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Pope Benedict Entered The Priesthood Because He Wanted A Nice Car

Posted by Job on April 18, 2008

And he openly admits to it! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/18/wpope218.xml

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47 Responses to “Pope Benedict Entered The Priesthood Because He Wanted A Nice Car”

  1. From the article:

    “It wasn’t so much the car, since we weren’t technically minded,” he said. “It was the way the cardinal looked, his bearing and the garments he was wearing that made such an impression.”

    From the Bible:
    Matthew 23:4-15 (King James Version)

    4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

    5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

    6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

    7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

    8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

    9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

    10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

    11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

    12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

    13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

    14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

    15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

    He’s EVERYTHING Christ warned about and he really does like the nice seat in the synagogues.

    antichrist Benedict XVI to Visit Another Synagogue Plus the United Nations and Not Taking the Rock of Offense With Him.

  2. Job said

    IC:

    To me this just proves that the guy did not receive his call to ministry from God. Where evangelical Protestants at least pretend that a preacher has to be called by God in order to be legitimate, Roman Catholics sincerely believe that their church makes people preachers.

  3. Well we see their going against 1 Timothy 3 and forcing celibacy with men who are burning with passions didn’t work out. They’ve made a mass of pedophiles that had a secure job for a long time. If they tried the husband of one wife standard that might not have been such an issue for them. But who am I fooling, it’s not like Roman Catholics see the Bible as the final authority.

  4. Coram Deo said

    Well, from a purely carnal, fleshy, and practical standpoint being a cult leader must be one of the best jobs in the world. And if you can land the job as the leader of the biggest, wealthiest, and most powerful cult on the planet, hey, what’s a worldling to do? Grab it and growl of course!

    Assuming one had no fear of God nor the eternal torments awaiting in the afterlife I suspect being the Pope would be a swell gig.

  5. Fellow saints, today antichrist Benedict XVI took about the biggest slap against the Christian faith that a man could take. On what is the real Good Friday (Friday before Passover), he stood in the assembly of those who deny our Lord, rejected Him and he said nothing to them resembling a message of salvation in Christ Jesus. He partook in their meeting on the day of our Lord’s crucifixion AND THIS IS THE 2nd TIME HE’S DONE IT! He did it before in 2005.

    Here are the details of what antichrist Benedict said.

  6. Scarlet said

    I swear, the first time I saw Ratzinger in the papal robes, that leering grin and piercing gaze dominating his face, I said to myself, So, this is what the Anti-Christ looks like. Truly, truly scary.

  7. If you want to see scary, take a look at this picture!

  8. Charles D. said

    Yep! Thats scarey, really, and when you think about that song…..I wonder if GW and Condi have an other than gov’t relationship with satan, I mean the pope?

  9. Scarlet said

    Oh. My. Goodness.

    IC, I’m not kidding: That picture of Pope Benny with the Wicked Witch of the West (Nancy Pelosi) kissing his ring sends chills down my spine.

  10. John Kaniecki said

    Greetings,

    Hope you are well.

    Looking at the picture see the look of glee on Condi’s face. Who is the man in the background on the right?

    Love,

    John

  11. Hi John,

    I’ve got a breakdown of the players in that picture including who I am fairly certain is on the edge of the picture (John Boehner) in my post at: Is Your Pastor Going to Suck Up to antichrist Benedict XVI? I also break down what each of them claims to be there.

  12. Jonathan De Leon said

    The thing that really disgusts me about Catholicism and its adherents is the fact that when some speak out against this heretical faith based system some followers get angry and treatthe “attack” as if it is racism or some similar disparity. I don’t like it when people slander Jesus and the Bible. But the key word is “slander” those speak out against Jesus and the Bible lie or make erroneus statements. But usually when men of the true faith (in Jesus) speak out about the Roman Catholic cult they are seen and labeled as bigots by some even though they are saying the truth.

  13. Jonathan De Leon said

    Excuse the various grammatical errors

  14. Jonathan De Leon said

    Here is the revised edition:

    The thing that really disgusts me about Catholicism and its adherents is the fact that when some speak out against this heretical faith-based system some followers get angry and treat the “attack” as if it is racism or some similar disparity. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t like it when people slander Jesus and the Bible. But the key word is “slander” those who speak out against Jesus and the Bible are lying or making erroneus statements. But usually when men, of the true faith (in Jesus), speak out about the Roman Catholic cult they are seen and labeled as bigots by some even though they are saying the truth. That is disgusting.

  15. Jonathan De Leon said

    Hey Job (or anyone that can answer)…

    Do you think it is bad to call your dad “father?”

    If man wishes to be called “Rabbi” is he in apostasy?

  16. Job said

    Jonathan De Leon:

    The words of Jesus Christ in this matter should be taken in the context that they were given. In that context, the Jews had started associating spiritual virtue or elevation with certain positions and titles. Calling a person by a certain title had become a way of worship or veneration, not only elevating one man above another, but directing praise that should go to only God to man, worshiping the creature rather than the creator. Roman Catholicism is based ENTIRELY on venerating human beings and institutions in the place of the Triune Godhead. Of course, Protestants indulge in this same sort of foolishness.

