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Judeo – Christianity Does Not Include Jesus Christ Or Messianic Jews!

Posted by Job on April 25, 2008

Banning Jesus: What a “Judeo-Christian” Prayer Service Looks Like from Slice of Laodicea:

I had emailed you awhile back about an event similar to this one, co-sponsored by my previous church. It was to pray for Israel, and Jewish folks were invited as well. The problem began when I found out just a day before the event, from the church we were partnered with to do this, that in order not to be offensive they had to remove their crosses that were out in the open, banners with the name of Jesus on them, the speakers were only to read from the Old Testament, and no songs of Jesus were to be sung. They said that we had to agree to this ahead of time or the Jewish participants would not come. Also, Messianic Jews were not allowed to participate as speakers, and if they attended, they had to sit in a special place in the back as to not offend the Jewish folks who think they are traitors to Judaism…

I have stated in the past that these incidents are not by accident. It is part of an ongoing effort on a religion based on rejecting Jesus Christ – rabbinic Judaism – to cause Christians to do the same. Jews claim that it is done to remove the “threat” of proselytization. Nonsense. The biggest threat to Judaism is not proselytization, but of Jews becoming for all practical purpose atheists or marrying non – Jews (also almost always atheists in practice) and not raising their children in Judaism. The threat of persecution is also given as another reason, and I agree that there is a history of such behavior by Christians. Yet Muslims also have persecuted Jews, and Jews do not respond by trying to get nonviolent Muslims to alter and deny their faith. (Quite the contrary, Jews promote the notion that Jews and Muslims were living together in peace before the Christians came and taught the Muslims to hate.)

No, this is all about their being offended at the claims of Jesus Christ being their God and Messiah through whose Name alone can salvation can be granted. So, Jews have been successful in getting liberal “Christians” to deny Jesus Christ because liberal Christianity was basically already there to begin with, so anti – Semitism and the memory of the Holocaust gave them yet another excuse to not only deny fundamentalism within themselves, but to attack Christians that insisted on adhering to it as bigoted and dangerous. It is not that such liberal Christians sincerely care about Jews suffering bigotry and harm as they are offended by fundamentalist Christians continuing to hold onto their doctrines and as such exposing them as the apostate frauds that they are.

But evangelical Christians were a tougher case, because in order to retain influence among those that have rejected theological liberalism and universalism, there remained the need to assert fidelity to scripture. So to them, the way was right wing politics, with dispensational pre – tribulation rapture doctrines added to it. The older Christians probably know within their heart that it is primarily a secular activity for cultural and political reasons, but younger Christians raised on this HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW BETTER.

You have two groups of concern here. First, there are the younger Christians, folks 30, 35, even 40 and younger who were raised in an evangelical church, and for whom the views and activities of Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc. have always been part of their religious mindset. The amazing thing that a lot of these people have grown up reading newspaper columns and listening to radio shows produced by people that they presume to be evangelical Christians (and by this I do not mean the likes of Dobson but actually secular figures like Rush Limbaugh) and have their religious views influenced by them, not to mention by politicians like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. And then there is the second group, which is people that have been converted into political evangelicalism during this time. Counting their children, it may actually be larger. Both groups would be absolutely shocked to find out that before the rise of the religious right, not only was the practice of joining hands with people that explicitly reject Jesus Christ as do rabbinic Jews in spiritual gatherings not done, but similar gatherings between even Roman Catholics and Christians were rare!

And of course, I am going to play the hypocrisy card. Let us say that it were MUSLIMS rather than Jews! THESE SAME PEOPLE WOULD INSIST ON PRAYING IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN THEIR PRESENCE AND DENOUNCE AS AN APOSTATE HERETIC ANYONE WHO REFUSED! Why? Well, Muslims are on the other side politically and represent a different political alignment and worldview, for one thing. That is one of the reasons why so many conservatives are so willing to accept the notion that Barack HUSSEIN Obama may secretly be Muslim. Never mind the fact that radical Islam is not only much more socially conservative than not only the left wing of the Democratic Party but also most evangelical Christian Republicans, since neither Obama or Usama are on their side politically and culturally one is as good as the other.

