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Why Does The Media Focus Only On Harold Camping?

Posted by Job on May 26, 2011

Yes, Harold Camping has been exposed as a false prophet, deceiving many as concerning the timing of the second coming of Jesus Christ. Again. Yes, his deception has caused lots of problems and unnecessary harm, especially for his followers. Again. The question is this: what is the big deal? Why has Camping been the subject of such media attention for months when there are so many pressing stories to cover i.e. wars, famines, diseases, natural disasters, economic failures, political intrigues etc. on a global scale? Clearly the media has an agenda, but what is it?

First off, for the sake of sound doctrine, let it be known that the return of Jesus Christ will not occur until A) the gospel has been taken to all nations and B) a great apostasy, a great falling away from the true faith, occurs. As the great commission is a primary duty of the church, it logical to conclude that the falling away will occur shortly after the great commission is fulfilled, or when the great commission’s fulfillment and with it the time of the Gentiles draws to a close. Anyone who extricates themselves from rapture watching and religious right (or religious left) politics long enough to pay attention to the global missions movements knows that barring a fantastic miracle we are at least 100 years from fulfilling the great commission (the 10/40 window alone is an amazing challenge) and – despite the claims of Camping otherwise – far from there being a great falling away, there are more Christians – or definitely appreciable numbers of Christians in more places – today than at any time in history. So, if we can learn anything from this Camping episode, it is that we should heed the words given by angels and recorded by the physician Luke at the direction of God the Holy Spirit “why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” That was an exhortation to cease waiting for eternity and to get on with the business of living for eternity by loving Jesus Christ and walking in His ways.

With that out of the way, let it further be said that the error of Camping does not undermine the authority of the Bible, Jesus Christ or His church but rather confirms it. How? Because the Bible repeatedly warns against false teachers, including those who would lead people into error concerning His second coming. Jesus Christ said that “false prophets shall deceive many” in Matthew 24:5, and that many will be offended by the true faith in Matthew 24:10. Such false teachings were present even while the New Testament was being written, as the apostle Peter referenced them in 2 Peter 3:4, the apostle John did the same in 1 John 2:18, and the apostle Paul did the same in 2 Thessalonians 2.  Further, Jesus Christ predicted such specifically in Matthew 24:4-5! The New Testament makes it clear that we identify false teachers when they teach things that are in contradiction to the Bible. This truth is what drove William Tyndale to martyrdom, when he stated “I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!” in response to being told that common people didn’t need to be knowledgeable concerning the Bible’s contents, because it was better to obey the pope than the Bible anyway. So, in rejecting Jesus Christ when He stated that none knows the timing of His return save God the Father (Matthew 24:36), and in rejecting Jesus Christ when He stated that the great commission will be fulfilled before He returns (Matthew 24:14) and in rejecting the Holy Spirit’s inspiration of Paul concerning the falling away first in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, this Camping teaches against things concerning God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, and by his doing so and attracting so many followers he verifies the pages of the New Testament when it said that such a thing would happen. So, Camping did not harm the authenticity or integrity of the Bible by being wrong, but rather verified the Bible’s truth! Instead, Camping’s being RIGHT would have been an occasion to challenge the veracity of the Bible, for were Jesus Christ to return before we reach the many tribes in the 10/40 window or while there are tens of millions of believers risking persecution to worship in Africa and Asia, what would be said of those Bible texts?

So, make no mistake, there is nothing special about Camping. Was not just over ten years ago when there were tons of false prophets claiming based on Bible codes and numerology that Jesus Christ was going to return in 2000? (Never mind that the Bible doesn’t follow our modern calendars, and that Bede almost certainly incorrectly calculated the date of the birth of Jesus Christ that we use for “B.C.” and “A.D.” anyway). Or about 25 years ago Jesus Christ was going to return because it was 40 years after of the establishment of the modern state of Israel? (Never mind that Jesus Christ spoke “this generation” to the Jews of His own time concerning the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D., and if the Bible actually does speak of the restoration of the political nation of Israel, it does not link this event to any timetable concerning Christ’s return.) So why all the fuss and the furor? It has to serve some sort of media agenda.

Consider this: how come when the subject in view is Usama bin Laden or some other Muslim terrorist, the media is quick to say “he isn’t a real Muslim” or “he doesn’t represent mainstream Islam that is practiced by hundreds of millions of peaceful followers”, but the media is quick to depict Camping as being in or near the mainstream of evangelical and fundamental Christians? In truth, as Camping rejects the Holy Trinity, he shouldn’t be classified as Christian at all. Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Muslims and Jews all reject the Holy Trinity, a core foundational doctrine of Christianity that sets it apart from other religions that are either polytheistic or present a false teaching on God’s Unity. But while the media does its best to present Islam and increasingly Mormonism as moderate and mainstream, it uses Camping to create a wild eyed, dangerous fanatical face for Bible-believing Christianity.

Another thing: it isn’t as if Camping is the only false prophet or source of wrong information. Far from it. It is just that when so many others get things wrong and are exposed for their false, anti-Biblical thinking, nothing is ever said about it. Instead, the media, the academy, the elites simply move on. (Or they carry on as if the error was never made.) Consider liberal Christianity, such as the critical “scholars.” Barely a year goes by when an archaeological find of a Biblical site or a scientific breakthrough that confirms Biblical truth or discovery of early manuscripts verifying the existence of historical persons, places and the integrity of Biblical texts that the critical scholars challenged, yet the critical scholars are still accepted as scholars, and their methods – which would never be used in any other field because of their ascientific nature – accepted as reliable.

But that is just the Bible, right? Wrong. Take psychology. The theories of giants in that field like Sigmund Freud and Alfred Kinsey have long been discredited. Yet they are still revered as having made great contributions to science, modern thought and human progress, and furthermore their discredited theories are still being taught as fact in our schools and universities. But psychology, save when it is based on experimentation and observation and does not deal with brain’s biology and chemistry, is a “soft science”, right? Sure, except that the theories in the hard sciences like physics and biology turn up erroneous also. Our schools still teach the long-discredited false leads in evolution theory, i.e. the “evolutionary timeline tree chart” that has long been abandoned as unworkable, and fossils allegedly showing primates evolving into humans that were actually either diseased humans or other animals as fact. You would be surprised to know how many of the things that were taught in science class has been quietly abandoned, how much more needs to be pushed from the classroom, and would be if the media held that community to the same scrutiny that it does evangelical and fundamental Christianity.

But that is just arcane science that has little relevance to our daily lives, so what harm does it do? Fine, except that the realm of false prophets also exists in government and policy. Many fantastic, dire predictions have been made and influenced the direction of governments and leaders to who knows what ends. Example? Global warming. Except that they couldn’t call it “global warming” anymore when many places in the world started experiencing prolonged unseasonably cold weather! So, the cause of the cold weather was attributed to greenhouse gas emissions also and “global warming” became “climate change.” I remember a specific prediction from the global warming prophets that had a lot of people frightened: after Hurricane Katrina and other large, powerful destructive hurricanes in 2005, the global warming community (the “climate change” moniker had not yet been instituted) claimed that the increase in the power and severity of the storms were caused by global warming, and that we could expect worse storms – and more of them – thereafter. They predicted that the hurricane season of 2006 was going to be one of the worst in history! All their models said so! What happened? We haven’t had anything approaching Katrina since.

Another example: peak oil. The experts a few decades back claimed that we had maxed out our oil production, that we had exploited the main reserves, that oil production was heading for an inevitable decline, and that we needed to alter our lifestyles and change our way of life to conserve what oil was left or face a global energy crisis. A few years after those dire predictions, some of the largest oil reserves in history were discovered, as well as technological breakthroughs for accessing oil, and possible new sources of oil, such as from shale and sand. (Do not mistake me for an oil company and fossil fuels advocate, quite the contrary I am fully supportive of alternative energy, and believe that a lot of great technology in that area is not being exploited.) And there was also the “overpopulation crisis.” It was promoted by folks who believed that if the world’s population reached 4 billion, it would become unsustainable, and the result would be mass famines and starvation, diseases, wars and environmental degradation. The only solution was immediate global population control programs! Well, now the world population is 6.75 billion and counting.

There is more. Remember when mad cow disease was going to ravage our food supply? Oprah Winfrey said “I’ll never eat a hamburger again!” (Of course, these folks OPPOSE abstinence from fornication as a defense against sexually transmitted disease as the Bible commands, but constantly promotes abstinence from eating the animals that God gave us dominion over and called lawful to eat.) Remember when bird flu was going to kill thousands, or tens of thousands? What about swine flu? Brought to you by the same false prophets who told you to run out and buy cellophane and masking tape to protect yourself from a nuclear terrorist attack after September 11th.

The prophets told us in the 1980s that AIDS was going to wipe out a significant portion of the U.S. population with little or no regard for lifestyle, and needless to say they were wrong, as AIDS rates only increased among homosexuals, the promiscuous and drug users while declining for everyone else. The lead false prophet was surgeon general C. Everett Koop, who used this false information to promote sex education and condom giveaways in schools starting in 3rd grade. Speaking of sex education, the false prophets told us that it would drastically reduce the venereal disease and teen/out of wedlock pregnancy rates, and it did neither. Instead, both shot through the roof, and further there are now new venereal diseases that even condom manufacturers acknowledge their products are useless against (not that you will ever hear that in any public school sex education program).

But wait, there’s more. The prophets told us that abandoning classical education for new education reforms (often based on Freudian or Marxist theories) would lead to markedly improved results and a transformation of society. They were totally wrong, American academic achievement has fallen off the map, and no one talks about it. The prophets told us that divorce and illegitimacy were GOOD for women, children and even most men, but education, poverty, drug use and incarceration rates say otherwise. The prophets claimed that we could eliminate racism through education. How is that working out? They claimed that we could eliminate poverty through government action, and now not only is poverty still a reality (as Jesus Christ said it would in Mark 14:7, not a favorite text among liberal theologians!) but unprecedented numbers of people in America and worldwide are reliant on government assistance of some kind. The false prophets also claimed that the triumph of Soviet communism was inevitable, and the best course of action was resignation, acceptance and learning from and becoming more like them, only to have the Soviet Union collapse and many remaining Marxist regimes like China and Viet Nam adopt more capitalistic economies. Those who predicted that the war on drugs and the war on terror (especially Afghanistan and Iraq) could be effectively and quickly won? Whatever happened to them?

