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The President Of Notre Dame Called Martin Luther Anti – Christian And Compared His Writings To The Vagina Monologues

Posted by Job on April 20, 2008

I used to be a big fan of Fighting Irish football. Well, NO MORE! Protestants, do not fall for their ecumenism lies. THIS is what Roman Catholics really think of you.

www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=27188

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Roman Catholic Church Moving To Reclaim Martin Luther For Roman Catholicism!

Posted by Job on March 6, 2008

Original post from Christian Research Network. My guess is that it means that the ecumenical movement between Roman Catholics and evangelical Christians is moving along swiftly and excellently. If Pope Benedict reverses the excommunication order of Martin Luther, then there will be nothing preventing granting Protestants some sort of official status. Of course, they will do this for the Orthodox Churches (Russian, Greek, etc.) first before they start wading into the hornet’s nest of Protestantism. However, the Protestant denominations that are already members of the apostate World Council of Churches – and other groups that have strong ecumenical ties with Roman Catholicism and have been moving away from the authority of scripture doctrines – will have no problem whatsoever.

Times On Line with a breathtaking example of fence-straddling and double-speak from the Pope, which comes close to rivaling emerging church guru Brian McLaren himself, the master of talking much and saying nothing:

Pope Benedict XVI is to rehabilitate Martin Luther, arguing that he did not intend to split Christianity but only to purge the Church of corrupt practices.

Pope Benedict will issue his findings on Luther (1483-1546) in September after discussing him at his annual seminar of 40 fellow theologians — known as the Ratzinger Schülerkreis — at Castelgandolfo, the papal summer residence. According to Vatican insiders the Pope will argue that Luther, who was excommunicated and condemned for heresy, was not a heretic…

Perhaps the Pope–usurper of the place of the Holy Spirit–ought to think on the following. Here’s Martin Luther as cited in Has the Roman Catholic Church Really Changed:

The negotiation about doctrinal agreement displeases me altogether, for this is utterly impossible unless the pope has his papacy abolished. Therefore avoid and flee those who seek the middle of the road. Think of me after I am dead and such middle-of-the-road men arise, for nothing good will come of it. There can be no compromise.

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Now this is all part of the “unity” movement that virtually all of Christendom is speaking of these days, especially the neo – evangelicals like Rick Warren and the emergent church. Brother Silva at Apprising Ministries has several entries on that movement and Roman Catholicism, Southern Baptists, and MORMONS:

TRUE UNITY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST

ROMAN CATHOLIC MYSTICISM AND THE EMERGING CHURCH

WALTER MARTIN SPEAKS ON THE EMERGING CHURCH AND THE CULT OF NEW LIBERAL THEOLOGY WITHIN THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION

ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL

MORMON CHURCH IS NOW CHRISTIAN

Between the Purpose Driven works – centered theologians, the emergents, the ecumenical movements, and the Oprah Winfrey New Age movement, the false prosperity doctrine that Pat Robertson and the Chinese government are working together to enslave that nation with, and the emergent Muslims (posts one and two about this at Slice Of Laodicea) we are veering towards one world religion at breakneck speed. All that is needed to push it along is a fantastic economic collapse of global proportions. Well, based on this post by Independent Conservative, looks like that is in the works too!

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Group proposes European churches council to include Roman Catholics

Posted by Job on February 29, 2008

The head of a Europe-wide group of Anglican, Orthodox and Protestant denominations has proposed the creation of a Council of European Churches that would include the Roman Catholic Church.

The President of the Conference of European Churches (CEC), the Rev Jean Arnold de Clermont, put forward the proposal at a recent meeting of the CEC and European Catholic leaders, reports Ecumenical News International.

De Clermont, the recently retired president of the Protestant Federation of France, told the meeting, “I would… suggest that we find the ways and means to come out of our present institutional structures and set ourselves the task in the next 10 years of creating a Council of European Churches, bringing together Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants.”

He said he was making the proposal based on his experiences at the Third Ecumenical Assembly, which brought together 1,500 Christians from the Orthodox, Protestant, Anglican and Roman Catholic traditions in Sibiu, Romania, for nearly a week of ecumenical discussions.

The CEC leader said that denominatinal leaders at Sibiu had allowed institutional and doctrinal barriers to cause them to abandon “any expectation of a patient resolute quest for unity”.

“I had the feeling that I was hearing pleas justifying ecumenical stagnation, arising out of a desire not to expose oneself to challenges from others,” said De Clermont.

“The status quo is all the more pleasant when it is between friends, but it does not seek full visible unity,” he told the London meeting.

“It is not within our competence to make a decision without having a whole process of consultation with our churches,” he said about his proposal for a Council of European Churches.

“But I would at least wish to check with you whether you consider that placing such a challenge before us would serve the cause of Christian unity.”

The Caribbean Conference of Churches, the Middle East Council of Churches and the Pacific Conference of Churches are all regional church bodies which already include the Roman Catholic Church.

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Oh Gee What A Surprise: Roman Catholics Trying To Start Secular Christian Values Charter Schools

Posted by Job on February 19, 2008

Still more evidence that conservative Protestant evangelicals have been taken for a ride by Rome.

D.C. may get 7 ‘values-based’ schools – USATODAY.com

For Catholic schools in the nation’s capital, it’s feast and famine these days.

Donors have helped the Archdiocese of Washington pump $60 million into its schools in the past decade. In 2004, Congress approved a $14 million voucher that paid tuition last year for more than 1,900 students.

But as in other big cities, shifting demographics have drained D.C. of families who want to send their kids to Catholic schools, even when it’s free. And Congress, which is controlled by Democrats, probably won’t renew the voucher program.

Meanwhile, the city is at the heart of the USA’s quiet love affair with privately run, publicly financed charter schools: One in five D.C. students attend a charter.