And that brings us to the really troubling part: the theological one. These folks went delusional with rage when Keith Ellison took the oath of office on a Koran, WHICH WAS HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Let me repeat: WE HAVE SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION, SO IT WAS THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF KEITH ELLISON TO TAKE HIS OATH OF OFFICE ON A KORAN. Yet these same people are willing to allow Jews that reject the New Testament to come sit in their church, and to join them in making meaningless prayers. Now keep in mind: it is very possible for a Muslim to swear himself to a religious right agenda based on the Koran.

But the reason why it has to be Judeo – Christian values (and increasingly Judeo – Christian – Mormon values) is THEOLOGY. Religious right Christians have absolutely no problem proclaiming that Muslims are going to burn in the lake of fire unless they accept Jesus Christ. But Jews? Well, that is when we get into the equivocating. It really does appear that the political and cultural interests of the religious right has affected the theology, especially for those that were not Christians (or alive) before the formation of the religious right. While some – many – most are unwilling to explicitly commit to dual covenant theology, they nonetheless see Jews as having some special place with God – some special spiritual status – that every other person that rejects Jesus Christ does not have. Were that not the case, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY WOULD CONSENT TO A RELIGIOUS SERVICE THAT SPECIFICALLY OMITS JESUS CHRIST AND FORCES THEIR FELLOW BELIEVERS – MESSIANIC JEWS – TO GO TO BE SEGREGATED INTO THEIR OWN SECTIONS JUST AS BLACKS WERE DURING JIM CROW! That is right folks, segregation and discrimination against Jews in a matter that would never be tolerated in the politically correct evangelical church against blacks, Hispanics, or even increasingly homosexuals is being perpetrated against Jews that believe in Jesus Christ. AND IF THAT IS NOT ANTI – SEMITISM AND ANTI – JUDAISM, WHAT IS?

I have to tell you, the only way that Christians would allow not only our Messianic Jewish brethren but the Name of Jesus Christ to suffer such ill treatment would be doctrinal confusion that causes them to believe that conservative Jews are “kinda sorta born again, or will be accepted by God in some way even if they aren’t.” Otherwise, what is the reason? What is the justification? The irony is that some of these same people were criticizing Rick Warren for allowing Barack HUSSEIN Obama and Hillary Clinton to speak at his TOTALLY SECULAR conference on AIDS are participating in this day of prayer. So what more proof do we need that the anti – Christ spirit is acting through and using the religious right in America? And why aren’t more of us rending our clothes over it?

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4 Responses to “Judeo – Christianity Does Not Include Jesus Christ Or Messianic Jews!”

  1. PJ Miller said

    Amen Job, an excellent post.

    I read and also posted the letter sent to Ingrid yesterday…i thought it was a heart breaking example of the rotten fruit of dispensationalist teachings which we are seeing more and more of today. Its taken over 100 years, since those bad seeds were first planted within the churches of America to bring forth this unGodly fruit: we’re reaping the crop now.

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  3. nan said

    these jews (ha) are not the people of the old testament. they are just germans like their brother hitler. i am so sick and tired of their lies that they are the chosen people. the people of that day where dark colored people and still are. God is not concerned with what color his people are now he just says whosoever will let him come. He is not concerned with a special name of people. We are living in the last days and no one deserves special treatment just because of what they call themselves. They are not special in the eyes of God. They reject his son they reject him just like anyone else who rejects Jesus Christ rejects God. I say keep them and anyone else out of your churches who refuse to accpet Christ and give no place to the devil. It is time for this lie they and others have been perpertrating to cease and it is about too

  4. Travis said

    Nan, you clearly are confusing Hebrews (who were descended from what we now refer to as Canaanite people (a branch of Shem/Semites), like the Edomites, Phoenicians, Syrians, Babylonians (Chaldean, like Abram), etc.) with Jews. We don’t know what color the skin of all Israelites through history was – Esau had red hair, for one, and the Samaritans are not mixed with Khazars, and yet are far from being as brown as you seem to imagine (they are still around, and can very readily trace their descent back before the time of Christ, and are recognized as being much of the same genetic stock as the Israelites – the Edomites were later absorbed and by the time of Christ were already the Idumean Jews, of which Herod was one).