The sociologists who said that eliminating censorship laws and allowing the free trafficking of pornography would make us more progressive and improve relations between the sexes? They have been nowhere to be found as rapists, child molesters and other sex criminals have proliferated, multiplying like rats. The social theorists who claimed that putting criminals in jail wouldn’t lower crime rates because the root causes were economic? Wrong, and verified when crime rates still remained lower despite two severe recessions and deep cuts in social services. (Well, street crime is lower anyway. White collar crime, the rich in their vain attempt to sate their lust for greed, remains through the roof. But the Bible said that this would happen concerning the wealthy also … see the book of James, which is not a favorite among political conservatives or those who teach the false prosperity gospel.) And another example: remember Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s claim that we had to immediately adopt a stimulus package to keep unemployment from hitting 8%? Unemployment has been at or near 10% for over two years! Anti-Christ? Probably not. False prophet? Definitely.

So, on one hand you have ONE Harold Camping, who again due to his rejection of the Holy Trinity and of many Bible texts (he forbids his followers from fellowshipping in local churches in violation of Hebrews 10:25) should not be considered a Christian is a false prophet. On the other hand, you have MANY worldly prophets who due to their embrace of ungodly, anti-Biblical ideas, doctrines, philosophies and imaginations that exalt themselves against God (2 Corinthians 10:5) that are utterly, totally and completely wrong all the time. Now both groups of false prophets are wrong for the same reason: their rejection of Biblical revelation as true, infallible, inerrant, and the final authority in all matters, and not merely things necessary for salvation. But the media and the elites shine the light on Camping to defame and discredit Christians who actually do adhere to the Bible while doing their best to cover up the fact that they so wrong so often on so many issues to the great harm of so many is appalling. It is hypocrisy at best, and a conspiratorial cover-up at worst. If anything, talking about Camping gives them an excuse to keep from having to address the huge mess that these folks have made of the economies, governments and societies of the world. Further, it allows them to transfer the blame from their failed policies – and the rejection of Jesus Christ and the Bible which reveals Him ideology that motivate them – to Christians, as if Christians are undermining their efforts.

Christians, for instance, are blamed for illegitimacy by opposing sex education. Christians are blamed for AIDS by opposing homosexuality. Christians are blamed for poor educational performance for opposing evolution. Christians are blamed for global warming for opposing climate change legislation. Christians are blamed for the wars and tension in the Middle East for supporting Israel and not a Palestinian state (by the way, I reject Zionism, and “Christian” Zionism is especially repugnant to what the Bible actually says, and John Hagee and not a few other false prophets follow this flawed school of interpretation). Christians are called misogynist for adhering to what the Bible says about the roles concerning men and women in the church, in marriages and homes and in society, and for opposing the murder of abortion. Christians are blamed for “Islamophobia” and “anti-Semitism” and “anti-Mormonism” for refusing to deny that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, and accused of undermining cultures with our missionary work. And the list goes on and on.

And it is only going to increase. As more and more ideas based on a rejection of the Bible and even of general revelation (see Romans 1:18-32) causes still more decline and failure, anger will increase against Christians. As the world continues to reap the fruit of the sin and wickedness that it sows, it will increasingly see Christians as scapegoats. Instead of repenting of their sins and acknowledging those as the true source of the misery and calamity, the blame will be on Christians for failing to get with the program.

This will climax in first sporadic but then general and organized attempts to silence Christians and remove us from their midst, in the hopes of keeping us from hindering their “progress.” This is far-fetched, you say? Not in the least, because it has already happened. An example is not merely the brutal repression and murder of Christians on a massive scale in the Soviet Union, China, Germany, Sudan and other totalitarian (whether Marxist, Muslim or fascist) regimes in the last century, but the experience of the church in the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire’s wealth, power and culture were declining due to the decadence and incompetence of its ruling classes, and from Nero to Decius, they saw Christians as a scapegoat.

The legitimate Christians refused to join in their state religion (an odd mix of paganism and patriotism not dissimilar from what goes on in our country today, including in not a few churches) so the Roman “gods” were angry. The Christians refused to join in their public activities (regrettably this is not a mark of contemporary Christianity!) so they were called “divisive” and were accused of undermining the common culture (in addition to not being patriotic!) that was allegedly needed to have a cohesive, strong empire. And Christians preached and taught against the immorality, wickedness and depravity of the people, the rulers and the times. They preached against the rampant adultery, homosexuality, violence and child molestation. They preached against the wanton excesses of the upper classes (again, not a mark of contemporary evangelical Christianity, unless the upper classes in view are Hollywood, government bureaucrats and other liberal elites). And they preached against paganism, not only by the people but the official state religion (again, the evangelical Christian preacher who even speaks of the freemasonry and occult that was vital to this nation’s founding and has been influential in it ever since is rare).

Then, the persecution began as sporadic and localized, but climaxed in a brutal, sustained attempt to completely rid the Roman Empire of Christianity. And despite the estimated ten million Christians that were killed by the Roman Empire (something that you will never see mentioned in history books or depicted in movies, as they are more wont to depict Christians as murderous crusaders and the like) and the carnage of the past hundred years, that is only a shadow of the real bloodbath to come. You see, unlike Harold Camping, I do not adhere to a rapture belief. Instead, I believe the Bible when it says that when the anti-Christ comes, it will be given to him to make war against the saints, and to overcome them. I believe the Bible when it says that the time of tribulation, of great sorrows, will be of such severity that it will be cut short so that the saints, the elect, will survive it. And I believe that the saints that were mentioned in Revelation and Matthew 24 that will see that horrible time are not Jews, or those converted by Jews during the great tribulation, but Christians.

And that is what it is all about. That is why turning an obscure preacher with questionable doctrine into an international news story lasting several cycles was done. It is why Westboro Baptist Church, a cult that has existed for decades, is only now becoming international news. It is why Terry Jones, an obscure leader of a small congregation, became an international pariah for burning a Koran when not only Muslims but the United States military routinely burns Bibles!

It is why terrorists attacks committed by atheists like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph are attributed to Christians. It is why violence against abortion clinics and doctors is an issue oft raised against Christians despite the fact that less than 5 such incidents have occurred in over 20 years, and only 1 in the past 10. The Hutaree militia drew headlines and a massive sting operation from the federal government as a Christian terrorism threat to rival that posed by Al Qaeda, and it turned out to be just a bunch of guys spinning yarns over the Internet.  Yet, the Marxist “liberation theology” types, not a few of whom were trained Soviet infiltrators, fanned the flames for any number of bloody murderous third world Marxist coups with their organizing and “preaching”, and the truth about their activities – and the level of support that they received from their ideological and religious fellow travelers in the U.S. – has never been documented by the media, Hollywood or our schools. Neither has the true history of our own “civil rights movement” – how it duped the black church and many well meaning white Americans into supporting Marxist subversive tactics, and how that movement was also organized by and rife with Soviet agents and sympathizers – been told, and nor can you expect them to spill the beans on their own false prophets.

The agitation propaganda against Christians will continue in the future just as it did in the Roman Empire. Christians should be heedful of the times, which means that we must be aware of what is going on, aware of where it is headed, and aware of whose agenda it is serving. That is why Christians should end these “battles” over “being represented in Hollywood” and the “culture wars” and “religious right politics” (and religious left politics) in favor of opening our eyes to the true state of affairs. Instead, we should study our Bibles, study about the early church during its time of persecution before Christianity was co-opted by the Roman Empire so that by learning about the church’s past, we can learn about the future – our future. Of course, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ will win in the end and vindicate and save His church. But make no mistake: just as Jesus Christ suffered Gethsemane and His passion before His resurrection and glorification, the church, being less than its Master Jesus Christ, must also suffer many things. Christians must be prepared so that we might stand during the time to come, and endure to the end. This is a battle that will be won not by guns, money or governments but by faith in the God who is fighting on our side and prevail.

It must be asked: which side are you on? The side of God, or of the wicked? Though Camping was wrong, his error only proved the Bible to be correct. The Bible makes it clear that the wicked perish and that Jesus Christ and those who believe in Him will triumph. If you do not believe in Jesus Christ, make no mistake, you will be counted among the wicked, because no matter how good you perceive yourself to be, before a holy and perfect God you are a sinner. I urge you, repent of your sins, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

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Proof That Mormons Hate Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit And The Bible

Posted by Job on May 16, 2008

Derived from 50 Answers to 50 Mormon Answers to 50 Anti-Mormon Questions (answer 5) on

Tower To Truth question:

5. Since the Bible’s test of determine whether someone is a true prophet of God is 100% accuracy in all his prophecies (Deut. 18:20-22), has the LDS Church ever reconsidered its teaching that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were true prophets?

FAIR Answer:

Believing Christians should be careful. Unless they want to be guilty of a double standard, they will end up condemning many Biblical prophets by this standard.

Learn more here: Joseph Smith and prophetic test in Deuteronomy 18

My Response:

If you click on the link provided by FAIR, it will take you to a page where their understanding of the Bible (and their sheer hatred for it) becomes apparent.

Actually, I go even further than the most excellent fourpointer, as Mormons choose murdering pedophile Joseph Smith over Jesus Christ (just as the Jews chose Barabbas over Jesus Christ!) and thereby hate Him. Here is how: Then comes Nathan. FAIR says:

Other examples include Nathan:

In 2_Sam. 7:5-17, we read that the prophet Nathan unequivocally prophesied to David that through his son Solomon the Davidic empire would be established “forever,” that the children of Israel would dwell in the promised land “and move no more,” and that the “children of wickedness” would no longer afflict them. These things are quite clearly stated. No conditions are attached to these promises, none whatsoever.[4]

Yet this prophecy clearly did not prove successful if it is interpreted literally.

And there they hit the nail on the head. This passage has Messianic implications. Of course, if you read Matthew’s genealogy of Jesus, you find that Joseph was a direct descendant of Solomon, and the legal (though not by birth) father of Jesus. Thus, the davidic kingdom did indeed pass through Solomon. More sloppy work by a group that (ironically enough) calls itself “FAIR.”

Again, I go further than fourpointer with this. Similar to John Hagee, by claiming that Nathan’s vital Messianic prophecy was not fulfilled, MORMONS THEREBY DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS THE MESSIAH! Making them no different from, say, JOHN HAGEE! It is blasphemy pure and simple motivated by their idolatry of Joseph Smith. 

