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Post Trib African Thoughts On United States Economic Crisis

Posted by Job on September 27, 2008

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Update…Pray and Seek The Lord… Your only place of SAFETY is in Jesus Christ…KM Sept 27
What is happening brethren should not take us unaware. Many people simply see the destruction of the US through this financial Crisis, I don’t, I instead see a rise of FASCISM never seen before in the US and Global History – A Global Beast System. The failing Banks are real but also a decoy to what is being engineered here – The Rise of a One Global Financial Institution that will be both Political and Militaristic in its execution!

It is amazing to see banks merging together at such unprecedented rates…Washington Mutual Bought out by JP Morgan, UK based Barclays which owns Banks in almost all towns in Uganda, Africa (for those who wish to flee there), takes Lehman Brothers, now the talk this weekend is Citi Bank (has business in Uganda and East Africa too…) merging with Wachovia, and the chain will continue up…

I don’t think that the mergers will stop here, they will go up until the pyramid is complete with only one guy at the top – the big eye overseeing all investments. Will it happen tomorrow? I don’t think so and that is why I am not so quick to announce that the US is a dead horse like some Bible Prophecy students are implying.

When I read Bible prophecy and try to decipher what will come ahead, I DO NOT see the US collapse financially or by an economic crisis. I see instead WAR that leads to the collapse of the US… If The US is seen as Babylon the Great in Revelation 17,18, then she is brought down by war — in one hour, all her plagues come to her in one day and by surprise that the merchants of the earth who trade with her are caught unaware…

I believe that this “financial crisis” is a decoy, a detractor, a mirage in the desert… Remember the Iraq War and Weapons of Mass Destruction? Well, I believe this could very well be a decoy and the financial thugs run free with even more control over your daily life financially and 700 Billion pocket change…

However, lets pray for both Presidential Candidates and for their safety regardless of if you like Obama or McCain… The decisions that the next US President makes will affect the whole world. Why was McCain dragging his feet into the debates and unsure of himself? Is he smelling something evil in the making that it is useless for him to continue to run for president? Even in the presidential debate in Mississippi, McCain looked very unsure of himself and liked forced to debate…

Some have theorized that the US constitution could be suspended… Iran could be attacked, etc…. Usually in times of Financial crisis, war happens… Recall the Great Depression and the Second World War? Before 9/11, the financial markets went crazy? This is all speculation and just a ‘huuhm’…

I am not sensational here and will not, however, pray for the protection of the leaders of the US including the infamous GW Bush…lets not have an ugly October Surprise… Do not walk in fear and make decisions out of paranoia but Trust in The Lord and He will guide and lead you in all your ways. These are very interesting times but our Trust is in The Lord.

Update…Worrying About The Current US Economic Crisis is fruitless…KM Sept 26
As Christians we are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ not only in good times but also in bad times, and there is no such an opportune time as this. Lots of folks are worried, fearful, and very paranoid as to what will happen next. It is not good that many “Bible Prophecy” websites are only promoting Fear while others simply ignore current events in light of the Scriptures and refuse to Watch as The Lord Commanded us…

However, The Lord has not called us to live in fear and Paranoia. The truth is that this is not even to the scale mentioned in The Book of Revelation, this is just a beginning of sorrows. Tough times lay ahead but it is time to seize this opportunity and testify for Christ by our Character in Christ and Word of Jesus Christ.

Worrying about the economy will not fix it. All human systems will certainly fail and none will stand. Your trust cannot be in money or Stock Market… Your Trust Must be in Christ Jesus. He alone can Sustain you and Provide and Protect you in these times. The Name of The Lord is a Strong Tower and the Righteous Run to it and are SAFE….

