Motivated at least in part by the current controvery over oneness heretic T.D. Jakes, (also here and here) please read two very good pieces on the importance of the Holy Trinity. Hopefully, this will help Christians understand that we are to separate with heretics, not dialogue with them.
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Posted by Job on October 26, 2011
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Posted by Job on February 6, 2008
I first saw this here but it was confirmed in this devotional as well. Man oh man, I love this election season. So many prominent Christian leaders in the limelight are being exposed for what they are. From the people backing Huckabee despite knowing his connections to the Council on Foreign Relations and to apostates like Kenneth Copeland and John Hagee to Pat Robertson backing Giuliani to the MANY evangelicals and even some fundamentalists backing Mormon Mitt Romney to Donnie McClurkin and many other leading black Christians backing Barack HUSSEIN Obama (here, here, here, here, here, here) well the Lord is exposing for the whole world to see what these prominent Christians are really about and after – the things of this world.Christians, is this the falling away of the American church? If so, make sure that you are not part of that falling away. In a sense, things have been this bad for quite awhile, because the fact that Martin Luther King, Jr. was no better than a Mormon because he did not believe in the deity or resurrection of Jesus Christ despite it being commonly reported … so many people do not know because they do not care to know. And never forget: King’s rise was due to so many alleged Christians, many of them evangelicals and fundamentalists, supporting segregation and racism! Still, I regularly ask some older (than me) Christians have things always been this bad, and even the ones that personally experienced segregation and poverty say without hesitation “No, it wasn’t.”
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“The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the
shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign
LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!
Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe
yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not
take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the
sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or
searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. So they
were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered
they became food for all the wild animals. My sheep wandered over all the
mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth,
and no one searched or looked for them.” Ezekiel 34:1-6
A sad commentary on so many pastors and Christian leaders right from God’s
Word. Last week I was doing some study in the Book of Ezekiel. In reading
through some passages, I came across these first 6 verses in Ezekiel 34. As
I read these words, I could only think that this was the sad description of
so many pastors and Christian leaders today. 50 years ago, you could sit in
the pew of most any church of any denomination and hear the Truth of God’s
Word. Those pastors and the men and women God raised up on the national
scene were men and women who would never compromise the Truth of the Bible
and understood their only mission was to bring the lost to Christ.
Fast forward to the year 2008 and you have entire denominations of pastors
who don’t even preach, teach or believe the Bible. It is questionable if
many pastors were ever “called” and are even saved. Those who have risen up
into national prominence are more worried about selling books, having the
newest private jet, building bigger buildings, and living like the rulers of
small nations rather than preaching the unadulterated Truth of the Bible and
leading the lost to faith in Jesus Christ. My goodness, you now have
so-called Christian leaders who are endorsing and working for the member of
a satanic cult to become our next President!!!
When these are the men and women leading the people, why are we surprised
that many who sit in the pews of the nations churches on Sunday aren’t even
saved, don’t accept the Bible as Absolute Truth and our only authority, and
the majority of the ones who do lead weak and ineffective lives. That is
why I encourage people all the time to seek out a pastor who is a true
shepherd. That is increasingly difficult today, but there are still many
men of God who have not bowed their knee to Baal and are not the shepherds
described in Ezekiel 34. Sunday is the day most Christians go to church. It
is the only time most of you ever see your pastor, and that is usually from
your seat in the sanctuary as he leads the worship service and preaches the
Having preached in over 500 churches of every denomination nationwide, I can
honestly tell you that for most pastors, Sunday morning is their favorite
day of the week and the one day they usually feel their work for God really
has some meaning. You can never know the pressure most pastors are under. If
it was only getting up on Sunday morning and being the “man of God” it would
be wonderful, but that is not reality. It is a 7-day a week, 24-hour a day
calling. Many have outside jobs. There is the constant pressures of raising
the budget, dealing with the interpersonal problems that always exist when
you have a group of people, overseeing the political infighting that often
occurs, on top of the spiritual requirements of shepherding the flock,
having an anointed word each week for the various services, and other
requirements the office of pastor carries with it.
My prayer for you today is to support your pastor. Pray for your pastor each
day. John 10 gives us the picture of the ideal pastor. Pray that your pastor
will be able to tear away from the distractions of this world to be the
shepherd described in John 10. God has placed that pastor in your life to
guide you, spiritually nurture you, and have spiritual leadership over your
life. Do all you can to show your love and appreciation for all your pastor
does for you, most of which you may not even recognize. Also, God has placed
your pastor in your life for spiritual leadership. When you come into times
of crisis, don’t hesitate to go to your pastor. That is ultimately why they
are there, to help you and guide you through those difficult times in your
I love you and care about you so much. I pray for you daily. Sadly, today
there are too many pastors and Christian leaders who fall into the
description found in Ezekiel 34. It makes the work that much more difficult
when you have people running around calling themselves Christians, but
supporting sins like abortion, homosexuality, the destruction of God’s plan
fo the family. You have others who think there is nothing wrong with
belonging to a cult or false religions and they have bought the
universalistic lie from hell that everyone will get to Heaven.
Let this message today be a remember to lift up your pastor in prayer and
recognize him for all he does for your life. God has called His sheep to be
obedient and obey those in spiritual authority. Take inventory and see if
you are fulfilling this admonition, and ask God to help you. He loves you so
much, that he has placed your pastor in your life to shepherd you and guide
you in your spiritual journey. Show your love for Him today by praying for
and supporting your pastor.
In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller firstname.lastname@example.org
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Posted by Job on October 16, 2007
Posted by Job on September 29, 2007
Suggestion 1: State that “There is one God, and the only way to Him is through His Son, Y’shua HaMashiach, more commonly known as Jesus Christ. There is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. God is a spirit, and must be accepted and worshiped by faith and in spirit and truth, not with icons, symbols, rituals, or intermediaries. The knowledge of God is available to all who seek Him and fellowship is open to all who desire it, so there is no secret rites or secret knowledge. Salvation is not determined on the basis of heredity, nationality, ethnicity, or the performance of some ritual but rather through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ based on acceptance of and submission to that same Jesus Christ through faith and obedience. Those who do not do this are destined to an eternity in the lake of fire. If you have not, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior right now for tomorrow is not promised to you.”
Suggestion 2: While other dialogue may be necessary and sufficient, the clear goal of any an all communication must be to convey the contents of suggestion 1 in an unambiguous unapologetic uncompromising manner. If a person is unable or unwilling to do so, then said person should refrain from participating in said dialogue.