But in this matter, they are not merely blaspheming Jesus Christ. They are also blaspheming the Holy Spirit! How? Well, prophecy is given through inspiration of the Holy Spirit. By claiming that prophecies fail, they claim that the Holy Spirit is corrupt, flawed, fallible, arbitrary just like sinful man. And since Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, this makes Jesus Christ fallible and God the Father fallible. If you are fallible, you can – and will! – commit sin. 

Really, this is no surprise, for the Mormon god is no god at all, but a mere man that progressed to godhood, and is little different from the false gods of the various polytheistic and pantheistic systems i.e. Zeus, Apollo, Neptune, Baal, Horus, etc. Anyone who follows their systems know that their gods were nothing more than supermen who were very fallible and hence VERY SINFUL. That Mormons prefer Joseph Smith to God and the Bible is no surprise, because their entire belief system is based on making man into a god, allowing them to worship themselves in God’s stead. In short, Mormonism causes you to prefer YOURSELF to God, so how easy is it to prefer Joseph Smith to God? Again, make no mistake, this statement from the Mormon apologists makes the Holy Spirit just as fallible as the murdering pedophile Joseph Smith.

But honestly, this has very little to do with Mormonism itself. Truthfully, Mormonism is just another false religion like Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, oneness pentecostalism, etc. Christians really should have no more respect – or disdain! – for one false belief than they do another. And that is the point: the increasing tolerance that evangelicalism has for Mormonism. It has mostly been under the radar, evangelicals have been hard at work forging interfaith ties with the Mormon community, and have conferred upon them a shocking degree of legitimacy. This goes beyond the political ecumenists of the religious right claiming that Mormons exhibit Christian values, turning “Judeo – Christianity” (which does not and cannot exis) into “Judeo – Mormon – Christianity”, or more truthfully just “Judeo – Christianity” since like Roman Catholicism Mormonism is considered Christian for political purposes. Rather, leading evangelicals have actually given theological and doctrinal legitimacy to Mormonism, claiming that most of it can be supported using reasonable interpretations of scripture, and the differences between Mormonism and “traditional Christianity” are small. This is the inevitable result of evangelicals entering into “conversations” and “exchanges” with Mormons based on the idea that the two groups have anything in common. 

So, true Christians committed to the faith must continue to publicly expose what Mormons actually believe so that they do not fall for it. We have to let people know why any preacher, scholar, theologian, etc. no matter how respected and accomplished that comes out defending the Mormon religion in any context or fashion beyond what they would do for, say, Shia Islam, has to be unconditionally rebuked, and if he refuses to change his evil error quickly and summarily rejected. 

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Arizona And Utah Attorney Generals Admit To Protecting Mormon Polygamy!

Posted by Job on May 4, 2008

Their excuses for doing so are simply amazing. They stated that they were only focusing on WELFARE FRAUD, child abuse, and domestic abuse because “going after polygamy may violate freedom of religion and privacy rights.”  Translation: if we take a stand that polygamy is ILLEGAL and WRONG now, then we will be admitting that what Joseph Smith did was ILLEGAL and WRONG, making him a FALSE PROPHET. Second, how on earth does prosecuting someone for POLYGAMY violate privacy rights when prosecuting someone for child abuse and domestic violence doesn’t? If anything else, there is a stronger case that filing child abuse and domestic abuse charges when the child and/or spouse does not object – which is so in a lot of instances – violates privacy rights than for polygamy. The reason is that where domestic and child abuse falls under “whatever happens in my house is my business”, polygamy involves society and culture. Even better: there are laws on the books against polygamy, and the attorney generals are feigning ignorance over whether their own laws are constitutional. Well, why don’t they prosecute a case and find out? Isn’t that we have courts to begin with? 

I was noticing from the various Mormon – frequented outlets that support for the Texas raid among Mormons was AT BEST 50/50. They kept saying “Yeah, these people were breaking the law and the church says that polygamy is wrong and children were being abused BUT …” The most hilarious were the usual refuge of those that defend the indefensible: “the authorities ought to have more important things to worry about than this.” Some of these nice Mormon folk questioned why the police weren’t throwing the parents of inner city teen mothers in jail. So I guess WELFARE FRAUD is a big deal with these people after all. They feel fine with attacking someone else’s culture but can’t stand it when their own is attacked? Some people are actually comparing the FLDS compound raid with Waco. You know, except for the involvement of the ATF and all of the dead innocent people, they were exactly the same! And great job comparing the FLDS folk with David Koresh, who actually was having sex with preteen girls. In reality, the Waco operation had nothing to do with the FLDS raid. The federal government had plenty of opportunities to arrest Koresh, who frequently left the compound unaccompanied.

Instead, they warned Koresh and gave his cult members plenty of time to prepare the siege, because they WANTED to show your tax dollars at work live on national television. And when that suicidal apocalyptic cult did what suicidal apocalyptic cults do … well the federal government had the audacity to claim that THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN. Never forget that the Waco operation was initiated by the Bush administration and finished by the Clinton one. Also, never forget that the armed to the teeth suicidal Waco folks had never shown any inclinations of being a threat to anyone but themselves. The government could have at any time ended the siege and walked away. Keep in mind: this whole cult’s belief was based on Koresh being Jesus Christ. Their system was based on them all dying together with their messiah. But arresting Koresh and putting him in jail for life for child rape … well that would have removed their entire rationale for mass suicide and murder. And yes, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, etc. knew this. 

But the FLDS raid in Texas was, er, completely different. They went right in and shut down the whole operation. No assistance from the federal authorities. No TV cameras to bring mass murder/suicide live into your living rooms. Oh yes, and they did not tip off the cult members in advance, giving them the chance to dig in and mount an armed resistance! In other words, they did everything that the Clinton – Bush administration DID NOT DO in the Waco incident. Or rather, they carried out the same operation that would have been carried out in Waco had the Clinton – Bush warmongering fascists not been involved. That is right, had the state of Texas ran the Waco operation, they would have simply arrested Koresh in advance and waited for the followers to surrender peacefully based on their religious beliefs being shattered, because the state of Texas would not have wanted to have mass murder/suicide on its hands. So the fact that the LDS people are using Waco to defend their “disassociated” FLDS co – religionists shows something. And it is also interesting that the LDS folk – and the other right wingers – always refer to Waco (and the Ruby Ridge incident of white separatist Randy Weaver, which was also another example of government murder) and NOT the M.O.V.E. incident in Philadelphia. But then again, the M.O.V.E. people were black …,5143,695276307,00.html

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Mormons Say Mexicans Are God’s Chosen People (And Many Mexican Illegals Agree!)

Posted by Job on March 13, 2008

Now some would call a “hate site.” (Not against Mormons, but rather blacks and Hispanics). If you can, er, get past that, read the information below.

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Posted by Job on March 3, 2008

(Deuteronomy 13:5; Isaiah 9:15)



“Dear Mr.  Keller, I am responding to your recent comments on the Fox News Network
regarding your opinion that Oprah is the “most dangerous woman in the
world.”  I am a “Course in Miracles” student for some time now, a student of
the “We are All One” philosophy.  I was born and raised a Christian, but
have in the past several years found much strength and faith in the belief
that we are all from the same God.  I am puzzled regarding your comments,
since I am of the belief that one need not be a Christian to get to heaven.
It appears that your strong public opinions create more divisiveness on this
troubled planet at a time when we need to become more united…that is all
humanity, everywhere, united in LOVE with the same God.  I have found in my
exploration of spirituality that I have gained much more peace than I ever
found in my Christian based religion.”

Oprah is selling “spiritual crack” and leading millions of souls to hell!
After finding great success pushing the New Age agenda over the years on her
TV program, New Age witch Oprah Winfrey is now clearly committing her vast
resources to lead millions of unsuspecting souls to hell selling them the
“spiritual crack” of the day, New Age teachings.  Just like crack, these
false teachings make people feel good for a moment but lead them on a path
of destruction.

Earlier this year, Oprah began teaching a year-long course on her XM
Satellite radio channel, “A Course in Miracles.”  A Course in Miracles is
allegedly “new revelation” from “Jesus” to help humanity work through these troubled times.
This “Jesus”-who bears no doctrinal resemblance to the Bible’s Jesus Christ-began delivering his channeled teachings in 1965 to a Columbia University Professor of Medical Psychology by the name of Helen Schucman. (My note: this is eerily similar to Frank Peretti’s character Juleen Langstrat of “This Present Darkness.)

Her latest venture in New Age teachings will be a 10 week seminar over the
Internet beginning tonight when Oprah and best selling New Age author
Eckhart Tolle will be teaching from his new book, “A New Earth, Awakening
Your Life’s Purpose.”  Over 1 million people have already signed up for this
10 week web cast that will lead them away from Biblical Truth and faith in
Jesus Christ through Tolle’s perverted spiritual teachings.
 I have told you
for years this is the most dangerous woman on earth, and she is clearly now
being used as a tool of satan to lead millions of souls to hell with these
false teachings she is promoting, while making millions of dollars doing it!

For the nearly 9 years Liveprayer has been around, I have continually
exposed this New Age false-hope merchant and warned people of how dangerous
she is. If Oprah Winfrey was simply another Hollywood entertainer I could
care less about her. What makes her so dangerous is that while her program
normally deals with the same subject matter the raunchy Jerry Springer
program does, Oprah also deals with the very real day-to-day issues of life
and uses her nationally-syndicated television program to tell people how to
live. The authority she speaks from? Herself, OPRAH WINFREY!

We are living in a time where the better percentage of two full generations
don’t go to church. People still hit those difficult places in life and at
those moments they are looking for help and for hope. Sadly, the Christian
leaders of our day have abandoned the marketplace and secular television for
the safety and prosperity of the “Christian trough.” In so doing, they have
left the lost and hurting masses looking for a savior, someone to come along
and help them through the difficult moments of life, tell them how to live,
and give them hope. To fill this void in people’s spiritual lives, along
comes Oprah!

People defend her by saying she is not a theologian or a preacher, she is a
talk-show host and entertainer. I agree. However, that is not how she
portrays herself or positions herself. She has eagerly cashed in to the tune
of over $1 BILLION DOLLARS on being the spiritual guru to over 49 million
people a week! The authority she speaks from is what she has determined
truth to be, her views on right and wrong, her values and morals, as opposed
to the only Truth and authority there is…God’s Word!

Lest you think I have overstated my case and have been wrong all these
years, please take a moment to read some quotes from a recent article in the
USA Today on “the Divine Miss Winfrey.”

“Over the past year, Winfrey, 52, has emerged as a spiritual leader for the
new millennium, a moral voice of authority for the nation.”