  17. Pam said

    Jonathan,

    You are slandering the Catholic Church and are speaking out against Jesus and the Bible. Read Matthew 16:18-20. Pay particular attention to verse 19. Most Protestant Bible scholars will admit that the Catholic interpretation of these passages is correct. Have you read any CATHOLIC sources that explain the papacy or other doctrines that you find so heretical?

    May our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, Who is Truth, lead you into all truth.

    Pam, A faithful Catholic

  18. Roman Catholic Tradition is a cult!

    Roman Catholicism Versus The Bible. As Always, Bible Wins! (*Updated*)

    How come Roman Catholics never mention that Jesus turned to Peter and said “SATAN” after using the term “rock”, Matthew 16:22-23?

    Obviously the rock is in the truth of knowing Jesus is the Christ.

    If Pam wants to know the real deal, she can always read something like Once there was a Pope named Peter?

  19. Jonathan De Leon said

    Hey I.C. awesome reply. Pam may Jesus the true God and Savior lead You into the truth. Roman Catholicism is and apostate church. Sadly many fall into this doctrine out of love of tradition and fear of the truth because it is foreign to them.

  20. Coram Deo said

    Jesus Christ founded His true universal church upon the truth that He is Messiah, not on sinful Peter.

  21. Pam said

    Still no comment on Matthew 16:19. What did Jesus mean? It was clear from the pronoun “you” which he used several times that Jesus was talking to a living person not some statement. If the Bible is the sole rule of authority, why is it that you don’t believe what Jesus said? Can you show me where in the Bible it states “Bible Alone”- not just Scripture is good, but ONLY scripture.If the Catholic Church was man made and man inspired, do you think it would have lasted 2,000 years? especially with all her persecutions and scandals and failures which I’m sure you must know about. Read about the early church through the Early Church Fathers’ writings and you WILL see that it looked like the Catholic Church. Sola Scriptura is not scriptural, but your tradition leaves you to believe otherwise. Yours are man made(Luther) traditions of Faith Alone and Bible Alone. You cannot conceive of the beauty of the real church because you’ve been indoctrinated with false teachings about her.

    Yours truly,
    Pam

  22. Where did Jesus say I had to follow the Cult of Mary?

    You’ve been presented plenty you have not taken time to consider.

    You find me a verse that says follow the man in the funny clown suit and then perhaps someone will listen to you.

    If the Catholic Church was man made and man inspired, do you think it would have lasted 2,000 years?

    Several religions have been around a long time and see growth. You’re obviously a proponent of Universalism and feel they are all from God since they all have existed a long time and are growing in numbers. Even atheism is claiming growth and claims there is no God are almost as old as humanity. Even before the great flood there were atheists and they are still around today. Using the logic of Pam atheism is of God. It’s been around longer than the popes.

    The current RCC scandal is that they have a lady named Pam so deceived she’d actually attempt to defend the cult on a public blog.

    Church history shows your kind have been a cult even in church history, William and Augustine.

    Pam, your antichrist pimp has made it known he got into pimping you for the love of material things. You’re about as bad as a street prostitute who defends her pimp after he takes all the money she made for the night. Then he flies off in a jumbo jet and you cheer his name, only wishing he had visited your house so you could kiss his ring. Be sure to give that pimp you call “Father” your money.

  23. Pam said

    Independent conservative,

    Wow!! I see you are very good at attacking my faith, the pope and even myself personally in a most uncharitable way. I guess you must be following the Holy Spirit as He guides you into all truth. Maybe I should consider leaving the Church so I too can become one so holy as you….on second thought, maybe not. It is clear that you did not want to address any of my questions or concerns in my last post. Perhaps I struck a nerve. No matter, I’ll turn the other cheek and continue to pray for you and others that spew hate and deceit.

    With warm regards,
    Pam

  24. Charles D. said

    Pam

    I have a problem conecting the below verses with anything that have to do exclusively or specifically with Catholic as being the sole denomination of Christ,e.g., The ONLY Church. Such an interpretation only feeds into false doctrine of which I’ve seen more than enough on these pages. Is there another scripture perhaps stating with clarity what the mostbase of catholic would have others believe?

    “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

    Charles

  25. Job said

    Charles D:

    It is convoluted and abiblical. Consider, after all, why it is the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. Never mind the fact that the first church was in JERUSALEM. The Roman Catholics COMPLETELY IGNORE that the first church was established in Jerusalem. Or that at the ACTUAL first ecumenical council, the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, Peter was not running the show. Or that Rome was not even the SECOND church to be established … Acts records that Antioch was. Rome may not have even been the THIRD or the FOURTH church established.

    So the whole basis of this “Peter started the church of Rome and apostolic succession proceeded from there through the bishop of Rome” … a doctrine which did not exist until the 6th century AND EVERY OTHER CHURCH OPPOSED IT WHEN IT WAS CREATED … to justify it they began to declare HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE FACT that God moved the location of the holy city from Jerusalem to Rome. I even saw a Protestant preaching this nonsense. Except that he had no scriptures recording this happening (because scripture does not record it, and neither does it prophesy it … Revelation speaks of sites in and around Jerusalem and Rome is only mentioned allegorically not as the holy city but as THE HARLOT … the beast with the seven horns that the great harlot rode upon … the seven horns are often regarded as a reference to the seven hills of Rome!), so he claimed that the call and desire that Paul felt to turn west rather than east in Acts was “the beginning of the process of God moving the holy city from Jerusalem to Rome.”

