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How To Deal With Jehovah’s Witnesses

Posted by Job on October 2, 2008

From Fancied Freedom. Part 1

How to know you’re talking to a Jehovah’s Witness

It’s quite simple, actually. If you are asked whether you read the Bible, and you reply by saying, “Yes, I am Christian,” and the person kindly ignores you but proceeds to hand you literature on how to know what the Bible says, you are talking to a Jehovah’s Witness.

That was my experience today, as I got out of my car and got my son out of his car seat, and tried to make my way inside the house to eat lunch. Two women walk up to me from their parked car across the street and begin speaking with me about some home Bible studies they lead. And then the conversation continues with me receiving a “biblical” education even though I had already stated that I read the Bible. Perhaps I should’ve been more clear, maybe saying that I “religiously” read the Bible and know “exactly” what it says about suffering, sin and salvation. (Well, I don’t know it all but I know what’s necessary.)

In any event, I was completely dumbfounded the rest of the afternoon at how she just ignored the fact that I read the Bible. Did that not even matter? Usually when I meet someone and find out they are Christian, I’m really excited because we have Christ in common. However, that was not the case today, because I had nothing in common with this woman. She doesn’t know Christ – she knows a false christ as part of a false religion. Therefore, I shall pray for her, and for my response if she decides to return with more propaganda. Since I believe in a Sovereign God, I believe there are no coincidences and there could possibly be a chance to show her the true Christ.

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Part 2


Approached by the Jehovah’s Witness again

You may remember a previous post about an impromptu meeting with two Jehovah’s Witnesses. I was approached at home as I was unloading my car. Even though I told the kind ladies that I am Christian and do read the Bible, they proceeded to hand me their literature. My husband threw it away.

So, today, as I’m in the middle of trying to feed my son lunch, a knock at the door interrupts me. Looking through the peephole, I recognize that my visitor is none other than one of the Jehovah’s Witnesses that greeted me a week ago. Hesitantly, I opened the door and our conversation began.

She asked if I read through the materials she handed me and I said I did but explained that I am born again, go to a Christian, Bible-based church and do not believe what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe (they don’t believe in the deity of Christ or His physical resurrection.) In a somewhat defensive tone, she told me that even though I am not the same religion, we have God in common and it doesn’t mean we can’t talk.

I never said we couldn’t talk – she didn’t listen to me and I explained to her that I would be glad to talk with her, that I do talk to people of other faiths. But that I profess Jesus Christ as my Savior and read my Bible and go to my church and that I do not believe what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe so I did not need her literature. Again, she said there is no reason why we can’t talk. She proceeded to show me some Bible verses (in her Bible) and asked me questions about the sinfulness of man and God’s Kingdom.

By this time, my son was screaming for his lunch so I kindly explained that I needed to go and tend to my godly duties of caring for my son and she thanked me for my time. I’m not sure if she’ll be back but I certainly need to be better prepared and maybe even ask her some questions.

Again, my explanation of my faith fell on deaf ears. It was even funnier (is that a word?) how she thought I had said I couldn’t talk to her when I actually had said I am born again and go to a Christian church. The things we “think” we hear when we’re not listening.

Need to know how to respond to a JW? Here’s a good Web site.


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Jehovah’s Witnesses Videos

Posted by Job on January 6, 2008

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O Magnum Mysterium 3: Word of the Father Now in Flesh Appearing

Posted by Job on January 1, 2008

From Sharper Iron. Read Part 1 and Part 2.

If Jesus Christ were not truly and perfectly God, He could not be our mediator. If Jesus Christ were not truly and perfectly human, He could not be our mediator. This much, Scripture makes clear. Our problem is that we have absolutely no experience with divine-human beings other than Jesus Christ. He is absolutely unique, the only one of His kind. For that reason, Christians have struggled to find words to express just who Jesus is.

With the Athanasian Creed we affirm that, as to their deity, the Father and Son are equally glorious, eternal, uncreated, incomprehensible, and almighty. Yet they are not two Gods, but one. So we confess. Nevertheless, we also confess that we do not comprehend what we affirm. While the relationship of the Father to the Son involves no logical contradiction, it is inexplicable and impenetrable to the human mind. It rises above reason. We do not understand how such a thing can be.