Our only place of Safety is in Jesus Christ. I would like to inform my American Audience that things are very worse in Africa and never reported on CNN or FOX… You are blessed in the US that even with the current economic crisis, you still have food on your table… Yes, like I said, the rich are going to only get richer and the poor, poorer…

However, live simple, eat less, cut back on unnecessary expenditure…you will feel free from control of the Materialism and want of it… Food won’t control you, neither, fancy life styles… Remember, you are a pilgrim in this world… However, don’t give up on hard work…be faithful at work, and work harder regardless, as to The Lord and not to please Man…(Read my Commentary of 1 and 2 Thessalonians ) Seek out the needy in America and help them freely and with humility… Above all seek The Lord, pray, read your bible and seek His will… The Grace and Peace of God be with you.
Matthew 6:25-34
(25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
(26) Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
(27) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
(28) And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
(29) And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
(30) Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
(31) Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(32) (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
(33) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
(34) Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Update…The Rich will continue getting Richer and The Poor, Poorer…KM Sept 24
Despite the US economic crisis, the rich will continue getting richer and the poor will become even more poorer. The US government bail out of the ‘Big Boys’ by paying them 700 Billion (which is a polite way of saying 1 Trillion US Dollars) is just a start.

Many have prophesied that the End of the US Economic Hegemony is now… I tend to think otherwise, I only see it transitioning into a Global Vicious Economic Beast that will be controlled only by a Few ‘Rich Men of The Earth’. As you struggle to get bread and milk on your table by paying a day’s wage for it, others will be enjoying free luxurious wines the world has to offer.

Read carefully the Book of Revelation and see for yourself the economic gap as it continues to widen… George W Bush and his surrogates have raped America and emptied the 3 Trillion surplus, Stolen Billions daily in an illegal war in Iraq through their companies like Blackwater and Haliburton and are now leaving office with a 1 Trillion Dollar Blank Check that they love to call a ‘700 Billion Dollar Bail Out’… Welcome to the World of the ‘Rich Men of The Earth’… Not only will the US bail out its banks but even foreign Banks… This is the greatest international Bank scam as one blogger put it…The Redistribution of wealth…

However, remember that this is just for a time… The Whore Rides the Beast for a Time… Before she is torn apart, her flesh eaten, and burnt with fire… When I read Revelation, I see more foreigners buy US companies and invest heavily… That is why the merchants of the earth – the rich men of the earth mourn as they see their wealth evaporate as The Whore is destroyed in one hour…

This is very possible…I believe that the 700 Billion Bail out will fail and then foreign investors will buy US companies for pennies…they will take advantage of the great consumerism in the US… They will also own SLAVES… Have you wondered how in the world slavery would return in this day and age??? Well, let the Chinese and Abu Dhabi – Dubai Investors come to America… Folks will sell themselves to work just for bread….

There is a clear separation of the Poor and the Wealthy… The Rich Men of The Earth will continue to viciously oppress the poor and loot huge amount of wealth… Only Jesus Christ will Return and Stop Them…

Notice that during the Hard Economic Times, Wine is not touched, a symbol of wealth, well being and luxury… Riches continue even in Apocalyptic times…
Revelation 6:6
(6) And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Notice the ‘Rich and Great Men of the Earth’…
Revelation 6:15
(15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Notice the Viciouness of the “Rich Men of The Earth’…
James 5:1-6
(1) Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
(2) Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
(3) Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
(4) Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
(5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
(6) Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
Notice the ‘Rich Men of the Earth’ oppress the poor…
James 2:1-7
(1) My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
(2) For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
(3) And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
(4) Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
(5) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
(6) But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
(7) Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Notice — The Love of Money is source of ALL Evil…More Wars to come worse than the Iraq War, all because of money…
1 Timothy 6:9-10
(9) But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
(10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

…More 2’morrow…

Update…Be Wise in The Lord…Seek God’s Will…Walk not in Fear…Sept 21

Ephesians 5:15-21
(15) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
(16) Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
(17) Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
(18) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
(19) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
(20) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
(21) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

2 Timothy 1:7
(7) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Update…USA Economic Crisis NOT the End but an Emergence of a Global Beast…Sept 20

I am continuously amazed at the panic, paranoia, and fear in Christian circles, especially Bible Prophecy Students who depend on Wall Street and its Stock Market to determine Bible Prophecy. While it is not an evil thing to watch the Markets on Wall Street, we should pay much serious attention to what The Bible has to say insofar as these hard economic times go. Now, if your eschatology is based on Wall Street, then on Monday, you would say, it is the end of the world as stocks collapsed and by Friday, you would think that differently as stocks went up in record highs… So, I don’t believe in ‘Stock Market Bible Prophecy’…Those who heavily really on such to see the future are only looking to the surface of things.