“With her television pulpit and the sheer power of her persona, she has
encouraged and steered audiences (mostly women) in all matters, from
genocide in Rwanda to suburban spouse swapping to finding the absolute best
T-shirt and oatmeal cookie.”

” ‘She’s a really hip and materialistic Mother Teresa,’ says Kathryn Lofton,
a professor at Reed College in Portland, Ore., who has written two papers
analyzing the religious aspects of Winfrey. ‘Oprah has emerged as a symbolic
figurehead of spirituality.’ ”

” ‘She’s a moral monitor, using herself as the template against which she
measures the decency of a nation,’ Lofton says.”

“With 49 million viewers each week in the USA and more in the 122 other
countries to which the show is distributed, Winfrey reaches more people in a
TV day than most preachers can hope to reach in a lifetime of sermons.”

“In a November poll conducted at, a site that looks at how
religions and spirituality intersect with popular culture, 33% of 6,600
respondents said Winfrey has had “a more profound impact” on their spiritual
lives than their clergypersons.”

“Winfrey called her talk show her ‘ministry.’ ”

“Marcia Nelson says that it’s not going too far to call her a spiritual
leader. ‘I’ve said to a number of people – she’s today’s Billy Graham.’ ”

” ‘Our culture is changing,’ he says, ‘as churches are in decline and the
bulk of a new generation is growing up outside of religion.’ Instead,
they’re turning to the Church of Oprah.” (Note: an episode of the TV Show Futurama predicted that Oprahism would replace Christianity.)

” ‘People who have no religion relate to her,’ Nelson says.”

It is clearly established that Oprah Wiinfrey views herself as some sort of
spiritual leader, and based on the 49 million viewers of her TV program, you
can laugh at that notion but can’t ignore the fact she has an incredible
amount of influence over tens of millions of lives. Let me be clear. The
danger of Oprah Winfrey is that like any cult leader, her version of the
truth and her final authority are not from God but from herself! It has been
clearly documented from transcripts that Oprah Winfrey may use the name of
“God,” and very rarely “Jesus,” and use many “Christian” expressions, but so
does the Mormon cult! While she was raised in the Baptist church, she has
been a long-time member (though rarely attends) of a very liberal church in
Chicago that mixes Christian faith with New Age spirituality, that also
happens to be the church of B. Hussein Obama.

Because she has never been married, choosing instead of live for decades
outside the bonds of God’s Holy Institution with a man who is not her
husband, Oprah has a jaundiced view on this most sacred bond between a man
and woman. (In truth, Oprah Winfrey is a radical feminist that views marriage as oppressive to women, and hints at such from time to time on her show, especially during a particularly grotesque episode where she distorted the words of her mother by claiming that she wanted her daughter to get married and go through a lifestyle of sexual submissiveness to her husband, which incidentally was not what the woman was actually saying it and Oprah knew it; Oprah just chose to humiliate this woman on national TV merely because the woman wanted her promiscuous daughter to get married and restrict her sexual behavior to marriage. So Winfrey is actually worse than Keller is depicting here. I still remember the episode where Winfrey attempted to similarly humiliate Kirk Franklin and his wife – who never should have went on her show in the first place – but Franklin was smart enough not to give her an opening.) Oprah embraces the New Age philosophy that there are “many roads that lead to God,” a lie from the pits of hell itself. On her program she promotes and endorses cults like Scientology, Kaballah, those who speak to the dead, psychics, and people of ANY “spirituality.” There is only ONE GOD, the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to promote the false gods of this world makes Oprah an enemy of God!

As for the social issues, Oprah condones and supports those who choose to
engage in the sin of homosexuality. Oprah is on the record supporting a
“woman’s right to choose,” code for slaughtering innocent babies. While she
gives lip service to being pro-family, Oprah’s definition of the family is
whatever men want it to be, not what God says it is! Again, the truth Oprah
espouses comes from her own imagination, not from the only authority and
source of Truth there is, the Bible. By going against God’s Word on the key
social issues of our day makes Oprah an enemy of God.

I could go on, but there is no reason to. Simply denying the Bible as the
only Truth there is, God as the one and only God there is, and faith in
Jesus Chris as the one and ONLY WAY to be saved, makes this woman dangerous
and a false prophet in every sense of the word. What makes a person a false
prophet is that they lead you AWAY from God, Biblical Truth and Jesus
Christ. Sadly, those who follow this false prophet, this merchant of false
hope, put their eternal souls in peril. That is why I have warned people for
years about her and will continue to.

I love you and care about you so much. I know all the Oprah disciples who
spend hundreds of dollars to go hear her preach the “gospel of Oprah” at her
seminars, buy her books and magazine, watch her faithfully every day, hang
on her every word, will run to her defense by pointing out all the good she
does. I don’t doubt for a second that Oprah uses some of her billions to
help others. That is not the issue. The Mormon cult feeds the hungry,
clothes the naked, and visits the prisoners, yet they are still lost and
going to hell for rejecting Jesus Christ. The Mafia gives millions to
worthwhile causes that help those in need, but that doesn’t make them good
people. God’s Word teaches you can’t buy your way into heaven!

So what is the answer to Rev. Oprah? She is locked in. One of the most
powerful women in the entertainment business. She is not going away and now
that she is at least being honest about her “spiritual guru” status, will
become even bolder in trying to position herself as the spiritual leader of
the nation. By the way, this is EXACTLY how the anti-Christ will rise to
power and the one-world religion will come to be. A charismatic figure who
can control the masses and fill their spiritual needs by feeding them a
perverse theology that makes them feel good for the moment.

The answer is to take on Oprah just like Elijah took on the prophets of
Baal, head-on! In the end, the TRUTH will always win out over the lie. False
hope will always give way to true hope. The false prophet will always be
exposed when confronted by a true prophet of God. I have told you many times
that what we are dealing with is a battle for the souls of men. This is why
I am so passionate about the Liveprayer television program being on
worldwide. It will be a beacon of light in the darkness of this world for
Biblical Truth and lead people to the only answer there is..Jesus Christ!

The reality is, for nearly 5 years now, night after night I have done on the
Liveprayer television program what Oprah does on her program. Deal with the
pressing issues of the day, reach out to people who are hurting, and give
them answers for their life. The difference? I let them know that I can’t
help them and I am not their answer, Jesus is! I deal with the issues of the
day not from a worldly perspective but a Biblical one! The answers for the
hurting I share are not from my imagination but from God’s Word! The truth I
share is not my truth, it is God’s Truth! The hope I give people is not a
false hope, but the ONLY hope there is…JESUS CHRIST!

(Sadly, many high profile Christians will go on Oprah’s program and rather
than confront her and challenge the false theology she espouses, say nothing
so they can sell whatever book they are pushing. David had no fear in taking
on Goliath on his own turf. David was a shepherd, not a great man of war
like Goliath. I have no fear in taking on Oprah on her own turf. I am an
evangelist, not a great television and entertainment celebrity like Oprah.
David didn’t need the fancy armor of Saul, only a few pebbles. I don’t need
fancy buildings and studios, only a few pebbles and that is why I am asking
you at this time to help me. Supply me with the pebbles I need and our God
will do the rest!)

The world has always had false prophets, merchants of false hope. Oprah, her
creation “Dr. Phil,” Montel, and B. HUssein Obama, are simply some of the
more notable ones of our day. I expose them for who they are, talk about
them, because they are leading people AWAY from the only Truth there is and
AWAY from the only hope there is. Pray for Oprah today. The fact is, Oprah
could become a powerful woman of God if she would humble herself before the
Almighty, get on her knees and confess Jesus Christ as Lord, and stop
preaching the gospel of Oprah but the Gospel of Jesus Christ, stop selling
people “spiritual crack,” but give them the Truth of God’s Word!!!

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller

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Black Students At Mormon Brigham Young University Complain Of Racism … Nicely

Posted by Job on February 27, 2008

Original link here.

PROVO — While attending Black History Month events at Brigham Young University this month, many black students have spoken out about their feelings on being a minority at the university — and issues that arise from being black and Mormon. Of the 30,426 students enrolled at BYU, 158 are black, according to BYU statistics.

Black students speaking to the Deseret Morning News at a recent Black History Month presentation emphasized they have been treated very well at BYU — by faculty and students alike. But being a minority anywhere is difficult, they said. Niiboi Amertev, 25, a junior from Ghana, said sometimes he feels white people in Utah don’t feel comfortable around him, and he can tell by their body language. “Actions speak louder than words,” Amertev said.

Barima Kwarteng, 20, a sophomore from Ghana, said most people at BYU simply don’t have a lot of exposure to blacks, and they don’t really understand black people. “I get the impression they think I’m here to play sports,” said Kwarteng, who is majoring in computer engineering. Catherine Spruill, 27, of Steilacoom, Wash., a senior, said, “People make ignorant remarks. They’re not worth remembering. We’ve been commanded to forgive. The easiest way to forgive something is to forget about it.”

Some black students said they wish the school would recruit more blacks so they wouldn’t be such a minority. “There should be more outreach,” said Noah Morris, 29, BYU’s Black Student Union president and a junior born in Nigeria. BYU does have a national multicultural student recruitment program called SOAR. It starts in eighth grade and steers students toward college preparation. It includes a weeklong summer session on campus, with classes including preparation for the SAT exam, said BYU spokeswoman Carri P. Jenkins.

During the past few weeks, BYU’s Black Student Union hosted myriad events for Black History Month.

Ahmad Corbitt, a black member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who serves as director of the church’s New York Office of Public and International Affairs, spoke to about 100 students on the struggle some members have with the priesthood limitation once practiced by the church. His talk referred to the church’s decision in 1978 that black male members could hold the priesthood. A dozen students and a few guests stayed almost an hour after the presentation to pepper Corbitt with questions and concerns regarding race and their religion.

The students didn’t mention any specific problems at BYU but did say they don’t appreciate the folklore that they said is sometimes spread by seminary teachers or church leaders regarding blacks in the church. One example, the students said, is when people say blacks “sat on the fence,” or weren’t fully committed to Christ in the pre-mortal life, and therefore are punished by the color of their skin on earth. “Speculation about inferiority in the pre-earth life” is not part of the church’s doctrine nor part of the curriculum, Corbitt said. He advised the students, when they hear people repeating these stories, to take the matter to a bishop and/or a stake president and make them aware of what is being said. Such folklore is definitely not supposed to be taught in the seminary program, said Thomas R. Valletta, director of the Church Education System curriculum. “That (folklore) is certainly not true, and it’s not in the curriculum,” Valletta said.

