christ into
your heart as your Lord and Savior. Email me and let me know you have
accepted Christ into your heart, and I will be happy to send you at no
charge some special information to help you in your new-found relationship
with Christ.

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller

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James Dobson: Do Not Vote For McCain Or Giuliani But Romney Is Still On The List!

Posted by Job on July 18, 2007

Now I can see his problem with pro – homosexual pro – abortion Rudy Giuliani (though it is fair to point out that Mitt Romney had those same positions until, oh, yesterday). But what does he have against McCain? You know the answer to that, don’t you? GOP party politics. Dobson would rather have a Mormon with no record of social conservatism in his political or business or philanthropic career (no huge donations to Operation Save America from that private fortune of his) than a Christian (yes, McCain is a Christian, though not fundamentalist or evangelical) with a long socially conservative voting record (McCain did not vote for the gay marriage amendment, but in doing so his position was no different from that of George Bush or Dick Cheney … Bush only gave lukewarm transparent vocal support to the amendment when it was made clear to him that he would lose re – election in 2004 without it). Why? Because McCain ran against Bush and bucked the GOP party line. Even with McCain’s turn left in recent years and Romney’s turn right in the past few minutes, Romney’s record is still far to the left of McCain’s … remember that healthcare bill that he signed? This proves that Dobson when you get down to it is just another establishment GOP party hack. Oh yes, and let us not forget about the faith – based money: Romney doled out tons of taxpayer dollars to religious groups during his tenure. McCain, despite his brief strange association with the self – deluded and now disillusioned Gary Bauer (another religious right guy who accepted money from Syung Moon), opposes that sort of thing. Money: faith based programs, some of which would no doubt flow to Dobson’s many interests, and that was the also the same reason why Pat Robertson backed Bush and why he is also backing Romney, a person who believes in this (see link) and calls himself a Christian. Power: control over the GOP. That is what it is all about people: mammon.

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James Dobson Supports Harry Potter And Mormon Mitt Romney

Posted by Job on July 18, 2007 

Here is a better link: Click On Harry Potter Occult Or Not From 


And another still: 

The Catholic – evangelical – charismatic ecumenical journal Christianity Today endorsed Harry Potter because of the Catholic imagery in it. See Christianity Today’s Defense Of Harry Potter here. The heavily Catholic (and often fundamentalist – bashing) National Review expressed similar sentiments. (I know that not all Catholics like Harry Potter, just working towards a bigger point.)  And so you have the political ecumenist James Dobson having strong ties to Rome:

And you see the political ecumenism of the religious right knows no bounds: Dobson may endorse Mormon Mitt Romney for President: James Dobson is Very Likely to Endorse Cult Member Mormon Mitt Romney for President, but Won’t Admit it Yet! Which is a reason why the Washington Post is able to slip a reference to the Mormon author in a post about Christian writers and get away with it (this link explains why we should not tolerate anyone calling Mormons Christian) . Once upon a time, Christian watchdog groups like Dobson’s would have been the first to complain, but now Dobson, Robertson, and the rest of their ilk are part of the problem. What is my main point? Like Independent Conservative said in Patriotic Ecumenicalism Versus Christianity, Christian political ecumenism is wrong, needs to be stopped and opposed. 

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Mormonism: The Idea Of God Having Sex With Wives In Heaven Is Not New