Faced with a $55 million long-term deficit and the looming closure of nearly half its schools, the archdiocese awaits approval of an unusual proposal: converting a handful of schools to secular “values based” charter schools that reflect Catholic morality but don’t overtly teach church doctrine.
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The bid represents the largest of its kind so far — and though it stands a good chance of approval by the D.C. Public Charter School Board in April, it’s opposed by the National Catholic Education Association (NCEA), which says the schools will lose their greatest strength: their religious character.

“This isn’t a path for everyone,” says archdiocese spokeswoman Susan Gibbs. “But we look around at other dioceses and they close their doors. We couldn’t do that.”

An independent, non-profit board would run the seven proposed elementary schools, with no teaching of Catholic doctrine, no in-school prayer and no religious artifacts on the walls. In fact, none of the proposed charters would be considered “Catholic” schools. Essentially the archdiocese would act as a landlord.

In that sense, it’s similar to arrangements in places such as Buffalo, and Gary, Ind., where church schools have been transformed into non-religious charters.

“We’re sad that they can’t be Catholic schools,” NCEA president Karen Ristau says of the D.C. proposal. “There will be no religious doctrine or celebration of faith or prayer in the school day.”

Though charters enjoy freedom from most regulations on personnel, curriculum, budget and teaching methods, Ristau says religious instruction is still out. “As far as I know, there’s no wiggle room.”

In the past few years, charter schools in Florida, Minnesota and New York that have approached the line between values-based learning and religious instruction have run afoul of critics who say they’re ignoring the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition on government sponsorship of religion.

Ristau calls proposals such as D.C.’s “a temporary solution to a serious problem” facing churches across the nation. Recent data from Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate finds that though the percentage of Americans who are Catholic has remained steady since 1995, the number of Catholic elementary schools dropped about 10%; secondary schools have dropped 2.3%.

“At a time when we’re all trying to figure out how to create good public schools in the inner city, it’s a shame that good public schools in the inner city are going away,” says Mike Petrilli of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, a Washington education think tank.

Gibbs says the archdiocese is keeping its options open. If neighborhoods change, she says, “We still have the buildings. … In 10 years, we may want to open a Catholic school again.”

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JAMES DOBSON ENDORSED MORMON MITT ROMNEY BECAUSE OF LUCRATIVE FINANCIAL TIES TO MORMON CHURCH!

Posted by Job on February 10, 2008

(My note: though he will not say it, it does appear that Bill Keller supports Kenneth Copeland John Hagee hugger Mike Huckabee and is at least in part angry at Dobson for not endorsing him sooner. Still, this is useful in learning about yet another group that funnels money to the religious right deception. It proves yet again that the Bible is right: the love of money is the root of all evil.)

Friday, Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family came out endorsing Mike Huckabee for
President. Let me tell you why: this was nothing but a calculated decision
on Dobson’s part to do damage control. Dobson, just a few days earlier had
stated that he could not vote for John McCain (because McCain had hurt his
feelings by not bowing to him over the years), but NEVER mentioned not
voting for Mitt Romney. As a matter of fact, throughout the past few
months, he denounced Rudy for his stand on killing babies, and rightly so,
but never once renounced Romney for being part of a satanic cult leading the
souls of men to hell. The reason is simple. Dobson has been in bed with
the Mormons through the World Council of Families, an ecumenical group
started and funded by the LDS cult, and no doubt sells lots of his family
books to Mormons who are very pro-family. It was only AFTER ROMNEY QUIT
that he endorsed Huckabee, the only candidate who clearly takes a stand for
Biblical values. What makes this endorsement a joke is that McCain has
virtually locked up the nomination. Dobson has cleverly gone on the record
at this late date supporting Huckabee since he is clearly the choice of most
Christians, in order to stay in the good graces of the people he needs to
support Focus on the Family. A hollow endorsement that is too late and
meaningless other than for damage control to keep him in the good graces of
the people who send in the millions he needs to run his organization.

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JAMES DOBSON ENDORSES MORMON MITT ROMNEY!

Posted by Job on February 6, 2008

I first saw this here but it was confirmed in this devotional as well. Man oh man, I love this election season. So many prominent Christian leaders in the limelight are being exposed for what they are. From the people backing Huckabee despite knowing his connections to the Council on Foreign Relations and to apostates like Kenneth Copeland and John Hagee to Pat Robertson backing Giuliani to the MANY evangelicals and even some fundamentalists backing Mormon Mitt Romney to Donnie McClurkin and many other leading black Christians backing Barack HUSSEIN Obama (here, here, here, here, here, here) well the Lord is exposing for the whole world to see what these prominent Christians are really about and after – the things of this world.Christians, is this the falling away of the American church? If so, make sure that you are not part of that falling away. In a sense, things have been this bad for quite awhile, because the fact that Martin Luther King, Jr. was no better than a Mormon because he did not believe in the deity or resurrection of Jesus Christ despite it being commonly reported … so many people do not know because they do not care to know. And never forget: King’s rise was due to so many alleged Christians, many of them evangelicals and fundamentalists, supporting segregation and racism! Still, I regularly ask some older (than me) Christians have things always been this bad, and even the ones that personally experienced segregation and poverty say without hesitation “No, it wasn’t.”

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the Presidency. The new site features an interactive section with
polls and a great message board where you can post your thoughts and
comments, news notes on the race for the White House, my numerous
Devotionals on Romney and the Mormon church, in-depth writings by an
ex-Mormon that clearly lay out the beliefs and theology of Mormonism,
as well as special videos including the TV program I did in the magical
Mormon underwear worn 24/7 by high level Mormons. Please check it out
and help me by telling everyone you know about this new site, and post
it on every message board and chat room you can find, especially the
sites that cater to politics.