    It is interesting that the Byzantine Church NEVER AGREED TO THIS. In 1054, the Byzantine Church was still part of the Catholic Church, and they NEVER ACCEPTED the doctrine that the church was built on Peter, nor did they accept that the holy city was now Rome, nor did they accept the primacy of the pope. The Roman Catholics are only able to successfully assert these doctrines by rewriting history, and were the Byzantine Church still a part of the Catholic Church, they would have been able to oppose this nonsense with, you know, the truth.

    So it is not just the matter of Roman Catholics casting aside the account of Acts, it is also their casting aside recorded human history, where one purposefully misinterpreted verse is used to justify political events that happened not only 600 years after the church was founded, but even 300 years after Constantine created the Catholic Church! At some point, you have to start asking yourself precisely who allows these lies to implant themselves by not talking about actual history, or even allowing the various non – Roman ancient church bodies (i.e. the Ethiopian Church, the Coptic Church, the Armenian Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches) have their say. You would think that in a nation dominated by PROTESTANTS that such a thing would happen. But I suppose that since the Vatican is a key player in the new world order (are you starting to believe in that now Charles, you have declared yourself noncomittal regarding such matters before!) then allowing a version of history that plainly contradicts the Bible and actually recorded events to be accepted in our mainstream society suits the globalists whether they are Roman Catholic or not. After all, these folks ABSOLUTELY LOVE how the Vatican has been prodding America to approve global warming legislation and amnesty for illegal immigrants, and how America has basically given them everything they wanted.

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  27. Charles D. said

    Job

    The thing that gets me about their assertions, in terms of St. Peter’s part in the catholic faith, includes their escalation of Peter who became a saint after this life by the way, but they flat out refuse to immulate Peter’s example of not feeling worthy to die the same as Christ, therefore he was crucified upside down. The pope should be so reflective. But then, how could he with all of the 2+ billion always telling him that he’s so “special.”

    They have also disallowed or have lost sight of”

    Church as People
    Building as chirch
    Builder as Christ
    Chief Cornerstone is Christ

    Chas

  28. Cult member named Pam,

    I’ll turn the other cheek and continue to pray for you and others that spew hate and deceit.

    You mean you’ll continue in delusion because you’d rather serve a man who has affirmed that he does it for greed rather than serve God in truth.

    You desire someone re-address your hack of scripture, while you do nothing to address any of the responses and you are incapable of doing so. Because you can’t rightly divide scripture to justify that mess you’re promoting.

    When Satan tempted Christ He was able to refute Satan with scripture, yet you desire we not stand on scripture alone.

    Benedict, that old viper bastard, he goes into a meeting of Jews and can’t tell them to embrace Christ. We see the false apostle is all about “interfaith relations” while real apostles kept preaching Jesus even when it was not desired to be heard.

    Nope Pam, you don’t want to be like me, I’m too offensive… You like pleasure of people thinking well of you. The narrow way is not for you. You can stay with that OLD DIRTY BASTARD NAMED BENEDICT!

  29. Pam said

    I don’t like pleasure of people thinking well of me, but I know my Savior reads my every thought and listens to me as I speak hatefully of others. I feel shame for offending God and for hurting others. I do want others to look at my life and want to become a Christian because of my example. What I don’t want is someone to look at my behavior and say “If that’s what being a Christian is about, then I want no part of it” It’s wonderful to think of how the early church converted the Romans… by their love. But I guess I’m trapped in, you know, what the Bible teaches. Or perhaps Martin Luther didn’t put that book back in your Bible. I’m referring to James 2:14 and following. Also our Lord and Savior Himself is quoted in Matthew 25:31 and following about being judged by our actions. The point is that you have some pretty skewed views of history and Bible interpretations yourself and it really does no good slinging mud at each other. I will continue to pray for blogs like this one.

    P.S. I think the “material things” you’re referring to was when the Pope was 5 years old and saw a Cardinal and was impressed by the fancy car and the way the Cardinal looked. I don’t believe he entered the priesthood to become rich, but your mind is made up and have no intention of being open to anything this little “prostitute” might say. I’ll be signing off and hope you have a good life. May God bless you and guide you and protect you.

    Pam

  30. I do want others to look at my life and want to become a Christian because of my example.

    Which includes your desire they follow the pimp viper noted above.

    Charles, does this Pam sound like an RCC version of Stephie Lynn or what?

    She claims his antichristness Benedict XVI is no longer about the money, but brother check this out! Pope Wears Prada, And Italy’s Abuzz – Benedict Emerges as Virtual Fashion Celeb

    VATICAN CITY — Whether it’s Prada and Gucci, or just fancy ecclesiastical tailoring, Pope Benedict XVI is his own man when it comes to dressing.

    Just days before Christmas, Benedict showed up at his weekly public audience in St. Peter’s Square wearing a fur-trimmed stocking cap that could have passed for a Santa Claus hat.

