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Why The “We Need Female Leaders In The Church Because There Aren’t Enough Good Men” Is Just An Excuse For Rebellion And Sin

Posted by Job on August 17, 2010

Now, we have “evangelical feminists” on the move, demanding that the Biblical mandate for God-given roles to the sexes be discarded in favor of the current worldly fascination with the sort of social androgyny (the idea that there is no difference between the sexes that need to be respected) that homosexual Vaughn Walker used in his homosexual marriage advocacy from the bench. Further, in their pursuit of what is clearly an anti-Biblical agenda, they are employing the same rhetoric of the secular humanists feminists before them – as they are cut from the same cloth despite their evangelical pretensions – in claiming that Christians who support Biblical roles for males and females are contributing to spousal abuse, rape and child molestation. Of course, the recent explosion of such issues is due to society’s embrace of such notions as feminism and rejection of Biblical authority, not their fidelity to it. (I suppose that these evangelical feminists are going to claim that the early church, including the apostles who produced the New Testament, was this repository of child molesters and rapists. When you consider their outright rejection of inerrancy and Biblical authority in this matter, one would not be surprised if this is precisely what this group believes. Like the homosexual “Christians”, “evangelical feminists” ignore that these Bible interpretations have been handed down since the early church and are not the invention of a relatively recent group of bigots. Calling contemporary Christians misogynistic, homophobic child rapists for refusing to adhere to their current worldly interpretations means judging those who received the faith directly from Jesus Christ and His apostles as the same. But since honest theology and church history is not on their side, they resort to name-calling and appeals to the same body of “science” as is Freudian psychology and evolution that is used to justify homosexuality and a host of other abominations against one’s own body and other people.)

It seems that one of the more effective excuses to justify female church leadership – one that is gaining traction outside the Pentecostal and liberal theological circles that have long advocated for women pastors and leaders – is the shortage of suitable male leaders for the church. I do not deny the possibility that there is indeed a shortage of the number and type of male leaders required to staff our current ecclesiastical structure. However, the solution to that is to A) question if our (denominationally-driven) ecclesiastical structure is Biblical in the first place and B) realize that the abandonment of Biblical manhood and womanhood and a resulting environment of spiritual confusion and immaturity is a cause of this problem rather than the solution. Therefore, the way to have strong male leaders for the church going forward is for men and women to return to what the Bible commands rather than to use the spiritual condition of the contemporary church as an excuse to abandon it. Instead of looking for an excuse to justify sin and rebellion, we need to seek courage from the Holy Spirit to strengthen us to be faithful in this time of spiritual difficulty.

With that in mind, on my thread “Regarding Women Preachers: I Am Now Convinced That It Is Wrong” a Christian woman named Elsie made the following comment:

Paul says “I do not permit women to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” I agree with the word of God, but I see here that Paul says “I do not permit”, he did not say “God does not permit”.
I believe that only men have the authority to be pastors and leaders in the congregation. But I also believe that in some instances God has raised a woman to prophecy and to be a judge, etc.. When God chose these women to do a specific work, these women where humble women, godly women. I see in these days a lot of disharmony in the church with many women ministring. I don’t think they where called by God. One of the things that astonishes me is how these women dress when they stand in the pulpit. How can a man visit such congregation and stay connected with “the word” when this woman is dressed in a provocative way? There is nothing humble about that and there is nohing holy about that either. We have to be watchful and careful that we do not provoque others to fall.

I will allow her comment and my response below to serve as a rejoinder to those who might be deceived by evangelical feminism, including the argument “We need female leaders in the church because there aren’t enough good male leaders:

““I do not permit women to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” I agree with the word of God, but I see here that Paul says “I do not permit”, he did not say “God does not permit”.”When Paul was saying “I do not permit”, he was speaking from the position of authority as an apostle of Jesus Christ. So, what an apostle permitted or denied was based on revelation from Jesus Christ, and therefore binding to the church. That was the real meaning of the oft-misunderstood “binding and loosing” passages of Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18, which is that the apostles, being appointed by Jesus Christ and received the revelation directly from Jesus Christ, had the right to establish doctrines and practices for the early church and those thereafter. This is not to say that Paul was divine in any sense, only that he spoke in the Name of God just as did an Old Testament prophet. When Paul was giving an opinion that he didn’t want to be considered binding, he said so in verses like 1 Corinthians 7:6 when he gave his opinion that it is better not to marry. Please note that in another place (1 Titus 4:3) Paul called forbidding to marry a devil’s doctrine.