“The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the
shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign
LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!
Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe
yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not
take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the
sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or
searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. So they
were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered
they became food for all the wild animals. My sheep wandered over all the
mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth,
and no one searched or looked for them.” Ezekiel 34:1-6

A sad commentary on so many pastors and Christian leaders right from God’s
Word. Last week I was doing some study in the Book of Ezekiel. In reading
through some passages, I came across these first 6 verses in Ezekiel 34. As
I read these words, I could only think that this was the sad description of
so many pastors and Christian leaders today. 50 years ago, you could sit in
the pew of most any church of any denomination and hear the Truth of God’s
Word. Those pastors and the men and women God raised up on the national
scene were men and women who would never compromise the Truth of the Bible
and understood their only mission was to bring the lost to Christ.

Fast forward to the year 2008 and you have entire denominations of pastors
who don’t even preach, teach or believe the Bible. It is questionable if
many pastors were ever “called” and are even saved. Those who have risen up
into national prominence are more worried about selling books, having the
newest private jet, building bigger buildings, and living like the rulers of
small nations rather than preaching the unadulterated Truth of the Bible and
leading the lost to faith in Jesus Christ. My goodness, you now have
so-called Christian leaders who are endorsing and working for the member of
a satanic cult to become our next President!!!

When these are the men and women leading the people, why are we surprised
that many who sit in the pews of the nations churches on Sunday aren’t even
saved, don’t accept the Bible as Absolute Truth and our only authority, and
the majority of the ones who do lead weak and ineffective lives. That is
why I encourage people all the time to seek out a pastor who is a true
shepherd. That is increasingly difficult today, but there are still many
men of God who have not bowed their knee to Baal and are not the shepherds
described in Ezekiel 34. Sunday is the day most Christians go to church. It
is the only time most of you ever see your pastor, and that is usually from
your seat in the sanctuary as he leads the worship service and preaches the
message.

Having preached in over 500 churches of every denomination nationwide, I can
honestly tell you that for most pastors, Sunday morning is their favorite
day of the week and the one day they usually feel their work for God really
has some meaning. You can never know the pressure most pastors are under. If
it was only getting up on Sunday morning and being the “man of God” it would
be wonderful, but that is not reality. It is a 7-day a week, 24-hour a day
calling. Many have outside jobs. There is the constant pressures of raising
the budget, dealing with the interpersonal problems that always exist when
you have a group of people, overseeing the political infighting that often
occurs, on top of the spiritual requirements of shepherding the flock,
having an anointed word each week for the various services, and other
requirements the office of pastor carries with it.

My prayer for you today is to support your pastor. Pray for your pastor each
day. John 10 gives us the picture of the ideal pastor. Pray that your pastor
will be able to tear away from the distractions of this world to be the
shepherd described in John 10. God has placed that pastor in your life to
guide you, spiritually nurture you, and have spiritual leadership over your
life. Do all you can to show your love and appreciation for all your pastor
does for you, most of which you may not even recognize. Also, God has placed
your pastor in your life for spiritual leadership. When you come into times
of crisis, don’t hesitate to go to your pastor. That is ultimately why they
are there, to help you and guide you through those difficult times in your
life.

I love you and care about you so much. I pray for you daily. Sadly, today
there are too many pastors and Christian leaders who fall into the
description found in Ezekiel 34. It makes the work that much more difficult
when you have people running around calling themselves Christians, but
supporting sins like abortion, homosexuality, the destruction of God’s plan
fo the family. You have others who think there is nothing wrong with
belonging to a cult or false religions and they have bought the
universalistic lie from hell that everyone will get to Heaven.

Let this message today be a remember to lift up your pastor in prayer and
recognize him for all he does for your life. God has called His sheep to be
obedient and obey those in spiritual authority. Take inventory and see if
you are fulfilling this admonition, and ask God to help you. He loves you so
much, that he has placed your pastor in your life to shepherd you and guide
you in your spiritual journey. Show your love for Him today by praying for
and supporting your pastor.

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller bkeller@liveprayer.com

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be cast into everlasting darkness forever separated from God your creator.
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The Sad Truth About Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley And The 200 Year Old Mormon Plot To Take Over America’s Government

Posted by Job on January 29, 2008

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My note: This devotional was written by pastor and televangelist Bill Keller of Live Prayer. I had decided to stop posting Bill Keller’s devotionals that dealt with Mormonism for a time for reasons that I will not get into. But after seeing Glenn Beck exploit the death of Hinckley as an opportunity to promote his religion on CNN last night, I am making a one time exception to my policy. Please note: Keller is right when he says that there is no difference between Mormonism and Islam. So why is the religious right so much more tolerant of one than the other? You know that if Mitt Romney were Muslim, he’d have the same “he is part of a global Muslim conspiracy to take over our government” theories as are circulating about Barack HUSSEIN Obama. I will tell you the reason: race. Mormonism was founded by whites and in America is an overwhelmingly white religion, so they are not only tolerated by the religious right, but are fully embraced by them. Meanwhile, Islam is an Arab religion. That is why the same religious right hypocrites that went nuts over Keith Ellison merely being elected to Congress are actually praying for Mitt Romney to save them from Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain (not that I support any of them either by the way). The way these conservatives, especially Roman Catholics, are claiming that Mitt Romney is the victim of oh so much bigotry after decades of using racism and segregation against BLACKS to build their own party would be hilarious if it wasn’t so evil. (By the way, check out this Roman Catholic pro – segregation site that claims that God never intended for Christianity to spread outside the white race … surprise surprise they like Romney.) It was as if they were saying “Hey evangelicals, Romney is one of us where it really counts, so vote your race, it is more important than your religion!” That is why the same folks on the right who continuously demand that blacks bear the discrimination that we face while picking and grinning about it start braying like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the NAACP whenever Romney’s religion is discussed in any terms other than “oh we can trust Romney to save America because he is a devoted Mormon who believes in Jesus with a beautiful wife and five sons.” Well, again, anyone who doubts that Romney would use the White House to promote his faith not only in America but also overseas (the people that they falsely claim are the cursed seed of Ham and for that reason held them in second class status until 1978 – a fact which conservatives love I bet – apparently are a major mission field for them!) should view Glenn Beck’s performance below.

