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Hey Todd Bentley Fans Would You Support Him If He Looked Like This?

Posted by Job on September 9, 2008

How much is too much Christians? Where do you draw the line? Courtesy of the brother at Lastrow

Please, feel free to compare to tattoos associated with Bentley!! Like this one

Or these …

Todd Bentley’s raised arm reveals Jesus’ dead face with a subliminal monkey etched in His beard!

Above the tip of the head, is a subliminal Oni a “Buddhist guardian devil” of Hell!

Remember – Todd got these tattoos AFTER being a self-professed born-again believer.

Remember – Todd attributes his actual conversion (born-again) experience to a demon named Emma-O.  Google that name and see its origin and definition.

Anything goes so long as you have the anointing right?

29 Responses to “Hey Todd Bentley Fans Would You Support Him If He Looked Like This?”

  1. jennifer said

    What can I say as a Christian?
    What does Christ himself say Matthew 7: 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    Jennifer

  2. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/the-witchhunt-against-the-pentecostals-backfired/

  3. dawkinswatch said

    Remember – Todd attributes his actual conversion (born-again) experience to a demon named Emma-O. Google that name and see its origin and definition.

    Please give me a source for this?

  4. ??Remember – Todd attributes his actual conversion (born-again) experience to a demon named Emma-O. Google that name and see its origin and definition.

    >>Please give me a source for this?

    The devil the accuser of the righteous Bretheren

    I have never been hated so much anywhere by any religious groups as I have been by Brethren and Baptist Christians, pastors when they find out I am a Pentecostal … their evident fruits of hatred alone shows how false they themselves now are too. they clearly had, do manifest the opposite of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is love.
    http://grafted.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/lakeland-outpouring-discernment/

  5. I have never been hated so much anywhere by any religious groups as I have been by Brethren and Baptist Christians, pastors when they find out I am a Pentecostal … their evident fruits of hatred alone shows how false they themselves now are too. they clearly had, do manifest the opposite of the fruit of the Holy Spirit which is love.

    King David had put away his non supportive wife too

    (Prov 21:9 KJV) It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

    Many a Baptist church pastor that I had support and prayed for and they would next not talk to me anymore for being a pentecostal they did nto seem bothered by the thought that they was having sex a women that was not his wife.

    I too had discovered shockingly that most evangelical, Baptist, Bretheren pastors I had known were known for the adultery now too.. so why are they all picking on Todd??

  6. Robert DiStefano said

    There will be many sinners in heaven with tattoos on their bodies that were saved by grace. Be careful that you don’t fit into the camp of the accuser of the brethren.

  7. rejoice that Jesus is alive and well, but He is still waiting for us to finish the great commission to return for his millenium..so focus, because the good, the bad, the ugly we will always have(paraphrasing Jesus)..and oh yes the poor, but Jesus we do not..focus on completing your part of the commission, and let’s bring justice to Jesus and judgement to all, beginning with ourselves.Friends, it is not about who goes to heaven..it is about Jesus getting His overdue justice and glory.The false and the counterfeit only proves there is the real..just obey the Father’s command and listen to Jesus only and practice His word under the Holy Spirit’s counsel and the counterfeit will never disturb you but you will have the peace to pray for those sinners even as you repent of your own sins.visit us on Holy Spirit’s wokrshop.Dr.Ed ,a footstool of Jesus.

  8. ps. if every local church was healing all the sick that came to them at every meeting, those millions of dollars on travel expenses would not have been wasted..think of the bibles that could have been printed, think of the food that could have been bought for the muslims in africa, think of the churches buildings that could have been built…we, firsy workd christians have a lot to answer for, in our foolishness with worldly wealth.Dr.Ed

  9. Vernon R. said

    I’m baffled at our disregard and dismissal of scriptural authority when it comes to people like Todd Bentley. According to Mr. Bentley, the Holy Spirit told him to KICK AN OLD LADY IN THE FACE with his “biker boot”!!! We are also told that these tattoos were placed on him AFTER his “conversion”. I’ve heard his preaching and watched him in action. “Bizarre” is an understatement. Whatever happened to the desire to imitate Christ?

    • Carey said

      I couldn’t imagine Jesus putting mud in people’s eyes to heal blindness. That’s bizarre. Or asleep in a boat while everyone else is struggling to survive. That’s bizarre. Or going to a wedding party and turning water into wine. Thats bizarre.