Several students at Corbitt’s presentation said they wished church leaders would speak directly to racial problems during a general conference session. Entire talks have been devoted to issues such as pornography, the students pointed out. Corbitt said racial issues have been addressed during general conference talks.

LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley spoke on racial intolerance in a priesthood session during the April 2006 general conference: “Racial strife still raises its ugly head, even among church members. There are reports of racial slurs and denigrating remarks among us. This is unacceptable. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ.” During the discussion with Corbitt, one black woman said she believes, just from her own personal experience, that 30 percent of the people she encounters in Utah make racially offensive remarks.

Black BYU student Hunter Stott, 28, a junior from Salt Lake City, said he believes the group that intends to be offensive is much smaller than those who just make offhand remarks. “A lot of them are just ignorant,” Stott said. “Most people don’t try to be hurtful.”Corbitt says some people have said to him, “You’re a nice colored fellow.” “All I say to that is ‘Thank you very much. And I think you’re nice too.’ Period.”

Some students argued with Corbitt and said they feel it’s their responsibility to correct and educate those who make racially ignorant remarks. Corbitt said correcting the person would sometimes lead to offense. He may, however, give a person advice on word choices if they are going to be dealing with more black people in future occasions and to help the person “deal more effectively in society.”He advised them not to “worry so much about people who are committing a faux pas just because they live in an area where there is 1 percent blacks.”

Corbitt said he rarely gets offended because being offended is a choice. “I refuse to allow it to hurt me,” he said. “That is my choice.” In another Black History Month event, students watched snippets of a film called “Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons,” by Margaret Young and Darius Gray. The film is scheduled to be shown in the Foursite Film Festival, March 8 at Peery’s Egyptian Theater in Ogden. When asked if there are racial issues at BYU, Gray said, “It doesn’t matter where you are. There are racial issues. Race is a reality.”

The comments are really telling:

cheeseman | 1:02 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I really respect black students at BYU and in the Church in general. It would be very difficult for me as a Caucasian to join a church that had previously limited my ability to advance or lead due to my race. I sincerely believe that the whole Priesthood issue was a mistake by man that somehow was perpetuated until 1978. President David O McKay, not known as the most staunch supporter of civil rights, always referred to it as a policy rather than doctrine. It will definitely be one of the first questions I ask in the next life.
deronda | 2:00 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Nevertheless, I was taught in seminary in the 1960’s that indeed blacks were neutral in the war in heaven. And I remember the daughter of the stake president say a girl would lose her salvation if she married a black man. I even remember the seminary teacher repeat the legend that Dinah Shore had a black baby.
Anonymous | 6:49 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I am glad the Des. News published this article. Here’s what I hope Church leaders would address at some point:
1. Why the Church refused to endorse the civil rights movement in the ’60s. ET Benson likened the movement to communism (but Hugh B. Brown steadfastly opposed him!).
2. Church leader after church leader, from Brigham Young to at least George Albert Smith (maybe later), said blacks were of the “seed of cain.” The 2nd Manifesto doesn’t repudiate that doctrine. Would a leader have the courage to step up and say that Young and the others were absolutely wrong? Please!
3. Joseph Smith ordained blacks to the priesthood, but his successors changed the policy. I would like to see church leaders, in conference, grapple with this history. Not just say “let’s be tolertant” (which we should), but explain to the church body how Smith’s policy had been changed over time. And yes, explain to the church that it was a policy.
4. Brigham Young explained that slavery was inspired by God and John Taylor said that blacks were only fit to be servants to white people. I’d like to see church leaders explain this. In short, educated us!
Kimberly | 7:31 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
I wasn’t the girl that only hung out with black people in school; I had mostly white friends, and growing up I didn’t really know the difference… but boy did it hit me hard. Black people didn’t accept me, because I was too “white”, but if I went to a church activity, people gave me the weirdest looks… and I swear if there were 151 boys and 150 girls at a dance, I would *guaranteed* be the girl that was never asked to dance. We still hear garbage about blacks in the preexistence, Harold B. Lee quotes from back in the day, and what Church publication has *young* black couples on it, or even interracial ones? Not many… People, at least here, always seem to make the assumption that I’m a convert, or that I’m so different that I wouldn’t want to be around the “typical” Mormon.

It’s kind of hard to feel like you’re too white for the world, and too black for the Church. As a result, I hated being black growing up, because it seemed like my race was the only thing preventing me from who I wanted to be.

Kimberly | 7:32 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
In Utah, there aren’t many black people, and it’s cool that maybe people are interested in getting to know me, but I kind of don’t want to be the token black girl. I don’t want people touching my hair, expecting me to do the Harlem Shake at a church dance, blasting hip-hop when I walk by (all of which have happened, in a church setting!). I think that is what the article means by ignorance, the ignorance that comes from just not understanding… and that sort is pretty forgivable, just kind of annoying after a while.

I think that black students go to BYU for the same reasons that white students, Asian students, whatever kind of students do–they want to learn, they want to increase their testimonies, and maybe about 80% want to get married at 17. 🙂 I don’t think that they should leave just because of people’s lack of understanding, but I think that talking about it does help, because then people can understand their perspective on things. It isn’t meant to make people mad, or make people think we’re repinning slavery on folks–it’s just to clear the air on some things!

Stan Zielinski | 7:34 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Until the leaders of the Mormon church stand up in General Conference and clearly debunk the bogus racist myths perpetuated by their predecessors and clearly repudiate the extremely racist past statements issued by people who were supposed to be representing Jesus Christ, (which that still stand, BTW) and seek forgiveness and healing, the myths will continue to be perpetuated by indoctrinating generation after generation with the same racist myths behind closed doors. As a former Mormon teacher, I know that these offensive racist myths are still privately believed, even by the next generation of Mormons. They know how offensive, and politically incorrect it is to repeat these myths in public so they keep them private, but they are still a part of the MOrmon world view and will be so until the MOrmon leadership takes real measures to debunk those persistently perpetuated myths.

As long as Mormon scriptures still contain extremely racist passages, there is no exorcising the systemic racism that has been institutionalized over the entire history of Mormonism and Mormonism will still remain officially, a racist institution, which is the main reason my conscience would not allow me to remain a member, even though I’m not black.

Kimberly | 7:40 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
One of my biggest worries in the Church is that I won’t get married until later in life, just because black women really aren’t on the radar for most folks in the Church. I know that this doesn’t exactly matter once you find the right one, but it kind of does mean you miss out on dating… Perhaps it’s different in Utah because everyone dates for sport, I don’t know.

If people didn’t get mad when concerns that may be a little bit difficult to talk about were raised, we could really come closer to being united as a church. I know that most people in the Church love one another, but I also think there could be a bit more understanding.

The bottom line is, I don’t want anyone to treat me differently (in a overtly good or bad way) because of my race, but for now I *must* be different so that people can see what is wrong. Some of the generalizations some of you have made in your comments are extremely dangerous, like how *all* blacks distance themselves in language/behavior…totally untrue! it’s assumptions like this that build walls where they have no place.

Trent | 8:13 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Oh, this is classic. LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley speaking on racial intolerance in a priesthood session during the April 2006 general conference:

“Racial strife still raises its ugly head, even among church members. There are reports of racial slurs and DENIGRATING remarks among us. This is unacceptable. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ.” Denigrate comes from the Latin, pp. of denigrare “to blacken” [de- “completely” + nigr- “black”. In other words, “to make completely black”]. The racism is built into our language! That is what is offensive.

And the racism is built into the fabric of the LDS Church because of DOCTRINAL TEACHINGS throughout its history, as well as its OFFICIAL DOCTRINAL POSITION prior to 1978 that forbade the priesthood to “descendants of Cane.” There is no “whitewashing” this problem in the LDS Church, no matter how many people of color the Church tries to hire as spokespersons, or how much “apologetics” the Church leaders and scholars attempt. The facts speak for themselves: The Church was officially racist for over a century. You don’t just ignore that and smile.

Light | 9:21 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Mormons are taught in there own scriptures that blacks are a condemned race. This my friends is fact. Members of the LDS faith can sugarcoat it any way they want, however the scriptures don’t lie. Until the General authorities come out and say Joseph Smith is 100% wrong for writing these things, there is nothing else to talk about. Here are two of the scriptures in Moses that Joseph Smith claims to have re-written for all of our benefit.

8 For behold, the Lord shall acurse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people. (moses 7:8)
22 And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them. (moses 7:22)

When these teachings are still acknowledged then change will never completely happen. “God has no religion” Ghandi

Blair G. | 9:34 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Get over racism. As brothers and sisters and children of god, I did not create our color combinations either, black, brown, white, or purple, and neither did you. Give the Creator credit for creating us with an unique identity, which includes our skin. The Lord does not apologize for what he does in or outside the LDS Church and neither do members of this church have anything to apologize about. The church is still the Kingdom of God on Earth with Jesus Christ the chief cornerstone. I do not believe that we have the right to second guess his purposes for any of us. Feeling weird in a predominently different culture with your skin standing out is not a issue of racism, but simply an issue of insecurity. Get over the racism issues.
Craig | 9:48 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
The LDS Church got its racist views from the Bible. The Old testament is full of passages where the Lord has commanded his people to not intermarry with other specific races. Even Jesus hesitated to help a woman but then showed compassion because of her great faith See Mark Chapter 7
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. 27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. 28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs. 29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter. It was God that barred the Priesthood from the Cannanite Race. Not Man.
RockOn | 10:06 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
To DudeMan:
People got these “sitting on the fence” ideas in trying to justify the “practice” by trying to reach for doctrines. There was an awful book called something like “The Negro and the Priesthood” that had a whole litany of silly reasons including Egyptus, Ham stories, and on and on. I really am not condemning these people. They were products of their times just as Paul was when he justified making slaves obey their masters. Modern revelation is essential but will rarely, if ever, outpace the abilities of the free agency of the people at the time. The Israelites were only given a partial dose of the truth and they had a hard time with that and the Lord had to let them stew for another 40 years before taking them the next step.
Linus | 10:47 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
God is a god of order. The blessings and privileges of the gospel will go to all men, but in the order God chooses. The order He chooses is not a reflection of God’s favoritism or of ethnic superiority. Read your Bible and your Book of Mormon. You will learn that Anglo-Saxons weren’t first in line. “The first (of Israel) shall be last, and the last shall be first.” There are verses that explain that Israel are the only ones who will lay eyes on The Christ; whereas Gentiles must be satisfied with only the visitation of the Spirit.  As an Anglo, I do not feel inferior to Israel or rejection, knowing that my folks and I had to wait our turn, or are denied visitation of The Son. I will be thankful for the visitation of the Holy Ghost, and wait for the hereafter to behold the face of the Savior. If you think the Church represents racism, you should attend a ward in Aba Nigeria (as I have) and feel first-hand the love of God and the brotherhood of man. “by this shall men know ye are my disciples, if ye have love one for another.”
Gary | 10:57 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Below are just a handful of comments from past church leaders regarding African Americans, and I can assure you that these statements are NOT “Folklore” but sadly are true: “Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species…”
(Joseph Smith, Jr., January 2nd, 1845, History of the Church, volume 5, pages 21-218)

