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Think That You Are Going To Heaven? Take This Interactive Test To Find Out!

Posted by Job on August 24, 2009

How Does Someone Get To Heaven?

9 Responses to “Think That You Are Going To Heaven? Take This Interactive Test To Find Out!”

  1. thaishin said

    The checklist sounds like a bit of salvation by works as opposed to 1 John 5:11-12

  2. Job said

    Thaishin:

    I can understand your assessment. However, it is similar to many evangelistic statements, and seems to be inspired by The Way of the Master’s Ray Comfort’s similar approach.

  3. John Kaniecki said

    Job,

    Hi hope you are well.

    I hope we can open up the whole topic of salvation in a polite and Godly manner. I am from the Church of Christ so you know where I am coming from.

    Can we begin with the book of Acts and the conversions?

    I think this discussion would be most fruitful if for nothing else than to learn how others think.

    Love,

    John

    • Job said

      John Kaniecki:

      Church of Christ. I am not as familiar with their doctrines as I was back when I began this site. Do they believe in baptismal regeneration? If so, what precludes paedobaptism?

  4. John Kaniecki said

    Job,

    Hi hope you are well.

    No infant baptism is unBiblical.

    Mark 16:16, one must believe at baptism.
    Mathew 28:20, one must be able to be taught.
    Acts 2:38, one must be able to repent.
    Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:4 baptism is a burial, not a sprinkling.

    So sprinkling a baby with water does nothing at all. In Acts there is no infant baptism though whole households are baptized probably meaning children. Yet no direct evidence of an infant.

    Go over the conversions in the book of Acts and see the circumstances.

    Love,

    John

    • Job said

      “In Acts there is no infant baptism though whole households are baptized probably meaning children.”

      Whole households also believed, which specifically precludes infants (with apologies to Martin Luther, who claimed “somehow babies believe”.)

      Acts 16:30-33 “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.”

      So it appears that we agree on this issue. And we also agree that baptism is burial, and that it is not a sacrament that results in the dispensing of saving grace by the Holy Spirit; that people are not saved by their baptisms.

      I suppose that I will investigate the Church of Christ at my next opportunity. However, I am wary of restoration movements. The early church was A) part of the transition period that ended at 70 A.D. and B) the product of a social location that we do not share.

      • John Kaniecki said

        Job,

        Hi hope you are well.

        Let us dress the issue of the sinner’s prayer if you will. I never got an explanation to satisfy me why they use it. I have heard it reflects what happens on the inside and was referred to Romans 10. I find the ‘sinner’s prayer’ something without Biblical support. I can show you in the books of Acts seven or eight cases where people are baptized with water while not one example of the sinner’s prayer being recited.

        Also a little warning about the Church of Christ people. We can get quite dogamtic and loose the gentleness which is the fruit of the Spirit. Also we like to run with some scriptures while we don’t with others.

        For example in the Church of Christ we don’t call people Reverend. Psalm 111:9 “Holy and reverend is His name.” They are speaking of God, since God’s name is reverend no man should be called reverend. Makes sense.

        Yet take 1 Peter 3:3 “Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on apparel.” Yet you will see many women in the Church of Christ with braided hair and jewelery. Especially on a Lady’s day where sometimes it seems they are competing with one another to look their loveliest. Lady’s day is where all the lady’s get together and meet together without men. Most congregations in the Church of Christ do not allow women to preach or pray, correctly to the teachings of the Bible. So on Lady’s day with no men present they can preach and pray amongst themselves all they want.

        Now let me say Church of Christ has no offical doctrine, just the Bible as the Word of God. Yet there are things we take and run with.

        A phrase you hear in the Church of Christ is “the one true Church”. Some of us Love to teach that. Yet that phrase is nowhere to be found in the Bible. But there Bible teaches there is only one Church. I can elaborate later.

        Also some of us are in Love with our name. The Church of Christ is a very Biblical name indeed. But Church of God appears more times in the Bible.

        Unfortunately like the pharisees of old, some people will get caught up with the exterior teaching and ignore the most important. I am not saying that we should ignore any part of the Bible. I’m just saying the there are some teachings more important than others. The two greatest commandments are “To Love God with you whole heart,soul, mind and strength and to Love you neighbour as yourself.” Mark 12:29-31.Yet in the Church of Christ you will hear more sermons on the ‘One True Church’ than on the two greatest commandments. This is obviously wrong in an extreme manner. In fact I know a congregation that every sermon is on the ‘one true church’.

        We are an imperfect people, may the Lord have mercy on us and give us the love to go forward.

        Love,

        John

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