  10. Bizarre.. you can find it anwayhere if that is what you are lookng for.. or you can ask the holy spirt to tell you the truth.. even about Todd

    http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/about-the-false-teachers-disobedient-christians/

  11. Vernon R. said

    I was not looking for anything specific from Todd Bentley’s crusade or ministry. My objective was (and is) to “test all things” as ALL believers are commanded. Many people from my area were heading to Lakeland, FL to attend Todd Bentley’s gathering. As watchmen, it is our charge to investigate such activity. The Holy Spirit leads us to the scriptures which validate or reject all spirits. Please remember, the “Dove” descended on the “Lamb”, not vise versa. The truth is, Todd Bentley’s teachings, tattoos, jewelry, and overall behaviour misrepresent our Saviour. The Spiritually illuminated scriptures make this very clear. I speak in love.

  12. Vernon R,

    We want to know what you believe to then make us have faith that you have the gospel of the kingdom and not another Holy Spirit.

    Why did you not check out Todd Bentley when he was going to Ethiopia, Nigeria, India etc.and why did you not go?

    Please check him out but let us look at it not by youtube but by being there in the deep end.

  13. Vernon R. said

    Dawkinswatch,
    I’m not sure what you mean by “deep end”, but I just learned of him through a friend earlier this year. Normally, I don’t use one source to come to a conclusion unless that source is God’s word. Question: Does a believer need to follow Todd Bentley ANYWHERE in order to biblically analyze his ministry? As far as me having the gospel of the Kingdom, I urge you and all believers to be a Berean. My posts are no exception. You may want to visit: “Crosstalk America” on the VCY network. I speak in love.

  14. Kyle said

    Vernon,

    As a reformed brother in the Lord I can only say that it is God and God alone who can open the eyes of DW. Sadly DW is so caught up in this man that he is blinded to the truth. And in all honesty this love fest for Todd by DW borders on idolatry.

    Kyle

  15. Vernon R. said

    Kyle,
    I could not agree more. I pray for DW’s rescue from every false way.

  16. dawkinswatch said

    How can the spiritually dead know who needs their eyes open? You need a good baptism of the Holy Spirit, you have left Jerusalem without obtaining the promise.

  17. Sharon K said

    Let us keep our eyes on Jesus and not concern ourselves about him or her and what the Lord has in mind for them, but as for you and me, we must follow Jesus. Rejoice that we witness the words of the Lord in Daniel 11.35 come to pass when “some of the wise (those who win souls-Proverbs 11.30) will stumble, so that they MAY be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.” And coming it is. For all who repent will receive forgiveness, which was generously, graciously and undeservedly pre-wrought for us by Jesus, and so can be refined. Be as zealous as Jesus is for His/our Father’s house and pray earnestly and without judgement that the wise WILL be refined, purified and made spotless so that Jesus will have a body made ready that is worthy of its Head, the Great High Priest, Jesus Himself. For despite our obvious flaws and many sins, the Holy Spirit still uses whatever He has at hand (us) to win souls, for it is not us who saves, but Jesus. Therefore, let us so honour the Father’s one command to the disciples of Jesus and listen to Him, Jesus, the Father’s one and only Son whom He so loves (Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35), and obey all that He has told us to do that there is no need to listen to anyone else, because we have received the Holy Spirit who counsels us in the words and way of Jesus as Jesus told us He would in John 14-16. Let us put His words into practice that we prove Him true in John 14:12 that we can do what He has been doing and the greater things, which honours Jesus at His word so that He may bring glory to the Father, as we bear much fruit. A sinner saved by grace.

  18. Vernon R. said

    Sharon K,
    You seem to be making a common mistake among some believers. You’ve formed an opinion through generalization, rather than using scriptures which specifically address the present topic. Please consider.

  19. billcnz said

    After considering his teachings and manifestations (posted all over the internet), I think that that Todd Bentley is a Warlock taking instructions direct from counterfeit “angels of light” (Lucifer, demons etc.).

    2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    The fruit of Todd Bentley’s ministry is adultery, lying, loving money, false teaching, and false prophecy.

    Todd carried out all his “BAM power” ministry “in the name of Jesus”, but actually a false Christ:

    Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.

    The devil puts on a good show to entice, and Todd represented this by appealing to the DESIRES OF THE FLESH for physical sensations, visions, etc.

