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Endtimes Alert: Doctor Gives 9 Year Olds Sex Changes. And They Say Evil Spirits Are Not Real?

Posted by Job on April 21, 2008

See link here.

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

A liberal Christian came by about a year ago to challenge me as to whether corporate industrial pollution was responsible for the increase in homosexuality – especially among children – by messing with their hormones (see link here). My response to him? COULD BE! Whether corporate greed drives sexual perversion, or whether sexual perversion drives corporate greed (pornography IS a multi – billion dollar business, and that does not even include the things that aren’t counted as pornography but should be, so where there is a demand mammon will meet it). But now here is the evidence that sexual perversion is deeply embedded into our culture and being normalized:

CHILDREN HAVE CUT themselves. In some cases, 9- or 10-year-old kids have staged suicide attempts. The little boys sob unless they’re allowed to wear dresses. The girls want to be called Luke, Ted, or James. Their parents, desperate to know what is wrong, go online and type “gender disorder.” And what they find is that, even now, decades after doctors performed the first sex changes in America, there’s little help for transgender children. 

There is more.

IDEAS: When are children old enough to declare what gender they will be?

SPACK: All I know is that when I see preadolescents, they have been dressing in the underwear of the other sex for years. These kids are almost certainly transgendered.

And they say evil spirits are not real? We are not just talking about the evil spirits in the children, but rather from the ADULTS that accommodate this vile wickedness, this abuse of God’s creation. This is the key part: the article says that pre – adolescents have been exhibiting this behavior for years. Pre – adolescent means pre – teen, which equates to 10 – 12. So if a 10 year old has been doing this for years, it means since 6, or 4. That is before a child has had any meaningful exposure to the culture: schools, movies and television, etc. So then, how is it that these children have been turned so perverse so early? Child molestation is an easy answer, but too easy. You may want to blame parental neglect due to so many households in which women work – especially households led by single mothers – but that is a class based argument, not a spiritual one, for many of our lower income and minority communities have always seen high percentages of working mothers and single mothers without anything like these sorts of problems. And please realize that the article talks about how this fellow learned these techniques from the oh so progressive Dutch who lack some of our social problems (instead having entirely different ones that the American media rarely speaks of). 

I think that an answer may be found in studying the state of Old Testament Israel. Regrettably I do not have a link at hand, but in one of his messages in The Minor Prophets series, Ronald Dart of Born To Win spoke of King Josiah’s efforts to spiritually rescue Israel, and gave the opinion that sometimes a nation’s apostasy has gone on so long and is so deeply embedded into the culture that it cannot be saved. Dart spoke of Israel then with their idolatry, sexual perversion (including child prostitution) and murder of the innocent (including child sacrifice) and compared it with the evils of contemporary America, making the conjecture that America had itself crossed its spiritual Rubicon into irrecoverable corruption and apostasy. So, God destroyed Israel, leaving it utterly desolate, so that the land could rest from the abominations of the people. Why? Well, God still had plans for the land … for His Son to be born into it. But Israel had so corrupted the land that God intended to be holy and set apart for the purposes of Jesus Christ that it had to be cleansed through desolation. 

Think back thousands of years earlier, Sodom and Gomorrah. The place was filled with sexual immorality and violence, so God overthrew it. And think back quite a time earlier, in the primordial period just before the flood. The whole world was filled with violence and other evils, including the giants in the land, the nephilim about which there has been so much speculation. But in all of these instances, the Word of God records that the very land itself had become corrupted with sin. Not just the people. Not just the cultural traditions, perverted religions, and public institutions of government, military, and commerce. And not just the animals (which the Bible makes clear can be corrupted, not only through God declaring everything that had breath of life corrupt and having to be destroyed in the flood and the evil spirits entering the swine when Jesus Christ cast them out of a man, but when God often warned the children of Israel not to keep or sacrifice to Him the cattle and sheep of pagan nations, but instead to destroy them all along with the people!), but the very land itself!

