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The Southern Baptist Convention’s Lifeway Bookstores Is Right: Gospel Today Magazine IS Promoting Women Pastors!

Posted by Job on September 19, 2008

Gospel Today magazine pulled from Christian bookstores’ shelves

Now do not go overboard in your praise of Lifeway, for they also carry the heresies of not only Rick Warren, but also oneness pentecostal prosperity doctrine word of faith T.D. Jakes. But in this matter, Lifeway is 100% correct. Gospel Today made their decision easy by telegraphing the fact that they are obviously promoting being conformed to the ways of this world rather than following scripture with this quote:

“It’s really kind of sad when you have people like [Gov.] Sarah Palin and [Sen.] Hillary Clinton providing encouragement and being role models for women around the world that we have such a divergent opinion about women who are able to be leaders in the church,” Hairston said. “I was pretty shocked.” 

Not only is this worldliness, but it is deception and dishonesty, flat out lying with the willful intent to confuse, mislead, and deceive Christians. Hairston well knows that the Bible only withholds from women positions of leadership over men, including pastorates, in the church and in the home. Outside of the church and home, a woman can hold any position that she wants: CEO, president, lawyer, doctor, you name it. And the Bible practices what it preaches, for Lydia of Thyatira of Acts was an entrepreneur/businesswoman who opened her house to the very New Testament writer whom the Holy Spirit inspired to restrict women from pastorates, apostle Paul. Lydia is credited with founding one of the apostolic churches in her home and therefore played a key role in bringing the gospel to a new area, but she was not a pastor. If these people are willing to throw away what the Bible says on women pastors to follow Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin today, what other confusion and disobedience will they cast aside the Bible in order to follow tomorrow? Hillary Clinton’s embrace of universalism and abortion? Or what about Sarah Palin’s refusal to denounce the sin of homosexuality, claiming that she has “diversity in her family”, thereby implying that being homosexual is no different from being Native American like her own husband and children? The same Palin who can proclaim that God’s will is being advanced by our invading Iraq and her seeking federal money to build an oil pipeline in her state says that she is unqualified to discern and judge what the Bible plainly says about homosexuality? And we are still looking for the snipers that were shooting at Hillary Clinton in Bosnia, aren’t we? And these are the people that Gospel Today wants you to cast aside your Bibles for and follow? It is becoming ever easier to determine in this day and age who is loving Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments (John 14:15)  and who isn’t. In many cases all that is required is to open your eyes.

9 Responses to “The Southern Baptist Convention’s Lifeway Bookstores Is Right: Gospel Today Magazine IS Promoting Women Pastors!”

  1. NYTN said

    Job, you said “…the Bible only withholds from women positions of leadership over men…”. Can you please show me that in the scriptures? I haven’t seen that anywhere.

    If you are referring to 1 Timothy 2:11-15, the plain reading of this passage clearly refers to the husband/wife relationship. Paul clarifies this fact by referring to Adam and Eve (husband/wife) and the ‘salvation’ of women in childbirth (which is ordained ONLY in MARRIAGE). And wives are not to ‘usurp authority’ over their HUSBANDS, per God’s command to Eve in Genesis 3:16.

    If you are referring to 1 Corinthians 14:34, then you must know that the very next verse advises that these same women “ask their HUSBANDS at home”. That is CLEARLY a marital relationship, and cannot be disputed on any rational basis.

    So again, I respectfully ask: Where in scripture are women forbidden to hold positions of leadership over men inside the church building? Also, where in scripture does it state or imply that outside of the church and home, “a woman can hold any position that she wants”?

  2. Job said

    NYTN:

    1. Name a single female apostle or elder mentioned in the New Testament, or in early church history. There are none. By contrast, the New Testament does list female deacons and prophets. What do you suppose is the reason for this? Are you accusing the apostles and the early church of disobeying God by refusing to ordain female elders? Or are you accusing the Holy Spirit of concealing this information from the Bible? Either the apostles were disobedient or the Holy Spirit is into conspiratorial cover – ups. Pick and choose. I will say this: Luke is considered the Bible’s leading feminist theologian. Luke took every opportunity to elevate the status of women and highlight the role that women played in the ministry of Jesus Christ and the early church. Luke’s depiction of Christian women was much more favorable than that of the Christian men, ESPECIALLY the apostles. Christian women in Luke – Acts were depicted as strong, virtuous, fearless, and spiritual while the men were often bickering, faithless, cowardly, and irresponsible. If you were to go by Luke’s account, the women SHOULD HAVE BEEN leading the church! So if there had been female elders and teachers (a position now inappropriately combined into the pastor position in most churches) Luke would have made that information front and center, just as he told you that it was the women who went out and earned the money to support Jesus Christ’s ministry, THE MONEY WHICH THE MAN JUDAS ISCARIOT STOLE.

