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Jamal-Harrison Bryant and Gizzelle Bryant Divorcing

Posted by Job on January 12, 2008

See link to article. It includes links to their divorce filings that articulate the reasons for the divorce. Though Bryant’s church is denominational, he is a prosperity teacher.

Jamal-Harrison Bryant and His Wife Gizzelle Bryant are Heading to Divorce Court.

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102 Responses to “Jamal-Harrison Bryant and Gizzelle Bryant Divorcing”

  1. Mark Camp said

    Jamal should be ashamed of himself. He’s lost a beautiful wife and family. He’s also lost a lot of respect from his church members and other Christians. His wife is BEAUTIFUL. I pray that God puts a devoted and God fearing husband in her life that will love her and her kids the way God loves the church. I really hate to hear this news.

    • Yolanda Clark said

      It is ao amazing how people are so jugmental. I have the up most respect for Pastor Jamal Bryant, because he was man enough to admit that he did it. People with title’s are no diffenet the people with out. We all have everyday thing’s that way are working out. It is the people that put ministers up there like we are so much better and if we have it all together. No matter what he has done Pastor Jamal is still an ANOINTED MAN OF GOD, and people need to keep their mouth off of him. God has forgive him so why can’t man? TOUCH NOT THE ANOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM. PLEASE KEEP YOUR MOUTH OFF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD.

      • Job said

        Yolanda:

        And your evidence that Jamal Harrison Bryant was called by God to preach is what exactly? And why is it that you feel that Bryant does not have to meet the qualifications for pastors as laid out by scripture? Is your desire to please man, or to please God? Is man you standard, or is God your standard? Is your Master God, or are you your own master? Are you one who does what is right in your own eyes?

        • GOD'S CHILD said

          What happen was horrlble but nevertheless he is still a man of God and we cannot take that away from him. God has forgiven him so why is it hard for the so called “people of God” forgive him? you all listened to everything he had to say at first now all of a sudden he falls short and everybody has something to say….the devil is a lie. LET HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!!!!!!!!!

          • Remy said

            The Devil comes after everybody, no one os off limit, So if the Devil can get you to take youe eye off God, then you will fall. But God forgives and bring you out. and the more anointed you are harder the Fall will be. Sin is sin, but if you repent yours sins then God will deal will you, and we as people of God need not judge, But he shouldn’t just get away with it I’m pretty God is dealing with him about his mistakes.

        • TT said

          You are suppose to use the bible for all aspects of life…and the bible does outline the lifestyle that is to be upheld by preachers and everybody else. However, like Yolanda said, God appoints people (in which case we all fall short of God’s glory which Apostle Paul said) & if they aren’t faithful or fall off the wagon sort-to-speak then HE alone does the judging and chastising. Take a look at all the great men in the bible that GOD himself used for his purpose (David commmitted adultry, out-right murder to cover up the adultry, & a book of other sins but God said he was a man after his own heart, Abraham disobeyed God to many times to count, Moses did the same thing and one of his acts of disobiendence caused him not to go into the Promised Land…he only could look at it from afar). Bottom line God uses us for his purpose & if we dont do it he will chasten us how HE sees fit, but don’t 4get if we truly Repent his is just to forgive although we will still have to reap consequences of the choices we make. Whatever we sow we shall also reap, God wont go against his word because he is the word. When leaders make mistakes we talk about it to our friends & express our dissapointment but we as Christians should pray for them because they are human to and when WE stand before the judgement seat of Christ, all of our dirt will come out to.

    • doretha dennis said

      it happens a lot .i have been seeing a 42 year old man that was just made pastor of his church. he has been married for 17 years and they have been together for 22 years. I really don’t know how we can keep going on like this living a lie its been over a year and i couldn’t tell anyone i could never hurt him like that even if it is wrong.things happen and u cant help who you love .he says his marriage is important ,but he doesn’t want to stop seeing me

      • Poetee said

        What do you mean ” even if it is wrong” you know it’s wrong! Don’t even go there with the cast the first stone thing, Jesus himself did it excise the woman ( who by the way was not a pastor) Jesus told her, he did not condem her but go and sin “no more”. You and the pastor gets caught and exposed then you will say, oops forgive us we did not mean it. How about this one. It is written: there has no temptation taken you such as common to man, and God will not allow you to be tempted above that which you are able to bear, but with that temptation, he will make a way out. Let God be true and every man a liar- you guys are liars. You quote by saying David did this and that, but David did not lie when he was rebuked. What ever you do Lord, don’t take your joy from me. These people do not want to lose their position or money. When you are a liar admit that you are a liar, because Gods word is clear! A whorish woman brings a man to his knees, the adulterer will leave him begging for bread. I have seen over and over again women like you make excuses for your actions and to be honest you are just a practicing whore going to church bringing shame to a man and his family. Stop rationalizing your sin and come out from that bondage Satan has hooked you in! Mit is written: My sheep hear my voice and follow me. It is written: Love covers a multitude of sins. Sister, I am older and wiser now and not trying to hurt your feelingsand I’m not casting a stone at you, but using a corner stone to lay a foundation of truth. Come up out of that before Satan uses it to destroy that family- ask that guy to forgive you, let him go to his wife and you get away from that family!

  2. Charles D. said

    WoW, it’s a tough read anytime you read about Christians, for whatever reason, experiencing an ungodly event in their lives. Really sorry.

    I agree with Mark and others of my brothers and sisters whom I’m sure will comment later.

    Charles

  3. DOMINIQUE said

    WHEN MAN TRIES TO PUT TOGETHER A UNION THAT GOD SHOULD MAKE SHAT DO WE REALLY EXPECT? NOTHING OTHER THAN A DIVORCE. REV. BRYANT IS DOING NOTHING THAT OTHER PREACHERS HAVE NOT DONE BEFORE HIM. HE WAS YOUNG WHEN HE MARRIED AND ITS SAD TO SAY THAT IN THE CHURCH ESPECIALLY THE AME CHURCH IT IS AN UNSPOKEN EXPECTATION THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET MARRIED ESPECIALLY AS A PREACHER. I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE REV BRYANT PREACH LIVE AND IN COLOR AT FIRST AME IN OAKLAND AND THAT MAN IS REALLY AN ANNOINTED MAN OF GOD. BUT WE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FOLLOWERS OF GOD FORGET THAT THE PREACHERS ARE HUMAN AND BATTLE THEIR FLESH EACH AND EVERYDAY ON A QUEST OF SALVATION JUST LIKE WE DO. SO THEREFORE STOP QUESTIONING THEIR ANNOINTING THAT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THEM BY GOD BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU OR I THEY ARE STILL FIGHTING THE ARROWS SHOT AT THEM THE DEVIL. HE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A UNION HIMSELF AND DID NOT ALLOW GOD TO PUT IT TOGETHER SO OF COURSE IT IS DESTINED TO FAIL. AND BESIDES THIS YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAS GONE ON IN HIS HOUSEHOLD OR HOW HE TRIED TO FIGHT FOR HIS MARRIAGE OR THE LACK THERE OF ALL. ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT THE PRESS RELEASES.

  4. DOMINIQUE said

    ONE MORE THING….TO MARK: HIS DIVORCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS LOVE FOR KIDS. I AM SURE THAT HE WOULD LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THE KIDS THAT HE HAS FATHERED.

