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How Did Jesus Perform Miracles?

Posted by Job on May 30, 2008

From Sharper Iron.

How Did Jesus Perform Miracles?

by Doug Kutilek at 1:00 am May 28, 2008. 170 views. Filed under: Theology, Christology, Pneumatology (Holy Spirit) 

Note: This article is reprinted with permission from As I See It, a monthly electronic magazine compiled and edited by Doug Kutilek. AISI is sent free to all who request it by writing to the editor at Jesus did perform a multitude of bona fide, undeniable, nature-superceding miracles is the clear and consistent testimony of the New Testament, most commonly noted in the Gospels and Acts. (For a convenient but not quite complete list of Gospel references to Jesus’ miracles, see A. T. Robertson, A Harmony of the Gospels, p. 294.) One question requiring attention is, “How did Jesus perform these miracles? In His own divine power, or by some other means?”

One crucial theological aspect of Christ’s incarnation was His “self-emptying” as described by Paul in Philippians 2:6-7.

Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. (NASB)

It is the uniform view of orthodox Christianity that this “emptying” involved the voluntary surrender of the independent exercise of His inherent divine powers, the voluntary surrender of His divine will to that of the Father, and the voluntary complete veiling or concealment of the visible or outward manifestation of His divine glory, but not the loss in any manner of any of His divine attributes or essences as God. God can never be or become less than God. Explaining the dynamics of this self-emptying and the permanent assumption by the second Person of the Trinity of genuine and complete humanity is another matter altogether and is largely an unfathomable mystery.

On the specific relationship between Jesus’ voluntary non-use of His divine powers and how He was nevertheless able to perform miracles, some New Testament texts are particularly pertinent. John 5:19, 30a says,

Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing, for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. . . . I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent me.” (NASB)

It theoretically could have been the Father’s will for the Son to perform miracles in His own divine power, but apparently it was not, thereby maintaining the self-imposed limitations of His humanity. Rather, He performed miracles in precisely the same way other men performed miracles—through the power of the Holy Spirit. And it is notable that the kinds of miracle performed by Jesus—healings, superhuman knowledge, even resurrections of the dead (though not self-resurrection, which one earthly miracle of Jesus was, I believe, performed in His own divine power, the “emptying” having ended at the point of His death on the cross, at which point the exaltation, with the end of His emptying, began—Philippians 2:8-9)— were performed by the apostles and others.

That the power enabling the miracles of Jesus was the Holy Spirit and not His own Deity is evident from two passages in the Gospels. Luke 4:14 says that Jesus, after the temptation, “returned in the power of the Spirit” (and be it noted that John informs us that the Father gave to the Son the Spirit without limitation, John 3:34). What the phrase “power of the Spirit” entails is illuminated for us in Matthew 12:28, where Jesus said, “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God,” as indeed He did. Jesus, then, performed this specific miracle—demon expulsion—by the power of the Holy Spirit.

It is a legitimate extrapolation to conclude that what was true of this miracle was true of all of His miracles: He performed the miracles in the same way that the apostles and other New Testament-era Christians did—by the empowerment of the Holy Spirit (see Heb. 2:3-4; 1 Cor. 12:7-11). His voluntary self-subordination to the Father was in no way violated by His profuse performance of miracles since these were done in the Holy Spirit’s power in submission to the will of the Father as testimony that He was indeed the promised Messiah as Jesus Himself affirmed (John 5:36) and as not a few individuals in the Gospels readily recognized: Nicodemus (John 3:2); some in the crowds in Jerusalem (John 7:31); the man born blind (John 9:30-33); and others as well.

Doug Kutilek is editor of, a website dedicated to exposing and refuting the many errors of KJVOism, and has been researching and writing about Bible texts and versions for more than 35 years. He has a B.A. in Bible from Baptist Bible College (Springfield, MO), an M.A. in Hebrew Bible from Hebrew Union College (Cincinnati), and a Th.M. in Bible exposition from Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Plymouth, MN). A professor in several Bible institutes, college, graduate schools, and seminaries, he edits a monthly cyber-journal, As I See It. The father of four grown children and four granddaughters, he and his wife, Naomi, live near Wichita, Kansas.


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Posted by Job on May 30, 2008

I want to make two things clear. 

1. I oppose illegal immigration. Why? Because it is illegal. Now if it weren’t illegal, I would still be no great fan of it, but I would not pay much attention to it because of more pressing matters i.e. abortion genocide and false Christian preachers, both of which by the way are perfectly legal. As it is, government and big business colluding to aid and abet wide scale criminality for their mutual benefit but to the detriment of citizens, workers, and consumers illustrates that the notion of “rule of law” does not exist in this country. Instead, this nation is being ruled by bandits, thugs, and criminals in three piece suits from Wall Street to Capitol Hill to the White House. 

2. After leaving behind the “Left Behind” Cyrus Scofield Roman Catholic Jesuit rapture cult, I was forced to acknowledge that the doctrine of the imminent return of Jesus Christ must be interpreted in an eschatological sense rather than a temporal one – and such would have to be the case or else the last few verses of Revelation would have been demonstrated to be false like 1900 years ago – and as a result the great tribulation could just as easily come 500 years from now as tomorrow. I have to tell you … knowing to interpret Revelation in an eschatological – while still fully literal! – sense would have saved me a lot of hours watching John Hagee during his “Jerusalem Countdown” period a few years back, and it would have also saved a lot of Christians from being taken in by things like “recently discovered Bible codes prove that Jesus Christ will return in the year 2000!” hysteria. Look, Christians have to be honest enough to acknowledge that according to the very same method of Bible interpretation methods used by the “Left Behind” crowd, the rapture should have occurred at or around 70 AD. 