    2 Thes 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of COUNTERFEIT miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a POWERFUL DELUSION so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    Christians, the “bride of Christ” are being enticed to fornicate with Satan’s minions, “familiar spirits,” or demons.

    These are the spirit guides of New Age religion, the occult, and Roman Catholicism (eg. Mariology).

    Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have FAMILIAR SPIRITS, and after WIZARDS, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to DECEIVING SPIRITS and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS

    Consider the warning given to BELIEVERS to stop committing adultery with the “whore of Babylon” in Revelation 18:2-4

    Jesus said “a wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign” (Matt 12:39).

    Does “asking for a miraculous sign” demand a performance from God just like the pursuit of supernatural experiences such as being “slain in the spirit”, “Toronto Blessing”, heavenly visitations and visions, etc.?

    The Bible does not endorse people directing the Holy Spirit or teach methods to repeatedly make supernatural experiences or events occur.

    The desire to have experiences could be a self indulgent avoidance of what God really wants us to do.

    When this disobedience and lack of discernment are combined, people may easily accept counterfeit phenomena from the Devil, eg.:

    Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.

    Could Christian fellowships become dens of the occult with things like body vibrations, howlings, apparitions, and visions given by demons?

    The seeking of experiences could be an attempt to treat the Holy Spirit like a circus clown or temple prostitute for personal indulgence.
    All these wrong things may be tolerated because there is no fear of God and poor discernment:

    Prov 1:29-31 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.

    NZ evangelist Bill Subritzky tries to teach men how to speak in tongues by getting them to practice saying aba-daba-aba- and similar gibberish – see http://video.aol.com/video-detail/bill-subritzky-at-promise-keepers-07-part2/931582755
    That MOCKS the Holy Spirit. He also DIRECTLY ADDRESSES the Holy Spirit, which the Bible does not permit.

    A strong DESIRE FOR TRUTH, and confidence to REJECT THE FALSE is critical to avoid fraudsters, scams and counterfeits of any type.

    The “big party” will occur in heaven after we die (eg. Rev 19:9), not now.
    For now, we have to prove ourselves FAITHFUL through difficulties.
    1 Tim 4:16 WATCH your life and doctrine closely. PERSEVERE in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

    If we are truly “hungry for God” we should only do things the Bible specifically affirms, such as repent of sins, develop the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and SELF-CONTROL – Gal 5:22-23), worship and appreciate God, endure through trials, help people, read the Bible, share the true gospel, etc.

    Signs, wonders, visions, and other supernatural experiences are God’s business according to his agenda.

    SEEKING them is unsafe.

    Todd Bentley and all his mentors should repent of their witchcraft, false teachings and false prophecy.

    A 10 year old child handing out gospel tracts would have done more for the kingdom of God than the ridiculous circus that was “Lakeland Revival”.

    Eph 5:6-11 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Gal 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

    Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

  20. ken said

    hey!………. what an entertaining bunch you are! I remember something like this happening in my kindergarten sandpit… little kids squabbling over a toy truck! Everyone is blowing smoke about Todd Bentley, and whether he preached the true or a false gospel.

    My first thoughts are about the unforgiving servant who was handed over to the tormentors until he paid what he owed.(forgiveness to his fellow servant)…….. OUCH!!!

    My second thought concerns someone with a rather large log stuck in his eye……… OUCH again!!!

    next my third thought… and I think this one is a doozy! what is the definitive definition of the gospel? I remember reading something somewhere about some guy who was rejected by everyone of his brothers, except one, saying that from Jerusalem to Illyricum he had FULLY PROCLAIMED THE GOSPEL….. not only in word but in the demonstration of the spirit’s power through mighty signs and wonders. OK… so everyone who has done, or who is doing this please put up your hand

    I guess what I’m trying to say is love believes all things, hopes all things.

    Now, if a Jew in 1st century Israel, defiled himself by mistakenly walking into Samaria, he certainly would NOT have made the additional mistake of talking to ANY woman at a well in the noonday, AND especially would not ask a heathen harlot( remember they were called dogs by our master) for a drink. But you see, Jesus saw things differently.

    Do you realise that Jesus constantly “broke” Jewish law and tradition, and that the religious leaders/ spokesmen wanted to kill him him many times for doing so, although the average joe, and occasional pharisee recognized “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher sent by God. No one could perform the miracles you are doing unless God were with him.”