An evil tool of satan masquerading as a Godly grandfather is buring in hell
for all eternity! Gordon B. Hinckley, the leader of the satanic Mormon cult
is dead at 97. Hinckley saw this cult grow from 9 million members to over
13 million members worldwide during his 12-year reign as its leader. While
Hinckley is already being memorialized as a “great man of God,” the fact is
his life has been an instrument in the hands of satan to help lead the souls
of men to hell by following the false theology of the Mormon cult.

Many people, even Christians will rail against me for being so unkind, but
this only illustrates the problem we have. Even Believers don’t take the
eternal souls of men serious enough. As I state often, this is a battle for
souls. Satan is not playing games and is serious about taking as many souls
into the lake of fire with him as he can. I am saddened at how many
Christians either don’t understand, or don’t want to think about the FACT
that those who die without Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, will pass from
this life into eternal punishment!

I know some people are outraged that I would be “so mean” to call Mormonism
a satanic cult. I receive emails all the time talking about the great works
they do. First, I have no doubt that most Mormons are fine people, good
people, and do great works. But being a good person and doing good works
does NOT get you into Heaven. Only faith in Jesus Christ, the Jesus of the
Bible, will get you into Heaven. The Mormon cult spends tens of millions of
dollars each year in public relations to portray themselves as “just another
Christian church.”

DO NOT LET THEIR ADS FOOL YOU. They are no more a Christian church than your
local mosque is!

The lie of Mormonism that I expose is not a new problem. Paul, himself, had
to deal with the issue of “cults”-those who perverted the Gospel-almost from
the very beginning. He spoke of it often in his writings, as in today’s
anchor verses in his letter to the church at Galatia. This is nothing new.

Here are just a few of the theological issues that makes the satanic Mormon
cult totally inconsistent with Biblical Christianity and why a Mormon is no
more a Christian than a Muslim is. The god of the Mormon cult is NOT the God
of the Bible. Their “god” is named Elohim and was once a man like you and I
who came from another planet. Mormon theology teaches that men can
eventually become a god and have their own planet. When a Mormon talks about
“god,” he is talking about this fictitious god of Mormonism and NOT the God
of the Bible!

This holds true for Jesus. The jesus of Mormon theology is not God incarnate
as the Bible teaches. The Mormon jesus was not supernaturally conceived by
the Holy Ghost, but the natural offspring of their “god” Elohim who had sex
with Mary, meaning he is a created being no different than you and I.
Mormons also teach that their jesus had several wives and children, again,
in compete contradiction to what the Bible teaches. The jesus of the Mormon
cult is also the spirit brother of Lucifer and will return not to the Mt. Of
Olives as the Bible teaches, but to Independence, Missouri to set up his
earthly Kingdom.

When a Mormon talks about “jesus,” he is NOT talking about the true Jesus of
the Bible! What Jesus you put your faith in is so critical, since this is
why anyone who puts their faith in the imaginary jesus of Joseph Smith and
the satanic Mormon cult will die in their sins and their souls burn forever
in the flames of hell!

What about the Bible and true Christian churches? Mormons love to use the
Bible and quote from the Bible to support their deception that they are
Christians. The trademark of all cults and false religions, even those who
use the Bible, is that it is NOT their final authority. In the Mormon cult,
their authority does not come from the Bible which they view as incomplete
and not reliable, but the writings of Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl
of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants. These are the writings that
form the false theology of this cult.

Mormons believe that non-Mormons are “abominations.” While they don’t have
the guts the Muslims do to publicly call a non-Muslim an infidel who should
be put to death, a Mormon views a Biblical Christian as part of a “false
religion” and void of all authority.

Like in all cults, the average member hasn’t got a clue what their cult
really believes. You only get to know everything after you have proven
yourself to be a loyal and worthy member of the cult. That is true in the
Mormon cult as well. Most Mormons go to their “church,” sing many of the
same hymns they sing at the Baptist church down the road, give their tithe,
read a few passages out of the Bible, hear a message about being a “good
person,” and go home.

It is only when you get to become a “temple Mormon” that you really learn
all of the deep, dark, beliefs of Mormonism. The Mormon temple rituals are
actually little more than the temple rituals Smith copied from another cult,
Freemasonry! Smith who was involved in the Masonic cult, simply copied and
incorporated their chants, handshakes, and ceremonies when he started the
Mormon cult. These are the same chants, handshakes, and ceremonies Romney
participated in when he took his oath to the Mormon cult above anything
else, INCLUDING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND CONSTITUTION!

The average person has no idea that the ultimate goal of the Mormon cult is
to establish a theocracy here in the United States. Joseph Smith, the cult’s
founder actually ran for the Presidency. So did Mitt Romney’s father. This
cult has the very real goal of establishing the “Kingdom of God,” which
means advancing the physical and earthly organization of the multi-billion
dollar Mormon cult.

There is a special room in the Mormon Temple located in Washington, DC that
has been prepared and in place for over 30 years, which will be the seat of
power for the Mormon-led government which will supplant our current
government. This was the vision Smith laid out less than 200 years ago, and
Mitt Romney and those in the hierarchy and leadership of the Mormon cult see
this as the time for that vision to become fulfilled!

I love you and care about you so much. Gordon B. Hinckley was NOT a great
“man of God,” but simply a tool of satan who used his life to lead millions
to the false teachings of the Mormon cult, meaning those poor souls died in
their sins and are in hell for all eternity along with all who reject the
Jesus of the Bible. He did not become a “god” upon his death as Mormons
believe. He didn’t get his own planet full of women waiting to have sex with
him. The moment he died, Hinckley stood before God and because he rejected
Jesus and died in his sins, was immediately cast into hell for all eternity!