“But I also believe that in some instances God has raised a woman to prophecy and to be a judge, etc..”

That is clear. God also raises up female deacons. The issue is the offices [that the Bible restricts women from holding] of pastor and teacher, not of evangelist, prophet or deacon.

… the Bible clearly lays out the role of elder spiritually gifted women in the church, which is to instruct younger women in faith and practice and to tend to the moral and spiritual development of children. In these times Christian woman have despised the role intended and laid out by God for them in order to seek the roles that God has set aside for men. You can see the negative effects on young women and children that result from this neglect. Ironically, the confusion in the church that results in the neglect of young women and children (as confused young women and children today become the very confused people who wind up leading churches 30 years down the line) is what is used as an excuse to justify female pastors.

For instance, a lot of people claim that there should be women leaders because there aren’t enough suitable male leaders, and they use Deborah in the time of the Judges as their proof-text. What they ignore is that the lack of suitable male leaders is precisely because of the refusal of elder women to instruct young mothers and of young mothers to instruct young women. And the proof-text of this is not only that of the kings in Israel (meaning that the kings who had righteous mothers who followed the Lord themselves followed the Lord, but the kings who had wicked mothers turned away from the Lord, and this was the case regardless of the spiritual condition of the father … a godly king and a rotten queen would produce rotten a rotten kid inheriting the throne, but a rotten king and a godly queen would produce a good child who would go on to become king) but also that Deborah herself had to rule because of Israel’s spiritual apostasy, their turning against God, at the time.

So, it speaks volumes that the women who use the lack of suitable male leaders as an excuse to be pastors and teachers are perfectly willing to personally profit from the dire straits that the church is in. That makes you nothing but a spiritual scalawag or carpetbagger. (If you are not from the American South, look the terms up … they mean someone who exploits a great tragedy for personal gain.) The proper response for Christian women to the lack of good male leaders in this generation is to adhere to what the Bible says regarding instructing younger women and children so that the next generation will have strong male leaders for the church. And this is precisely what the God-fearing queens of Israel who were married to evil husbands did. They did not attempt coups against their husbands so that they could rule righteously in their husband’s stead. (Consider that the only female usurper of the throne of Israel was the Baal worshiper Athaliah.) Instead, they raised their sons to know and fear God so that righteous rule would return in the next generation. The righteous queens of Israel knew the merits of adhering to God’s plan instead of following after their own human designs. Christian women chasing feminism idolatry would do well to follow their example. This is ever so more the case of Pentecostal women for whom female pastors is commonly accepted, as Pentecostals are known for their particular emphasis on Old Testament types and examples.

So, if righteous Old Testament queens operating without the benefit of the full revelation of Jesus Christ were able and willing to do what was necessary to produce godly kings for Old Testament Israel, how much more should New Testament Christian women who have the full revelation of Jesus Christ be expected to do so? Those who reject the Bible on this issue in order to follow a corrupt and fallen worldly mindset are without excuse.

For a more exhaustive treatment of this issue, please read:

Why Women Cannot Be Preachers

And to begin conforming your life to God’s desires:

Follow The Three Step Salvation Plan

12 Responses to “Why The “We Need Female Leaders In The Church Because There Aren’t Enough Good Men” Is Just An Excuse For Rebellion And Sin”

  1. Diane said

    …. “in claiming that Christians who support Biblical roles for males and females are contributing to spousal abuse, rape and child molestation”

    2 women..
    1)husband wants wife to agree to be given to another man (of course for the purpose of having sex)…. should she “in everything” “calling him lord” obey???… Sarah did… is this Godly counsel, or dangerous and foolish? The answer to my first question is CLEAR.. UNEQUIVOCALLY NO. No woman should follow Sarah’s example in this matter… this is NOT something that Christ would ever expect of women that He’s purchased with His own blood.