Any questions? The Three Step Salvation Plan
To All Defenders Of Juanita Bynum, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, And Other False Preachers: The Cult Of “Do Not Judge”
Posted by Job on August 23, 2007
This is courtesy of Brother Dennis Thompson. Brother Dennis Thompson and I do not agree on everything (see his comment and my response on spiritual warfare) but his comment on An Expose Of Just How Bad Juanita Bynum And Thomas Weeks Are to the many Juanita Bynum defenders on it called The Cult of”DO NOT JUDGE” was too outstanding to remain a mere response to a weblog post: it deserved the spotlight in its own right. Since an Internet search did not turn up the original document in a weblog or website, I will provide the text of Brother Thompson’s comments here. And if you are not saved through Jesus Christ, please follow The Three Step Salvation Plan so that you can be. Salvation can be yours today!
The cult of “Do not Judge”
This article is being written on behalf of all the ministries and people that defend the faith with the truth and are accused of judging because they test those who teach falsely with the Word of God.
The premise-Does God tell us not to judge?
The Bibles answer-No He does not.
John 7:24 Jesus says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” What Jesus does tell us is not to judge by our own opinions, but instead judge by the word of God, that is what it means to judge righteously. He always encouraged the people to judge. God told Israel to judge the prophets in the Old Testament. He had the true prophets judge the false but the people reacted saying the very same things people are saying today. Your being negative oh you never have anything good to say. In the New Testament we are told to judge prophecy, to discern, to test the spirits and we are told to test ALL things. We are told to do this because it helps keep us away from what is false and evil. The apostle Paul showed us how to judge so there would be no second guesswork. The apostle Paul said, “If anyone preaches another gospel let him be accursed” Would anyone say to Paul’s face “your judging.” In 2 Thess. 3:14-15 “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” Strong guidelines that many avoid to do today. These are done not to condemn but to bring repentance and restoration.
Lets let God decide whose right or wrong. Does this sound familiar? Except this particular statement was from a Muslim. But it can be anyone from any religion. Even Christians say we should not pursue a matter to find the truth. I realize that when one’s favorite teacher or leader is questioned the initial human response can be one of agitation and turn to over emotionalism. But when feelings do not subside and escalate into anger, rage, and maliciousness, it is not godly at all. Despite that they believe they have a cause to protect their teacher, it is not advantageous for anyone to have their emotions rule if they are trying to arrive at the truth.
There has been a trend going on for a number of years that has dulled the spiritual senses of the church and leavened the convictions of many a Christian. It has risen to new heights as of late where if anyone has anything to say about another they are told, “Don’t judge, “touch not my anointed” “do my prophets no harm” etc. Maybe if some of the people that quote these verses would look at what they actually say “in context,” they wouldn’t have such flawed arguments, they would not find themselves becoming entangled emotionally. Its not just finding a few words to prove a position, but what do they mean in the Scripture in its context and can they apply to us today.
What is ironic is that to tell people they are judgmental is to judge them. What people are doing is recommending for us not to judge by the word of God, but dispense with any discernment, just like they do it. Some even threaten and curse those who test because they cannot deal with the Scriptural proof presented to them. Christians are not to threaten or curse others because they disagree. Neither should they be warning that they are going to prayer, as though God will answer their prayer of vengeance and avenge the persons teaching that was examined and found false. The facts more often than not are; those who say not to judge are incredibly more judgmental then those they accuse of judging.
One person wrote, “Whether _______ is right or wrong is not up to you to discuss with anyone.” Lets look at this illogical statement. Now we can never discuss doctrine and peoples teachings. This means they too cannot discuss anything that they think, even if it is beneficial! But Heb.6:1-3 tells us we can discuss doctrine. “Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.” In other words many of these things should be settled, but there are many things that are not.
What I have found is very few challenge back quoting from the Bible to prove their position. Rarely do they say this person does not teach this or you misunderstood, he really means this. What they argue is just don’t test it, or don’t say this because I know such and such for years and they are doing great things for God. That’s judging isn’t it? And it is done by appearance. Then when this does not work they will respond by calling names and threatening people using Bible cliché’s as “don’t judge” “don’t touch God’s anointed,” “do my prophets no harm,” etc., all taken out of context. If they were to think biblically they would realize we are all anointed, not just some, and to come against another brother or sister that is trying to obey Scripture means they too are coming against God’s anointed. Everyone in the body of Christ is anointed; nonetheless what someone teaches is to be tested. How do we know this? Paul commended the Thessalonians for doing so, even when it was Paul himself that was being examined by Scripture (Acts 17:11).That is a right Spirit.
So many have been indoctrinated into the constraint of don’t say anything against another no matter how far off they are. Let God will deal with them. If this were true, then why are we given all the commands in Scripture to judge? Why all the warnings that deception and falsehood will permeate the Church in the end and we are to be on guard? We are told to deal with it and not allow it to continue. It’s not to say that we make mountains out of molehills, but some are already mountains that need to be moved. So lets speak to the mountain, speak to those who congregate at the foot of it and tell them.
We should take note, we all judge things all day: let me give some examples. When you sit down you make sure you’re comfortable, you’re judging whether or not you are comfortable. When you eat food at restaurant you judge whether it taste good or bad, and you judge the service you were given. When you bring your car to a mechanic you look for a good one and then you judge if he did a good job. When you buy a product you make sure it works as advertised. When you receive bills in the mail you judge whether they were recorded right. Even in conversations you judge whether someone is telling the truth. So we judge not only every day, but throughout the day. You can’t help but judge! All these things mentioned do not necessarily have an affect on your spiritual life. But the things that actually can affect your spiritual life people are saying, “don’t judge.” If ever a lie of the Devil was told this was it. When the Devil tempted Eve he hoped that she would not judge what he was saying with what God had already spoke. During the conversation (Gen.3) she began to challenge him by the word of God but he responded by bringing doubt on God’s word, saying “has God said?” By the time he was finished she believed the Devil over what God said. She didn’t judge, and instead she and Adam were judged!
What Has God said?
Jethro gave advice after seeing Moses was going to be burnt out on ruling. Moses responded in Deut. 1:15-18 “So I took the heads of your tribes, wise and knowledgeable men, and made them heads over you, leaders of thousands, leaders of hundreds, leaders of fifties, leaders of tens, and officers for your tribes. “Then I commanded your judges at that time, saying, ‘Hear the cases between your brethren, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the stranger who is with him. ‘You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small as well as the great; you shall not be afraid in any man’s presence, for the judgment is God’s. The case that is too hard for you, bring to me, and I will hear it.’ “And I commanded you at that time all the things which you should do.” This was the law to Israel and a principle of how they were to live. So they were to judge even the menial matters among themselves. This is made clearer in the New Testament about doctrine.
This is again repeated in Deut.16:18-19 “You shall appoint judges and officers in all your gates, which the LORD your God gives you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with just judgment.” You shall not pervert justice; you shall not show partiality, nor take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous.”