With those two lengthy qualifying statements out of the way, the article Operation Return to Sender on the techniques used to find and deport illegal immigrants by the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement ought to really get Christians to thinking. First, you have ICE inflicting “detailing stomach-turning—and sometimes deadly—mistreatment in immigrant detention centers.” Second, “Operation Return to Sender” targets immigrants that the courts have already told to leave the country. Problem ? The government freely acknowledges “about half of the information in ICE’s “Deportable Alien Control System”—a database of immigrants to be deported—is incorrect or incomplete.” (It makes me wonder if Jeb Bush’s faulty list of people ineligible to vote because of felony convictions – a list compiled by a corporation – during the election 2000 recount fiasco was nothing but a trial run). 

Still more. “… enforcement teams carry out large-scale sweeps, raiding homes in neighborhoods with a lot of immigrants just after sunrise. Without an accurate list of which homes actually harbor undocumented immigrants, agents often rely on race to figure out who’s here legally and who isn’t. For example, in Fair Haven, Conn., several residents reported that during a raid last summer, ICE officers went door to door asking how many people were inside each house—and what race they were. In an ICE operation in Willmar, Minn., Latino residents were handcuffed and interrogated while white residents, some even in the same home, went unquestioned.” NEOCONSERVATIVES who support racial profiling have no problem with this? Fine. But in great tribulation year 5 when they will be going house to house looking for Christians instead of Mexicans, let us see how many of you will still be neoconservative. (Yes, my going from Bush Republican to basically libertarian did coincide with my leaving the rapture cult.) I should point out that going house to house looking for all the Christians to arrest has already happened to Christians in various nations at various times throughout history. After all, how do you think that governments in China, North Korea, and in various Muslim nations locate and break up these cells of illegal Christian house churches? Go to or to see what I am talking about. But so long as it is not happening IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW makes this tactic OK, right? 

It gets better. “By ICE’s own admission, the bureau has mistakenly detained, arrested, and even deported not only legal immigrants but also U.S. citizens. Those caught up in recent home raids include Adriana Aguilar, a citizen living in East Hampton, N.Y., who was sound asleep with her 4-year-old son when ICE officers stormed into her bedroom, pulled the covers off the bed, and shined flashlights into her face before interrogating her. In San Rafael, Calif., ICE detained 6-year-old Kebin Reyes, a citizen from birth, holding him in a locked office for 12 hours after immigration agents, pretending to be police, stormed into the apartment he shared with his father and forcibly removed him from his home.” I can see the government deciding that it is best to take children from Christian parents in operations like this, can’t you? First, consider the Mormon raid in Texas, which I threw up a post endorsing, now ruled illegal. Second, consider that being a “fundamentalist” Christian is now a factor in divorce proceedings used to determine who gets primary or sole custody of children. 

This is the best part. “The government’s guidelines for immigration enforcement prohibit these kinds of abuses. Why aren’t they being enforced? Theories abound. ICE attorneys have suggested that because most of the rules governing officer conduct were instituted before the Department of Homeland Security took over immigration enforcement, they don’t apply to ICE at all. Another explanation is that in the wake of Sept. 11, stepped-up immigration enforcement may have taken priority over careful procedures.” So, once Christians are declared to be clear and present dangers due to our divisive, dangerous, and extremist rhetoric on the Bible being infallible and the final authority and Jesus Christ being the only way to heaven (please note that evangelical favorite George W. Bush has openly rejected both, while Billy Graham openly denied the first decades ago by embracing Roman Catholicism and the original edition of “The Living Bible” that contained purposeful blatant alterations, and later denied the second as well) and the eternal lake of fire awaits all who reject either, the tactics that are now being used against Muslims and illegal immigrants will be used against Christians. “Waterboarding” and “Rendition” to Christians? Why not?

The big payoff! “Twenty-five years ago, in the case of INS v. Lopez-Mendoza, the Supreme Court declined to extend the Fourth Amendment’s guarantees to immigration proceedings. But Justice Sandra Day O’Connor recognized that if in the future there were “good reason to believe” that constitutional violations in immigration enforcement were “widespread,” the way judges handled these cases would have to change.” Vatican stooge (and illegal immigration supporter) Ronald Reagan put Sandra Day O’Connor on the Supreme Court, which is all you need to know. And how many of Reagan’s policies contributed to the problems that we have in the Middle East right now? Or didn’t you know that the Reagan administration considered Saddam Hussein an ally, providing his regime with training, weapons, and money? It certainly looks like with respect to the war on terror and illegal immigration, the government created these problems only to later claim to need draconian measures to solve them. 

