Jesus Christ Is Lord

That every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father!

CRUNK HIP HOP CHURCH SERVICES THAT VIOLATE 1 CORINTHIANS 14!

Posted by Job on August 22, 2008

Please read 1 Corinthians 14 before continuing below. This is not about my trying to impose a particular cultural viewpoint on Christian worship, for I am actually quite liberal about such things. Instead, this is about fidelity to God through scripture (which incidentally is the only way to be faithful to God despite what you might have been told by a false preacher or false church). What is below will basically be a straight lift from I’m Speaking Truth.

More “Relevant” Church Services & “Crunk” Youth Ministry Events

Published August 20, 2008  Comments
Tags: 

My recent foray into learning about “crunk” youth ministry services (and “more crunk” youth ministry madness) has taken me on a journey into YouTube. It seems as though the old “seeker sensitive” model has become…well…stale, and “relevant churches” are looking at ways to really attract worshippers club goers…and their kids.

Journey with me into the valley of the absurd:

“Does Your Youth Pastor Get Crunk? Ours Does!” 

“Youth Pastors Gone Wild – Youth Pastor Dance Off”

“Pastor (Sermon Illustration) Gone Wild”

**at least this idiot pastor had the sense to wear a helmet

1 Corinthians 1:18-20 (New American Standard Bible)

18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1For it is written,
       ” WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
         AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.” 

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

Paul was right – the simple message of the Cross of Christ is foolishness to those who don’t know Him, yet we are compelled to share that simple message clearly and concisely so that regeneration can take place.

When the Cross is “lifted up” – the message alone will draw men to Christ (John 12:31-33), NOT a clever marketing gimmick that appeals to our momentary attention span. 

Clearly God is using the foolish wisdom of the world displayed in the videos above to demonstrate that you can’t emulate the world while seeking Him. Unfortunately, it is our undying love for the things of this world that continue to manifest in the garbage you see above:

1 John 2:15-16 (New American Standard Bible)

15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

Lord have mercy…

Now as to why I am liberal about such things … imposing one’s personal cultural worldview on how people must conduct services and worship God hinders the spread of the gospel. That was Paul’s primary concern in opposing Jewish Christians that were trying to impose circumcision, the holidays, dietary laws, etc. on Gentile converts. Also, we must admit that the way that we have traditionally worshiped in the west IS NOT the way that the early church worshiped, a fact whose implications are lost on many fundamentalist, conservative, and liturgical Christians. So if Paul did not insist on conducting worship in a manner that didn’t bar the door to the hearts of people that were not raised in Jewish religion and culture, we should not be “modern Judaizers” to people who are alien to our preferred religious traditions.

With that being said, 1 Corinthians 14 still applies. Worship service should center on Jesus Christ. Worship service should honor and glorify Jesus Christ. Worship service should not demean or degrade the gospel message, the worshipers, or the gathering place of the faithful. There is a real difference between appropriating certain musical styles created by the secular world – i.e. rap, rock, bluegrass, country, or traditional Asian/African/Celtic music – into Christian worship and actually emulating the confusion of the world. How can you tell if you have crossed the line? Simple: by asking the question “now why am I doing this?” If you honestly think that the meaning of “At The Cross” or “Amazing Grace” can be more effectively communicated to people in India using the Bhavageete form or to modern American kids using dancehall/ska, then great. But if you are doing it merely to entertain people or simply to appear fashionable, then you would be better off replacing your praise and worship service with a period of quiet prayer and reflection at the altar.

Do not misunderstand me, I do not advocate eliminating praise and worship … no one who takes the Old Testament seriously would do such a thing. I am only stating that praise and worship should be done in a God – honoring Biblical fashion or not at all. Best illustration: it should be possible to do a Christian or gospel performance according to the rap, hip – hop, R&B, rock, etc. style while wearing a three piece suit or choir robe just one would if you were in a concert choir singing Handel’s Messiah i.e. the video below. (Yes, I know that the video below is not how the early church worshiped, this is merely to illustrate a point.)  But if you have to take the street thug posturing (or streetwalker prostitute vamping) attire and do the base profane screaming, crotch grabbing, gang signing, head banging nonsense from MTV (or even VH-1) and bring it into the church in order to do your “performance”, then it would be far better for you to remain silent and allow those that are willing and capable of conducting praise and worship in a decent orderly God honoring fashion take your place.