Why are some of the most drastic things said by famous people ignored, these scriptures show that it is because people are partial, loyal to the renowned, not caring if they are wrong or right. A bribe can be money or it can be other things such as promises or blessings that will be lost. The outcome is that it twists the words of the righteous when they are manipulated not to say the truth.
Judges 2:18-19 “And when the LORD raised up judges for them, the LORD was with the judge and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the LORD was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who oppressed them and harassed them. And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they reverted and behaved more corruptly than their fathers, by following other gods, to serve them and bow down to them. They did not cease from their own doings nor from their stubborn way.” The judges were to implement the commands from the word. Notice what happens when there is no judgment to decide what is right or wrong, the people do what they feel like and reap the consequences. The end of the book of judges it tells us what happened, every man did what was right in their own eyes (Judges 17:6, 21:25).
The judges were restored under Jehoshaphat king of Judah. 2 Chron.19:4-7 “So Jehoshaphat dwelt at Jerusalem; and he went out again among the people from Beersheba to the mountains of Ephraim, and brought them back to the LORD God of their fathers. Then he set judges in the land throughout all the fortified cities of Judah, city by city, and said to the judges, “Take heed to what you are doing, for you do not judge for man but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.” Now therefore, let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take care and do it, for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, no partiality, nor taking of bribes.”
For even Asaph said in Ps. 82:1-4 “God stands in the congregation of the mighty; he judges among the gods. How long will you judge unjustly, and show partiality to the wicked? Selah “Defend the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy; free them from the hand of the wicked.” People are defenseless from the wicked when they put aside judgment. Today there are many people that are abused by those who Lord it over them, by manipulation, by teachings and promises that never come true. If you have a heart of compassion you cannot just sit idly by while this takes place, even to those you may not know personally. It is being done to the body of Christ and the body of Christ needs to say something.
What did Jesus actually say on judging?
Protectors of false teachers will say Jesus said, “not to Judge,” quoting Matthew 7:1, therefore that we cannot “judge.” At first glance it appears that Jesus does forbid judging, but lets continue to read the passage. Matthew 7:1-5: “Judge not, that you be not judged.” For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.” And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?” Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?” Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
In other words you can judge as along as you are not doing the same thing. If you want to help another and have taken care of yourself in this area, then you are able to see and operate on your brother. Jesus does not say don’t operate under any circumstances, but allows us to remove the speck when we can see. But Jesus goes on and says in v:6: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” What He is saying is that we need to make sure whom we are engaged with. When you try to correct someone with the Holy Word and they are haters of truth they will not receive the pearls and will turn on you. So we are to weigh out whom we give the Word of God out to.
Christ kept this theme throughout His ministry rebuking the people in Luke 12:55-57 “And when you see the south wind blow, you say, ‘There will be hot weather’; and there is.” Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time? “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?” This was said right after Jesus lectured on His coming, how it would bring division, not unity (Luke 12:56-57).
Jesus also said “Beware of false prophets!” (Matthew 7:15) this is a warning but comes as a command from our Lord. But how could we “beware” of “false prophets” unless we test what they say? Instead of obeying what Jesus said, some actually ignore this and support them. How? By saying, “don’t test it,” “don’t touch God’s anointed.” They do this because they have been taught “by them” not to question them. Loyalty and respect are good qualities but we cannot fall into the trap that because so and so was in ministry for 20-40 years or we know them personally that they can’t say something terribly wrong. True men of God are willing to be corrected from the Word, no matter who spoke a certain teaching or prophecy.
“Ye shall know them by their fruits,” Christ said (Matthew 7:16). In judging their “fruits,” we must judge by God’s Word. So what is fruit? Well to understand fruit we need to take a few steps backwards. The seed is the word of God, it is what gives us the new life. As it grows in us we mature until we become like a tree (Psalm 1), for a tree bears fruit. Christ is using a natural example of a spiritual principle– a mature tree bears fruit. If the seed is the word, than the tree and the roots of the tree must be of the word. So a good tree bears good fruit. The fruit can’t be good if it is not based on the word, in other words they need to have correct doctrine and teach right to have good fruit. This does not mean one is right on everything but they will hold to the core teachings and are consistent in these. They will not say one thing one time, and contradict themselves another time.
In the New Testament this statement sums up what Jesus meant on judging. In John 7:24 says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” Jesus is saying we can “judge” only do it correctly, not by what you see or hear but by the Word of truth. Just because you don’t want to judge does not mean you have the right to tell others not to. To accuse others of doing what the Bible tells us to do– is to judge without a righteous judgment.
Jesus said in John 5:30 “I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.” To seek God’s will in a matter is to go to Scripture to see what he says on something. Jesus had perfect judgment because he heard from the Father. He also delivered this word to us and says it is not only His Word but the Fathers (Jn.14:24). So if the Word of God is used correctly it is not you or I judging but God, therefore it becomes a righteous judgment.
Jesus again made it clear how to judge unrighteously “You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. “And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me” (John 8:15-16). Jesus did not judge by appearances, He was able to know the heart. While we do not have the same ability, He has given us directions on how we can judge and be accurate in it. A crooked stick by itself may not show that it is bent, but it will always be seen as crooked when laid next to the straight stick of the word.
Paul wrote in Phil. 3:15-17 “Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule let us be of the same mind. Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.” Paul used himself and the other apostles as our physical examples in everything. Paul could not deal individually with the many false teachers springing up like weeds in the different areas. Paul said to follow his example as he followed Christ. Christ openly showed what is false, so did Paul, and so did the other apostles. Much of the New Testament was written to publicly correct false teaching within the Church itself. Every second epistle written by an apostle is for correction or judging false doctrine. In 2 Timothy 4:10, Paul judges and warns about a man named Demas. Later in the same epistle (2:17) he warns of the heresies of two others naming them. Paul did a lot of judging and warning when it came to false teachers that could influence the church, because he cared. What if Paul didn’t judge and allowed Alexander to continue teaching, what if Peter let Simon Magus stay in the Church? Think it through!
We also have permission to judge false doctrine, and those who really care do so.
What about love?
John the Baptist called both the Pharisees and Sadducees “a generation of Vipers” (snakes) (Matt. 3:7), he rebuked Herod the king. Today, he would be accused of being unloving, unkind, no respect for leaders and most of all un-Christian. Jesus and Paul would also be accused of being judgmental if one would examine what they actually said. I believe God has been training the Church to recognize error and deception because the real deception that could deceive the elect may be just around the corner. If you can’t judge today’s falsehood you will certainly be unable to tomorrow when things escalate. Is it now unloving to stop someone from going over cliff when you already know where the road ends.