    Earlier this month, he made another fashion statement — donning a red velvet cape trimmed in ermine for the traditional papal visit to the statue of the Madonna near the Spanish Steps that marks the beginning of Rome’s Christmas season.

    Coming after gossip about his wearing Gucci sunglasses and bright red Prada loafers, the vintage styles have turned Benedict into something of a fashion celebrity.

    “Those red shoes have made quite an impression,” said Vatican historian Alberto Melloni.

    Benedict’s predecessor, John Paul II, had no use for fancy papal attire. Most often he put on the basic white cassock and white gold-trimmed sash. In winter, however, he enjoyed a crimson wool cloak trimmed in gold braid, at times allowing children to play hide and seek in its deep folds.

    The 78-year-old Benedict lacks John Paul’s natural charisma, and the trappings of Vatican splendor may be a way to compensate.

    Charles I think the 5 year old boy is still with us and LEADING THEM!

    Isaiah 3:12 (New American Standard Bible)

    12 O My people! Their oppressors are children,
    And women rule over them
    O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
    And confuse the direction of your paths.

    Now be nice while you give the guy in Prada all your money 😆

    :mrgreen:

    I will note, that Karl passing up threads like these is the smartest thing we’ve ever seen of him, but even he will admit Benedict is no good!

  31. Charles D. said

    IC

    There was a special by the couple that cooks for the pope (a small sampling may be available on Nightline website), it reflects his taste, the special way he likes his meals prepared, and it showed the cooks sweating bullets during each meal.

    Well before the pope made it to the Vatican he knew full well the amount of finances that circulate in the Vatican Bank(s), that all of his expenses are covered, and that he could not think of anything that he could not have, including the “hushmouth” gang that insured that not a single vowel would be spilled.

    When one reaches that level, on Maslowe’s chart the pope is functioning at level 5. For an example; JFK, Rockerfoller, the Rothchilds, Bill Gates, and Buffet are probably at 4. Self-actualization is beneath the pope. That song about Money with regards to the pope goes: “Money can buy EVERYTHING, thats true, but what it can’t buy the pope can’t use…he loves the money”

    Chas

  32. Pam said

    Thanks for the link regarding the Pope’s fashion. True to form you left out the rest of the article that balances what you’ve included. The rest of the article reads:

    “But those who know Joseph Ratzinger from his years as head of the Vatican’s doctrinal office dismiss any notion of vanity in the new pope’s dressing habits.

    “He wouldn’t know Gucci from Smoochi,” said Marjorie Weeke, a former official at the Vatican’s Social Communications office. She recalled Ratzinger’s daily walk across St. Peter’s Square from his home just outside the Vatican walls to his office, wearing a black beret and black overcoat and carrying a worn leather briefcase.

    “He probably donned the cape because it was in the papal closet and would keep him warm on a winter evening,” she said of the mozzetta.

    A need to keep warm would also solve the sweater mystery.

    When he came out on the balcony of St. Peter’s Basilica to give his first blessing minutes after his election April 19, an inappropriate black sweater peeked out from under the cuff of his hurriedly donned white cassock. Apparently there was no heating in the Sistine Chapel where the conclave was held, and the new pope might have needed some woolen comfort.

    Another fashion issue in the news recently: papal hemlines.

    During Benedict’s first public appearances, his cassock was way above the ankle, revealing white socks and bright red footwear. The hem was soon lowered a few inches, although he still prefers a sporty around-the-ankle look instead of having the cassock draped over the shoes.”

  33. you left out the rest of the article that balances what you’ve included.

    You mean that tries to cover for the obvious opulence.

    The real Apostles were perpetually homeless suffering spectacles for the world to see and abuse, 1 Corinthians 4. While your antichrist runs his own city-state!

    The Truth About Peter and Roman Catholic Lies.

    Pam, the Bible is the final authority regarding the Word of God.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New American Standard Bible)

    16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

    17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

    And what the Apostles were writing along with what those near them were recording has been affirmed scripture and in agreement with all that is in scripture.

    While your cult has made up and embraced things that totally fall out of agreement with scripture. Proving it is a cult.

    Which is why the garbage you keep was rejected and the Bible has 66 books.

    When a true Apostle spoke, it could be checked against scripture.

    Acts 17:10-12 (New American Standard Bible)

    10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.

    11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

    12 Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.

    So no matter how you try to explain it all away, we know you’re promoting a cult, because it fails the test of SCRIPTURE.

    For example, your cult teaches Mary plays a role in salvation, when she does not.

  34. Pam said

    No the Pope is not homeless, but neither are you or millions of other protestant pastors. However, he is abused and put down here on this website and probably many others.

    “Pam, the Bible is the final authority regarding the Word of God.”
    WHERE does it say scripture is the final authority??
    Note that 2 Timothy 3:16 states that ALL scripture is inspired not ONLY scripture. And in Timothy the scripture that is being referred to is the Old Testament.

    1 Timothy 3:15 states

    “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.”

    The bible states the church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not the Bible.