Already bewildered, we then encounter the full humanity of the Son. Here we discover a person who, as to His deity, is coequal, coeternal, and consubstantial with God the Father, but who, without ceasing to be fully God, also becomes fully human. We are asked to believe that a person who is equal with God is also one of us.

Not everyone agrees. Often, people reject what they cannot explain. Worse yet, they modify the truth to fit some human explanation. So they have done with the person of Christ. Some have denied His full deity. Ebionites saw Jesus as a good man, a teacher, and a prophet who kept the law. Arians explained Jesus as God’s first creation, so highly exalted above others that He could be called “a god,” but who was still not properly “God.” Adoptionists (Dynamic Monarchians) understood Jesus as a human who was elevated to divine status by some act of God.

Some have denied the distinction of the Son from the Father. The Sabellians (Modalistic Monarchians) affirmed that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were simply three modes in which God presented Himself and not actual personal distinctions. As the same man might appear as husband to his wife, as teacher to his students, and as peer to his fellows, God presented Himself at one time as Father, at another as Son, and at another as Holy Spirit. Ultimately, however, the Trinity is a mask, and God is one and only one person.

Others have denied Jesus’ complete humanity. Docetists believed that the human body of Jesus was a mere phantom projected by the divine Christ. Apollinarians taught that Jesus possessed a human body and soul, but that the place of the rational, human spirit was taken by the divine Logos (in other words, Christ was 3/3 divine but only 2/3 human). Eutychians affirmed complete divine and human natures but saw the human nature as so recessive as to be almost completely overwhelmed by the divine—rather like a drop of honey in an ocean of water. Still others have rejected the integrity of the person of Jesus Christ. Cerinthians believed that the divine Christ descended upon the human Jesus, only to abandon Him before the cross. Nestorians affirmed the full deity and full humanity of Christ but divided those two natures into two distinct persons, joined rather like Siamese twins.

The equal and opposite reaction was for others to affirm the unity of the person by denying the distinctiveness of the natures. Monophysites collapsed the divinity and humanity of Christ into a single nature. In principle this nature was supposed to be both divine and human, but in practice the divine so overwhelmed the human that Monophysitism became a reaffirmation of Eutychianism. A more subtle form of denying the distinction between the natures is Monothelitism, which denies that Jesus had a human will. De facto, this belief is a denial of the completeness of the human nature of Jesus.

These are not merely ancient heresies. They have had a tendency to reappear throughout church history. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are unreconstructed Arians. Mormonism applies Adoptionist principles, not only to Christ, but to all humanity. Many liberals have regarded Jesus simply as a human teacher or prophet, and contemporary biblical scholarship is witnessing a resurgence of interest in Gnostic understandings of Christ. Modalistic Monarchianism shows up in the teachings both of Witness Lee and of the so-called “Jesus Only Movement,” represented by the United Pentecostal Church. The Coptic Orthodox Church still defends Monophysitism and condemns the Council of Chalcedon as “divisive.”

Our understanding of the person of Christ has been hammered out in opposition to these heresies. Each new heretical theory forced Christians to return to the Scriptures in order to test the theory against the text. At each new controversy, Christians erected a new barrier against heresy. They were forced to say, “Scripture teaches this but not that. We may say it this way but not that way.” This process resulted in the adoption of several public summary statements, each of which was more specific than the one that preceded it.

At the end of the day, here is what we must affirm. If Jesus Christ were not true God, He could not be our savior. If Jesus Christ were not true human, He could not be our savior. If Jesus Christ were not one person, he could not be our savior. If the person of Christ were divided, then He could not be our savior. If the natures were combined or transmuted, then He could not be our savior. All of this belief is summarized and elaborated in the formula of Chalcedon.

Nothing is more important to Christianity than the incarnation of Jesus Christ. A false step here can lead us to deny the gospel and plunge us into apostasy. We learn about the old heresies so that we may confront the new ones. We confront the new ones so that we may keep the gospel pure. We aim for precision in our understanding of Jesus Christ so that we may trust Him and worship Him as He is, rather than worshiping a false Jesus whom we have manufactured in our own idolatrous hearts.