How else do you protect the sheep if you do not speak out? Let me give a simple example: If someone is selling a false product in your city and numerous people are buying it and becoming sick. What would you do? What if you tried to go to the manufacturer but he would not meet with you because he is an important man in the community and you are not? Do you keep silent and just let it go or is it your duty to let others know? James says not to do something you know is right is sin. So you are sinning if you have any idea it could be wrong. Here in lies the problem, the people who say don’t judge do this for protection of their teachers. But they will often admit that they know there are things wrong, but they have not come to the conclusion of how wrong it is.
The Apostle Paul also writes: “And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all discernment (judgment) that you may approve things that are excellent in God’s sight.” It is this same love that he applies to Eph. 4:14-15 “that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ” This truth would be the word that would challenge the words from deceivers who are deceived and affecting the body with “winds of doctrine.”
We are to identify certain people for the brethren’s own safety. We are to identify false teachers for the purpose of protecting the sheep in Christ’s Church, and we certainly don’t need to apologize for this. We are our brothers keeper. This love is a discriminating love, a love that cares enough for others and is not concerned with what people think of you, especially when you know that you are right from the Word.
Hanging with people who teach falsely will rub off on you, the cliché for self protection “touch not my anointed” becomes “let it be,” it is grinded into the followers and moaned by them toward those who have anything to say about their favorite teachers. One needs to hear both sides before they can make a just decision. Find the proof that what they teach is from the Bible and not from their own imagination of what they think the Bible says.
Lets look at what those who say not to judge are actually saying the Word of God states, next to what the Word of God actually says.
Those who say “Don’t judge- 1 Thess. 5:21-22 “Don’t Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”
The BIBLE-1Thess. 5:21-22 “Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”
Is it evil to test-NO it is not! We are told to test ALL things, not just pick and choose what and when to test. Now this does not mean we become the judge and jury or walk around with a critical eye on everything. It means we are to be sober and vigilant and not take for granted that everything said is the Gospel.
Those who say “Don’t judge- I John 4:1-3 “Beloved, do believe every spirit, don’t test the spirits, whether they are of God”
The BIBLE- I John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
“Do my prophets no harm.” Meant not to lay hands on them. False prophets were to be rejected and stoned in the Old Testament (Deut.18:20). Instead , Israel killed the true prophets (Mt.23:35-37). No one is laying hands on anyone today. The Bible tells us to judge prophets. 1 Cor. 14:29 “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.” It does not just say let only the other prophets judge, but the “others.” These others may have the gift of prophecy or those gifted in the word and Spirit. This would also relate to 1 Cor.12:10 which tells us one of the gifts of the Spirit is a discerning of spirits. (judging, determining what is from God or not). Exactly what John writes in I John 4:1-3 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God” Here again we are told to judge, and in this case it could mean the whole congregation. The “discerning of spirits” is probably the most needed gift in the end times where Jesus said many false prophets and teachers would be around us. When there is a need God raises up a standard. As Paul continues to write “the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets.” This does not mean we turn over a meeting to false prophets to validate the prior false prophets that spoke. Today we have a repetition of the error of the people in Jeremiah’s time “An astonishing and horrible thing has been committed in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own power; and My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?” (Jer. 5:30-31) He asks a question that we need to answer today. What will you do?
No person is to be prevented from the right of investigating and comparing with the Bible what is said. Who would desire to prohibit the people from a full and free examination of what is said? Certainly it would not be God who tells us to judge in the Word. The guideline of testing and judging stresses the importance of truth being accepted and error being rejected. It gives accountability for what one says as a teacher to many people, this reduces the margin of error spread to the people.
Believers are not to avoid judging, just avoid judging with a final condemnation (the eternal destiny of someone). This word judge (Greek-krino) is used over 80 times in the New Testament and it means to call in question, discern, conclude, decree, and determine. The meaning does not mean to condemn in judgment; the context shows we are responsible to correctly evaluate a thing or an act. It does not mean to glean the truth and ignore the false because their good outweighs the bad. We cannot always judge someone’s motives, only God has this kind ability. We are commanded to judge what they spoke, their teachings. God is the ultimate judge on eternal life but we the church are to be keepers of the truth, to do this one must test what is said and reject falsehood.
Heb. 5:12-14 “For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
The author tells us that believers who are “mature,” are those who have trained themselves to exercise judgment, to discern between good and evil through the Word, not by feelings. That is judging; those who do not judge are babes in the word. One of the ways to show you are spiritually mature is to seek out a matter on its own without being persuaded by public opinions or the status of a person. People today often trust a person’s position or fame more than the Holy Spirits discernment given in the Word. Error can only be seen as error only when it is measured against the truth. This means judging. If you accept anything everyone says because of who they are you are just a sponge that will soak up both the good and the bad equally. Then the only way we can get rid of the bad is for God to wring it out of you. That is not always a pleasant experience.
When we ignore the false we are helping the devil’s cause because the truth becomes hidden. The Devil hates the truth because it exposes anything that is false: sometimes it is well hidden. Jesus warned us that false prophets and false disciples would arise and He told us how to know the difference. When somebody says that you are judging, they are wrong, we are inspecting the fruit that comes from the tree and we are told to do so. When we decide what someone is teaching is wrong by the Word that is not our judgment but God’s. But if we decide simply by loyalty and allegiance this does not prove it is true and it becomes what Jesus called judging by appearance.
Attacks without a biblical case– without the facts proves that one is relying on their feelings and having blind loyalty. One needs to make a case from the Bible or they become guilty of the very thing they accuse others of. Proverbs tells us to hear both sides of a matter before we make a decision.
When sheep follow sheep instead of the shepherd they will reap the consequences. It’s well known that sheep are some of the dumbest animals on God’s green earth, you and I both are not as smart as we think we are. Peter quotes Isa.53 “For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls (1 Pet. 2:25). Matt. 9:36 “But when he (Jesus) saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.” There are some Christians that confess Jesus as their Lord but instead of him being their shepherd they allow other men to lead them, they listen to their voice telling them what God has said. Certainly God has appointed teachers in the body of Christ, but no one is above scrutiny. Jesus said “But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:26-27). We see this in cults where what the leader of the group says becomes more important than what the Scriptures say. People listen to other men’s interpretation and what “they say God said” without ever going to Scripture to see if it is true. Lets make sure we are listening to the shepherds voice and not another’s.
What we are not to judge?
These are just a few things to think about. Col 2:16 “So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths.”
We are to avoid judgment on days of worship and food lest we stumble someone. Rom 14:10-15 “But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way. I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.” The point Paul is making is not to stumble a brother or sister by your freedom from the Old Testament law. But to allow false teaching to freely take place would be to stumble them.