Posted by Job on July 9, 2007

Turns out that this doctrine was first introduced in Israel, the northern part of the divided kingdom, in Old Testament times. Please recall that Ahab and Jezebel introduced Canaanite fertility worship: Baal and Ashtaroth, into the northern kingdom. The true danger of this was not having the Jews turn totally from Yahwehism to idolatry – though many did so – but of syncretism, the mixing of other religious (and doctrines, rites, rituals, and practices from them) into Judaism. And that is precisely what happened. A link to a book about this is here: “Witness the Fall of Asherah, Consort of Samaritan Yahweh. Also, the kabbalah people claim the same: (Now interestingly enough, Pastor Bill Keller links masonry – of which Joseph Smith was a member; his last words as he fell to his death after jumping out of a window to escape a lynch mob was the masonic cry for help- kabbalah, and Mormonism in some of his recent devotionals.) But the result of the mixing of the fertility cults and Judaism had the Jews in short order claiming that God was married to Ashtaroth in heaven, and that the temple “fertility rites” that they performed as part of “fertility worship” on earth were what God was doing with Ashtaroth in heaven. Which, of course, reduced YHVH to being no more than the other false Canaanite gods (which actually had the characteristics and powers of elevated men or supermen rather than actual gods) rather than the one and only supreme sovereign omniscient omnipotent omnipresent self – existing spirit. When you consider that Baal (often associated with Ashtaroth) was merely the son of the corn god Dagon, it is not too hard to see Israel start confusing Baal for YHVH (or at least calling Baal YHVH) and therefore saying that Dagon was YHVH’s father (just as the Mormon god has a father).

What was the result of the northern kingdom’s practicing proto – Mormonism? God using the Assyrians to judge them by wiping them out forever. And that should be a message to all Christians that claim that Mormons should be accepted as Christians because they claim that Jesus Christ is their savior and they have SUCH GREAT VALUES. But before we cast stones at Mormons, we need to look at our own glass houses. Syncretism is the hot new fad in Christianity today, with our mixing our doctrines with things New Age, eastern religion, humanist, Freudian, etc. If God judged the Israelites for doing the same, what do you think that He will do to us, especially in this dispensation when we have the Holy Spirit to tell us truth from lie, convict us of sin, and help us keep His Commandments (which the Old Testament Jews never had)? It is a reminder Christians that we must constantly watch, pray, and try ourselves and the people that we follow against the Bible.

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The Main Problem With Many Of The Theories On Who The Anti – Christ Is Supposed To Be

Posted by Job on July 5, 2007

Catholics say that it will be a rogue pope. More extreme Protestants say that it is the Roman Catholic Church. Evangelicals say that it will be the European Union or the United Nations. During the Cold War, many were certain that the communists were going to play a huge role in it. Now during the “global war on terror” (which a lot of people seem to forget that the Christian west pretty much started and is DEFINITELY responsible for funding and arming “our enemies” in the first place), Islam has replaced the communists. And it is interesting: thanks to the “ecumenism” movement, a lot of Protestants that would have put the blame on Catholics are trying to cast blame elsewhere, especially to the Muslims or the EU. By the same token, a lot of Catholics that would have figured that the best sign that the pope had turned apostate would have been his making overtures to Protestants are now looking elsewhere. After all, Tim LaHaye had to have the pope raptured in his “Left Behind” novels, or that would have seriously harmed his ability to associate with politically conservative Catholics on the religious right through the Center For National Policy and similar. (Since the Center For National Policy is an arm of the Council on Foreign Relations and similar groups, it is interesting that “Left Behind” kept the focus trained solely on the EU, and not on any of the various groups, some secret and some not so secret, that are either aligned with the Council on Foreign Relations or allied with it … no mention of the Skulls and Crossbones, the Bilderbergs, the Masons, etc. Gee, I wonder why! Almost makes you wonder if a lot of these pretribulationists are being used to run interference for certain people.) It is also curious that where many Christians once accused Jews of playing a key role in the anti – Christ coming to power, the neo – dual covenant theologians of the dispensational evangelical movement have taken precisely the opposite view (motivated by their belief that pursuing self – interested, self – motivated, self – pleasing, and self – serving “relationships” with our friends in the Jewish community is the quickest way to get them to all return to Israel and rebuild the temple so the rapture can happen; of course those same Jews that would speed the departing of the Christians to heaven would be left behind to endure the great tribulation … oh well too bad hey it sucks to be you, you should have accepted Christ while you had the chance … ooops I forgot we listened to John Hagee when he said not to target Jews for conversion because doing that will slow down the process of getting you back into Israel so we can leave you behind there to face the anti-Christ. If that is what “loving your neighbor as yourself” means, I really don’t blame Jews for not wishing to be “loved” in that fashion.)