    Ishmael was half-Hebrew – that didn’t make him half-Jew, or Jewish at all even though he was descended from Abraham. Judaism was/is a Torah-and-Temple-centered religion, though the Talmud and cultural tradition have become the “spiritual” center of nearly all modern Judaism since the destruction of the Temple, and they are apostate and fallen away from the Lord, Messiah Jesus (if you prefer the Greek, Iesous Christos – Jesus Christ – same person as Him called “Messiah the Prince” in Daniel 9:25).

    There were many sons of Eber (Hebrews), and Jacob’s sons took cousins, not sisters, as brides. Coming out of Egypt, the Israelites made sure the other members of their household (the MIXED-MULTITUDE), who were eventually absorbed racially, culturally and religiously into Israel, were circumcised and followed the other ritual necessities for entering into the House of Israel as it was established at that historic place and time.

    Through the centuries, people came from all over the world to learn from the wisdom and glory God had established through this people, and people from many nations became circumcised and baptized into Judaism (hence some of the anger of Jesus when He entered the Temple in Jerusalem and drove out the money changers and vendors – they were extorting the Gentiles (Nations) from other lands who were confined to the outer court. The Israelites also left God and were taken into captivity and severe discipline and refinement several times throughout their history as a people, but the Lord always preserved a remnant, just as Paul discusses in Romans 11.

    The word “Jew” (Yud) comes from “Judean”, which was originally a smaller tribe of the house of Israel and the Southern Kingdom, but who later became SYNONYMOUS with Israel – the terms eventually became interchangeable, so it was a great offense to many Israelites who rejected Jesus (the ones Paul’s addressing discussing in Romans 11) when the sign hung above Jesus’ head on the cross read, “King of the Judeans/Jews” (Iesus Nazoraus Rex Judeorum). While King Hezekiah of Judah is restoring Jerusalem, we find out that the people working on the walls mainly spoke the Judean dialect, while some could speak Aramaic (Chaldean), which they picked up while in captivity (2 Kings 18:26).

    So at the time of Jesus, and even before Moses came down from the mountain with the stone tablets and the commandments, Israel was not a race-cult, but a people kept pure through God’s provision for them through His commandments, temple sacrifice system, the judges, prophets, Torah, Wisdom, etc. which is really to say that they were preserved, like Abraham, through their faith/actions (there’s no difference between the two, as James makes clear and as we saw with Abraham believing God but/and still bringing Isaac to the altar to be killed) – it was the coming Messiah and their faith in Him which marked them and justified them – a religion, not a race. Let’s move on…

    Yes, today’s Jews are totally blinded and lost (by the will of God, mysteriously) without saving knowledge of their savior, who is the only savior – first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. This is part of God’s plan. This much you seem to accept. But can you accept this other mystery, expounded upon in Romans 11? The Apostle Paul’s letter to the Romans is universally considered his most doctrinally complex and advanced, being meat rather than the milk he had to keep feeding the Corinthians in his letters to them). He wrote this after he had been preaching and travelling for some time – let’s compare it to your take on the situation (and, yes, I know the difference between Syrian, Ashkenazim (German), Mizrahim and Sephardic Jews – Judaism was not and is not a race, but a religion, founded *out of and through* the Israelite Hebrews – Judaism spread with Jews throughout the world, even into ancient China and Africa, though fallen away and not centered on the Jerusalem temple, similar to the Samarians).