    So you have no other options, NYTN other than A) the apostles and early church was disobedient, B) the Bible writers, including Luke the feminist, disobeyed the Holy Spirit and covered this information up, C) the Holy Spirit decided to conceal the truth, or D) the church later edited and removed the evidence of women elders and teachers from the Biblical record (which is no different from the similar charges that the church invented Jesus Christ’s deity and resurrection and covered up His marriage to Mary Madgalene, which was being conjectured long before The Da Vinci Code).

    Basically, either the Biblical record is true and therefore should be the model for the contemporary church, or the Biblical record is a lie and your faith is in vain. So which is it? Make your dispute on your “rational basis.”

    2. Give me a single Bible verse that states or implies that New Testament doctrines were meant to govern civil society, rather than the church and the lives of believers. I can give you plenty of examples otherwise, such as when Jesus Christ not only did not allow Himself to be made into a political leader, but even refused to accept the request of a man to tell his brother to divide his inheritance with him. What did Jesus Christ say? “And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?” in Luke 12:14. If you wanted evidence that Jesus Christ is supposed to rule the church and the hearts of the faithful, and that His doctrines are inapplicable elsewhere, there it goes.

    All of this nonsense is due to the fiction that Christians today are somehow to better and outdo the Biblical record. Is it because we think that we are more holy, righteous, and pleasing to God with stronger faith? Or is it because we perceive ourselves to be more knowledgeable and advanced thanks to breakthroughs in science, psychology, politics, sociology, etc.? Of course, it is the latter. Instead of conforming ourselves to the Bible, we ignore the Bible and conform ourselves to the world. Your own Youtube site shows the consequences of such anti – biblical and anti – Christ behavior, so why on earth would you endorse it?

  3. NYTN said

    Job, I haven’t stated a position one way or the other. I merely asked a question — which you have yet to answer. The question, again, is this:

    Where in scripture are all women forbidden to hold positions of leadership over men inside the church building? Also, where in scripture does it state or imply that outside of the church and home, “a woman can hold any position that she wants”?

    I would greatly appreciate your direct and concise answers. Then I will respond to your questions.

    As for your comment, “Your own Youtube site shows the consequences of such anti-biblical and anti-Christ behavior, so why on earth would you endorse it?”, I would really like you to clarify this as well. Please provide an example of any “anti-biblical” or “anti-Christ” behavior, promoted or displayed by me. Such a comment is quite puzzling, since it is my stated and demonstrated purpose to promote the authority, integrity, and superiority of scripture, as well as helping to equip the Body of Christ by bringing attention to false doctrine and it’s purveyors.

    Good day.

  4. NYTN said

    Please disregard the second half of my last comment, as I apparently misunderstood you.

  5. NYTN said

    1. Name a single female apostle or elder mentioned in the New Testament, or in early church history. There are none…Basically, either the Biblical record is true and therefore should be the model for the contemporary church, or the Biblical record is a lie and your faith is in vain. So which is it? Make your dispute on your “rational basis.”

    RESPONSE: As I go about answering your question, I would like to note that the framing of your question is somewhat problematic. I’m wary when people want to limit the discussion on an issue to the NT writings, as if the OT writings are not applicable or authoritative. Also, I don’t understand what you mean by “early church history”. In any event, your question regarding evidence of female apostles, elders, or teachers, in the New Testament, Old Testament, and church history, is answered in this document:

    I call your attention specifically to Unit 1 (Female Leaders in the Old Testament), Unit 3 (Women in the Early Church), and Unit 4 (Are Women Elders Mentioned?).

    Just because something isn’t ‘named in the NT’ doesn’t mean that thing didn’t exist, Job. This is an argument from silence, and is an example of the poor reasoning that is responsible for the church being in the shape it is in today.

    2. Give me a single Bible verse that states or implies that New Testament doctrines were meant to govern civil society, rather than the church and the lives of believers…Instead of conforming ourselves to the Bible, we ignore the Bible and conform ourselves to the world. Your own Youtube site shows the consequences of such anti – biblical and anti – Christ behavior, so why on earth would you endorse it?

    RESPONSE: Again, there are problems with the framing of your question. First of all, I never claimed that “New Testament doctrines were meant to govern civil society”. Even so, what do you mean by “New Testament doctrines” and “civil society”? Putting these aside for now, I will say that my understanding of the scriptures is that THERE IS NO DISTINCTION between the life the believer leads inside the church building, outside the church building, at home, at work, in the airport, or at the grocery store. It is MY understanding — again — that the Christian is to live a holy and Spirit-filled ALL THE TIME. Are not our bodies the TEMPLE of the Holy Spirit? So then it is my view that EVERY INTERACTION THE CHRISTIAN HAS WITH THE WORLD IS A “SPIRITUAL” ENDEAVOR WITH AN ETERNAL AND SPIRITUAL IMPACT (whether we know it or not).

    Now to deal specifically with your question about governing, an argument can be made using Romans 13:1-17. That is to say, since it is established “New Testament doctrine” that God has ordained righteous civil government, then it logically follows that God desires civil government to render justice and maintain order according to HIS principles. This, then, would be a clear indication that “New Testament doctrine” was meant to govern civil society.

    I hope I’ve answered your questions.

  6. NYTN said

    1. Name a single female apostle or elder mentioned in the New Testament, or in early church history. There are none…Basically, either the Biblical record is true and therefore should be the model for the contemporary church, or the Biblical record is a lie and your faith is in vain. So which is it? Make your dispute on your “rational basis.”

    RESPONSE: As I go about answering your question, I would like to note that the framing of your question is somewhat problematic. I’m wary when people want to limit the discussion on an issue to the NT writings, as if the OT writings are not applicable or authoritative. Also, I don’t understand what you mean by “early church history”. In any event, your question regarding evidence of female apostles, elders, or teachers, in the New Testament, Old Testament, and church history, is answered in this document:

    “http://www.pcusa.org/womensministries/history-theology/women-elders.pdf”

    I call your attention specifically to Unit 1 (Female Leaders in the Old Testament), Unit 3 (Women in the Early Church), and Unit 4 (Are Women Elders Mentioned?).

    Just because something isn’t ‘named in the NT’ doesn’t mean that thing didn’t exist, Job. This is an argument from silence, and is an example of the poor reasoning that is responsible for the church being in the shape it is in today.

    2. Give me a single Bible verse that states or implies that New Testament doctrines were meant to govern civil society, rather than the church and the lives of believers…Instead of conforming ourselves to the Bible, we ignore the Bible and conform ourselves to the world. Your own Youtube site shows the consequences of such anti – biblical and anti – Christ behavior, so why on earth would you endorse it?

    RESPONSE: Again, there are problems with the framing of your question. First of all, I never claimed that “New Testament doctrines were meant to govern civil society”. Even so, what do you mean by “New Testament doctrines” and “civil society”? Putting these aside for now, I will say that my understanding of the scriptures is that THERE IS NO DISTINCTION between the life the believer leads inside the church building, outside the church building, at home, at work, in the airport, or at the grocery store. It is MY understanding — again — that the Christian is to live a holy and Spirit-filled ALL THE TIME. Are not our bodies the TEMPLE of the Holy Spirit? So then it is my view that EVERY INTERACTION THE CHRISTIAN HAS WITH THE WORLD IS A “SPIRITUAL” ENDEAVOR WITH AN ETERNAL AND SPIRITUAL IMPACT (whether we know it or not).

    Now to deal specifically with your question about governing, an argument can be made using Romans 13:1-17. That is to say, since it is established “New Testament doctrine” that God has ordained righteous civil government, then it logically follows that God desires civil government to render justice and maintain order according to HIS principles. This, then, would be a clear indication that “New Testament doctrine” was meant to govern civil society.

    I hope I’ve answered your questions.

  7. Please Sir
    show me one single women {married or unmarried} in the 27 books of our NT Canon that was personally given an office of the five fold ministry by Christ or the Apostles themselves which gave her direct authority over men in the church meetings in the first century apostolic church. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and for ever and so is his word.

    Their is no such thing as the ordination of women church leaders whatsoever, unless you go completely outside of scripture

    Pastor Johnny J Christen

  8. NYTN

    QUOTE
    Just because something isn’t ‘named in the NT’ doesn’t mean that thing didn’t exist, Job. This is an argument from silence, and is an example of the poor reasoning that is responsible for the church being in the shape it is in today. {END QUOTE}

    Brother the Bible clearly commands us to test every spirit and to PROVE ALL THINGS! so that statement you made is completely off the wall. {{{Just because something isn’t ‘named in the NT’ doesn’t mean that thing didn’t exist}}}, if that’s the case we might as well believe in the oral tradition of the RCC while were at it right?. {if its not written don’t teach} it its as simple as that!!! because that’s the only way we possibly have to test and prove all things.

    PJ

  9. Branwen said

    southern baptists have hundreds of known masons among their congergations, so who are they to talk? many of the ordained and deacons as well are masons

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