Speaking of the aforementioned Florida 2000, the combination of illegal immigration, the war on terror,  the need to combat voter fraud, the need to track sex offenders, and the need to battle identity theft will result in calls for a system of electronic identification and monitoring in the near future. Will that mean that the great tribulation is upon us? No. The scenarios described in Revelation do not only apply to America, but to the entire world. Some have limited it somewhat by stating that such things as being unable to buy or sell will only apply to the portion of the world that matters in Bible prophecy and the Bible in general. Now I should point out that many other nations of the world are fully onto this agenda. The National Review claims that France has enacted stronger measures in the war on terror that America has … that they will deport a Muslim preacher for delivering a sermon that offends the government in a heartbeat. (And knowing France’s feelings towards Biblical Christians, Christians are supposed to support this WHY?) Many in Europe are also joining the anti – immigrant chorus as well. While I am very sympathetic to these people’s concerns, it bears asking why the governments that comprised the EU decided to A) promote policies that they KNEW would result in extremely low birthrates among the native population while B) having open immigration policies in the first place other than to create chaos that people would support repressive government policies to control. Please recognize that the only reason why the VERY NATIONALISTIC Europeans consented to economic integration – and the political integration that goes with it – was because the member nations had spent decades purposefully wrecking their economies. And of course, once the EU was formed, pretty much the same group of folks that had spent the last few decades wrecking economies all of a sudden returned to sound economic policy resulting in fast economic growth, making Frenchmen who wold have been aghast at being linked with Italians, Spaniards, Germans, and – gasp! – EASTERN EUROPEANS think that giving up their sovereignty, traditions, and cultures is a grand idea. How long before universal healthcare, jobs programs, endless wars, and global warming economic regulations, and $5 a gallon gas (thanks ANWR!) makes our own economy so bad that a North American Union with Mexico and Canada starts looking like a great idea? By the way … Mexico has a ton of oil that its government won’t allow anyone access to …

Actually, that last scenario is a contradiction in my endtimes scenario: if we adopt the North American Union and open the Mexican and Canadian borders, that would lessen the rationale for national ID cards by negating the illegal immigration issue. Then again, if the North American Union is ever formed, the government will have so much power that it will be able to autocratically mandate such IDs – and share the information from it with the EU and any similar body of African, Asian, and Latin American nations – and there won’t be anything that anyone will be able to do about it. 

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Attention Christian Missionaries: New People Group Discovered In Amazon!

Posted by Job on May 30, 2008

RIO DE JANEIRO – Amazon Indians from one of the world’s last uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the air, with striking images released on Thursday showing them painted bright red and brandishing bows and arrows. The photographs of the tribe near the border between Brazil and Peru are rare evidence that such groups exist. A Brazilian official involved in the expedition said many of them are in increasing danger from illegal logging.

“What is happening in this region is a monumental crime against the natural world (please note animist earth worship mentality here, or perhaps eastern Gaia worship), the tribes, the fauna and is further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the ‘civilized’ ones, treat the world,” Jose Carlos Meirelles was quoted as saying in a statement by the Survival International group (not saying that I AGREE with destroying the environment incidentally; an excellent CHRISTIAN argument can be made against it, especially when the motive is GREED for money and power).

One of the pictures, which can be seen on Survival International’s Web site (, shows two Indian men covered in bright red pigment poised to fire arrows at the aircraft while another Indian looks on. Another photo shows about 15 Indians near thatched huts, some of them also preparing to fire arrows at the aircraft.

“The world needs to wake up to this, and ensure that their territory is protected in accordance with international law. Otherwise, they will soon be made extinct,” said Stephen Corry, the director of Survival International, which supports tribal people around the world. Of more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, more than half live in either Brazil or Peru, Survival International says. It says all are in grave danger of being forced off their land, killed and ravaged by new diseases.

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Todd Bentley: God Told Me To Physically Batter And Assault Women During Services

Posted by Job on May 29, 2008

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Occult Spiritist Todd Bentley Claims Abraham Co – Wrote Book Of Hebrews!

Posted by Job on May 29, 2008

Though I have moved away from his charismatic beliefs, I still greatly appreciate the work of Christian fiction writer Frank Peretti. In his first novel, This Present Darkness, the main protagonist was this “professor of parapsychology” Juleen Langstrat, who was actually using her college professorship to indoctrinate and recruit her students into her spiritist occult. According to the novel, part of Langstrat’s belief system was that of “ascended masters” that people can communicate with either directly or through mediums in seances. Of course, the “ascended masters” that they were communicating with were actual evil spirits that deceived – as evil spirits certainly tend to do – the spiritists into THINKING that they were the spirits of famous people from the past. 

So now we have from the very appropriately named Church Warnings by way of Endtimes Prophetic Words:

A vision from Todd Bentley during a third heaven experience

In it, the Type A heretic occultist Bentley says this:

“…. I actually saw the apostle Paul come walking toward me onto the bridge. …He was short, not more than 5′1″ or 5′2″. He was bald except for a little crown of hair that came around his head. Looking very Jewish with a short, trimmed, white beard, my first thought was of a monk in a monastery! He actually had jolly cheeks and I thought: Paul you’ve got a little weight on you! I mean he wasn’t fat but he looked a little pudgy! He sat next to me and he took his hand and placed it across my chest not saying anything. But I felt like I was receiving an apostolic blessing from a father…. While he touched my chest, Abraham and David appeared out of the cloud of witnesses (Heb. 12:1). Although they were very close (and yet somehow at a distance), they weren’t the main focus. They were simply there as witnesses to an encounter. Next, Paul spoke to me without words spirit to spirit. I never heard one word but I had instant knowledge of what he was saying. He said that David and Abraham are true fathers—”These are the apostolic fathers”—and I thought to myself: Why Abraham and David? He answered me by saying that there would be no gospel without Abraham. People forget that without Abraham there would be no Israel, or Jewish people (Ps. 105:6–11; Gen. 15:1–5, 18–21; Gen. 17).