6 Responses to “CRUNK HIP HOP CHURCH SERVICES THAT VIOLATE 1 CORINTHIANS 14!”

  1. Job – thanks for linking to my article. I’m with you, I’m not a stoic traditionalist who believes that we shouldn’t rise above a whisper in worshipping God. I am, however, adament about giving reverence and honor to God and His house, and not the “entertainers” who are trying to put on a show in His name.

    You said:

    Worship service should center on Jesus Christ. Worship service should honor and glorify Jesus Christ. Worship service should not demean or degrade the gospel message, the worshipers, or the gathering place of the faithful. There is a real difference between appropriating certain musical styles created by the secular world – i.e. rap, rock, bluegrass, country, or traditional Asian/African/Celtic music – into Christian worship and actually emulating the confusion of the world.

    That, my friend, is the core weakness of the seeker-sensitive/relevant church model. Since Jesus and the Gospel message are considered “stale” for today’s advanced and enlightened society, then the only way to make Him “sexy” is to make our worship service look like a bad Vegas nightclub act – or a rap video.

  2. Well, they say everyone will not understand your Ministry. I clearly see the sincere nature of your comments and statements. Backed with scripture to boot. Well, There is a thin line between exegesis and isegesis. I pray you can find a Hip Hop Church that will work for you or maybe it is just not the Ministry for you. As for me, I believe God created Hip Hop and now the devil is trying to destroy it. That’s Hip Hop – And that’s the author of confusion, the father of lies and the acuser. As far as the Church is concerned, Jesus does not need Hip Hop. Hip Hop needs Jesus. Hip Hop is not trying to save the Church but the Church can save Hip Hop. Bottom line, Jesus said go out and preach the Gospel. Let us all focus on that and make it a priority in our lives. No more attacks on Ministries that are different than yours because you never know who will be blessed by what. Remember God used a Donkey for his Glory. I have seen thousands of souls come to Christ at the Hip Hop Churches. That is success and nothing less. To God be the Glory.

    Minister Kurtis Blow Walker
    Founder of the Hip Hop Church

  3. mario said

    BLAH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH…DUDE YOU’RE CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!There is no “ecclesiastical crime” committed here. At best the 2 video clips above are an extremely hilarious displays of the “Rythmless Nation, and should have been submitted to America’s Funniest Home Videos for the whole nation to see. After in the light of today’s geopolitical and economic climate, we could all use a good laugh. Now because there is not a clear contextual reference point(a beginning,a middle and an end)for the videos clips you’ve used, you and the “Speaking The Truth?” person cannot use them as a bases on which to make your argument. The videos are actually just another a great example of two youth group leaders having a little fun in a friendly, family oriented, christian atmosphere. Personally I think your tie is pulled just a little too tight, and the lack of blood flow to your brain is causing you to think irrationally…

    Case and point, your approach in use of the proof text as it relates to the afar mentioned scriptures, and again the slanted use of YouTube video clips(obviously taken out of context), are a clear display of your LACK of insight and spiritual immaturity. Beware that you don’t take on the role of “judge and chief pharisee”, and side with the devil as an accuser of the brother-en.
    It is my opinion that the assertions made in this article and the comment by the “Speaking The Truth?” [person] are a poor and misguided attempt of two INDIVIDUALS trying publicize an unfounded argument, in hopes of making a name for themselves. So for future reference you would be well advised to pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide your thoughts and your tongue, or in this case your fingers and your mouse when publishing future articles…

    Mario Williams
    AKA THA MINISTA
    I’an Neva Scared

    • Job said

      Mario Williams:

      Pardon me, but all you did was engage in a railing accusation against me that was devoid of any actual Biblical or theological context. You failed to provide a single reason why the worship in the videos above are permissible in a church context. You failed to provide a single enumeration of how those videos do not constitute a failure to approach a Holy God who is a consuming fire with fear, trembling and reverence as the epistle to the Hebrews requires. You failed to provide a single argument of how the videos above do not violate the epistles to the Corinthians demanding that church worship be done in order and devoid of confusion. Above all, you made the slanderous accusation against me of being a “chief pharisee” when we all know that the real problem of the Pharisees was their lack of faith in Jesus Christ. The Pharisees did not reject and persecute Jesus Christ and His followers because of Jesus Christ’s more liberal approach to worship. They did so because they did not believe in Him. Well, if you see the very title of the site that you left this comment on, how on earth could that possibly apply to me? Or perhaps you made that accusation against be based on your own misunderstanding of what the Bible says concerning the Pharisees. You seem to be one who follows the popular definition of Pharisee, which is increasingly anyone who asserts Biblical revelation and authority over the beliefs, practices and morals over the church. Basically, anyone who says “you can’t do that because the Bible says not to” is a “Pharisee”, and most people think “Well, because I am saved by grace, my sins are forgiven so I can keep doing what I want to do.” Most people want to use the grace of God as an excuse for lasciviousness (Jude 1:4) and anyone who comes around and says different is called a Pharisee.