Now I will grant you, there is some ambiguity or flexibility as to what precisely the term “land” means in various contexts in the Bible, but in this instance we can be reasonably certain that it is strongly correlated with the geography of a nation itself. So if the land is polluted by what the people living in the land are doing, then in what manner is this pollution? If it is not a horde of evil spirits attracted to an area by repulsive sinful conduct of the worst manner, I do not know what is. And there is no worse sin than that of the person who has knowledge of God or professes God but rejects God. Yet that was what happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and mankind falling into sin and the entire creation being corrupted with it was the result. Romans 1:18-32 makes it clear that many in the world knew of God during the primordial period. And then you had the apostasy of Israel, God’s elect nation of stiff – necked people. Now I reject dominion and official theology, America is not the new Israel. But still, how can we not compare the wretched conduct of so many people who claim to believe in God to that of biblical Israel, of Sodom and Gomorrah, or of the cosmos before the flood? So if we are indeed a land corrupted by sin, with what is the resulting corruption? From my humble estimation, it can be nothing else but evil spirits that have such reign over the land that they can now enter into children of very young ages – ages before both Jewish and Christian doctrine claims that they can possess any responsibility for sin – and fill them with thoughts and provoke them to behaviors that are not convenient even without those children personally having been exposed to external sources of wickedness on that scale.

So we can suppose, then, that the effects of God ridding a corrupted land from its people so that it can rest as He did with Israel, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the entire world with the flood can be viewed in terms of Matthew 12:43-45, which reads “When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.” Get rid of all the people, and there is nowhere for these unclean spirits walking through dry places to find rest, and nowhere for him to bring the seven spirits more wicked than he. It would honestly appear that with the grotesque abominations that are now not only commonplace and accepted but DEMANDED by our contemporary society that America as a nation is that wicked generation that is in that last state. The only question is whether it applies just to America, as it did to Israel in the time and place that Jesus Christ was speaking (as the nation of Israel was destroyed in 70 A.D.) or does it apply to the whole world? Is this the beginning of sorrows for the earth, or just for America? After all, nations have come and nations have gone! Remember the mighty civilization that the Aztecs built? Yet the conquistadors overthrew it all! So … time will tell. 

I acknowledge that during the short time (a little over a year) since I started this website, I have gone from (disillusioned) Pentecostal to a more Reformed Christianity, but people, evil spirits are real, and Reformed Christians have to come up with a way to deal with these problems through evangelism and ministry programs so that we can redeem God’s children from the clutches of the enemy. That is one of the reasons why I have yet to remove the spiritual warfare materials from the top (also to the side) of the site: it is mostly from the charismatic perspective – with due respect to the Baptist Frank Hammond – but really what else is there?  

From another perspective, this type of evil shows how perversion is taking over the world. Not only is it happening virtually unchecked, but it is the people that say that it is wrong that would face opposition. Suppose you and I were to go to Boston right now with picket signs and bullhorns in front of this fellow’s office, declaring to the world the abomination that it is. (Of course, some would propose that quietly talking to people and handing out gospel tracts would be a more effective and more Christian way of dealing with this evil than publicity – seeking grandstanding, but consider the question anyway.) The news media, the intellectuals (of which there is no shortage of in Boston) and even many clergy would denounce such an effort as hateful, bigoted, intolerant, etc. and before long there would be hate crimes legislation against it, with news footage of Christians yelling and swinging signs at crying confused children, it would be a political watershed moment for the gay rights community, their Selma. Yet a mere 40 years ago, such an establishment working this type of evil against children would have been burned to the ground!

It has to be spiritual. Satan knows that he has but a short time, so the forces of spiritual wickedness are being unleashed upon the earth in a way like never before, and it will build until the return of Jesus Christ. The moral climate, the economic climate, the wars and diseases, the apostasy of the church … it all adds up to one thing: the fulfillment of the things spoken of in Daniel, Ezekiel, the Olivet discourses of Jesus Christ in the gospels, Revelation, etc. And yes, the apostasy of the church is a clear indication. How can these things be going on in a nation that claims to be over 75% Christian (if not higher) without a single hint of righteous outrage? Without armies of Christians motivated to action? It is as if a spiritual cloud of fear, defeat, blindness, pacifism, and accommodation is hanging over the church. And so many are that are fighting are doing it the wrong way: through electoral politics and in the courts. Were John Edwards and George Whitefield about today, what would they say about us? And better yet: how come WE are not doing what John Edwards and George Whitefield did? And yes, I include myself among the number of those that really are not doing nearly enough for the gospel. I have to do more. We ALL have to do more!