Just so you know too, Abraham was taller than David and Paul, about 6′5″. He was a very big rugged looking man, very big boned, large hands, having a long black beard and hair. In fact he looked quite East Indian or Pakistani (in skin color); not like an African man (in blackness), but closer to an East Indian man. He actually didn’t look Jewish at all!

Now David’s appearance was much different from Abraham’s. Having seen Jesus before, I noticed that David’s features were similar to Jesus, the Son of David. Both Jesus’ hair and David’s hair were alike—long brown reddish locks that hung to their shoulders. David’s eyes were blue and he wore a purple royal robe but when he lifted his arm, inside his robe I saw the color blue; it was very kingly. He was very handsome with a short beard and he was really well kept.

As I just stated, Paul told me that essentially there would be no gospel and there would be no Israel without Abraham. He said too, that there would be no gospel without David because there would be no divine Son of David (Jesus Christ) in order for the kingdom and His throne to be built upon the throne of David (Luke 1:31, 32). Jesus came through the lineage of David and with Jesus’ coming, the gospel was released.Paul also said that—in the sense of the revelation of the gospel to the Gentiles—he was the greatest carrier of that revelation to them. He took what Jesus brought and made it available to the rest of the world, and the global evangelism that’s taking place today comes as a result of the revelation of the gospel by the apostle Paul.

I discovered while conversing with Paul that it wasn’t only Jesus Christ who taught him in heaven. I say this because Paul told me: “Abraham taught me, in heaven, and that’s how and why I wrote the book of Hebrews. What I heard was from the lips of Abraham himself.”

I know I’m stepping out on theology now; however, I want you to understand that Paul always made it clear when he authored an epistle—”Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ” or “Paul, a bond-servant of Christ.” Always! Yet, for the Book of Hebrews, although most Bible scholars believe that it was authored by Paul, there are those that really can’t say it was him because the authorship is never clear. Paul told me why. Here is what he said to me. “Do you know why I know so much about Abraham?” [So much of Hebrews is based on other things that you just can’t pull from in other scriptures.] He said, “Abraham himself shared (information) with me and I simply wrote it” (in the Book of Hebrews). “The authorship isn’t clear because it was Abraham and I; Abraham shared with me.” [Much of Hebrews is about Abraham; i.e. Hebrews Chapter 11.] Paul said, “When I was in the third heaven, Abraham was with me like you are with me now.”

Next, I was at Paul’s house and he said to eat the Book of Titus! What’s more, several days later I was taken back into heaven to Paul’s house! But this time I didn’t go inside. I stayed outside where I saw a ladder in his back yard like the one described in Genesis 28, Jacob’s ladder. [I’ve come to understand that there are ladders like that in heaven in order to ascend and descend into different realms because heaven has places, geographical places. For example, the first heaven is where we live on the earth; the second heaven is the invisible realm of Ephesians 6: 12; and the third heaven where I was with Paul, it’s the Paradise of God (Rev. 2:7).] So I jumped onto the ladder and began to climb up into another realm. I saw around me that it was all clouds so I began to pull those clouds back. As I did, a hole opened up in the heavens. Immediately then, out of heaven, flowed the color green, not just a light; it was like a green liquid and it was pouring onto my eyes! When I asked God about this, He said, “You are coming into the throne room; you are beneath the sea of glass; there is a rainbow around the throne. It’s not just above the throne; it’s a circle around the throne, a rainbow, emerald, green in color.” [“And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald” (Rev. 4:3).] I had just climbed into the fourth realm of heaven which is the throne room, (with more realms to follow). I went up from the throne room into the fifth realm which is the heavenly city. I saw streets that are golden and mansions and I noticed that it was very different from the Paradise of God (third heaven) where there are hills, still waters, and flowers. It wasn’t as peaceful. Next came the sixth realm of heaven which is the place where the angels live. There is literally a realm reserved for Michael, Gabriel, all the arch angels and all the angels under the arch angels! This isn’t the second heaven, the angel and demon realm, where they battle. It’s just a realm where the angels dwell. Then the last heaven I saw, the seventh realm was other universes and the solar systems; undiscovered universes and planets that God has created.”

Apparently, evil like this that exposes Bentley for what he is has become, er, inconvenient. So now, according to The Florida Outpouring: Revival In Lakeland ’08 (a blog dedicated totally to the event by a Lakeland resident) Bentley is removing the more clearly heretical statements of his from his website. The amazing thing is that people who believe in, support, and follow this fellow have not only read his evil, but watch him spout it on God.TV and on the Internet. But please know, people, that the encounters that Bentley claims to have are far more similar to those described by Mormonism’s Joseph Smith and Islam’s Mohammed than they do any encounter depicted in the Bible. 

That so many people are willing to follow one such as this despite is massive doctrinal errors, it vindicates the opinion of BlackReformingKid on Pentecostalism: that they are very willing to reject sola scriptura and sound doctrine in favor of signs and wonders.

