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Federal Judge And Religious Right Agree: THE CROSS IS A STATE MILITARY SYMBOL THAT HAS NO RELIGIOUS MESSAGE!

Posted by Job on July 31, 2008

Seriously people, is this what we are fighting for?

Federal judge says cross can remain on San Diego’s Mt. Soledad

ACLU says opponents may appeal the decision. The symbol is part of a federally owned war memorial
By Jia-Rui Chong, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 31, 2008
A controversial cross on Mt. Soledad in San Diego can stay as part of a federally owned war memorial, a federal judge ruled. (Translation: if the purpose of this cross was to honor Jesus Christ’s payment of sins of the world and His sovereign rule over the world, it would be unacceptable. BUT THE CROSS IS PERFECTLY FINE IF IT REPRESENTS THE POWER OF THE STATE, THE RULER OF THIS WORLD, SATAN!)

The court finds the memorial at Mt. Soledad, including its Latin cross, communicates the primarily nonreligious messages of military service, death and sacrifice,” wrote U.S. District Judge Larry Alan Burns in his decision filed Tuesday. “As such, despite its location on public land, the memorial is constitutional.” (Meaning that regular folks who did not die in service to state power … the cross has no meaning for them?)

An official with the American Civil Liberties Union, which represents several of the plaintiffs in the case, including the Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America, voiced disappointment in the decision. Lawyers for the group had contended that including the cross in a government park violated the principle of the separation of church and state. (Godless atheists and Jews who reject Jesus Christ are 100% correct in this instance. They have everything to fear from the cross being co – opted as a symbol of state power. Go read your history books people, and no it all cannot be blamed on the Roman Catholic Church.)

“If you want to put a cross on your front lawn . . . we will be the first to defend you,” said David Blair-Loy, legal director of the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties. (Liar. The next time that happens will be the first. Keep in mind: THESE ARE godless atheists after all. But the sad thing is that in this instance, it is the so – called Christians that are doing the greater evil by trying to use something pertaining to Jesus Christ to honor and promote the anti – Christ, thereby turning the cross of Christ into a pagan idolatrous symbol, just as Constantine did when he put the fish symbol on his soldier’s garments, and the Crusaders when they killed women and children while wearing crosses. To use anything pertaining Christianity to represent the state is a perversion, and abomination.) “When the government is sponsoring and endorsing the preeminent symbol of one religion, that’s when we have a problem.” (Again, he is wrong. If the government were to adopt a Wicca, Jewish, Muslim, or any other symbol for any other false religion, what is that to me? All governments are of this world. It is when a government tries to syncretize Christianity into its state pagan idolatry is when Christians should be concerned. Especially since such a government will persecute the actual faithful Christians while generally leaving the fake Christians alone. Again, read your history!)

He said his side is discussing further legal action. An appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is “clearly on the table,” Blair-Loy said. (Great. All we need is a national precedent declaring the cross of Jesus Christ to be a symbol of state military power that has nothing to do with God’s coming to earth as a man and overcoming sin, death, and the grave, and taking sitting on the right hand of the Father. The five Roman Catholic Supreme Court justices: Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Kennedy, Thomas … will they vote to make the cross a symbol of the false notion of the sovereignty of man, a symbol that exalts itself against the rule of God? Will they turn the cross into another tower of Babel? Since Roman Catholics serve a human institution – their church – in the place of God anyway, I can guess what their answer will be.)

William J. Kellogg, president of the Mount Soledad Memorial Assn. and grandson of one of the American Legion members who dedicated the cross in 1954 (a fraternal organization in which lots of its members are also freemasons, what a surprise … you DID KNOW that one of the primary goals of freemasonry has always been to de – spiritualize Christianity and depict it in terms of secular things like culture, nationalism, values, community service etc. right? You know, the same agenda of the religious right ) was pleased with the verdict. The association was not named in the lawsuit, but did not want the cross removed.

“The decision was based on the fact that it is clear it is a veterans memorial,” Kellogg said. “That’s what our association is all about.” (So why not a statue of a soldier or a flag? Why pick the cross?) A cross has marked Mt. Soledad since about 1913 (was this during Woodrow Wilson’s World War I fascist propaganda campaign?) and the current concrete cross was dedicated in 1954 in memory of Korean War veterans, Kellogg said.

The lawsuits surrounding the cross began in the late 1980s when Philip Paulson, an atheist and Vietnam War veteran, sued the city of San Diego, which owned the Mt. Soledad property. In 2006, Congress passed a law taking the cross and the land on which it sits and giving it to the Department of Defense. (See how these things have a tendency of happening, turning this from a local dispute into something that the government could use to co – opt the cross by court fiat? Even if the freemasons did not plan it this way, it is very likely that their master Satan did.)

In his ruling Burns agreed that the cross is the preeminent symbol of Christianity, but said “it does not follow the cross has no other meaning or significance.” He pointed to the exhibits on public beaches, such as Santa Monica’s, where the group Veterans for Peace uses crosses in the sand to represent U.S. service members who died in Iraq. (As if there is no difference between private citizens making a display on public land, and the government sponsoring or owning a display. Any private citizen or church group can hold a religious service in a public park or arena at any time. It is THE GOVERNMENT that cannot hold or sponsor such a service. Burns is lying and knows it.)

The cross is also displayed “along with numerous purely secular symbols in an overall context that reinforces its secular message,” the judge said. (Holy things are not allowed to be displayed with or placed in context with sinful worldly things. That is an abomination.)