    The problem with Bible alone is that it is not a self interpreting book. This is why we have so many denominations. Tradition is supported in the following: John 21:25, 1 Cor. 11:2, 2 Tim. 1:13-14, 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim 2:1-2, 2 Peter 1:20-21,
    2 John 12

  35. The title “pastor” does not attempt to be “Apostle” as his antichristness Benedict XVI does. So the measure is not the same. I could go deeper with you on this, but you don’t really read the Bible. Anyway, pastors/elders were never homeless, Apostles were. Paul an apostle made it clear that elders were to be taken care of although he worked free of charge, he being an apostle, 1 Corinthians 9.

    If you want to compare me exposing your antichrist on a web site to what the Apostles endured… Oh I won’t even get into it, it requires you know what’s in the Bible and you do not.

    The NT scriptures were being affirmed as written, as the epistles of Paul were BY THE REAL PETER.
    2 Peter 3:14-16 (New American Standard Bible)

    14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,

    15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,

    16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    And we see you, the cult educated, who take scripture and distort it. Now I’ve shown you how even Apostles were checked against scripture and you come back with distorted scripture. Here’s what that verse really says.

    1 Timothy 3:14-15 (New American Standard Bible)

    14 I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long;

    15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

    Your hack job Roman Catholic New American Bible translation is MISSING KEY WORDS. The NASB which is translated direct from the earliest manuscripts that are KEPT BY YOUR VATICAN show that Paul was writing so Timothy would know how one should conduct themselves in the household of God, the church, the pillar and SUPPORT of the truth. The apostles and prophets laid the foundation.

    Ephesians 2:20 (New American Standard Bible)

    20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

    Notice, the corner stone is Christ, not Peter. The Apostles and the prophets set the foundation.

    1 Corinthians 3:10-11 (New American Standard Bible)

    10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.

    11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    Your cult is the foundation for apostasy. You have strayed from the foundation and ignore the words of the real apostles, which were given to show HOW TO ACT IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. You deny the authority of the scriptures.

    If you would read 1 Timothy 3 in full (in a decent translation) you would see that Paul was giving instructions on the order of the church and closed telling Timothy if he could not make it the instructions were IN THE LETTER. A letter PETER AFFIRMED.

    Your “tradition” is the tradition of men. Peter was not your “pope”. Peter was not the apostle to saints in Rome, Paul was. And Matthew 23 refutes all we see in Roman Catholicism.

    Yes Jesus had more to tell His Apostles, which He did via the Holy Spirit AND IS RECORDED IN SCRIPTURE. Scripture is the SURE WORD OF GOD.

    2 Peter 1:16-21 (New American Standard Bible)

    16 For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

    17 For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”–

    18 and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

    19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

    20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,

    21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

    But you keep following that antichrist in the dunce cap.

  36. Pam said

    It is very funny how you can tell me what i believe because i wouldn’t know. Right? Because I’m in a cult.

    You don’t need to tell me what i believe. You dont need to tell me I dont read the Bible. And you dont need to make immature, rude, and irrelevant comments.

    The church does not deny the authority of scripture. However, they do recognize SACRED tradition to have authority also.

    “the church, the pillar and SUPPORT of the truth. The apostles and prophets laid the foundation.”

    I don’t find much of a difference between the words support and foundation. It still claims the CHURCH is the pillar and support of truth. The apostles laid the foundation for truth by oral tradition and written. Jesus commanded all the apostles to go and preach the Gospel(Good News). Only a few apostles have books in the Bible, but does that mean the other apostles have nothing to teach?

    We, the Catholic Church, acknowledge that Christ is the cornerstone and the Apostles and the prophets laid the foundation. BUT, Peter was made the LEADER of the apostles, remaining one of them, NOT divine or any such thing that YOU claim the Church teaches. Also, the Old Testament is FULL of men having authority from God. Why couldn’t Jesus have appointed a man to have authority over his church?

    Does the Bible mention abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, and contraception as being wrong. No, it doesn’t. Leaving everyone to decide for themselves weather these are right or wrong will lead to chaos which is what we are experiencing today. Without a living authority to decide, people can easily claim ignorance.

  37. Follower of traditions of men says:

    It still claims the CHURCH is the pillar and support of truth.

    This does not mean anything calling it’s self “church” can make up anything it wants or justify it just because the same cult has claimed it as “tradition” for years. (Hasn’t your cult piled up enough bodies to understand this yet?) Your traditions fall out of line with scripture. If what you were doing was in line with scripture, this thread would not exist.

    Only a few apostles have books in the Bible, but does that mean the other apostles have nothing to teach?

    It means you use the documented Word of God and not contrived “tradition”. Or would you have called it “tradition” if you met Peter before Paul admonished Peter about his partiality towards Gentiles? Peter was an apostle, he did it, so did that automatically make it good? NO! That’s called FALLIBILITY. This is why SCRIPTURE must be the final authority, IT IS THE SURE WORD. Even an Apostle has to be in line with the Word of God or what they are doing should be REJECTED. This is something I covered with you in detail earlier.

    Galatians 1:8-9 (New American Standard Bible)

    8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

    9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

    Let your dunce cap wearing ecumenical salvation cult leader be ACCURSED and all who agree with him.

    We have what is preached in THE BIBLE and if you can’t be in agreement with THE BIBLE than you’re out of line with the SURE WORD OF GOD.

