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Wasilla Bible Church Promoting Conversion of Gays to Heterosexuals!

Posted by Job on September 6, 2008

Pursuant to the policy of this site, if people do wrong, I criticize them. But if they do well, I praise them. I have criticized Palin and her former church recently for words and actions that I perceive to be wrong. But this article depicts the church boldly having a controversial ministry that I support (I choose to ignore the ties to Dobson) and Palin’s doing the right thing on a domestic partner bill. On Palin specifically … let me mention again that I am not among those that criticize the woman for her daughter getting pregnant (her daughter is 17, old enough to know right from wrong herself) or for her choosing to be a career woman (as many women, including but not limited to single parents, have to work to keep roofs over heads and food on the table). I repeat: I was only criticizing the hypocrisy of people like Bill O’Reilly, who was so incensed at being called on his hypocrisy that he sent a squad of goons to harass a liberal oped writer (see link). Please note the comments of evil people who are doing their best to run from the hypocrisy of O’Reilly (and their own hypocrisy) in this matter … people who know good and well what O’Reilly would say – and what THEY would say – were it Obama’s daughter pregnant. Isn’t it amazing that we live in a Christian environment where Christians do not believe that they or anyone else has to be responsible for being just, fair, consistent, equitable, and responsible for what they say and do? We are now witnessing how thanks to the politics of the religious right and the religious left, it is perfectly acceptable to be a hypocrite, to hate others for doing the very same things that you or that people “on your side” do. Since James Dobson is incontrovertibly one of these people, is his “straight camp conference” going to be effectual, or is he going to make them twice the sons of hell that they were before?

My answer to that rhetorical question is “No.” Even though they will be using Dobson’s materials, it will be the church that is running this conference, not Dobson, and yes there is a huge difference. Despite the general tone of this website (primarily dictated by the subject matter that I choose to deal with), I am a positive person, and believe that this effort by Palin’s former church will bring lost sinners into the kingdom of God, and I thank them for taking on a difficult controversial ministry that most people will not touch, either for their hatred of homosexuals or their fear of persecution. So let us pray for this church as they do this ministry, and the people that they will be ministering to as well. The work of Jesus Christ is bigger than any one person or any local church, and I have no doubt that there are people in this church that despite their flaws – and I say this as a VERY flawed person myself! – love Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments and are true and sincere believers. Did I believe this before I found out that it was running a straight camp? Yes. Should I have said so? Yes. Evidence that I myself am flawed!

Palin’s Church Promoting Conversion of Gays to Heterosexuals

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin’s church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

“You’ll be encouraged by the power of God’s love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality,” according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.

Palin’s conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain’s candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.

Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization, is conducting the “Love Won Out” Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla. (Focus On the Family is NOT fundamentalist.)

Palin, campaigning with McCain in the Midwest on Friday, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called “pray away the gay” movement. Larry Kroon, senior pastor at Palin’s church, was not available to discuss the matter Friday, said a church worker who declined to give her name.

Gay activists in Alaska said Palin has not worked actively against their interests, but early in her administration she supported a bill to overrule a court decision to block state benefits for gay partners of public employees. At the time, less than one-half of 1 percent of state employees had applied for the benefits, which were ordered by a 2005 ruling by the Alaska Supreme Court. (The state is not the church, so I fully support Palin not using the the power of the state to impose her views on people.)

Palin reversed her position and vetoed the bill after the state attorney general said it was unconstitutional. But her reluctant support didn’t win fans among Alaska’s gay population, said Scott Turner, a gay activist in Anchorage. (Still say that she did the right thing in this matter. The state is not the church.)

“Less than 1 percent of state employees would even apply for benefits, so why make a big deal out of such a small number?” he said.

“I think gay Republicans are going to run away” if Palin supports efforts like the prayers to convert gays, said Wayne Besen, founder of the New York-based Truth Wins Out, a gay rights advocacy group. Besen called on Palin to publicly express her views now that she’s a vice presidential nominee. (I would trade the entire Republican Party for one born again Christian in half a heartbeat.)