Although walls with other religious symbols, such as the Star of David, have been added to the Mt. Soledad display, they are dwarfed by the large cross, Blair-Loy said. “It is a 43-foot cross on one of the highest points in San Diego,” he said. “If the cross is not a religious symbol, I don’t know what is.” (The godless atheist is right! Now I have to admit: I myself refrain from using symbols as much as I can. I cannot make an airtight Biblical case for my position, for Judaism used plenty of symbols, and the early church carried those same symbols into early Christian worship. I am fine with that. Gentiles creating their own symbols, or incorporating pagan symbols into Christian worship … well let us just say that I am considerably LESS FINE with that. Still, for the overwhelming majority of Christians, the cross represents Jesus Christ. How ironic that so many Christians support the attempts of the state to co – opt and pervert the meaning of the cross and oppose the efforts of the perfidious Jews and godless atheists that would actually have the effect of preserving the spiritual and religious meaning of the cross! Look, the very reason why Christians fight these battles to begin with is because they want Christianity to continue to have a vital and positive effect on American culture; for American social, political, and moral character and institutions to reflect the Bible. Well, we know from the book of Acts that the way to turn the world upside down is with preaching and evangelism, not with “values education” in our government owned schools and certainly not with the government adopting the cross as a war symbol. The truth is that most people like this want to take the easy way out: they want a basically good and decent nation and people without doing the hard work of being ministers of the gospel that it takes to produce it. In this way, they reveal themselves to be interested not so much in the gospel of Jesus Christ as they are preserving our culture, our government, our institutions and values. For these people, the cross is in fact a secular symbol of government, culture, and history with no real religious or spiritual meaning. To these people, it especially does not represent atonement/propiation because they don’t see themselves as sinners. What, a sinner? Who me? I am a proud, patriotic, hard – working, tax – paying American! I’m no sinner! Those people over there who don’t share my culture and values … THOSE are the sinners! Seriously, people like this are political, cultural, ideological, etc. Pharisees who reject the true meaning of the cross. For them, the cross is basically the American flag. WHICH, OF COURSE, IS A VERY EASY MISTAKE TO MAKE WHEN MOST CHURCHES DISPLAY AMERICAN FLAGS IN THE PULPIT.

jia-rui.chong@latimes.com

Now, I refuse to side with either side in this dispute. I cannot side with the godless evil ACLU or with the religious right in their determination to make Christianity a politico – cultural accessory and weapon. My only option – the only Biblical option – is to watch and pray and wait for Jesus Christ to return so that the stone that the builders rejected falls on both groups of Satanic idolators, crushes them both, and grinds them both into powder. In other words, the same basic position that I have for the McCain – Obama presidential race.

7 Responses to “Federal Judge And Religious Right Agree: THE CROSS IS A STATE MILITARY SYMBOL THAT HAS NO RELIGIOUS MESSAGE!”

  1. Job, I think you held back a bit too much and need to be open with how you feel about this😆 .

    Excellent post brother.

  2. Kyle said

    I don’t see the big deal. First, of course they are going to argue that it is state military symbol. If they said that it was actually a Christian symbol then it WOULD have been torn down. So that was smart on their part. Second, what is more important the symbol or the hatred behind the movement to tare it down? You see the unsaved world still hates you, I, and Christ just as much now as they did before. Third, No “stone idol” whether standing or torn down will do anything for you or I. It is the shed blood of Jesus and knowing we are the elect of God that matters in the end. Heck! the Catholic Church has plenty of so-called “Christian” idols if you know what I mean. They sure don’t mean anything.

    Kyle

  3. So then Kyle, it’s “smart” for them to call it anything that keeps them from having to take it down?

  4. Kyle said

    Ic,

    I’m not implying either direction in this case. I think that the cross issue is a non issue. The real issue is not the stone cross but the REAL rock of offense. Precious tax dollars and time were wasted on this issue. The real hatred is not for that slab of stone but behind what it represents.

    Kyle

  5. Just checking your reasoning for using the term “smart”😉 .

  6. stan said

    I have been troubled by the American/Christianity alloy since I became a believer.

    I see the gospel as a gigantic rowboat piloted by Jesus that pulled up to the Titanic. He invites every passenger and crew member to jump in. Some do (the few). American Christian Right advocates are like those who say, “Lord, a lot of the ship is still above water and dry (meaning the USA). Let’s save it. Maybe if we get enough of the right crew (politicians and judges to steer it right) and enough welders (mega-church preachers and dominionist/spiritual warfare revivalists) to fix the rip (sin), we can get back on the Titanic (the world) where all the amenities are; and we won’t need this rowboat (the-world-denying gospel). How ’bout it?”

    The Word replies: “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” We’re not told to reform the world, but to escape it. And, “the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.” That includes all the unsaved in America, which are the many of America.

    No political machine backed by dominionism-fueled theorists can alter what God says about the nations, “The wicked shall be turned into hell, And all the nations that forget God.”

    The best that can be hoped for in any nation is that individuals among them will respond to the gospel. They will always be relatively few. After a certain time, even in a nation that experiences revival, this happens, “And, you will be hated by all nations on account of Me.”

    No church or politician can change this fact about humanity.

  7. LaVrai said

    I don’t know if this is in the write-up you posted. I saw this in the L.A. Times version (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-cross31-2008jul31,0,3647207.story):

    “The cross is also displayed “along with numerous purely secular symbols in an overall context that reinforces its secular message,” the judge said.”

    It’s not like we’re talking about Mickey Mouse’s ears here or something. How can the cross be secular? That doesn’t make any sense.

    Wow.

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