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Correlating The Word of Faith Extreme Prophetic Movement To Juleen Langstrat J.Z. Knight Spiritism

Posted by Job on September 3, 2008

From Spiritual Pathways. Todd Bentley and Kenneth Copeland supporters, take note. 

Concerning J Z Knight, I Think I’ve Got The Wrong Channel!- Part One

38 Responses to “Correlating The Word of Faith Extreme Prophetic Movement To Juleen Langstrat J.Z. Knight Spiritism”

  1. Common man, JZ Knight is someone who chanels Spirit. There is a difference between channeling and prophecy. Extreme prophetic is just good old fashioned gift of prophecy.

    You guys seem to have a problem with your Spriritual Warfare theology. Satan is a counterfeighter, he copies the what God is doing.

    Now you come along with Satan’s fake and try to claim that the real is equvalent to the fake. It depends on the source of the gift.

    Lucifer can be the source or God is the source of any given prophecy.

    You have to prove that Patricia’s King Prophetic gift is demonic. Or just cast the demonic gift out of her. Then no one will argue with you.

    But you never stop to sensationalise and tabloidise everything.

    You have not told us how Paul was not a JZ Knight? afterall did he not use prophecy in his ministry?

  2. Kyle said

    DawkinWatch,

    You do realize that most of us here are of Reformed Theology. We will NEVER accept your view points.

    Sorry, just being honest!

    Kyle

  3. Todd Bentley Says: Jesus Has Brown Eyes Like Bambi (Also includes that witch named Patricia King.)

  4. dawkinswatch said

    Kyle what do you mean reformed theology? Do you note that Martin Luther was protected by the Rosicrucians in his reform efforts?
    I am not saying the reformation was not important but we have to note the wrong things which were part of that movement.

    We have to go back to the faith in the Book of Acts, I think there is error from both Catholics and Reformation.

  5. dawkinswatch said

    In Meggido II there is a footage of JZ knight chanelling Rampha, please compare that to the way prophecy is given, the two are not the same and it is a rather silly comparison.

    Indepemdent Conservative, there are Muslims seeing Jesus all over the world and coming to faith why do you not question their testimony?

  6. Fan of Pulpit Pimps and always working in defense of having his and others ears tickled, Dawkinswatch:

    Indepemdent Conservative, there are Muslims seeing Jesus all over the world and coming to faith why do you not question their testimony?

    Perhaps if they were spreading strong delusion at the rate of Todd Bentley and the New Apostolic Reformation nut cases I might. But they’re not drinking, having adulterous affairs and baptizing people in the name of “bam”. So rather than play into your latest efforts at obfuscation I’ll stick with Todd Bentley, Patricia King, C. Peter Wagner, John Arnott, Stacey Campbell and the other nuts you embrace.

    Seriously Dawkinswatch, if I didn’t know any better I’d seriously think Job paid you to come here and make up the stuff you say as some sort of joke. But you really are deluded and rejecting when you’re shown the delusion. You even admit you once avoided the delusion you embrace now, but you’ve gone and jumped into it anyway. So instead of laugh I can only feel sorry for you and pray that perhaps one day the Lord might grant you repentance.

  7. Kyle said

    DawkinsWatch,

    I mean Monergism, Predestination, Election. In your eyes we would be considered The Frozen Chosen. That is why I said we will never believe in what you espouse. Think Spurgeon, Edwards,Washer, and White. We don’t and wont listen to what you say. We think it’s kooky and man driven. It’s experiential and based on carnality. Your on the opposite end of the spectrum on this site.

    Did I clarify myself?

    Kyle

  8. Kyle why do you not look at the spires in your church and compare them with Obelisks from Heliopolis?

    Jnathan Edwards, okay God might have used that But the Man was reading from Dante’s inferno and converting people by showing them the pains of hell.

    Look we need to acknowledge that there is something wrong with Protestatism.

    Independent conservative you have not addressed Muslims visions of Jesus.

  9. This is for Independent Conservative

  10. Now here is JZ Knight

    Who has ever prophesied like this in any church?

  11. Kyle said

    DawkinsWatch,

    Your talking about the people and NOT the substance. Address the following Monergism, Predestination, Election. I’m not interested in the names but the concept of Grace and Sovereignty.

    Kyle

  12. DawkinsWatch,

    Please stop your obfuscation. To claim the figure of your supposed vision (like Bentley with his false angel named “Emma”) granted you certain powers that no doctor, media or research group has been able to affirm. Proves you’re following something that is false. When the Jesus and Apostles healed the lame, they didn’t continue to limp! Bentley and others you promote claim to have various powers, even to “move God”, but when their supposed healing is put to the test it comes up short. When your supposed gift of “tongues” is put to the test, you can’t minister to a single person in their native language.

    Stop fooling yourself man.