In one sense, we are indebted to the heretics. Everything that we need to know about Jesus Christ is in the text of Scripture. If we had not been challenged by the heretics, however, we never would have studied the Scriptures as they deserved to be studied. We never would have noticed the depth and texture and richness of the biblical teaching concerning the incarnation. The heretics have forced us to discover exactly what Scripture says and what it forbids us to say.

We cannot explain the incarnation. We cannot fully comprehend the notion of a theanthropic person. But we can learn to be precise in saying who He is and who He is not. We can know Him. We can trust Him. We can love Him. We can worship Him. Word of the Father, now in flesh appearing: O come, let us adore Him, Christ the Lord.

Christmas Carols Christina Rossetti (1830-1894)

Lo! Newborn Jesus
Soft and weak and small,
Wrapped in baby’s bands
By His Mother’s hands,
Lord God of all.

Lord God of Mary,
Whom His Lips caress
While He rocks to rest
On her milky breast
In helplessness.

Lord God of shepherds
Flocking through the cold.
Flocking through the dark
To the only Ark,
The only Fold.

Lord God of all things
Be they near or far,
Be they high or low;
Lord of storm and snow,
Angel and star.

Lord God of all men,—
My Lord and my God!
Thou who lovest me,
Keep me close to Thee
By staff and rod.

Lo! newborn Jesus
Loving great and small,
Love’s free Sacrifice,
Opening Arms and Eyes
To one and all.

This essay is by Dr. Kevin T. Bauder, president of Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Plymouth, MN).

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How The Oneness Pentecostal Jesus Only Doctrine Was Originally Justified

Posted by Job on December 1, 2007

Background information: my wife reports that while driving recently she was listening to a local religious call – in show on a gospel radio station. A caller, a recently saved fellow, told the pastor answering questions that he had just started attending a church whose pastor told him that he needed to be baptized in the name of Jesus only. He said that he related that information to his wife, who told him that he had to be baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The call – in show pastor told the fellow that he should not listen to his wife, but rather the pastor, that he should be baptized in the name of Jesus only. This pastor then asserted “the Name Father, Son, and Holy Spirit has no power.”

First off, the claims by the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus only folks, etc. that the original apostolic doctrines were discarded and that their group is the true church restoring the true faith … well they have been around for awhile. The first known group to make this claim were the “adoptionists”, who claimed that Jesus Christ was born a mere man (though supremely virtuous), received God’s “anointing” at baptism, and did not reach divine status until His resurrection. This doctrine originated in 190 AD, and within a few decades  its followers started claiming that their doctrine was the original doctrine first given to universally accepted by the church until it was changed when the church was led by Zephyrinus, the bishop of Rome from 198 AD to 217 AD. Fortunately there were still people around that were alive before Zephyrinus became bishop of Rome to refute their lies, and further Hippolytus was easily able to trace documents, doctrines, and teachers into the first century, which was the apostolic era itself. So the same lies that Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith, and the neo – gnostics like Elaine Pagels and Dan Brown are currently pushing

Second, the notion that Jesus Christ and Michael the archangel were one and the same did not originate with Ellen G. White of the Seventh Day Adventist denomination. Instead, it was first proposed in a crude form by second century figure Hermas. The source of Hermas’ confusion on this matter seems to be that put the Holy Spirit in the place of Jesus Christ in his Similitudes writings. Also in those writings he described a council of six angels, with Michael as the lead, who were called most venerable, holy, and glorious, and were also were given supreme power over the people of God, to pronounce judgment, etc.

Third, the original Jesus only oneness pentecostal, a late second – early third century figure named Noetus, who along with his followers justified their doctrines by rejecting John 1:1-18 by refusing to interpret it literally. In those days, it was a common practice to resort to an “allegorical” or “spiritual” interpretation of scripture whenever one encountered something that they did not want to believe or obey. It was most commonly used to A) discard things in scripture that did not conform to the Hellenistic mindset and B) bash Jews, which appears to have been a beloved pasttime of the early church after the Jewish Christian – Gentile Christian schism. But of course allegorizing and outright taking things out of context was also broadly used by heretics, as it was in this case. Please keep in mind that the views of Noetus actually predated the Council of Nicea by 100 years and the Council of Constantinople, where the full Trinity doctrine was adopted, by over 150 years. Despite what the oneness crowd claims, “Jesus only” and similar was not the doctrine being debated at Nicea and Constantinople, but rather Arianism, which rejected both Christianity and oneness by claiming that Jesus Christ was a created being that was not divine. The Trinity doctrine, then, was fully articulated as a response to Jehovah’s Witness – ism, not modalism, which had been rejected over 100 years earlier. Please consider that it was in response to the teachings of Noetus that Tertullian became the first to refer God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as “Persons”, and the document in which he did so was produced in 213 AD. Not that Tertullian was an innovator, but rather built on the writings of Irenaeus, and he on other church leaders.

