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Todd Bentley: When God Is Not Moving I Move God

Posted by Job on July 24, 2008

From Slice of Laodicea. 

19 Responses to “Todd Bentley: When God Is Not Moving I Move God”

  1. well I think you are misinterpreting what he says? Do you remember at the red sea, Moses prayed to God and what did got say? You have a stick, why are you praying for?

    Jesus has already said that everything you pray for you will get, so Todd is just standing on the promises of God and letting it flow.

    I will give you an illustration, I used to want to move in the prophetic in a non church environment but it was not till I really took risks like saying I will listen to God in the middle of a conversation, that I saw results.

    I stll owe you some material on the Knights of St John of Jerusalem.

    Barry chamish has tonnes of articles on the Fight for Jerusalem
    http://thebarrychamishwebsite.com/

  2. Kyle said

    DawkinsWatch,

    I’m sure Creflo, Bynum, Crouch, Osteen, Hinn, Duplantis, White, and Copeland are all misinterpreted also. Right?

    Kyle

  3. Melissa said

    If this were the ONLY antichrist-sounding thing Todd had ever said, I might say it was a slip of the tongue. But it’s not. He is constantly saying things that counter the Word, and elevate himself. Che Ahn even prophesied “I must decrease, you (todd) must increase”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAuD_OEcUs (he says it about minute 1:55) It is obvious that there is an antichrist spirit at work. antichrist can mean “in place of Christ.”

  4. Kyle, No Todd Bentley has never had anything to do with prosperity gospel.

  5. Kyle, No Todd Bentley has never had anything to do with prosperity gospel.

    Oh but he does promote the heresy of prosperity doctrine with all the many other heresies he spews.

    Oh let’s see how heretic defender Dawkinswatch will respond to this?

    Faith healer Todd Bentley called a fraud, false teacher


    At the time of the offering, Bentley suggested attendees would not receive a blessing unless they gave generously.

    “People get stingy when they give, but they want a generous blessing,” he said. “I’m telling you, there’s something about you reap what you sow. So you think about that as I sow. You think about what God wants you to plant as a revival seed.”

    He added that Benny Hinn and other faith healers influenced him in ministry.

    I’m sure Paul and Jan Crouch are ticked that “God TV” got this heretic first!

  6. Kyle said

    Dawkinswatch,

    Regardless of the Prosperity Gospel the afore mentioned apostates believe in the Kingdom now crap, name it and claim it, and bogus healing’s. Your homeboy Bentley is a heretic.

    Kyle

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  8. Kyle, that is where you go wrong, Where did John The Baptist say The Kingdom of God is?

    Where Did Jesus Say the Kngdom of God Is?

    Where does Daniel 2 Say that the Kingdom of God is? It comes after the Roman Empire, is this true or false?

    Kyle, what is the Kingdom of God?

    Did Jesus not say that these signs will follow whever the gospel of the Kingdom is preach. ( Preach is an announcement of Victory) So the Kingdom of God is already here.

    Did Jesus not say if the Devil is cast out by the finger of God the Kingdom of God has come?

    The problem with the kingom of Gd came with Constatine, now instead of listening to Jesus, when he said the Kingdom of God will not come by close observation but will be within, now we were forced to say the Roman empire is the Kingdom of God or the British empire was Israel. We birthed Christian Mystery and truth became very difficult to see.

    The Kingdom of God is here, it is within.

    Why then are so many evngelical preachers not followed by signs when they preach, they are teaching the gospel of atonement. Atonement is an important part of the gospel but it is not the whole gospel, it is a partial gospel.

    Paul wrote that the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating or drinking but joy, peace, righteousness in the Holy Ghost.

    Do you want to know where the Kingdom of God is? Go to where the Holy Spirit is.

  9. Well isn’t this entertaining, first Dawkinswatch cries that Todd Bentley is not part of the prosperity Kingdom now heretic bunch and then he tries to defend it.

    Dawkinswatch , go read 1 Corinthians 15 and stop embarrassing yourself in front of us.

    Proverbs 17:28 (New American Standard Bible)

    28 Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
    When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.

  10. Well the dispesationalists ( Unbiblical) have misused and abused the 1 cor 12, 13 and 14 to justify why the power is not following their preaching.

    1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (King James Version)
    King James Version (KJV)

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    8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    1 Corinthians 9-12

    9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

    10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

    11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

    12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

    You see the mind control which dispensationalists have run is that all will be done away with.

    But perfection is not here yet, we are suppose to know fully and not at all. We are supposed to move away from partial prophecy into full knowledge.

    You see there is a danger of going into total unbelief by pastors teaching what is not there.

    Perfection has not come yet, so we will continue to have prophecey in part.

    At the end of the day what is the advantage of being powerleass over disease, not hearing from God instead twisting ourselves into intellectual corners?

    How much harvest is being gathered by those who have rejected the promises on signs following the preaching of the gospel?

    With all their resource, apologetics and seminaries?

    Give me th Holy Spirit anyday and we can bring good news to many. Wh understands that to a man in pain salvation is good news but it is better news when their pain leaves them?

    In fact Jesus gave instructions to the twelve and the seven two on how to preach the gospel. “heal the sick, cleanse the lepers raise the dead, cast out demons and say the Kingdom of God is near”

    What Todd Bentley , Bill Johnson and I are saying this is still the best way to preach the gospel.

    It is not good enough saying that Todd Bentley is false, you have to get on your knees and ask God to send a better revival. Otherwise the Cost of Todd Bentley not being in ministry is too high. How are you going to make up for the people who might have received the Kingdom of God, if Todd was not doing it?

    Many people have not come to faith,Let Todd do his thing.

  11. Dawkinswatch, with your every comment, one can only sigh. Because rare is it that someone comes here and each subsequent comment they make is more pathetic than their previous.

    Give me th Holy Spirit anyday and we can bring good news to many. Wh understands that to a man in pain salvation is good news but it is better news when their pain leaves them?

    Oh, so now the gift of salvation that God grants and men speak of is not good enough news? Is the grace of God not sufficient, if He does not will their body to be healed?

    2 Corinthians 12:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)

    9 And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness ” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

    10 Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

    When we are weak, then we are strong in Christ. While you Dawkinswatch claim that unless you’ve got some “signs and wonders” there is no great power. One of the worst statements I’ve seen on this blog to date.

    In fact Jesus gave instructions to the twelve and the seven two on how to preach the gospel. “heal the sick, cleanse the lepers raise the dead, cast out demons and say the Kingdom of God is near”

    The Kingdom of Heaven is near, and that would conflict with your efforts to promote the false kingdom now doctrine.

    The Apostles did heal, raise the dead and cast out demons. So Dawkinswatch, how many dead people have you prayed for and they raised from the dead? If your measure is that a Christian must fulfill that or not have any real power, than you yourself are without any power at all. Unless you can show me full documentation of at least one person raised from the dead via your praying to God for such a miracle. If you have not done this yet and feel you have “power”, than by your own measure, please go to the local hospital morgue in your area and raise a freshly dead body from the dead, video tape it and put it on YouTube for us, OK?

    With Todd Bentley, no confirmation of him praying and anyone raising from the dead. Even the data he provided the media about healings never checked out as being valid information.

    What Todd Bentley , Bill Johnson and I are saying this is still the best way to preach the gospel.

    Shake people down for money and make up bogus claims of gifts you don’t have. Yea, as the SNL saying went “that’s the ticket!”🙄

    It is not good enough saying that Todd Bentley is false, you have to get on your knees and ask God to send a better revival.

    God did send better, it’s called the Bible, that book Todd is out of agreement with. Baptizing in the name of “Bam”.

    Otherwise the Cost of Todd Bentley not being in ministry is too high.

    Now you’ve basically asserted that God needs Todd. There is a misguided level of logic in that statement, that totally defies scripture. God builds His church, not Bentley and charlatans.

    How are you going to make up for the people who might have received the Kingdom of God, if Todd was not doing it?

    Again, God builds His church. Todd Bentley is unable to save anyone, himself included, Jesus Saves. Todd has no “kingdom” to offer anyone.

    Many people have not come to faith,Let Todd do his thing.

    Todd doing his thing is only to ensure the following scripture is fulfilled.

    Matthew 24:24 (New American Standard Bible)

    24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

    Turn from that false prophet! That false man you run to claiming he anointed.

  12. dawkinswatch said

    You see the internet is making people lose focus, I pray for the sick, they do not pay anything, I do not have a church I am just a street evangelist.

    Most Sundays you get me preaching on Speakers Corner in a Park In London and miracles follow because I preaching the full gospel. The Gospel of the Kingdom.

