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Todd Bentley’s Angel Emma Tries To Take The Place Of The Holy Spirit!

Posted by Job on June 26, 2008

Lakeland Revival: Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, and some things to consider « Sola Dei Gloria

Remember Isaiah 14:12-14 stating that Satan was kicked out of heaven after thinking “I can be like the Most High?” That was when Ezekiel 28:15 states that iniquity was found in him!

Well, let me tell you this: read the book of Acts, and it clearly states that the movements of God were initiated by God, particularly God the Holy Spirit. Angels appeared prominently in Acts, but as SERVANTS of God and of MESSENGERS of God, not as initiators of prophetic movements. Bentley’s doctrines are putting Satan and his evil kingdom into the place of the holy righteous God, and so many Christians are either allowing him to, or refusing to speak out against it. Soli Deo Gloria’s information on this below:

Let me begin by saying, in the last few days I’ve received some
pretty nasty letters from those who were angry with me for posting some
of the teachings of Todd Bentley; why? Because they believe this
revival and Todd Bentley’s teachings are from God. I’ll respond now to
those letter with this: In my 28 years of serving the Lord I’ve learned
this: its better to obey God then man, and from Man I have nothing to
fear, but from God I have much to answer for if I fail to obey.

moving on…

Below I’d like to just present a few links, quotes, and things to
consider on the subject of this so-called Angel called ‘Emma’ and this
revival with the understanding that what is posted will most likely not
change the minds of those who are defending this man’s visions or
‘Angel sightings’…but, nevertheless I’ll obey the Lord. I feel this is
important mainly because at least (2) well know Christian leaders
and/or Org. are now promoting this highly: one is Lee Grady of Charisma
magazine the other the CBN network.

Lets begin with Todd’s own words:

“Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980:
“Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me
as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I
said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s.
She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it
broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a
service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in
conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma.
As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.”
I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was
almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white
dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma
appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the
same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs
31 on her life.

She glided into the room,
emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began
pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of
the church, she began putting gold dustThe
Lord answered: “She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation
and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I
want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel
that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and
releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.”
on people. “God, what is happening?” I asked. (courtesy of endtimes prophectic words)

I’m not going to comment on the entire content of this, having
already done so in other posts, but want to say a few words on the
bolded sentences:

Bob Jones mentions the Angel ‘Emma’ to Todd…telling him this same
Angel appeared in Kansas city in 1980: this was 3 years prior to Bob
Jones formally joining up with the Kansas City Prophets, (see KCP: The Roots of the Revival by Tricia Tillin) and that it was this Angel which helped to birth the Prophetic movement in the 80’s; (The Kansas City Prophets)

If by chance you are one of the few Christians, or a new Christian
who has not heard or read of the scandals which came out of this
movement called The Kansas City Prophets, I’d like to post a couple
links and quotes:

(From intotruth:A look at his experiences and their hazardous effect on the body of Christ, By Timothy Smith, former member of Kansas City Fellowship – aka Kansas City Prophets)

Emblazoned on the pages of
Charisma Magazine, Christianity Today, and a host of other
publications, these men are gaining worldwide recognition. Who are
they? What is it they are doing that has attracted the eyes and ears of
so many? The place is Kansas City; the time is 1989-1990. An energetic
young man by the name of Mike Bickle is leading a group of people who
are in the midst of seeing the apostle and prophet restored to the
church. Prophetic words that reveal secrets of the heart are a regular
occurrence at a place known as Kansas City Fellowship.

By far, the most extraordinary individual is Bob Jones (not
connected in any way to Bob Jones University). White-headed,
middle-aged and plainspoken, Bob has a gentle, nostalgic persona that
endears those he is talking to. His annual visit with the Lord on the
Day of Atonement is probably Bob’s biggest claim to fame. Throngs of
souls wait in anticipation for this event known as The Shepherd’s Rod,
when, according to Bob, Jesus turns every believer over to inspect them
like a shepherd does his sheep, (see Ezekiel 20:37, RSV). There is no
concern about his lack of theological training, no alarm at his mixture
of cultic beliefs with the Christian faith, and absolutely, positively
no keeping score of prophecies and visions which turned out to be
false! After all, Mike Bickle has stated that Bob Jones seems to walk
with the Lord day and night. However, no human is perfect, and that is
why today’s emerging prophets and seers miss a few here and there. As
they mature God will help them increase in accuracy and power, Mike
explains.

So goes the story of a movement
that has ensnared tens of thousands of individuals. People who are
sincere in their devotion, who really do want to serve God and do His
will. But, as I was for my five years at Kansas City Fellowship, they
are sincerely wrong. Danger lurks in places or people who toss
discernment out the window in order to be part of the “new thing” God
is doing.

Literally hundreds of examples
could be used in exposing the mystical, cultic origins of Bob Jones’
visions and dreams. Why have I chosen this particular vision? Because
it illustrates more than any other the world Bob Jones lives in. It
reveals the supernatural, Gnostic foundation upon which Kansas City
Fellowship and the prophetic movement at large is founded upon, more
than any other single item I have come across in years of research on
this “new breed” of ministry leaders. The vision of Basilisk is but one
instance of what the apostle Paul warned the church at Colosse to be
wary of:

“Do not let anyone
disqualify you by making you humiliate yourself and worship angels.
Such people enter into visions, which fill them with foolish pride
because of their human way of thinking. They do not hold tightly to
Christ, the head. It is from him that all the parts of the body are
cared for and held together. So it grows in the way God wants it to
grow.”
— Colossians 2:18-19, NCV.

During my five-year tenure at
Kansas City Fellowship I was an eyewitness to the teachings and
experiences of Bob Jones and John Paul Jackson, as well as the lesser
known “prophets” and “seers.”

One of the key elements in the
early history of Kansas City Fellowship was the comet that appeared in
the sky on May 7, 1983. Of course, none other than Bob Jones predicted
this comet. Planets, comets, weather patterns, even visits with angels
and trips to heaven are things Bob speaks of as confirmations of his
dreams and visions being from the Lord. As you will read later, the
Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet that bombarded Jupiter in 1994 is used as a
confirmation of this vision of Basilisk.

The purpose of analyzing this
vision is not personal attack. I have nothing against Bob Jones as a
person. What I am concerned about is those who are being led astray by
his unscriptural teachings. Drawing from personal experience and many
hours of research, it became clear to me that this vision of Basilisk,
and the account thereof, contains numerous inaccuracies, not the least
of which is shaping events and scriptures to justify God as the
vision’s source. Thanks for taking the time to read this article. May
God bless and direct you in His will for your life…
(go to link to read more)

This is but one of any number of articles which tell of the
false prophecies, dreams, and visions of this group, in particular Bob
Jones.
also read: “Vintage Metro: My Eight Years With The Kansas City Prophets” (Part One), (Part Two), and A Look at the Kansas City Prophets.

Bob Jones…the same Bob Jones who was a member of the Kansas City
Prophets (now with The infamous Elijah List prophets, as are most of
the KCP) has had his share of controversy.

From an open letter at Prayershack:

Quote;

In November 2005 I received a
letter from an old friend of mine, Kathy. She was actually responding
to a letter I had sent her detailing some points about a recent trip I
had taken to North Carolina where I visited Rick Joyner’s church, at
which Bob Jones was also present. In my letter I detailed several
reasons why I cannot accept Joyner and Jones as true apostles or
prophets. Apparently, my letter was a bit of a surprise to Kathy so she
passed it along to a friend of hers by the name of Patricia King (extremeprophetic.com, *also see my post Extreme and dangerous teachings)
who apparently knows Bob Jones and Rick Joyner. Patricia replied to
Kathy and claimed I was in error about Jones and also stated that
Christians need to guard against negativity and that we need to pray
for covering of ALL ministries. This is sadly typical among many of
these so-called “prophetic” ministries today; rather than examine
things in light of documented evidence, the truth of Scripture and
sound reason, they give responses like Patricia’s – warning against
negativity, against touching God’s anointed, against receiving any
contrary report and making a righteous judgment/discernment, and seek
to discredit the ones pointing out the error but without any stated
evidence to back up their claim. I responded to the very short response
Patricia gave Kathy (who in turn forwarded it to me). The following is
that letter. I wanted to re-print it here since it contains further
evidence why I cannot in good conscience receive Rick Joyner, Bob Jones
or Paul cain as true apostles, prophets or ministers of God. NOTE: A
few details in the letter have been edited to clarify context and some
minor corrections adjusted. I also shared my corrections with Kathy
concerning the initial resources regarding Bob Jones.

Hi Kat…

Ok, here’s my long-winded
response to the concerns voiced by your friend (Patricia King) who
thinks I am misrepresenting Bob Jones…

The news about Jones was
reported in the Olathe Daily News paper, 11/31/91. It contained that
Jones admitted to sexual misconduct. He was removed from “ministry” to
undergo a process of “restoration”. This news was also published in a
book called “What Happened To The Fire” by Lee Grady (1994).
On page 103 it states, “About a year later, after the church had become
affiliated with John Wimber’s Vineyard network of churches, Jones
admitted to a moral failure and was removed from his leadership
position. Later, Mike Bickle stated publicly that he had promoted Jones
improperly. He admitted that his church’s emphasis on prophecy and
mystical experiences had been unhealthy and destructive.” Then, in
another review of the Kansas City Prophets, Bill Alnor of the Christian
Sentinal reported the following: “Jones, who was using his spiritual authority to induce women to disrobe for him, was removed from that church.”
I have contacted Bill personally and he will be forwarding me a copy of
the investigative internal report that was published directly by the
leadership team at the church where this incident transpired. The Apologetics Index,
which is a ministry that researches resources on cults, sects and other
religious movements, doctrines and practices, also reported on the
matter. They state the following, that Bob Jones “was removed
from the Vineyard Anaheim because of sexual improprieties, which
consisted of encouraging women to undress in his office so they could
stand ‘naked before the Lord’ in order to receive a ‘word.’”

In addition to this, several cult watch organizations have put him (Bob
Jones) on watch for the same thing. Those are my sources concerning the
sexual misconduct issue…
(more at link)

And this is the man who Todd Bentley is listening to and who asks him about, and promotes this Angel by the name of Emma.

Also see; The Kansas City Prophets – Inside a Prophetic Service, which gives an inside view.

While researching this revival today, and the programs being aired
at GODTV, it was noted by at least 2 people who watched a recent
program that this ‘Angel’ was also being referred to by Bentley as not
only ‘Emma’ but ‘Emma-O’ on occasion. Could that be a slip of the
tongue on his part, or a clue to who this really is?

From Answers.com;

Emma-O’, derived from the Sanskrit Yama (see Yama), is the Japanese Buddhist Lord of Jigoku, or Hell
(see Jigoku). Emma judges souls and places them in hells appropriate to
their crimes. In this context there are a total of eight hells. These
have been described by people who were for one reason or another
released from punishment. The hells are a popular subject for Japanese
scrolls. Emma’s primary enemy is Jizō (see Jizō), always a supporter of
the dead souls against Emma and usually the victor over his dark
adversary. As Jizō’s popularity has grown and Emma’s diminished, Emma has become a demon.

also see, Britannica online, and Encyclopedia Mythica

Irregardless if you believe there could be a connection between Bob
Jones’ Angel Emma, (and Todd Bentley’s) with this false god or demon in
mythology, is neither here nor there: what both these men are
communicating with is a demon–disguised as an Angel of God. There is
not ONE iota of doubt in my mind that this is true. I’ve prayed, wept
many tears before the Lord concerning this. Do not be deceived
friends…it is what it is. Ask yourself, would this Angel ‘Emma’ have
helped ‘birth’ (as Jones claims) such a movement as the KCP’s…which not
only introduced the false notion that prophets ‘only have to be correct
part of the time’, and the other false teachings, but also produced
sexual scandals within the movement?

The other one being that of Paul Cain, another Kansas City Prophet, also involved in the Elijah List today: see Paul Cain, Latter Rain Prophet of Renown Is Now Discredited.

quote;

Paul Cain, a prophetic legend
and a living bridge to William Branham and the Latter Rain of the 50’s,
has now been revealed to be an alcoholic and a practicing homosexual.
Ironically, this disclosure came at the hands of his fellow prophets
who had elevated him to a super prophet status and who themselves
endeavored to attain the lofty prophetic mantle of Cain himself. Bob
Jones, a Kansas City prophet, himself discredited by sexual
indiscretions in his prophetic practice, referred to Cain’s prophetic
ministry as: “the terror of the Lord” (Al Dager, Vengeance is Ours,
(Redmond, Washington: Sword Publishers), July, 1990, p.131).

One last comment:

You may have noticed in one of the quotes above the name Lee Grady
of Charisma magazine. The author mentions Grady’s book, written back in
1994, “What Happened To The Fire”

In this book, which I have read excerpts of, Lee Grady, and rightly
so takes to task the false prophetic movement, mysticism, and false
doctrine which has and is even now permeating the Church:

quote from a review of his book:

Grady writes.
“Charismatic churches in America today are laden down with tons of
baggage that needs to be thrown over board. If we would reject our
misguided mysticism, our smug elitism and our hollow egotism, I believe
our churches would be aflame with holy zeal. If we would renounce our
bizarre infatuation with money and success, I believe, God would grant
us true passion for the Savior. If we would stop mistreating the flock
of God, He might give us man more sheep to tend. And, most importantly,
if we would stop building our own human-centered kingdoms, He might
afford us the honor of playing a part in building His.”

“The Word-faith movement has,
in many cases, infected the Body of Christ with gross materialism.
Rather than focus our attention on meeting the needs of people less
fortunate than we are, or on reaching the unreached for Christ, the
prosperity gospel has turned our concern inward, on how we can acquire
more wealth, nicer cars or bigger houses.”

He rejects the idea as
unbiblical the charismatic/Pentecostal line that there’s a new wave of
the spirit comprised of last day super Christians. He says this idea is
“elitist” and is left over from the heretical Latter Rain movement of
the 1950s: “Nowhere does Scripture foretell a special breed of
Christians who will one day surpass all others in their spirituality,
and the sooner we banish this perverse doctrine from our midst the
better. The Bible is clear. All men and women fall into one category:
unrighteous.”

In accepting the idea that
there are super prophets with us today such as Bob Jones, who was
affiliated with the Kansas City Fellowship run by Mike Bickle (which
was later incorporated into John Wimber’s Vineyard Movement), we are
accepting “witchcraft” into the church, Grady writes on page 104.
(Jones, who was using his spiritual authority to induce women to
disrobe for him, was removed from that church.) He writes that another
super prophet, Paul Cain, also of Wimber’s movement, has given numerous
false prophecies.

In a chapter entitled
“Fabricating the Anointing” Grady gives one of the best explanations of
the “slain in the spirit” phenomenon I have seen. He correctly states
that it is not biblical nor was “collapsing under the power of God”
common in the early church. He says much of it is learned behavior and
adds: “I have also watched evangelists send believers tumbling to the
floor by brute force, by whacking them on the forehead. Pushing people
to the ground to simulate God’s anointing is a sham that cheapens the
gifts of the Holy Spirit.”
(link)

AFTER WRITING THIS BOOK, we now read that Grady is not only
promoting the very thing he warned about, but is warning the Sheep not
to have ‘a wrong attitude’…in other words stop being a Berean, and
don’t rock the boat.

From Breaking Christian news:As Florida Healings Continue, Charisma Editor Warns Against Wrong Attitudes

J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma magazine, has posted a timely message on Faith News Network
on the subject of healing. He begins his editorial with a reminder of
what exactly Jesus disliked about the Pharisees: primarily their
hyper-legalism. “They stayed away from women, children, dead bodies,
lepers, beggars, sinners, blood, shellfish, pigs and—especially—people
of other ethnic backgrounds,” writes Grady. “They didn’t want ‘unclean’
Gentiles to corrupt them.”

When Jesus traveled to the
Decapolis region and healed a deaf and dumb villager (possibly a
Gentile), Grady says, “Jesus broke every religious rule in the
Pharisees’ hand-washing manual when He performed this miracle….Jesus
was making a point. He didn’t come to earth to spend His time washing
His hands inside a synagogue. His message was not about what not to eat
or who to avoid. He came to touch dirty people. He came to cleanse
lepers, heal bleeding women, hold children, eat with tax collectors and
forgive prostitutes.”

“Too often,” adds Grady, “we
fall under the influence of the ‘religious sanitation police.’
Religious systems despise healing, and they certainly don’t endorse
touching the addicted, the diseased, the demonized or the dying…True
holiness invades sickness, sin and shame—and overcomes it.”