Oh yes, and as to the claim that the early church baptized in the name of Jesus only, the Didache (the Teachings of The Twelve Apostles), which was written as early as 140 AD, says otherwise. So do the writings of Theophilus, who was born around 115 AD and became bishop of Antioch in 169 AD.  Not coincidentally, this same Theophilus is considered the first person to use the word “Trinity.”

Source: Early Christian Doctrines by J.N.D. Kelly.

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Interesting That Athanasius Is Not Studied During Black History Month

Posted by Job on December 1, 2007

Athanasius, called “the black dwarf” by his heretic opponents, is considered by some the one who saved Christianity when Constantine converted to the Arianism heresy (very similar to what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe) and began persecuting Trinitarian Christians. In contrast to the much better known Augustine, Athanasius was never considered a great intellect. He also was not regarded as a great orator, writer, or politician. So how, then, did he prevail against the might of the Roman Empire? By remaining obedient to the example of Jesus Christ and being a humble, pious man of the people who always sacrificed (to the point of having to hide as a fugitive in the desert among the monks, with whom he was very popular and trusted and as such helped hide him from the Roman authorities), never compromised, and never sought the favor of the wealthy or powerful elites in the church or government. It is fitting that Athanasius, whose entire career was one of battle, striving, and struggle, did not live to see the victory that he strove for: the final rejection of the many various heresies and formal adoption of the Trinity formula in its present form. Instead, that battle was won by three members of his beloved monk community: Gregory of Nazianzus, Gregory of Nyssa, and Basil shortly after his death. I believe that it is because it was not the Will of God for the man who spent his life battling an institutional imperial state church to receive validation from that same entity. Rather, Athanasius lived and died according to Acts 5:29b: We ought to obey God rather than men.

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The Spurious Glitter Of Pantheism

Posted by Job on November 9, 2007

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Jehovah’s Witness Dies After Refusing Blood Transfusion During Childbirth

Posted by Job on November 6, 2007

LONDON – Jehovah’s Witnesses said on Monday they are concerned for the family of a young mother who died after giving birth to twins because her faith prevented her from accepting a blood transfusion. Media reports said Emma Gough, 22, from Telford, Shropshire, gave birth to a baby boy and girl at the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital on Oct. 25.

But complications set in after she suffered severe blood loss and she died hours later. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the Bible prohibits the accepting of blood and that it is a sin to do so. Followers are advised to make clear to hospital staff before any operation that they do not want a transfusion, and to sign a medical directive card making clear their choice. Tom Taylor, chief executive of the Shrewsbury and Telford NHS Trust, said in a statement: “We have offered our deepest condolences to the family, and our thoughts are with them at this difficult time.”

Terry Lovejoy, spokesman for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Telford, told Reuters: “We are very concerned for the family at a time of grief for them.”He said he did not want to comment further until the full facts had emerged and a hospital review had taken place. Newspapers said Gough’s husband Anthony, 24, is caring for the twins.

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The State Of Christianity VI: A Messianic Jew Comments On The Church

Posted by Job on October 1, 2007

 From Randy Weiss of, who can be reached at

As a Jewish believer, I have a commentary to share about Christian America. It seems to me that churches, and the Christians they house, have become a dime a dozen? The Church is to be God’s vehicle for change in this world. Christianity is to be the salt and light of a tasteless darkened world. Instead, it seems that we have been dulled by compromise and dimmed by confusion. Churches seem to exist on every corner, but those who attend often seem to have too much in common with the world.