    Now Peter said “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” .. Yet the religious leaders wanted to KILL him. I guess things haven’t changed much…. what did Jesus say?

    John 15:20 Remember what I told you: ‘Slaves are not greater than their master.’ If people persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours too.
    John 15:21 But they will do all this to you because you are mine; for they do not know the one who sent me.
    John 15:22 They would not have been guilty of sin if I had not come and spoken to them; as it is, they no longer have any excuse for their sin.
    John 15:23 Whoever hates me hates my Father also.
    John 15:24 They would not have been guilty of sin if I had not done among them the things that no one else ever did; as it is, they have seen what I did, and they hate both me and my Father.

    John 16:2 You will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time will come when those who kill you will think that by doing this they are serving God.
    John 16:3 People will do these things to you because they have not known either the Father or me.

    and finally…….

    1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death.
    1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    If Jesus said we are in danger of the fire of hell when we call a brother fool, I guess we should be slow to pass judgement. All this “critiquing” of Todd ( rrespective of what he has or hasn’t done) sounds dangerous to me!

    just some random thoughts!!!!!

  21. billcnz said

    >> just some random thoughts!!!!!

    Very random.

    >> I remember something like this happening in my kindergarten sandpit

    You need to get out of the sandpit yourself for trying to support blatant wickedness that has intruded into churches.

    The fruit of Todd Bentley’s ministry is adultery, lying, loving money, false teaching, and false prophecy.

    This has made a laughing stock of God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, The Bible, and all Christians throughout the world, through the widely publicised Todd Bentley ministry via the internet.

    Todd Bentley claimed he had access to “The angel of finance”, and that donating money at his services would cause the giver huge blessing from this angel. Whether he was lying, or actually did see such an angel, both are wrong.

    The only “angel of finance” the Bible mentions is Lucifer, in tempting Jesus Christ about worldly wealth Luke 4:5-7 “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”

    “if you worship me, it will all be yours”.

    Is Todd Bentley’s “angel of finance” a deception towards worship of Lucifer?

    “Angel of finance” indirectly introduces teaching that goes BEYOND the Bible, eg. that God encourages the seeking of money, and that we should be contacting angels for it.

    The Bible actually DISCOURAGES seeking of money, so an angel that turns up to encourage it must be a satanic counterfeit intent on deception. Scripture exposes the deception:

    1 Tim 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

    Luke 16:13-14 “No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”
    The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.

    TODD BENTLEY’S mystical revelations are rejected by scripture as EVIL COUNSEL.

    Sadly, ANY averagely intelligent 10 year old UNBELIEVING CHILD who plays in a sandpit could easily have done the CORRECT DISCERNMENT of Todd Bentley ministry with the most BASIC LOGIC:

    “Dad, those church people look like they’re nuts. They’re vibrating, twitching, having slurred speech, gibberish speech and sound effects, animal acts – dogs, chickens, lions, etc., staggering about, falling over, and having uncontrollable/irrational laughter”.

    “And he’s holding hands with another lady, not Mrs Bentley.”

    “Son, stay away from them, they must be into something devilish”.

    That is the correct discernment.

    When people manifesting like Todd Bentley are accepted in churches, it is proof there is no discernment at all.

    There has been a sinister development with Todd Bentley, which warrants serious consideration regarding the spiritual power people are giving themselves over to.

    Todd Bentley has abandoned his wife, and established an adultery covenant with another – see http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/03/todd-bentley-marries-woman-whom-he-had-extramarital-affair-with.html

    Rick Joyner is defending Todd Bentley to continue in the new adulterous relationship – http://www.morningstarministries.org/Articles/1000045589/MorningStar_Ministries/Media/Special_Bulletins/2009/Special_Bulletin_17.aspx

    Rick Joyner is known to be a member of “Knights of Malta”, which is an occultic network with links to Roman Catholic church, etc. – google “rick joyner knight of malta”

    The manifestations, teachings and prophecies from the Todd Bentley / Peter Wagner / Rick Joyner / John Crowder / Patricia King networked people, and all who call themselves mystics, seem to line up with Satanic ministry.

    See http://users.skynet.be/fa390968/AlphaSleepnet.pdf which has a network diagram on the second page.