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Todd Bentley Occult Revivals In Florida Gaining National Mainstream Media Attention

Posted by Job on May 29, 2008

“Holy Spirit fall! God is here! We want more! More, more, more!” That’s what Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley yells out nearly every evening to the thousands who gather to hear him preach. (Reminds me of how during the Azusa Street revivals, people used to yell and scream at and demand God to give them the baptism of the Holy Spirit so that they could speak in tongues. Pardon me, but the Bible says that God is our sovereign Lord and as such we are supposed to approach the Lord with fear and trembling and make requests of Him, not demands.)

Not everyone is comfortable with this expression of Christianity, including some Protestant theologians. R. Douglas Geivett, a professor at the CONSERVATIVE, evangelical Talbot School of Theology, is deeply skeptical of the “Florida outpouring” and does not believe Bentley’s claims of supernatural healing are consistent with Christian doctrine. “I don’t think it fits neatly into any branch of Christianity,” said Geivett. “Mr. Bentley’s worldview appears to be a mixture of New Age notions, an obsession with the paranormal, and an untutored grasp of Christian theology.” (What has the world come to that not wanting your Christianity mixed with New Age and paranormal mysticism makes you CONSERVATIVE? The spirit of anti – Christ is very much on the march, people!)

Still, what seems to be drawing all these people of varying ages, ethnicities, and classes is a clear hunger for what Bentley’s meetings are offering: the hope of healing and some sort of touch from God. (And not the message of Jesus Christ crucified, or of being a servant. It is all about what God can do for you. Remember when Jesus Christ got angry at the people when they kept demanding that He perform signs and miracles on demand? “Just work one more sign and wonder, Jesus of Nazareth, and THEN we will believe that you are the Messiah. Forget about all of the other miracles that you have been doing for all of these months, things that if they were written down there would not be enough books in the world to contain them. Why? Because you did those miracles according to your own desire and initiative. We only want a Messiah that will obey US and do what WE want Him to do!” People, this is why Corinthians says that sign gifts are for the unbelieving and not for the believers. Believers are fully confident that God exists, they know that God regularly and continuously makes Himself known to all people through creation and general revelation, and that they can encounter God – they touch God and God touches them – through regular reading of the Bible, and in praise, worship, devotion, and service to God. Faith is the substance of things not seen, because if you could plainly see – or feel! – it, then you wouldn’t need faith. And if you had true faith, such mighty impressive things would be of no consequence, because you would reason with the mind that God gave you that if God sent His own Son to save the elect, then healing someone or causing someone to speak in unknown tongues is actually a small work that pales by comparison. These folks want to see – and feel – things that impress their flesh because they doubt the true nature of the miracle of the Incarnation – the God that exists outside of creation that heavens cannot contain existing in a specific place and time as a man – and since they doubt it they cannot fathom it. This is not to speak against miracles – for I have certainly experienced more than a few in my short life! – but for people who have actual faith, A. they do not have a “car accident rubbernecking” fascination with or desire to chase after miracles and B. the focus of their faith is not miracles, dreams, visions, etc. but Jesus Christ as revealed through the Bible. For the faithful, miracles STRENGTHEN their conviction to follow Biblical Christianity. For the FAITHLESS, however, they will abandon Biblical Christianity in a heartbeat to follow anyone who works a miracle.)

In many instances, Bentley places his hands on someone’s head or area of infirmity and cries out for the power of God to descend. In response, some people may stand and physically tremble, while others may literally fall down to the ground in what they call “falling under the power” of the Holy Spirit. (And cries out for the power of God to descend? Is this supposed to be analogous to Elijah praying to God to send down fire in 1 Kings 18:1-46? Jesus Christ would heal people simply by spoken command, and His disciples and apostles did so also with the spoken command in the Name of Jesus Christ. Scripture does not record anyone that Jesus Christ or His servants healing then falling down under the power of the Holy Spirit. If that would have happened to anyone, it would have been the very frail woman who touched the hem of Christ’s garment. Of course, had she done so, Jesus Christ would not have had to ask “who touched me”, for it would have been obvious … the woman “slain in the spirit”, prostrated on the floor rolling like a log while laughing and barking like a dog! And as for the power of God to descend … under the new covenant we have the power of God within us … the indwelling Holy Spirit which empowers us to work miracles such as healing, prophesying and interpretation, tongues, etc. For Christians, the power of God comes not down from above at special occasions – i.e. at our command – but resides within us continually. The old covenant was a forerunner of things to come, the new covenant replaced the old and is a superior one based on better promises.)

Bentley’s associates say that this is not a painful experience, but rather one of being physically overcome by the loving presence of God. Anticipating these sorts of responses, one of Bentley’s staff members stands behind each individual to serve as a “catcher” to gently guide the person down to the floor. Skeptics claim this “falling” can be the result of being overcome with emotion or a learned behavior. (Or other skeptics, like me, have legitimate questions as to whether this enterprise is demonic, and I base this on how this does not conform to how Christians are depicted in the Bible, nor does it conform to my own personal experience of healing and spiritual deliverance.)