    • Poetee said

      Domonique please speak for yourself when you say we forget when it is you and others like you who seem you forget. if a woman is coming after you like that, tell your wife is what I heard a pastor say before as he did when he first started. his wife took care of it! a young lady I worked with husband was telling her how this lady at work was coming after him. He used Godly wisdom at an offce Christmas party by introducing this women to his wife by saying sweet heart, this is the woman I have been telling you aout.
      Domonique, you forget about Joseph running from the kings wife, what about Job suffering all manners of afflictions? All this was before Christ died on the cross.
      It is written: no greater love than this, that a man would lay done his life for a friend. It is written: men love your wives as Christ loved the church, even gave his life for it.
      So as you continue to follow a man, the rest of us will continue to seek God with all our hearts so we may not sin against Him and search scriptures, to see if those things spoken are true- while we still have access to His word. P.S. Satan also used scriptures to tempt Jesus after Jesus had fasted forty days, but Jesus answered: It is written.
      Love covers a multitude of sins. Dont be so emotional over this. God is in control of all Christians. Study Romans 9. Read Luke 6:26, Mark 12:30-31, Galatians 5:16-23, psalm119:11,Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 16:25

  5. Job said

    DOMINIQUE:

    So I take it that you have no interest in what the Bible says about the qualifications for a preacher, or for that matter about anything else. All you care about is the impression that Jamal Harrison – Bryant made on you personally, and because of that impression Harrison – Bryant should not be held to Biblical standards. Well let me ask you: would you feel the same way were Harrison – Bryant white instead of black? (I am black also by the way.) What about if he were an obscure unknown local preacher instead of a powerful celebrity on worldwide television? What if he wasn’t a gifted charismatic orator but rather someone humble and simple, and with a dry delivery?

    Oh, and your saying that it is unfair that preachers should be expected to marry … are you advocating his living a lifestyle of fornication instead? If the Bible is not your standard, then what is?

  6. DOMINIQUE said

    NO SIR NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT I AM SAYING. GIVE ME A SECOND LET ME READ WHAT I PREVIOUSLY WROTE AGAIN……OK NO I THINK I SAID EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT. BUT YOU HAVE GONE OUT AND PICKED WHAT YOU WANTED OUT OF MY RESPONSE INSTEAD OF RESPONDING TO THE ENTIRE CONTEXT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS JUST LIKE AND EACH AND EVERYONE ELSE HE IS STILL A MAN AND AS SUCH YOU HAVE TO BE ON A QUEST EVERYDAY TO KILL YOUR FLESH SO THAT GOD CAN LIVE THROUGH YOU AND USE YOU IN A WAY THAT HE SEES FIT. ANOTHER THING IS THAT GOD ALSO KNOWS THAT WE ARE ALL SINNERS AND HAVE FALLEN SHORT BUT WE ARE ALSO TO BE ON A STEADY STRIVE TOWARD BEING CHRIST LIKE. HE HAS FALLEN AND HE DID FORNICATE AND HE GAVE INTO HIS FLESH BUT YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE HAS ALSO FALLEN TO HIS KNEES AND CRIED OUT AND ASKED GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. YOU DON’T KNOW HOW HE HAS ALSO POSSIBLY GONE TO HIS WIFE AND ASKED HER FOR FORGIVENESS. IF GOD CAN FORGIVE US AND ALLOW US BACK INTO HIS GOD GRACES WHY CAN’T HIS WIFE ALSO FORGIVE HIM AND ATTEMPT TO WORK ON THEIR MARRIAGE TOGETHER. SO ITS NOT THAT THE BIBLE AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS DON’T MATTER TO ME…THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAS TO SPEAK TO GOD ABOUT. WHAT DOES MATTER TO ME IS THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED PEOPLE AND INFLUENCED PEOPLE TO SIT AND QUESTION A MANS SALVATION. WHEN YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT GOD IS THE ONE AND ONLY GIVER OF LIFE.

    ALSO I KNEW ABOUT REV BRYANT LONG BEFORE HE BECAME FAMOUS. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN BALTIMORE, MD. AND MY GRANDMOTHER GREW UP ALONG SIDE HIS FATHER. SO THE FACT THAT HE IS FAMOUS AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS NO BEARING ON ME WHATSOEVER BUT IT DOES YOU. ALL I HAVE READ ON YOUR WEBSITE IS THE THINGS AGAINST ALL THE “BIG” NAMES. I HAVE NOT READ ANYTHING ON HERE IN REFERNCE TO ANYONE SMALL AND THEIR BACKSLIDINGS OR THEIR QUEST FOR SALVATION.

    AND AS FAR AS THE MARRIAGE PART….NO I AM IN NOW WAY ADVOCATING A LIFESTYLE OF FORNICATION. BUT FORCED MARRIAGE ON PREACHERS IS UNFAIR. IT IS OK FOR A PREACHER TO TEACG THE WORD AND WAIT FOR GOD TO GIVE HIM HIS WIFE. BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CHURCHES TODAY MARRIAGE IS DRILLED INTO ONES HEAD. SO PEOPLE GO OUT AND PUT THEIR OWN MARRIAGES TO FAIL. INSTEAD PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO SIT BACK AND WAIT ON THE LORD TO MOVE BECASUE WHAT GOD HAS FOR ME IT IS FOR ME AND CAN’T NO MAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME.

    MY STANDARD IS AND HAS BEEN THE BIBLE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS YOUR STANDARD? GOD TRACHES HUMILITY. HAVE YOU LEARNED THAT. GOD SAYS HE WHO IS WITHOUT SINCE CAST THE FIRST STONE…..CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING THAT YOU STRUGGLE WITH?

    WHAT DOES THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN HAVE TO DO WITH IT? AND THE FACT THAT HE HAS BECOME FAMOUS HAS NO BEARING ON ME…….OBVIOUSLY IT DOES TO YOU.

  7. Job said

    DOMINIQUE:

    I read what you said. As to questioning someone’s salvation, we are to make judgments based on how people live their lives. Jamal Harrison – Bryant’s life has not been that of a Christian. It is not just this one incident with his wife, but it is a pattern of behavior that at the very minimum goes back to his days as a Morehouse College student. It is also the doctrine that he preaches. The prosperity doctrine is against the Bible. Paul explicitly says in Timothy that people who preach prosperity have reprobate minds. And it is funny that you accuse me of lacking humility. The lack of humility is why Harrison – Bryant will not get out of the pulpit! I received a message on this very website just a few days ago from a former pastor who was removed from his post because of his sins. He stated that he agreed with the decision; that it was the right thing to do. That was a fellow who cares about going to heaven, not having a high exalted earthly position.

    You think that Jamal Harrison – Bryant is a man of God because of his natural gifts … his charisma and oratory impress your emotions. Well, salvation is not about emotions. It is about the Bible. Harrison’s doctrines and lifestyle do not conform to the Bible, period. Were Harrison a boring mealy mouthed preacher, no one would follow him because his lifestyle does not reflect the Bible. But since he is a charismatic figure and an excellent figure, everyone ignores that he does not follow the Bible and instead they follow the PERSON.

    The best thing for Harrison – Bryant’s eternal salvation would be for him to confess his sins and leave the pulpit. If he loves God more than he loves himself, he will do it. And that goes for his fans … if you love God more than you love yourselves, you will reject your emotional attachment to this man and pray for his repentance while ceasing to support his ministry. Don’t you know that by continuing to support him in his iniquity, you help him figure that he has no reason to repent since his continuing to live as he does is not costing him anything materially? It is not hurting his pocketbook or his reputation, so why change?

    By the way, I do not repeat the rumors that I have heard about Bryant (or the circle that he runs with) because this is not a gossip sheet, and furthermore I am primarily concerned with the doctrines of televangelists anyway, because that is what the vast majority of their supporters get by way of watching them on TV and buying their books and DVDs. If Harrison – Bryant was not on TV, I would have very little reason to pay him any attention because unless his behavior reached Bishop Paulk – type egregiousness, that would be an issue for his local congregation and his denomination. But you know for a fact that Harrison – Bryant was having problems in this area long before he got married in the first place, and that is why your claims that “he was forced to get married too early” is utterly deceptive and dishonest.