    2)husband doesn’t want wife to give food to a fugitive…
    Sounds like a simple request to ‘obey’. Today, a dogmatic individual, would most likely advise for a woman in this situation to “submit to your husband” “he’s not asking you to sin, so submit to your husband and if he’s wrong, God will deal with him, but you’re ok”. But the LORD is at enmity with such nonsense, and gives the woman Godly wisdom. Abigail is an example of a wise and Godly woman.

    It’s interesting here… we have in scripture passages advising us to follow Sarah but not Abigail(just shows her example to follow), but it should be evident to all that you can’t follow Sarah in certain circumstances and MUST follow Abigail’s example of trusting God’s Wisdom. Dogmatism CAN LEAD TO ABUSE AND RAPE and for those who are purposely contentious against those simply pointing out TRUTH, other people are simply pointing out what should be obvious.

  2. Diane said

    Godly contributions from the women’s movement christian and secular:

    *the elimination of laws considering women property
    *child custody given to mothers away from drunken abusive men
    *property rights
    *the right to vote
    *the right to take out a loan
    *equal pay for equal work
    *the right to call the police AND HAVE THEM ACTUALLY SHOW UP

    What is that God requires of us,… to walk humbly and do justice

  3. Devon in Canada. said

    I’ll probably get heck for this but I really don’t have a problem with women preaching or teaching in Churches…..as long as that is under Male Leadership……..I think that is Biblical…and I do wonder if Paul here in these verses was more of a cultural reference to that particular church or time???

    I think we can agree that a Woman by herself isn’t supposed to be leading a Church…….

    Again one of those kind of gray area issues I guess…

  4. Diane said

    “What they ignore is that the lack of suitable male leaders is precisely because of the refusal of elder women to instruct young mothers and of young mothers to instruct young women.”

    this is false and a contradiction of your belief in predestination… blaming mothers for the lack of suitable male leaders. And implying that Israel went into apostasy because mothers, therefore Deborah had to come along??? You’re singling out women alone, (as well as making men look real sorry) when a balanced view is obvious, that wicked men and women throughout all time have contributed to the lack of male leaders.

    God refuted such a false belief in Ezekiel 18
    “the soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself”

  5. Diane said

    I would like to present to those dogmatic about “I suffer not a woman to teach”

    examples of women teaching, proclaiming the Word of God.
    From the same bible, (not the homosexual one)

    Huldah….

    Incredibly enough, and offensive to your sensibilities of gender roles…..men were sent to Huldah to INQUIRE OF THE LORD

    this shatters your prohibitions in several ways
    1)they had the written Word before them
    2)they had male priest and scribes
    3)Isaiah or one of the other male prophets should be around somewhere
    4)she’s married-according to the ‘male teach only’ doesn’t the Word of God only come through the husband to the wife”

    God’s Spirit was upon this woman and she spoke God’s Word and MEN WERE EMPOWERED.

  6. Diane said

    Huldah would have been sent to the nursery or a women’s sunday school with a ‘male to oversee’ to make sure they are under the fleshy carnal covering of man, if she were alive today.

  7. The directive “I suffer not a woman to teach” does not apply to teaching Sunday school, bible classes or instructing men in biblical knowledge. The word teach used here “didaskō” in Greek carries the force of authoritative teaching entrusted to a person, ie. someone in the leadership role in the church. Paul is not forbidding all teaching to women, but only the kind of teaching in the church which gives women a position of authority over men (Pastor,teacher, Elder, Bishop all the same office) therefore the word Teach used is in the context of an office, or position. That is not to say she can not serve under a Pastor, Elder or the like.

  8. Diane said

    “The word teach used here “didaskō” in Greek carries the force of authoritative teaching entrusted to a person, ie. someone in the leadership role in the church.”