    In both Romans 11 and Acts 22 (all of this post-Cross and resurrection, mind you, and after Paul had already been commissioned by Jesus himself to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles) Paul makes himself distinct among Jews by tracing his roots back through both Rabbinical affiliation (Gamaliel), spiritual and ethnic descent, as well as the fact that he distinguished himself by addressing the Temple in Jerusalem in Hebrew (which would have been rare that day, Aramaic and Greek being the common tongues of the Hellenized Jews – Hebrew had been mainly a scholarly language, confined to the temple and synagogues for a long time by that point). The “Jews from Asia” are equivocated with “Men of Israel” by that very group in Acts 21:27-28.

    Romans 11:11-15:

    “I say then, they (Israel) did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

    Now, if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be! But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, **if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them**. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, **what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?**”

    So, we see Paul here, after he’s been chartered to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles (the Church – the Body and Bride of Christ – at this point is already being established on the foundations of the apostles and prophets) still making a distinction between them and the Jews (again, not a race per-se, but a group of people connected by their religious heritage and Torah and rituals), and claims that the purpose of the Gentiles receiving faith is to MAKE THE JEWS JEALOUS! So, if the Church is completely Israel (and they have been joined to her in faith and will all be one in Christ when He restores all things at the end of the Age), then to not distinguish between the Church and Israel is to say that Paul’s claiming that the Church was established to make the Church jealous – doesn’t work, does it?

    God knows that not everyone who goes by the name of Jew is a true Jew in any sense (always the remnant was saved and used to build the living temple of the Lord), much like Matthew 7:15 shows us that many nominal “Christians” really aren’t. And yet, he has scattered the Jews/Israelites and sifted them through the nations, and He knows who they are, and NOT ONE GRAIN will fall to the ground (Amos 9:8-10).

    Yup, many of the largest enemies of the nations of the globe are “Jews” in positions of power, at enmity with all the world. Which makes it all the more a supernatural work of God that we are called to witness to them (Love your enemy, remember?) and all the more wondrous to His glory alone that this completely apostate people – the branch cut off from their tree – will be grafted back in. Their faith will be all the more glorious than the expression of Christ we’ve seen through the Gentiles when they are restored – that’s a promise from the Lord! And, no, I’m no Zionist (political movement headed up by Herzl, Rothschild, Schiff, etc.) – that’s the natural and satanic counterfeit of the people the Lord will ultimately restore from that remnant. One branch cannot despise another branch – we are all supported by the root and only have life because of the mercy and grace of the Lord (Rom. 11:16-24).

    Romans 11:28-33 :

    “From the standpoint of the gospel THEY ARE ENEMIES (emphasis mine) for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

    For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

    Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!”

    Search your heart – the very fact that these people (especially many from Germany – Marx, Freud, House of Rothschild, etc.) are enemies is all the more reason to call upon Jesus’ super-human and supernatural love for them, just as Paul does in Romans 11. Forgive; I know their offenses are great, and so does the Lord, but He has made an everlasting covenant with them which can’t be broken or revoked. Bless. Love.

    And, no, never remove the Gospel and the Cross of Christ from any of your words to the Jews or from any pulpit – LOVE THEM WITH THE GOSPEL, for it is the only salvation to any of us, yes!

    We aren’t called to have crosses on our walls, but to show them in our lives – pick up our cross (instrument of torture inflicted by the enemies of God!) and follow Jesus. “Father, please forgive them, for they know not what they do!” Keep praying for all the Churches and all the Body, but don’t neglect to pray for the salvation (through Christ) of Jerusalem and the Jews – they are tearing themselves and their neighbors apart through hawkish and murderous Zionism, but the Lord still has a plan for them, for the righteous remnant he has kept for Himself among them and the nations. Bless; bless and do not curse. Step neither to the left nor the right, but stay on the path the Lord has approved and showed us in the Scriptures.

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