Jesus Christ is coming back soon, Christians. And when He does, what will you say if He asks you why didn’t you do anything to help, defend, and advocate for His little children such as these?

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29 Responses to “Endtimes Alert: Doctor Gives 9 Year Olds Sex Changes. And They Say Evil Spirits Are Not Real?”

  1. Zoe Brain said

    This may be a lost cause, but what the heck.

    First, the doctors are not performing a “sex change”, and to say they are is bearing false witness.

    Gonoadotrophins block the formation of pubescent hormones. This gives the patient time to reach an age of informed consent before undergoing puberty. It delays, but does not prevent.

    Second, some medical papers that might explain the situation:
    Zhou J.-N, Hofman M.A, Gooren L.J, Swaab D.F (1997)
    A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality. (PDF here)

    Kruijver F.P.M, Zhou J.-N, Pool C.W., Swaab D.F. (2000)
    Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus (PDF here)

    Male and Female brains differ, both on the coarse scale (BSTc layer of the hypothalamus) and fine scale (number of neurons – brain cells – in each structure). Autopsies on transsexual women, that is, women with mostly male bodies, have shown they have female pattern brains.

    Note that gay men have male pattern brains though.

    Third, results of MRI scans – “brain scans”.

    “Radiologists can now confirm what transsexuals report – that they feel “trapped in the wrong body” – on the basis of the activation of the brain when presented with erotic stimuli. There is obviously a biological correlation with the subjective feelings.”

    Fourth, the result of legal review of all the scientific evidence:

    At paragraph [270]: ‘But I am satisfied that the evidence now is inconsistent with the distinction formerly drawn between biological factors, meaning genitals, chromosomes and gonads, and merely “psychological factors”, and on this basis distinguishing between cases of inter-sex (incongruities among biological factors) and transsexualism (incongruities between biology and psychology)’.

    At paragraph [272]: ‘In my view the evidence demonstrates (at least on the balance of probabilities) that the characteristics of transsexuals are as much “biological” as those of people thought of as inter-sex’.

    Finally, the Bible, on Intersex conditions, for these are not new.

    For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb:

    4: For this is what the LORD says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant-
    5: to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.

    We no longer condemn children born with “hare lip” or “cats mouth” as being marked by the Devil. Exorcism has shown to be relatively ineffective is diagnoses of leukemia, at least, compared to more conventional medical treatments.

    Here we have a medical centre that has looked at the evidence, and is doing their best to help as much as they can, while doing no harm. To help despite the well-meaning but medically ignorant opposition to their actions by God-Fearing people of goodwill.

  2. Job said

    Zoe Brain:

    The headline of the article that I linked to said “A doctor helps children change their gender.” Gender = sex. You are trying to make people think that I am asserting that this doctor is giving sex change operations. Did you not see where I had “by messing with their hormones” early in the post? Did you see any reference to “operation” or “surgery” in the post? Did you see that I used the tag “pediatric endocrinologist” for the post? You are the one bearing false witness. Thus, the contents of your heart are demonstrated by your own willful attempt to deceive. You should be concerned with the content of your own heart to make sure that your cause – your eternity – is not the one lost.

    Zoe Brain, what is happening in our culture that is causing little boys to put on dresses and little girls to try to cut off their breasts? Has this been a common cultural norm in our nation’s history? Or in other nations in cultures, either in modern times or throughout history? And since when did we come up with the idea that we are going to decide that boys and girls who do this are “obviously transgendered” and start loading them up with hormones? Look Zoe Brain, this sort of endocrinology is a rather new. Even if we did have a demand for this type of treatment in the past – which is highly doubtful – we had no way of meeting it. And further, this type of treatment is also only available to the rich … to those in wealthy western countries that have sufficient insurance coverage or the ability to pay otherwise. So, if you are “transgendered” in Uruguay, Lesotho, or Romania what are you to do? Are you advocating a global universal healthcare program to deal with these problems? Well, first you are going to need to corrupt the global culture to make this a universal problem to begin with.

