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The Origins And Danger Of The Rapture Doctrine

Posted by Job on October 7, 2008

Secrets Revealed; The Mystical Rapture Cult and Its World-wide Power and Dominion

8 Responses to “The Origins And Danger Of The Rapture Doctrine”

  1. Concepts of the Rapture existed before the 1500’s. I don’t trust Jewish baiting to lecture me on prophecy information. You can say some of the modern views of the rapture existed in the late 1500’s. Ironically, many Dominionists (some are anti-Semites) hate the Rapture and many of the prophecies mentioned in the Bible, because they want to create their man-made forced theocracy on Earth.

  2. Job said

    Timothy:

    If what is contained in this link is true, then it isn’t Jewish baiting. Are the things that are being alleged concerning Ignatius Loyola untrue, for instance? And on an unrelated note, why is the star of David, a mystical symbol that has nothing to do with Israel’s history or religion, is of questionable origin, and was adopted by a secular/atheist socialist/communist radical political movement now the representative symbol for the Jewish people, Israel, Zionism, and all who support them, including so many dispensational Christians?

    And I am investigating whether the early church believed in a pre – tribulation rapture, or any other doctrine that requires Jesus Christ to leave the right hand of the God the Father and return to creation TWICE rather than ONCE, and any scriptures that would justify it. So far, I haven’t seen it. It is generally regarded that such views gained real traction in Protestant circles with the Plymouth Brethren movement in England that happened in the early 1800s. It was their theology that influenced Cyrus Scofield, whose reference Bible gave us the endtimes views common to fundamentalist and evangelical Christians. How could such a marginal view advanced by what was a fringe group in England and an unknown character with a very questionable background in America become the dominant endtimes view so quickly?

    By the way: please recognize that a ton of rapture believers have also embraced dominionist views, including the leading members of the religious right (and yes this now includes Sarah Palin). How did this get to be the case since dominionism and the rapture would appear to be contradictions? I do know that the Azusa Street pentecostals had the belief that a worldwide revival to evangelize the globe and unify the church across racial, economic, political, national, etc. lines was a precondition to the return of Jesus Christ. That was the belief of William Seymour, who started Asuza Street. Where did Seymour get those ideas? From Charles Parham? If so, where did Parham get those ideas? We do know that Pentecostals were originally Methodists, and that Methodism came to America by way of Britain, where people were preaching Pentecostal doctrines long before Asuza Street. Consider the words of John Nelson Darby, considered one of the leaders and founders of the Plymouth Brethren:

    John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) later wrote, “What gave rise to the existence of so-called Plymouth Brethren is the grand truth, the great fact, of the descent of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, to form the body of Christ into one; then the coming of the Saviour as the continual expectation of the Christian”.*

    In other words, Darby had the same goal as did Seymour, a global ecumenical movement that he believed to be a necessary precondition for the return of Jesus Christ. And where does this idea come from? Not from the Old Testament apocalypses like Daniel, Isaiah, or Joel. Not from the similar New Testament passages like Matthew 24, Revelation, 1 Corinthians 15, or Thessalonians 4. As a matter of fact, the very concept that there should be a single global universal institutional church appears nowhere in scripture.

    Quite the contrary, the relevant passages, especially in Acts and the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation, state otherwise. In both, and especially in the letters to the 7 Revelation churches, each church was autonomous with local leadership. And this despite these 7 churches all being in Asia, the same geographic region! Had there been anything like hierarchical government or universal ecumenical institutions, there wouldn’t have been a need to send the 7 letters to the 7 individual elders. They would have only had to send one letter to the presiding bishop who governed the 7 elders on a single group of topics, rather than addressing each church according to its unique character and local situation. Yet you have a bunch of “signs and wonders” charismatics and evangelicals so convinced that they need to follow this movement and people like Todd Bentley in order to fulfill some Biblical prophecy for the globe to be evangelized and the church to be unified before the rapture happens.

    If it is bashing Jews simply because they are Jews, then you know that I oppose the sins of racism and bigotry. But if it is trying to figure out where these doctrines came from and why, then I am all for it. Seriously, who else wants a single universal catholic church but Rome, and the evangelical Protestants that have been heavily influenced by them? Who else believes that this church should not only govern itself, but also govern or heavily influence civil affairs?

  3. I will read your words to keep a better picture.

  4. This is a critique of the link and not a personal attack on you at all:

    The link has many things that are true and other things that are false. The things alleged about Ignatius Loyola is half true. Loyola’s Jesuit Order was created as a means to promoted to be apart of the Counter Reformation. The Jesuits to this days are involved in promoting illegal immigration, Marxism, rule several Universities in America alone, and have a nefarious history. Yet, there is no conclusive evidence which exists showing that Loyola was a Marrano Jewish person. A Marrano is someone who is Jewish that converts to Catholicism to hide out their true identity for fear of persecution. In fact, the Jesuits harbored hatred of Jewish historically. They soon didn’t allow any Jewish people to be an overt Jesuit member until after WWII. Now, the Jesuit connections of Ribera to some aspects of the pre-trib rapture are true. Yet, the Tribulation, the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ, and other aspects of prophecy clearly are from the Scriptures.