Erik Thoennes, also a professor from the Talbot School of Theology, offers a more accepting, though still cautious stance, than his colleague Geivett. Thoennes believes many Christians today are open to the idea that God might move in miraculous ways, even if they don’t embrace movements like Bentley’s. (This is the anti – Christ media attempting to pit Thoennes against Geivett. Geivett never spoke against healings, HE ONLY SPOKE AGAINST a mixture of New Age notions, an obsession with the paranormal, and an untutored grasp of Christian theology. In other words, Geivett did not say that God does not heal people, he only spoke against BENTLEY. Thoennes and Geivett actually have basically the same position, and it is one that I share. And I am not even an “evangelical” like them. Geivett, Thoennes, and myself have no problem with signs and wonders happening by people whose practice, doctrines, and actions conform to scripture. It is people like us that the charismania advocates accuse of “putting God in a box” and “trying to limit God.” It is not God that we are trying to limit, but rather it is false doctrines and practices that we are opposing.)

It is curious that MSNBC is being much more tolerant of this healing revival than it is of people who state unequivocally that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and that the Bible is infallible and the final authority in all matters. Claims to be able to heal people – a claim that is present in many religions by the way … in addition to the various Hindu, animist, spiritist, witch doctor, etc. healers see this “John of God” fellow who claims to be possessed by King Solomon, and yes he had a healing revival in America recently – truthfully offends no one. But proclaiming the uniqueness of Jesus Christ, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the sovereignty of God gets one called a dangerous fanatic with extremist divisive beliefs. (And that, mind you, is what many professed Christians will call you!)

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Why Is Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Angry?

Posted by Job on May 29, 2008

Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship – the home of the liars and perjurers including John Arnott and Steve Long – are upset for being exposed for what they truly are sons of disobedience and sons of hell  and are taking at least one former member to court contrary to scriptures to protest about his books which are too hot for them to handle!

 They are also upset because this former member has asked  “So for the good of all Canadians and the rule of law, the Honorable Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, through the different Canadian Government agencies, should order an immediate investigation of this nonprofit charity Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and ensure that it’s nonprofit corporation status be revoked especially as the executives of TACF have used the charity to pay off their mortgages and purchase luxury cars tax free. See and

 They are also upset because this former member has asked the government authorities to investigate why it is okay for TACF Vice President Steve Long to publically solicit by mail for tax free funds to pay off TACF President John Arnott mortgage but  not publically solicit by mail to pay for this former member mortgage as well as all his legal costs as a result of TACF nonprofit charity suing this former member because he blew the whistle on their crimes, thievery, hypocrisy, lies, perjury, sins, etc.

 It’s also amazing that we have operating freely in Toronto Canada,  liars, perjurers and thieves in Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship including John Arnott and Steve Long with impunity or without rebuke from anybody about their financial crimes, their hate crimes, lies and perjury!

But it’s not amazing that these scoundrels, liars, and perjurers would not submit  as per “The order of Justice James H. Clarke of  January 15, 2008” which stated “ THIS COURT ORDERS THAT the Defendants shall serve on the Plaintiff by email and file their Statement of Defense within ten days,”  a Statement of Defense to this former member regarding his $100 million dollar Lawsuit Court File No: 6447/07 filed in Milton, Ontario, with the Superior Court of Ontario and now revised to $ 300 million.

 And if this Christian nonprofit charity TACF and its executives John Arnott and Steve Long can defy and ignore the order of  Justice James H. Clarke and do whatever they want so can every other Canadian.  Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship sets by its example that any Christian can be lawless, liars, thieves, and perjurers and not respect the rule of law!

 So read

 Liars and Perjurers in Revival

Not Innocent”

Betrayal by Supergods


 Also check out 

Todd Bentley

Third Wave Exposed

The False Prophets” Oral and Richard Roberts

“The Fleecer” Rodney Howard Browne

“The Charlatan” Karl Strader

The Losers Randy and Paul White

Down in Flames

The liar and thief Benny Hinn

“The felon” Jim Bakker

 “The Bishop”

Evangelical Council of Financial Accountability

 “The Thieving CEO” Billy Graham

The Pentecostal God Fraud

Why is Pentecostalism a danger for Christianity?


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John Wesley: The Original Billy Graham In Uniting Evangelicals And Roman Catholics

Posted by Job on May 28, 2008

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A Catechism From Slavery

Posted by Job on May 28, 2008




“Paul had gathered a bundle of brushwood and was putting it on the fire, when a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand. When the natives saw the creature hanging from his hand, they said to one another, “This man must be a murderer; though he has escaped from the sea, justice has not allowed him to live.”He, however, shook off the creature into the fire and suffered no harm.” (Acts 28:3-5)



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart,
just as you would obey Christ. (Eph. 6:5)



“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord.” (Col. 3:22) “Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back…” (Ti. 2:9)





God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good. (Gen. 1:25)



By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. (Gen. 2:2-3)





“Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, obedient to his spoken word.” (Ps. 103:20)



“For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies, not doing any work. (2 Thess. 3:10-11)



The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. (Gen. 3:15)









“Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? (Acts 5:3)



Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. (Luke 22:3)



*The Negro American: A Documentary History, copyright 1967

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Todd Bentley: The New Simon Magus (Simon The Magician From Acts)

Posted by Job on May 28, 2008

Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire Ministries Research Page
Compiled by Bud Press, Director Christian Research Service

This page contains selected articles, information, and news releases specific to Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire Ministries, and will be updated as new information is made available. Please address your comments and questions to Bud Press at .

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Christians More Proof That The Evangelical Mormon Dialogues Are Just Compromising The Truth With Heretics!