    Well you interpretation of what Paul was saying is not consistent simply because paul says I did not come with great intellect or great arguments but with power.

    Jesus says greater things will you do because I go to the Father, well the dispensationalists have nullified the words of God by their man made traditions.

    Independent conservative Have you been baptised by the Holy Spirit, please read Acts 19.

    Someone needs to lay hands on you and get you to speak in tongues, intepret tounges, receive words of Knowledge, Have a Gift of Faith, start healing the sick.

    What you have called Christianity is institutionalised powerlessness. No one can read the Bible and come up with the cessationist dogma.

    Independent Conservative I read your blog but you are a materialist, and llke Paul says everything you see is dying but spiritual will live forever.

    You have invested in a inferior reality, you need to start seeing the spiritual realm.

    Paul and Peter would be laying hands on you to receive the Baptism of the Holy spirit. You need to hear from God directly. You need to have angels sightings in your meetings , you need to have Jesus visit you, you need to see visions of third heaven like Isa 6. You need to smell the glory, like roses.

    Like Paul be drunk in the Holy Spirit, I am inviting you into the spirit realm, a superior reality. All you have to say I “Come Holy Spirit” and sparks will fly.

    These things are easy to test, I will teach you a prayer which will get your first hundred healings in a month. Ask someone who has a pain to say ” This healings belongs to me because of what Jesus has done I receive my healing now in Jesus name Amen”.

    Ask yourself does God want you to heal the sick? How long will you be invested in an inferior reality? Creation in groaning for the sons of God to manifest.

  13. Dawkinswatch – I didn’t ask you to go on a counter Matthew 6 brag fest about anything you do. I also didn’t ask for your delusional views. I asked you to show me this power you claim to have and post a YouTube video of yourself raising someone from the dead at a hospital morgue of your choosing. Till you do this, everything you say is meaningless by your own standard of judgement.

    Also, if you would like to prove you have “power”, since you claim you, Bill Johnson and Todd Bentley walk in “the best way to preach the gospel” and what was told to the Apostles, you can go for the fullness of Mark 16:17-18, by drinking some poison. I highly recommend you do this with a friend nearby ready to take you to the hospital. Unless you feel your friend will raise you from the dead!

  14. I’ll stick with Colossians 2 and what you see as “powerless” Dawkinswatch.

    Kyle, I don’t think there’s any good reason to continue with him.

  15. LAKELAND DISASTER TIMES THREE

  16. dawkinswatch said

    Tell me then people where is the Kingdom of God?

    Jesus said it “the Kingdom will not come by Close observation, It is within you”. There Jesus believes in Kingdom now.

    I told you Find out when the Holy Spirit Is You have found the Kingdom.

  17. David L. Williams said

    Many Bible translations say, “The Kingdom is in your midst,” rather than it is “within you.” Yet I agree with both. The Kingdom of God Jesus was talking about is invisible to the naked eyes, and only shows by someone exhibiting God’s love from within them.

    Someone said long ago that the “Kingdom is here already, but not yet.” Now it only manifests Spiritually, but in the future, it will manifest physically as well when Jesus comes to rule on earth. DavWms

  18. Kyle said

    DawkinsWatch,

    Brother, I hope God opens your eyes to the truth. I DON’T question your salvation but I DO question your other beliefs. And please don’t think for a moment that all of us here were not once part of the WoF/Prosperity/Signs and Wonders movement because we ALL were.

    First, no you don’t need to have the Holy Ghost anointing like you say in terms of speaking in tongues or the such to be saved. Also, laying hands as interpreted by hyper-Pentecostals is also blown way out of proportion. Lastly, I hate to say this but most of the “extra” biblical things you claim as biblical are actually man made interpretations based on man’s fleshly desires.

    Kyle

  19. Kyle I have never been part of the Word of Faith and Prosperity movement. I think they are flawed and I do not think Todd Bentley is part of that movement.

    Kyle look around, you and go read the book of Acts which one is the real thing?

    All the powerlessness has led to the Liberal churches, simply because you know in the Book of Acts they say that people left them alone. Some of the people who do not want revival know they will be exposed.

    Kyle when do you ever get to exercise your faith? Do you know that it is impossible to please God without faith?

    Why did Jesus say that when the son of man returned, would he find faith?

    Please read Hebrews 11- and you might see what it takes and ask yourself are you walking in faith what are the promises God has given you?

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