I have done my best in a limited amount of time to give you a brief overview
of the false and satanic beliefs of the Mormon cult. I have just barely
scratched the surface, but just in what I have shared with you today, NOBODY
in their right mind could ever believe that a Mormon is a Christian. When
you study Mormon theology and understand the wild beliefs of Smith and this
cult, you need faith greater than I will ever hope to have to believe what
they do. There is no logic to it and there is absolutely nothing they
believe that has any basis in realty or can be proven.

Listen, God gave us free will, and men who live in rebellion to God since
the very beginning have dreamed up the wildest and most ridiculous religions,
and sadly people who were spiritually void chose to believe their lies and
will be lost for all eternity because of it. The danger of Mormonism is that
they are deceptive (just look at their name, the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints) and will lie without conscience just like the father of
lies, satan (John 8:44), to get people to join their cult.

I pray today for those 13 million souls alive today who are following the
lies of this cult, to turn from those lies before they take their last
breath and are lost for all eternity. There is only one Truth, and that is
found in the book God wrote, the Bible. There is only one way to be saved,
and that is through a personal relationship by faith with the Jesus of the
Bible. May those lost in the lies of the Mormon cult denounce those lies
and turn to God’s Word alone and faith in Jesus and be saved so they don’t
end up burning in hell like Gordon B. Hinckley!!!

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller bkeller@liveprayer.com

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Islamic Jesus Movie: From Iran With Love! How Long Before TBN Airs It?

Posted by Job on January 14, 2008

Note: please see Trinity Broadcasting Network Tries To Merge Islam And Christianity! for the justification of my TBN comment in the title.

‘Islamic Jesus’ hits Iranian movie screens

16 hours ago TEHRAN (AFP) — A director who shares the ideas of Iran’s hardline president has produced what he says is the first film giving an Islamic view of Jesus Christ, in a bid to show the “common ground” between Muslims and Christians.

Nader Talebzadeh sees his movie, “Jesus, the Spirit of God,” as an Islamic answer to Western productions like Mel Gibson’s 2004 blockbuster “The Passion of the Christ,” which he praised as admirable but quite simply “wrong”.

“Gibson’s film is a very good film. I mean that it is a well-crafted movie but the story
is wrong — it was not like that
,” he said, referring to two key differences: Islam sees Jesus as a prophet, not the son of God, and does not believe he was crucified. Talebzadeh said he even went to Gibson’s mansion in Malibu, California, to show him his film. “But it was Sunday and the security at the gate received the film and the brochure and promised to deliver it,” though the Iranian never heard back. (Wonder why two guys that reject the Bible for tradition and both hate Jews cannot get along.)

Even in Iran, “Jesus, The Spirit of God” had a low-key reception, playing to moderate audiences in five Tehran cinemas during the holy month of Ramadan, in October. The film, funded by state broadcasting, faded off the billboards but is far from dead, about to be recycled in a major 20 episode spin-off to be broadcast over state-run national television this year.

Talebzadeh insists it aims to bridge differences between Christianity and Islam (this means that he wants to use it to convert Christians into Islam, not a difficult task since lots of white new age emergent and black nationalist Christians are just about there already) despite the stark divergence from Christian doctrine about Christ’s final hours on earth. (Please note that Rick Warren is hindered by these details, see this link about how Warren and many emergent church leaders are working to “unite” Muslims and Christians just like TBN by practicing capitulation rather than evangelism.)

“It is fascinating for Christians to know that Islam gives such devotion to and has so much knowledge about Jesus,” Talebzadehtold AFP. (TBN liar Jeremiah Cummings, who claims that Muslims can go to heaven by following what the Koran says about Him and do not need to bother with the Bible because they will be killed for possessing it in Muslim countries, has told us this already. Good thing that the early church did not listen to people like Cummings.)

“By making this film I wanted to make a bridge between Christianity and Islam, to open the door for dialogue since there is much common ground between Islam and Christianity,” he said. The director is also keen to emphasise the links between Jesus and one of the most important figures in Shiite Islam, the Imam Mahdi, said to have disappeared 12 centuries ago but whose “return” to earth has been a key tenet of the Ahmadinejad presidency.

Talebzadeh made his name making documentaries about Iran’s 1980-1988 war against Iraq, an important genre in the country’s post-revolutionary cinema. But
such weighty themes, and his latest film on Jesus, compete with domestic gangster thrillers and sugary boy-meets-girl love stories, the movies that continue to draw the biggest audiences in the Islamic Republic.

The bulk of “Jesus, the Spirit of God”, which won an award at the 2007 Religion Today Film Festival in Italy, faithfully follows the traditional tale of Jesus as recounted in the New Testament Gospels (which actually makes it more biblical than “The Passion of the Christ, which was 80% Roman Catholic tradition and the false visions of Roman Catholic mystic nun Katherine Emmerich that, typical of Roman Catholicism, opposes the Bible), a narrative reproduced in the Koran and accepted by Muslims.

But in Talebzadeh’s movie, God saves Jesus, depicted as a fair-complexioned
man
(the Mormon’s Quetzalcoatl Jesus as opposed to the actual Jewish Jesus … see Mormons and Muslims United Oh My What A Surprise) with long hair and a beard, from crucifixion and takes him straight to heaven. “It is frankly said in the Koran that the person who was crucified was not Jesus” but Judas, one of the 12 Apostles and the one the Bible holds betrayed Jesus to the Romans, he said. (Yes, and we Christians are supposed to just toss aside our Bible for the Koran. Then again, he probably knows that Christians do have a long proud history of discarding the Bible and is wondering why Christians are being so hypocritically selective in this matter.) In his film, it is Judas who is crucified.

Islam sees Jesus as one of five great prophets — others being Noah, Moses and Abraham — sent to earth to announce the coming of Mohammed, the final prophet who spread the
religion of Islam. It respects Jesus’ followers as “people of the book”. Iran has tens of thousands of its own Christians who are guaranteed religious freedoms under the constitution — mainly Armenians, though their numbers have fallen sharply since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. (Oh gee, I wonder why.)