Posted by Job on May 28, 2008

From Christian Research Service:

The Evangelical/Mormon Dialogue? Research Page 


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Ron Luce of BattleCry: Supporting Ministry of Word of Faith Jezebel Heretics Marilyn And Sarah Hickey!

Posted by Job on May 28, 2008

I used to love watching Ron Luce’s events such as “Acquire The Fire” and “BattleCry” on Christian broadcasting and generally supported their efforts: see New York Times Portrays Teenage Christians As Hatemongers. Then, I found out that Luce was among those endorsing syncretized Christianity via New Age contemplative spirituality: BattleCry’s Ron Luce Gets In On The Contemplative Prayer Scam. So, here we had another example of Christians taking what is supposed to be a bold – even coercive and militaristic – stand in secular areas like politics and culture while compromising attacks on the faith itself. For example: not long ago one of Luce’s TV shows celebrated their victory over a chain of mall gift shops selling pornographic Christmas tree ornaments. You might be interested in knowing how this victory took place. Was it converting the owner of the gift shop chain into Christianity? No. Was it converting so many customers of this gift shop chain into Christianity that selling such things would be commercially viable? No. Instead, they employed the same tactics that atheists, gay rights groups, pro – abortion people, and New Age (there’s that world again!) environmentalist Gaia mother earth worshipers use: protests, picket signs, media pressure, etc. In other words, it as Christians imposing their social, political, and cultural beliefs – not the gospel mind you but only secular beliefs! – on people that reject Jesus Christ knowing full well that a person can have those beliefs, not have Jesus Christ, and still burn for an eternity in the lake of fire. And it was not even any sort of conviction or shame over sin and blasphemy that forced this fellow to change. Instead, they used GREED as an inducement. This fellow did not stop selling pornographic Christmas tree ornaments because the Ron Luce kids caused him fear the God of Heaven. Instead, the Ron Luce kids manipulated his fear of the god of THIS WORLD to force him to change his behavior. These “Christians” used MAMMON, more specifically the fear of losing money and power, to get this fellow to do what they wanted him to do! Seriously, how different is that from witchcraft, the occult, black magic, white magic, roots, or voodoo? Well, if you give up Jesus Christ’s spiritual mission for earthly gains and glory, such a thing is inevitably going to happen, because if you obey Jesus Christ, you can reach the world in a spiritual manner by the Holy Spirit. But if you go off and do things that Jesus Christ never told you to do, you reach the world through its flesh by the flesh. 

So, it is no surprise that so many of these religious right “taking back the culture” dominionists have gotten quite comfortable with incorporating so many worldly techniques, even things from other religions, into not only their political practice but religious doctrines and practices. Using slain in the spirit false charismatic techniques so that you can do a better job of brainwashing and manipulating young children than does the anti – Christ public schools? Why not? It is beating the enemy at his own game right? See: Jesus Camp: Bewitching Our Children With False Doctrines!

The question is similar to Roman Catholicism centuries ago, why are the Pentecostal and charismatic evangelical movements so conducive to getting people to believe that A) it is our job to establish the kingdom of heaven on earth rather than to preach the gospel and obey the Bible and let God do what God has already said He would and B) to accomplish A) using secular methods? Just The Book has an excellent series on how these people are targeting our kids in this fashion, here is merely one of their many entries, and yes Just The Book (a sola scriptura title!) does invest a lot of time in investigating the links between Roman Catholic mysticism and not only charismatic mania, but how charismatic mania influences POLITICS. I am not one of those who claims that the Roman Catholic Church is mystery Babylon the great, the beast, etc. but their fingerprints are all over this movement. 

So here is the link of Ron Luce endorsing the false ministry of the Hickeys. I don’t know how long the link is going to last, so here goes the text:

In a world that seems to be turning upside down, God wants YOU to be a world – changer!“After a radical encounter with God, Sarah Bowling began to sense the need to revolutionize her World… from the inside out. “That’s where the true revolution begins,” says Sarah.

Regardless of how old or young you are, or where you live on the planet, God wants you to be concerned, confronted, compelled, corrupted, and consumed by the cause of Christ. He sees the potential in each of us to become a revolutionary.

How to Keep Your Faith in an Upside-down World can be a beginning for you; a beginning of radical relationship with God, of tremendous transformation in your own life, and a real revolution of God’s love, power and Word in your world and the world around you!” Sarah’s book will encourage you to not just be a surviving Christian, but a thriving Christian. Sarah’s message will help you excel and move forward in your Christian walk—despite living in an upside down world.

-Ron Luce, Founder of Teen Mania

So … God wants you to be corrupted by the cause of Jesus Christ? That must be the Word of Faith/prosperity doctrine translation. You know, the one that teaches that Jesus Christ had to be born again (either in hell or at his baptism), that He was raped, and other blasphemies. God wants us to be a revolutionary? In the form of dying to self, not being conformed to the world and its ways but being transformed by God’s Word, etc. But since Luce did not provide that context for us – and since he promotes WORLDLY and UNBIBLICAL ministers like the Hickeys and practices like contemplative spirituality – I cannot presume him to mean “revolutionary” in a biblical context (especially since the world itself never appears in the Bible … at least not in my translation … again maybe it appears in the Word of Faith/prosperity ones), but rather in a worldly one. And again, since Luce’s “ministry” is fond of using militaristic images – complete with teens wearing combat fatigues and having vehicles i.e. jeeps painted with camouflage designs on stage, and yes since he encourages these children to be active in the secular arena – what prevents me from deciding that Luce means “revolutionary” in the Che Guevara, Simon Bolivar, Joan of Arc sense? Or the aforementioned children’s crusade