    Peter was made the LEADER of the apostles

    Well let’s check the SURE WORD.

    Acts 1:8 (New American Standard Bible)

    8 but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

    I’m not seeing where Jesus told the Apostles “listen to what Peter says”.

    When they needed a replacement for Judas, did Peter pick Matthias? NO! They drew lots, they all were involved in the process.

    What you’re missing is, PETER WAS NEVER A POPE OF YOUR CULT! At best, the Apostle Peter only was in Rome to OPPOSE your first pope.

    Peter, the real apostle Peter, not the fraud who was your first “pope”, was the one who first spoke the gospel to the Gentiles, Acts 15:7. After he performed that duty, the ministry of being Apostle to the Gentiles went to Paul. Peter did not select Paul to be an apostle, the Holy Spirit did.

    Why couldn’t Jesus have appointed a man to have authority over his church?

    Because HE is the Head of HIS CHURCH!

    Colossians 1:18 (New American Standard Bible)

    18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

    I am part of a church with Christ in authority over His church, you are part of a cult that has a man over it.

    Follower of man says:

    Does the Bible mention abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, and contraception as being wrong. No, it doesn’t. Leaving everyone to decide for themselves weather these are right or wrong will lead to chaos which is what we are experiencing today. Without a living authority to decide, people can easily claim ignorance.

    These things ARE addressed in scripture for those who can rightly divide the Word and have the Holy Spirit teaching.

    1 John 2:27 (New American Standard Bible)

    27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

    Christ heads and leads His Church, it is not the authority of a man. The Holy Spirit’s anointing teaches and guides saints in truth. All through Jesus Christ to the glory of the Father. Not the Roman Catholic papacy. So I will stick with the anointing and you can stick with the guy in the dunce cap! The accursed man who teaches things contrary to the Bible and has you over exalt Mary and treat her like she plays a role in salvation.

  38. Karl said

    IC,

    one can feel the pure, unmitigated hatred that you bear the Catholic Church, The Pope, and The Blessed Virgin Mary. It is the same unmitigated hatred Luther had for the Popes of his day. It stems from the pride. And unfortunately, whether you know it or not, it has been passed on from your forefathers, the founders of protestantism, on to you, and to all protestants. It will lead you to fall into the dark abyss, just like your forefathers fell, and just the father of your forefathers, Lucifer, was hurled.

    Hatred has darkened your reasoning faculties that I am compelled to try to enlighten your dark mind, but also to defend the Catholic Church by combating your erroneous statements.

    This is why SCRIPTURE must be the final authority,

    The most striking reason for rejecting this statement is that there is not one verse anywhere in the Bible in which it is taught, and it therefore becomes a self-refuting doctrine. We will believe if you could be kind enough to show us exactly which verses in the Bible say SCRIPTURE is the final authority.

    On the contrary, the clearest Biblical support for oral tradition can be found in 2 Thessalonians 2:14, where Christians are actually commanded: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” This passage is significant in that it,

    1) shows the existence of living traditions within the Apostolic teaching,
    2) tells us unequivocally that believers are firmly grounded in the Faith by adhering to these traditions, and
    3) clearly states that these traditions were both written and oral.

    Since the Bible distinctly states here that oral traditions – authentic and Apostolic in origin – are to be held as a valid component of the Deposit of Faith, by what reasoning do protestants dismiss them? By whose authority do they reject a clear-cut injunction of St. Paul?

    Even an Apostle has to be in line with the Word of God or what they are doing should be REJECTED

    Biblical scholars tell us that the last book of the New Testament was not written until the end of the 1st century A.D., around the year 100 A.D. This fact would leave roughly a 65-year gap between Our Lord’s Ascension into Heaven and the completion of the Bible as we know it. The question that begs to be asked, therefore, is this: “If Scripture be the final authority, then who or what served as the final, infallible authority during that time?”

    If Scripture were the sole rule of faith, then since the Church existed for a time without the entire written Word of God, there would have been situations and doctrinal issues which could not have been resolved until all of the New Testament books were complete. The ship would have been left without a rudder for at least for a time, which would contradict the statements and promises that Our Lord made about His Church particularly, “behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world” (Matt. 28:20); moreover He told His disciples: “I will not leave you orphans.” (John 14:18).

    When Jesus Christ wished to establish His Church, He gathered round Him twelve chosen disciples, to whom He gave the name of Apostles (sent). He created them at once priests and bishops, and gave them power to elect other bishops, who should be their successors in the episcopacy, and other priests subordinate to the bishops, who should succeed in the priesthood. Since Christ was to ascend into heaven, He could not remain visibly on earth and govern His Church in person. Therefore He established in His place a vicar appointed to govern in His name His Church on earth. His choice fell on Simon Peter, who thus became the superior of the apostolic college and the visible head of the whole Church. Christ is the INVISIBLE head of the Catholic Church. The following verses show that He first promised, and then conferred upon Peter and his successors this supreme authority.

    “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church?” (In Matt. xvi. 18,).