    Please. This is just taking legitimate medical science that was given to God to mankind through common grace to be used for good that has been perverted so that it can be applied towards all sorts of wickedness. That you would pretend otherwise … well even your pretending otherwise requires that people pretend that the science and culture of contemporary America has always existed throughout the world. It really is the absence of logical, critical, independent thinking that causes people not to ask if pumping little girls that are ashamed of their breasts and trying to chop them off was not done in 1800, 1850, 1900, 1950, etc. (or for that matter there are no medical records indicating that such a thing was ever a problem in those days) then 1) there is no justification for pumping said girls (and boys) full of hormones as a “solution” to the problem today and 2) the real problem is WHY ARE THERE ALL THESE LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS MUTILATING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS?

    Incidentally, great way of totally misapplying Bible verses to justify this nonsense. You must be angling to be a televangelist or something. Well Zoe Brain, how is about considering the social location (the time, place, and cultural context) in which the Bible was written. The Bible was not written in 2007 by the Harvard University GLAAD (Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) chapter, or the Michigan LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered) office. It was written in the Middle East thousands of years ago by extremely religious Jews. Extremely religious Middle Eastern Jews are not those that would have accommodated cross – dressing little boys or little girls chopping off their organs. So by trying to interpret these scriptures according to your own time and place, you are not being a Jacques Derrida reader – response deconstructionist sort, but instead being a cultural chauvinist bigot. Of course, you know this already. So then, why are you trying to deceive people? You would be much more honest were you to claim that the Bible should not be an authority on this issue – a perfectly defensible one in a secular society – instead of claiming that the Bible supports what you well know does not.

    Zoe Brain, I may well be wrong, but at least I am honest. You, meanwhile, are incontrovertibly wrong AND dishonest. Zoe Brain, what do you see when you look in the mirror? What do you believe will happen to you when your life on this world ends? That is my question to you today. Please follow the link below in order to give those questions the consideration that they deserve.

    Follow Link To Self – Examination Exercise

  3. emily said

    Evil Spirits!?!?! Those are like Soooo 13th century.
    Are you for real?

  4. tina thomas said

    I’d like to see some explanation for why Christians who agree with this line of thinking are also the same ones who support the EXACT same kind of genital surgery and hormone therapy to “normalize” the God-given genitalia of intersex children for purely cosmetic and social reasons…?

    If God doesn’t make mistakes, then why is it OK for parents and doctors to alter ambiguous genitalia when there is no legitimate medical need to do so, and to force children into a sex/gender role that doesn’t fit them based only on their altered genitalia?

    Seems to me that the only difference is that these people think it’s OK to force medical intervention and genital surgery on infants who can’t agree to the procedure, but when free will is involved, suddenly it’s an affront to God.

  5. Job said


    Were girls trying to saw off their breasts in the 13th century? Also, is faith healing 13th century? Because I personally have been healed of asthma and kidney disease.

  6. Charles D. said

    “If God doesn’t make mistakes”

    Really He doesn’t, however, He expect us to use the good brain that He endowed us with, along with our free-will, all 5 senses, discernment, and exercising due care for those in whom charge He loaned them for a season.

    Some parents are great, some are good, some are not so good and some lacks the ability (both, physically, mentally and emotionally) to even call themselves parents, however, sex and the by-product of sex are the result of God’s natural law which has existed at least since the dawn of creation. What we call mistakes, God calls opportunity.


  7. ArmyMouse said

    Gender and sex are two different things. Gender by definition is the social role of a person and sex is the biological role of a person. Both of these are on a spectrum rather than being simply binary.

  8. Zoe Brain said

    Endtimes Alert: Doctor Gives 9 Year Olds Sex Changes.

    That’s the headline.

    You are trying to make people think that I am asserting that this doctor is giving sex change operations.

    I never said you did anything of the sort. Read my words, what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. The word “surgery” does not appear in my post. What I said was:
    First, the doctors are not performing a “sex change”, and to say they are is bearing false witness.

    The headline bears false witness, and so does the writer, whoever that may be. Now if you interpret “sex change” as meaning surgery, then the headline says that, not me. I used the same words. I’ll let your slanderous allegations of dishonesty pass as an honest misunderstanding, one engendered (pardon the pun) by the misleading headline.

    You make some excellent points in your reply, and I’ll try to address them.