“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. The nations of the earth have transgressed every law that God has given, they have changed the ordinances and broken every covenant made with the fathers, and they are like a hungry man that dreameth that he eateth, and he awaketh and behold he is empty.”
(Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, volume 10, page 110)

re: light | 11:08 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Those teachings are acknowledge, that’s why they are in the scriptures. You haven’t revealed anything. In addition you personal interpretation of blacks being a condemned race is hate speech against mormons. Never, never has the church taught they are condemned. Salvation has always been offered to members of that race in this dispensation (big word meaning specific time period). You can’t find one instance since 1830 where a sincere African American desiring baptism has been denied, no where. Your accusations are evil at best.
this better get posted! | 11:09 a.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Racist doctrine is why i left the church. read the quote below. if god is unchanging why was he racist in 1954 and is not now? Or was an apostle wrong? either way it severly discredits the church. Mark E. Peterson A MORMON APOSTLE said this in 1954

“Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood…. This Negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in their lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa–if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory. “

Brian | 1:07 p.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Just because the seed of Cain was given a darker skin color does not mean LDS people are racist. God can do what he wants as he works his plan and our job is to be kind to each other. I don’t have an explanation for everything God has done, and it isn’t my job to explain it all. My job is to love my neighbor as myself. That is regardless of skin color, gender, gender attraction, race, nationality, or whatever. I have no idea why God created so many different versions of people after his image, but I’m not wasting time trying to figure it all out. I’m spending time trying to figure out how to help people and get appropriate help from people. But, to think that the Brethren thought they had all the answers is to misrepresent the Brethren. People have interpreted what they said as meaning one thing or another and that isn’t fair.  This is further proof that the Mormon church did until very recently hold racism as official doctrine, and that the church lies about it. Most Mormons either go along with the lies or (if they are younger or are recent converts) sincerely do not know about them. Now the racist passages on this issue are still in their holy books, but I would surmise that Mormons are about as familiar with those as most Christians actually are with the Bible.
Raymond Takashi Swenson | 3:46 p.m. Feb. 27, 2008
The priesthood bar was never applied to other minority races, from American Indians to Hispanics to Polynesians to Asians. The Church was sending missionaries to those “minority groups”, to Indians since 1830, to Polynesia since 1844, to Japan in 1901. Plenty of Polynesians have darker skins than American blacks. How are Mormons racist when many of them were not white, and the whites actively recruit non-whites in Africa and Latin-America? Mormons were largely not slave-owning Southerners, but Northerners. Converts came from anti-slavery Britain and Scandinavia. Mormons never had racially segregated congregations. There were blacks in my ward in Salt Lake in the 1950s. Contrast Southern Baptists, whose church was created to defend slavery, and who still have some segregated congregations. Plenty of white Mormons are donating 2 years as missionaries in African nations. How can you call them racist? In my little Idaho ward, we have families with mixed race marriages and adopted black children and an elder from Kenya. They were all accepted as ward members. Some people may be concerned about how you, as a minority person, look at THEM. American society says all blacks have anger and all whites are guilty. They just need reassurance.
 Just a myth? | 4:23 p.m. Feb. 27, 2008
August 17, 1949
The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.

The First Presidency ref. (Neither White nor Black:Signature Books; Midvale, Utah
© 1984 by Signature Books.)

wYo8 | 7:14 p.m. Feb. 27, 2008
This is neither here nor there just a simple what if. If proir to 1964 (Civil rights) and 1978 (Revelation on the Priesthood). If the Lord called a black brother to be a bishop or stake president how would the south handled it both within and out of the Church. I don’t think it would of went over very well. A Black Bishop calling a white person to be his counselor or whatever calling. When they couldn’t even drink out of the same fountain or use the same bathroom, etc. The Mormons were hated anyway and it could of been another stone thrown at them. Personally I think the Lord had to wait for the slave mentality to be overcome and to let the civil rights movement get going before President Kimball’s revelation in 1978. It was 14 years from 1964 to 1978. Not a very long time to have a country and a way of thinking to change. We are still talking about this today. The First Vision was 44 years after the revolution war. The United States was still in its Infancy. The Lord is and always will be in charge of his work.
LDS in Oregon | 7:54 p.m. Feb. 27, 2008
Serving as an LDS missionary in Detriot (mid-1990s) I served in a branch led by three Black brethern(High Priests serving in Branch Presidency) who were amazing individuals, all recent converts. Alma Chapter 13 states that High Priests are foreordained to be high priests because of their exceeding faith and good works in the premortal life–this includes our Black brethern. There is no doctrinal foundation for any inferiority doctrine and the recorded statements and actions of Joseph Smith should put any such theory to rest. Any statement by this or that General Autority that implies or states otherwise is not doctrine but speculation. Remeber–Aaron, Moses’ brother and the namesake of the Aaronic Priesthood fashioned a golden calf for the Israelites–but he is still an honored servant is he not? Some Black members of the branch were LDS prior to the 1978 Revelation and had the faith to wait for the long promised day when our Black brothers would hold the Priesthood. That long promised day, foreseen by Brigham Young and later Presidents of the Church occured as predicted in 1978. The Lord directs the LDS Church and most of you reading this post know it to be true.

All the more reason why Christians, whether right or left, should leave this “political/cultural/social ecumenism” behind and start to earnestly pray for the salvation of Mormons.

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Mormon And Jehovah’s Witnesses Classified As Christian By World Council Of Churches!

Posted by Job on February 21, 2008

Original link.

The two fastest-growing church bodies in the United States and Canada, according to a newly published report, are ones whose beliefs are known to conflict with traditional Christian teaching.

Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, regarded by many Christians as cults, reported the largest membership increases in a year, according to the National Council of Churches’ 2008 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches.

Although Jehovah’s Witnesses currently rank 25th in size with over 1.06 million members, they reported a 2.25 per cent increase in membership since the publication of the 2007 Yearbook. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – also known as the Mormon church – grew 1.56 per cent and is listed by the NCC as the fourth largest ‘church’.

Notably, however, both Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormon church are not accepted within many Christian circles as part of the larger Body of Christ over a number of controversial beliefs that the two religions hold.

The identification of Jehovah’s Witnesses as Christian is debated largely due to their rejection of the Trinity, which most Christians regard as a fundamental doctrine. Latter-day Saints, meanwhile, are often criticised for their belief in “divine” books of scripture, aside from the Bible, including the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Mormonism was formally listed under “cults and sects” by the Southern Baptist Convention – the largest Protestant denomination in the nation – but was more recently categorised among “newly developed religions” on the North American Mission Board apologetics page.

Other bodies in the newly published top 25 largest churches list that reported membership increases include the Catholic Church with a 0.87 per cent increase; the Southern Baptist Convention with a 0.22 per cent increase; the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church with a 0.21 per cent rise; and the Assemblies of God with a 0.19 per cent growth.

The greatest losses in membership were reported by the Episcopal Church, which dropped 4.15 per cent in members, and the Presbyterian Church (USA), which decreased by 2.36 per cent. Both denominations are currently wracked by theological differences and the issue of homosexuality.

American Baptist Churches in the USA and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America also experienced large losses in membership, dropping 1.82 per cent and 1.58 per cent, respectively.

“Some will wish to argue that the slowing growth rate is evidence of an increasing secularisation of American postmodern society,” said the Rev Dr Eileen W Lindner, editor of the Yearbook. “While such an explanation will satisfy some, caution in drawing such a conclusion is warranted.”

Lindner also observed that churches are feeling the impact of the lifestyles of Millenials – people in their 20s and 30s – who attend church but resist becoming members.

The United Methodist Church saw a 0.99 per cent decrease but the mainline group remains the third largest church body with nearly 8 million members.

Only three of the top 10 largest churches are mainline Protestant churches; three of the top 25 are Pentecostal churches; and six of the top 15 are historic African American churches.

Largest 25 Churches (ranked by membership)

1. The Catholic Church – 67,515,016
2. Southern Baptist Convention – 16,306,246
3. The United Methodist Church – 7,995,456
4. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – 5,779,316
5. The Church of God in Christ – 5,499,875
6. National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc. – 5,000,000
7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America – 4,774,203
8. National Baptist Convention of America, Inc. – 3,500,000
9. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) – 3,025,740
10. Assemblies of God – 2,836,174
11. African Methodist Episcopal Church – 2,500,000
12. National Missionary Baptist Convention of America – 2,500,000
13. Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc. – 2,500,000
14. The Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod (LCMS) – 2,417,997
15. Episcopal Church – 2,154,572
16. Churches of Christ – 1,639,495
17. Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America – 1,500,000
18. Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Inc. – 1,500,000
19. The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church – 1,443,405
20. American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. – 1,371,278
21. United Church of Christ – 1,218,541
22. Baptist Bible Fellowship International – 1,200,000
23. Christian Churches and Churches of Christ – 1,071,616
24. The Orthodox Church in America – 1,064,000
25. Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1,069,530

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The Libertarian View Of Warfare According To The Book Of Mormon

Posted by Job on February 18, 2008

Please note: If I wanted to make stuff like this up I would not be able to.

From’s Open Letter To Mormons Regarding Ron Paul. Certainly he who taught that to inherit eternal life we must “love thy neighbor as thyself” would be deeply concerned with the destruction of life so rampant in the world today. Since we live in a time of “wars and rumors of wars,” it is of supreme importance that we gain gospel insight into the just causes for supporting war.