    Sexual immorality is a known initiation rite for satanic covens, because it is a deliberate desecration against the marriage relationship instituted by the God of Genesis 1:1. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

    Aleister Crowley followed “the god of this age” (2 Cor 4:4) or “prince of this world” (John 16:11), which seems the case for all people in churches who align themselves with mysticism (Todd Bentley, John Crowder, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner, etc.).

    Todd Bentley’s adultery covenant with Jessa Hasbrook may be an important rite to qualify him for deeper ministry and power from Lucifer.

    This may be the reason why people like Peter Wagner and Rick Joyner support Todd Bentley CONTINUING with the adultery, rather than REPENT of it.

    Ungodly covenants should be renounced.

    I wonder how many mystics and members of those networks are involved in sexual immorality, or are divorced and “remarried”, in order to increase their collective power from Lucifer?

    >> Do you realise that Jesus constantly “broke” Jewish law and tradition

    But he never broke scripture by committing unrighteous acts like Todd Bentley has done and REFUSES TO RECANT eg. the ongoing adultery with Jessa Hasbrook.

    >> 1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren

    Church people like Todd Bentley and his supporters who promote false teaching and live in immorality and refuse to repent when challenged, should not be considered brethren.

    Ken you should practice discernment.

    1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    1 Cor 5:11-13 “But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
    What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

    Should Todd Bentley be expelled from all Christian fellowship worldwide until he repents of and discontinues marriage type relationship with anyone except his wife Shonnah Bentley?

  22. propheticseasons said

    Do you want all the truth?

    Come visit

    http://propheticseasons.wordpress.com/

  23. seeker3 said

    “Slain”……. churches are falling over!
    ============================

    >> Propheticseasons 20/12/09 “Do you want all the truth……… come visit….”

    No, avoid that website, as it treats the Holy Spirit as a power that can be channelled into people, which is witchcraft.
    It treats the Holy Spirit as a prostitute who can be used by people for their indulgence.

    The Holy Spirit will not comply, so demons turn up and give entertainments to deceive,
    Todd Bentley demonstrated this fully. None of his supposed healings could be verified.
    He ran away when some journalists asked for evidence, then it was found he was in an adulterous relationship.

    Todd Bentley was probably accepted by many Christians because he operated Toronto “Blessing” type spiritual phenomena that achieved widespread acceptance many years prior.

    These phenomena are sensational and pleasurable, many people are attracted to them, so many Christians may assume that is good to get more people coming in the church door.

    However it is actually a diabolical intrusion to ruin churches.

    It is an interesting co-incidence that TB is the initials for Todd Bentley, Toronto “Blessing”, and a disease Tuberculosis.

    Toronto “blessing” type ministry is attractive to many church leaders as a supernatural power they can dispense to people.
    They become spiritual drug dealers, and many people get “hooked”.

    Attempting to command, wave, and prod the Holy Spirit or Jesus into people is gross misbehaviour against God.

    He will not be commanded by men or be indulged like a prostitute for drunken frolicks.
    The phenomena isn’t a blessing from God.
    It is an infiltration of occult power from the same source as Hindu “Shaktipat”. Google “Shaktipat”.

    Toronto “Blessing” is wizardry and magic arts from familiar spirits (demons masquerading as friendly):
    Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. (KJV)

    Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

    Toronto “Blessing” definitely didn’t come from the creator God, as he never imparts manifestations similar to mental illness or drunken / drugged, as that is a contradiction of a sound mind and self control which he has repeatedly endorsed in the Bible.

    The only exception might be when God punishes someone by putting them into a drunken stupor, which would also be a warning to others:

    Romans 10:21 …”All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”…..
    Romans 11:8 …”God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear”
    Job 12:25 They grope in darkness with no light; he makes them stagger like drunkards.

    Isaiah 19:14 The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

    Isaiah 29:9-10 Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer. The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers).

    Christians should not provoke punishment from God:
    Isaiah 8:13 The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread

    The Bible repeatedly asserts drunkenness as immoral.

    The Bible does not endorse a righteous version of drunkenness, just as there is no righteous version of stealing, adultery or lying.

    Rom 13:12-14 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

    On the Day of Pentecost Christian disciples preached the gospel in various languages which impressed listeners who comprehended the message in their own language. (Acts 2:1-47)
    However mockers accused the disciples of being drunk for speaking authentic languages the disciples normally didn’t know.
    The false accusation of mockers should not be used to justify spiritual or physical drunkenness.