    Q: Is this something novel, something that has never before happened in history, and only in western cultures?

    A: See the Navajo Nadle, the Lakota Winkte, the North Piegan Manly Hearts, the Tahitian Mahu, the Madagascar Sekrata and so on and so on. For that matter, see Herculine Babin, Dr James Barry and others. Then, as now, they hid away, and that was more easy to do in the days before ID cards, databases, and bureaucratic documentation.

    The first medical paper on transsexuality was published in 1869 by Karl Friedrich Otto Westphal, which makes it contemporaneous with the germ theory of disease. So no, it’s not “new”, and it’s not confined to the West.

    Q: What about people in Lesotho, Uruguay and Romania?

    A: In Uruguay and Romania, they fare as well as anyone who is, say, diabetic. Lesotho I’m not sure of. But this is a general health care issue, is it immoral to treat someone for a condition in a rich country unless every patient on the planet can be treated too? I don’t think it is.

    Q: Why is this happening at such a young age? Is it societal, a matter of upbringing?

    A: We know it becomes apparent at ages 2-10. Little boys know they are boys, and girls know they are girls, usually around age 5, sometimes earlier, and it has nothing to do with the clothes they wear, or how they are treated. There are detectable neurological differences between the sexes at 18 months, in terms of attention span and other metrics. It’s just that although there are two main patterns, one for boys, one for girls, about 1 time in 3000, you get a girl-type brain in a boy body, or a boy-type brain in a girl one. This is often associated with other Intersex conditions – the “boy body” may be a masculinised 46xx female, or a 47xxy kleinfelter. For more on this, see the Praeger handbook of Transsexuality, IMHO the best encyclopedic work available to the layperson.

    1 in 5 46xy foetusses whose mothers took the drug DiEthylStilbestrol (DES) in the first trimester of pregnancy end up as transsexual – so this is powerful evidence that it’s not a matter of upbringing.

    Q: Isn’t this endocrinology rather new? Do we really know what we’re doing?

    A: Yes, and partly, respectively. Yes, it’s new. No, we don’t know all the ramifications of long-term hormone use. Most studies have used non-bio-identical hormone analogs because they’re cheaper. Some of these hormone analogs, like EthylEstrodiol, have been implicated in slightly increased rates of some cancers. Neither 17B-estrodiol nor estrodiol valerate, both substances found in the human body naturally, have been tested to the same degree.

    Against that, people who are not treated with hormones have at least a 50% premature death rate by age 50. A Western Australian study suggested 90%. The best data we have is from the UK Scottish office, and shows that 50% of children under twenty who are not treated self-harm as the result. But none of the data is as good as it should be.

    Q: Zoe Brain, what do you see when you look in the mirror?

    A: A woman with a really, really rare Intersex condition. 1 in 40,000 men looked like girls at birth (they have either the 17BHDD or 5ARD mutations, usually). But only 1 in several million women looked like boys at birth. In 1985, on the basis of the technology of the time, I was diagnosed as an undervirilised (mildly intersexed) male. In 2005, as the result of some spectacular changes, I had some far more extensive tests. A Karyotype (chromosome test), MRI, ultrasounds of the pelvic region and groin, the works. The diagnosis was changed to severely androgenised (severely intersexed) woman. By that time I no longer looked remotely male.

    I’d picked my name, Zoe, when I was 10 years old. I “knew” from about age 7 that I wasn’t a boy – typical for someone with a masculine body and a feminine brain. Except my body wasn’t masculine, it was masculinised, and that condition was temporary (though lasted 47 years, worse luck). My story’s in COSMOS Science magazine.

  9. John Kaniecki said


    Hi hope you are well.

    I read your story.

    I suffer from mental illness and people say that that it is a demon. I quit taking my medicine twice believing God will heal me. It didn’t happen that way. I do not want to diminish God’s ability to heal but I have yet to see a withered arm or a cut off ear replaced.

    I do believe in demons though but to call everything the fault of a demon is wrong as well. We must understand that God heals through doctors and medicine too.