    You certainly should listen to Kyle, because there are some doctrinal issues you are avoiding, but even by your own twisted doctrine, what your false prophets claim they are doing was found to be a LIE. Even Pharaoh’s magicians could carry out their claims, your false teachers claim things that upon research are found to be untrue.

  13. Kyle said

    DawkinsWatch,

    It is your Neo-Palegian view that has opened the door to your views on this man and others. You deny the Sovereignty of God while claiming just the opposite. Your emphasis is on man, signs and wonders, prophecy, and hyper Pentecostalism.

    NOW! Back to the subject at hand. Address the following Monergism, Predestination, Election.

    Please don’t avoid the question this time. Use scripture and we can have an open debate otherwise this is nothing more than a love fest for Bentley without any scripture reference.

    Kyle

  14. Prophets of Baal

  15. dawkinswatch said

    I have challenge you to show anyone chanelling like JZ Knight, sure there are false prophecies but no one does mediumship in any church.

    Independent conservative, let us look at scripture yet again. Jesus did not heal everyone instantly, I hope you have noted that. But everyone was healed.

    Some had to go wash their eyes some had to go and report to priests.

    Take Paul’s inability to heal Timothy’s stomach condition.

    Predestination- Oh no! I cannot even address that one, I am an evangelist I go out and get souls I do not get into theological constructs without any positive outcome.

  16. DW,

    Independent conservative, let us look at scripture yet again. Jesus did not heal everyone instantly, I hope you have noted that. But everyone was healed.

    Some had to go wash their eyes some had to go and report to priests.

    Take Paul’s inability to heal Timothy’s stomach condition.

    Nobody the Apostles prayed for had to go do anything. Who they prayed to be healed via the gift of healing that God gave them through the Holy Spirit were healed at that moment. What Jesus had people do is not comparable, because Bentley never told anyone they had to do anything, but see him in Lakland, FL and maybe take a punch in the gut from him. The man with cancer still has cancer. You can sit and wait, but we know Todd’s a fake.

    Paul is not noted to have prayed for Timothy’s stomach. Don’t you even read what Pastor Williams writes for you? Timothy was in an area with water known to be polluted. Which was one reason Paul prescribed a little wine. Far less than your buddy Todd Bentley drinks while he’s out on his adulterous romps. And yea, your man Bentley was likely drunker than a skunk many nights you were PRAISING HIM and what HE was making up in Florida!

    Of course you don’t want to discuss predestination, because you might actually have to consider the Bible instead of your made up jiggling and babbling for a change.

  17. DW, this is one of many you should have read and you just might stop embarrassing yourself.

  18. dawkinswatch said

    Independent conservative, the model for healing is Jesus, it is not the Apostles, they were merely following the way Jesus did healing.

    Has Todd never prayed so someone who was healed of Cancer? I have people in my former congregation who were prayed for an Associate in the Fresh Fire Ministries and they were healed on Cancer.

    Smith Wigglesworth used to do more than punch people.

    The Church which has specialised in Healing Cancer has been Bill Johnson’s Bethel church. People fly from all over the world to get healed. You can go there and ask for tests.

    Independent conservative you have to start praying for the sick and see them healed then you can be qualified to say when God was healing people and when he was not.

    Bring 10 people who have pain who you trust I will pray for them and see them healed.

    You have started you own sect of Christianity and you have allowed extra biblical teachings to a veil over you eyes.

  19. DW,

    Todd Bentley, to Aimee Semple McPherson, to Smith Wigglesworth, to Azusa. That is the linage of erred doctrines you promote.

    Let’s see the parallels between Todd Bentley and Aimee Semple McPherson
    – Both from Canada (not really a point, but just an interesting note to mention)
    – Both claimed all kinds of mess that really can’t be verified.
    – Both slept around
    – Both did dope, McPherson OD’ed on barbiturates, Todd Bentley’s drug of choice is large amounts of alcoholic beverages.

    At least it can be said of Smith Wigglesworth, that he didn’t indulge in the immoral behaviors of Bentley and McPherson. He’d punch you in the gut for your promotion of them! But it shows how the leaven of your erred doctrine has grown. Now all you seek is some “honey dripping anointing with gold dust”, which is exactly what Todd Bentley and others have said.

    Although Smith Wigglesworth was not as egregious as those you promote like Todd Bentley, he like you falsely promoted insanities such as beating people and claiming it was to heal them. If Jesus was truly your example, you’d never promote people who claim such, because Jesus never did it!

    Just as I know God can and does heal. Just as I know I woke up with a splitting headache this morning that I prayed about in the name of Jesus Christ and it went away. Although a functional rather than an organic issue in nature, I still give God the praise through Jesus Christ, I don’t have to deal with it any longer and it’s gone. Just as I know the truth of the gospel and have witnessed healing myself and for others, I know the people you promote and the doctrine you embrace is full of grievous error.

