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Is American Christianity Turning Charismatic?

Posted by Job on January 7, 2008

See original link. January 7, 2008

(Ventura, CA) – Pentecostal or charismatic Christianity is
viewed by some Americans as an emotional, theologically suspect form of
the Christian faith. It is widely thought to be a very vocal and
visible, but numerically small slice of the grand religious pie in the
United States. Two new surveys from The Barna Group, however, indicate
that things are changing dramatically in the religious landscape. Those
surveys – one among a national sample of adults and the other among a
national sample of Protestant pastors – show that the number of
churches and adherents to Pentecostal perspectives and practices has
grown significantly in the past two decades.

Growing Numbers of People

A decade ago, three out of ten adults claimed to be charismatic
or Pentecostal Christians. Today, 36% of Americans accept that
designation. That corresponds to approximately 80 million adults. (For
the Barna survey, this included people who said they were a charismatic
or Pentecostal Christian, that they had been “filled with the Holy
Spirit” and who said they believe that “the charismatic gifts, such as
tongues and healing, are still valid and active today.”)

Charismatics are found throughout the fabric of American
Christianity. Although just 8% of the population is evangelical, half
of evangelical adults (49%) fit the charismatic definition. A slight
majority of all born again Christians (51%) is charismatic. Nearly half
of all adults who attend a Protestant church (46%) are charismatic.

Charismatic Churches

One out of every four Protestant churches in the United States
(23%) is a charismatic congregation. While some of the most common
charismatic denominations are well-known – such as the Assemblies of
God, Foursquare or Churches of God in Christ – non-denominational
churches emerged as one of the most common charismatic “denominations.”
Four out of every ten non-denominational churches are charismatic.

The profile of the typical charismatic congregation is nearly
identical to that of evangelical, fundamentalist and mainline
Protestant churches. Four out of five (80%) have a full-time, paid
pastor in charge of the ministry. The senior pastor is, on average, 52
years old – the same as in other Protestant churches. And the weekly
adult attendance is equivalent to that of other Protestant bodies (82
adults at Pentecostal gatherings compared to 85 adults among all
Protestant churches).

Myths Exposed

The Barna study found that several widespread assumptions about charismatic churches are inaccurate.

  • Many people believe that charismatic Christianity is
    almost exclusively a Protestant phenomenon. However, the research
    showed that one-third of all U.S. Catholics (36%) fit the charismatic
    classification. Framed differently, almost one-quarter of all
    charismatics in the U.S. (22%) are Catholic.
  • Charismatic churches are generally thought to belong
    to a rather strictly defined group of denominations. The growth of
    Pentecostalism, however, has crossed denominational boundaries in
    recent years. For instance, 7% of Southern Baptist churches and 6% of
    mainline churches are charismatic, according to their Senior Pastors.
  • One widespread view is that charismatic Christianity
    is found mostly in small, relatively unsophisticated congregations. The
    research suggests something different. Charismatic congregations are
    about the same size as those of non-charismatic Protestant churches.
    Most surprisingly, charismatic ministries are more likely than other
    Protestant churches to use five of the seven technological applications
    evaluated. Those included the use of large-screen projection systems,
    showing movie clips in worship services or congregational events, using
    blogs, and web-based social networking by the church.
  • In the past, many have observed that the female
    pastors were more likely to be welcomed into the Pentecostal community.
    However, 9% of both charismatic and non-charismatic Protestant churches
    are currently led by a female Senior Pastor.
  • It is assumed faith trends in America are dictated by
    white churches, which represent about 77% of the nation’s Protestant
    congregations. However, only 16% of the country’s white Protestant
    congregations are Pentecostal, compared to 65% of the Protestant
    churches dominated by African-Americans.

    Differences Discovered

    The surveys did reveal several significant differences between
    charismatic and non-charismatic congregations. While the average
    congregational attendance at each type of church is similar, the
    non-charismatic churches tend to have larger annual operating budgets:
    $149,000 compared to slightly more than $136,000 budgeted by the
    Pentecostal ministries.

    In like manner, the compensation of each group’s Senior Pastors
    differs. Those who lead non-charismatic churches receive an average
    total compensation package of about $47,000 annually. In contrast,
    charismatic pastors receive a package worth about $42,000.

    Pastoral education is another major distinction. A large
    majority of the Senior Pastors of non-charismatic churches (70%) have
    graduated from a seminary. Not quite half of the charismatic pastors
    (49%) have a seminary degree.

    Reflections on the Research

    The movement toward charismatic Christianity coincides with
    several cultural shifts, according to author George Barna, who directed
    the research projects.

    “The charismatic orientation is most popular among the
    non-white population – which is, of course, the sector of the
    population that is growing most rapidly. Also, the freedom of emotional
    and spiritual expression typical of charismatic assemblies parallels
    the cultural trend toward personal expression, accepting diverse
    emotions and allowing people to interpret their experiences in ways
    that make sense to them,” Barna explained. “It is not surprising that
    the Pentecostal community in America has been growing – nor do we
    expect it to stop making headway.”

    “We are moving toward a future in which the
    charismatic-fundamentalist split will be an historical footnote rather
    than a dividing line within the body of believers. Young Christians, in
    particular, have little energy for the arguments that have
    traditionally separated charismatics and non-charismatics. Increasing
    numbers of people are recognizing that there are more significant
    arenas in which to invest their resources.”

    About the Research

    This report is based upon a nationwide telephone survey
    conducted by The Barna Group in December 2007 among a random sample of
    1005 adults, age 18 and older. The maximum margin of sampling error
    associated with the aggregate sample is ±3.2 percentage points at the
    95% confidence level. Statistical weighting was used to calibrate the
    sample to known population percentages in relation to demographic
    variables. The report also contains information from a nationwide
    telephone survey conducted among a random sample 1220 Senior Pastors of
    Protestant churches. The maximum margin of sampling error associated
    with the aggregate sample of pastors is ±2.9 percentage points at the
    95% confidence level.

    Being classified as a charismatic or Pentecostal was based on
    survey respondents saying that they “consider yourself to be a
    Pentecostal or charismatic Christian, meaning you have been filled by
    the Holy Spirit and believe that the charismatic gifts, such as tongues
    and healing, are valid and active today.”

    “Mainline Protestant” churches were those associated with the
    American Baptist, United Church of Christ, Episcopal, United Methodist,
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and Presbyterian Church in the
    USA denominations.

    “Evangelicals” are people who meet the born again criteria
    (described below) plus seven other conditions. Those include saying
    their faith is very important in their life today; believing they have
    a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ
    with non-Christians; believing that Satan exists; believing that
    eternal salvation is possible only through grace, not works; believing
    that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; asserting that the
    Bible is accurate in all that it teaches; and describing God as the
    all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and
    still rules it today. Being classified as an evangelical is not
    dependent upon church attendance or the denominational affiliation of
    the church attended. Respondents were not asked to describe themselves
    as “evangelical.”

    “Born again Christians” are defined as people who said they
    have made a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is still important
    in their life today and who also indicated they believe that when they
    die they will go to Heaven because they had confessed their sins and
    had accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. Respondents are not asked to
    describe themselves as “born again.”

    The Barna Group, Ltd. (which includes its research division,
    The Barna Research Group) conducts primary research, produces media
    resources pertaining to spiritual development, and facilitates the
    healthy spiritual growth of leaders, children, families and Christian
    ministries. Located in Ventura, California, Barna has been conducting
    and analyzing primary research to understand cultural trends related to
    values, beliefs, attitudes and behaviors since 1984. If you would like
    to receive free e-mail notification of the release of each new,
    bi-monthly update on the latest research findings from The Barna Group,
    you may subscribe to this free service at the Barna website www.barna.org.

    © The Barna Group, Ltd, 2008.

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    Are Kenneth Copeland And Several Other Leading Televangelists MASONS?

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    These links say so. And they are not the only ones that I found.

    http://newsletters.cephasministry.com/copelandmason1.99.html

    http://newsletters.cephasministry.com/1_00_tbn_gold.html

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/kennethcopeland33rddegreefreemason.htm

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/wolves_in_sheep’s_clothing.htm

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    More Proof That Word of Faith Is Mormonism From Kenneth Copeland!

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    Kenneth Copeland: the Joseph Smith of our time.

    Jesus was infected/injected with satan’s sin nature in order for redemption to work

    “He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he’s got Him destroyed.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory program, April 21, 1991)

    “The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, ‘My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?’ You don’t know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, ‘Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there — the sign of Satan? Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?’ And the Lord said, ‘Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.’ He said, ‘I accepted, in My own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    Jesus “put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned].”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Incarnation, 1985, audiotape #01-0402, side 1)

    Jesus is said to have remarked, “It was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross….I accepted, in my own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    [Jesus] “had to give up His righteousness”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Incarnation, 1985, audiotape #01-0402, side 2)

    “How did Jesus then on the cross say, ‘My God.’ Because God was not His Father any more. He took upon Himself the nature of Satan. And I’m telling you Jesus is in the middle of that pit. He’s suffering all that there is to suffer, there is no suffering left . . . apart from Him. His emaciated, little wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing and the devil thinks He’s got Him destroyed. But, all of a sudden God started talking.”
    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN, April 21, 1991)

    Jesus was the first born again man

    “He allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived … Every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him … [They] tortured Him beyond anything that anybody has ever conceived … In a thunder of spiritual force, the voice of God spoke to the death-whipped, broken, punished spirit of Jesus … [in] the pit of destruction, and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life … He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles … Jesus Christ dragged Satan up and down the halls of hell … Jesus … was raised up a born-again man … The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited … !”