  10. Nate said

    John Kaniecki,

    Hi! Hope you are well

    I read your comment and decided not to argue with you but to correct you. Anything not of GOD is of satan (santa, shaytan). I also know you do not believe in demons as you wrote in comment. For your healing to ever occur, you must believe in the LORD your GOD with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

  11. Job said

    John K:

    You are right. God revealed medical knowledge to man through common grace and general revelation. So, Reformed and Calvinist Christians are perfectly fine with you taking your medicine, as are any charismatics that have read Frank Peretti’s “The Visitation” (again, the BOOK, not the movie!).

  12. Charles D. said

    John; as your brother in Christ I need to say the following about your comment above:
    ” suffer from mental illness and people say that that it is a demon. [I quit taking my medicine twice believing God will heal me.” It didn’t happen that way. I do not want to diminish God’s ability to heal but I have yet to see a withered arm or a cut off ear replaced.

    Maybe part of God’s healing includes taking your medication. Also, we have talked about this before: “I do not want to diminish God’s ability to heal but I have yet to see a withered arm or a cut off ear replaced.” You cannot diminish God’s ability to heal irrespective of whether you want to or not! Thing is seeing a withered are or cut off ear replaced have absolutely nothing to do with God’s ability to heal, in deed, His desire to heal because such may have nothing to do with His greater overall plan for your life. Furthermore, had you witnessed such a “miricle” would you have automatically assumed that they were of God?

    What did Christ say when He was asked for a sign? No matter what we want, we have to strive for HIS plan for our life and His plan is absolutely individual and specific for us. If He knows how many hairs are on our head, then, surely, He knows what your “prick” is and why He allowed it in the first place.

    Look back over all of the comments you have made on these pages, I would bet that if you had not disclosed your illness, then none of us would have been the wiser.

    For His higher purpose. Our utmost for His highest, brother.

    In love,


  13. Fran said

    John’s comment read that he does believe demons exist. You corrected him now you are in need of correction. Maybe you read too fast.

  14. John Kaniecki said


    Hi hope you are well.

    Let me tell you Nate nobody could have believed in a healing more than me. First off I stopped taking the medicine. To me that was a step of faith like Peter’s first step off the boat. Since I believed God would heal me I took that step. And to prove how much faith after I stopped taking my medicine once I decided to give a healing by God another shot.

    To say what you say without knowing me really shows your ignorance on the matter. Didn’t the apostle Paul have his thorn in his side? Would you make your same comment to him. I don’t think so. There are many Christians who believed and weren’t healed. Michael Landon the actor who had cancer comes to mind. If we followed your logic anybody who died of an illness would be guilty of ‘lack of faith’, otherwise they would have overcome.

    I know people who ride the New York subway. When they see somebody with an obvious physical ailment they chastise them for not being healed because of lack of faith. Most of the people they ridicule aren’t even Christians. Needless to say these people do no service to Jesus Christ. In fact what they say encourages quite the opposite.

    To correct you once again I do believe in demons and have seen manifestations of them. I doubt you have much experience with mental illness issues to speak with any authority. To educate you my illness is as real as any other physical one. Would you encourage somebody with diabetes to stop taking their insulin and rely God to heal them. You can’t put God in a box and make Him your servant boy.

    Finally Satan may be God’s adversary but they are far from on an equal level. God is supreme and Satan is nothing. Yes anything not of God is of Satan but Satan is limited in what he can do. Read the book of Job. God allows us to be afflicted. Personally I have learned many things through my sufferings. To say I just lacked the faith is just a contrite answer and an easy way out for you. Perhaps someday it will be you who have the illness and somebody will chastise you in the same manner that you have done to me. If you have ever been in that situation and God has healed you than Praise the Lord! But until you have been there I suggest you keep your tongue still.



  15. Charles D. said

    Hey Fran

    Hope you are enjoying the beautiful weather God has graced us with this fine day. It seems that you are on point in what you say and allow cooler heads to prevail. God bless and continue to work in your life to be a blessing to others.


  16. Fran said


    I’m still waiting on you to answer an email I sent you three weeks ago.