There are a number of things happening that we must watch out for, and that is more government control and oversight. What capitalism has done is to hand over all your rights and freedoms to government after raping and abusing them. Now Government says you have no brains to manage your own affairs and therefore, they will help you out by first bailing out your employers and then buying all your debt….is any one out there paying attention????

We all remember September 11 2001, what happened, people cried out to Government to BAIL THEM OUT in regards to ‘Protection’ and what we got was Patriot Act and more refined Patriot Acts…spying and no more privacy…. Big Brother emerged to such scales as never before in USA and global history…. The US exported the Idea of War on Terror to almost all nations that even poor Nations like Uganda have ‘Terror Watch Programs’, wholly funded by the US government in the fight against Terror…the purpose of these entities is to spy on citizens to make sure that no one posses a threat to US Hegemonic interests…. After 9/11 people screamed “More Government Control”, “Protect us”, “Security, security”… Little did people realize that this was a surrender in series of all their rights to a Global Super Power… People would make silly remarks like ” I don’t care about all the security we go through at the airports, as long as I am safe and government protects me”…

Now we have had a major US global financial crisis and the Powers that be are using this situation as a ‘God Sent’ and foolish and stupid people are again crying for more Government control and oversight in the financial sector…. There is an old Ugandan Proverb that speaks of a Man who went to cut down a tree only to find that strong winds had thrown it down… Now that is what is happening… The current US financial Crisis is a means to hand over Financial instruments in series to more Government control… The buzz word that we have heard throughout this week has been, Regulation, Regulation, stronger Government Regulation…blah blah Blah Regulation…

On Wall Street Stocks went high as Government “Heard the cries of the people” and “responded” by BUYING ALL BAD DEBT that these GLOBAL corporations own… The Government now has 80 per cent shares in GLOBAL AIG… If you own a Bad Debt on a house, then Government essentially bought you! Remember, these corporations being BAILED out are GLOBAL entities with GLOBAL investments…

A Chinese Newspaper commented for need of a ‘New Financial Order’…Remember that the US Government has borrowed billions from China and other nations to finance its war in Iraq, thanks to G W Bush and his surrogates… Interestingly enough, other nations are happy at The US promising stronger regulation in the Financial Markets…and are following suit, promising to help ‘chip in’ into their financial markets…

What we see is that the current economic crisis in the US is not the end of US economic Hegemony but an emergence of a Global Beast together with all other Nations that will makeup the Coalition of the Willing in fight against Global Financial Meltdowns as we have seen this week. The Chinese will have their prayers answered for a ‘New Global Financial Order’ unfortunately, it will be led by the US as of now… She is the “Beauty that rides the Beast”… The Whore that rides the Beast in Revelation 17 sounds familiar????

However, what does that mean for the US folks, your incomes and expenditures will be greatly reduced… More Wars will ensue… What Uncle Sam Gives, He Taketh Away… Your debt might be paid off by joining the Military and fighting wars in Afghanistan and or some ‘…stan’ nation…then Government will payoff your house if you don’t return back in a plastic bag…

So, the US is not done yet…her Hegemony is still growing, only this time that it is ushering in a new era of Global Governance… It is this reason that the world is awaiting an Obama administration… His visit to Germany underscored that point…they want a leader who will usher in a new era of Global Governance and surely Obama has the appeal globally and not McCain and His flamboyant Evangelical Palin… The Beauty has to Ride the Beast…

….More, 2’morrow…
Kato M…

Update…More in response to emails about the current economic crisis in the USA…Sept 18

I believe that The Lord will continue to Judge wickedness among the Nations and with special focus on America. However, if America is Babylon as in Revelation 18, then her Judgments seem to happen in one day, in one hour….a similar verse in Jeremiah 50, 51… It seems like The Lord judges Babylon differently from other Nations and does it in His own time…

Yes, I believe in Revelation 17:16 that Babylon gets her flesh torn and then burnt…however, this does not spell any time period…. So, that argument that there is a period between her flesh being torn and burnt is repetitive…and begs for more answers and speculation….and I agree to a point but I leave it to be speculative… Yes, the Ten Kings could very well eat her flesh, and burn her with fire in one day – one hour… So, the Bible does not give us any fixed time period between when the Ten Kings eat her flesh and burn her with fire…it could all happen at the same time… However, I leave room for speculation…and speculation at that…

About Fleeing, my position is that you seek The Lord’s Will and be led of The Holy Spirit as to where to be and do The Lord’s will…

So, those who advocate fleeing, tell us , where will you go? To Canada??? One guy left with a group up there and the results were bad…what do you do with Canada joining the American Union? Flee to Mexico?, Flee to Georgia? Russia will be waiting for you there… Where in the world will you flee to? Maybe Somalia…oh, it is too painful and poor there….maybe Uganda…the USA has strong presence there, AIG, CITI Group, all have powerful investment arms there… They are planning the ‘Africa Command’…a super US military base in Africa…it could be in Uganda or Nigeria… Uganda is also a US Client State… One individual was encouraging a Christian Exodus… Let me warn you that you need to be careful of such folks…flee from them instead… One individual advocated divorcing or separating from your wife if need be so as to flee USA Babylon… Another individual claims that American Christians cannot be saved unless they Flee Babylon… Brethren, lets not be foolish and become stupid by acting on the PARANOIA of some who call their fear of the future Bible Prophecy…

By the way, if you are planning to flee, Tomorrow maybe TO LATE, suppose Babylon is destroyed on Friday yet you plan on Fleeing on Wednesday the following week?

What about the POOR CHRISTIANS who cannot afford to flee even New York to get to another State? I know many many Christians in America and they are poor, yet they love Jesus Christ and are faithful to Him. How will they flee if they cannot even afford an air ticket to Canada????
This fleeing seems tailored only to the wealthy Christians who can afford it….

Let us not take a single verse in Revelation 18:4 out of context with all other verses in The Bible…Those who are Children of God are led by The Holy Spirit… The Lord will lead and protect His own just like He did to His people in Egypt, delivered Daniel and His Three Friends from Fire and Lions, Lot out of Sodom etc…

My position and opinion is that we should trust in The Lord’s providence and Protection and also it will TAKE THE HAND OF GOD AND WORKING OF GOD to protect and keep His people in places of safety…

Lastly, this is what is coming to Christians in AMERICA — PERSECUTION…and better be prepared for that…they will deliver you up in Churches and you will be hated by all men for my Name Sake…

Yes, The Lord’s judgments are coming and are to increase in intensity upon the Nations but LET US NOT BE REACTIVE Christians but RESPONSIVE, SOBER, and with a SOUND MIND…

Also many Bible Prophecy Students have become TOO SELFISH that they only think about their welfare…about fleeing…so as to avoid pain…this is nothing but escapism… Why don’t we think about other Christians suffering right now in America instead of just running away??? Hurricane Gustav destroyed many people’s properties, so did Ike, yet these Christians only seek to run away not even considering the fact that many Christians lost property down in Texas because of Ike…lets stop this ‘flee’ foolishness and stupidity!

Why not consider helping the poor Christians in Texas and maybe… I ask, what have you done to help those who cannot’ flee’ USA??? You are only considering you and your welfare but millions of poor Christians in the USA are not your concern… I tell you, be very careful, you might end up falling prey to some Jim Jones out there!!!

….more 2’morrow…
Kato M

Update…Is Current Economic Shake up in USA Babylon the End? I don’t Think so…Sept 17

In response to some emails, I strongly believe that if the USA is Babylon spoken of in Revelation 18, then she certainly comes down at the HEIGHT of HER ECONOMIC Power…not when when she gets economic meltdowns…

Revelation 18:11
(11) And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Revelation 18:15-19
(15) The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
(16) And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
(17) For in one hour so great riches is come to naught. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
(18) And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
(19) And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Any Bible prophecy student can read Revelation 18 and see clearly the ECONOMIC Descriptions of Babylon at her destruction, she is mighty, wealthy, merchants with ships at sea feed her indulgence, she is a super power and merchants weep when all her wealth is destroyed in ONE HOUR…so the talk in Bible Prophecy circles that this economic down turn spells the end of Babylon is laughable, if one seriously looks at Revelation 18.

