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Has Jesus Christ Always Been The Son Of The Father?

Posted by Job on March 31, 2008

Saw a reference to this article by John MacArthur asserting so on the post SEMPER REFORMANDA of The Ebony Puritan Forum. I was of the opinion that the Father – Son relationship only referred to the incarnation and did not exist prior. I have read MacArthur’s treatise asserting otherwise, and I must say that I am unconvinced. What are your thoughts?

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12 Responses to “Has Jesus Christ Always Been The Son Of The Father?”

  1. So if the Son did not exists as His own being and with the Father as the Son before being in the womb of Mary, how do you explain the following?

    Hebrews 1:1-2, if Jesus, the Son of God made the world, for that scripture to make any sense He had to exists prior to the womb of Mary as the Son.

    Hebrews 8:3-6, who was speaking? Who is the “He” who now has a more excellent ministry?

    Colossians 1:15-19, who made it all and by whom do all things consist? Who did the Father have the fullness dwell in?

    John 12:49-50, when did the Father give the commandment to the Son? This had to occur prior to incarnation. Meaning both Father and Son existed before.

    John 6:62, where was Jesus before?

    And if you don’t feel Jesus existed as the Son before incarnation, I’m not sure how you explain John 17:5?

    Who is the LORD who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18? Keep in mind John 1:18.

    John 17:24 who did the Father give us to and love before the foundation of the world?

    John 8:58, the Son is co-eternal with the Father.

    Brother, the Son has very much always been.

  2. Job said

    IC:

    Oh, do not get me wrong, I am not an Arian or Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon. I know that Jesus Christ has eternally existed and was not created. I just thought that He took on the role of Son and Servant of the Lord at the time of His incarnation. Please realize that the Nation of Israel was also called the son and servant of the Lord in Isaiah. Then Jesus Christ came to fill that role, and the church is the son of the Lord by adoption and by virtue of being Jesus Christ’s body.

    But hey, you have me some scriptures for me to study, so I will do just that. I have to admit, viewing the Sonship of Jesus Christ as a role that He took on for the purposes of redemption made my conception of the Godhead simpler. But if scripture does not support that simplicity, then I have to discard it!

  3. Being the “son” is not the same as being The “Son”. We are children of God, but we are not The Son 😉 .

  4. You know Proverbs 8 is very interesting reading 🙂 .

  5. Jimmy said

    Here is an interesting Scripture:

    “Who has ascended to heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped the waters in his garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?” (obviously, God, right?) “What is his name and his son’s name? Surely you know!”

    Proverbs 30:5 NAS

  6. Good find Jimmy! Proverbs 30:4 is a really good example.

    Psalm 110 speaks about Jesus although the term “Son” is not used. Functionally, it says everything except the word “Son”.

  7. Jimmy said

    IC, thanks for the correction. I must not have been paying attention to what I was typing. Thanks again.

  8. Jesusman said

    Congratulations, Job! God is revealing His truth to you and you’re finally starting to come around! Your assertion about the Father-Son relationship beginning at the Incarnation is a central tenet of Oneness doctrine. Before that time, Jesus was the Word. He became the Son at the Incarnation. Happy to have you on board!!

  9. Coram Deo said

    Job,

    The Father didn’t covenant with the impersonal “Word” before creation to give Him an inheritance (the church), nor did the Father utilize the impersonal “Word” during creation, it was the eternal Son Who has always been present with the Father with Whom, and by Whom, and through Whom everything that exists was brought into existence and in whom we live and move and have our being.

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (John 17:5)

  10. Charles D. said

    Just how insecure is your faith and it’s standing, that you would attempt to hang a false tag via Job when you have always know. BUT! All is not lost and there is an object lesson here for you Haysusman and that is: Just because you say it doesn’t make it true; the same as the claims you make about oneness doen’t make that true, either.

    Don’t believe me? Well, Job is of age and I am sure that he will set you straight, pick you up and set you straight again.

    Charles

  11. Coram Deo, Amen brother!

  12. Jesusman said

    Charles, just because I say it doesn’t make it true. That is correct. That is why I rely on the Bible to say it for me. I have read my Bible cover to cover many times and I can’t seem to find “trinity”, “eternal son”, “God the Son”, or “three persons”. It didn’t take me long however, to find Deuteronomy 6:4.

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