  17. Job said

    John K:

    Oh no, now you have gone and done it! You have recommended that a CHRISTIAN go and read THE BOOK OF JOB! The book that I was named after! Do you realize what you have done? You have told a CHRISTIAN to go read the book with the message THAT GOD IS SOVEREIGN AND NOT MAN? That God dispenses blessings and cursings according to His Will and not our command? Well, brother in Christ, I hope that you are willing to deal with the consequences, because you are going to be responsible for a lot of sleepness nights! (I must admit, pondering the meaning of the book of Job kept me up many a night, and I had actually come up with my own little false doctrines to give it an explanation that denied God’s sovereignty …)

  18. Charles D. said

    I didn’t get anything from you in quite sometime. What gives?

  19. Fran said


    I resent the email.

  20. Charles D. said

    Thanks, I will get it now. In the maintime take a peep on the “Juanita Bynum thread that’s active.

  21. Marianne said


    read my note and my concerns.

    thank you

  22. Charles D. said

    Brother Job:

    Can you check this person “Marianne” in terms of cultivating spiritual upheval and inability to let a subject that has gotten WAY OUT OF HAND alone. Admittedly, I’ve certainly said my part and meant it. The fact that this person is unwilling to “just let go” as advised and told in no uncertain terms that I do not care to hear from, or, otherwise comment to anything she has to say.

    I am through with being badgered by this person and wish it to stop.


  23. Marianne said


    If Job tolerates you, he will allow anyone’s comments.

    I hope you get saved someday, and learn that threats and verbal abuse is not Christian behavior.

  24. John Kaniecki said


    Hi hope you are well.

    The book of Job is a great book and one very misunderstood. But it brings many important lessons. The one I’d like to look at is correctly dividing the Word of God.

    To summarize the book of Job, Job is afflicted by death of his children, loss of livestalk and illnesses. We know God allowed Satan to do this. After these calamitites Job and his three friends get in an arguement. The fighting words go back and forth until a fourth person joins in. Finally God Himself speaks and ends the book.

    Now some people would rightly say the Bible is the Word of God. However it would be wrong to say that everything said by Job’s friends is correct or the truth. In fact we know what they say is wrong because God says so in the end. Job 42:8 “Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me that thing which is right, like my servant Job.”

    You see God calls their words folly. Thus to quote certain sections of Job, that is the speaking of Job’s friends, and claim that they are true would be incorrect. What they are is a man’s perspective which God calls folly.

    I feel this happens on this blog. In the New Testament every book written after Acts is written to believers. You can tell this by the introduction of the text. This is a very important principle especially regarding details of salvation and what is necessary. I will get into that later.



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  27. Jerome M said


    I notice you spend an overwhelming amount of time looking at what’s wrong and what doesn’t work (in your opinion). Know that as your focus remains fixed on this things, these things are exactly what you’ll experience. It seems to me the hell you’re trying so desperately to avoid and to “save” others from is in fact being lived by you as you walk the earth.

    Have fun with that.

  28. Job said

    Jerome M:

    I personally have fun in other ways, by serving God. Incidentally, Jesus Christ dedicated His entire life to things that didn’t work. It was His entire focus. So, are you alleging that Jesus Christ experienced only those things? Are you alleging that Jesus Christ did not save anyone? And if Jesus Christ did not save anyone, why did so many people freely give up their lives in order to follow a lie? If they wanted to throw their lives away, there were certainly more glamorous ways of doing so, such as being a revolutionary against the evil Roman Empire that was oppressing and murdering so many of their people.

    And incidentally, I am not experiencing hell on earth. Ever since I have started living for Jesus Christ – a few short years ago – I have had more love, joy, peace, forgiveness, etc. enter my life than I had during my entire life combined prior. Please accept Jesus Christ in your life today so that you might experience the same. And please allow me to say that it is the person who sees nothing wrong with little children being mutilated in the fashion that the article which you responded to describes that is the one that is experiencing within themselves just a taste of “hell” on earth that will be nothing compared to the real “hell” (which just so you know is actually the lake of fire … hell and the lake of fire refer to two different things, and the latter will destroy the former … so it appears that you do not even know enough about my faith to criticize it, which is usually the case).

  29. larrybulthouse said

    This is sooooo real that each and every day the armor of God must be put on everymorning before stepping out into Satans domain.I liken this to Satan having a long leash wrapped around his neck and each day God unwrapping it one turn at a time.The evil expands daily including in the sanctuaries that modern christians call church that may be more evil than the world for Satan doesnt have to go to the taverns he sends his torrents of demons into the church.

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