“People are looking at Sarah Palin as someone who might feasibly be in the White House,” he said.

30 Responses to “Wasilla Bible Church Promoting Conversion of Gays to Heterosexuals!”

  1. Sarah Palin: Sincere but misinformed

    I like Sarah Palin. She is sincere and full of energy. But she is woefully misinformed.

    No sex education! Whoops! Teenager has a baby!
    Shouldn’t that be a clue?
    Brother-in-law is harassing her sister. Palin pulls strings to get him fired. Is that going too far?
    Doesn’t like some of the books in the local library. She asks the librarian if she would mind removing certain books. The librarian indicates she will not tolerate censorship. Palin gets her fired.

    The common thread here is the self-appointed assumption that what I (Palin) decide is better for you than what you decide. Ohh, that smacks of totalitarianism! Too bad it hasn’t worked, doesn’t work, and won’t work in the future. Most amazing of all (and tragic) is that some people don’t like to think for themselves. They are mentally lazy, and oh-so willing to let others make these crucial decisions for them. You could see a few mindless drones waving flags and cheering her at the Republican Convention.

    Reminds of the Stockholm syndrome. The captives after a while begin to idolize their kidnappers. “I’m going to restrict
    what you can say and do, but trust me, this will be good for you!” Yeah! Pit-bull with lipstick!
    (And the crowd goes wild!)

  2. Diane said

    Thanks for clarifying Job.

  3. Devon said

    Great Article….I have 2 friends that the Lord has freed from the gay lifestyle through Christian instruction!It doesn’t matter what your sin is…whether its homosexuality or adultery or greed, the Savior can fix it.

    You can be sure the left will try and make hay out of this!

  4. Kyle said

    ChristianLiberal,

    I went to your blog and noticed a few things. First, as noted most of us here are not fooled by the political machine. We don’t consider ourselves the “Christian Coalition” if you will. Also, many of us don’t beleive the war in Iraq was based upon the intentions fed to us. However, none of us would label ourselves “liberal” so I do have a few problems with your blog.

    First, where is the Christ in your blog? Where is the need for salvation from sin? In other words what I read from your blog is rather shocking in terms of what you consider Christian. First and foremost it is salvation! salvation! salvation! What I read on your blog is nothing but liberal slant with little to do about Christianity.

    Kyle

  5. Devon said

    Mmmmmm……..Christian Liberal….isn’t that like Marxist Property Owner or Pro Jewish Nazi…mmmmmm…yeah I’m pretty sure that ‘christian’ liberal is a contradiction in terms….lol.

  6. John Kaniecki said

    Kyle,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Though I am certainly against abortion my pacifist beliefs make some aspects of me ‘liberal’. Actually I believe the ideal society would be much like how the natives in America lived. Of course with Jesus.

    Love,

    John

  7. Kyle said

    John,

    Go to christianliberal website. You will come to the same conclusion that Christ is not the centerpiece of discussion. This is the main thrust of my argument.

    Kyle

  8. Sorry to run things off topic, but revisionist history sickens me! So I want to share this bit of fact many are unaware of.

    Cannibalism, Headhunting and Human Sacrifice in North America (Paperback)

    Product Description
    This riveting volume dispels the sanitized history surrounding Native American practices toward their enemies that preceded the European exploration and colonization of North America.

    We abandon truth when we gloss over the clashes between Native Americans and Europeans, encounters of parties equally matched in barbarity, says George Franklin Feldman, We neglect true history when we hide the uniqueness of the varied cultures that evolved during the thousands of years before Europeans invaded North America.

    The research is impeccable, the writing sparkling, and the evidence incontrovertible: headhunting and cannibalism were practiced by many of the native peoples of North America.

    The book does not at all attempt to avoid the evils carried out by others, but does not lie and act as if North America did not have warring and was some hub of pacifism before Europeans came to the area. The book even notes the various methods used by various European groups, because they all did not act the same in interaction with Indians and their goals were not the same. Europeans didn’t teach Indians the “war dance”.