    By the way, let me give you a test. Suppose that it was a man that Jamal Harrison – Bryant was committing adultery with instead of a woman. Would you want him to remain in the pulpit then? Despite the fact that you may find homosexuality more personally offensive than heterosexual fornication or adultery, it is the same sin. So is hypocrisy by the way. So if you are going to support Harrison – Bryant remaining in the pulpit, then you need to go ahead and support homosexual pastors like the Episcopalians and the United Church of Christ. So what do you say, Dominique? Were Harrison – Bryant homosexual or bisexual, would you still support him?

    And why limit it to sex? What if he were a thief. A perjurer. A murderer. An embezzler. Would you support him then also? Where do you draw the line? This is the thing … were he to commit those sins, you would not have a choice. The police would take him away and put him in jail and solve your problem for you. It is a sad day when we often need the police to come and take down the false preachers that the churches refuse to.

  8. DOMINIQUE said

    YOU KNOW WHAT THAT JUST REALLY HIT HOME FOR ME. I DO IN NO WAY SUPPORT ANY PERSON ON TV BY BUYING THEIR BOOKS OR ANYTHING ELSE. BECAUSE OF THE PROSPERITY TEACHINGS. GO THOUGH ANY OF THEIR ACCOUNTS RECIEVABLE ARCHIVES AND NOT ONCE WILL YOU FIND MY NAME OR ADDRESS OR CREDIT CARD ATTACHED TO ANY OF THEIR WORK. WHY? BECAUSE LIKE YOU I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT TO BE SAVED I HAVE TO GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT YOU (THE PREAHER)RATTLE OFF.

    SECONDLY I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE JUST SAID. HE HAS NOT CHANGED MUCH SINCE HIS YOUNGER DAYS. FORNICATION IS SOMETHING HE HAS STRUGGLED WITH FOR A VERY LONG TIME. BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO PONDER IS WHY DONT YOU HAVE THOSE THAT HAVE A PROBLEM OF GLUTONY POSTED ANYWHERE ON HERE? I’LL TELL YOU WHY BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS TOO SMALL FOR MEDIA BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME BETWEEN YOU AND GOD.

    I WAS RAISED IN COGIC CHURCHES. THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE REALLY TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR DENOMINATION IS THE FACT THAT THEY WILL SIT ANYONE DOWN FROM ANY MINISTRY….NOT JUST THE PREACHERS IN THE PULPIT…BECAUSE OF SIN. I AM A FIRM SUPPORTER OF THIS. YOU CANNOT EFFECTIVELY MINISTER TO A SINNER IF THEY SEE YOU SIN. THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT TAKE A SEAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT SO MANY “LOST SHEEP” TODAY WILL NOT COME BACK TO THE SHEPHARD, AND THEIR REASONING IS HIPOCRYSY.

    THE QUESTION OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS WHAT REALLY GETS TO ME THOUGH. I AM NO IMPARTIAL TO ANY OF THESE SINS OF SEXUAL DESIRE BECAUSE HAVING ONCE LEAD A HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE I KNOW FIRST HAND THAT GOD WILL DEFINANTLY TAKE THE TASTE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AND PLACE IN A POSITION TO WIN THE SOULS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN THAT LIFESTYLE. JUST AS HE HAS DONE WITH THE DRUG ADDICTS, DEALERS, PROSTITUTES AND OTHER OUTWARD SINNERS. I KNOW THAT THE POWER OF GOD CAN HOWEVER TAKE THE TASTE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AND REPLACE WITH A TASTE FOR HIM AND REPLACING THE DRIVE OF GETTING GIRLS (IN MY CASE) WITH THE DRIVE TO WANT TO KNOW HIM AND WORK FOR HIM AND THE GOOD OF HIM ONLY. I WAS RAISED IN CHURCH AND PREACHED MY FIRST SERMON AT THE AGE OF 12 IN THE COGIC CHURCH. I HAVE KNOWN ALL MY LIFE THAT MY CALLING IS TO PREACH THE WORD. GOD HAS ALSO PLACED A RESPONSIBILTY IN THE LISTENERS IN ACTS 17:11. EVEN WHEN I WAS LIVING A HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE THIS WAS MY RULE WHENEVER I CAM IN CONTACT WITH ANYONE. MY FAMILY FOR INSTANCE WOULD ALLOW MY SISTER TO LIVE IN THEIR HOME WITH HER BOYFRIEND AND SLEEP IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER. BUT I BETTER MEET MY FEMALE FRIENDS DOWN THE ROAD. SAME SIN THOUGH.

    4 YEARS LATER I AM PLANNING MY MARRIAGE TO A WONDERFUL MAN. THE ONLY MAN IN MY LIFE THAT I HAVE EVER FALLEN IN LOVE WITH. HE IS A GOD FEARING MAN. I AHEV NOT BEEN WITH A WOMAN IN 4 YEARS. I HAVE NEVER IN LIFE BEEN WITH A MAN. I AM ATTENDING A BIBLE COLLEGE AND HAVE OBTAINED ANOTHER DEGREE SINCE MY FIRST ONE 6 YEARS AGO. I AM BEGINNING TO STEP INTO MY CALLING. I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS I KNOW THAT GOD CAN CHANGE ANYONE AND ANYTHING.

    MY PROBLEM WITH YOUR WEBSITE AND WEBSITES LIKE THIS….IS IN 5 YEARS FROM NOW IF IT IS IN GOD’S WILL THAT I BECOME ONE OF THESE BIG NAME PREACHERS WHO IS LIVING AND TEACHING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, WILL I STILL BE RIDICULED FOR MY PAST? EVEN THOUGH MY PRESENT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS WORD.

  9. DOMINIQUE said

    YOU DID NOT ADDRESS THESE QUESTIONS FROM MY LAST POST:

    WHAT DOES THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN HAVE TO DO WITH IT?

    MY STANDARD IS AND HAS BEEN THE BIBLE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS YOUR STANDARD? GOD TRACHES HUMILITY. HAVE YOU LEARNED THAT. GOD SAYS HE WHO IS WITHOUT SINCE CAST THE FIRST STONE…..CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING THAT YOU STRUGGLE WITH?

    AND WITH THIS….I AM NOT DIRECTING THIS STATMENT AS A EEXCUSE FOR HARRISON BRYANT BUT RATHER A STATMENT ABOUT TODAYS CHURCHES IN GENERAL : AND AS FAR AS THE MARRIAGE PART….NO I AM IN NOW WAY ADVOCATING A LIFESTYLE OF FORNICATION. BUT FORCED MARRIAGE ON PREACHERS IS UNFAIR. IT IS OK FOR A PREACHER TO TEACH THE WORD AND WAIT FOR GOD TO GIVE HIM HIS WIFE. BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CHURCHES TODAY MARRIAGE IS DRILLED INTO ONES HEAD. SO PEOPLE GO OUT AND PUT THEIR OWN MARRIAGES TO FAIL. INSTEAD PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO SIT BACK AND WAIT ON THE LORD TO MOVE BECASUE WHAT GOD HAS FOR ME IT IS FOR ME AND CAN’T NO MAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME.

    THIS IS NOT ONLY RELEVANT TO PREACHERS. ABOUT 7 YEARS AGO, MY GRANDMOTHER KEPT TELLING ME YOU NEED TO LEAVE THESE GIRLS ALONE AND FIND YOURSELF A NICE YOUNG MAN TO MARRY. SO THAT YEAR I COUNTED 42 MARRIAGES FROM THE MEMBERS OF HER CHURCH ALONE. SINCE THEN 28 OF THOSE MARRIAGES HAS ENDED IN DIVORCE. YOU DONT THINK THAT CHURCHES MAKE MARRIAGE IMPORTANT TO YOUR SOCIAL STATUS IN THE CHURCH?