Much of the Book of Mormon is devoted to war, which was a continual plague in ancient America. When were the followers of Christ justified in taking part in this destruction of life? Alma 43:47 states “And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites (i.e. the followers of Christ) contending with the Lamanites (i.e. those who were attacking the Nephites), to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.” In Alma 48:14 we read “Now the Nephites were taught to defend themselves against their enemies, even to the shedding of blood if it were necessary; yea, and they were also taught never to give an offense, yea, and never to raise the sword except it were against an enemy, except it were to preserve their lives.” Thus, defense of rights was the only moral justification for war and the aggressive use of force was against the will of God. As followers of the “Prince of Peace,” we are still bound by these principles today.

This being said, should America continue the war in Iraq, attack Iran before they supposedly develop a nuclear weapon, and continue the ill-defined war on Terrorism? I submit to you that the answer is emphatically “NO.”

First of all, the war against Iraq is not defensive. For those who believe that the September 11th atrocities were an unprovoked attack by Muslim extremists, there is no proof that the prior Iraqi regime had anything to do with these attacks. Furthermore, the Iraqi government never directly attacked the United States of America. This is a preemptive war, which is the shedding of blood of those who have not given an offense, and is not justifiable before the Lord.

However, even if we suppose that the war in Iraq was defensive, the Iraqi government which “attacked” us no longer rules the country. Since the so-called offender has been eliminated, it follows that we are no longer defending ourselves against an enemy who gave the initial offense. The most benign reason for our continued waging of war in Iraq is to build a democratic government and bring stability to this region. This is not a moral basis for our continued bloodshed of the people in this region. If the French government had kept a military presence in the American states after the Revolutionary War, the patriots would have attacked them too.

The Book of Mormon provides us with the example of Captain Moroni, who was the great military leader of the Nephites during much of their warfare. After he had defeated a Lamanite army and the attacking king had been killed (effectively destroying the Lamanite government and bringing “instability” to the Lamanite people), Moroni did not lead an army down to the Lamanite lands to ensure the establishment of a democratic government which would be friendly to the Nephites. We are specifically told that immediately afterward he put his efforts toward preparing the Nephite lands against any future attacks (Alma 62:42). Allowing the defeated aggressors to sort out their own governmental affairs was clearly his policy. After Captain Moroni had repelled a prior attack, we read “And the armies of the Nephites, or of Moroni, returned and came to their houses and their lands” (Alma 44:22). We have no moral basis for remaining in Iraq to assist in the creation and stabilization of the new Iraqi government. We need to immediately cease the American slaughter of Iraqis and all others who have not attacked our own families, lands, rights, and religion.

The Book of Mormon also provides us with another clear admonition not to be the aggressors of war in 3 Nephi chapter 3. Just prior to this time, the Nephites very own government leaders had conspired together to violate the God-given rights of the individuals in the land (sounds familiar). The people eventually rose up and threw the oppressors, or Gadianton robbers as they were called, out of their land. The Gadianton robbers then proceeded to attack them from the outside “and did slay so many people, and did lay waste so many cities, and did spread so much death and carnage throughout the land” that the people decided to join together “to take up arms against them” (3 Nephi 2:11).

Initially the Nephites were able to ward off the attacks of the Gadianton robbers. However, after the Gadiantons had gained more strength, they sent a letter to the leader of the Nephites demanding surrender or the robbers would “let fall the sword upon you even until ye shall become extinct” (3 Nephi 3:8). At this point, the Nephites demanded of their leader, who we are told had the spirit of revelation, “Pray unto the Lord, and let us go up upon the mountains and into the wilderness, that we may fall upon the robbers and destroy them in their own lands” (3 Nephi 3:20). In today’s language, they wanted “to fight the terrorists over there so they would not come over here.” What was his answer? “The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together, and we will not go against them, but we will wait till they shall come against us; therefore as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them into our hands” (3 Nephi 3:21).

The Nephites, who were repeatedly attacked by the Gadiantons in the past and were directly and credibly threatened with aggression once again, were not justified by the Lord in going into the terrorists’ lands to attack. With this being understood, on what principled basis are we justified in preemptively attacking Iran or any other country that has not attacked us in the past nor threatened to make us extinct if we did not completely submit to them?

We have been warned, in the Book of Mormon as well as by modern-day church leaders, that the destruction of our society will be due to the corruption of our own government from within and not from a foreign enemy. James Madison gave us this same warning – “If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”

Fortunately during this election we have a good and honest man who would strictly follow the Constitution as President. As a congressman, Ron Paul has used the Constitution as his iron rod for 10 terms. As a presidential candidate, he has repeatedly stood by the Constitution in its entirety, even when those in the “great and spacious building” have continually mocked him for doing so. He is also the only candidate from both major parties who “renounce(s) war and proclaim(s) peace” (D&C 98:16). It is my hope that the LDS people will put their full support behind Ron Paul and valiantly defend their agency.

February 18, 2008

Jeremy Ashton [send him mail] is homeschooling father of two in Richmond, Virginia and a dedicated Ron Paulian.

Copyright © 2008

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Posted by Job on February 10, 2008

(My note: though he will not say it, it does appear that Bill Keller supports Kenneth Copeland John Hagee hugger Mike Huckabee and is at least in part angry at Dobson for not endorsing him sooner. Still, this is useful in learning about yet another group that funnels money to the religious right deception. It proves yet again that the Bible is right: the love of money is the root of all evil.)

Friday, Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family came out endorsing Mike Huckabee for
President. Let me tell you why: this was nothing but a calculated decision
on Dobson’s part to do damage control. Dobson, just a few days earlier had
stated that he could not vote for John McCain (because McCain had hurt his
feelings by not bowing to him over the years), but NEVER mentioned not
voting for Mitt Romney. As a matter of fact, throughout the past few
months, he denounced Rudy for his stand on killing babies, and rightly so,
but never once renounced Romney for being part of a satanic cult leading the
souls of men to hell. The reason is simple. Dobson has been in bed with
the Mormons through the World Council of Families, an ecumenical group
started and funded by the LDS cult, and no doubt sells lots of his family
books to Mormons who are very pro-family. It was only AFTER ROMNEY QUIT
that he endorsed Huckabee, the only candidate who clearly takes a stand for
Biblical values. What makes this endorsement a joke is that McCain has
virtually locked up the nomination. Dobson has cleverly gone on the record
at this late date supporting Huckabee since he is clearly the choice of most
Christians, in order to stay in the good graces of the people he needs to
support Focus on the Family. A hollow endorsement that is too late and
meaningless other than for damage control to keep him in the good graces of
the people who send in the millions he needs to run his organization.

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The Mormon Self – Victimization Goes Into Overdrive Over Mitt Romney

Posted by Job on February 8, 2008

In it Mormons complain “It forced Latter-day Saints to acknowledge that they don’t just belong to another American denomination!” This article is fascinating:

Now I was made aware by one of my books on Mormonism (Mormonism 101 by Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson of the Mormonism Research Ministry founded and run by former Mormons) that a major tactic of this false religion to retain its members is to cultivate a sense of victimization and persecution. That article above is a clear example of it. It takes the position that the sole reason why Mitt Romney lost was anti – Mormon bigotry. Contrast this with a more factual article that does not even begin to list all the problems that Romney had as a candidate that were made even worse by the many bad choices that he made in the campaign. And even if he had been a better candidate: so what? Strong candidates lose all the time. Bob Graham was the most qualified Democratic Presidential candidate since Harry Truman. Ever heard of him? Exactly. In 1996 the best GOP candidate was Phil Gramm, and the guy didn’t win a single state.

But alas, keeping their victimization cult alive to retain their members is what they do. Here is one blatant lie: “It’s OK to challenge our beliefs but no one wants to be treated like they’re weird” claims Nancy Dredge, publisher of a Mormon women’s magazine. Except that during the entire campaign, Mitt Romney and his many backers with their various religious and political motivations claimed challenging his beliefs was 1. anti – Mormon bigotry and 2. an unconstitutional religion test for public office. Now I can understand people who hold that not voting for him solely on the basis that he is a Mormon is hypocritical since Christians have no problem routinely voting for people that are not born – again. But Romney and his allies (not all of whom were Mormon, I have already pointed out that his earliest and most prominent enablers in this strategy were Roman Catholics) chose to try to force Protestant Christians to accept Mormonism as legitimate Christianity and brand them as both bigots and traitors to the cause of conservatism if they objected. If you believe that Mike Huckabee’s saying “don’t Mormons believe that Satan and Jesus are brothers” was wrong, then so was the Romney strategy of using the same thug pressure tactics of the radical left to silence everyone unwilling to accept their “if he says that Jesus is his savior then you need to HAVE him if not in the theological context then at least in the political one.” (By the way our experience with pro – abortion pro – homosexual pro – war pro – corporate welfare pro – state George Walker Bush and the even more problematic Mike Huckabee ought to show us that we should be no more blithely trusting or accepting of professed Protestant Christians that claim Jesus as their savior.) And in that was a strong undercurrent of resentment. They were exuding the attitude “Hey, racists sacrificed by accepting blacks, Roman Catholics sacrificed by accepting Protestants, why can’t Protestants sacrifice for the cause and accept Mormons?” Well, what white voter would accept a black candidate if he claimed to be white? What Roman Catholic voter would accept a Presbyterian candidate that claimed to be Roman Catholic?

Claiming that Protestants should have been willing to accept Romney’s claim that he was “a non – Catholic Christian just like them” just because racists were so graciously willing to accept blacks and Roman Catholics were so graciously willing to accept Protestants only shows their true attitudes towards blacks and Protestants. It shows that the racists REALLY don’t regard blacks as being equal or deserving of equal status and that Roman Catholics REALLY do not accept the legitimacy of Protestant Christianity, but are wearing a mask, maintaining a public facade in the interests of both the conservative movement and the larger national interest. Now I am not saying that if these folks ever get in power they will brutally repress blacks and Protestants, only that their words and behavior exposes the true contents of their hearts, and that is all the more reason why succumbing to the tactics of Romney and his backers would have been wrong, a betrayal of the truth of the Bible.

So, what we get is blatant lies like this: “As long as the Republican Party is primarily a party with an evangelical base, I don’t see how any Mormon could do any better than Romney,” said Alan Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College. “You can’t explain how a relatively competent, successful businessman and governor could do so badly in the Southern primaries without pointing to his Mormonism.” First of all, the Republican Party does not have a primarily evangelical base. Evangelicals make up at best 25% of the Republican Party. Second, is Mitt Romney the first successful businessman and governor ever to fail in a Presidential run? Or even for Senate? Dan Quayle, a former senator and vice President, couldn’t even get elected governor of Arizona! Third: Mitt Romney didn’t only have problems in the south. People, the guy only won 7 states: 3 of them (Michigan, Massachusetts, Utah) he was the home state candidate, and most of the rest were caucus states that he bought using his organization. But Iowa and the south are the only states were Mormons can blame his losses on evangelicals, and evangelicals are the only group that Mormons can play the bigotry card against, so they are using it.