  9. Devon said

    IC, I thought that was common knowledge! Indeed, long before the white man even arrived in North America, Indians were slaughtering one another, enslaving one another, indeed even eating one another…..it was not some peaceful hippiefest to say the least…Indeed, they were acting like any other unregenerate people the world over!

    As for ‘christian’ liberal’s website, Kyle is more then right….their is nothing Christian about it…..Just ask him what he thinks of John 14:6……..

  10. Kevin Andersen said

    Homosexuality is not a sin, and believing that “praying away the gay” will work is a farce. What is not a farce is the psychological damage it does to innocent gay people.

    Sexual orientation is set before birth, and a gay orientation is perfectly normal for some people. Even if it were possible to “pray away the gay”, why aren’t these wacko Fishtians out trying to convert the billions of animals on the planet too whose species show evidence that homosexuality is extant among them as well as in the human population?

    It is highly offensive to gay people that they be told they should “convert” to being straight. God obviously meant for them to be gay and messing with His handiwork is the true sin. It would be no different than if gay people sincerely told the Christohet Supremacist crowd that they needed to “convert” to being gay.

    This is just one more example of the pious, self-righteous, arrogant, brainwashed, intolerant, evil, repugnant and vile views that the ignorant, uneducated Christohet Supremacist crazies would like to impose upon all Americans, and is why ALL Americans must stand ready to defeat them and their vision of a totalitarian Christian theocracy controlling America.

    • Bobette Robinson said

      You obviously do not know much about the bible which is what the topic is about. How can you comment when you don’t even know what the definition of sin is.

  11. Kevin Andersen said

    “yeah I’m pretty sure that ‘christian’ liberal is a contradiction in terms….lol.”

    Devon, seems like you’re a victim of the reich-wing brainwashing machine in this country and groups like the Faux news Channel. You may want to look up the definition of ‘liberal’ in the dictionary. Being ‘liberal’ is a good thing. After all, Jesus was a liberal!

    This is just one more example of why it’s so important that the reich-wing be called out on their ignorance, lack of education, and their pious and strident demands that the stupid and gullible be given an ounce of credibility in this country. It’s the liberals who are the intelligent, educated class and the ones who need to be listened to.

  12. Dispelling the secular humanist myth that: Jesus Was A Liberal

  13. Devon said

    Holy Cow Kevin, go back to Daily Kos or DU ….oy……..btw..we don’t get Fox up here in Canada on our regular cable….shame…but thank God for the Internet!

    Hee hee…the ‘reich-wing’…hee hee….perhaps when you move out of your parents basement and join the real world, your narrow mind and hard heart will open to the Truth one day!

    Jesus a liberal…lol….yeah and Islam means peace right? And Marx was misunderstood….lol…

  14. John Kaniecki said

    IC,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Let’s examine some qualities of Jesus.
    He associated with all sorts of people. He would embrace lepers, prostitutes, tax collectors, sinners, fisherman and others.

    He criticized those who were in power the most. Yet he did not chastise those in political power but those who had the spiritual oversight of the people, that is the pharisees and saducees.

    Jesus certainly didn’t place a high value on money. In fact Jesus taught us to surrender our wealth and to give to the poor.

    Jesus wasn’t afraid of anybody and always told the truth. Also when he was asked questions he usually never answered the question straight out. In fact he would usually respond to a question with a question.

    Jesus didn’t care that his teachings made Himself unpopular nor that his teachings offended other people.

    Most of all Jesus Loved others. He was humble and obedient to God’s will in everything.

    I could find much stronger arguments in saying that Jesus wasn’t a capitalist rather than being a liberal. I really don’t know what you envision when you say liberal any way to be honest with you.

    Yet I will say this, that God calls people of all types in all situations. He calls the poor and the rich. David was close to God and King. Daniel held a position high in power as did Joseph. Yet some of the prophets as well as the apostles were simple common men. The important thing was not what position the followers had or what status or riches the followers had but what they did in their environment to serve God.