Why do I call this movement of “do not judge” a cult? Because for the most part they follow there leaders advice and not the shepherd of their souls. They are not thinking, as the Bible tells us “to test ALL things.” Many are not being taught to think, instead they have been taught what to think. I know this may be harsh to some, but its telling it straight. When we willfully do what we are told, without our checking it out ourselves, we become like the cults. Those who do not judge teaching are actually disobeying what the Bible tells us to do. And they are telling others to do the same, sometimes by intimidation.
The early church was apologetic and polemic. They contended for the faith to those outside and had to do the same inside. If we do not take up this same attitude that is clearly presented in the Scriptures, we will be leavened beyond belief. Many of us see this as a very dangerous trend going on inside the Church. It needs to stop and we need to get back to what the Bible actually says.
2 John 10-11: “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” It may not say the word judge or test but its obvious one must do so to know there is a difference in doctrine. And it is in this “spirit of the text” many other Scriptures are written. Paul writes to Titus about the insubordinate, idle talkers and deceivers “Wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith” (Titus 1:13).
Jesus commended those who judged to arrive at the truth, “I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false” (Revelation 2:2). All the apostles approved judging those who claimed leadership positions.
Paul wrote Timothy who was new to the ministry “I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:1-5).
What afflictions is he talking about? Those who came against Timothy in doing things that are required of God. What things? Convincing, rebuking, and exhorting those who have turned from the truth, God’s word.. If you are one who has learned to discern truth from error, continue to do so, don’t be intimidated. If you have been called to be a watchman and God has given you discernment, use it and don’t let anyone discourage or threaten you, fulfill your ministry.
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Posted by Job on August 13, 2007
A few years back, Pat Robertson endorsed the Chinese policy of forced abortions. Just last year, Robertson spoke of how gracious the Chinese were for allowing CBN access to their airwaves, and actually claimed that God was dealing directly with the Chinese before He did so with the people of Abraham. Now, here is this article, where Robertson claims that revival is happening in China. Realize that China is doing all they can to keep the horrible crimes committed by their godless regime – including but not limited to its shameful persecution of Christians – out of the public eye while they use the Olympics as a Potemkin commercial for their godless statism. So, you had Rick Warren carrying water for Syria and North Korea, now Pat Robertson is doing the same for China. Further, Robertson supports the Bush administration DESPITE Bush’s dedicated support of China. Then again, since billionaire Pat Robertson has myriad business ventures overseas, it might be because of it. Please see this atrocious link.
Seven days a week, the machines at the Nanjing Amity Printing Company churn out copies of what some claim is one of China’s best-selling books – the Bible. Forty-three million Bibles have been printed legally in Communist China since 1987. Once a banned book, today some 3 million copies are printed and distributed each year across the country.
And this year, Chinese Christian leaders are hoping to print a special edition of the Bible to make available to the hundreds of thousands of athletes and visitors expected to attend next year’s Olympic Games. Dr. Cao Shengjie of China Christian council oversees the printing of Bibles in China. He said, “And so for this very important occasion, we hope we can print a special edition, maybe the four Gospels in English and Chinese, bilingual.”
Lui Bainian, a top leader of China’s officially sanctioned Catholic organization, wants to take it a step further and place these Bibles in some of the major hotels in Beijing. “I want our visitors to know that we have religious freedom here and this is a small step to meet their religious needs during the Olympic,” Bainian said. The Chinese capital has hundreds of hotels. One of the biggest in town, the Minzu hotel, is entertaining the idea of making the Bibles available to Olympic guests.
“We are doing our preparations and once we know where our guests are coming from, we will be ready to meet their spiritual needs,” Minzu Hotel General Manager Chen Guoyao said. The Beijing Olympic Committee is also getting religious. It plans to provide Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and Muslim services. “I think the needs of various religious groups will be taken into consideration and as a matter of fact, for example, inside the Olympic Village, we are going to set up a religious service center,” Sun Weide, deputy director of communications for the Beijing Olympic committee said.
Shengjie says it is important for people outside of China, especially Christians, to know the real situation of Christianity in China. “I think the Olympics is a good opportunity because so many people will come from all over the world. And so they can come and see with their own eyes,” he said. And what they will see is a China that’s experiencing unprecedented religious fervor. When athletes and visitors arrive in Beijing next year for the Olympic Games, they will find a city and a nation in the middle of what some are calling a spiritual awakening.
Despite the government’s official doctrine of atheism, millions of Chinese are turning to religion. (The reason why is because communist governments have acknowledged that if they prohibit faith, it will only make the people even more zealous and willing to agititate against the regime. So, rather than making the same mistake that the Soviet Union and other Marxist regimes did, statist regimes are now co – opting religion, knowing that doing so will actually increase their power. Vladimir Putin, for instance, is using the Russian Orthodox Church for his own ends, including keeping the Through The Bible radio ministry off Russian airwaves.)
And as Pat Robertson says, “It’s not China our enemy, it’s China our friend.” Watch the video above for the complete report followed by Robertson’s prayer for China. (Please note, the bold and the italics appear in the original article: I DID NOT ADD IT!)
“People now feel more freer, more open to express their religious convictions,” said Tong Shijun, professor of philosophy at East China Normal University. (That is the ticket, make them THINK that they have more freedoms so that they will not oppose the regime, while the state is still in control through their regulation of religious life.)Tong Shijun teaches at a prominent university in Shanghai. He’s just completed the first major survey on religious beliefs in China. And according to his findings, 31.4 percent of those surveyed said they were religious – putting the number of believers in China at about 300 million.
“The increase of the number and the increase of the percentage was quiet large,” Shijun said. “Quite dramatic.” Christianity is also growing fast. Twelve percent, or 40 million people, described themselves in the poll as followers of Christianity, much higher than official figures given by the Chinese government. (The reason why is that attending any church outside of the churches regulated by the Chinese government is ILLEGAL. The Chinese government even appoints Catholic bishops to peddle their propaganda in their nation, similar to how the Roman government used to appoint Sadducees as high priests during the time of Jesus Christ.)
What is fueling these conversions? Chinese experts say that a growing number of people are turning to religion to better cope with the country’s rapid social and economic changes. (And like all satanic state churches, China is just fine with people becoming Christian for any reason OTHER than to accept and spread the gospel, because that is what Satan desires. Since Pat Robertson is obviously fine with this too, it is clear whose side on the war between Jesus Christ and Satan he is on.)