I tell you what, be very very scared when this current economic crisis is done away with and the American economy booms again to levels never seen before…that is when destruction comes, and in one hour…when they least expect it…when they say peace, peace, then sudden destruction — in one hour!

The Biblical trends of the fall of global empires is very similar…Egypt was judged by The Lord at the HEIGHT of her Power and not when she faced famine during the Joseph time… Babylon fell at the Height of her Power, King Nebuchadnezzar lost his mind at The HEIGHT of his Power when all was well…King Herod was slain by an Angel at the Height of his power when he stood up and people worshiped him as a god…

Revelation 18 is clear that Babylon is destroyed at The Height of her economic power with a booming economy — in One Hour all her wealth is destroyed… So, Bible Prophecy Students, are you really serious that the USA is Babylon the Great in Revelation 18???????

Another question then arises…are there two or three Babylons? The one in Jeremiah 50,51 whose destruction is somewhat systematic and another in Revelation 18, whose destruction is in one hour, or are they all one and the same but the Bible giving us different pictures of what will take place at her destruction in ONE HOUR???????

The current economic crisis is shaking the theology and eschatology of many…Bible prophecy is not playing out the way they wish and like…it is better to have the child like faith before The Lord and know that He is ultimately in control to fulfill Bible Prophecy in His own time…and not we, for we only prophesy in part and see in part…

1 Corinthians 13:9-10
(9) For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
(10) But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

1 Corinthians 13:12
(12) For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Update…Emails about ‘The Folly of Fleeing’…Sept 15 2008
I have been getting some emails about fleeing Babylon and my humble position after studying Bible prophecy on the subject is that you seek The Lord’s will and live where He desires you to be, seeking to please Him daily, even in times of tribulation and hardship, or even death…

There is a false doctrine and teaching out there that Salvation of Christians in America is dependent on Rev 18:4, if they don’t fulfill it then they are not some how saved…

I will be writing more about this subject in days to come… Otherwise don’t give into the fear and end time bible prophecy paranoia, especially in these hard times from some folks who take advantage of tough times to promote their own crafted teachings.

You are not the first nor the last that The Lord has rescued or will rescue out or protect during times of judgment, the Bible is full of such accounts… Fix your eyes on Jesus Christ, The Author and Finisher of your Faith… The Greatest Escape you can make is to flee Babylon Spiritually and not be attached to her spiritual moral decadence… You can only do that by seeking God’s Will, Obeying Jesus Christ and following Him any place He leads you…

I would like to remind all folks, especially, my American Audience that the current tough economic times is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD…and NOT THE END OF AMERICA…Don’t be deceived…


6 Responses to “Post Trib African Thoughts On United States Economic Crisis”

  1. Devon said

    Something caught my eye here…it states that mayby some American Christians could ‘flee’ to my country of Canada??

    Uhh…Canada is worse for christians then America is…quite easily in fact…Indeed, many Christians up here are thinking of fleeing to America because of low grade persecution up here…

    Incredibly people are being brought before ‘hate crime’ tribunals for preaching the Gospel…ie Preaching against Homosexuality……

    Trust me…Canada is no safer for the Christian then America or any other Western Country…..were all in bad shape…

    The main thing from this article is to abide in Christ whereever you are….many of us, even if we wanted to flee somewhere cannot because of limited economic means….

    The Savior will take care of us and he will be glorified regardless of what his Church faces….

    Interesting article otherwise.

  2. If you go into Canada, you might get might locked up for your beliefs sooner than in America. I rather die here in America. I’m here in it, I have to face whatever comes. Canada is a beautiful place though, but I was born in America and I will die here. Devon, you’re right.