People, Satan Is Real And After Your Kids, and among the places very where Satan is like a lion, roaring, looking for and stalking whom he may devour as it reads 1 Peter 5:8 is in these false churches and false Christian movements. This is why we need to flee false teachers and reject their doctrines people, and only seek after the Word of God and those who teach it. There is no need, no reason to compromise or make excuses, because the consequences are too severe. Marilyn and Sarah Hickey and Ron Luce: as Amos 3: 3 says, how can they walk together unless they be agreed? 

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Black Racists Trying To Keep Black Kids Unnecessarily Languishing In Foster Care

Posted by Job on May 27, 2008

Stories like this: Major changes urged in transracial adoption force me to remember the Bible verse that says the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God. But the notion that these people are willing to let black kids, who make up 32% of foster children, sit in foster care until they are able to find either black parents or liberal white parents (i.e. those willing to sit through “diversity training” brainwashing) shows how evil the human heart can get. It is hilarious that some of the groups pushing this – the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, the North American Council on Adoptable Children, the Child Welfare League of America, the Dave Thomas Foundation for Adoption and the National Association of Black Social Workers (note: the late Dave Thomas was the one that gave us the Wendy’s fast food chain) – are now denying that they oppose transracial adoption. I know that before this 1994 law was passed BY A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, many of these black social worker and foster care groups were on record as opposing transracial adoption. They stated that the refusal of the state to fully fund social welfare and public education as well as law enforcement and economic policies created broken homes in the black community, causing black kids to disproportionately go into foster care, and allowing whites to adopt those kids amounted to black genocide because these kids were removed from the black community and raised according to the white value system. It was, you know, a conspiracy by the white man to destroy the black community by creating the conditions where black children would be taken from their homes and raised to appreciate quiche’, bluegrass music, Sansabelt slacks, Julia Roberts, and other stuff that white people like

Look, I am not making this up! I remember the debates in black magazines (i.e. Ebony, Jet, Essence) over this topic, and it would also be reported in mainstream media outlets. That professional black people were so bold to state in the mainstream media that black children would be better off staying in foster care waiting for blacks to adopt them than allowing them than allowing whites to adopt them – claiming that not only those black kids but the overall black community would benefit – shows how deeply embedded Jeremiah Wright – James Cone Afrocentric thinking is within the black leadership. And that so many states actually listened to these people and adopted laws and policies honoring this thinking shows that it took a federal act of Congress to put it to a stop shows how tolerant not a few powerful whites are of this thinking. 

Now I was not being fair by blaming this thinking on Jeremiah Wright and James Cone. Truthfully, it was the mindset that developed rather quickly among certain black intellectuals and was reinforced in certain black professional organizations (i.e. education, social work) that the black community needed Great Society programs to survive. I still remember the fight over the 1996 welfare reform bill, where very successful educated black people – including those serving in Congress, as mayors, and in elite government and university positions – actually claimed that reforming welfare would lead to hundreds of thousands of blacks starving to death and still more dying on the streets of exposure. Once the mentality was created and accepted that the black community needed Great Society programs to survive, an attack on those programs – including mentioning the simple fact that the programs were poorly designed and implemented, were causing a great many severe unintended consequences, and were badly in need of reform – became not only an attack on the political and economic aspirations of the black community, but literally a desire to see black women and children starve to death in the streets. So, it then quickly became possible to blame everything wrong in the black community with a failure to fully fund these programs, and from there it was a logical leap to how the failure to do so was a planned conspiracy to destroy the black community from without. 

It is not dissimilar from the negative consequences that the pro – abortion people claim would happen as a result of making this infanticide illegal: millions of women dying from botched illegal abortions, and millions more unable to complete their educations or have careers because they keep getting pregnant. Both such arguments result from a lack of critical thinking. Great Society programs were implemented in the 1960s, abortion became widely available in places other than, say CALIFORNIA (thanks to Ronald Reagan!) in the early 1970s. If black people had been able to make it in America for hundreds of years prior to the Great Society, and women had been able to finish college, have careers, and avoid being slaughtered in botched abortions prior to Roe v. Wade, and if black people and women are at this moment living in places where abortion is still illegal/unavailable and there is nothing resembling the Great Society – this is the case in the vast majority of the world by the way … such things are luxuries enjoyed by wealthy societies in the west – what causes one to think that such things are essential for survival? 

So, this thinking is not James Cone – Jeremiah Wright black liberation theology. However, this thinking IS very tolerant of black liberation theology, and likewise black liberation theology is very tolerant of this thinking. Probably because they come from the same mold and are cut from the same cloth. A person who agrees with one truly has little basis for rejecting the other. It is great when these people are proven wrong. Though the John Ashcroft – Newt Gingrich welfare bill was very flawed for a variety of reasons (J.C. Watts attempted to address its flaws but was not allowed to), black people are not exactly dying in the streets. And the black community did in fact survive the nefarious attempt to destroy it by allowing whites to adopt blacks out of foster care. But no matter, this mindset will just find something else to move onto. 

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