    Finally God tells us to live a spiritual life and to store our treasure in heaven.

    Love,

    John

  15. Devon said

    Yet John how do any of those attributes remotely make Jesus Christ a liberal?????? Especially what passes for a liberal these days…

    Pro Abortion, Pro Gay, Pro Radical feminist, Pro High Taxes….etc etc….I cannot imagine the Lord and Savior being in favor of any of these positions….from a biblical pov….

    Whether the Lord was a capitalist is debatable…calling Christ a liberal is disgusting!

  16. John Kaniecki said

    Devon,

    Hi hope you are well.

    I’ll agree with the first three. As concerning high taxes I don’t know.

    Tell me if this statement is incorrect. A conservative would rather a person develop on their own financially without interference where as a liberal would seek to invest more in their lives.

    I see both approaches as wrong. It is wrong when the conservative says ‘pull yourselves up with your boot straps’. It is also wrong when liberals throw money at a situation and except to make it better. The real key to changing things for the better is to embrace everyone. If you wish to help the poor be a good Christian amongst them.

    Love,

    John

  17. John, did you actually take the time to read the article I linked to titled Jesus Was A Liberal in full before making that comment of yours?

    Sir, you are off in some deep error to even attempt to lightly associate Christ with political labels of men. Never mind the issue of speaking of Jesus in the past tense. Jesus IS Lord.

  18. tmrfiles said

    It’s bad enough that the only pro-life, pro-family candidate is being maliciously maligned by the secular media, but to see so called Christians as yourself put up gossip here is a disgrace to every true Christian in the world. No wonder Satan is winning with people as yourself helping him.

  19. Court14 said

    Gay “conversion” is not based on any objective scientific info. In fact the most recent studies conclude sexuality is determined before birth. All of these groups offering “conversion” are making promises that are not backed with an numbers or data. Are there any of these groups who claim change which are not associated with religion? Anyone can put on a mask.

  20. Job said

    Court14:

    Please show me the objective scientific info, the medical or biological studies, that you are referring to, and we can discuss them.

  21. Job said

    Tmrfiles:

    First of all, if Paul rebuked Peter when he was wrong, I can criticized Palin when she is wrong. Second of all, you responded to a post where I PRAISED Palin and her church. Let me make something clear to you Tmrfiles: I could care less whether Palin gets elected vice president or not. I do care whether the unsaved get saved through Jesus Christ and the saved effectually serve Jesus Christ with all their heart. What do you care about? This world, which will be burned up in fire on the Day of the Lord? Or the world to come which will last forever? By the way, haven’t you read the Bible? It says that God raises up nations and leaders to do His Will. So God already knows who the next president is going to be. You just worry about your own heart so that you will be able to serve God and do His Will no matter who that president is, and humbly accept the will that God has in store for this country. Put it on the table, tmrfiles. Has the Holy Spirit come upon you and chosen you to pray for McCain to be president? If not, then you had better conform your thinking to scripture, because it says that God is on the throne.

  22. Devon said

    John…I think I almost agree with you…now that is a first..ha ha ha…

    Take care

  23. So if I’m born with a temper, is it OK for me to go around town beating people? What if there are people born enjoying being beaten? Can I as one who was born with a temper beat them given they enjoy being beaten? Is that godly? Neither beating people or unproductive homosexual behavior are godly. Neither is self abasement, desiring to be beaten.