    Kenneth Copeland (“The Price of it All,” Believer’s Voice of Victory, September 1991, p. 4)

    “In hell He [Jesus] suffered for you and for me. The Bible says hell was made for Satan and his angels. It was not made for men. Satan was holding the Son of God there illegally … The trap was set for Satan and Jesus was the bait.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Walking in the Realm of the Miraculous, 1979, p. 77)

    “The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”
    Kenneth Copeland (Substitution and Identification, tape #00-0202, side 2)

    ” …that Word of the Living God went down into that pit of destruction and charges the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly, His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil has never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex his spiritual muscles… Jesus was born again — the firstborn from the dead.”
    Kenneth Copeland (The Price of it All, Believer’s Voice in Victory, vol 19 September 1991, p.9)

    “He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason… There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    The church is in control, not God

    “As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, p. 32)

    These men think they’re Gods!

    “Jesus is no longer the only begotten Son of God.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Now We Are In Christ Jesus, 1980, p. 24)

    “You are not a spiritual schizophrenic — half-God and half-Satan — you are all-God”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Now We Are in Christ Jesus, 1980, p.16-17)

    “You don’t have a god in you, you are one”

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Love, 1987, audiotape #02-0028, side 1)

    “I say this with all respect so that it don’t upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, ‘I Am,’ I just smile and say, ‘Yes, I Am, too!'”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN July 9, 1987)

    “Now Peter said by exceeding great and precious promises you become partakers of the divine class. All right, are we gods? We are a class of gods!”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Praise The Lord, TBN February 5, 1986)

    “Adam was created in God’s own image and likeness, a spirit-being…[and] takes on the nature of his spiritual father or lord.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, p.7-8)

    “Gods reason for creating Adam was his desire to reproduce himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself. And in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God, He was not almost like God, He was not subordinate to God even … Adam was as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus. Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh”
    Kenneth Copeland (Following the faith of Abraham Audio, #01-3001 side 1)

    4th Dimension of non-carnal attainment

    “Pray to yourself, because I’m in your self and you’re in My self. We are one Spirit, saith the Lord.”

    Kenneth Copeland (“Believer’s Voice of Victory”, Feb. 1987, p.9)

    The faith force

    “Faith is a power force,” he claims. “It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 1989, 10)

    “Faith is a spiritual force….It is substance. Faith has the ability to effect natural substance.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, 8)

    “The force of gravity…makes the law of gravity work…this force of faith…makes the laws of the spirit world function.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Laws of Prosperity, 1974, 18-19)

    “Faith is God’s source of power”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, 8)

    “Faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer II, 1987, audiotape #01-0302, side 1)

    “The force of faith was controlling His (Jesus’) ministry.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 9)

    “Man was created to know that great life force and he longs for it in his dreams. Adam had that life force in him before he committed high treason”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, side 2)

    “God did not create the world out of nothing, He used the Force of His Faith.”

    Kenneth Copeland (pirit, Soul, & Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)

    “Faith is God’s source of power”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Freedom From Fear, 1983. p. 12)

    Words are spiritual containers

    “Words are spiritual containers,”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 15; cf. 14)

    The “force of faith is released by words.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer II, 1987, audiotape #01-0302, side 1)

    “God used words when He created the heaven and the earth….Each time God spoke, He released His faith — the creative power to bring His words to pass.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Power of the Tongue, 1980, 4)

    “As a born-again believer, you are equipped with the Word. You have the power of God at your disposal. By getting the Word deep into your spirit and speaking it boldly out your mouth, you release spiritual power to change things in the natural circumstances.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Power of the Tongue, 1980, 15)

    “Words create pictures, and pictures in your mind create words. And then the words come back out your mouth….And when that spiritual force comes out it is going to give substance to the image that’s on the inside of you. Aw, that’s that visualization stuff! Aw, that’s that New Age! No, New Age is trying to do this; and they’d get somewhat results out of it because this is spiritual law, brother.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN, March 28, 1991)

    “Words are the most sacred things….This is a word planet…governed by words…created by words….Words cause it to function…cause life…cause death….Words go on forever….Words are holy.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Abrahamic Covenant, side 1)

    Sensual manifestations

    “Everything that you’re able to see or touch, anything that you can feel, anything that’s perceptive to the five physical senses, was originally the faith of God, and was born in the substance of God’s faith.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Spirit, Soul, & Body Part 1, 1985, audiotape #01-0601, side 1)

    God is the biggest failure in the bible

    “I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is…The biggest one in the whole Bible is God…I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least – that’s a big loss, man….Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Praise-a-thon on Praise The Lord, April 1988)

    God’s physical description

    “God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words. These words struck Adam’s body in the face. His body and God’s were exactly the same size.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Holy Bible, Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991, p. 45)

    “If you stood Adam upside God, they look just exactly alike….If you stood Jesus and Adam side-by-side, they would look and act and sound exactly alike….The image is that they look just alike, but the likeness is that they act alike and they are alike….All of God’s attributes, all of God’s authority, all of God’s faith, all of God’s ability was invested in that man.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer IV? 1987, audiotape #01-0304), side 1)

    “The Bible said He measured the heavens with a 9 inch span. Now the span is the difference, distance between the end of the thumb and the end of the little Finger. And, and that Bible said, in fact the amplified translation translates the Hebrew text that way. That He measured out the heavens with a 9 inch span. Well, I got a ruler and measured mine, and my span’s 8 3/4 inches long. So now God’s span is a quarter of an inch, a quarter inch longer than mine. So you see, that faith didn’t come billowing out of some giant monster somewhere. It came out of the heart of a being that is very uncanny the way He’s very much like you and me. A being that stands somewhere around 6′ 2 “, 6′ 3”, that weighs somewhere in the neighbourhood of a couple of hundred pounds, little better, has a span of 8 and, I mean nine inches across – stood up and said “Light be [Let it be?]”, and this universe situated itself and went into motion. Glory to God.”

    Kenneth Copeland (“pirit, Soul, & Body Part 1” 1985, audio tape #01-0601, side 1)

    God is a “spirit-being with a body, complete with eyes, and eyelids, ears, nostrils, a mouth, hands and fingers, and feet.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Kenneth Copeland ministry letter, 21 July 1977)

    The Womb-Man

    “Adam was made in the image of God. He was as much female as he was male. He was exactly like God. Then God separated him and removed the female part. Woman means ‘man with the womb.’ Eve had as much authority as Adam did as long as they stayed together.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Sensitivity of Heart, KCP Publications, 1984, p. 23)

    “Then, he created Eve out of Adam. Now, actually God didn’t name her Eve, Adam named her Eve later. That wasn’t her name, her name was Adam … Adam. When God said Adam, they both came. Their authority was one and the same together. They did everything together. They had always been together. Even when she was still part of him, he was as much female as he was male, LIKE GOD IS. And God separated the female part of him and then put them back together. And she was Adam, they were Adam. He was the man, she was the woman. She was the man with the womb.”
    Kenneth Copeland ((Transcribed From A Message Given By Kenneth Copeland, Paw Creek Ministries) )

    God lives on the mother planet

    “Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)

    “You don’t think earth was first, do you? Huh? Well, you don’t think that God made man in His image, and then made earth in some other image? There is not anything under this whole sun that’s new. Are you hearing what I’m saying? This is all a copy. It’s a copy of home. It’s a copy of the Mother Planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like His and put us on it.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)

    I have met and/or spoken to Jesus

    (Relating Jesus speaking) “Don’t be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of Me, should they not speak that way of you? The more you get to be like Me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah.”
    Kenneth Copeland (“Take Time to Pray,” Believer’s Voice of Victory, February 1987, p. 9)

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    Kenneth Copeland Says God Is Banned From The Earth Unless The Church Allows Him!

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    “God’s on the outside looking in. He doesn’t have any legal entree into the earth. The thing don’t belong to Him. You see how sassy the Devil was in the presence of God in the book of Job? God said, “Where have you been?” Wasn’t any of God’s business. He [Satan] didn’t even have to answer if he didn’t want to … God didn’t argue with him a bit! You see, this is the position that God’s been in … Might say, “Well, if God’s running things He’s doing a lousy job of it.” He hadn’t been running ’em, except when He’s just got, you know, a little bit of a chance.”
    Kenneth Copeland (Image of God in You III, 1989, audiotape #01-1403, side 1)

    “Here’s where we’re gonna depart from ordinary church: Now, you see, God is injecting His Word into the earth to produce this Jesus — these faith-filled words that framed the image that’s in Him … He can’t just walk onto the earth and say, “Let it be!” because He doesn’t have the right. He had to sneak it in here around the god of this world that was blockin’ every way that he possibly could.”

    Kenneth Copeland (The Image of God in You III, 1989, audiotape #01-1403, side 2)

    “The Bible says that God gave this earth to the sons of men … and when [Adam] turned and gave that dominion to Satan, look where it left God. If left Him on the outside looking in … He had no legal right to do anything about it, did He? … He had injected Himself illegally into the earth — what Satan had intended for Him to do was to fall for it — pull off an illegal act and turn the light off in God, and subordinate God to himself … He intended to get God into such a trap that He couldn’t get out.”
    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017)

    “Adam committed high treason, and at that point, all the dominion and authority God had given to him was handed over to Satan. Suddenly, God was on the outside looking in … After Adam’s fall, God found Himself in a peculiar position … God needed an avenue back into the earth … God laid out His proposition and Abram accepted it. It gave God access to the earth and gave man access to God … Technically, if God ever broke the Covenant, He would have to destroy Himself.”
    Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, pp. 8-11)

    “God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s going to have to be in agreement with a man here.”

    Kenneth Copeland (God’s Covenants With Man II, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1)

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    Want SOME Of Kenneth Copeland’s Best Heresies? Here They Go!