Molly Fung works in Beijing’s financial district. She recently started going to church. She said she wanted God to give her strength to deal with the pressures of life. “I think that when I am stronger, I can help others, my friends and my family and tell them how to deal with the pressures,” she said. (Helping people make Jesus Christ their personal savior so that they can be freed from sin and death and go to heaven? Apparently that is not part of the agenda.) He Hong is an economics student in Shanghai who recently spent an afternoon at a local Christian bookstore. “Today in our country, more and more people, especially the young people have a yearning for spirituality” Hong, a Shanghai university student, explained. “So many of my friends feel empty in their hearts. We feel so much pressure to get a job, have a better education.”According to Shengjie, so many of them are turning up at church looking for answers. (And the Chinese government says “If false Christianity motivates you to work harder for longer hours for less pay, then we’re fine with that. And since these same Chinese “Christians” would obviously use their money to support Pat Robertson’s financial empire, he is fine with it too. And have you noticed that where Robertson used to be fundamentalist his doctrine has been trending more and more towards prosperity lately?)
“People can easily think that to have a better living and to earn more money is the goal of life but the church, we will tell people that the man does not live by bread alone, we need the Word of God,” Shengjie said.
Buddhism, Taoism, and other religions are also experiencing growth. Shijun believes that the government is starting to recognize the role religion could play in society.
“In the last couple of decades the situation is that religious life is recognized to have a positive role in society, generally speaking, as long as these religious groups abide by the national and local laws,” he said.
Strict limitations on religion remain, however. For example, China only recognizes government registered churches and considers unregistered house churches illegal. (The only reference to the actual situation in China, and they do their best to A) bury it and B) portray it in the best possible context, a far cry from how Robertson treats the issue of Christian persecution in nations where he does not have substantial business dealings with the governments.)
Still Chinese Christian leaders hope next year’s Olympic Games will be an opportunity to showcase China’s diverse and growing religious tapestry. (If by that you mean keep the U.N. and western financial interests from threatening boycotts and sanctions over their persecution of legitimate religious groups rather than state – controlled ones, sure that is what they want, and Pat Robertson is helping.) “Our expectation is to have more friendship and fellowship,” Shengjie said.
Pat Robertson’s CBN empire may produce some decent children’s entertainment now and then – yes Superbook and The Flying House are great, although their newer stuff, while having better production values, are very thin theologically – but now that his business and political interests are dictating his theological positions, it is time to put him in the false preacher category. I wonder if these Sun Myung Moon Council On Foreign Relations/Center For National Policy hooks that are into Robertson and so many of these other leading Christian evangelists are far deeper than we previously thought. And oh look … Ralph Reed lobbies for China also! Christians, we must stay true to the Bible, and that means opposing these false preachers and liars on the religious right as well as those in the religious left.
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Posted by Job on July 31, 2007
Please kindly refer to the WITCHCRAFT and the CHURCH WITCHCRAFT pieces from the old site for a little background on this. While it is not the “textbook” definition of witchcraft, my working definition of witchcraft is anything that exerts control over an individual whether by coercion, subversion, or deception. Of course, this is not an entity in a position of legitimate authority wielding it appropriately, such as law enforcement preventing criminals from victimizing innocent people or parents causing their minor children to submit to a moral code. Quite the contrary, the Bible makes it clear that God regards the lack of such things abomination. Rather, witchcraft for our purposes is either usurping authority that you are never supposed to have, or abusing your legitimate authority, in order to cause a person to act in a certain manner. For example, let us consider the voodoo magician or similar. Now most people who seek the services of such people are either trying to learn their futures, gain money, or receive healing for a sickness. But there are people who seek such services in order to gain a measure of influence over others that they ought not to have, such as seeking a “spell” that will cause an object of their affection to reciprocate their emotions, or to have a curse cast on someone that will negatively impact their finances. You might think that this is something trivial or even whimsical, but in fact it is outrageous. What right does any person have to assert any measure of unwanted influence over the mind, will, emotions, affairs, etc. of another? Not only is it an utter violation of the God – given rights of the individual, but it is a rebellion against God Himself. Why? Because God alone is sovereign, and He alone is supposed to govern all individuals, and that includes the human rulers that God sets over people. Also, to people of the Arminian persuasion, hindering the ability of a person to make a conscious free choice between good and evil, to obey God or to turn aside from Him, in all matters is also a great sin. (I would suppose that Calvinists would consider this to be an ever greater attack on God’s sovereignty). This is why God took a clear stand regarding this behavior in scripture: “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live (Exodus 22:8).” I have found no equal in the Bible in terms of an explicit condemnation of a sinner, and the reason is obvious: the witch – and the one who seeks the aid of a witch – is defying and opposing God in the most direct way possible. Thus, Christians that perceive Harry Potter to be just fine as well as the MANY Christians that seek the aid of such people for such “harmless” activities as palm readings, horoscopes, lottery numbers (trust me, these folks would go broke were it not for their Christian clientele) ought to think about what they are doing, supporting, and contributing to. You might not be putting a curse on someone’s health when you are calling up your reader to find the number that you should play in your daily drawing, but you had better believe that plenty of other people use this same person to do such a thing! God killed not only Saul but his sons as well the day after consulting the witch of Endor (I Samuel 28:7) for a reason, and you Christians who engage in such behavior had better be glad that you are not Jews living under the Old Covenant like Saul.
But today in our modern world, the most common form of witchcraft is not done by people that (overtly or knowingly) deal in evil spirits. Instead, I allege that the governments of the earth are the biggest witches about. Think about the many ways that the governments use fear, intimidation, and (yes) education to cause people to act a certain way … in manners against their desire, will, interests, or nature! As a matter of fact, a great many of people have taken the opinion that it is precisely the role of government to do such a thing, and even more people have decided that it is an acceptable state of affairs. Other than maintaining general law and order, what makes people think that the government has the right to not only dictate but even so much INFLUENCE how people should live? The choices that they should make? Think about how this affects a person’s ability, likelihood, or mindset regarding living their lives in the way that God intends: their ability to make a free will choice to do righteousness or unrighteousness. About how this can cause not only an individual but a whole nation to set itself in complete continuous rebellion against God and His sovereign Will.
Now please, try to view this at a higher level than public schools teaching kids that homosexuality is acceptable, or urban governments refusing to enforce the law while simultaneously passing gun control measures making it impossible for people to defend themselves, or these other cultural and political issues of the day. Instead, think of your basic mindset concerning your government, what it expects of you, and what you expect of it. Compare yourself hypothetically to a person living in an area where other than things related to basic law and order government is nonexistent. Such a person would have a completely different mindset from you, would they not? It is entirely possible that such a person would live their lives in a completely different way. Also, consider that in the west it is generally accepted that the more government a society has, the more civilized we considered it to be, and also we even use the level of support that a person has for government – and the type of government that the person supports – as a measure of that person’s MORALITY.