  10. Charles D. said

    DOMINIQUE, DOMINIQUE:

    Maybe you should have stopped with your initial comment, because I, too, read “exactly what you wrote” I can’t speak for what you meant but I have to take issue with including me in your “we” and “us” statements. You said::

    “BUT WE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FOLLOWERS OF GOD FORGET THAT THE PREACHERS ARE HUMAN AND BATTLE THEIR FLESH EACH AND EVERYDAY ON A QUEST OF SALVATION JUST LIKE WE DO. SO THEREFORE STOP QUESTIONING THEIR ANNOINTING THAT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THEM BY GOD BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU OR I THEY ARE STILL FIGHTING THE ARROWS SHOT AT THEM BY THE DEVIL”

    The ease with which you include others in the description of maybe your state of mind and lack of self-control is truly disturbing. It is not every man that feel that because a woman is wearing a skirt, that he is entitled to what is under that skirt because he is supposed to feel that way and that both, God and the women will and should understand that..

    You would do well to read Titus 1:15, in essence it says, that whatever you fill your mind with, is the way that you will see and feel about others and the world at large. I am not asexual most assuredly, however, I know that what belongs to another does not belong to me. And because I belong to my wife, I cannot belong to another, either sexually, emotionally, psychologically, or any other way that would hurt my wife or cause her undue stress and/or sadness. Truth be told, I cannot hurt my wife in any way without hurting myself. If my woman’s continence is down cast, then, I am extremely alarmed; and she me.

    So, if a pastor, who is biblically responsible for the accounting of his flock in that great day, purports to have an anointing from God, yet, he steps on that slippery slope of adultery? What does he expect will happen? If sex is available, then, it is sex that he wants. I am under no circumstance, holding myself up to either you or the public, saying that the very same thing could not happen to me tomorrow, or, even tonight. What I am saying is that the more I fill myself with Christ, and the manual that He has left for me, that those evil desires are just not in operations as they would be, were I to put myself in a position for casual sex to happen. Didn’t Paul say, that we should rather run, not walk, but run to avoid placing ourselves in such a position? Now if a man is so macho he refuses to run, yet he is so weak as to allow his small head to think and control his whole body, no correction, his body (rightfully his wife’s body). I say this one thing, YES, I would question whether such a minister is truly anointed of God. Otherwise, the enemy knows exactly where and how to set-up a gotcha situation and that any silver-tongued devil (including the Anti-Christ can attract you by turning very pretty phrases. .

    Finally, if you were to come upon me one day, after a sinful romp or tryst; I don‘t think you will, however, I recognize that I am susceptible to ANY sin common unto man . But you remember this one thing, as Job has pointed out to you and scripture fully supports, pastors of flocks are held to a different standard; and if they weren’t what’s to keep any common pimp or “player” from claiming the title of pastor? Not only that, but, you should know this about men, being one; a man will more often than not, do all that he is allowed to do and/or get away with.

    Read Titus 1:15 and note me back.

    In Christ’s’ love,

    Charles

    • dwayne said

      you have to understand that it is not that people are not forgiving , people dont trust a lair ,hypocrite ,and one of the most dangerous things are for people to follow a whore monger ,when a pastor sins in this way he can not be trusted .God gave us his word to change lives with out it you can do nothing you just cant look at his preaching and teaching.HE could not live what he was preaching GOD gave his word to us to live by /Satan gave his word to disobey GODS WORD,THE WORD OF GOD TO MOSES,WAS MAN LIVES ONLY BY THE WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF GODS MOUTH. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF GOD GAVE YOU HIS WORD AND DID NOT HONOR IT BUT WE KNOW THE LORDS WORDS EVERY ONE IS TRUE AND ALL OF US PASTOR TO MEMBER MUST OBEY THE WORD WE SHOULD PRAY FOR JAMAL BUT PRAYER WILL NOT CHANGE HIM HE HAS TO CHANGE HIS OWN LIFE THROUGH OBEDIENCE IN THE WORD, HE NOT READY TO PASTOR, PASTOR MEANS EXAMPLE JESUS SAID WHEN YOUR CONVERTED GO AND STRENGTHEN YOUR BROTHERS CONVERTED MEANS LIFE CHANGE.

  11. DOMINIQUE says:

    4 YEARS LATER I AM PLANNING MY MARRIAGE TO A WONDERFUL MAN.

    MY PROBLEM WITH YOUR WEBSITE AND WEBSITES LIKE THIS….IS IN 5 YEARS FROM NOW IF IT IS IN GOD’S WILL THAT I BECOME ONE OF THESE BIG NAME PREACHERS WHO IS LIVING AND TEACHING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, WILL I STILL BE RIDICULED FOR MY PAST? EVEN THOUGH MY PRESENT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS WORD.

    A woman claiming church leadership is NEVER in accordance with His Word, 1 Timothy 3. If you wanted to do as the Word says, you’d strive to support that man you plan to marry, if after your marriage and starting your family HE is called to church leadership, you WERE NOT CALLED and need to stop putting your personal ambition above the Word of God!

    The problem people like you and Bryant have with sites like this is that we actually seek to uphold the words within scripture minus adding any secular movement’s philosophy.

    I am glad the Lord delivered you from homosexuality and pray He delivers you from delusions of placing your own desires for church leadership above what scripture commands.

  12. RCL said

    I think I’m with Dominique. We all struggle with the flesh but Pastors and Preachers have a higher level of responsibility to the covenant of God than the average person. I feel sorry for his wife. He repeatedly commits adultery and fathers other children outside of his marriage and then keeps preaching like nothing is going on. He was not just with one woman but several women. His defense is “I’m Human”. That’s not good enough. I think he needs to step down and re-evaluate his relationship with Christ. This situation needs healing and mending.

  13. I take issue with much of what Dominique said in her first comment.

    She said things like the following:

    WHEN MAN TRIES TO PUT TOGETHER A UNION THAT GOD SHOULD MAKE SHAT DO WE REALLY EXPECT? NOTHING OTHER THAN A DIVORCE.

    They were united and God recognized it, just like the woman with 5 husbands, Jesus knew she had 5.

    John 4:18 (King James Version)

    18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

    She of course should not have divorced the 1st and after the first the 2nd and so on, however God saw each marriage. They were joined in a union God saw, was fully aware of as He is with everything and never told them to break. The same with the Bryant’s. They were joined and they were in God’s eyes one flesh.

    REV. BRYANT IS DOING NOTHING THAT OTHER PREACHERS HAVE NOT DONE BEFORE HIM.

    And all should have been removed, every one of them.

    HE WAS YOUNG WHEN HE MARRIED AND ITS SAD TO SAY THAT IN THE CHURCH ESPECIALLY THE AME CHURCH IT IS AN UNSPOKEN EXPECTATION THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET MARRIED ESPECIALLY AS A PREACHER.

    For Dominique, just like her feeling that women can assume church leadership (an AME erred teaching), she feels a man who is not of one wife can assume church leadership and decide to get married later. Totally in full out violation of scripture.

    1 Timothy 3:1-7 (King James Version

    1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

    2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

    3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

    4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

    5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

    6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

    7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

    Someone that wants to assume leadership in the House of God should follow the Word of God. Husband of one wife! It’s like even the things AME gets right, some folks want to speak against 🙄 .

    I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE REV BRYANT PREACH LIVE AND IN COLOR AT FIRST AME IN OAKLAND AND THAT MAN IS REALLY AN ANNOINTED MAN OF GOD.

    All Christians are anointed. Bryant preaches a false gospel with a big money Jesus. Bryant always was not true to 1 Timothy 3:1-7, greedy for money, of bad reputation, a novice in the faith, not a church leader by the standard of scripture. If one wants to affirm he should be a leader, it should not be in the church, because he fails the test. Let him go back to being a leader in the NAACP or some other secular thing.

    Too many people mishandle the term “anointed”.