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=aquote&id=7

    Jesus was infected/injected with satan’s sin nature in order for redemption to work

    “He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he’s got Him destroyed.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory program, April 21, 1991)

    “The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, ‘My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?’ You don’t know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, ‘Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there — the sign of Satan? Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?’ And the Lord said, ‘Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.’ He said, ‘I accepted, in My own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    Jesus “put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned].”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Incarnation, 1985, audiotape #01-0402, side 1)

    Jesus is said to have remarked, “It was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross….I accepted, in my own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    [Jesus] “had to give up His righteousness”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Incarnation, 1985, audiotape #01-0402, side 2)

    “How did Jesus then on the cross say, ‘My God.’ Because God was not His Father any more. He took upon Himself the nature of Satan. And I’m telling you Jesus is in the middle of that pit. He’s suffering all that there is to suffer, there is no suffering left . . . apart from Him. His emaciated, little wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing and the devil thinks He’s got Him destroyed. But, all of a sudden God started talking.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN, April 21, 1991)
    The cross wasn’t enough, Jesus redeemed us in hell

    “When Jesus cried, ‘It is finished!’ He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. There were still three days and nights to go through before He went to the throne…Jesus’ death on the cross was only the beginning of the complete work of redemption.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Jesus — Our Lord of Glory, Believer’s Voice of Victory Magazine 10, 4; April 1982, p. 3)

    “Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross and took His spirit to the dark regions of hell”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Holy Bible: Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition, 1991, p.129)

    “He [Jesus] allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell….He allowed Himself to come under Satan’s control…every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him….They tortured Him beyond anything anybody had ever conceived. For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Price of It All, 3)
    Jesus died spiritually

    “Jesus had to go through that same spiritual death in order to pay the price. Now it wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin, because if it had of been any prophet of God that had died for the last couple of thousand years before that could have paid that price. It wasn’t physical death anybody could do that.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Satan Saw on the Day of Pentecost, audio tape #020022)
    Jesus was the first born again man

    “He allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived … Every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him … [They] tortured Him beyond anything that anybody has ever conceived … In a thunder of spiritual force, the voice of God spoke to the death-whipped, broken, punished spirit of Jesus … [in] the pit of destruction, and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life … He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles … Jesus Christ dragged Satan up and down the halls of hell … Jesus … was raised up a born-again man … The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited … !”

    Kenneth Copeland (“The Price of it All,” Believer’s Voice of Victory, September 1991, p. 4)

    “In hell He [Jesus] suffered for you and for me. The Bible says hell was made for Satan and his angels. It was not made for men. Satan was holding the Son of God there illegally … The trap was set for Satan and Jesus was the bait.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Walking in the Realm of the Miraculous, 1979, p. 77)

    “The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Substitution and Identification, tape #00-0202, side 2)

    ” …that Word of the Living God went down into that pit of destruction and charges the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly, His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil has never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex his spiritual muscles… Jesus was born again — the firstborn from the dead.”

    Kenneth Copeland (The Price of it All, Believer’s Voice in Victory, vol 19 September 1991, p.9)

    “He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason… There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)
    Anyone could have redeemed us

    “It wasn’t a physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin…anybody can do that.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Satan Saw on the Day of Pentecost, audiotape #BCC-19, side 1)

    “Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only. When He said ‘It is finished’ on that cross, He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. The plan of redemption had just begun; there were still three days and three nights to be gone through.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    “The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Substitution and Identification, 1989, tape #00-0202, side 2)
    The church is in control, not God

    “As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, p. 32)
    God is banned from the earth until the church unleashes him/allows him in

    “God’s on the outside looking in. He doesn’t have any legal entree into the earth. The thing don’t belong to Him. You see how sassy the Devil was in the presence of God in the book of Job? God said, “Where have you been?” Wasn’t any of God’s business. He [Satan] didn’t even have to answer if he didn’t want to … God didn’t argue with him a bit! You see, this is the position that God’s been in … Might say, “Well, if God’s running things He’s doing a lousy job of it.” He hadn’t been running ’em, except when He’s just got, you know, a little bit of a chance.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Image of God in You III, 1989, audiotape #01-1403, side 1)

    “Here’s where we’re gonna depart from ordinary church: Now, you see, God is injecting His Word into the earth to produce this Jesus — these faith-filled words that framed the image that’s in Him … He can’t just walk onto the earth and say, “Let it be!” because He doesn’t have the right. He had to sneak it in here around the god of this world that was blockin’ every way that he possibly could.”

    Kenneth Copeland (The Image of God in You III, 1989, audiotape #01-1403, side 2)

    “The Bible says that God gave this earth to the sons of men … and when [Adam] turned and gave that dominion to Satan, look where it left God. If left Him on the outside looking in … He had no legal right to do anything about it, did He? … He had injected Himself illegally into the earth — what Satan had intended for Him to do was to fall for it — pull off an illegal act and turn the light off in God, and subordinate God to himself … He intended to get God into such a trap that He couldn’t get out.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017)

    “Adam committed high treason, and at that point, all the dominion and authority God had given to him was handed over to Satan. Suddenly, God was on the outside looking in … After Adam’s fall, God found Himself in a peculiar position … God needed an avenue back into the earth … God laid out His proposition and Abram accepted it. It gave God access to the earth and gave man access to God … Technically, if God ever broke the Covenant, He would have to destroy Himself.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, pp. 8-11)

    “God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s going to have to be in agreement with a man here.”

    Kenneth Copeland (God’s Covenants With Man II, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1)
    These men think they’re Gods!

    “Jesus is no longer the only begotten Son of God.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Now We Are In Christ Jesus, 1980, p. 24)

    “You are not a spiritual schizophrenic — half-God and half-Satan — you are all-God”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Now We Are in Christ Jesus, 1980, p.16-17)

    “You don’t have a god in you, you are one”

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Love, 1987, audiotape #02-0028, side 1)

    “I say this with all respect so that it don’t upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, ‘I Am,’ I just smile and say, ‘Yes, I Am, too!'”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN July 9, 1987)

    “Now Peter said by exceeding great and precious promises you become partakers of the divine class. All right, are we gods? We are a class of gods!”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Praise The Lord, TBN February 5, 1986)

    “Adam was created in God’s own image and likeness, a spirit-being…[and] takes on the nature of his spiritual father or lord.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Our Covenant with God, 1987, p.7-8)

    “Gods reason for creating Adam was his desire to reproduce himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself. And in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God, He was not almost like God, He was not subordinate to God even … Adam was as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus. Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh”

    Kenneth Copeland (Following the faith of Abraham Audio, #01-3001 side 1)
    The Anointing

    “Believers are not to be led by logic,” he writes. “We are not even to be led by good sense”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 7)

    “You have the same creative faith and ability on the inside of you that God used when he created the heavens and the earth.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Inner Image of the Covenant, side 2)
    The 100 fold theory

    “Do you want a hundredfold return on your money? Give and let God multiply it back to you. He urges his supporters, “Invest heavily in God; the returns are staggering, … “Every man who invests in the Gospel has a right to expect the staggering return of one hundredfold.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Laws of Prosperity , pg.67)
    The importance of earthly riches

    “The basic principle of the Christian life is to know that God put our sin, sickness, disease, sorrow, grief, and poverty on Jesus at Calvary,” he asserts. “For Him to put any of this on us now would be a miscarriage of justice.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Troublemaker, 6)

    “Well, they say, you need balance in this, get out there in that hyper faith, that name-it-and-claim-it, that blab-it-and-grab-it. YEAH! We named it and claimed it and got it. (crowd cheers) Blabbed it and grabbed it and still got it ! Hallelujah! And our bills are paid.”

    Kenneth Copeland (speaking at John Hagee’s Church, August 18, 1999)
    Health is yours for the claiming

    “You began to meditate on those scriptures until you built an inner image of yourself healed. As that image grew more crisp and clear, you began to expect — or hope for — that image to become a reality. Eventually, faith rose up, put substance to that internal image and turned it into an external reality. That spiritual process always works the same way. Hope forms the image according to the Word, then faith rises up and gives substance to that image, making it a reality in the natural, physical realm. … Actually, what you did is activate the scriptural process described in Hebrews 11:1 “Faith is the substance of things hoped for … Boil it down to its simplest form, and you could write it like this: God’s Word+Hope+Faith=Manifestation! … You’ll be expecting the very presence of God to rise up in you so powerfully that instead of believing for healing every six weeks, you’ll walk in divine health every day!”

    Kenneth Copeland (“Expect The Glory”, Believer’s Voice of Victory magazine, January 1998, p. 5)

    “… It wasn’t Peter’s shadow that healed them. What was it? That field of Glory that surrounded him. That’s what [sic] God put hope in you to expect. The Glory! … It will flood the earth when we meditate upon the Glory of God so much that hope rises up and produces an image. Then faith will release the Glory of God from the inside of us where we can’t see it to the outside where we can see it! … Does this sound wild to you? Well, it’s not! If you’ll go back and read the Bible, you’ll see that’s what Christianity is all about. God intended for the Body of Christ to walk through this earth with such a manifestation of His presence in our lives that it would either scare people spitless … or draw them into the Kingdom of God!”

    Kenneth Copeland (“Expect The Glory”, Believer’s Voice of Victory magazine, January 1998, p. 6)
    Results of lack of faith

    “God cannot do anything for you apart or separate from faith,”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Freedom from Fear, 1983, 11)
    4th Dimension of non-carnal attainment

    “Pray to yourself, because I’m in your self and you’re in My self. We are one Spirit, saith the Lord.”

    Kenneth Copeland (“Believer’s Voice of Victory”, Feb. 1987, p.9)
    The faith force

    “Faith is a power force,” he claims. “It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 1989, 10)

    “Faith is a spiritual force….It is substance. Faith has the ability to effect natural substance.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, 8)

    “The force of gravity…makes the law of gravity work…this force of faith…makes the laws of the spirit world function.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Laws of Prosperity, 1974, 18-19)

    “Faith is God’s source of power”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, 8)

    “Faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer II, 1987, audiotape #01-0302, side 1)

    “The force of faith was controlling His (Jesus’) ministry.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Force of Faith, 9)

    “Man was created to know that great life force and he longs for it in his dreams. Adam had that life force in him before he committed high treason”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, side 2)

    “God did not create the world out of nothing, He used the Force of His Faith.”