Consider how people who seek to minimize the influence of government over their lives by moving to remote areas are viewed by the rest of society. Realize that such people are living no differently than did a significant portion of our own population barely 100 years ago, and from how a significant portion of the global population still live. Yet we consider such people to be anywhere from strange to people with extreme – and possibly dangerous – religious and social views.
To show how entrenched this is: consider Wade Horn, formerly a top policy director in the Bush administration. This fellow tried to enact policy where the government would give single mothers and fathers financial benefits in return for getting married. This idea was wildly popular with not only small government conservatives (under the logic that fewer single parent homes would mean less social spending to correct the problems that result from it) but also the religious right. Small government conservatives failed to consider that this idea was using the power of the state as it never had been before. And religious conservatives in particular should know better that efforts to help the poor ought to be out of compassion and unconditional, not cynical attempts to manipulate them into acting against their will. Yes, having kids out of wedlock (or more accurately procreative behavior out of wedlock) is sinful. But if you think that using the power of the state to exploit these people’s financial pressures to manipulate them to behave according to your wishes is not just as sinful, then you need to go read your Bible! You cannot coerce people into obeying God. Why? Because if you do, such people are not obeying God! Rather, they are obeying YOU. Therefore, any praise and honor that comes from their doing good deeds goes not to God, who alone is deserving it, but you, the person who is acting as an anti – Christ by standing in God’s place. Not only that, your forcing them to obey YOU DEPRIVE THEM OF THEIR ABILITY TO CHOOSE TO LIVE FOR GOD.
Now of course, there are some areas where this issue is subject to debate. A municipality using its tax and zoning policy to address traffic, school overcrowding, and environmental issues, and funding public transportation projects to provide jobs? That may well be an issue of officials using their legitimate authority in a wise, just manner as did Joseph. But using the same simply because you want to dictate how people live, where their children will attend public school, and make sure your political party retains control over a voting district? That is witchcraft.
And though officials do have the ability to act in a moral and responsible fashion, what is the guarantee that they will do so? The only way would be to A) populate our government with moral responsible people and B) ensure that they remain moral and responsible. Now if Old Testament Israel, God’s elect nation that He Himself by His supernatural intervention in history, could not accomplish this, what makes us think that we can? So, the primary agenda of every Christian should be to limit government. That way, we reduce its potential to bewitch us and cause our nation to rebel against God. So many Christians on the right and the left believe that we can use the power of the state to advance the cause of God’s righteousness. Part of this is that we are willing to delude ourselves into believing that our own moral and cultural preferences are God’s righteousness, can lead a person to God’s righteousness, or have some form of instrinsic virtue and value. Instead we need to consider this real fact: a powerful government hinders the work of what truly is used to advance the cause of righteousness, which is the church. Christians need to work to limit the power of government in a society if for no reason other than a limited government will be less able to oppose the church. It is a terrible shame that no Christian leaders with the respect and influence with the masses are speaking of this reality. Remember: we cannot cause anyone to be righteous. We are not to try to do so, and we certainly are not to use the coercive power of the state to achieve those ends. All we are to do is bring people to Christ with our witness and testimony. Not only is that something that the state can never do, but by its very nature the state will always oppose.
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Posted by Job on July 23, 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071901957.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 reminds me of http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301688.html. This is one of the SHOCKINGLY FEW mainstream media stories about this, though I would hazard a guess that pretty much everyone has heard about it. Now the fact that no real sport has been made of this in the media shows which side the media is on. Were they to deal with it in any serious way, it would provoke a real theological debate, and that would have forced the leaders of the religious right to take a stand on whether Bush ever received a direct revelation from God on Iraq or any other issue. The result of such a debate would have been the obvious: there is NO WAY that Bush EVER received such a revelation from God (more on that later). But by placing it out there in a manner where everyone would find out about it but so serious examination of it would take place serves the purpose of the anti – Christ media: to make Bible – believing Christians look like fools, fascists, or some combination thereof. And it has worked, see this link: Because Of George Bush, The World Regards Christianity As Evil!
And this better than anything else exposes the utter corruption of the Christian leaders in America, especially those on the religious right. If they were on the Lord’s side, out of a desire not so much to defend the reputation of the church on earth but THE NAME OF OUR GOD IN HEAVEN, they should have openly challenged Bush on this blasphemy. But since no righteous man or woman of God performed the role of a prophet, it shows the apostasy of our churches just as does this article: Do You Go To Church? If So, Why?! (Pay special attention to the fact that only 3% of Christians truly care whether their kids go to heaven or hell according to this survey as compared to 39% wanting their kids to get into a good college.) What demonstrates the apostasy even more so is that the MEMBERS of their churches did not DEMAND that their pastors oppose Bush’s speaking against our Lord.
How can I be so sure that God did not tell Bush to invade Iraq and Afghanistan? It is a simple Bible test, really. (Test Your Bible Knowledge With The Prophecy Quiz! and
The Requirements For The Office Of A Prophet are the types of things that would point you in the right direction.) Some simple ones: prophecy only goes to Israelites (meaning people that are saved). Bush = member of Skulls and Crossbones, pro – abortion and pro – homosexual: see Why Christians Should Not Support George W. Bush, and believes that Muslims worship the same God as Christians do (which is, er, quite a surprise to the Muslims). Add to that Why President George W. Bush Honestly is Not a Christian and it is pretty clear. Incidentally, none of the things in any of those links are secret. They were known to our clergy before he was elected to office, and by the time this “revelation” allegedly came to him, it was obvious that he had not changed! So strike one.
Strike two: things of this nature are only true if established in the mouth of two or more witnesses. Well, was there any evidence of any other Christian hearing a word from the Lord that we should strike Iraq and Afghanistan? If there were, I didn’t hear of it!
And strike three: all revelation must be consistent with prior revelation. For Christians, our completed, inspired, inerrant, literally true, and final authority in all matters – including revelation – is the Bible. It is what by which we can try all spirits by the Holy Spirit, and call anything and everything that does not measure up to be accursed. Now I am not one of those who believes that the Righteous One who shall one day return to make war and overcome the armies of Gog and Magog and those who follow Him are called to be pacifists: see CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TO BE PACIFISTS!!! please. But just show me one place in the Bible where God told Christians to start wars of aggression against a nation that did not attack us and was not imminently planning on attacking us (and had no real capability of executing any plan that they did have) but JUST HAPPENED to be MIGHTY CONVENIENT to various domestic and international economic and political aims of his. (Puppet regime? Check. Oil companies? Check. Halliburton? Check. Defense contractors? Check. Re – election? Check. Increased Christian persecution in Iraq and across the Middle East? Check. (And check here too.) Increasing the amount of carnage, disorder, racial and religious tension, fear, and economic/political instability in the world, which in turn makes us more likely to submit to international leadership for “solutions”? Check. Giving illegal immigrants an easy path to citizenship by allowing them to fill Army quotas? Check. Increasing our national debt to China and similar? Check. Sending so many of our best and brightest workers overseas through the “backdoor draft” so we can claim a “labor shortage” that we need to replace with immigrant workers? Check. And boy, those National Guardsmen and equipment sure would have come in handy after Hurricane Katrina, and to fight all of these wildfires, but oh well … check.) I have not seen it in the Bible. Nor have I seen anything in the Bible where Christians have this manifest destiny to go about imposing Christianity, “democracy”, or anything else on a sovereign nation. Have you?