Every Christmas, Ahmadinejad and other officials lose no time in sending greetings to Christian leaders including the pope on what they describe as the “auspicious birthday of Jesus Christ, Peace Be Upon Him (PBUH).” (First of all, please note that Islam has no problem celebrating Christmas. Neither do a great many Jews, for that matter. It is THE RESURRECTION that gives them problems: see Acts 4. It is THE RESURRECTION that proved Jesus Christ’s deity. Please note that the original ending of “The Passion Of The Christ” did not mention the resurrection; it was added later after Mel Gibson consulted with PROTESTANTS. According to Mormon doctrine, Islam should be accepted as another Christian denomination incidentally.) In this year’s message, Ahmadinejad said that “peace, friendship and justice will be attained wherever the guidelines of Jesus Christ (PBUH) are realised in the world.” (Jesus Christ said that He came not to bring peace but a sword. But hey, now we see why Christian liberals would rather have dinner with the Taliban than with Will Metzger.)

Shiite Muslims, the majority in Iran, believe Jesus will accompany the Imam Mahdi when he reappears in a future apocalypse to save the world. And Talebzadeh said the TV
version of his film will further explore the links between Jesus and the Mahdi — whose return Ahmadinejad has said his government, which came to power in 2005, is working to hasten. (Their version is no less Biblical than Mary the eternal virgin or than Christian liberal process theology.)

Shiites believe the Mahdi’s reappearance will usher in a new era of peace and harmony. (In no small part because all non – Muslims will be dead. In fairness, Christians believe the same. It is also fair to point out that certain dispensational apocalyptic evangelicals like Pat Robertson, John Hagee, and “gates of hell” insane MIKE HUCKABEE are no different from the Iranian president in that they are trying to pave the way for the return of their Jesus by causing all sorts of violence and strife in the world.)

“We Muslims pray for the ‘Return’ (of Imam Mahdi) and Jesus is part of the return and the end of time,” Talebzadeh said. “Should we, as artists, stand idle until that time? Don’t we have to make an effort?” (The same rationale for Council On Foreign Relations Sun Myung Moon dirty money flowing through his pockets Tim LaHaye’s writing “Left Behind”, which like “The Passion Of The Christ” probably conforms even less to what is actually in the Bible than this Muslim Jesus movie.)

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Interfaith Environmental Seance Worshiping Gaia

Posted by Job on January 13, 2008

WARWICK — The
state’s first-ever interfaith conference on what religious communities
can do to save the earth’s resources and prevent global warming drew a
larger-than-expected crowd of clergy, educators and lay leaders to
Bishop Hendricken High School Thursday in what some saw as a sign of
the increased attention houses of worship are giving to environmental
concerns.

Howie Brown, director of New England Power and Light,
which was formed a year ago as an interfaith response to what some see
as a coming ecological crisis, said organizers had not expected the
standing-room-only crowd of more than 150 and that the spectrum would
be so diverse, with participation by Protestants, Jews, Catholics,
Greek Orthodox Christians, Mormons and Baha’is.

Some of the
participants were drawn to the event by the reputation of the keynote
speaker, the Rev. Margaret Bullitt-Jonas, an Episcopal priest from
Amherst, Mass., who is part of Religious Witnesses for the Earth. But
others were drawn by the workshops, including one featuring lay leaders
talking about conservation in their congregations and efforts to get
more people in the pews to “think green.”

In her keynote,
Bullitt-Jonas said she didn’t think she had to go into detail about the
effects of global warming. “You know that the scientific debate about
the reality of global warming is over. You know that the world’s
leading scientists agree that if we keep burning fossil fuels at the
present rate, global warming caused by human activities could raise
worldwide average temperatures between 5 and 11 degrees within this
century.”

Faced with that sort of unprecedented challenge,
raising the possibility that “conscious life on this planet may not
survive,” she declared, “we need to root ourselves in the deep wisdom
of our respective faith traditions and come together to discover how we
can work together to protect this one planet, one sky, that we all
share.”

In a workshop on “Cool Congregations,” Barney Heath, a
member of the social action committee at Temple Emanu-El, in
Providence, said it is not always easy convincing boards of
congregations to adopt conservation recommendations, especially if they
don’t see any immediate financial payoff.

But he said his
congregation has come a long way. The temple has implemented all the
recommendations that came from a RISE energy audit and has already
begun to see savings. And to cut the use of plastic, the temple’s
caterer has invested in 500 permanent plates.

Amy Tully and
Katherine Gibson, members of the Green Team at St. Augustine’s
Episcopal parish, on the campus of the University of Rhode Island, said
that in trying to move a congregation, it is always helpful to start
with something “small and visible,” such as converting to compact
fluorescent light bulbs, and then later nudge them toward other steps,
such as cutting down on heat and air conditioning.

But the two
said the road has not always been easy. Said Tully: “We’re still
struggling with Styrofoam at coffee hours because no one wants to stay
late enough to wash the cups.”

And, they said, the overhead fans
that had been installed as a conservation measure have drawn complaints
from altar servers, who say the fans make the candles burn faster,
causing wax to fall on the linens.

Beth Milhame, whose church,
Channing Memorial Unitarian, in Newport, organized a community showing
of Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth, said her church may have
solved the cleaning problem by introducing plates made from potato and
sugar. They’ll learn soon enough whether they decompose.

rdujardi@projo.com

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From Heresy Hunter: A Joel Osteen Trilogy!

Posted by Job on January 12, 2008

Joel Osteen and Asbury Seminary

 Joel Osteen On Romney and Mormonism Part 2

Osteen and Mormons Part 1

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What Has Rome To Do With Mecca? Medina With The Pope? Pagans With Mary?