    Kenneth Copeland (pirit, Soul, & Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)

    “Faith is God’s source of power”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Freedom From Fear, 1983. p. 12)
    Words are spiritual containers

    “Words are spiritual containers,”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 15; cf. 14)

    The “force of faith is released by words.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer II, 1987, audiotape #01-0302, side 1)

    “God used words when He created the heaven and the earth….Each time God spoke, He released His faith — the creative power to bring His words to pass.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Power of the Tongue, 1980, 4)

    “As a born-again believer, you are equipped with the Word. You have the power of God at your disposal. By getting the Word deep into your spirit and speaking it boldly out your mouth, you release spiritual power to change things in the natural circumstances.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Power of the Tongue, 1980, 15)

    “Words create pictures, and pictures in your mind create words. And then the words come back out your mouth….And when that spiritual force comes out it is going to give substance to the image that’s on the inside of you. Aw, that’s that visualization stuff! Aw, that’s that New Age! No, New Age is trying to do this; and they’d get somewhat results out of it because this is spiritual law, brother.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Believer’s Voice of Victory, TBN, March 28, 1991)

    “Words are the most sacred things….This is a word planet…governed by words…created by words….Words cause it to function…cause life…cause death….Words go on forever….Words are holy.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (The Abrahamic Covenant, side 1)
    Sensual manifestations

    “Everything that you’re able to see or touch, anything that you can feel, anything that’s perceptive to the five physical senses, was originally the faith of God, and was born in the substance of God’s faith.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Spirit, Soul, & Body Part 1, 1985, audiotape #01-0601, side 1)
    Above Reproach – testing their spirits

    [Copeland claims Jesus told him personally in a vision:] “Don’t be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of Me, should they not speak that way of you? The more you get to be like Me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and He was in Me. Hallelujah. That’s what you’re doing.”

    Kenneth Copeland (“Take Time To Pray,” Believer’s Voice of Victory 15, February 1987, 9)
    God is the biggest failure in the bible

    “I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is…The biggest one in the whole Bible is God…I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least – that’s a big loss, man….Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Praise-a-thon on Praise The Lord, April 1988)
    Jesus was raped by Roman soldiers

    “Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that’s ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The Bible’s very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put Him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn’t bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn’t know firsthand what it’s all about. He’s been where you are. I don’t care what you’ve been through, Jesus has been through it. And everythings done to him that we couldn’t even speak of.”

    Kenneth Copeland (The Resurrection Truth)
    God’s physical description

    “God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words. These words struck Adam’s body in the face. His body and God’s were exactly the same size.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Holy Bible, Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991, p. 45)

    “If you stood Adam upside God, they look just exactly alike….If you stood Jesus and Adam side-by-side, they would look and act and sound exactly alike….The image is that they look just alike, but the likeness is that they act alike and they are alike….All of God’s attributes, all of God’s authority, all of God’s faith, all of God’s ability was invested in that man.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Authority of the Believer IV? 1987, audiotape #01-0304), side 1)

    “The Bible said He measured the heavens with a 9 inch span. Now the span is the difference, distance between the end of the thumb and the end of the little Finger. And, and that Bible said, in fact the amplified translation translates the Hebrew text that way. That He measured out the heavens with a 9 inch span. Well, I got a ruler and measured mine, and my span’s 8 3/4 inches long. So now God’s span is a quarter of an inch, a quarter inch longer than mine. So you see, that faith didn’t come billowing out of some giant monster somewhere. It came out of the heart of a being that is very uncanny the way He’s very much like you and me. A being that stands somewhere around 6′ 2 “, 6′ 3”, that weighs somewhere in the neighbourhood of a couple of hundred pounds, little better, has a span of 8 and, I mean nine inches across – stood up and said “Light be [Let it be?]”, and this universe situated itself and went into motion. Glory to God.”

    Kenneth Copeland (“pirit, Soul, & Body Part 1” 1985, audio tape #01-0601, side 1)

    God is a “spirit-being with a body, complete with eyes, and eyelids, ears, nostrils, a mouth, hands and fingers, and feet.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Kenneth Copeland ministry letter, 21 July 1977)
    The Womb-Man

    “Adam was made in the image of God. He was as much female as he was male. He was exactly like God. Then God separated him and removed the female part. Woman means ‘man with the womb.’ Eve had as much authority as Adam did as long as they stayed together.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Sensitivity of Heart, KCP Publications, 1984, p. 23)

    “Then, he created Eve out of Adam. Now, actually God didn’t name her Eve, Adam named her Eve later. That wasn’t her name, her name was Adam … Adam. When God said Adam, they both came. Their authority was one and the same together. They did everything together. They had always been together. Even when she was still part of him, he was as much female as he was male, LIKE GOD IS. And God separated the female part of him and then put them back together. And she was Adam, they were Adam. He was the man, she was the woman. She was the man with the womb.”

    Kenneth Copeland ((Transcribed From A Message Given By Kenneth Copeland, Paw Creek Ministries) )
    God lives on the mother planet

    “Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)

    “You don’t think earth was first, do you? Huh? Well, you don’t think that God made man in His image, and then made earth in some other image? There is not anything under this whole sun that’s new. Are you hearing what I’m saying? This is all a copy. It’s a copy of home. It’s a copy of the Mother Planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like His and put us on it.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape, #01-3001, side 1)
    I have met and/or spoken to Jesus

    (Relating Jesus speaking) “Don’t be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of Me, should they not speak that way of you? The more you get to be like Me, the more they’re going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah.”

    Kenneth Copeland (“Take Time to Pray,” Believer’s Voice of Victory, February 1987, p. 9)
    Research Links

    * http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/c53.html
    * http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/copeland/general.htm
    * http://www.letusreason.org/Wf19.htm
    * http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kcopeland.html

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    Kenneth Copeland Says That ANYONE Could Have Died For Our Sins!

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    Anyone could have redeemed us

    “It wasn’t a physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin…anybody can do that.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (What Satan Saw on the Day of Pentecost, audiotape #BCC-19, side 1)

    “Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only. When He said ‘It is finished’ on that cross, He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. The plan of redemption had just begun; there were still three days and three nights to be gone through.”

    Kenneth Copeland (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

    “The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”

    Kenneth Copeland (Substitution and Identification, 1989, tape #00-0202, side 2)

    http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=aquote&id=7 

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    Kenneth Copeland Says That God Is A Failure!

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    God is the biggest failure in the bible

    “I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is…The biggest one in the whole Bible is God…I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least – that’s a big loss, man….Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.”?

    Kenneth Copeland (Praise-a-thon on Praise The Lord, April 1988)

    http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=aquote&id=7 

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    Kenneth Copeland Teaches That Jesus Christ Was Raped!

    Posted by Job on September 18, 2007

    Jesus was raped by Roman soldiers

    “Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that’s ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The Bible’s very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put Him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn’t bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn’t know firsthand what it’s all about. He’s been where you are. I don’t care what you’ve been through, Jesus has been through it. And everythings done to him that we couldn’t even speak of.”
    Kenneth Copeland (The Resurrection Truth)

    See link: http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=aquote&id=7 

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    Is Your Pastor A Freemason? Are You?

    Posted by Job on September 17, 2007

    From Spiritual Pathways Ministries spm100.wordpress.com

    Is Your Pastor A Freemason? Are You?

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    Christians, Now They Have Preachers For Animals!

    Posted by Job on August 27, 2007

    From a comment on Michael Vick Case: More Proof That The Media Hates You, Christians!:

    Hi,
    You know, I couldn’t make things like this up if I tried. This is what Christianity is coming to, people. I keep trying to warn you,

    This Press Release is in memory of the animals tortured and slaughtered in dog fighting. As personally satisfying as it would be to spay and neuter Michael Vick (with no anesthesia), we prefer to teach people how animals SHOULD BE TREATED, and what a blessing they are in our lives. Thanks for reading it and passing it on. ~ Nancy Cronk at www.AnimalChaplains.com.
    Press Release August 22, 2007

    “Animal Chaplains To Honor and Bless All Creatures on World Animal Day”

    ~ from the Interfaith Association of Animal Clergy

    While Americans have watched in horror as celebrity athlete Michael Vick admits being a willling participant in one of the cruelest, most horrific crimes against animals ever committed, America needs an emotional healing. That day is World Animal Day.

    In what will look like a scene from the popular family movie, “Evan Almighty”, scores of Animal Chaplains around the world will bless hundreds, perhaps thousands of animals in many different settings on October 4th 2007. At a pet cemetery on the east coast, to a city park in the desert, to a sandy beach on the west coast, they will walk in on a leash, fly in on a harness, and slither in their cages. Barking, mewing, bleating, mooing, whinnying and purring will join human voices in hymns of praise and worship. World Animal Day is a day dedicated to honoring, blessing, and protecting animals all over the world.

    World Animal Day was founded at an ecologist’s convention in Florence, Italy in 1931 as a way of highlighting the plight of endangered species. October 4th was chosen as World Animal Day because it is also the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi, a Catholic Church holiday which is often celebrated with an annual “blessing of the pets”. Since then, it has grown to encompass all kinds of animal life and has been widely celebrated around the world. Churches and synagogues in many faiths traditions have adopted “Pet Blessing Day” or “World Animal Day” in increasing numbers every year.

    The Interfaith Association of Animal Chaplains prepares for World Animal Day by referring its members and visitors to the official World Animal Day website. The site provides ideas and resources to individuals, families, community groups and congregations everywhere. People can post their pledge for volunteering at a World Animal Day event. In addition to blessing pets, volunteers will work at animal shelters, zoos, rescues, and other nonprofit organizations. Dogs will be walked, cats will be brushed, horses will be groomed, and fish will benefit from freshly cleaned tanks. Donations will be given to animal welfare agencies, and pets will be adopted. School children will collect pet food to be donated to charities, and bake sales and car washes will be held as fundraising events. Veterinary clinics will hold free spay and neuter days, or may offer to vaccinate pets at no charge. All over the world, on the very same day, the well-being of animals will be on the minds of millions of people.