Is this right? We preach Christ, and therefore offer hope–the most valuable commodity on earth, yet, many churchesexhibit death instead of life; darkness instead of daylight. Mausoleums of faith do not spawn life. They merely house the dead.

Undoubtedly, the true Body of Christ is alive and pure and awaiting Christ’s return but often, it seems that God’s remnant is well hidden from our culture. Lights under a bushel I guess. Even our revivals seem to proliferate without any power to penetrate. Unfortunately, when it comes to actually being engaged in revival, after all is said and done,there is still more said than done. Even revivals have been marked down to a dime a dozen. Revivals aremarketed like sporting events, promoted like rock concerts, and visited like religious shrines where celebrities are exalted and their magic charms sold to Christian consumers.

Remember, only dead things need revival. Until we realize how dead we are, we will not be poised for the change from death to life. True revival will not come until we reach the end of ourselves. If we can reach death to ourselves, we will attain life in Christ. At that point, we can be used of God. Maybe, if He chooses, God will then revive the Church in our days. But the indications suggest that secular society is winning the culture war. The world is determining the standards by which the Church should live instead of the other way around.

According to the name game mentioned earlier, world revival seems to be happening for the Moslems. Many
will agree that they have assumed the prestigious title of the fastest growing religion on earth. That is why
around the globe, you are more likely to run into a little Mohammed than anyone else. I mean no disrespect
when I say this. The Moslems are doing a better job of spreading their gospel than the Church. On a per person basis, I think I can safely say that even the Mormons and the Jehovah’s Witnesses have more missionaries and soul-winners – or losers, depending on your perspective – than mainline Christian denominations.

Why is that? Do the cults have more truth? Of course not. Do false religions deserve more adherents because they are more committed than Christians? I hope not. Do they have more power from their master than we do from ours? Our God is Lord of all so there can be no more powerful force anywhere. Do they have more love for their falsehoods than we have for God’s truth? God forbid, but could it be? Let me submit a radical idea for your consideration. I think that the people of God have been infected with greed, lust, pride, and all manner of
deception and evil. Sin is in the camp of God’s people today, and surely, judgment is coming. Listen
friend, the Church must share God’s love with whores and whoremongers, but we must stop ordaining them to
leadership, and allowing them to remain in positions of authority and influence when discovered.

The Church must be a beacon of love and tolerance to adulterers and sodomites, but we cannot allow them to remain hidden behind our pulpits or stumblingblocks on our deacon boards. Yes, we are saved by faith from every form of evil behavior, but not to return to that evil behavior as dogs to vomit. I rejoice in the fact that
grace does free us from our past, and I understand that we cannot attain God’s love through merit. It is
clear that with Paul, we must ?conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law?
(Rom. 3:28). But that doesn’t allow us to break the law and exalt sin. Paul rightly asked and answered the
rhetorical question, ?Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law?
(Rom. 3:31). OK, now I want to give you another of my opinions.

I will shock many of my friends, and delight some of my enemies, but I want to talk about homosexuality. I’m not into gay-bashing! I don’t think we should discriminate against homosexuals. If the truth be known, it seems rather unchristian. One time, I was at a conference of Christian radicals where they were passing out bumper stickers with the ghostbuster symbol saying “No Homos.” Personally, I found it to be a bit distasteful. One of the participants was bragging about his exploits at a gay parade where he snuck around plastering his
bumperstickers on nearby cars. Of course, we should stand for righteousness but evangelism carries a higher
call than unwanted bumper stickers.

Now please don’t misinterpret what I am saying. I don’t want homosexuals running boy scout camps, coaching 7th grade sports programs, or supplying soap to the gym showers, but they have the right to earn a living and not be harassed for their uninformed choices. They’re pagans, what can you expect of a pagan? Here is the real question? Is homosexuality more disgraceful than other sexual sins? Personally, I reject the contrived hierarchy of sexual sins that some Christians have fabricated. The fornicator is not better than the
adulterer. And the adulterer does not have a higher status than the sodomite or the lesbian. Someday, they
will all live together. They will all inhabit the pit of Hell if not redeemed. Is it right to present the homosexual as a worse pervert than any other pervert? Who can say that it is less sinful for a Christian man to sleep with a woman to whom he is not married than it is for an unchristian man to sleep with another man? That is silly. The number of shattered lives among children from marriages broken by adultery outrank the broken lives of offspring from homosexual unions? NO! I don’t have statistics. But I think you can take my word for that one.

I have a friend who likes to say that “Idiots beget idiots.” Well, at leasthomosexuals don’t beget much. Sexual sin, be it adultery or homosexuality is damnable, unless Christ comes to the rescue. Adultery depreciates God’s plan for the family. It destroys the lives of husbands,wives, and the children wrecked by loose zippers and short dresses.

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How To Evangelize A Jehovah’s Witness

Posted by Job on September 12, 2007

Note this very common argument used by a Jehovah’s Witness user delt01 on Youtube where I found this video to defend his false beliefs is the same that I get from ONENESS PENTECOSTALS (and Mormons) all the time:

“The divinity of Christ, and whether it’s the archangel who was born as Jesus, is just beyond human understanding. Arguing about it is pointless, and just leads to conflicts and fighting. I seriously doubt you will be cast off from God for lacking the ability to understand, much less burn in a hell of fire and suffering for all eternity. There. Everyone happy?”

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Who Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Say Jesus Christ Is?

Posted by Job on September 12, 2007

From My Jehovah’s Witness Video on Youtube created by

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Juanita Bynum At Barack HUSSEIN Obama Fundraiser Held By New Age Witch Oprah Winfrey?

Posted by Job on September 7, 2007

I must ask: have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If not, follow this link: The Three Step Salvation Plan

See it here!

So here you have a woman raised in and representing Pentecostal/charismatic Christianity speaking at a fundraiser to support the ambitions of one such as Obama who supports abortion, homosexuality, and a number of other abominations? At an event hosted by the best known proponent of the New Age false religion in America (yes, Barbra Streisand, Oprah has surpassed you, and what makes her worse than you is that Oprah promotes mixing New Age and Christianity … after all, she and Barack Obama are both members of the same “church”)? See Is Oprah Winfrey’s New Age “The Secret” The Same As Word – Faith Prosperity? It just shows you that the Bible is true yet again: Amos 3:3 says “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?“ So you supporters of Juanita Bynum and all of these other false preachers when there are so many good hard working legitimate preachers out there … who are YOU walking in agreement with? I will say this: someone who thinks so little of you that they are so bold enough to lie to you on worldwide CHRISTIAN television while knowing full well that her lies will be exposed: Juanita Bynum Lies On TBN! Oh yes, and how that “Christian” TV station TBN just sat back and allowed her to lie like that unchallenged because she is one of their top moneymakers? It is time to stop walking in agreement too. We really do need to consider contacting the legitimate ministries that appear on this network and urge them to stop giving legitimacy – and money – to these people. You would have hoped that they would have done so after Paul Crouch personally endorsed ‘ heretical dual covenant theology: that Islam is just as legitimate as Christianity, but maybe they need some action by the rank and file faithful first. What do you think? And do you think that contacting the legitimate preachers on TBN to ask them to disassociate themselves from these evil people would be effective or worthwhile?

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Rev. Gary Simons High Point Church Was RIGHT Not To Host Funeral For Homosexual

Posted by Job on September 2, 2007

In my zeal not to come down on the side of legalism or hypocrisy (and also my lack of knowledge of the details of the case) I actually initially opposed the stance of High Point Church of Dallas, Texas, though I did not see fit to write about it. Fortunately, Brother Laz did address it and set me straight on the issue in these two posts:

Church Weddings and a Funeral

Joel Osteen wavers, his Brother-in-Law doesn’t

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John Amaechi Comes Out Of The Closet

Posted by Job on August 20, 2007

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One former NBA player “comes out,” another former NBA star comments, and a
national debate on homosexuality ensues!  A retired journeyman NBA player,
John Amaechi, told the world a few months ago that he was “gay.”  Of course,
it is no surprise this big announcement coincided with the release of a book
he had written about choosing to engage in homosexual acts and playing in
the NBA.  Guess it didn’t make sense to make such an announcement until he
could profit off of his choice to engage in deviant and unnatural sex.

In the wake of Amaechi’s announcement, came the comments of another former
NBA player, a true superstar in the league for many years, Tim Hardaway.
Hardaway, a former player for the Golden State Warriors and Miami Heat, was
being interviewed by a local Miami sports radio host, Dan LeBatard, who is
also a columnist for the Miami Herald and writer for  It is
important to note LeBatard’s affiliation with ESPN since it is ESPN who is
the publisher of Amaechi’s book.

In the interview, LeBatard asked Hardaway how he would feel having a
teammate who was “gay.”  Hardaway stated, “First of all, I wouldn’t want
him on my team. And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know,
really distance myself from him because, uh, I don’t think that’s right. And
you know I don’t think he should be in the locker room while we’re in the
locker room. I wouldn’t even be a part of that.  You know, I hate gay
people, so I let it be known. I don’t like gay people and I don’t like to be
around gay people. I am homophobic. I don’t like it.  It shouldn’t be in
the world or in the United States.”

As soon as Amaechi made his big announcement, ESPN began asking every person
affiliated with the NBA they interviewed their thoughts and comments on this
issue.  Everyone was very careful to give the typical cliched, politically
correct answers.  However, it was only a matter of time before they found
someone to go off script and give them something “hot” that would help their
book sales and Hardaway was that someone.

I don’t want to get into the whole issue of professional athletes who choose
to commit homosexual acts and all of the ramifications of having an openly
homosexual on a pro sports team.  Let the sports columnists pontificate on
that aspect.  I do want to look at what Hardaway said, and more importantly,
look at the incredible national debate that ensued over the whole issue of
homosexuality in general.

Hardaway foolishly gave LeBatard and ESPN exactly what they wanted, his
honest opinion on having a teammate who engaged in homosexual acts.  No
doubt they are the same sentiments of the vast majority of professional
athletes.  Where Hardaway got into trouble was when he went on to say, “I
hate gay people.”  It is unclear whether he wasn’t articulate enough to say
he hated the act of homosexuality or whether he really meant he hates gay
people.  That is something only God knows since He knows Hardaway’s heart.

The fact is there is no such thing as a “gay person,” only people who
CHOOSE to engage in homosexual acts.  The sins of a person who chooses to
commit the sin of homosexuality are no worse or better than my sins or
yours.  We can hate the sinful act they choose to engage in, but we must
love the person since Jesus died for their sins just like He died for my
sins and yours.  If Hardaway truly hates people who choose to commit this
sin, he needs to get with the Lord and work that out of his heart.  Pray for
him and that God will help him to not love this sin, but love the person who
chooses to commit this type of sin as we must love all people.

The real issue that I want to address today is the national debate that has
taken place since Hardaway’s comments.  If you weren’t sure how effective
the pro-homosexual community has been over the last 20 years, you know now.
They have effectively brainwashed this nation into accepting this deviant
choice of sex between a man and a man or a woman and a woman as acceptable
and on the same level as sex between a man and a woman.  Not only does this
nation now accept this choice as normal, those who speak out against it are
branded as hate-mongers, intolerant, narrow-minded, homophobic,
Bible-bangers, not evolved, and a host of other labels designed to degrade
and silence them.

I have shared with you in the past, if you want to see how effective the
brainwashing by the pro-homosexual community of the masses has been, simply
go ask the kids in youth groups at any church what they think about this
issue.  You will be shocked to find the majority will give you the great lie
that people are “born gay” and can’t help it, that it is not for us to
judge, and that if they “love each other,” that is all that matters!  Again,
these are kids who attend the youth groups in our churches!  They have grown
up with the message that this is something people are born with, that 10% of
the people are gay, and that it is a perfectly acceptable and even desirable
lifestyle.  That has been reinforced since their birth by the schools they
attend and by the media.

The two greatest lies the pro-homosexual community has put out are that 1)
homosexuality is something that you are “born with,” 2) 10% or more in our
society are homosexual. First, modern science has CLEARLY rejected and been
unable to prove that ANYONE is “born gay.” IT IS A CHOICE!!!! People are
born black and white, with green eyes and blue eyes, you have no control
over that.  Taking your pants off to have sex is a CHOICE!  The “struggle”
people who choose this sin speak of is the same “struggle” we all have, to
obey God or to sin! Also, all legitimate studies done by the non-homosexual
community clearly show that less than 1% of the population EVER engage in
this type of sexual sin.