    In short, even the homosexual advocates efforts to pull the “born gay” line won’t give them any salvation. Salvation only comes through believing in Jesus as the Christ, Son of God, ONLY hope for salvation for anyone. Then when a homosexual understands that, they are washed and able to begin a life of righteousness, dead to sin and alive in Jesus Christ. These “turn homosexuals into heterosexuals” or “turn gay people straight” movements have an inherit flaw. Simply making someone who is homosexual desire the opposite sex leaves a person who would indulge in fornication with the opposite sex.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New American Standard Bible)

    9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

    11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    Homosexuals and heterosexuals will be burning together in hell. Because not even fornicators will inherit the kingdom of God. Only those washed through the shed blood of Jesus Christ will be saved. And they will seek through Christ to avoid the sexual immorality of homosexual behavior and seek to live righteous (not “straight” – even Hugh Hefner is “straight”, not “heterosexual”, but RIGHTEOUS, fleeing all immorality), knowing their members are only for their one spouse of the opposite sex in marriage, or to not be used in sexual activity at all.

  24. Job said

    IC:

    I just want to see his research is all. I personally think that it is either nonexistent or spurious. I am particularly hoping that it exists but is spurious, so I can have a great time pointing out how dishonest and unscientific the research is. It wouldn’t be as fun as pointing out the utter ridiculousness of evolutionary “science” but it would be close.

  25. Charles said

    I stumbled across this site while looking for information on Sarah Palin. It amazes me that people in a minority religion (Christianity) are still debating how many angels are on the head of a pin! Instead of worrying about who is gay, straight, liberal or conservative take a look around and solve some human problems! I guess what I’m trying to say is: You folks are pathetic. Live your lives ethically and salvation will take care of itself.

  26. Job said

    Charles:

    “Live your lives ethically and salvation will take care of itself.”

    All right, if that is your perspective, what does salvation mean anyway? What does it entail or consist of? And if salvation exists according to your belief system, is there an opposite, say damnation? If so, what does damnation consist of? What is the determination of who receives salvation and who receives damnation? Or do you believe that there is no such thing as damnation, a negative? Do you only believe in salvation, a positive, and a neutral with no punishment? If so, why even bother living ethically? Why not have my “salvation” in the form of living as immorally as I can, totally concerned with my own pleasure which I can get by totally disregarding others, or even by purposefully hurting others if I am into that? And better still: what is ethical living anyway? What is the standard? Or is there even a standard, or does it change from time to time and culture to culture? After all, in various cultures, what we consider to be “rape” does not exist. Even in our own country a couple of hundred years ago, it was perfectly acceptable to kill a man in certain situations. In one instance, our sitting vice president was actually shot and killed by the former secretary of state (Aaron Burr by Alexander Hamilton) and nothing was done to Hamilton. There was another instance where in the halls of the U.S. Congress one representative beat another to death (he didn’t die immediately but rather very shortly thereafter) with his cane. Not only was nothing done to the politician who killed another, but his constituents fully approved of and defended the act!

    So in short: define salvation. Define the opposite of salvation, or declare whether you believe said opposite exists. Define ethical living, and if you believe that there is an objective rational standard for such a thing. And when you are done, please provide for me the authoritative source for which you base all of these things … the source of your world view and system of justice. Ball is in your court. Hope you are up to the challenge.

  27. Charles,

    Christians have solved human problems for centuries. There is nothing wrong with dialogue about spiritual issues. No one here is pathetic and salvation is important to discuss. Being ethical means nothing without a connection with God. I can be an atheist and be ethical, yet not be righteous in the eyes of God.

    By Timothy

  28. Charles said

    Both of you have a need to sandwich God between ethical behavior and salvation. If salvation is defined as the continued evolution of the species, and is not viewed as individualistic (or maybe the word “egocentric” is better), ethical living (rather than unethical behavior) is the best guarantee of salvation. Christ (or belief in Christ) is beside the point, or unnecessary. My reasoning reflects my sociobiological perspective so if Job wants to look into the matter s/he has my secular blessing.

  29. Jean said

    Jean says:
    Sin will not enter Heaven. We live in a sin cursed world since Adam and Eve fell. Satan is responsible for the sin that is in this world and knows he does not have to much time left.

    Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Man has only one-way to Heaven and that is to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.

    Two cities in the Bible were destroyed because of Homosexual people that thought they could do as they please. Their is a price to pay for sin.

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