Did God command His people to fight wars in the Bible? Sure. In the OLD TESTAMENT to ISRAEL. But that was in the interests of creating a nation out of Abraham – and defending said nation – that God would use to bring Jesus Christ into the world. After that was done, there was no need to go about putting men, women, and children to death with the sword (or with carpet – bombing campaigns). Of course, a nation has a right to defend itself, and the case can be made that we have an obligation to rise up and stop grotesque human rights abuses (although our next detachment of troops to Sudan to stop the genocide against Christians there will be the first). But it is safe to say that the large scale (or small scale) slaughter of innocents so that occult groups like the Skulls and Bones can exert its political and corporate dominance over the globe is fundamentally incompatible with Biblical revelation, correct?
Now say George Bush had sold all that he had and given it to the poor as Jesus Christ told the wealthy young ruler. Or had he used these “Radio Free Wherever” government radio propaganda broadcasts to pump Christian evangelistic messages across the globe fulfill the Christian mandate to take the gospel to every nation. Or had he proposed a massive wealth transfer program to the poor, or to imposed strict environmental regulations on big business based on Bible verses and doctrines. Now I would not necessarily advocate Bush going and doing those things because they may be taking Bible doctrines out of their appropriate contexts. But in those instances had Bush said that God told him to do these things, we would at least have to consider the POSSIBILITY that God MAY have told him to do so because the claimed revelation would have at least some scriptural basis. But a revelation that IS OBVIOUSLY COMPLETELY OPPOSITE TO EVERYTHING THAT THE BIBLE SAYS AND STANDS FOR? That should have made at least SOME CHRISTIANS suspicious.
Well, either we Christians bought into the obvious lie, or we knew it was a lie and failed to speak up and demand that others do the same. Which is it? Either way, it is enough to make you wonder if God is going to hold us to account for our silence on Judgment Day, right alongside those who support or refuse to appose abortion. If you do not feel that such is the case, or if you disagree with anything else that I have proposed, now is the time to make your dissent known and tell me where I am wrong!
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Posted by Job on July 23, 2007
Still more evidence that Bush has been deceiving us. But my main question is this: how many of these prominent religious right preachers know that Skulls and Crossbones Bush is a fraud but won’t say anything? Please click on link below …
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Posted by Job on July 18, 2007
Now I can see his problem with pro – homosexual pro – abortion Rudy Giuliani (though it is fair to point out that Mitt Romney had those same positions until, oh, yesterday). But what does he have against McCain? You know the answer to that, don’t you? GOP party politics. Dobson would rather have a Mormon with no record of social conservatism in his political or business or philanthropic career (no huge donations to Operation Save America from that private fortune of his) than a Christian (yes, McCain is a Christian, though not fundamentalist or evangelical) with a long socially conservative voting record (McCain did not vote for the gay marriage amendment, but in doing so his position was no different from that of George Bush or Dick Cheney … Bush only gave lukewarm transparent vocal support to the amendment when it was made clear to him that he would lose re – election in 2004 without it). Why? Because McCain ran against Bush and bucked the GOP party line. Even with McCain’s turn left in recent years and Romney’s turn right in the past few minutes, Romney’s record is still far to the left of McCain’s … remember that healthcare bill that he signed? This proves that Dobson when you get down to it is just another establishment GOP party hack. Oh yes, and let us not forget about the faith – based money: Romney doled out tons of taxpayer dollars to religious groups during his tenure. McCain, despite his brief strange association with the self – deluded and now disillusioned Gary Bauer (another religious right guy who accepted money from Syung Moon), opposes that sort of thing. Money: faith based programs, some of which would no doubt flow to Dobson’s many interests, and that was the also the same reason why Pat Robertson backed Bush and why he is also backing Romney, a person who believes in this (see link) and calls himself a Christian. Power: control over the GOP. That is what it is all about people: mammon.
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Posted by Job on July 18, 2007
Here is a better link: Click On Harry Potter Occult Or Not From ChristianPost.com
And another still: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1383.cfm
The Catholic – evangelical – charismatic ecumenical journal Christianity Today endorsed Harry Potter because of the Catholic imagery in it. See Christianity Today’s Defense Of Harry Potter here. The heavily Catholic (and often fundamentalist – bashing) National Review expressed similar sentiments. (I know that not all Catholics like Harry Potter, just working towards a bigger point.) And so you have the political ecumenist James Dobson having strong ties to Rome: http://www.christianissues.com/rome.html
And you see the political ecumenism of the religious right knows no bounds: Dobson may endorse Mormon Mitt Romney for President: James Dobson is Very Likely to Endorse Cult Member Mormon Mitt Romney for President, but Won’t Admit it Yet! Which is a reason why the Washington Post is able to slip a reference to the Mormon author in a post about Christian writers and get away with it (this link explains why we should not tolerate anyone calling Mormons Christian) . Once upon a time, Christian watchdog groups like Dobson’s would have been the first to complain, but now Dobson, Robertson, and the rest of their ilk are part of the problem. What is my main point? Like Independent Conservative said in Patriotic Ecumenicalism Versus Christianity, Christian political ecumenism is wrong, needs to be stopped and opposed.
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Posted by Job on July 16, 2007
Click on this link healtheland.bravehost.com/abortion before you answer this challenge. Especially if you are a pro – choice Christian. Father God in the Name of Jesus Christ, may people who have had abortions or who have given or participated in them know that there is forgiveness, salvation, and deliverance in You. May all of the saints intercede for such people in prayer, and may they answer the call to seek to be cleansed of the sin, the guilt, the fear, the pain, and the hurt. May they come to You so that no man can condemn them for there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus, and so that you can set them free. Amen.
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Posted by Job on July 13, 2007
Acts 13:48 – And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Well, that is rather explicit, especially when you consider its context, because this verse concludes a “salvation narrative”, the prior verses of which Paul was preaching the gospel, Acts 13:16-49 “Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it. And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness. And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot. And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years. And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose. Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead: And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.”
Kind of hard for this free will Christian to get around that one, isn’t it? Oh well. I will try. The next time I can find a Bible verse to support it.
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