When you condemn those who choose this sin, you are not judging them.  God
already did that when HE, not me, called homosexuality a sin from the
beginning of the Bible to the end.  A foolish argument from those who choose
this sin is that “why would anyone choose something that brought them
ridicule, condemnation, and the hatred of so many?” People make that choice
every day! I deal with men and women daily who CHOOSE to commit adultery and
destroy their marriage, lose the love and respect of their children, in many
cases ruin their career. People who choose sin choose to deal with the
consequences of their sin.

Another foolish question is, “When did you choose to be heterosexual?”  You
don’t have to choose to be how God made you.  However, you DO have to CHOOSE
to engage in unnatural and unhealthy acts that God never intended you to
engage in.  You don’t have to choose to be how God made you, you DO have to
choose to live in rebellion to how God made you.  Also, the “love” argument
is equally as foolish., since it is an unnatural love God never intended.  A
pedophile could use that same argument, as could someone who is engaged in
bestiality.  You can’t excuse sin by using a perverted form of love!

I love you and care about you so much.  Theologically this is not even a
debatable issue. All through the Bible, from the Old Testament through the
New, homosexuality is defined by God as a sin. PERIOD. God calls it an
ABOMINATION! I have heard the tortured theological arguments homosexuals
have made, but there is absolutely NO WAY to change the fact this act is a
sin. Just because there is now a homosexual version of the Bible where they
have literally changed the passages that call this act a sin, that does NOT
change God’s inspired, inerrant Word.

The church better wake up and realize that while they have been building
great buildings and getting fat, satan has been busy using the sin of
homosexuality to destroy the lives of people who have bought into this lie.
We live in a free society. If people who have chosen to engage in homosexual
activity, want to have their own schools, their own churches, their own
television network, they have every right to. It is about time the church
wakes up and realizes that those who promote this sin are bold and are
stopping at NOTHING to get their message out to the masses!  They have done
a great job of selling this lie since most in this nation now accept this
deviant choice of sex as normal and acceptable!

THAT is why I am always talking about how the church, those who know Christ
as their Savior, have got to quit preaching to the choir and start taking
the hope and love of Christ to the world at large. We have got to be brave
and bold enough to tell this lost world that homosexuality is a sin and will
destroy them if they fall into this bondage!  As those who follow Christ, we
also have a responsibility to pray for those who are in this bondage, for
God to open their hearts to the truth of His Word, and to turn from their
sin. Only God can change hearts, and for those who are in bondage to the sin
of homosexuality, we must pray for them to open their hearts and turn from
their sin.

Until Jesus returns, we will always have those who choose a perverted form
of sex with those of their own gender, just like we will always have those
who choose to pervert sex by having it outside of the bonds of marriage.
While we can never accept their choice since it is clearly against God’s
Word, we must pray for them, just like we must pray for everyone who is
battling sin in their life.

For those reading this who are currently fighting homosexuality, let me tell
you that God has never stopped loving you, and is simply waiting for you to
turn from your sin and come back to Him. We serve a God of deliverance from
sin, a God of forgiveness, and a God of restoration. Millions have turned
from the sin of homosexuality and found complete restoration and fulfillment
in living a life according to God’s plan. What He did for someone else, He
can do for you! I pray today that you hear these words, and choose to find
freedom from your sin today. That freedom is only a prayer away!

Pray for John Amaechi.  He is simply a lost soul who in some regards is
being used by ESPN to exploit his sin for cash.  He is the one whose life
and soul are at stake if he continues to engage in this unnatural and
perverted form of sex.  Pray for this nation.  Like the rest of the world,
we have bought into the lie of homosexuality.  I told you years ago it
will only be a matter of time before it is illegal in this nation to preach
against this sin — simply using the Bible.  That day is at hand.  The
nation has bought this lie hook, line, and sinker, and it will help to
destroy us as it did Sodom and Gomorrah.

The Bible declares the TRUTH shall set them free.  May we be brave enough
and bold enough, despite the persecution to proclaim God’s TRUTH about the
sin of homosexuality!!!

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller

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