      The truth is that Jesus Christ was no antinomian. He told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. He told the crippled man to stop sinning lest a worse thing come upon him. Now, I used the Bible – as did I’m Speaking Truth – to make the case that those videos depict worship that transgresses the bounds set forth in the New Testament, i.e. Corinthians and Hebrews. You say that I am wrong, but make no counter-argument. So, is your position that there are NO BOUNDS set forth in the New Testament concerning worship? If so, you are at variance with the Bible and the Holy Spirit that inspired it and not me. If that is not your position, then you need to explain that position and provide the Bible verse that supports it. And please do not resort to “dancing like David danced”, because not only is that text often abused out of context, but it is inapplicable to the videos above.

      If you cannot, then it is you who would be well advised to pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, and also to read your Bible when it speaks to this topic. These things that I have done already. Moreover, I grew up in a perverse spiritual environment where folks allegedly “shouting” and “in the spirit” would rip off clothes and expose undergarments, knock over tables and chairs, elbow and kick people, and steamroll small children, and would actually oft need to be physically restrained by 2 or more people in order to keep them from injuring each other and themselves. Allow me to say that when I read Corinthians and saw just how un-Biblical this behavior that I was reared in was, and how so many people willfully, flagrantly disobeyed and rejected the Bible in this area, I was shocked. So of course, I am attempting to let people who are trapped in the spiritual Babylon (as was I for so many years) that this stuff is WRONG and that they need to flee it. And it is that mission which you decided to rise your hand up against? What is your purpose for doing so, and whose mission is it, and towards what end?

      I await your response, and thank you.

  4. mario said

    Yes before anyone should make mention of them, there are a few typos in my comment listed above. But the trust of my comment still stands the test of logic….

    Mario Williams
    AKA THA MINISTA
    I STILL AINT NEVA SCARED!!!

  5. Your article represents what is wrong with the Church today. We as a culture are not trying to Reform the Church. The Church is missing out on a great opportunity here. Because, more people are reaching out to GOD than ever before. What the Church should be doing, is what Jesus would want them to do. Except them. JESUS would LOVE these VIDEOS. He would want to know who these kids were. He would want to talk with them, laugh with them, understand them, most importantly LOVE them.

    As the world changed back then, so did JESUS. The message remained the same, but different world events caused him to deliver the message in different ways.

    Instead of being happy that more kids are in the CHURCH, we shun them like some unwanted GUESTS at a TEA PARTY. They belong there! The CHURCH is not some COUNTRY CLUB, that pushes people away that are not properly dressed. And you wonder why the CHURCH has gone stale. It has refused to adapt. JESUS always ADAPTED. LIFE ALWAYS EVOLVES.

    I grew up in a church where they did some shouting as well. Some churches have fashion shows, and talent showcases. And, each song that is played is not a biblical hymn.

    The Bible is a book of Inspirational Writings. First Hand testimonies, and Philosophies. But most importantly, the WORD of GOD. But the Bible is like a PRISM. GOD’s WORD is like a PRISM. What from of light, or what color of light is depending on what side of the glass you are looking from. In other words, we receive GOD differently. The BIBLE has been translated many times, the TEXT have been altered, and some books missing, but we still try our best to understand what GOD was saying… But no one. I repeat NO ONE, has the ANSWER completely. Instead, we have FAITH.

    One thing is for sure, JESUS did not want us to JUDGE each other, we were meant to SAVE each other, and LOVE each other.

    First of all. The CHURCH that you describe is nothing but a BUILDING. The real CHURCH is within each and everyone of us. GOD said BUILD CHURCHES, he meant BUILD PEOPLE.

    So many people have caused so much PAIN in the name of GOD. So many evil men (I’m not calling you evil by the way) have quoted scripture and have used the Bible for their benefit. But the Bible is only a PRISM, that can illuminate the mind depending on your perception of the TRUTH.

    By the way, GOD loved those evil men just the same…

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

 
%d bloggers like this: