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The Link Between Freemasonry And The Ku Klux Klan: Albert Pike. Remember: Pentecostalism Founder Charles Parham Was A Freemason AND A Klansman!

Posted by Job on May 18, 2008

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49 Responses to “The Link Between Freemasonry And The Ku Klux Klan: Albert Pike. Remember: Pentecostalism Founder Charles Parham Was A Freemason AND A Klansman!”

  1. Whatever Charles Parham may have been, he was NOT the founder of Pentecostalism. JESUS CHRIST was. He founded the Pentecostal Church on the Day of Pentecost, 30 AD, when He sent HIS Spirit to indwell HIS Church, where He remains unto this day.

  2. Job said

    Duane Williams:

    So Jesus Christ founded Pentecostalism in 1900? So … what were all the Christians on the planet doing before then? You know, you are sounding more and more like Joseph Smith of Mormonism, who claims that Christianity was apostate before he restored it through the Mormon church. Oh yes, Joseph Smith claimed that Trinity was a lie invented by the Roman Catholic Church too.

    • PJMcK1954 said

      On the subject of the LDS cult, The Book of Mormon, if it doesn’t put you to sleep, is interesting, Note that passages weer actually lifted out of the King James Version of the Holy Bible (in the English language that was spoken in 1611). This is all supposedly translated from gold plates.
      If that book, which should be called The Book of Mormon’s Fables (and classified as fiction) was translated from gold plates in the early 1800’s, it would stand to reason that the text would be in the English language spoken by author Joseph Smith.
      By the way, I understand that th Book of Mormon was actually an unpublished novel of religious fiction.

  3. Job, the Oneness heretics just have me➡ 😆

  4. Stuffgirlslike said

    Parham did not start Pentecostalism, it happened in Asuza Street aand he came to see the revival and was later prevented from attending the meetings.

  5. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Job,

    Read it again, slowly this time. The date I gave was 30 AD, not 1900. God’s True Church has always experienced the Gifts of the Spirit, never slipped into idolatry, and has never needed “reformed” or “restored”. That’s right. There have been One God, Apostolic, tongue talkin, Holy rollin, Born Again, Heaven bound believers in the liberating Power of Jesus’ Name from the day of Pentecost in 30 AD unto this very day.

  6. Stuffgirlslike said

    Job check your facts,

    Christians were partaking in enlightenment (illuminism)and wanted the Holy Spirit restricted. In 1908 in Sunderland North England the Holy Spirit fell and those who spoke in tongues were ex-communicated.

    When the Holy Spirit fell in Asuza, Black people embraced that move of God and the powers in Christendom (Rome and Lambeth Palace) had to start their own charismatic movement because they saw how great the public response to the Holy Spirit.

  7. Stuffgirlslike – You might want to research this more thoroughly. The Azusa street incident of the early 1900s was initiated by a man named William J. Seymour, who was a STUDENT of Charles Fox Parham. All that Seymour touted in terms of babblings and everything else he got straight from Parham. Parham was such a “nice” racist, that he allowed Seymour to take in the false teachings from an adjacent classroom from where he was teaching. Once Parham saw what Seymour had initiated WITHOUT HIM AT THE HEAD OF IT, Parham denounced the whole thing and suddenly came up with similar elsewhere. From the racial division that was there, although it’s often claimed it was not, came the Black COGIC (Church of God in Christ) and the White AoG (Assemblies of God) denominations.

    And you should also: Learn About the Holy Spirit

  8. Job said

    Stuffgirlslike:

    Azusa Street was started by William Seymour. But William Seymour received the Azusa Street doctrines from Charles Parham. Seymour was trained by Parham first in the midwest, then he followed Parham to Texas to attend Parham’s “bible college.” Except the freemason Klansman Parham forced Seymour to sit in another room and Seymour had to take notes from whatever he heard through an open door. After Seymour graduated from the Klansman’s Bible college, THEN he went to Los Angeles to work at a church, who fired him after his first sermon. Why?

    1. Because Seymour’s doctrines (obtained from Parham) of a multiple workings of grace was not supported in the Bible (and it still isn’t unless you guys have written a new book or three).

    2. Because Seymour did not even exhibit the workings of grace that he was preaching.

    By the way, Seymour began Azusa Street and accepted Parham’s doctrines because he felt that the return of tongues and these other sign gifts would unify the church along class and racial lines, fulfill the Great Commission, and bring about the return of Jesus Christ IN HIS OWN TIME. That, er, so did not happen. Quite the contrary, rather than having the koinonia fellowship of the MULTIRACIAL early church – you know, something that is present where the real Holy Spirit actually is – the Pentecostal movement split into the white Assemblies of God and the black Churches of God in Christ less than 10 years after Azusa Street, and then those groups divided further over doctrinal issues.

    Incidentally, after William Seymour died with Jesus Christ not having returned and leaving behind a Christian community that was even more confused and divided than it was before it started, Seymour’s wife took over his church. Yep, Azusa Street began a huge pattern of allowing women like Aimee Semple McPherson to run not only churches but entire denominations! (And Semple McPherson herself was quite a personality, the forerunner of today’s Paula White and Juanita Bynum.) Never mind the fact that the Bible clearly forbids female preachers!

    Incidentally, the charismatic movement in America and elsewhere in the world was an outgrowth of Wesleyan Methodism. Wesley got his PRACTICE from the Moravian Christians in Europe, BUT HE DID NOT EMULATE THEIR DOCTRINES. And the ORIGINAL charismatics (who were quite different from the modern ones!) took Wesley’s PRACTICE but either embellished or largely abandoned Wesley’s doctrines also. Add it all up, and you get a movement that really was removed from the Bible.

    Fortunately, as the charismatic movement got older, many of its churches and denominations went back to a more Biblical foundation, and now a great many of the charismatic churches in the more older and established denominations are almost indistinguishable from most evangelical churches in doctrines and practice, and those churches actually played a major role in keeping evangelical Christianity itself from going in a liberal direction for a time (although it now appears that just such time is just about to end). But that does not change the fact that the original Azusa Street movement was based on a corrupted form of Wesleyan Methodism, and furthermore was at the very beginning and continued so to be very different from the early church that was depicted in Acts and the epistles. As a matter of fact, Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, Galatians, and 1 Timothy and John wrote his 3 epistles AND Revelation PRECISELY TO OPPOSE the very things that were going on during Azusa Street and came out of it!

  9. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Since it was conveniently ignored the first time…..

    Job,

    Read it again, slowly this time. The date I gave was 30 AD, not 1900. God’s True Church has always experienced the Gifts of the Spirit, never slipped into idolatry, and has never needed “reformed” or “restored”. That’s right. There have been One God, Apostolic, tongue talkin, Holy rollin, Born Again, Heaven bound believers in the liberating Power of Jesus’ Name from the day of Pentecost in 30 AD unto this very day.

  10. Those elders who rebuked Seymour are often not mentioned, but thank God through Jesus Christ they stood against the false doctrine of babblings.

    The bad fruit was further proven when the Azusa street “missionaries” tried to “minister” in India and they discovered their so-called “tongues” was nothing but babblings. NOBODY heard ANYTHING in a true language and they were unable to display their claimed “gift” as a true tool of ministry. Because it was NOT the gift of tongues, none of them, not one had the true gift of tongues, zip, nada, none of them. And even when the secular media reported on the event, they could do nothing but call it utter madness and they heard no languages spoken. It was 1 Corinthians 14:23 to a new extreme, but today it’s cited as some grand move of Gawd 🙄 .

    And nobody ever talks about the FACT that many people openly into practices of the OCCULT ENJOYED the Azusa Street incident and were there the ENTIRE TIME. Azusa was NOT a place of “casting out demons”, the demons had found a home to roost!

    As a matter of fact, Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, Galatians, and 1 Timothy and John wrote his 3 epistles AND Revelation PRECISELY TO OPPOSE the very things that were going on during Azusa Street and came out of it!

    Amen brother!

  11. Ev. Duane Williams said

    That’s it. You’ve given me no choice. I must now turn you over to Pastor Gary Reckart. I’ve tried to reason with you, but I see it is pointless. You have my pity.

  12. hubison said

    Gary Reckhart is an authority on modalist heresy not biblical doctrine so his opinion(and it is just that)is not the issue.Let’s look at the facts here Mr. Williams.

    Let’s begin by clearing up the misconceptions about what the trinity is.First and foremost trinitarians believe in one God revealed in 3 distinct persons.The oneness of God is revealed to us in the unity of the 3. As a body has many parts it is yet one body and as a family has many members it is yet one family.Now if we apply the modalist view to that we get the father being the mother in nurturing the father in authority and the child in obedience which is incorrect.So is the modalist view of the godhead,Jesus is not the father who is not the holy spirit who is likewise not the son yet they operate in total unity as the true living God. See Matthew {3:16} And Jesus,when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the

    water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he

    saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting

    upon him: {3:17} And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This

    is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    The father speaks of the son while the holy spirit descends upon him which clearly shows a distinction between the 3.In Genesis {1:26} And God said, Let us make man in our image,

    after our likeness:

    Here the godhead communicates with each other in the creation of mankind.Why would God say us and our words that indicate plurality if Jesus was the only person in the Godhead?Understand that God was not talking to the angels since there is not one scripture supporting the notion that angels created man or anything for that matter.

    There is a clear distinction in the godhead that is stated in Matthew 22:41-46 where Jesus is questioning the pharisees he says 41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

    42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

    43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

    44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

    46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

    This is quoted again in Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.In John 17:5 he says: And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    This is proof that the son is eternal ie he was always the son and he says with the father and not as the father as modalism teaches. In John 14:28 Jesus says he will go to the father. There are many others that teach distinction in the godhead and affirm their oneness in unity.

    The oneness of the godhead is in unity as we see in 1John 5:7-8

    7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
    Subordination in the godhead does not mean that Christ is a lesser God but that he submits to the will of his father as the Holy Spirit does the will of both.Whenever God is referred to as one in old testament the word echad is used which means to unite, to join together, to be in unity.Although it carries the definition of a singular one the old testament writers used another word called yachid which can only mean a singular one.In other words yachid was used when the writer wanted to express one in number and echad if one in unity.When quoting old testament scriptures in the new testament one was tranlated from the word hen which means you guessed it one in unity.In Deutoronomy 6:4 we have Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one(echad) LORD.From Genisis to Revelation God reveals his oneness in unity yet the plurality of persons.If there is only a singular person in the Godhead there would be no need for plural pronouns such as we us our nor would Christ say I go to the father or I will send another comforter.

  13. hubison said

    Another thing Mr. Williams, Pentecost was the day the apostles were baptized with the holy spirit and spoke with tongues of fire as the spirit gave them utterance.(Acts 2:4)And guess what happened to the apostles, they spoke in tongues that were known languages to the unbelieving Jews. See Acts 2:8 if you don’t believe me and notice this was A sign not the sign of the holy spirit.I do have a question for you with regards to tongues and that is how is it that trinitarian Pentecostals and full gospel baptists speak in the same tongues as which is supposed to be the sign of the holy ghost if they are not saved. If tongues is the sign of the holy ghost then how can an unsaved man like us trinitarians have the evidence of the holy spirit.

  14. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Hubison come lately,

    I never said you or anyone else wasn’t saved. That’s not my call to make. I’ve been told I’m going to hell by trinitarians time and time again because I believe the Father was IN the Son just like Jesus said.

    For an in-depth debate where all your “unanswerable” questions were answered by myself and other Monotheists as we handed the trinitarians’ heads to them, check out “OK Oneness liars…..” It contains 717 comments and pretty much every question is answered.

    BTW, 1 John 5:7 has been proven beyond a doubt to be a Catholic forgery. It cannot be found in any Greek manuscript before the 16th century.

  15. Ev. Duane Williams said

    My screen name was “Jesusman” at the time of that debate.

  16. Ev. Duane Williams said

    “Gary Reckhart is an authority on modalist heresy not biblical doctrine so his opinion(and it is just that)is not the issue.”

    Okay then let’s hear what some authorities on trinity doctrine have to say. Click the link and scroll down to read multiple quotes from trinitarian scholars who admit the trinity doctrine is not taught in Scripture.

  17. hubison said

    I looked through the commentary and I Gary Reckhart is better suited for stand up comedy than ministry.Like most oneness heretics he falsely represents what trinitarians believe to validate his modalist heresy.BTW here is some useful information and proof that John 5:7 did not come from the roman catholic church:http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_1jo5_7.html

    As I read through the commentary Gary Reckhart dropped whopper after whopper like the part about our 3 headed god missing a head when Jesus died.Well us Christians rightly believe that it was the body that went to the grave as he in Luke 23:46 commended his spirit to the father.BTW trinitarians don’t believe in a 3 headed god that is a lie from JW’s and modalists.

    The next whopper by Mr. Reckhart is the lie that we believe the holy spirit is a dove based on Matthew 3:16 when we in fact believe the scripture when it says and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.Look at what he wrote then go to the bible for the truth.Like a dove is not the same as being a dove it is merely a comparison like hard as a rock.

    If you scroll down to his third lie he calls Jesus a man while on earth who was not God because God does not need to pray.This is a bold face lie and heresy as the bible declares him a liar in Matthew 1:23 which clearly states that Jesus was also God in human flesh who by the way prayed to the father.I will address more of this foolishness later so this will have to do for now.

  18. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Does God need to pray? Doesn’t that make the God that is praying inferior to the One being prayed to?

  19. Job said

    Ev. Duane Williams:

    Are you a parent? Do you have a kid?

  20. Ev. Duane Williams said

    BTW, the site you link to comes pretty close to saying the KJV translators were inspired like the Apostles. To hear that site tell the story, the Bible was first written in King James English, then translated into Hebrew and Greek.

    While the KJV is the BEST English translation, it is not perfect. “Jehovah” is a good example. “Corn”, which was unknown in the eastern hemisphere until the discovery of America is another.

  21. Job said

    Ev. Duane Williams:

    “BTW, the site you link to comes pretty close to saying the KJV translators were inspired like the Apostles.”

    But they do not say it, right? Good. No translation of the Bible was inspired. I personally prefer the KJV for literary reasons … I am a much bigger fan of the English from that period than the simpler, more vulgar form that predominates today. Some of the newer versions probably do a better job than does the KJV, but they are still in modern English. Perhaps the solution is for Christians to just go ahead and put in the extra effort to obtain basic knowledge of Hebrew and Greek (I hear that it takes about 6 months to accomplish in Greek and about the same in Hebrew/Aramaic) and read interlinear bibles anyway.

  22. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Job,

    Yes, I have two. They don’t pray to me. They have not existed as long as I have. They are not co-equal with me. They are not “one” with each other and with me. When you see them, you do not see me. I do not dwell in them or do their works. One of them is not filled with the other. People do not ask to speak with me in the name of Julius through the power of Macy.

  23. Ev. Duane Williams said

    “Perhaps the solution is for Christians to just go ahead and put in the extra effort to obtain basic knowledge of Hebrew and Greek.”

    AMEN!!!

  24. Job said

    Ev. Duane Williams:

    Now you know full well that the working definition of praying is talking to God. So, when Jesus Christ prayed, it was God the Son talking to God the Father. And does talking to God the Father, asking things of God the Father made God the Son lesser than the Father? No more than talking to or asking things of you make your children less worthy, equal of, or valuable as human beings. Just as your children asking you to purchase them something, to give them assistance, for permission to do something, or for knowledge and wisdom does not diminish their humanity, Jesus Christ doing the same before God the Father does not diminish His Divinity, or make Him lesser than the Father. And incidentally, if you deny that your children or any other human is co – equal with you, then you really do need to meditate on Genesis 1:26 – 27 for awhile. (On a slightly different but still relevant topic, Charles Parham’s Ku Klux Klan used to come up with all sorts of ways to deny Genesis 1:26 – 27 by the way. )

  25. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Okay, they are co-equal. They are not, however, co-powerful if they have to ask me for things. If “God the Son” was co-poerful with God the Father, He could have caused the cup to pass from Him without any help. According to Jesus, “God the Son” hasn’t much power at all because He said “the Father who dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.” He also said “My Father is greater than I.” If they are totally united in will and purpose, and that’s how they are One, why did they have two disagreeing wills at Gesthemane?

  26. Ev. Duane Williams said

    The first two sentences of my last post refer to my children.

  27. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Job, I will assume you didn’t delete my last post for containing irrefutable Scriptural Truth and that it was just a hiccup.

    My children are co-equal with me. However, they are not co-powerful or they wouldn’t have to ask me for anything. According to Jesus, it was the Father dwelling within Him that provided the Power for His mighty works, and that He could do nothing of Himself. Sounds like “God the Son” was quite powerless. If the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are totally united in will and purpose, why did God the Father and “God the Son” have two different wills at Gesthemane?

  28. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Hubison,

    “Well us Christians rightly believe that it was the body that went to the grave as he in Luke 23:46 commended his spirit to the father.”

    I can’t believe I overlooked this the first time. So, you rightly believe that the flesh of Jesus wasn’t God. Good. Do you believe Jesus had a human spirit just as you and I do? If not, He wasn’t truly a man.

  29. Job said

    Ev. Duane Williams:

    “However, they are not co-powerful or they wouldn’t have to ask me for anything.”

    Well, your original question was co – equality, not co – power. But dealing with that without getting into doctrinal details about the precise nature of what Jesus Christ took on upon the Incarnation (another word which does not appear in the Bible by the way), let us just say that scripture makes it clear that Jesus Christ willingly humbled Himself, made Himself submissive to the Father, and took on the role of a servant. That pretty much is the whole point of the Gospel of John, and Isaiah prophesied that Jesus Christ would do precisely that in his “suffering servant songs.” And as to your reference of your group’s favorite verse Colossians 2:9, two things.

    1. How good is your Greek? I am just now getting into learning it. Have you translated Colossians 2:9 from original Greek yourself? Here it is: oti en autw katoikei pan to plhrwma thv qeothtov swmatikwv from http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Colossians+2%3A9&section=0&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&Enter=Perform+Search). An alternate transliteration is o&ti ejn aujtw’/ katoikei’ pa’n to; plhvrwma th’ß qeovthtoß swmatikw’ß, from http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/bible.cgi

    But please note that the NASB renders it as “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.” There are wide varieties of how that passage is rendered in English, see http://bible.cc/colossians/2-9.htm But they all are really is just ways of saying “the incarnated (there goes that word that does not appear in scripture again!) Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man.” Consider the context: the Colossian church was being wracked with Neo – Platonic and Epicurean heresies that resembled early gnosticism. (The epistles of John contended against similar problems). Among the heresies attacking that church was the notion that Jesus Christ was less than fully God or fully man, because Greek pagan thought at the time rejected the notion that spirit and flesh could fully and completely inhabit the same entity (a notion which also explained the heresy that denied a literal resurrection that was moving through the early church which Paul also had to address). Paul wrote Colossians 2:9 to combat the notion that Jesus Christ could not have been both fully God and fully man simultaneously. Thus that same meaning is very clear when using not only the King James Version translation, but also God’s Word Translation (All of God lives in Christ’s body) and such a meaning would be very consistent with the rest of revelation that depicts God the Father speaking from Heaven to and of God the Son that prays to Him, and sending God the Holy Spirit down upon Him to empower Him for His ministry (again, the Gospel of John). Of course, oneness pentecostals would have no problem depicting Colossians 2:9 in its proper context because you do the same with Colossians 1:6 (Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of creation) or else you would regard Jesus Christ not as deity but as a creature just as do Muslims, Mormons, Jews, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and the very Arians whose doctrines were the actual cause of the Nicea council.

    2. Even the oneness interpretation of Colossians 2:9 does no injury to Trinity. Why? Because Trinity is not tri-theism. Tri-theism is three separate gods, which would make Colossians 2:9 impossible. (Really, all the early church had to do to declare the tri-theist movement heretics was refer to that very verse!) But Athanasius explained the difference between tri-theism and Trinity in 298 AD (long before Nicea), and the doctrine had been rejected long before then. But since we are talking about one true God and not three false ones, Jesus Christ is a person of the one God, and the entire Godhead of the one God dwells in the person Jesus Christ bodily, just as the entire Godhead dwells in God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Never forget: Trinitarians do not deny Deuteronomy 3:4 or its implications. Quite the contrary, the Trinity doctrine was constructed with Deuteronomy 3:4 (and Colossians 2:9) very much in mind.

  30. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Job,

    Do you believe Jesus had a real human spirit like you and I? If his human spirit was divine, he wasn’t truly a man but a hybrid God/man.

    I believe God is One self aware being. You believe God is One species.
    My analogy is one man consisting of body, soul, and spirit. Yours is one Homo sapiens species existing in six billion persons.

  31. Job said

    Ev. Duane Williams:

    First off, please take a second look at my reply above, because I made some additions to it after it was initially posted. Now as for

    I can’t believe I overlooked this the first time. So, you rightly believe that the flesh of Jesus wasn’t God. Good. Do you believe Jesus had a human spirit just as you and I do? If not, He wasn’t truly a man. This is what Biblical Trinitarians know.

    Jesus Christ was a human, with human flesh like yours and mine. But His Spirit was not a spirit of man (or spirit man) as yours and mine as described in Ecclesiastes 3:21. Instead, the Spirit in Jesus Christ was (and is!) Strong’s number G3056 as it is listed in John 1:1! (Read Proverbs 8 to get a very strong hint of what I am speaking of, especially verses 22 – 36! http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%208:22-36%20;&version=49;
    )

  32. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that you are right and god exists in three persons. Doesn’t the Bible teach that Jesus was filled with the Holy Ghost?(yes) Didn’t Jesus say the Father dwelled within Him?(yes) Wasn’t Jesus the Son of God?(yes) So if God is a trinity, the Bible clearly teaches that all three persons are within Jesus, or in other words, Colossians 2:9. You could pretty much replace the word “God” with “Jesus” in your little triangle diagrams, couldn’t you?

  33. Ev. Duane Williams said

    If Jesus didn’t have a “spirit man”, He wasn’t a real man.

  34. Job said

    Ev. Duane Williams:

    “If Jesus didn’t have a “spirit man”, He wasn’t a real man.” So say you. I say that having the Word of God as His eternal spirit made Him fully God and fully man. Why do you disagree?

    “Doesn’t the Bible teach that Jesus was filled with the Holy Ghost?(yes)”
    It also says that the Holy Spirit filled Him during His baptism to empower Him for His ministry. It does not say that the Holy Spirit filled Him previously. It only stated that He was The Word previously. ”

    So if God is a trinity, the Bible clearly teaches that all three persons are within Jesus, or in other words, Colossians 2:9.”

    The Bible says that John the Baptist was indwelled with the Holy Spirit from birth. (Unlike Jesus Christ, upon whom the Holy Spirit came upon only at His baptism.) So … was John the Baptist an part of the Holy Trinity? The Bible says that Christians are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Are Christians part of the Holy Trinity?

    “You could pretty much replace the word “God” with “Jesus” in your little triangle diagrams, couldn’t you?”

    Nope, because doing so would mean that God the Son was in Heaven while the Holy Spirit suffered and died on the cross. It would mean that God the Father indwells Christians rather than God the Holy Spirit. It would mean that in Judges, the Son of God empowered Samson, Gideon, Jepthath, etc. Or that in the Old Testament God the Father fell upon the prophets when they prophesied. And it would have meant that when John wrote “No man hath seen God at any time” in 1 John 4:12 he was either lying or denying the deity of Jesus Christ, whom He Himself saw, spoke to, touched, etc. both before and after the resurrection. So, obviously, 1 John 4:12 means GOD THE FATHER. Why? Because the Greek word used there was the same word that Jesus Christ used in John 6:27. Why did I pick John 6:27? “Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.” God the Father in John 6:27 equals God the Father in 1 John 4:12.

    By the way, a better way to answer this question is 1 John 4:13. “Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.” Let us consider your “replace the word God with Jesus” in your little triangle diagrams (which by the way I never use, because attempting to make a representation of God is forbidden by the Ten Commandments and elsewhere in scripture) idea, shall we? “Hereby we know that we dwell in God the Father and the God the Father in us because God the Father hath given us of God the Father.” Doesn’t work, does it? No, Christians dwell in God and God in us because God the Father has given us THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT. Which, incidentally, is what the verse actually says. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

    Both testaments of the Bible explicitly give the role and work of each member of the Triad. The Gospel of John does it the best, but the writings of Paul do a great job as well.

  35. Ev. Duane Williams said

    There you go, you went ahead and used the word “triad”. You have proclaimed yourself a tritheist.

    Is God a self aware being or a united species?

  36. Ev. Duane Williams said

    Didn’t Jesus say the Father dwelled within Him? Didn’t the Holy Spirit dwell within Him? Isn’t He the Son? So Jesus had the entire trinity within Him, no?