    Wigglesworth refused medications and claimed those who were not healed did not “press” hard enough. Which has resulted in countless people DYING because they followed such erred teaching, refused medications and felt they must sit around for some “more faith”. I know a woman personally, who died following the Wigglesworth doctrine. She just “knew” she was going to be healed in her physical body in this life, but instead her body is now in a graveyard.

    Bill Johnson was with the other pimps like Peter Wagner and Che Ahn, all who “commissioned” Todd Bentley! And you’re going to claim Bill Johnson is legitimate, HAHAHAHAHA! If Bill was really healing people of cancer, you would not have to name him here, we’d all know it. But it’s bogus. Bill would have been able to pick up once Todd left and offer confirmed healings to any who ask, but Bill and all the others are all flat out frauds.

    Slaying In A False Spirit And Supposed Debates With Satan and Demons.

    And since you don’t want to talk about it, I’ll toss in this for your viewing pleasure as an added free bonus: A Video Discussion of Predestination. Parts 2 & 3. (Part 1 included for convenience.)

  20. Independent Conservative, Bill Johnson church has been on CBS with their healing record.

    What medication are advocating vaccines like the ones Bill Gates want to give to Africa? That is pure biological warfare.

    Look Todd Bentley started his ministry on African streets, It was only when they saw the miracles that Churches Invited him in. Todd has been in ministry for a long time, you guys only attacjked hoim when he started being on television. But he has shut done hospital wards.

    Why are scared I have given you an opportunity to see if my God is greater than devil and his diseases why can we not have a fair show down. You bring ten on your sickest people we pray for them and we see the outcome?

  21. Now Independent Conservative ypu are lacking in faith, but that can be fixed.
    click below
    http://dawkinswatch.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/miracle-centre-in-bethel-california/

  22. Kyle said

    Dawkinswatch,

    I noticed you are not responding to the Monergism debate. You see DW Not all Arminians are WoF/signs and wonders, but ALL WoF/Signs and Wonders are Arminian.

    I suggest you actually use scripture to defend Arminianism. from there I will drop enough scripture verses, original Greek, and context to make you run like the little child you are. Come now and test all things. I do not question your salvation by the way but when I say you are a child I mean in the biblical sense.

    So, please throw your milk at me so I can throw back meat. Defend Arminianism and from there I can refute not only that but can show the correlation between Arminianism and your Health and Wellness Gospel.

    Come on DW time to take those baby steps and be a man.

    P.S. Please! No opinions just scripture and exegesis.

    Kyle

  23. look man why dou not speak layman language why can you not use simple English? I need to get a dictionary to even talk to you.
    Half these guys in theology are to busy creating a class structure in Christianity by using bombastics. Christianity is a simple concept it is about theGospel of the Kingdom of God.

  24. DW, Let’s see the CBSNews report of Bill Johnson please? Todd Bentley was on ABCNews and we see how that went!
    Todd Bentley Nightline Report pt1
    Todd Bentley Nightline Report pt2

    Nobody would be silly enough to bring someone sick to you, because we already see the bad fruit of your false teachers.

    My Bible tells me the sick should seek the elders of their home church, not some nuts like you, not running to Lakeland for a drunken adulterer to say “bam” to them, James 5:14-15.

    We don’t go running to find some “manifestation of Jesus”, He’s with us and will come for us, Matthew 24:26, John 14:16-28 and Matthew 24:31.

    Kyle, DW can’t discuss the subject matter you’ve asked him to discuss, because HE DOES NOT SPEND MUCH TIME STUDYING THE BIBLE.

  25. And by the way, CBN News with false prophet Pat Robertson is the same bunch that was claiming Todd Bentley was legitimate.

    Dogs run in packs!

  26. Pat Robertson crimes are a little different ( National Policy Council), But you see you do not know about Bill Johnson ministry because he does not have a tv ministry. Bill Johnsons church has a great record for bringing healing to the streets and releasing kids in ministry.

  27. You see before Todd Bentley hit the tv screeens the only opposition can from witches in countries he was having crusades in. He must have preached to 200 million but he had no opposition but as soon as he hit the tv screens.

    I know a number of “chrasmatic” ministries are trying out television like Cindy Jacobs but there are those who are avoiding it like a plague. The Conservatives Evangicals are not oppossing Iris Ministry even though they have built 8000 churches in ten years. Sometimes it is better to do it away from the cameras.

  28. Bill Johnson and those so called prophets

  29. Independent conservative, I just watched that video and it is totally inaccurate. Your guy in a suit for a youtube broadcast totally lost it.