The main issue is that this “man of sin” is supposed to cause all the people of the world to worship one religion. Claiming that it will be Roman Catholicism will mean that Muslims and Jews will have to become Catholic. (Keep on holding your breath waiting for that to happen.) Similar problems exist with the beast being a Muslim, a communist, a mason, a Mormon, a UN/EU secular humanist, or some leading political figure that you don’t like. While all of these may knowingly or unknowingly (I am believing that it is mostly the latter, though you had better believe that the former exists) play a role in bringing the anti – Christ and his system into reality and power, the beast himself will command universal support: be all things to all people. Meanwhile, any person from the groups listed above (or pretty much any other group) will by definition provoke opposition from a substantial percentage of the population. Of course, global economic, political, medical, environmental, etc. catastrophes could change a lot of that and force a lot of people that would ordinarily be enemies to set aside their differences and work together for survival. Some of that is actually happening already, and one could make the case that the Bible does prophecy such a thing happening. Further, the massive horrors that are supposed to precede the rise of the anti – Christ could wipe out a good percentage of the population, thereby wholesale removing a lot of the people that potentially would have reason to oppose the anti – Christ. You only have to look at how AIDS has dramatically reduced the population of Africa and is now spreading in Asia to see how that could possibly happen. Still, that would leave a lot of huge barriers, the primary one being the one world religion.

So, perhaps what will happen is NOT the anti – Christ causing everyone to cast aside their current religion (including atheists who have no religion at all), but rather create a way for everyone to incorporate his religion into their own beliefs? A way for a person to simultaneously participate in the one world religion while remaining a Catholic, Muslim, Jew, atheist, or Christian (including the many strands of conservative evangelical and fundamentalist)? It is very possible … especially if the said people do such a thing without knowing it, or knowing that they are practicing another religion. They may not even have to bring the world religion “into the church”, that is, incorporate it into their religious practice. Quite the opposite, it may even be expedient if they do not, because a lot of Christians would be loathe to imitate or share in what Muslims are doing, and vice versa, and the same goes for a lot of other groups. The new religion whereby the beast is worshipped COULD be something done outside of the context of that which is generally regarded as religious worship, but nonetheless be something that even the very religiously devout of all religions would not only have no problem doing, but would even desire to do, even if only occasionally. Indeed, all but the very elect, as the Bible says.

Now how elect does one have to be not to follow after some of these things? One does not have to be an elect Catholic to generally avoid Protestantism, or an elect Muslim to stay away from masonry. (That was not a universalistic or ecumenical statement on my part, since I steadfastly reject both; I am just making a general point.) And no, observing the sabbath on Saturday instead of Sunday (when actually according to Jewish tradition it is sundown Friday until sundown Saturday anyway) and refusing to partake in the “Christmas”, “Easter”, or other traditional Christian holidays (in the western or orthodox tradition anyways) does not make you an elect Protestant Christian either (because if it would, it would imply that God would hold such a thing against a Christian on judgment day even if the Christian erred out of ignorance).

Instead, we might have to look in another direction; something whereby everyone in the world can worship Satan while not knowing that they are doing so; something that everyone from a person living in a “remote illiterate primitive tribal culture” to a refined Middle Eastern oil aristocrat to a middle America fundamentalist would theoretically be able to share in. One “easy out”: causing “the whole world” to worship the anti – Christ may not be a reference to each individual, but rather to the leadership of each nation. Keep in mind: it is a pretty consistent biblical principle that the actions of the leaders of a nation were counted to the nation, and that God would punish a whole nation on account of wicked actions by its leaders. (Before you claim that God is unfair in doing this, please realize that holding an entire nation accountable for the evil actions of its rulers in this life is a way of sparing them individual accountability on the day of judgment; destroying the nation on account of its leaders prevents the spiritual evil that is coming from the leaders of the culture from infecting each individual member of it. Therefore, it is actually an action of God’s mercy and saving grace to destroy a nation whose leaders want to turn it into Sodom and Gomorrah before it actually BECOMES Sodom and Gomorrah, because when a nation becomes Sodom and Gomorrah everyone in it is wicked, everyone is individually accountable on the day of judgment for their evil, and none will be saved.) That was why God warned Israel not to pray for a king, and why the results of their getting a king was the nation dividing and ultimately going into captivity because of the wickedness of their kings. Also, since one would have to be a “nation” to actually qualify, remote cultures that have not politically organized themselves into a nation – state or kingdom might for these purposes be excluded, and not be part of “the world”, so to speak, in this respect (another example of God’s saving grace, and also why we should not be so quick to look down upon “third world, primitive, tribal, savage, heathen” peoples and presume ourselves to be better than them because of our wealth, culture, and technology … they might actually be the ones that wind up with the better deal of it!