    The Star of David has its origin from the Mystery Religion. Its ‘s a Hexagram and OJ Graham’s research have documented its arcane history in his book. Many accept it who are Christian and Jewish, because they are ignorant of its origin. Many secular and occultists aren’t ignorant of its origin though. Also, this is very similar to America having paganism in its foundations, yet people unknowingly accept them. Wickedness occur in every nation, not just one. There has been righteous people living in Israel since its founding just like in America. Since 1948, patriotic Jewish people like Barry Chamish have opposed the secular Labor Zionist movement in Israel.

    I don’t believe that the Bible teaches that Jesus will return 2 times after his first ascension into Heaven from ca. 32 A.D. I believe Jesus will return 1 time in the future after the Tribulation. What was interesting is that the link rightfully tied to the Jesuits to the radical form of the pre-trib rapture view. The early church definitely accepted futurism (i.e. that Jesus will come into the future after the Tribulation. The Bible says this including Justin, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, and others). It’s very much historical to see Scofield and the Plymouth Bethren’s handiwork in the radical pre-trib movement. Ironically, the Jesuit Luis de Alcazar was the founder of Preterism. That link doesn’t mention the Jesuit/Preterism tie at all. Alcazar wrote a 900 page commentary titled, “Investigation of the Hidden Sense of the Apocalypse.” It teaches the Preterism view that the book of Revelation is already fulfilled in its prophecies.

    Many people who believe in the rapture do believe in Dominionism. I will admit to that. I believe in the rapture as well, but it being after the Tribulation. On the other hand, I reject Dominionism. Also, I would add that many Reconstructionists hate the rapture and the prophecies of the book of Revelation especially. As for your words about Azusa Street is fairly accurate. Yet, their support of an empire in no way is a justification for the denial of the existence of the rapture. Some of the pro-Pentecostal/Emergent Church types even reject the coming of Jesus Christ unless by the establishment of a man-made theocracy. It’s a fact that the book of Matthew say that Jesus won’t come until the Gospel is spread unto all Creation (as found in Matthew 24:14 saying, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”), not the formation of a theocratic empire. This is similar to the goal of may pro-British Israel supporters to form an empire. In conclusion, the link mixes truth with errors to attempt to back up its agenda (to bash anyone believing in a rapture or believes that Israel has an important role in prophecy. The link contradicts John 4:22 saying that salvation is of the Jews and Romans 11 saying that God hasn’t forsaken Israel totally and other verses). The link makes no distinction between Pre and Post rapture individuals (which I am post-trib). It’s makes the big lie that the rapture teaching could be the reason why the crises in the Middle East occurs when the Middle East has a complex history (most of the problems there are occuring because of Western intervention and the restriction of those there to solve their own problems). It promotes the lie that Jewish people living in Israel aren’t Semitic when genetic evidence prove that Sephardic, etc. Jewish people in Israel are Semitic just like the Arabic tribes living there. I would read the link since it has some relevant and truthful information, but I would never trust 100%. It calls anyone believing in the rapture as nearly a cult follower.

  5. joeland7 said

    This comment is only for those who are seeking knowledge and truth.. This information isn’t for the casual reader.
    There is a big big question as to the origin of modern day Jew. Are they the keeper of the Kabbalah? Are modern day Jews really of Abraham seed? What is the relationship between Jews and the Catholic church or the Illuminati?
    http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/is-modern-israel-in-bible-prophecy/
    Is Modern Israel in Bible Prophecy? The Master Plan and The Balfour Accord

  6. Job said

    Joeland7:

    I am aware that modern Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform Judaism regards the Kabbalah to be legitimate, and that the Talmud is basically an introduction to the Kabbalah. I found that out when the Jerusalem Post criticized Madonnah for reading the Kabbalah without first having read or followed the Talmud.

  7. Todd said

    PRETRIB RAPTURE – HIDDEN FACTS !‏

    How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He is now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. Since Jesus must personally participate in the rapture, and since He can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends, the rapture therefore cannot take place before the end of the trib! Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) (which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening – Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who would be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54)! (Will death be ended before or during the trib?) If anyone wonders how long pretrib rapturism has been taught, he or she can Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards.” Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 it was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Other Google articles throwing light on long-covered-up facts about the 178-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Revisers of Pretrib Rapture History,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Pretrib Rapture Desperados” and “Deceiving and Being Deceived” – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” which is available at Armageddon Books online. Just my two cents’ worth. Todd

  8. Jon said

    DOLCINO? DUH!

    Eschatological enforcer Thomas Ice claims that someone named Dolcino taught a pretribulation rapture in 1304 A.D. What Ice doesn’t like to reveal is that Dolcino’s “proof” DOESN’T EVEN EXIST! So what does Ice’s claim rest on? Well, LONG AFTER Dolcino’s death an ANONYMOUS person wrote a SECONDHAND history of what Dolcino reportedly penned – a history that was CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES between the 1300s and the 1900s! If you’re wondering about Thomas Ice’s qualifications as a scholar, Google “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers)” and “Thomas Ice (Hired Gun).” Many are unaware that after the Communists took over Russia and China, there were Christians in those countries who became violent with pastors who had constantly assured them that they would be raptured before anything resembling end-time horrors. Can Ice and other pretrib rapture merchandisers rest assured that if such scenarios occur in America and some other “rapturized” countries, Christians won’t be just as violent towards them?

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