  3. Job said

    Timothy and Devon:

    The writer of this article may not be aware of the situation in Canada. The media certainly is not reporting it, because they do not want people to know that they have the same plans for this country.

  4. Devon said

    That’s true Job…when I thought about it after, that’s kinda what I thought…

  5. djenk23 said

    props on this, Job…it spoke directly to me…

  6. Charles said

    (Just some quotes that I recently found on the web. Charles)

    Famous Rapture Watchers – Addendum

    by Dave MacPherson

    (The statements in my “Famous Rapture Watchers” web article appeared in my 1983 book “The Great Rapture Hoax” and quoted only past leaders. Here are the other leaders who were quoted in that original printing.)

    Oswald J. Smith: “…I am absolutely convinced that there will be no rapture before the Tribulation, but that the Church will undoubtedly be called upon to face the Antichrist…” (Tribulation or Rapture – Which?, p. 2).

    Paul B. Smith: “You are perfectly free to quote me as believing rather emphatically in the post-tribulation teaching of the Bible” (letter dated June 9, 1976).

    S. I. McMillen: “…Christians will suffer in the Great Tribulation” (Discern These Times, p. 55).

    Norman F. Douty: “…all of the evidence of history runs one way – in favor of Post-tribulationism” (Has Christ’s Return Two Stages?, p. 113).

    Leonard Ravenhill: “There is a cowardly Christianity which…still comforts its fainting heart with the hope that there will be a rapture – perhaps today – to catch us away from coming tribulation” (Sodom Had No Bible, p. 94).

    William Hendriksen: “…the one and only second coming of Christ to judgment” (Israel in Prophecy, p. 29).

    Loraine Boettner: “Hence we conclude that nowhere in Scripture does it teach a secret or pre-tribulation Rapture” (The Millennium, p. 168).

    J. Sidlow Baxter: “…believers of the last days (there is only one small part of the total Church on earth at any given moment) will be on earth during the so-called ‘Great Tribulation’ ” (Explore the Book, Vol. 6, p. 345).

    Merrill C. Tenney: “There is no convincing reason why the seer’s being ‘in the Spirit’ and being called into heaven [Revelation 4:1-2] typifies the rapture of the church…” (Interpreting Revelation, p. 141).

    James R. Graham: “…there is not a line of the N.T. that declares a pre-tribulation rapture, so its advocates are compelled to read it into certain indeterminate texts…” (Watchman, What of the Night?, p. 79).

    Ralph Earle: “The teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture seems first to have been emphasized widely about 100 years ago by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren” (Behold, I Come, p. 74).

    Clarence B. Bass: “…I most strongly believe dispensationalism to be a departure from the historic faith…” (Backgrounds to Dispensationalism, p. 155).

    William C. Thomas: “The return of Jesus Christ, described by parousia, revelation, and epiphany, is one single, glorious, triumphant event for which we all wait with great eagerness!” (The Blessed Hope in the Thessalonian Epistles of Paul, p. 42).

    Harold J. Ockenga: “No exegetical justification exists for the arbitrary separation of the ‘coming of Christ’ and the ‘day of the Lord.’ It is one ‘day of the Lord Jesus Christ’ ” (Christian Life, February, 1955).

    Duane Edward Spencer: “Paul makes it very clear that the Church will pass through the Great Tribulation” (“Rapture-Tribulation” cassette).

    J. C. Maris: “Nowhere the Bible teaches that the Church of Jesus Christ is heading for world dominion. On the contrary – there will be no place for her, save in ‘the wilderness,’ where God will take care of her (Rev. 12:13-17)” (I.C.C.C. leaflet “The Danger of the Ecumenical Movement,” p. 2).

    F. F. Bruce: “To meet the Lord [I Thessalonians 4:17]…on the final stage of…[Christ’s] journey…to the earth…” (New Bible Commentary: Revised, p. 1159).

    G. Christian Weiss: “Some people say that this [‘gospel of the kingdom’ in Matthew 24:14] is not the gospel of grace but is a special aspect of the gospel to be preached some time in the future. But there is nothing in the context to indicate this” (“Back to the Bible” broadcast, February 9, 1976).