Another thing to consider: the gospel. The end cannot come until the gospel is preached to all nations, so said Jesus Christ in the gospels. Since we are talking about the “anti – Christ” here … is it possible that the gospel must be preached in a nation before people can choose the anti – Christ by virtue of either A) rejecting the gospel outright or B) accepting it initially only for a great many of them to turn away to a false Christianity? It would be the greatest of ironies if one of the consequences of our spreading the gospel to an unreached land would be the people of that land ultimately falling under the control of the anti – Christ. Or perhaps it would be better to think of it this way: what if the very reason why God wants to use His preachers of the gospel in a certain area is so the people there can hear it and reject it so that God can judge them? Please realize that God used Moses in a similar fashion before pharoah for the purposes of God judging the entire nation of Egypt, thereby glorifying Himself.

In the end, God’s Will alone shall be done, and the result will be God alone being glorified. Remember: it is ultimately not Christianity or even the church that will be glorified and whose righteousness will be vindicated, but Jesus Christ Himself, so that through Jesus Christ the Father alone will be vindicated. Think not that Jesus Christ saving you is in any way evidence of your righteousness or the correctness of your church or movement or of the church itself, but is instead merely proof that God alone is able to do the impossible, which is to save one individually (and the church collectively) from sin and the punishment of sin in the time, place, manner, and reason of His choosing. That, perhaps is the main thing that Christians should keep in mind when considering these endtimes scenarios lest they forget that it is God alone who will save them and as a consequence of their failure to remember God they will also fail to be elect and in that way be led astray, not so much by the man of sin but rather by their own pride of life.

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Freemasonry Is A Cult!

Posted by Job on June 30, 2007

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When this Devotional was originally aired, I was inundated with outraged
Masons that I would have the audacity to call their secret society what it
is, a CULT.  I was prepared for the onslaught because I knew it has been a
very deep stronghold IN THE CHURCH.  Joe Smith, founder of the Mormon cult
was a Mason.  He not only hijacked God’s Word to write his blasphemous Book
of Mormon, but incorporated the secret rites of Freemasonry in his cult.
All top leaders in the Mormon cult were Masons!  That means Christian men
involved in this cult are in a blood-oath relationship, an unholy alliance
with men in the Mormon cult.

The fact is, the ONLY oath we should ever take is to Jesus Christ.  A top
level Mason is called “worshipful master,” when Jesus Christ is the ONLY
Master we are to worship.  Lastly, Freemasonry operates in secret.  Only
evil operates in secrecy, in the darkness, while the things of God operate
in the light.  I am praying for those who have taken an oath to be part of
this cult, this secret society, to leave immediately.  As Jesus clearly
stated, you CAN’T serve two masters!

Freemasonry IS a cult!!!  The two people that God used to help shape my
early faith in the Lord besides my parents were my father’s mom and dad.
Grandpa and Grandma Keller were lifetime members of a little United
Methodist church outside of Columbus, Ohio.  They never missed Sunday
service, Grandpa was an usher, Grandma sang in the choir, and they were at
the church for about every event that was held.  As a young boy growing up,
I spent two weeks every summer with them and their church was a big part of
my time there.  Grandpa Keller was also a Mason and Grandma Keller was a
member of the Eastern Star.  It is hard to imagine my dear, Godly
grandparents were cult members, but that is exactly what they were.