    With these words we see that after Christ, the foundation of the Church of God was built on Peter. Next, our Lord promised the spiritual supremacy to Peter with the words,

    “And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”/strong> (Matt. 16. 19)

    After promising supremacy to Peter, Christ fulfilled His promise in John xxi. 15. 16. 17 with the words, “Feed my Lambs, Feed my Sheep”

    He thus charged Peter with the superintendency of all His sheep, without exception and consequently of his whole flock, which is his own church. Consequently, if Peter was not the chief of the apostles, he would not have been given the responsibility of Shepard of Christ’s sheep. And if the Apostles were of equal authority, protestants themselves would not have Primates, Archbishops, Bishops.

    I am part of a church with Christ in authority over His church

    Protestant sects do not exhibit the four distinctive marks of the Church established by The Divine Founder. These are UNITY, HOLINESS, UNIVERSALITY (from the Greek word Katholicos, meaning Universal), and APOSTOLICITY. These marks are the very essence of the Church, and they can be seen by all; they are visible signs by which she is known all over the universe.

    If your Church exhibits these characteristics then you belong to the true Church. Otherwise you shall hear those final, terrible, and irrevocable words “I know you not!” (Matt. 25:12) and “Depart from me you cursed, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Matt. 25:41)

    These things ARE addressed in scripture for those who can rightly divide the Word and have the Holy Spirit teaching.

    We read in 2 Peter 3:16 that in Paul’s epistles there are “certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest [distort], as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.” In this one verse we note three very important things about the Bible and its interpretation:

    a) the Bible contains passages which are not readily understandable or clear, a fact which demonstrates the need for an authoritative and infallible teacher to make the passages clear and understandable
    b) it is not only possible that people could “wrest” or distort the meaning of Scripture, but this was, in fact, being done from the very earliest days of the Church
    c) to distort the meaning of Scripture can result in one’s “destruction,” a disastrous fate indeed.

    It is obvious from these considerations that Peter did not believe the Bible to be the sole rule of faith. But there is more.

    In Acts 8:26-40 we read the account of the deacon St. Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch. In this scenario, the Holy Spirit leads Philip to approach the Ethiopian when Philip learns that the Ethiopian is reading from the prophet Isaias, he asks him a very telling question: “Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?” Even more telling is the answer given by the Ethiopian: “And how can I, unless some man show me?”

    Philip is not one of the twelve Apostles, but was nonetheless commissioned by the Apostles (cf. Acts 6:6) and preached the Gospel with authority (cf. Acts 8:4-8). Consequently, his preaching would reflect legitimate Apostolic teaching. The point here is that the Ethiopian’s statement verifies the fact that the Bible is not sufficient in itself as a teacher of Christian doctrine, and people who hear the Word do need an authority to instruct them properly so that they may understand what the Bible says. If the Bible were indeed sufficient of itself, then the eunuch would not have been ignorant of the meaning of the passage from Isaias.

    There is also 2 Peter 1:20, which says, “no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.”

    This was quite prophetic and here we see the Bible itself stating in no uncertain terms that its prophecies are not a matter for which the individual is to arrive at his own interpretation, as is the case with protestant sects and evangelists of every type and color. It is also most telling that this verse is preceded by a section on the Apostolic witness (verses 12-18) and followed by a section on false teachers (chapter 2, verses 1-10). St. Peter is obviously contrasting genuine, Apostolic teaching with false prophets and false teachers, and he makes reference to private interpretation as the pivotal point between the two. The clear implication is that private interpretation is one pathway whereby an individual turns from authentic teaching and begins to follow erroneous teaching.

  39. Pam said

    IC

    I must say that your response regarding the teaching of modern sins such as abortion, contraception and embryonic stem cell research etc is absolutely RIDICULOUS. What does the Baptist church teach, Presbyterian, Lutheran etc..??? I do not think they have a unified nor authoritative response to these and if they do there are thousands of other denominations that simply state: follow your conscience. Sorry, you scored absolutely no points on that one.
    Did you ever stop to think that each pastor is a pope unto himself, or each church member for that matter. You read the Bible, are absolutely assured that the Holy Spirit is leading you into the correct interpretation. Then, when another church member or your pastor says you are wrong, you can just go off and start your own church. With each person having authority to interpret for himself, each “church” has NO authority. The Scriptures become watered down and distorted to their own destruction. Having NO authority has not worked as well as Luther had thought.

    You do not see that it was Luther that started YOUR cult. That YOUR cult is based on “traditions of men” Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide was initiated by Luther. Then he took out parts of the Bible and added words. Why would you follow such a TRADITION? I guess you must have some deluded reasons.

    One last Scripture: 3 John verse 9-10 “I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, (or Independent Conservative) who loves to dominate, does not acknowledge us. Therefore, if I come, I will draw attention to what he is doing, spreading evil nonsense about us. And not content with that, he will not receive the brothers, hindering those who wish to do so and expelling them from the church.”

    IC, you love to dominate, you are so sure that you are right about the RCC that you cannot see reason. You make yourself “infallible” in your conclusions of Scripture, Church history, etc. and anyone who does not agree with you is labeled “cult”. “There are none so blind than those who WILL not see.” Karl was right regarding your hatred. It is not for us to know why you are so bitter, but make no mistake, Jesus cannot abide in such a hardened heart. May the grace of our Lord, Jesus Christ, enter your heart and your intellect so that you may ponder some of what has been presented to you.