    BUT WE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FOLLOWERS OF GOD FORGET THAT THE PREACHERS ARE HUMAN AND BATTLE THEIR FLESH EACH AND EVERYDAY ON A QUEST OF SALVATION JUST LIKE WE DO. SO THEREFORE STOP QUESTIONING THEIR ANNOINTING THAT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THEM BY GOD BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU OR I THEY ARE STILL FIGHTING THE ARROWS SHOT AT THEM THE DEVIL.

    Here defying scripture again. If he’s anointed he has been baptized by the Holy Spirit and to treat him like any other human makes the baptism of the Holy Spirit of no effect. “Anointed” does not mean approved by God to be a church leader. Anointed means sealed by the Holy Spirit.

    1 John 2:27 (King James Version)

    27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Anointing is not some special thing only residing in church leadership. If you are a Christian you are anointed. That does not mean you are to try leading a church, unless you fulfill the criteria listed in the scripture above from 1 Timothy 3:1-7.

    HE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A UNION HIMSELF AND DID NOT ALLOW GOD TO PUT IT TOGETHER SO OF COURSE IT IS DESTINED TO FAIL.

    God recognized the marriage and it should be reconciled if at all possible. Given the adultery his wife has cause to leave, but Jamal Bryant is wrong for making any filing to put his wife away even in a “limited” sense. See 1 Corinthians 7 and Matthew 5:31-33, marriage is a vow before God and to break it is to make a false vow. In this case only Gizzelle Bryant had any justification for wanting to break the vow. Still it was before God, if possible it should be reconciled. Hello, they have children people! And even if they did not, but it’s always best to reconcile.

    AND BESIDES THIS YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAS GONE ON IN HIS HOUSEHOLD OR HOW HE TRIED TO FIGHT FOR HIS MARRIAGE OR THE LACK THERE OF ALL. ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT THE PRESS RELEASES.

    We know a WHOLE LOT MORE than what the press releases! And we know from the Word of God, that Jamal-Harrison Bryant was NEVER approved by God to lead in His House. The Word of God and the Spirit of God are always in agreement. God never affirmed Jamal-Harrison Bryant as a church leader. Jamal runs a club, that is full of deception and wrongly divided scripture. And the AME STILL has him part of their organization.

    To keep anyone as a leader that is not is to share the weight of their sins.

    1 Timothy 5:22 (King James Version)

    22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.

    Take the trash out!

  14. Charles D. said

    Hell-o!

  15. I blame all this on the Alpha Kappa Alpha, Bryant should have decided whether he wants to be a pastor or a member of greek letterorganisations.

    Very few people are addressing that problem but it is a conduit for all sorts of demon manifestations.

    The guy has to renounce the oaths and get deliverance for his own sake.

  16. Hi everyone. Haven’t been here in a good minute.

    1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

    A bishop (man)is a leader within the church at a regional or state level, and in some cases local. That is not to say that a woman can not serve in a position of leadership. She can not be placed over a man but, who is the bishop, the husband of one wife. Any woman who claims to be over a man is not keeping with the bible, even if she founded the ministry. If she founded a ministry and is married her husband is her covering, and all affairs should be taken to him as the head of the ministry.
    If she is not married she must remain under authority in a position where there is always a covering, (a leader over her.)

  17. Minister Patrick Williams,

    A bishop (man)is a leader within the church at a regional or state level, and in some cases local.

    I think you are getting lost in translation. And this I’ve found to be a common mis-teaching regarding the title “bishop”.

    Assuming 1611 KJV is your translation of preference:
    In Titus 1 (1611 KJV), the terms Elder and Bishop along with their qualifications are used interchangeably.

    The Greek term episkopos means Bishop/Elder/Pastor/Overseer, sir it’s all the same thing. Check the early church letters, what we call an Elder or Pastor was called a “Bishop”.

    The Greek term presbyteros was a plural term for the same. Even episkopos could be plural too.

    This is all the same term. The church leadership given in scripture are Elder/Pastors/Bishops/Oversers (all the same) and Deacons. All men of a certain caliber, the most upstanding of the group. All evangelists selected by the Apostles were men, Timothy, Titus and so on. Evangelists went on to become church Bishops/Elder/Pastor/Overseer as Timothy did, although his time as a Bishop/Elder/Pastor/Overseer is not in scripture it is well documented in church history. Evangelists were working towards the post of Bishop/Elder/Pastor/Overseer, or doing other work in building churches and spreading the gospel. So they had to be men. Evangelists were not necessarily married, while Elder/Pastors/Bishops/Oversers are. If a man desires to work up to being a Bishop/Elder/Pastor/Overseer and is not married, he can work as an Evangelist, given the men leading the house of God it is good they’ve proven they can lead a household.

    Women do speak to the assembly and prophesy when permitted on occasion by the elders, 1 Corinthians 11, but no they don’t hold leadership post, unless it is a post with no men under her leadership. Perhaps we agree on women in leadership, that they can’t be over any men, so they could be a women’s teacher or child teacher, but not over men. You mentioned women not being over men, but I just wanted to be sure we were clear in our agreement.

    A local church is NOT to have just one elder, there is to be a plurality and they lead the direction of the church. No they are not to have an outside “bishop” over their local church, those local church leaders are the bishops. Having some outside “bishop” over regions of churches is a Roman Catholic facet, but not true to the history of the church.

  18. You are correct. I was speaking as we see things today. Which, as you well know is not the way things were intended. Though I wish things were, it would be simpler. God bless.

  19. John Kaniecki said

    Hello,

    Hope you are all well.

    Just to through in I agree with you on how you understand the scriptures. Which brings up the points of apostles. This office is one that nobody today has qualifications to fill. According to Acts 1:21 an apostle must have walked with Jesus.

    A lot of people like to claim the title of apostle because it gives them an authority that no man should have.

    Also on titles Psalm 111:9 says referring to God “holy and reverend is his name.” It is a unique aspect of The Church of Christ not to call any members reverend. This is something like accapella music that can be shown to be true but the proof isn’t totally conclusive.

    But the bottom line is whatever we call men it doesn’t matter if they do not do the will of God.

    Love,

    John

  20. True the Office of Apostle is closed. To be one someone at a bare minimum had to see the resurrected Christ, which is how Paul was able to be given the right hand of fellowship as an Apostle, but he himself noted he was an exception, given he saw Christ risen after everyone else and he was the last to really see the resurrected Christ.

    Also, given nobody can name someone with a 100% record and our foundation is now in scripture, the Office of Prophet is likewise closed, although there are 2 to come as noted in Revelation 11. As I said, people do prophesy and that even comes in preaching the Word of God, but nobody is a “Prophet”.

    The Church of Christ is doing well not to use the term “Reverend”, but their acapella music stance is not honestly a scripture based stance. Early churches did not have much money, so of course they could not afford amenities like instruments, but it was not something forbidden. The Church of Christ not having instruments has a much uglier history and they retrofitted bends of scripture to suit their stance.

    See this page. Really what they are doing is contrived legalism.

    Have you noticed The Church of Christ denomination is mostly in the South? That’s because there used to be their denomination all over America, but when division came over slavery, Northern members of the organization teamed up with big money abolitionists, those abolitionists funded the churches with things like organs. The Southern counterparts that were totally against abolitionists extended their stance to be against instruments because of what their Northern counterparts were receiving. And the Northern counterparts mostly disassociated from the Southern organization.

  21. I’m glad we are having some agreement here.

  22. Charles said

    dawkinswatch Says: “I blame all this on the Alpha Kappa Alpha”

    I’d sure like to know why you would; and not because AKA is a sorority, the sister organization to Alpha Phi Alpha, of which I am a charter member. I do not affifilate with a graduate chapter, however, your reason(s) are bound to be a doozy; and I don’t mean that in a bad way.