  37. D. Hartman said

    “Whatever Charles Parham may have been, he was NOT the founder of Pentecostalism. JESUS CHRIST was. He founded the Pentecostal Church on the Day of Pentecost,…”

    NOT SO…

    The Church and Pentecostalism have nothing to do with each other, any association is mere equivocation. The Church began at Pentecost. Pentecostalism began in 1901. The “Church” has nothing to do with any -ism. There is no Biblical defense for denominationalism, only cultural.

  38. Iacob said

    Can someone tell me something about certain doubts in Parham’s life? Was he a homossexual? Was he a klansman? Was he from free masonry? Because if all doubts above will be true, how can we believe in Pentecostalism? I need documental proofs, not arguments, please!

  39. […] AZUSA – Charles Parham, KKK, Assemblies of God, Rothschild, COGIC, Albert Pike […]

  40. Troy Cunningham said

    I don’t really care whether Charles Parham was real or not. It really don’t matter. There were several spontanious outpourings of the Holy Ghost Baptisms even before 1900. The Church of God claims that the Holy Ghost was poured out in the Appalachian Mountains before they ever knew what was going on in Topeka, KS or at Azuza Street. Were they all Masons or Klansmen? Were they occultists? This is rediculous. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God. This truth is overlooked by those Baptists that think you’ve always got to speak in order for others to understand. By the way, I am not a Oneness, but a very conservative, KJV only, separated unto holiness living, Pentecostal. How many Baptists to this day are Freemasons? How many Methodists are Masons? I think it’s clear that the pot is calling the kettle black here folks. No, I do not condone secret societies of any kind. I believe they are wrong and most of them Satanic, but there are bad apples in every religious movement. John Calvin was an unrepentant murderer who died and went to HELL. He had Michael Servetus burned alive at the stake just because he didn’t believe in the trinity. Do you think that it is Christ-like to roast the Jehovah Witnesses or the Oneness Pentecostals just because you disagree with their doctrine? Yet most Baptists believe some form of Calvanism. You are HYPOCRITS!

    • Colleen said

      Would like to hear more of your comments. Some may think such comments are being wrongfully judgmental of religious denominations but personally I believe that the breakdown of True Biblical Belief into ?RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS? is actually the work of Satan, to cause division in belief in God and the creation of doctrins and diversions of Mankind. I had recently started to look up information on the Freemasons and know what you speak of of some of the denominations is true, Ive actually experienced that conflict as did my mother before me when I attended churches in the l950s, 60s. So text me RLGraphicsRCM@Netscape.net and lets chat this out.

  41. The Prodigal Son said

    The KKK wore the hoods for a reason !

    … “We came across a horsehide – covered trunk which looked promising. Opening it we found father’s Confederate uniform.

    Digging deeper into the trunk, we pulled out a white hood and a long robe witha crimson cross on it’s breast – the regalia of a knight of the Klu Klux Klan. (…)

    To my brother and me, the thought that father was a member of that band exalted him in our youthful eyes.”

    – Bernard M. Baruch, pg. 32, ‘Baruch : My Own Story’ (ca. 1957)

    To see just WHO Baruch was, please see :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Baruch

  42. The Prodigal Son said

    Here’s a couple more clues on the true origins of Freemasonry and the KKK…

    HERE : http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zoA-ZomYOKQ/R0vn1oP_h_I/AAAAAAAABAA/9JtRg4XrhFA/s400/masonicG2PUB.jpghttp://3.

  43. The Prodigal Son said

    … and HERE :

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1246443798588

    Isael sure seems like a strange place to go for a leader of the KKK, who supposedly hates ‘Jews’ !

    I wonder HOW he managed to enter the country at all ?

    I wonder if they utilize the same Israeli Security company who handled security for ALL the 9/11 airports… at the airport in Israel too !

  44. The Prodigal Son said

    The link is not working…

    Just Google under IMAGES : ‘masonic star of david’… to see what symbol the Judaized Masons used before they changed it to the more cryptic ‘Square and Compass’, which means the same… symbolizing the Luciferian edict : ‘As above – so below.’

    Apologies !

  45. Vickey Silvers said

    I am an editor for Christian.com which is a social network dedicated to the christian community. As I look through your web site I feel a collaboration is at hand. I would be inclined to acknowledge your website offering it to our users as I’m sure our Pentecostal audience would benefit from what your site has to offer. I look forward to your thoughts or questions regarding the matter.

    Vicky Silvers
    vicky.silvers@gmail.com

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