    Pat Brooks: “Soon we, in the Body of Christ, will be confronted by millions of people disillusioned by such false teaching [Pre-Tribism]” (Hear, O Israel, p. 186).

    Herman Hoeksema: “…the time of Antichrist, when days so terrible are still to arrive for the church…” (Behold, He Cometh!, p. 131).

    Ray Summers: “Because they [Philadelphia] have been faithful, he promises his sustaining grace in the tribulation…” (Worthy Is the Lamb, p. 123).

    George E. Ladd: “[Pretribulationism] may be guilty of the positive danger of leaving the Church unprepared for tribulation when Antichrist appears…” (The Blessed Hope, p. 164).

    Peter Beyerhaus: “The Christian Church on earth [will face] the final, almost superhuman test of being confronted with the apocalyptical temptation by Antichrist” (Christianity Today, April 13, 1973).

    Leon Morris: “The early Christians…looked for the Christ to come as Judge” (Apocalyptic, p. 84).

    Dale Moody: “There is not a passage in the New Testament to support Scofield. The call to John to ‘come up hither’ has reference to mystical ecstasy, not to a pretribulation rapture” (Spirit of the Living God, p. 203).

    John R. W. Stott: “He would not spare them from the suffering [Revelation 3:10]; but He would uphold them in it” (What Christ Thinks of the Church, p. 104).

    G. R. Beasley-Murray: “…the woman, i.e., the Church…flees for refuge into the wilderness [Revelation 12:14]…” (The New Bible Commentary, p. 1184).

    Bernard L. Ramm: “…as the Church moves to meet her Lord at the parousia world history is also moving to meet its Judge at the same parousia” (Leo Eddleman’s Last Things, p. 41).

    J. Barton Payne: “…the twentieth century has indeed witnessed a progressively rising revolt against pre-tribulationism” (The Imminent Appearing of Christ, p. 38).

    Robert H. Gundry: “Divine wrath does not blanket the entire seventieth week…but concentrates at the close” (The Church and the Tribulation, p. 63).

    C. S. Lovett: “Frankly I favor a post-trib rapture…I no longer teach Christians that they will NOT have to go through the tribulation” (PC, January, 1974).

    Walter R. Martin: “Walter Martin finally said…’Yes, I’m a post-trib’ ” (Lovett’s PC, December, 1976).

    Jay Adams: “Today’s trend is…from pre- to posttribulationism” (The Time Is at Hand, p. 2).

    Jim McKeever: “Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Rapture will precede the Tribulation” (Christians Will Go Through the Tribulation, p. 55).

    Arthur Katz: “I think it fair to tell you that I do not subscribe to the happy and convenient theology which says that God’s people are going to be raptured and lifted up when a time of tribulation and trial comes” (Reality, p. 8).

    Billy Graham: “Perhaps the Holy Spirit is getting His Church ready for a trial and tribulation such as the world has never known” (Sam Shoemaker’s Under New Management, p. 72).

    W. J. Grier: “The Scofield Bible makes a rather desperate effort…it tries to get in the ‘rapture’ of the saints before the appearing of Antichrist” (The Momentous Event, p. 58).

    Pat Robertson: “Jesus Christ is going to come back to earth again to deliver Israel and at the same time to rapture His Church; it’s going to be one moment, but it’s going to be a glorious time” (“700 Club” telecast, May 14, 1975).

    Ben Kinchlow: “Any wrath [during the Tribulation] that comes upon us – any difficulty – will not be induced by God, but it’ll be like the people are saying, ‘The cause of our problems are those Christians in our midst; we need to get rid of them’ ” (“700 Club” telecast, August 28, 1979).

    Daniel P. Fuller: “It is thus concluded that Dispensationalism fails to pass the test of an adequate system of Biblical Interpretation” (The Hermeneutics of Dispensationalism, p. 369).

    Corrie ten Boom: “The Bible prophesies that the time will come when we cannot buy or sell, unless we bear the sign of the Antichrist…” (Tramp for the Lord, p. 187).

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