    Charles

  23. Monique said

    Hi everyone! I’m new here. I don’t really know where I have been over the past few months, but I just heard today from my husband about Pastor Bryant. I have to say that I am truly disappointed – another failed Christian marriage. I agree with bits and pieces of what everyone was saying (Dominique, Independent Conservatitve, Charles). I’m not really sure what the comment about all of this being AKA’s fault meant – that was just bizarre!
    I have to admit, I am a bit bothered by the tone of the some of the comments – some of you are extremely harsh and judgemental, especially you Independent Conservation – I just got through reading your personal blog site and you were really harsh in your responses – I didn’t feel a whole lot of Christ love. You said that God allows us to judge others, in all actuality when God decides to call me to my true home up in heaven, I won’t be answering to you, I’ll be answering to him. You don’t have a right to judge people so harshly, nor do you have any right to comment on any experience that people may have had. The fact is – WE DON’T KNOW! You also can’t say what you would do if you were in the situation because you don’t know until you’re in it. I’ve heard lovely, heartwarming stories of people who forgave their spouses or children’s killers and I can’t say that if I were in that situation I could do the same.
    I guess the most important thing that I’m trying to say here is we don’t have any room to judge anyone based on any circumstance. Our main purpose while we’re visiting Earth is to try our best to spread the word of God and showing others what Christ love is all about – not by judging and trying to make ourselves seem like perfect holy people. NO ONE IS PERFECT – NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY THEY CAN NEVER MEASURE UP TO THE GLORY OF CHRIST JESUS! Please stop being so negative to one another and judgemental! That is so not what Jesus would do!!!!!!!

  24. Monique said

    By the way, I didn’t mean to call you Independent Conservation – I don’t know where that came from. I meant Independent Conservative – sorry.

    P.S. – We should be able to agree to disagree without being judgemental.

  25. Monique said:

    I have to admit, I am a bit bothered by the tone of the some of the comments – some of you are extremely harsh and judgmental, especially you Independent Conservation – I just got through reading your personal blog site and you were really harsh in your responses – I didn’t feel a whole lot of Christ love. You said that God allows us to judge others, in all actuality when God decides to call me to my true home up in heaven, I won’t be answering to you, I’ll be answering to him. You don’t have a right to judge people so harshly, nor do you have any right to comment on any experience that people may have had. The fact is – WE DON’T KNOW! You also can’t say what you would do if you were in the situation because you don’t know until you’re in it.

    Sister, you are a hypocrite. You have now judged me and my comments.

    If I can’t judge anything, you should rip 1 Corinthians 5 and even Matthew 7 from your Bible.

    I’m sure before your husband you JUDGED that certain men were not right for you. So let’s stop with that silly “don’t judge” nonsense. We all judge.

    I am to judge who is good to fellowship with and admonish saints to avoid what is evil.

    1 Thessalonians 5:14 (King James Version)

    14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

    If one of your siblings was about to walk into a snake pit, I suspect you’d scream at the top of your lungs for them to turn back. But we are seeing spiritual abuse, the stakes are eternal and I’m being called judgmental, I take it as a complement!

    I learned over the years with my own blog, that when I would judge sinners, everyone upset I’m calling out these pimps and their defenders loved it, but once I carried out 1 Corinthians 5 in truth TO JUDGE WHO SAINTS SHOULD FELLOWSHIP WITH, then suddenly I heard the cries of “judge not” NONSENSE like never before.

    Keep complaining about me Ms. Monique. I need your encouragement.

  26. IC

    Well said. We are called to warn the wick.
    I think it should be noted that nearly everyone who is falling today are those who preach the bling bling gospel, where the fellowship, love and peace in Christ is not preached, be blessing are.

  27. Minister Patrick Williams, When all I talked about were the sins of sinners on my blog, guess how many times a Christian told me I should stop and seek to keep the church clean? ONE. Literally just one. The masses of other Christians were patting me on the back and enjoying every new post more than the previous one. You could not have named a “Conservative” blogger I was not able to accolades from back then.

    Oh, but now I talk about church stuff and it seems that causes a problem for many.

    I’m not going to let 1 Corinthians 5 become a stumbling block for me. I used to think anyone claiming the Lord’s name was to be guarded at all cost. Then I learned the church is right were Satan is setting up shop, 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 and so I’m at peace facing God in Christ doing what I do.

  28. This is what God has put you here for. To sound the alarm! Do not stop doing what you feel God leading you to do.
    In most cases the ones shouting stop are the ones caught up in false doctrine.
    They can’t see and have been following along blindly, and shout aloud when you turn the light on. May God bless you. I have to do the same. So I know what you’re going through.
    I hear it all the time. Touch not mine anointed.
    But the truth be told, many are not God’s anointed. They are motivional speakers that walk up and down the stage with no bible, saying Jesus was rich and he wants the same for you. And the silly saints go wild.
    The truth is Jesus had no place to rest but with the animals. He was poor but rich in spirit, and he was buried in another man’s grave.
    This is his humble beginning and ending.
    He talked about money because of the value associated with it.
    It is compared to the value of the gifts God gives each of us and all are different. Some 5, some 2 and some 1. He desires each of us take that which is of value (our gift) and go make interest, (bring other to Christ) with it.
    So preach on brother, I’m in your corner.
    May God bless!!!!

  29. But the truth be told, many are not God’s anointed. They are motivional speakers that walk up and down the stage with no bible, saying Jesus was rich and he wants the same for you. And the silly saints go wild.

    Once upon a time, I’d hear that for 30 minutes to an hour and call it “good preachin'”… If the man on stage with the mic in his hand wanted to twist a few scriptures in the process, I was cool with that too.

    They had me thinking, if I wanted some money, all I needed to do was pay 10% or more and Gawd would open a window from Heaven and just pour money all over me. That He’d press it, shake it and run it all over me. Hearing Gawd wanted me rich and all I had to do was “sow seed” seemed logical in those deluded times of my life.

    You’re right, Jesus and the apostles lived broke and homeless lives, 1 Corinthians 4:11. But some don’t get how the greatest is the servant. Some read that giving all can result in 100 fold return in this life, while neglecting to see how that played out for the apostles, who gave and kept right on giving and got the persecution with it till death. It’s not about glamor in this world and those talking “100 fold return” are the ones in thorns as Christ mentioned in Matthew 13.

    Honestly, of myself alone I certainly never wanted to do what I do. I sort of feel like God planned it so I’d start doing it, then look back a while later and realize I was actually talking to saints about their walk with Christ. If I knew sooner, I might have run from it 😀 . I’m still wishing God gave out “get out of James 3:1” free cards. Because doing this is something I know must be done, yet frightening at the same time. God forbid I ever be one to cause someone to go into error.

  30. Crystal 08 said

    Independent Conservative,
    You sound like a radical and a fanatic. I don’t care how many passages you pull out of the Bible, your views are distorted. It is a well known fact that God chooses whom he wants, however he wants. In the days of Paul when women in that particular time period and location, and for whatever reason, could not hold positions of leadership does not apply to society today. The Bible is dynamic, and how dare you try to limit it. You’re not telling Dominique that she can’t have her own ministry, you’re telling God because you’re assuming that you know everything that He would desire or allow. As Dominique pointed out, little girls, and boys, today are engaging in homosexual activites at an early age. Have you ever had a homosexual relationship Independent Conservative? Are you going to minister or relate to little girls and boys, as well as grown men and women. Or are you going to sit back and judge the people that do? I was very offended for Dominique when you told her that she was not called into the ministry. Are you God? Did you sit down and hear His voice on behalf of Dominique? Or do you just pull what you want out of the Bible and run with it? I’ll be praying for you Independent Conservative.

  31. Job said

    Crystal 08:

    “You sound like a radical and a fanatic.” The Bible tells us to be a radical and a fanatic. But you do not care about that because you say “I don’t care how many passages you pull out of the Bible” and “The Bible is dynamic.” Now you do realize that the Bible says that God is unchanging and so is His Word? Or was that part “dynamic” too? So if God’s word changes, then what makes John 3:16 true? What confidence do we still have that we are saved from the lake of fire by believing on God’s Son? And is lying still a sin? Gossiping? Stealing? Murder? Blasphemy? Idolatry? Why not? Because you say so? Maybe those things related to that time or place and are not for today when we are so advanced in our scientific and philosophical knowledge.