And when I say “play” I am serious. Go back to Wolfe’s statement “as long as the Republican Party is a party with primarily an evangelical base.” For quite awhile, I have seen Mormon blogs not so subtly suggest that the GOP dump the evangelicals in favor of a Mormon – Roman Catholic alliance. By holding a prominent position at Roman Catholic Boston College, which has the distinction of being the only major conservative Roman Catholic university left after Notre Dame, Georgetown, Catholic University, etc. have gone liberal in recent decades, Wolfe is precisely the sort that could work to make such a thing happen. Now were I still a Republican, I would care a lot more about such talk. As it happens, I am only keeping an eye on it because of the implications on where our country is going. The Democratic Party is what it is, and so if the GOP becomes the Roman Catholic – Mormon party (with just enough evangelical useful idiots to make it electable) well maybe that would have the positive effect of opening a lot of Christian eyes as to where they should store their hope and treasure.

Back to “It forced Latter-day Saints to acknowledge that they don’t just belong to another American denomination.” Add that to “I don’t see how any Mormon could do any better than Romney.” What do you get? That even the most regrettable rhetoric from the publicity – seeking grandstanders was still correct: Romney was running as the representative of his faith not only to promote it but to promote it as Christianity, and that their many vehement denials were simply LIES. I suppose that by pointing that out I am an anti – Mormon bigot, because the various pro – Romney blogs have all coordinated amongst themselves (and almost certainly with the Romney campaign) to contrive the notion that “flip – flop” is an anti – Mormon code word because of the false “Mormons lie” charge embedded in the evangelical mindset due to their negative interactions with a few poorly trained Mormon missionaries, and that a recent Vanderbilt study proves it. Trust me, I am not making this up, and it reached the point where even some of the non – Mormon political outlets were repeating the “flip – flop equals evangelical anti – Mormon bigotry” line. It had just started to catch on, and had Romney done well enough on Super Tuesday to remain in the race, you’d be hearing a lot more of it, no so much because non – Mormons actually believe it, but because they were grasping onto any reason they could to justify not holding Romney’s politically timed and untested transformation from RINO to Reagan Republican against him. Desperate times call for desperate measures!

But the key thing to take from that Salt Lake Tribune article were the not – so – subtle hints that Mormons are now going to shift gears and use different tactics in the future, and not just in politics. Whatever those tactics are, they are going to be very aggressive and not only in the political and religious spheres, but also in the secular mainstream. As an increasing number of folks are finding Mormons preferable to Christians for a variety of reasons (there were TONS of “I would personally rather live next to or hire a Mormon than an evangelical” types of comments circulating out there), so I am of the opinion that they are going to be rather effective. Whatever they are, Christians are going to have to be ready for it.

We have to recognize how much success the Mormons have already had. Mormons are only a tiny percentage of the population: 7 million of the 300 million Americans. Yet they are heavily disproportionately represented in some highly visible (business, entertainment, media, sports, academia, politics) and have had a huge impact on our culture. And realize that they are just getting started. Incidentally, for you evangelical Reagan supporters, two Mormons served in his cabinet. One, the convert from Roman Catholicism Bay Buchanan (the sister of ardent segregationist racist Pat Buchanan!) was one of two Mormon Treasury secretaries that we had (the other, Ivy Priest, served under Eisenhower) AND DID SO AT THE AGE OF THIRTY – TWO. The other was secretary of Education Terrell Bell.

Now I had always felt that Reagan did more for the Roman Catholics than he did for evangelicals. Now you can add Mormons to that list. So evangelicals, what do you think of Ronald Reagan and your religious right now?

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Mormon Mitt Romney Is Rick Warren Appreciator!

Posted by Job on February 7, 2008

You see folks, that is what false Christianity that does not have Jesus Christ at its center – or does not accurately represent who Jesus Christ is, which is to quote Thomas “Our LORD and our GOD” – results in: a meaningless false faith whose language can be co – opted by any apostate heretic to use for his own ends. Christians who like to shy away from things like sovereignty, judgment, and blood redemption because they are considered barbarous by the world and instead like to speak of your “faith” using abstractions, platitudes, and generalities remember this: Adolph Hitler espoused Christian family values too. The link below contains this quote from Romney:

Americans love God, and those who don’t have faith , typically
believe in something greater than themselves – a ‘Purpose Driven Life.’

The Christianity that we are called to speak of and live should be that which neither the Mitt Romneys nor the Mike Huckabees can co – opt for their own purposes. The best part is, though, that Romney seems to be stating that what passes for popular Christian faith today is actually no faith at all. Whether you are a values Christian, a oneness Christian, a cultural Christian, a New Age spirituality Christian, an emergent Christian, a prosperity/Word of Faith Christian, it is all the same: lukewarm worldliness. Well on judgment day, Jesus Christ is going to spue you out of His mouth and into the lake of fire, which trust me will not be lukewarm.

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Posted by Job on February 6, 2008

I first saw this here but it was confirmed in this devotional as well. Man oh man, I love this election season. So many prominent Christian leaders in the limelight are being exposed for what they are. From the people backing Huckabee despite knowing his connections to the Council on Foreign Relations and to apostates like Kenneth Copeland and John Hagee to Pat Robertson backing Giuliani to the MANY evangelicals and even some fundamentalists backing Mormon Mitt Romney to Donnie McClurkin and many other leading black Christians backing Barack HUSSEIN Obama (here, here, here, here, here, here) well the Lord is exposing for the whole world to see what these prominent Christians are really about and after – the things of this world.Christians, is this the falling away of the American church? If so, make sure that you are not part of that falling away. In a sense, things have been this bad for quite awhile, because the fact that Martin Luther King, Jr. was no better than a Mormon because he did not believe in the deity or resurrection of Jesus Christ despite it being commonly reported … so many people do not know because they do not care to know. And never forget: King’s rise was due to so many alleged Christians, many of them evangelicals and fundamentalists, supporting segregation and racism! Still, I regularly ask some older (than me) Christians have things always been this bad, and even the ones that personally experienced segregation and poverty say without hesitation “No, it wasn’t.”

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“The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the
shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign
LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!
Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe
yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not
take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the
sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or
searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. So they
were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered
they became food for all the wild animals. My sheep wandered over all the
mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth,
and no one searched or looked for them.” Ezekiel 34:1-6

A sad commentary on so many pastors and Christian leaders right from God’s
Word. Last week I was doing some study in the Book of Ezekiel. In reading
through some passages, I came across these first 6 verses in Ezekiel 34. As
I read these words, I could only think that this was the sad description of
so many pastors and Christian leaders today. 50 years ago, you could sit in
the pew of most any church of any denomination and hear the Truth of God’s
Word. Those pastors and the men and women God raised up on the national
scene were men and women who would never compromise the Truth of the Bible
and understood their only mission was to bring the lost to Christ.

Fast forward to the year 2008 and you have entire denominations of pastors
who don’t even preach, teach or believe the Bible. It is questionable if
many pastors were ever “called” and are even saved. Those who have risen up
into national prominence are more worried about selling books, having the
newest private jet, building bigger buildings, and living like the rulers of
small nations rather than preaching the unadulterated Truth of the Bible and
leading the lost to faith in Jesus Christ. My goodness, you now have
so-called Christian leaders who are endorsing and working for the member of
a satanic cult to become our next President!!!

When these are the men and women leading the people, why are we surprised
that many who sit in the pews of the nations churches on Sunday aren’t even
saved, don’t accept the Bible as Absolute Truth and our only authority, and
the majority of the ones who do lead weak and ineffective lives. That is
why I encourage people all the time to seek out a pastor who is a true
shepherd. That is increasingly difficult today, but there are still many
men of God who have not bowed their knee to Baal and are not the shepherds
described in Ezekiel 34. Sunday is the day most Christians go to church. It
is the only time most of you ever see your pastor, and that is usually from
your seat in the sanctuary as he leads the worship service and preaches the

Having preached in over 500 churches of every denomination nationwide, I can
honestly tell you that for most pastors, Sunday morning is their favorite
day of the week and the one day they usually feel their work for God really
has some meaning. You can never know the pressure most pastors are under. If
it was only getting up on Sunday morning and being the “man of God” it would
be wonderful, but that is not reality. It is a 7-day a week, 24-hour a day
calling. Many have outside jobs. There is the constant pressures of raising
the budget, dealing with the interpersonal problems that always exist when
you have a group of people, overseeing the political infighting that often
occurs, on top of the spiritual requirements of shepherding the flock,
having an anointed word each week for the various services, and other
requirements the office of pastor carries with it.

My prayer for you today is to support your pastor. Pray for your pastor each
day. John 10 gives us the picture of the ideal pastor. Pray that your pastor
will be able to tear away from the distractions of this world to be the
shepherd described in John 10. God has placed that pastor in your life to
guide you, spiritually nurture you, and have spiritual leadership over your
life. Do all you can to show your love and appreciation for all your pastor
does for you, most of which you may not even recognize. Also, God has placed
your pastor in your life for spiritual leadership. When you come into times
of crisis, don’t hesitate to go to your pastor. That is ultimately why they
are there, to help you and guide you through those difficult times in your

I love you and care about you so much. I pray for you daily. Sadly, today
there are too many pastors and Christian leaders who fall into the
description found in Ezekiel 34. It makes the work that much more difficult
when you have people running around calling themselves Christians, but
supporting sins like abortion, homosexuality, the destruction of God’s plan
fo the family. You have others who think there is nothing wrong with
belonging to a cult or false religions and they have bought the
universalistic lie from hell that everyone will get to Heaven.

Let this message today be a remember to lift up your pastor in prayer and
recognize him for all he does for your life. God has called His sheep to be
obedient and obey those in spiritual authority. Take inventory and see if
you are fulfilling this admonition, and ask God to help you. He loves you so
much, that he has placed your pastor in your life to shepherd you and guide
you in your spiritual journey. Show your love for Him today by praying for
and supporting your pastor.

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller

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Map Of TheUnited States By Christian Denomination

Posted by Job on February 4, 2008

churchmapusa2000.gifFrom Reformation Nation by way of Slice of Laodicea: Where do you fit in? By the way: yet another concern that calls Mormonism a Christian denomination.

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