    I looked this up and didn’t see that didasko meant anything other than simply teach – no special “office” could be implied(authenteo on the other hand carries a violent connotation to it).

    strongs #1321- teach

    used in 1 John 2:27
    But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach(didasko)you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

  9. Diane said

    And He said to them. “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called benefactors. But NOT SO AMONG YOU…Yet I am among you as the One who serves” Luke 22:25-27

    Christ does not force people to submit to Him, but allows the Spirit to draw men unto Him.

    Bruce Ware teaches that man may have to reestablish his rulership over his wife if she doesn’t permit him to rule over her. So basically, if there is spousal abuse, it’s because the woman didn’t allow the man to “rule over” her, and in the process of “reestablishing his rulership”, he became sinful and seeks to establish that by force.

    Christ hasn’t given any of His followers “rulership” over another individual.

  10. Complete research of the word is as follows:
    didasko (Strong’s 1321) meaning “to give instruction.”

    Greek/Hebrew Definitions

    Strong’s #1321: didasko (pronounced did-as’-ko)

    a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application):–teach.

    Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

    didaskō 1) to teach

    1a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses

    1b) to be a teacher

    1c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one’ s self as a teacher

    2) to teach one

    2a) to impart instruction

    2b) instill doctrine into one

    2c) the thing taught or enjoined

    2d) to explain or expound a thing

    2f) to teach one something

    Part of Speech: verb

    Relation: a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn)

    Citing in TDNT: 2:135, 161

    Usage:

    This word is used 97 times:

    Matthew 4:23: “went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and”
    Matthew 5:2: “he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,”
    Matthew 5:19: “of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called”
    Matthew 5:19: “but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called”
    Matthew 7:29: “For he taught them as one having authority, and”
    Matthew 9:35: “cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and”
    Matthew 11:1: “disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their”
    Matthew 13:54: “into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue,”
    Matthew 15:9: “in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Matthew 21:23: “people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority”
    Matthew 22:16: “thou art true, and teachest the way of God in”
    Matthew 26:55: “daily with you teaching in the temple,”
    Matthew 28:15: “money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported”
    Matthew 28:20: ” Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and,”
    Mark 1:21: “into the synagogue, and taught.”
    Mark 1:22: “his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had”
    Mark 2:13: “unto him, and he taught them.”
    Mark 4:1: “And he began again to teach by the sea side: and”
    Mark 4:2: “And he taught them many things by parables, and said”
    Mark 6:2: “when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and”
    Mark 6:6: “round about the villages, teaching.”
    Mark 6:30: “they had done, and what they had taught.”
    Mark 6:34: “a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.”
    Mark 7:7: “in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Mark 8:31: “And he began to teach them, that the Son of man”
    Mark 9:31: “For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The”
    Mark 10:1: “again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.”
    Mark 11:17: “And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house”
    Mark 12:14: “not the person of men, but teachest the way”
    Mark 12:35: “Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How”
    Mark 14:49: “you in the temple teaching, and ye took me”
    Luke 4:15: “And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of”
    Luke 4:31: “a city of Galilee, and taught them on the”
    Luke 5:3: “land. And he sat down, and taught the people out of the”
    Luke 5:17: “as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and”
    Luke 6:6: “the synagogue and taught: and there was a man”
    Luke 11:1: “unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John”
    Luke 11:1: “as John also taught his disciples.”
    Luke 12:12: “the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same”
    Luke 13:10: “And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on”
    Luke 13:22: “the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward”
    Luke 13:26: “drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.”
    Luke 19:47: “And he taught daily in the temple.”
    Luke 20:1: “of those days, as he taught the people in the”
    Luke 20:21: “that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest”
    Luke 20:21: “neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God”
    Luke 21:37: “in the daytime he was teaching in the temple; and”
    Luke 23:5: “He stirreth up the people, teaching throughout all Jewry, beginning”
    John 6:59: “said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.”
    John 7:14: “the temple, and taught.”

    In spiritual matters, a woman may never have authority over men. I am sorry if you disagree, but since I am quoting the Bible, your disagreement is not with me, but with God, the Author of the Bible.

  11. Diane said

    Patrick,

    where have I ever said that “anyone” has authority over another person. Christ said “Not so among you“.

    I’m also showing from the scriptures women teaching, so seems your disagreement is not with me, but with God.

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