Freemasonry and Christianity are incompatible.  While most see it as a
wonderful social, civic, and philanthropic organization, in reality it is a
secret religious society.  Tracing its origins back to the stone masons who
built Solomon’s Temple, the modern day Masonic movement first appeared in
Great Britain in 1717, and was first seen in the United States in
Philadelphia in 1730.  The terminology and symbolism of Masonry seems to
come mostly from the actual craft of stonemasonry during the Middle Ages.
The “free” in Masonry probably came from the “freestones” (stones that could
be cut without splitting) with which Mason’s worked.  Stonemasons had three
classifications for workers practicing their craft: Apprentice, Fellow
Craft, and Master Mason.  This is also the terminology used for the first
three degrees in Masonry today.

Masonry is not based on the Bible (referred to as “The Great Light”), but on
the Kabala, the ultimate source of Masonic beliefs (Morals and Dogma), which
is a medieval book of mysticism and magic.  Masons require one to believe in
God to be a member, but the candidate is never required to say what god he
believes in.  Masons commonly refer to their deity as the “Great Architect
of the Universe” (G.A.O.T.U.) or the Supreme Being.  The name of Christ is
seldom referred to in Masonic literature, apparently due to Masons not
wanting to offend their non-Christian members.  Freemasonry does not believe
that Jesus Christ is God, nor that salvation is available only through Him.
The reality of sin in the Biblical sense is denied.  Masons think that any
“shortcomings” can be overcome by greater enlightenment.  Because they deny
the reality of sin, Masons see no need for salvation in the Biblical sense.
They see salvation as a step-by-step enlightenment, which comes through
initiation into the Masonic degrees and their mysteries.

Most Masons join Freemasonry to be part of what they view as a prestigious,
socially influential organization.  However, their society is based on
misrepresentations and false explanations.  The symbolic physical penalties
advocated by the Freemasons are violent and murderous.  No faithful
Christian can keep Freemason oaths, which endorse the death penalty for
oneself and require members to persecute traitors to the organization.
Oaths also obligate lodge members to protect lodge criminals and keep their
secrets.  The fact is, like in all cults, most involved in Freemasonry have
NO CLUE what they really believe in or the satanic roots of Freemasonry.  To
this day, I firmly believe my Grandfather saw it as nothing more than a
social organization, as did my Grandmother who was part of the Eastern Star,
the women’s organization of Freemasonry.

When was the last time you heard your pastor preach against this cult?  Let
me answer that, NEVER.  A 1991 survey by the Southern Baptist Convention
Sunday School Board found that 14% of SBC pastors and 18% of SBC deacon
board chairs were Masons; it is also estimated that SBC members comprise 37%
of total U.S. lodge membership.  A 2000 updated SBC report found that over
1,000 SBC pastors are Masons.  As you get into the more liberal
denominations, I am sure those percentages are even higher.

I love you and care about you so much.  Satan is a master of deception and
knows how to draw people into his traps of destruction.  Nobody can ever
deny the wonderful charitable causes the Masons (that includes the Shriners
which are 33rd degree Masons) are involved in.  But the Mafia also gives
lots of money to charity.  There is a local strip club that raises hundreds
of thousands of dollars every year for a children’s hospital.  Just because
an organization does some “good works,” that does not make it an
organization that you should be a member of.  Jesus Christ gave us the
organization to be part of that is to do good works, it is called THE

Know that I am praying for you today.  I have no doubt that many who are
reading this message today are in the Masons or the Eastern Star.  I want
you to pray seriously today about LEAVING those organizations.  Freemasonry
is NOT of God, but is opposed to God.  I already know that this message
today will cause some short term hardships to Liveprayer by those who will
stop supporting this ministry because I have spoken out on this cult.  But
my job is to share the truth of God’s Word with you each day and shine the
light on sin and expose deception.  Man does not sustain this ministry each
month, God does, and I do not have to answer to any man, but one day stand
before God!

***Why do you think most have never heard this preached from the pulpit at
your church?  Too many pastors make the choice to stay silent so they don’t
upset some of their top givers, letting people blindly fall into a cult like

Jesus said that you can’t serve two masters, you cannot serve God and also
be a Mason.  You need to make a choice today WHICH master you are going
to serve, the cult of Freemasonry or God.

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller

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be cast into everlasting darkness forever separated from God your creator.
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Evangelicals For Mitt Romney!

Posted by Job on June 25, 2007

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