    Bill Johnson, Che Ahn and John Arnott decided to go to Florida and have the service to appoint Todd Bentley. Now C Petr Wagner then said he wanted to be part of it. Now Bill Johnson says he knew that they would receive critism but Bill Che and John were prepared to be pillored but Bill Johnson feels sorry that C Peter Wagner is also being criticised because he went there to give a theological alignment but he was not part of the three leaders who decided to have the appointment.

    So your guy in a suit is making it look like Bill Johnson is running away when Bill Johnson has addressed the issue head on. But you see with these poorly edited Youtube videos, myths are being created every minute.

    From what I can see you are not very familiar with the ministry of Bill Johnson, I doubt whether you have heard him preach one sermon but that does not stop anyone running down his ministry.

  30. If anyone doubts the healing ministry In Bethel church please look at the testimonies.
    click below
    http://www.ibethel.org/features/testimonies/index.php?f=testimonies.php&s=100&testimonies_page=5

  31. Where is the Dr’s full confirmation Dawkinswatch? That link reads like Todd Bentley’s, full of talk, but nothing documented in a manner that can be fully researched for full medical verification. Where’s the CBSNews report you claimed Dawkinswatch? And even if the healing claims were all legitimate, it does not excuse the doctrines expressed by your crew are unbiblical.

    They all claimed God sent Todd and they were often saying how the Lord told them things and Todd Bentley was the fulfillment of it. Now all of you are making excuses.

    If you’re so concerned about spreading the gospel, you need to stop defending liars and go share the true Gospel.

  32. Bill Johnso affirming the witch named Kathryn Kuhlman, at the Toronto Airport nut house!

    More about her and her kind.

  33. Kyle said

    IC,

    I commend you on your diligence with DW but in all honesty I can’t see him coming to the light of understanding pertaining to Todd. There has been so much regarding this guy that anybody saved OR even unsaved could smell a rat. DW is so mezmorized by this guy that only God himself can remove the scales from his eyes.

    Kyle

  34. I knew DW was way deluded a long while back. But for some who may not be aware of some of these characters I sometimes toss something out here.

  35. Independent conservative, you can take a plane go to Redding California a and question people who say they we healed.

    Maybe Bill Johnson does not hae the information you have about Kathrine Kuhlman but because you call everyone who prays for the sick a witch, how likely is he going to listen to you?

    I have problems with Kathrine Kuhlman but that is a discernment issue but unlike you I do not believe that everyone who heals the sick is a witch.

  36. Independent Conservative Says:
    September 13, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Where is the Dr’s full confirmation Dawkinswatch? That link reads like Todd Bentley’s, full of talk, but nothing documented in a manner that can be fully researched for full medical verification. Where’s the CBSNews report you claimed Dawkinswatch? And even if the healing claims were all legitimate, it does not excuse the doctrines expressed by your crew are unbiblical.

    I have a problem with your reliance on medical opinion given the horrors which have been done in the name of science. Look at the vaccination scandal, let us not forget that the origins of modern medicine are people digging graves to steal body parts.

    Look at the symbols of medicines, look at the increase in cancer cases since the Rockefeller have consolidated modern medicine. Look at suppressed cures for Aids, Cancer, etc. i.e. Oxytherapy, Rife technology etc.

    Look at the smuggling of Nazi doctors into the USA via the Vatican in Operation Paperclip.

  37. I have problems with Kathrine Kuhlman but that is a discernment issue but unlike you I do not believe that everyone who heals the sick is a witch.

    Well Kyle, he said it all right there. It’s a discernment issue. Meanwhile he’s doing all he can to defend Todd Bentley and others…

    I have a problem with your reliance on medical opinion given the horrors which have been done in the name of science. Look at the vaccination scandal, let us not forget that the origins of modern medicine are people digging graves to steal body parts.

    Look at the symbols of medicines, look at the increase in cancer cases since the Rockefeller have consolidated modern medicine. Look at suppressed cures for Aids, Cancer, etc. i.e. Oxytherapy, Rife technology etc.

    Look at the smuggling of Nazi doctors into the USA via the Vatican in Operation Paperclip.

    Obfuscation overload! With a touch of moonbattery.

    Well Kyle, I better stop with him now, because I don’t want to laugh or do anything more that might provoke myself closer to such a response, because this is really, really sad.

  38. dawkinswatch said

    Independent conservative please laugh man.

    What makes you think that others are the same as Kathrine Kuhlman? My problem with her is specific she was in the legion of Mary. I have problem with people who join the Knights of Malta too.

    But you want to brush everyone together. So there we have it Independent Conservative has no problem with the Rockefeller established medicine. ( Did you know that John D Rockfeller was an oil snakes sales man?) Even though the whole medical establishment was behind the Eugenics movement? Today these same people are withholding drugs from those who cannot afford treatment.

    You have only a problem with those who pray for the sick without charging a cent? Renew your mind!

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