Posted by Job on January 2, 2008

A play on the words of Tertullian: “”What indeed has Athens to do with Jerusalem? What has the academy to do with the Church? Away with all attempts to produce a Stoic, Platonic or compliant Christianity!” Please follow link. msnbc.msn.com/id/22472790/

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Mormon Mitt Romney Saw His Father March With Martin Luther King With The Same Eye Of Faith That Joseph Smith’s Followers Saw The Plates Of Nephi

Posted by Job on December 23, 2007

In other words, Mitt Romney never saw his father march with Martin Luther King, Jr. (see link) just as Joseph Smith’s followers (see link) never saw the plates of Nephi. Why? Because just as Mitt Romney’s father never marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. for Mitt Romney to see it, freemason Joseph Smith was never given any plates of Nephi by any angel for anyone else to see. Quite simply, Mitt Romney was lying just like Joseph Smith’s cohorts were lying. And in each case, the context makes it even worse. In the original case, Joseph Smith’s followers claimed to have LITERALLY seen the plates of Nephi because no one was going to follow a movement based on unconfirmed revelation to a single individual. The men, as such, used their false witness to lend credibility to the notion that Joseph Smith had actually received revelation and was a true prophet of God. It was only after Mormonism had attracted thousands of people that had given up everything and dedicated their lives to the new religion that Joseph Smith’s guarantors acknowledged that, well, seeing doesn’t mean SEEING.

And yes, Mitt Romney’s denial has everything to do with his religion as well. In order to prevent from having to answer questions about the racist doctrines of his religion, he claimed to have seen his father marching with Martin Luther King, Jr. If Romney says that his church was wrong, then he is calling his religion a lie, because the racist teachings of Mormonism were not false doctrines coming from willful misinterpretation of scriptures done by sinful men in their rebellion against God (the case in Christianity with people claiming that the Nehemiah narrative is an example of God forbidding the races from intermarrying when the truth is that the case was over RELIGION and not race, since the people that the Israelites were forbidden from marrying were members of the same near eastern Semitic race as the Israelis, and one of the benefits of circumcision was being able to tell Jews from Gentiles among groups of people that were visually – meaning RACIALLY – indistinguishable) but revelations given by the Mormon god to Mormon prophets. Romney can only say that the racist policies were removed over time, most notably with the priesthood decision in 1978. He cannot say that the policies were wrong to begin with, because that would be claiming that the Mormon god is -and can be – wrong. And that was the reason for claiming to have personally seen his father march with Martin Luther King. Check this excerpt:

Romney has repeated the story of his father marching with King in some of his most prominent presidential campaign appearances, including the “Tonight” show with Jay Leno in May, his address on faith and politics Dec. 6 in Texas, and on NBC’s “Meet The Press” on Sunday, when he was questioned about the Mormon Church’s ban on full participation by black members. He said that he had cried in his car in 1978 when he heard the ban had ended, and added, “My father marched with Martin Luther King.”

Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald. Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said: “My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit.”

In our current society, personal experience trumps everything, and as such can be used to silence debate. The best part about this whole deal is that even in having to confess that he is a liar Romney still wins. Why? Because the attention is now on the fact that Romney lied, not on whether Romney believes that the racist rantings of Joseph Smith and other Mormon prophets and apostles were ever actually inspired by the Mormon god. Pretty good huh? You don’t build an elite investment capital firm, get elected to governor of Massachusetts as a social liberal, and then become a frontrunner in the GOP presidential race thanks in large part to the support of many socially conservative evangelical Christians by being bad at what George W. Bush calls strategery.

Yet the Republican Party is demanding that evangelical Christians support Mitt Romney because he is such a nice honest trustworthy person with such great Christian values. Well, hey, it may well be true! Not the nice honest trustworthy part, but the great Christian values thing. Who am I to deny that Mitt Romney has excellent Christian values? Christian values are the stuff of a universalist works religion. My religion is an exclusive sola fide one. So to all of you Roman Catholics, Mormons, high stakes gambling Bill Bennett Republicans, and Rick Warren Purpose Driven types, you can keep your Christian values, I don’t need them, because it appears that you can still have great Christian, excuse me Judeo – Christian, values while being a filthy liar and a member of what everyone knows is a cult. So long as he can keep an anti – globalist establishment candidate out of the White House, Mormon Mitt Romney could be a virgin – sacrificing druid for all they care.

Now Judeo – Roman Catholic neoconservative globalist warmonger central, the National Review, is claiming that Mormon Mitt Romney’s being exposed as a liar is actually GOOD because it shows that his father supported civil rights. (Never mind that supporting civil rights in the secular arena and thinking that your “prophets” and “scriptures” are false for claiming that blacks are the cursed seed of Ham and were given black skin because we were failures in pre – existence are two totally different things.) Of course, these folks probably feel that Martin Luther King, Jr. had great Christian values despite not believing in the virgin birth, resurrection, or deity of Jesus Christ. If they do, hey, who am I to disagree?

Now Christians, though I strongly advise against voting for Mormon Mitt Romney, I am not going to say that doing so will fill you full of demons and take you to the lake of fire for eternity. I do say, though, that following this “Christian values” movement (and keep in mind there is a right wing and a left wing Christian values movement that at their core are pretty much the same, possessing a form of godliness but denying the power thereof) might have that effect.

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Should Evangelical Christians Become Roman Catholics? J.P. Moreland Thinks So!

Posted by Job on November 17, 2007

*Please do not mistake me for claiming that all Roman Catholics will burn in the lake of fire. Rather, I seek to use heavy satire to convey the utter unacceptability of leaving biblical Christianity for Roman Catholicism.

In this entry Moreland makes appeals to science, charismatic Christianity, philosophy, etc. before his real agenda becomes clear: he is demanding that evangelicals become neo – Roman Catholics. His reason for taking this stand was Francis Beckwith (rather justifiably) being forced to leave his leadership of the Evangelical Theological Society after his conversion to Roman Catholicism.

christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2007/11/postcard_from_s.html

He says: “In the actual practices of the Evangelical community in North America, there is an over-commitment to Scripture in a way that is false, irrational, and harmful to the cause of Christ,” he said. “And it has produced a mean-spiritedness among the over-committed that is a grotesque and often ignorant distortion of discipleship unto the Lord Jesus.”

Sooo … why blame Protestants and not Roman Catholics in this matter? Why should we become more like them instead of them joining us?

“The problem, he said, is “the idea that the Bible is the sole source of knowledge of God, morality, and a host of related important items. Accordingly, the Bible is taken to be the sole authority for faith and practice.”

Hey buddy, if being a Christian instead of a Mormon, Scientologist, or worshiper of a head of cabbage like Rerun in that episode of What’s Happening is being a problem, then color me guilty. What about you? If you were placed on trial for being a Christian, would you be found guilty?

And now Moreland goes apostate.

“Suppose an archaeologist discovered a portion of the ancient city of Jerusalem that was specifically described in the Old Testament, Moreland said:

Could the archaeologist have discovered the site without the use of the Old Testament? Once discovered, could the archaeologist learn things about the site that went beyond what was in the Old Testament? Clearly the answer is yes to both questions. Why? Because the site actually exists in the real world. It does not exist in the Bible. It is only described in the Bible and the biblical description in partial.

Likewise, Moreland argued, “because the human soul/spirit and demons/angels are real, it is possible, and, in fact, actual that extra-biblical knowledge can be gained about these spiritual entities. … Demons do not exist in the Bible. They exist in reality.”

This reminds me of the Johnnie Cochran Wookie defense on South Park. (Not that I watch South Park anymore. Nor What’s Happening reruns for that matter. Don’t waste much of your precious time pondering why.) Rather than going into exactly HOW it reminds me of it, let me play a simple substitution game with that last sentence and say “Jesus Christ does not exist in the Bible. He exists in reality” and see where that leaves the person that believes it. Want to try it? Well you go right ahead. And let me know how that works out for you. Right after judgment day. Don’t worry about a thing. Judgment does not exist in the Bible. It exists in reality. Or something.

By not researching how demons work, how to fight them, and other such issues by, for example, working with exorcists, Christian scholars are harming the church, Moreland argued. In a similar vein, he thinks evangelical scholars and the movement as a whole are rejecting “guidance, revelation, and so forth from God through impressions, dreams, visions, prophetic words, words of knowledge and wisdom.”

Rejecting the guidance, revelation, and wisdom that Rerun got from that head of cabbage? Or Stan Cartman got from Mr. Hanky? I guess I am guilty about that as well. What about you?

“We shut that down because of charismatic excesses,” he said. “Because of abuses, we fear teaching people how to use it. We think it’s all going to be Benny Hinn or something like that.”

It can also be about the fact that Benny Hinn is actually an amateur compared to the long history of Roman Catholic mysticism.

“The sparse landscape of evangelical political thought stands in stark contrast to the overflowing garden both of evangelical biblical scholarship and Catholic reflection on reason, general revelation, and cultural and political engagement,” he said. “We evangelicals could learn a lesson or two from our Catholic friends.”

Yep, we could learn a lot about everything except how to get to heaven from Roman Catholics. Silly me for only being concerned about going to heaven and having absolutely no motivation for being a Christian or living my life for that matter apart from that. Although I do say that if I ever do decide that knowledge outside of Jesus Christ is for me, then heads of cabbage, wookies, and Mr. Hanky seem to offer a lot more promise than does Roman Catholicism.

“‘No, more provocative was Moreland’s argument about why evangelicals became over-committed to the Bible. Rather than developing a robust epistemology in response to secularism, he said, evangelicals reacted and retreated. Now evangelical theologians aren’t allowed to come to any new conclusions about the truths in Scripture, and they’re not allowed to find truths outside of Scripture. As a result, he said, they’re engaged in “private language games and increasingly detailed minutia” and “we’re not seeing work on broad cultural themes.””

So … evangelical theologians are smart enough to realize that A) they aren’t going to find anything new in the Bible that almost 2000 years of Christian scholarship hasn’t found already and B) that even if they are going to find something new, trying to keep up with and please a world that hates and has rejected Christ is not a motive. You do know that world hates and has rejected Jesus Christ, don’t you J. P. Moreland? I can understand you not knowing that. But do you know how I found out? It was by reading the Bible. And by the way, I can deal with “broad cultural themes.” Mankind in his unregenerated state is totally depraved with nothing but vile affections and no knowledge or desire for the things of God. There, is that broad enough for you?

This is a group torn between its desire to do respectable scholarship and its desire to serve the church. Moreland’s jeremiad hit them on both fronts.” Well hey, that explains it all. The door was wide open for such an attack because it hit a nerve. Why? Because these great learned men and women are having such conflict over whether to do respectable (by whom?) scholarship and serving the church. I can solve that conundrum for you: PICK DOOR NUMBER THREE AND SERVE GOD ONLY! But wait … can you do that and still be considered “evangelical” in today’s world? The fact that this fellow was even suffered to address this conference in the first place would make sincerely doubt it.

By the way, Christianity Today, founded by Billy Graham, has always promoted unity between evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Recently Christianity Today has added promoting unity between Christians and fans of Harry Potter, Spongebob Squarepants, and Pulp Fiction to their agenda as well.

The problem here is the fact that a lot of biblical Christians count Roman Catholics among their close friends and family members. While sensitivity to those bonds are to be respected, claiming that biblical Christians should allow Roman Catholics to have positions of authority in our institutions or that we should accept or emulate them based on it is akin to suggesting that the Reformation should have never happened in the first place, and the Reformers were the party in error.

Update: I based the assertion that Francis Beckwith was forced out of ETS on this quote from the Christianity Today article: “The first part has not been controversial of late, but the second was the focus of the society’s recent fight over open theism and was named as a reason why Francis Beckwith could not remain as ETS president after his conversion to Roman Catholicism.” Francis Beckwith stopped by and provided a clarification: rightreason.ektopos.com/archives/2007/05/my_return_to_th.html

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