Concerning current revivals
with manifested healings, Grady concludes, “God wants a holy breakout.
He intends for all believers to lay hands on the sick and to restore
the broken. The same Holy Spirit who anointed Jesus to cleanse lepers
has empowered us with a healing touch. Please don’t sit on your hands
during this crucial hour.”
(more at link)

Can you see the irony in this?

also see, CBN, Lakeland Revival Miracle Healings Continue,
another ministry, like Grady who I have to believe has not done their
homework on any of the leaders of this revival or their teachings:
namely Todd Bentley, Bob Jones or Patrica King. And yes, they are
personally involved as well as Bentley.

I will end with this…yes I believe in true God sent revival, yes I
know God still heals today, yes, I believe in miracles, and yes, I
believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit being in operation today.

BUT I also know, because the word of God tells us so, that we are not to accept every spirit but to try the spirits; 1John 4:1

I also know we were warned more then once, to beware of false prophets:

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in
damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring
upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their
pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil
spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
and their damnation slumbereth not”
2 Peter 2:1-3

A further portion of the quote from Todd Bentley from above on Emma:

Within three weeks of that
visitation, (from ‘Emma”) the church had given me the biggest offering
I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands!
During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got
totally whacked by the Holy Ghost – she began running around barking
like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit
came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them… Then angels started showing up in the church.”

Now ask yourself, is that REALLY evidence of the God of the Bible?

May God bless you in your search for truth, and may you always be a true Berean.

pj

*see also WolfTracks: Let Sleeping Wolves Lie? and the excellent links at the end of their post.

*from Bentley’s newsletter today:

We have rescheduled all our programming, and are about
to make some revolutionary decisions which will no doubt cost us more
revenue, but we want to be OBEDIENT to the Spirit of the Lord. As many
of you have guessed, we have NO BUDGET to broadcast this outpouring. It
was not in OUR plans – oh but HOW it was in GODS PLANS FOR GOD TV!

We have gone out on a limb and are riding the wave with the Holy
Spirit. This Sunday we run out of the money given to carry the revival
live EVERY night, but our hearts AND YOUR hearts are all burning to
keep the revival on air!

If
its within your power to sow into broadcasting this historic outpouring
– and you are led by the Lord to do so – countless millions around the
world will be eternally grateful – what can we say – things we know
your heart already beats with – multitudes are already being DELIVERED,
SET FREE, HEALED, RADICALLY SAVED AND SET AFLAME BY THESE BROADCASTS
ALL ACROSS THE EARTH!

We need YOU… the Body of Christ needs YOU… the lost world needs YOU
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4 Responses to “Todd Bentley’s Angel Emma Tries To Take The Place Of The Holy Spirit!”

  1. angel said

    I Don’t know of any female angels in the bible.

  2. ray stone said

    There is no mention of female angels in the Bible, yet it does not necessarily mean that they do not exits. We take our theology from God’s Word, not from personal revelations. This is where error occurs and every cult arises. A leader can be authentic, but due to a lack of personal Biblical training, covering and accountability, unorthodox mannerism and cavalier behavior, his doctrine can be off and present problems to the move that he may be used in. This may or may not be the case with Bentley. For a great read, check out “A Step Into Deliverance” by T. Pugh. It is a riveting autobiography about a pastor’s journey into the deliverance ministry.

  3. Ray Stone,

    There is no mention of female angels in the Bible, yet it does not necessarily mean that they do not exits.

    Well then let’s just claim that there are flying pigs too? Someone says something unbiblical and you hedge that something clearly NOT in the Word of God is plausible. Well the Bible never mentions Jesus had a female Apostle, are we to assert now that there were possibly females in the office of Apostle? The Bible never mentions a female high priest of the old temple, but you know there are a lot of years in Israel’s history the Bible does not document, so should we claim there were female high priests?

    No Ray, there are no female angels. Angels while not actually being of a human gender always presented themselves in the male tone, just as God who is above males and females always is noted as HE. Todd Bentley is a false teaching heretic.

    Would you also like to believe that Jesus Has Brown Eyes Like Bambi?

    What do you make of Todd Bentley claim God tells him to beat people up and him actually doing it?
    Todd Bentley: God Told Me To Physically Batter And Assault Women During Services

    Todd Bentley Caught On Tape Committing Assault (The man in that video was later interviewed and still has cancer.)

  4. RAMLA said

    It is very interesting topic. If there are male angels as well as female angels, there must be some angels to be gay or homosexual angels.

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