  40. Charles D. said

    IC

    What’s really RIDICULOUS is the line of thinking that any sin is modern!

    “is I must say that your response regarding the teaching of modern sins such as abortion, contraception and embryonic stem cell research etc is absolutely RIDICULOUS.”

    I have an excellent read that maybe you should refer the “mini-pope.” “Our Fathers: The secret life of the Catholic Church in an age of Sacadal” by David France. If you spring for the postage, I’ll be happy to ship it to you.

    The you can expect a bunch of deny,deny, he didn’t do it. 😉

  41. Charles D. said

    IC…
    Do you know whether Pam is a RCC follower?

    IWEL BIHAAHSAR it will not help Karl

  42. Pam said

    Alright Charles D. lets not beat around the bush and get nit picky about modern sin. How about we grow up and address the questions and issues. What you say does not intimidate me and is REALLY immature. What is really ridiculous is thinking you think your bitter comments will “lead” anyone to your “church”. So you think that ancient Israel was really struggling with weather or not to do research on frozen embryos or euthenizing terminally ill patients to transplant their organs. hmmm perhaps these could be considered “modern” sins.

  43. Charles, Pam and Karl need to go run off and get married.

    I’ll leave them both to wallow in their own mire. (As you know, I told Karl I have no communicado with him way back, after showing him the cult Mary worship is evil.)

    And Pam can chat with Karl about his own statements AGAINST antichrist Benedict XVI and John Paul II, while they are on their honeymoon together.

    And Charles, notice how Pammy does not see 3 John 1:9-11 in how her cult claims they are the “one true church” and those who differed with them THEY BURNED. Now their current antichrist has affirmed he feels their cult is the “one true church”, but she’s feeling it’s OK when Benedict claims he has it correct. Pammy the hypocrite. Standing on scripture from the REAL APOSTLES is something they never have allowed. How many bodies do we need count to prove it?

    As I said Charles, I’m leaving them to wallow in their mire, but here’s something to ponder. Direct from the latest Roman Catholic Catechism.

    969

    969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

    While Jesus said.

    Luke 11:27-28 (New American Standard Bible)

    27 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.”

    28 But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

    No Apostle of the Lord Jesus ever said Mary played any role in any part of salvation, spiritual gifts, intercession, or that she is any sort of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix, but Karl and Pam enjoy that mess. It puts Mary on par with Christ and makes a 4 person God. Or some innumerable person deity if you include their feelings that their deemed “saints” can intercede on their behalf.

    2683 The witnesses who have preceded us into the kingdom, especially those whom the Church recognizes as saints, share in the living tradition of prayer by the example of their lives, the transmission of their writings, and their prayer today. They contemplate God, praise him and constantly care for those whom they have left on earth. When they entered into the joy of their Master, they were “put in charge of many things.” Their intercession is their most exalted service to God’s plan. We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world.

    Just like they see scripture as being insufficient alone, they see Christ as insufficient alone, as the One who intercedes.

    I’ll let them keep eating their vomit, because they’re enjoying it so.

    The Truth About Peter and Roman Catholic Lies!

  44. Charles D. said

    Alright Pam, I do like your straight-forwardnes, and had my comment been directed to you, you get a point in one-upsmansjip as well. Two things: 1) regarding “modern sin” and ancient Israel, I am leaning only on scripture, that there is nothing new under the sun, EVERYTHING that is done now has been dne before. and 2) far be it that I would expect to lead anyone to my “church.” First, we are not a numbers sensitive organism of Christ. Also, what we do as a church is done in the community. spread the gospel, then, it is the prompting of the Holy Spirit, part of His ministry as to whether all or any associate with the church. You will however, have to admit that research on frozen embryos or euthenizing terminally ill patients to transplant their organs issues may be political issues to you, maybe even spiritual issues with you; but everyone do not necessarily share your feeling about them.

    Finally, it is not that I didn’t expect you to respond with both guns a blazing: IWEL BIHAA Her Smart A Response
    You don’t lack spunk.

  45. Charles, I’ve got a comment awaiting approval, that will appear just before your most recent comment once it is approved. Which will make your comment #44 and so on.

  46. Charles D. said

    Thanks.

    I will be on at church today. Look forward to talking with you then.

    Be Blessed.

  47. Pam said

    Why do you say abortion or embryonic stem cell research is a political issue? Opinions?? Either it is sinful or not. There must be something God has to say about it. We can’t relegate it to the “political opinion arena” as if we’re choosing chocolate or vanilla ice cream or raising or lowering taxes. This is human life we’re talking about, gifts from God, and you categorize it as political. We will be held responsible for not speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves. The Bible is not clear on surrogate motherhood or in-vitro fertilization so where does this leave us?? To our own opinions not to Truth.

    Just as Eve played a role in man’s fall, so Mary, (the NEW EVE to the NEW ADAM, Jesus) plays a role in our salvation. Not because of anything she has on her own, but because that is how God’s plan has been from the beginning of time. Rev 12:17 refers to Mary’s children as “those who keep God’s commandments”. She is my mother just as she is all Christians’ mother.

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