    Interfaith Chaplain Nancy Cronk feels a day honoring animals is very important at a time when the headlines speak of animal cruelty such as athlete Michael Vick’s alleged ties to illegal dog fighting. Animal Chaplains would like everyone to know that every major faith endorses the responsible stewardship of the earth and all of its creatures. “Deliberate harming of animals is in direct opposition to teachings in all of the major world faiths. Caring for animals is our global spiritual responsibility. If we can teach this ethic to all of our children, animal abuse and suffering will someday become a distant memory”.

    To find out how to get involved on World Animal Day, go to www.WorldAnimalDay.org.uk. and to www.AnimalChaplains.com. To find out more about Animal Chaplains, go to

    (This article may be reprinted.)

    Nancy J. Cronk
    Founder, Chair and Chaplain
    Interfaith Association of Animal Chaplains
    www.AnimalChaplains.com
    Email: AnimalClergy@aol.com

    This is what it is coming to, Christians. I keep trying to warn you, but frequently I get “Christian” scoffers like this:

    Kirk Says:

    1. August 27th, 2007 at 3:44 pm eChristians like you make me sad. Always playing the victim. You make the rest of us look like whimpering cry-babies and I wish you’d stop it. Not all Christians are weak little whiners!“…the media is trying to use this case to fan the flames of anger of those who love animals more than people against Christians…”*sigh* Talk about a contrived statement. I suppose the fact the sitcom “Will and Grace” enjoyed 194 episodes was also a direct attack on Christians, right? And Scorsese directed “The Last Temptation of Christ” while sipping stem-cells and plasma from a severed goat’s horn in an attempt to summon Azazel, is that it?Cripes, get over yourself. Stop making Christians look so lame. I’m tired of people rolling their eyes at me when they find out I’m Christian just because they’ve had to suffer your brand of anemic bellyaching.

    People who do not believe what the Bible has to say about how the world has rejected Christ and hates all who are in Christ … well let me just tell you that you are in for a major attitude adjustment. The scriptures are true. The great tribulation is coming, and it and the dark days leading up to it will be a time of A) great apostasy in the church and B) hostility towards legitimate Christians on a scale that has never been seen before. The Roman Empire throwing Christians to the lions? The Inquisition burning Christians at the stake? The crimes committed against Christians by Marxist regimes? Get ready for that and more. I am not saying that it is going to happen tomorrow or even in the next 20 – 30 years, because a lot of things still have to be fulfilled before that time of great evil and sorrow comes. I am just watching and pointing out the times; how depraved the world is getting on one hand, and how hostile people are becoming to legitimate Christianity on the other.

    And when you think about it, why not have preachers for animals? Again, it is a perfectly linear logical progression from evolution. And since the Christian left has long fully embraced evolution, calling those who reject it dangerous fanatics (and even holding special “Evolution Sunday” observances in their churches) there is absolutey no reason not to withhold yourself from serving animals through the clergy. If you reject the notion that God intervened in history to create man in His own Image, then what theological basis does one have to make a separation between man and animals? Even better: why should the worship of a man please God any more than the worship of an animal? Why should not animals stand in judgment before God just like men? And if you are going to reduce Christianity to morals and ethics … well then is not sending your canine to dog obedience school so that it will not misbehave and spaying or neutering your animal so that it will not be irresponsible with its reproductive behavior the same as leading your animal down the path of righteousness through good works (which, after all, is what abiblical Christianity is all about in all of its forms whether liberal or conservative – good works)? I mean, if people can do good works, why not animals? Justification by works does not require faith, so why should the fact that an animal does not have the capacity for faith be held against it?

    And this is the best part: if nonsense like this is going on in 2007, imagine how bad it is going to be in 2017! In 2027! I know, some of you Christians are itching for the rapture precisely because you cannot imagine things getting any worse than they are now, and if it does you do not want to see it. As a matter of fact, I am convinced that such thinking played a part in John Hagee going off the deep end, abandoning fundamentalism for dual covenant theology and trying to get Bush to attack Israel so that the rapture will happen before he will have to deal with a Hillary Clinton presidency. But I cannot afford to have that mentality. I am getting ready for a longterm fight. So the question is: what about you? Whose side are you on? Good? Evil, or lukewarm? I urge you to answer the question by coming onto the Lord’s side and by following The Three Step Salvation Plan right now!

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    Paula And Randy White’s Apostastic Statement On Their Divorce

    Posted by Job on August 26, 2007

    Update: see Paula White Claims That Jesus Christ Died In Vain!

    From news article: Megachurch founding pastors to seek divorce. This will take the form of a “running commentary” type of deal. I am not glorifying in misfortune or mocking them; this is for the sole purpose of letting people know that they shouldn’t have been following Whites or preachers like them in the first place, and if they are they should stop. People, having a “happy successful marriage” according to the selfish carnal worldly desires of your own flesh is part and parcel of the prosperity doctrine, and in one week two of the most prominent teachers of it: Paula and Randy White and Juanita Bynum and Bishop Weeks III, have been shown not to be practicing what they preach. And no wonder. The prosperity doctrine is based on promises made to the nation of Israel under the old covenant, not to individuals in the church under the new covenant. In order to have a lasting Christian marriage, you have to learn about the new covenant and live under its terms: you, your spouse, and any children that God sees fit to bless you with. If you aren’t willing to do that, then just take Paul’s advice and don’t get married! Realize that under the old covenant, a major purpose of marriage was to propagate the Jewish race, religion, and nation so that God the Father could use it to bring Jesus Christ into the world. That does not apply to us! Under the new covenant, marriage is to be within the Body of Christ, and therefore being married to your spouse is a “type”, a representation, of being married to God Himself. That is why the New Testament says that a man is to love his wife as Christ loved the church, and that a woman is to submit to her husband. That is why where the old covenant’s reasons for divorce and remarriage were quite liberal, the new covenant only allows one party divorce if the other party defiles the covenant – which is the same as defiling the Body of Christ – with sexual immorality, and remarriage is only allowed if the other party abandons you for another – again tantamount to their leaving the Body of Christ for another religion.

    The new covenant is all about following the example of Christ, and the example of Christ is that of service, submission, and self – sacrifice. Just as Christ submitted Himself to the Father, served man, and sacrificed Himself to cover our sins, Christian husbands and wives are to do the same: submit to God and each other, serve God and each other, and sacrifice their own wants, needs, and desires for the marriage, with the goal being not to honor yourself or your spouse, but God. You are supposed to have faith that if you do these things, GOD will bless your marriage by giving you AND your partner peace, charity, and joy in it through the fruits of the Holy Spirit. This whole introducing the prosperity doctrine into marriage – emblemized by the fur coats that Randy was buying Paula and the huge diamond ring that Thomas Weeks III bought Juanita Bynum. It takes the focus off God and puts it onto the individual, turning marriage from an institution where the participants seek to please God in spirit to one where the participants try to use religion to please their flesh. But let me warn you: the couple that calls itself Christian while trying to primarily please themselves or each other instead of serving God will only wind up perverting everything about the marriage, even the good things that God gave them that were to be holy and righteous. That is what I was saying in my response to Pastor Anavah (who now has her own weblog, click here to visit it) in Is Bishop Thomas Weeks III A Wife Beater? We Know He’s A Heretic!. So now, the article on the Whites:

    TAMPA — Megachurch pastors Randy and Paula White stood before their congregation Thursday night and made the announcement that many in their flock feared had been coming for months. They are divorcing. (So if “the flock” knew that their marriage was going to break up, thereby exposing their entire ministry as a lie, why were they still attending the church? Remember: it was the second marriage for both. Please remember what Paul wrote in Timothy about the qualifications for a pastor or church officer: a man that does not have control over his own house – which, as I said earlier, will happen because the man is not living in submission to Jesus Christ – should not serve in that position. I suppose that one could be liberal with this and make allowances for his first divorce. But after his second marriage begun to collapse, it should have been obvious to these people that this was not a man following God and that it was time to follow a new church. It is appalling how Christians are now following preachers that swap wives like Hollywood celebrities.)

    “It is the most difficult decision that I have had to make in my entire life,” said the Rev. Randy White, 49. (So your first divorce was easier? If so, why?) “I take full responsibility for a failed marriage -100 percent. I don’t blame Paula, and I don’t blame other parties. But as the man of the house, I take full responsibility for that.” (According to the Bible, this can only be so if Randy White was committing adultery or some other form of sexual immorality. If that was not the case, then he is lying. Either she is 100% at fault for abandoning him, or they are equally at fault for mutually consenting to the sin of divorce. Even if in private one party initiated the divorce and the other party opposes it but has no choice – and there is evidence that such is indeed the case – then the fault is still mutual for putting on this show for public appearances. If one party is trying to live according to the Bible here, that party is obligated to GOD to let his or her attempts to remain faithful to scripture known, not to the reputation of the one that is sinning by leaving. God calls on us to forgive sinners, not to make a mockery of His scriptures in order to save their reputations – and their financially lucrative ministries.)

    He praised his wife, calling her an exceptional woman and a great preacher and wife. (Anyone who has been to her website, her Myspace.com page, or has seen her play the sexual exploitation game with Tyra Banks would disagree.)

    Standing by his side and appearing to fight back tears, the Rev. Paula White called the decision to divorce “one of the most painful of our lives.” (As I have frequently stated in my criticisms of women who defy scripture by taking the roles of pastor or others in authority in the church, they have the ability to use emotional manipulation to avert personal responsibility for their actions, something that would never be tolerated in a man, and therefore making it virtually impossible for the Body of Christ to hold its officers accountable for scripture. Which is, of course, a main reason why male pastors like Randy White find it so convenient to have his wife be the co – pastor: he can just have her come out and cry to cover up not only her misdeeds but also to run interference for his. Please note how the controversies regarding both the Whites and the Bynum-Weeks are already being viewed by many as personal marital disputes and not spiritual ones involving people with positions of authority, influence, and responsibility that require accountability to scripture. A secular corporation would never allow the chief financial officer to bring out and allow his wife to cry and carry on to cover him for embezzling or fraud, why the church has lower standards than secular corporations is something that we will be judged for.)