    Claiming that the Bible is “dynamic” just gives you an excuse to pick and choose which portions of the Bible to believe and which not to believe based on your own desires. What you want matters, not God. You are thereby pushing God aside and making yourself God in His place. That is precisely what the beast (the anti – Christ) and the false prophet are going to do, and that is precisely what Satan did when he said “I will be just like the most High.”

    “It is a well known fact that God chooses whom he wants, however he wants.”

    Yes, but God is not going to contradict His Word in doing so. If God contradicts His Word, then His Word is useless to us as a guide and authority. If God contradicts His Word, then He will not be able to judge us by it. If God contradicts His Word, then He will be unrighteous and therefore no God at all! Do you not realize that you have all sorts of people committing all sorts of sins and great crimes and telling them that God told them to do it? What did Adolph Hitler say about the Holocaust? That he was finishing Christ’s work. Quoting Hitler: “Christ was the greatest early fighter against the world enemy, the Jews … The work he started but could not finish, I–Adolph Hitler will conclude.” I guess Hitler was reading your dynamic Bible?

  32. E.Bert Todd said

    Amen Job, Amen!

  33. Crystal 08 visited my blog today using the handle “Give Mercy Receive Mercy”.

    Speaking in this thread of comments and this one.

    I think if you read enough of her comments, that you’ll see she’s come into a false brand of Christianity and in need of proper training in the scriptures.

  34. Job said

    IC:

    Well, with all the apostasy out there today, it is easy to see how she arrived at a false brand of Christianity. Her minister is probably an ORU or Regent University graduate.

  35. Charles D. said

    ORU???

    Does anyone remember when Swaggart,trying to get a leg up on Oral Roberts, as both were trying to steal what was left of Jim Bakkers’ ministry after his downfall: “do you mean that little crazy man, perched up there in that bird-house?” speaking about the tower at ORU.

  36. Crystal 08 said

    Independent Conservative is clearly afraid of a fight. The only people allowed on his blog are those who agree with him. The Bible is dynamic in that it applies to every day, every year, and every century. Don’t twist my words as if I were referring to sin. I’m not going to read the Bible as if I’m walking in the time that Jesus did. My life is right here, right now. And the only thing keeping me from responding as the young lady that I used to be and saying worse things than “radical and fanatic” is the fact that as a young woman with many issues and influences that are relevant to my generation, the Bible applied to them all and has given me the ability to express myself in a manner that is not hypocritical, judgemental, or narrowminded. And here’s one for you Independent Conservative, would Jesus ban me from His presence? I think not, because He hasn’t yet.

  37. Job, it’s clear she (Crystal 08) uses TBN as a primary source of teaching and training 😯 .

    2 Timothy 3 speaks of her and she’s the weak woman weighed down and being greatly abused.

    The folly of the false teacher she defends is all over the newspapers and she still stands with him. Making it known she does not care if he sleeps with every woman he can get his hands on.


    On numerous occasions I’ve watched this “False Prophet” as some of you, especially you Independent Conservative, like to call him. I saw sincerity and anointing and it has blessed my life. He has no doubt been used by God in my life because I’m living the evidence. Ever since I first heard him speak on TBN, with the other false prophets I guess, He has blessed my life. We are all only human,and you people don’t think the Devil will try to use whatever He can to cause God’s people to stumble. He’s using you all right now. I don’t care if Jamal Bryant pimped whores from his church, do you think I’m going act all high and mighty on a blog because no one sees my face or knows my past? I think not, because I don’t answer to you all, I answer to God and when Christ returns and I stand before him on judgement day, I don’t want the question of “Why did you judge Jamal Bryant as if you are without sin” to be added to my long list of bad behavior.

    She’s afraid to “touch Gawd’s anointed” and untrained in what it really means.

  38. Crystal 08 said

    First of all Independent Conservative you don’t know me and for all we both throw out about God and the Bible, if we were face to face right I would tell you what I think about you. Since you seem to know me so well, I’ll have you know that I happen to be in college, away from home. I read my Bible everyday and listen to what God says to me about what I’ve read. I don’t use TBN as my primary instruction. I know think you know everything, but you don’t know me. I am on this blog. Don’t try to make this a tag team with your brother and gang up on me cause you won’t win. You got something to say, say it to me hypocrite. I happened to see your picture. You can keep hiding behind Christianity as your platform to voice your ludicrous opionions, but straight up black man, as a black woman I will tear you to pieces. Don’t bring out the monster sir. When I am home I go to my church of 16 years every Sunday. I dare you to talk about what I have been taught, and I dare you talk about my pastor who is a father to me. I dare you to do it! You’re about to make this really ugly, because unlike you, I don’t put on false pretenses. I am not a hypocrite. And for as much as I love God and getting my life on the right track, if you come at me again I will wipe you out. As I was saying before you banned me from your self righteous blog, where are the verses and the scriptures about what you’re doing. Where in the Bible can you defend the fact that your judgemental blog in not Christlike. You keep ignoring that one hypocrite!

  39. Crystal 08 said

    Did you just call me weak and greatly abused?! NO, I was weak and greatly abused when a woman in my family sexually abused me as a little girl and distored my whole reality. I was weak and greatly abused when people I was supposed to be able to love and trust rejected and misunderstod me. I was weak and greatly abused until I READ THE BIBLE and THE TRUTH in it freed me. That’s why I can resist pointing the finger because nobody understood why I acted the way I did and they judged me. So I won’t be self righteous because everybody has a history, everybody has sin!

  40. Crystal 08 said

    There you go twisting words to present your case. Did I ever say “Do not touch ‘God’s’ anointed” (I don’t know who Gawd is). I don’t think I did. I said I will not judge PEOPLE. Get it right! Stop hiding behind the Bible IC, come out and be real. Also, I am not a puppy to be trained in anything. Your last post was a bit chauvanistic sir. I will advise to refrain from referring to my gender. On the other hand, this whole thing is bringing out a little too much of the old me. I’ll leave you to your hypocrisy Independent Conservative, besides you still haven’t defended yourself agianst my main argument. You keep harping on the Bible and what I’ve been taught, but not your blog. HAPPY POSTING Independent Conservative!

  41. disciple said

    I am so tired of hearing that people are human people make mistake .The bible said that we are a new creature in Christ that tells me Im not human but spirit The Bible said all things become new. i know we have the same body and sometimes the same mind but we should not do the same things we use to do. We are to be examples to the world not worst than the world. It is funny to me if we were the ones Jamal was cheating on he should be stone but since it is someone else than he should be forgiving. He should step down and get it right and work on those issues that need working. What if your local Pastor the one you go hear every Sunday morning had done all this would you listen to him again or would you say he need to step down I am just saying

  42. Crystal 08 said

    Everybody has the same argument. I never said that Jamal Bryant shouldn’t step down or work on his issues. I said that the people who voice their opinions all over a blog are no better than he is. Just keep doing what ya’ll do.

  43. So true, if their own spouse cheated on them that would be a MAJOR problem and they’d see him as a total hypocrite every time he stepped into a pulpit. Other “pastors” who heard their spouse cheated on them and still allowed him access to their pulpits would be viewed as accomplices in spiritual crime of holding up a bad example in church leadership. All congregants who heard of the adultery and wanted him to remain would be noted as being deluded, to keep an adulterer THAT CHEATED ON THEM in a position of authority given the qualifications noted in Titus 1. Qualifications that should give a pastor’s wife a level of security, to know her husband would not want to slip up or he’d be rebuked.

    But since it’s somebody else he cheated on Jamal’s drones are OK with it because he’s still entertaining to them.