    2 Cor 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    Spiritual drunkenness blinds the minds of believers!

    The Bible encourages us to test the spirits, and that should include using your mind to analyse the outcomes (manifestations) in conjunction with seeking what the bible says about it.
    This is what a renewed mind is for.
    1 John 4:1 … test the spirits to see whether they are from God…
    Romans 12:2 …be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

    Being discerning includes being cautious.
    “The fear of the Lord” includes being cautious.
    God recommends this to protect us from harm.

    Spiritual drunkenness ministries (eg. John Crowder) that encourage reckless abandon towards God are defying God’s repeating counsel in the Bible.

    2 Cor 11:14-15 Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
    Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Playing around with counterfeit “angels of light” (familiar spirits) might be bliss and ecstasy now, but if not repented of will lead to rejection by the Most High God forever.

    The “big party” will occur in heaven after we die, not now (Rev 19:9).

    Scripture asserts we now have serious work to do while remaining firmly sober.
    2 Tim 4:5 …. keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

    “Keep your head” includes not getting drunk.

    Luke 12:45-46 … suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk.
    The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

    “eat and drink and get drunk” in that passage probably means self indulgence and spiritual foolishness while neglecting what God wants doing.

    Toronto “Blessing” type phenomena produce manifestations such as mental euphoria, body vibrations, twitching, slurred speech, gibberish speech and sound effects, animal acts – dogs, chickens, lions, snakes, etc., staggering about, falling over (“slain”), and having uncontrollable/irrational laughter.

    These are manifestations of the god of chaos – Lucifer.
    People who participate are unwittingly practicing mockery of the Bible, mockery of God the Father, mockery of Jesus Christ and mockery of the Holy Spirit.

    Participators who come to this realisation should repent and deliberately avoid any recurrences. They should also warn others, as it will be disastrous on judgement day for people who persisted in spiritually fornicating with Satan’s minions “familiar spirits”.

    I was previously deceived about Toronto “Blessing” in a church I attended.
    I tolerated it due to experiences I had at a Christian training school about 4 years prior, as well as not comparing it sufficiently against Bible counsel.

    Pride could make a person unwilling to face the possibility they have been deceived, and then to remove themselves from the convenience of continuing in fellowship with others who indulge in false ministry.

    It is God himself who gives divisive counsel:
    Rev 18:4-5 “come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues.”

    Will people heed God’s warning?
    Sadly, many won’t because they are either in love with a false Christ who gives them tickles, or have insufficient “fear of the Lord”:
    Prov 14:26-27 He who fears the lord has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

    Toronto “Blessing” type phenomena have been called “new wine”.

    It is actually spiritual adultery, and therefore maddening wine:
    Rev 18:3 the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries.

    At the height of a Toronto “Blessing” era I experienced in the mid 1990’s, the church services were a madhouse of manifestations.
    They used to have evenings where cushions were put all over the floor for all the falling over that went on.

    “Slain”…….. churches are falling over!

    The only “slain” from God is being killed for misbehaviour, as happened to Annanias and Sapphira see Acts 5:1-11

    The Holy Spirit will be grieved by Christian people fornicating with spiritual sensations from the Devil:
    Eph 4:30 do not grieve the Holy Spirit.

    See also “White Magic”being practiced in churches.

    Phenomena like Toronto “Blessing” push people towards mental illness, such as bipolar disorder, through giving them tremendous euphoric “high’s”, (supposedly a “blessing” from God), then they come crashing down into unbearable depression when the “high” wears off.

    This causes them to seek more of the “high” and become familiar spirit drug addicts.

    This has actually led to suicides of church people.

    Mental illness and demon influence are sometimes different names for the same thing.

    This is how some churches are going in the direction of “Babylon”: Rev 18:2 “She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit”

    1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

  24. dave said

    Look and listen to Todd—he is so blatantly a fraud—don’t you people read your Bibles? I mean,he makes Benny Hinn look legit.

  25. Prophetic Seasons said

  26. David said

    Ok, many people will no doubt have NO ears to hear and NO eyes to see, but I’m giving it to you anyway, here it is ……

    Matthew Chapter 22

    Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying:
    “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

    “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

    “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

    “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet ANYONE you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the BAD as well as the GOOD, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

    “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

    “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    “For many are invited, but few are chosen.

  27. a watchman said

    Well spoken seeker3.

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