    “But God always comes to you in the dark places of life,” White said, standing beside her husband in the pulpit. (Anyone ever hear of going to a righteous holy God that hates sin with sorrow and repentance so that He will graciously allow you to return to fellowship with Him, and to pledge to keep His commandments? I suppose that it is not a part of their teaching.)

    White, 41, also offered a note of optimism.

    “It’s not the end of the story for Randy or Paula or maybe even Randy and Paula,” she said. (Today? No. But the day of the Lord is coming, and THAT DAY will be your end unless you repent.)

    The couple, who have both been married and divorced before, did not say what caused their breakup. They also did not detail if they had filed for divorce. They have grown children from previous relationships but none together.

    Word about trouble in the couple’s marriage has circulated for months. The Whites’ disparate ministry paths have fueled much of the concern. Randy White, a bishop (ordained as one by whom?) at Without Walls International Church, has been spending time in Malibu, Calif., in hopes of establishing a ministry on the West Coast. Paula White, the church’s senior pastor (so much for being in subjection to your husband as scripture requires) and a sought-after televangelist, keeps an apartment in New York City, where she recently opened a new ministry and self-help center in July. (Make no mistake: they have been planning this for awhile. Just as companies plan mergers, the Whites have been planning their split in a way where they will remain rich and their “ministries” financially lucrative.)

    The couple, arguably the most prominent evangelical partners in the state, said they made their announcement at Thursday night’s service to tell their church “family” before word of their separation appears in the local and national media.

    The Whites’ split calls into question the future of the 22,000 member megachurch, which the couple founded as South Tampa Christian Center in 1991. During their announcement, which came just before the sermon, the Whites sought to put those concerns to rest.

    Randy White said he would continue to lead Without Walls and would focus on being a “great pastor” and a “great dad.” (Don’t worry, you will always have a place where you can follow a false preacher apostate’s man – pleasing false gospel. No need to worry about finding a real church with a pastor that is at least TRYING to obey scripture.)

    Paula White said she would also continue to preach at Without Walls when invited by her husband. (Yep. If she will preach for oneness pentecostal cult heretics like Jakes and Noel Jones, she will preach for her ex – husband. The money is good either way, and you KNOW it will make for a great TBN Praise The Lord special about how in Christ we can set aside everything, including what the Bible tells us to do, and come together in unity.) She also said Paula White Ministries would continue to be based in Tampa.

    Several hundred Without Walls members were in the audience for the announcement (out of 20000+?) . As the Whites spoke, some people in the crowd cried (not for the reason that Jeremiah did in Lamentations, of course). Others appeared stunned, noticeable by the audible gasps in the cavernous sanctuary.

    Warming herself outside the church, one woman said “God knows best,” before being told by another member to avoid talking to the media. At least one Without Walls member said the church was hurting and lashed out at a reporter for being on site to witness the announcement. (That is a way to win hearts for the gospel: abusing reporters and conspiring to silence. And it isn’t about what God wants, but how we feel, right?)

    The church broadcasts its services via the Internet at Streaming Faith (the same people that dumped Reuben Armstrong for telling the truth about false preachers like Paula White Streaming Faith Dumps Reuben Armstrong! and is not run by Christians and is trying to use the technology developed by Christians to spread the gospel to get into the Internet pornography business More Trouble For Streaming Faith! Make no mistake, it is all about the money, people!) . But last night’s announcement was not aired. The video of the broadcast was interrupted without explanation and resumed after the announcement. Inside the church, the preacher for the evening, the Rev. Tim Storey, sought to offer direction to a stunned congregation.

    “How many of you feel sorrow tonight,” Storey asked the crowd. Hands shot up around the sanctuary. “We should. But God is still good.” (How many of you are willing to repent of your sins and follow the true gospel, living your life as governed by the Bible? If you do, please The Three Step Salvation Plan!)

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    To All Defenders Of Juanita Bynum, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, And Other False Preachers: The Cult Of “Do Not Judge”

    Posted by Job on August 23, 2007

    Read: When They Pierced His Side: The Blood And Water Of Jesus Christ

    This is courtesy of Brother Dennis Thompson. Brother Dennis Thompson and I do not agree on everything (see his comment and my response on spiritual warfare) but his comment on An Expose Of Just How Bad Juanita Bynum And Thomas Weeks Are to the many Juanita Bynum defenders on it called The Cult of”DO NOT JUDGE” was too outstanding to remain a mere response to a weblog post: it deserved the spotlight in its own right. Since an Internet search did not turn up the original document in a weblog or website, I will provide the text of Brother Thompson’s comments here. And if you are not saved through Jesus Christ, please follow The Three Step Salvation Plan so that you can be. Salvation can be yours today!

    The cult of “Do not Judge”

    This article is being written on behalf of all the ministries and people that defend the faith with the truth and are accused of judging because they test those who teach falsely with the Word of God.

    The premise-Does God tell us not to judge?
    The Bibles answer-No He does not.

    John 7:24 Jesus says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” What Jesus does tell us is not to judge by our own opinions, but instead judge by the word of God, that is what it means to judge righteously. He always encouraged the people to judge. God told Israel to judge the prophets in the Old Testament. He had the true prophets judge the false but the people reacted saying the very same things people are saying today. Your being negative oh you never have anything good to say. In the New Testament we are told to judge prophecy, to discern, to test the spirits and we are told to test ALL things. We are told to do this because it helps keep us away from what is false and evil. The apostle Paul showed us how to judge so there would be no second guesswork. The apostle Paul said, “If anyone preaches another gospel let him be accursed” Would anyone say to Paul’s face “your judging.” In 2 Thess. 3:14-15 “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” Strong guidelines that many avoid to do today. These are done not to condemn but to bring repentance and restoration.

    Lets let God decide whose right or wrong. Does this sound familiar? Except this particular statement was from a Muslim. But it can be anyone from any religion. Even Christians say we should not pursue a matter to find the truth. I realize that when one’s favorite teacher or leader is questioned the initial human response can be one of agitation and turn to over emotionalism. But when feelings do not subside and escalate into anger, rage, and maliciousness, it is not godly at all. Despite that they believe they have a cause to protect their teacher, it is not advantageous for anyone to have their emotions rule if they are trying to arrive at the truth.

    There has been a trend going on for a number of years that has dulled the spiritual senses of the church and leavened the convictions of many a Christian. It has risen to new heights as of late where if anyone has anything to say about another they are told, “Don’t judge, “touch not my anointed” “do my prophets no harm” etc. Maybe if some of the people that quote these verses would look at what they actually say “in context,” they wouldn’t have such flawed arguments, they would not find themselves becoming entangled emotionally. Its not just finding a few words to prove a position, but what do they mean in the Scripture in its context and can they apply to us today.

    What is ironic is that to tell people they are judgmental is to judge them. What people are doing is recommending for us not to judge by the word of God, but dispense with any discernment, just like they do it. Some even threaten and curse those who test because they cannot deal with the Scriptural proof presented to them. Christians are not to threaten or curse others because they disagree. Neither should they be warning that they are going to prayer, as though God will answer their prayer of vengeance and avenge the persons teaching that was examined and found false. The facts more often than not are; those who say not to judge are incredibly more judgmental then those they accuse of judging.

    One person wrote, “Whether _______ is right or wrong is not up to you to discuss with anyone.” Lets look at this illogical statement. Now we can never discuss doctrine and peoples teachings. This means they too cannot discuss anything that they think, even if it is beneficial! But Heb.6:1-3 tells us we can discuss doctrine. “Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.” In other words many of these things should be settled, but there are many things that are not.

    What I have found is very few challenge back quoting from the Bible to prove their position. Rarely do they say this person does not teach this or you misunderstood, he really means this. What they argue is just don’t test it, or don’t say this because I know such and such for years and they are doing great things for God. That’s judging isn’t it? And it is done by appearance. Then when this does not work they will respond by calling names and threatening people using Bible cliché’s as “don’t judge” “don’t touch God’s anointed,” “do my prophets no harm,” etc., all taken out of context. If they were to think biblically they would realize we are all anointed, not just some, and to come against another brother or sister that is trying to obey Scripture means they too are coming against God’s anointed. Everyone in the body of Christ is anointed; nonetheless what someone teaches is to be tested. How do we know this? Paul commended the Thessalonians for doing so, even when it was Paul himself that was being examined by Scripture (Acts 17:11).That is a right Spirit.

    So many have been indoctrinated into the constraint of don’t say anything against another no matter how far off they are. Let God will deal with them. If this were true, then why are we given all the commands in Scripture to judge? Why all the warnings that deception and falsehood will permeate the Church in the end and we are to be on guard? We are told to deal with it and not allow it to continue. It’s not to say that we make mountains out of molehills, but some are already mountains that need to be moved. So lets speak to the mountain, speak to those who congregate at the foot of it and tell them.

    We should take note, we all judge things all day: let me give some examples. When you sit down you make sure you’re comfortable, you’re judging whether or not you are comfortable. When you eat food at restaurant you judge whether it taste good or bad, and you judge the service you were given. When you bring your car to a mechanic you look for a good one and then you judge if he did a good job. When you buy a product you make sure it works as advertised. When you receive bills in the mail you judge whether they were recorded right. Even in conversations you judge whether someone is telling the truth. So we judge not only every day, but throughout the day. You can’t help but judge! All these things mentioned do not necessarily have an affect on your spiritual life. But the things that actually can affect your spiritual life people are saying, “don’t judge.” If ever a lie of the Devil was told this was it. When the Devil tempted Eve he hoped that she would not judge what he was saying with what God had already spoke. During the conversation (Gen.3) she began to challenge him by the word of God but he responded by bringing doubt on God’s word, saying “has God said?” By the time he was finished she believed the Devil over what God said. She didn’t judge, and instead she and Adam were judged!

    What Has God said?
    Jethro gave advice after seeing Moses was going to be burnt out on ruling. Moses responded in Deut. 1:15-18 “So I took the heads of your tribes, wise and knowledgeable men, and made them heads over you, leaders of thousands, leaders of hundreds, leaders of fifties, leaders of tens, and officers for your tribes. “Then I commanded your judges at that time, saying, ‘Hear the cases between your brethren, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the stranger who is with him. ‘You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small as well as the great; you shall not be afraid in any man’s presence, for the judgment is God’s. The case that is too hard for you, bring to me, and I will hear it.’ “And I commanded you at that time all the things which you should do.” This was the law to Israel and a principle of how they were to live. So they were to judge even the menial matters among themselves. This is made clearer in the New Testament about doctrine.

    This is again repeated in Deut.16:18-19 “You shall appoint judges and officers in all your gates, which the LORD your God gives you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with just judgment.” You shall not pervert justice; you shall not show partiality, nor take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous.”

    Why are some of the most drastic things said by famous people ignored, these scriptures show that it is because people are partial, loyal to the renowned, not caring if they are wrong or right. A bribe can be money or it can be other things such as promises or blessings that will be lost. The outcome is that it twists the words of the righteous when they are manipulated not to say the truth.

    Judges 2:18-19 “And when the LORD raised up judges for them, the LORD was with the judge and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the LORD was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who oppressed them and harassed them. And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they reverted and behaved more corruptly than their fathers, by following other gods, to serve them and bow down to them. They did not cease from their own doings nor from their stubborn way.” The judges were to implement the commands from the word. Notice what happens when there is no judgment to decide what is right or wrong, the people do what they feel like and reap the consequences. The end of the book of judges it tells us what happened, every man did what was right in their own eyes (Judges 17:6, 21:25).

    The judges were restored under Jehoshaphat king of Judah. 2 Chron.19:4-7 “So Jehoshaphat dwelt at Jerusalem; and he went out again among the people from Beersheba to the mountains of Ephraim, and brought them back to the LORD God of their fathers. Then he set judges in the land throughout all the fortified cities of Judah, city by city, and said to the judges, “Take heed to what you are doing, for you do not judge for man but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.” Now therefore, let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take care and do it, for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, no partiality, nor taking of bribes.”

    For even Asaph said in Ps. 82:1-4 “God stands in the congregation of the mighty; he judges among the gods. How long will you judge unjustly, and show partiality to the wicked? Selah “Defend the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy; free them from the hand of the wicked.” People are defenseless from the wicked when they put aside judgment. Today there are many people that are abused by those who Lord it over them, by manipulation, by teachings and promises that never come true. If you have a heart of compassion you cannot just sit idly by while this takes place, even to those you may not know personally. It is being done to the body of Christ and the body of Christ needs to say something.

    What did Jesus actually say on judging?
    Protectors of false teachers will say Jesus said, “not to Judge,” quoting Matthew 7:1, therefore that we cannot “judge.” At first glance it appears that Jesus does forbid judging, but lets continue to read the passage. Matthew 7:1-5: “Judge not, that you be not judged.” For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.” And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?” Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?” Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

    In other words you can judge as along as you are not doing the same thing. If you want to help another and have taken care of yourself in this area, then you are able to see and operate on your brother. Jesus does not say don’t operate under any circumstances, but allows us to remove the speck when we can see. But Jesus goes on and says in v:6: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” What He is saying is that we need to make sure whom we are engaged with. When you try to correct someone with the Holy Word and they are haters of truth they will not receive the pearls and will turn on you. So we are to weigh out whom we give the Word of God out to.

    Christ kept this theme throughout His ministry rebuking the people in Luke 12:55-57 “And when you see the south wind blow, you say, ‘There will be hot weather’; and there is.” Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time? “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?” This was said right after Jesus lectured on His coming, how it would bring division, not unity (Luke 12:56-57).

    Jesus also said “Beware of false prophets!” (Matthew 7:15) this is a warning but comes as a command from our Lord. But how could we “beware” of “false prophets” unless we test what they say? Instead of obeying what Jesus said, some actually ignore this and support them. How? By saying, “don’t test it,” “don’t touch God’s anointed.” They do this because they have been taught “by them” not to question them. Loyalty and respect are good qualities but we cannot fall into the trap that because so and so was in ministry for 20-40 years or we know them personally that they can’t say something terribly wrong. True men of God are willing to be corrected from the Word, no matter who spoke a certain teaching or prophecy.

    “Ye shall know them by their fruits,” Christ said (Matthew 7:16). In judging their “fruits,” we must judge by God’s Word. So what is fruit? Well to understand fruit we need to take a few steps backwards. The seed is the word of God, it is what gives us the new life. As it grows in us we mature until we become like a tree (Psalm 1), for a tree bears fruit. Christ is using a natural example of a spiritual principle– a mature tree bears fruit. If the seed is the word, than the tree and the roots of the tree must be of the word. So a good tree bears good fruit. The fruit can’t be good if it is not based on the word, in other words they need to have correct doctrine and teach right to have good fruit. This does not mean one is right on everything but they will hold to the core teachings and are consistent in these. They will not say one thing one time, and contradict themselves another time.

    In the New Testament this statement sums up what Jesus meant on judging. In John 7:24 says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” Jesus is saying we can “judge” only do it correctly, not by what you see or hear but by the Word of truth. Just because you don’t want to judge does not mean you have the right to tell others not to. To accuse others of doing what the Bible tells us to do– is to judge without a righteous judgment.

    Jesus said in John 5:30 “I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.” To seek God’s will in a matter is to go to Scripture to see what he says on something. Jesus had perfect judgment because he heard from the Father. He also delivered this word to us and says it is not only His Word but the Fathers (Jn.14:24). So if the Word of God is used correctly it is not you or I judging but God, therefore it becomes a righteous judgment.

    Jesus again made it clear how to judge unrighteously “You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. “And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me” (John 8:15-16). Jesus did not judge by appearances, He was able to know the heart. While we do not have the same ability, He has given us directions on how we can judge and be accurate in it. A crooked stick by itself may not show that it is bent, but it will always be seen as crooked when laid next to the straight stick of the word.

    Paul wrote in Phil. 3:15-17 “Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule let us be of the same mind. Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.” Paul used himself and the other apostles as our physical examples in everything. Paul could not deal individually with the many false teachers springing up like weeds in the different areas. Paul said to follow his example as he followed Christ. Christ openly showed what is false, so did Paul, and so did the other apostles. Much of the New Testament was written to publicly correct false teaching within the Church itself. Every second epistle written by an apostle is for correction or judging false doctrine. In 2 Timothy 4:10, Paul judges and warns about a man named Demas. Later in the same epistle (2:17) he warns of the heresies of two others naming them. Paul did a lot of judging and warning when it came to false teachers that could influence the church, because he cared. What if Paul didn’t judge and allowed Alexander to continue teaching, what if Peter let Simon Magus stay in the Church? Think it through!

    We also have permission to judge false doctrine, and those who really care do so.

    What about love?
    John the Baptist called both the Pharisees and Sadducees “a generation of Vipers” (snakes) (Matt. 3:7), he rebuked Herod the king. Today, he would be accused of being unloving, unkind, no respect for leaders and most of all un-Christian. Jesus and Paul would also be accused of being judgmental if one would examine what they actually said. I believe God has been training the Church to recognize error and deception because the real deception that could deceive the elect may be just around the corner. If you can’t judge today’s falsehood you will certainly be unable to tomorrow when things escalate. Is it now unloving to stop someone from going over cliff when you already know where the road ends.

    How else do you protect the sheep if you do not speak out? Let me give a simple example: If someone is selling a false product in your city and numerous people are buying it and becoming sick. What would you do? What if you tried to go to the manufacturer but he would not meet with you because he is an important man in the community and you are not? Do you keep silent and just let it go or is it your duty to let others know? James says not to do something you know is right is sin. So you are sinning if you have any idea it could be wrong. Here in lies the problem, the people who say don’t judge do this for protection of their teachers. But they will often admit that they know there are things wrong, but they have not come to the conclusion of how wrong it is.

    The Apostle Paul also writes: “And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all discernment (judgment) that you may approve things that are excellent in God’s sight.” It is this same love that he applies to Eph. 4:14-15 “that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ” This truth would be the word that would challenge the words from deceivers who are deceived and affecting the body with “winds of doctrine.”

    We are to identify certain people for the brethren’s own safety. We are to identify false teachers for the purpose of protecting the sheep in Christ’s Church, and we certainly don’t need to apologize for this. We are our brothers keeper. This love is a discriminating love, a love that cares enough for others and is not concerned with what people think of you, especially when you know that you are right from the Word.

    Hanging with people who teach falsely will rub off on you, the cliché for self protection “touch not my anointed” becomes “let it be,” it is grinded into the followers and moaned by them toward those who have anything to say about their favorite teachers. One needs to hear both sides before they can make a just decision. Find the proof that what they teach is from the Bible and not from their own imagination of what they think the Bible says.

    Lets look at what those who say not to judge are actually saying the Word of God states, next to what the Word of God actually says.

    Those who say “Don’t judge- 1 Thess. 5:21-22 “Don’t Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”

    The BIBLE-1Thess. 5:21-22 “Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”

    Is it evil to test-NO it is not! We are told to test ALL things, not just pick and choose what and when to test. Now this does not mean we become the judge and jury or walk around with a critical eye on everything. It means we are to be sober and vigilant and not take for granted that everything said is the Gospel.

    Those who say “Don’t judge- I John 4:1-3 “Beloved, do believe every spirit, don’t test the spirits, whether they are of God”

    The BIBLE- I John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

    “Do my prophets no harm.” Meant not to lay hands on them. False prophets were to be rejected and stoned in the Old Testament (Deut.18:20). Instead , Israel killed the true prophets (Mt.23:35-37). No one is laying hands on anyone today. The Bible tells us to judge prophets. 1 Cor. 14:29 “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.” It does not just say let only the other prophets judge, but the “others.” These others may have the gift of prophecy or those gifted in the word and Spirit. This would also relate to 1 Cor.12:10 which tells us one of the gifts of the Spirit is a discerning of spirits. (judging, determining what is from God or not). Exactly what John writes in I John 4:1-3 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God” Here again we are told to judge, and in this case it could mean the whole congregation. The “discerning of spirits” is probably the most needed gift in the end times where Jesus said many false prophets and teachers would be around us. When there is a need God raises up a standard. As Paul continues to write “the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets.” This does not mean we turn over a meeting to false prophets to validate the prior false prophets that spoke. Today we have a repetition of the error of the people in Jeremiah’s time “An astonishing and horrible thing has been committed in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own power; and My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?” (Jer. 5:30-31) He asks a question that we need to answer today. What will you do?

    No person is to be prevented from the right of investigating and comparing with the Bible what is said. Who would desire to prohibit the people from a full and free examination of what is said? Certainly it would not be God who tells us to judge in the Word. The guideline of testing and judging stresses the importance of truth being accepted and error being rejected. It gives accountability for what one says as a teacher to many people, this reduces the margin of error spread to the people.

    Believers are not to avoid judging, just avoid judging with a final condemnation (the eternal destiny of someone). This word judge (Greek-krino) is used over 80 times in the New Testament and it means to call in question, discern, conclude, decree, and determine. The meaning does not mean to condemn in judgment; the context shows we are responsible to correctly evaluate a thing or an act. It does not mean to glean the truth and ignore the false because their good outweighs the bad. We cannot always judge someone’s motives, only God has this kind ability. We are commanded to judge what they spoke, their teachings. God is the ultimate judge on eternal life but we the church are to be keepers of the truth, to do this one must test what is said and reject falsehood.

    Heb. 5:12-14 “For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

    The author tells us that believers who are “mature,” are those who have trained themselves to exercise judgment, to discern between good and evil through the Word, not by feelings. That is judging; those who do not judge are babes in the word. One of the ways to show you are spiritually mature is to seek out a matter on its own without being persuaded by public opinions or the status of a person. People today often trust a person’s position or fame more than the Holy Spirits discernment given in the Word. Error can only be seen as error only when it is measured against the truth. This means judging. If you accept anything everyone says because of who they are you are just a sponge that will soak up both the good and the bad equally. Then the only way we can get rid of the bad is for God to wring it out of you. That is not always a pleasant experience.

    When we ignore the false we are helping the devil’s cause because the truth becomes hidden. The Devil hates the truth because it exposes anything that is false: sometimes it is well hidden. Jesus warned us that false prophets and false disciples would arise and He told us how to know the difference. When somebody says that you are judging, they are wrong, we are inspecting the fruit that comes from the tree and we are told to do so. When we decide what someone is teaching is wrong by the Word that is not our judgment but God’s. But if we decide simply by loyalty and allegiance this does not prove it is true and it becomes what Jesus called judging by appearance.

    Attacks without a biblical case– without the facts proves that one is relying on their feelings and having blind loyalty. One needs to make a case from the Bible or they become guilty of the very thing they accuse others of. Proverbs tells us to hear both sides of a matter before we make a decision.

    When sheep follow sheep instead of the shepherd they will reap the consequences. It’s well known that sheep are some of the dumbest animals on God’s green earth, you and I both are not as smart as we think we are. Peter quotes Isa.53 “For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls (1 Pet. 2:25). Matt. 9:36 “But when he (Jesus) saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.” There are some Christians that confess Jesus as their Lord but instead of him being their shepherd they allow other men to lead them, they listen to their voice telling them what God has said. Certainly God has appointed teachers in the body of Christ, but no one is above scrutiny. Jesus said “But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:26-27). We see this in cults where what the leader of the group says becomes more important than what the Scriptures say. People listen to other men’s interpretation and what “they say God said” without ever going to Scripture to see if it is true. Lets make sure we are listening to the shepherds voice and not another’s.

    What we are not to judge?
    These are just a few things to think about. Col 2:16 “So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths.”

    We are to avoid judgment on days of worship and food lest we stumble someone. Rom 14:10-15 “But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way. I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.” The point Paul is making is not to stumble a brother or sister by your freedom from the Old Testament law. But to allow false teaching to freely take place would be to stumble them.

    Conclusion
    Why do I call this movement of “do not judge” a cult? Because for the most part they follow there leaders advice and not the shepherd of their souls. They are not thinking, as the Bible tells us “to test ALL things.” Many are not being taught to think, instead they have been taught what to think. I know this may be harsh to some, but its telling it straight. When we willfully do what we are told, without our checking it out ourselves, we become like the cults. Those who do not judge teaching are actually disobeying what the Bible tells us to do. And they are telling others to do the same, sometimes by intimidation.

    The early church was apologetic and polemic. They contended for the faith to those outside and had to do the same inside. If we do not take up this same attitude that is clearly presented in the Scriptures, we will be leavened beyond belief. Many of us see this as a very dangerous trend going on inside the Church. It needs to stop and we need to get back to what the Bible actually says.

    2 John 10-11: “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” It may not say the word judge or test but its obvious one must do so to know there is a difference in doctrine. And it is in this “spirit of the text” many other Scriptures are written. Paul writes to Titus about the insubordinate, idle talkers and deceivers “Wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith” (Titus 1:13).

    Jesus commended those who judged to arrive at the truth, “I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false” (Revelation 2:2). All the apostles approved judging those who claimed leadership positions.

    Paul wrote Timothy who was new to the ministry “I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:1-5).

    What afflictions is he talking about? Those who came against Timothy in doing things that are required of God. What things? Convincing, rebuking, and exhorting those who have turned from the truth, God’s word.. If you are one who has learned to discern truth from error, continue to do so, don’t be intimidated. If you have been called to be a watchman and God has given you discernment, use it and don’t let anyone discourage or threaten you, fulfill your ministry.

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    Heresy in the Cathedral

    Posted by Job on August 17, 2007

    From Albert Mohler’s weblog.

    The Rt. Rev. Peter Jensen, Australia’s Archbishop of Sydney, is making headlines for denying a heretic access to the pulpits of the churches under his care. The heretic is the retired bishop of Newark, New Jersey, The Rt. Rev. John Shelby Spong — a man who has denied virtually every major Christian doctrine.

    Heretics are rarely excommunicated these days. Instead, they go on book tours. Bishop Spong is visiting Australia at the invitation of Australia’s Anglican Primate Phillip Aspinall of Brisbane. When Archbishop Jensen denied Bishop Spong access to the pulpits of Sydney, Archbishop Aspinall extended an invitation for Spong to preach in Brisbane’s St. John’s Cathedral.

    As the The Australian reports:

    A row has erupted within the Anglican Church over a visit to Australia by an American cleric who has being accused of modernising Christ to the point of stripping him of all divinity.

    Sydney Archbishop Peter Jensen has taken the extraordinary step of banning John Shelby Spong, a fellow member of the Anglican communion who arrives in Sydney this morning, from churches in his diocese.

    By contrast, Anglican Primate Phillip Aspinall has invited Bishop Spong, a leader of the church’s liberal wing, to deliver two sermons in Brisbane’s St John’s Cathedral.

    John Shelby Spong has written a series of books attacking the central doctrines of the Christian faith. As a matter of fact, he has basically run out of doctrines to deny. He has repudiated the Christian faith as treasured by the faithful Church for two thousand years — the faith of biblical Christianity. This faith is the faith for which the martyrs died.

    Mark Thompson, responding to Bishop Spong in the newspaper of the Sydney archdiocese, noted correctly that “one cannot imagine anyone willing to be martyred for Spong’s Jesus.”

    Even the secular press understands the depths of Bishop Spong’s denial of Christian truth. The Sydney Morning Herald noted that Spong has denied that Jesus was born of a virgin, that Joseph ever existed, that Jesus performed miracles, that He died for our sins, and that He was raised from the dead. He also denies the deity of Christ and the nature of God as a personal being, much less the only true God.  In other books Spong has suggested that the Apostle Paul was a repressed homosexual.  More recently, he has joined the chorus of those suggesting that the death of Christ was necessary for the salvation of sinners amounts to “divine child abuse.” 

    So how would Archbishop Aspinall defend his decision to allow a heretic to preach two sermons in this cathedral? Here is his answer:

    Dr Aspinall defended his decision to welcome the American bishop. “Bishop Spong speaking at St John’s Cathedral is not particularly extraordinary,” he said.

    “That Bishop Spong holds views which some Anglicans might find challenging is no reason to exclude him from speaking.

    “Our church has thousands of members and widely diverse views on a wide variety of subjects. I am sure Anglicans will listen respectfully to the bishop’s views and make their own minds up.”

    Not particularly extraordinary? Given Archbishop Aspinall’s own theological liberalism, that might be frighteningly accurate. What kind of pastor would invite his people to hear a denial of the Christian faith from his own pulpit and then encourage them to “make their own minds up?”

    This controversy in Australia is indicative of the situation we now face in so much of Christianity worldwide.  Archbishop Jensen defends the faith and protects his people and is treated as a divisive figure.  Archbishop Aspinall invites a heretic into his pulpit, explains that this is “not particularly extraordinary,” and is seen as a portrait of magnanimous ecclesiastical leadership.  Bishop Spong gets to sell more books, and the public gets to see a spectacle.

    How profoundly sad . . . and how utterly predictable.

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