    Never mind the pain he’s left his wife and children in.

    His house is out of order, so he certainly can’t manage the House of God.

  44. My comment above was in response to this comment.

  45. Of course the one who claims someone else is judging is being judgmental of the person they accuse of passing judgment. But in some distant galaxy it makes sense to them 🙄 .

    They can call others a hypocrite, but can’t see their own hypocrisy. Just like they can’t rightly divide a verse of scripture.

    They can claim the Lord’s name and pass out dares like they are on a street corner though. While telling someone else they are out of order.

    Delusion is a terrible thing.

  46. Crystal 08 said

    Independent Conservative,
    Question: How will posting Juanita Bynum’s tax issues on your website lead people to Christ and your “proper” brand of Christianity? Let me guess, it’ll show everybody how that “false teaching pulpit pimping viper” really is. Since you seem to be so angry and miserable, just go on TBN is say what you have to say like a real man. Plus, you live in Georgia right? Just go to one of those “pulpit pimping” mega-churches and say what you gotta say! Also, I think it is very manly of you to ban me from your page while you continue to voice your opinion of me and direct people to this website (coward). Shut me up, say all that you want to say, and continue brainwashing people on your hilarious website (coward). I was just wondering, if I was not saved and I came to your webisite to learn something about Christ, what would it be? Would you tell me how to find salvation, or when I get there would I see a man who claims to be Christian run his website like a TABLOID MAGAZINE! That is what your website is right? No different than what I see on the news stands? The ‘ENQUIRER” of Christianity, is it not? Everytime a man has no argument he insults a womam (weak), calls her delusional, makes other people think she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. He calls her “Headstrong”, but only in a condescending manner.

    “Of course the one who claims someone else is judging is being judgmental of the person they accuse of passing judgment.”

    Yawwwwn! How did I know you were going to use this argument. So tyical Independent Conservative. Certainly you can come better than that! But maybe not (weak).

    “They can claim the Lord’s name and pass out dares like they are on a street corner though.”

    You claim the Lord’s name and run your website like a gossip column. Do you read what you write, or are you so used to saying whatever pops into that inflated ballon that represents your head that you aren’t even aware of how you sound.

    Independent Conservative I’m too strong for you. You can’t shut me up, you can’t defend “The Enquirer”, and you can’t win. People like you (I was going to say “men like you”, but in your case that doesn’t apply) feed off of those who are unable to defend themselves. People like you look for every negative, every mistake, and all the evidence they can so that when they’re ready to attack, the enemy will have no grounds for an argument. You keep throwing stones, and I’ll keep throwing bricks.

  47. Crystal 08 said

    To those who regularly post on this blog, regardless of my feelings and opinions I apologize to you all for this sparring match between myself and Independent Conservative. We could have just said the things we needed to say on his blog, but like every TABLOID MAGAZINE he has to be loyal to his readers and I guess I was interfering with that. Once again, my apologies.

  48. Crystal 08 said

    readbible Says:
    February 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 am
    IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES. JESUS CAME FOR THEM THAT ARE NT WORTHY, NOT IN THE EYES OF MAN. I BELIEVE THAT WEE GO THROUGH ALOT OF THINGS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT BY OUR MIGHT, NOT BY OUR POWER BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD USES SITUATIONS TO HUMBLE US AND PRACTISE HIS WORD, SAY LIKE FORGIVENESS? WE MAY BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE JUANITA AND PAULA. BUT LET US ASK OURSELVES “WHO AM I TO JUDGE?” ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT GOD IS THAT HE IS NOT LIKE MAN AND WILL NEVER REASON LIKE MAN. HE WILL ALSO USE THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM FOOLISH UNTO MAN TO BRING GLORY TO HIMSELF. EVEN DAVID WHO WAS DESCRIBED AS A MAN AFTER GOD’S OWN HEART FELL BUT GOD PICKED HIM UP.HE IS LOVING, FORGIVING AND GENTLE. YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. I BELIEVE THAT THE FRUITS ARE SHOWN BY HOW WE HANDLE SUCH SITUATIONS. LOVE, FORGIVENESS AND TRUSTING GOD THRU IT ALL. NOBODY IS PERFECT AND WILL EVERY BE PERFECT UNTIL THAT DAY WHEN GOD BRINGS US INTO THAT PERFECTION. THE LORD SAYS IN HIS WORD THAT WE SHALL FALL SEVEN TIMES AND HE WILL STILL PICK US UP. HIS FORGIVENESS IS UNLIMITED. AND LET US REMEMBER THAT WE ARE NOT GOD THEREFORE WE WILL CONTINUALLY STRIFE WITH SIN, PAIN AND EVERYTHING THAT THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER. BUT WE HTHANK GOD FOR HIS GRACE AND MERCIES THAT ARE NEW EVERY MORNING. SO LET US REFRAIN FROM POINTING FINGERS AND ACCUSING LIKE THE PHARISEES. INSTEAD LET US LOVE LIKE JESUS DID AND PRAY FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

    IndependentConservative reply on February 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 am :

    Readbible? The irony of your selected screen name is incredible given your statements. Because you sound like someone who listens to pimps rather than reading the Bible.

    IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES.

    I don’t see where I tried to kill anyone. But once you see me tossing a stone at them, please call the police. I should not try taking their life, it’s better I let God destroy them if they don’t repent of their evil.

    I BELIEVE THAT WEE GO THROUGH ALOT OF THINGS SO THAT WE MAY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT BY OUR MIGHT, NOT BY OUR POWER BUT BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. GOD USES SITUATIONS TO HUMBLE US AND PRACTISE HIS WORD, SAY LIKE FORGIVENESS? WE MAY BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE JUANITA AND PAULA.

    Juanta and Paula:

    1. Should not be assuming any church leadership and teaching positions over any men, 1 Timothy 3 and 1 Timothy 2:12. But they are accepted as such by people like yourself because you don’t really trust the words on the pages of your Bible. You trust those pimps.

    2. They still are not humble at all. Paula White still scamming for money and Juanita Bynum too.

    3. They are false teachers, with a false gospel, 2 Peter 2.

    BUT LET US ASK OURSELVES “WHO AM I TO JUDGE?”

    The guy reading his Bible and seeing I am to judge who I associate with, 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and I am to expose workers of darkness, Ephesians 5:11.

    EVEN DAVID WHO WAS DESCRIBED AS A MAN AFTER GOD’S OWN HEART FELL BUT GOD PICKED HIM UP.

    David knew the meaning of true repentance. These pimps you defend know how to take your money and consume it.

    HE IS LOVING, FORGIVING AND GENTLE.

    He’s also chastens Psalm 39:11, rebukes and destroys Psalm 9:5, hates Proverbs 6:16-19 and destruction will come to false teachers 2 Peter 2. What will become of those who remain with the false teachers?

    Luke 6:39-40 (New American Standard Bible)

    39 And He also spoke a parable to them: “A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?

    40 “A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.

    Beware that YOU don’t fall into the pit with THEM.

    Matthew 7:21-23 (New American Standard Bible)

    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

    22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

    23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

    You should stop consuming the rotten fruit of false teachers.

    If you care to read your Bible, read of the contentment noted in 1 Timothy 6 and flee the lies of prosperity doctrines.

  49. Crystal 08 said

    Independent Conservative,
    You are a liar, a manipulator, and you twist people’s words.

    Readbible’s comment:
    IT IS A SHAME AND A PITY THAT WE AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD ARE THE FIRST ONES TO CAST THE STONES.

    Independent Conservative’s Twisted Response:
    I don’t see where I tried to kill anyone. But once you see me tossing a stone at them, please call the police. I should not try taking their life, it’s better I let God destroy them if they don’t repent of their evil.

    How convenient for you independent conservative to twist the words in the Bible to support what you have to say, but to make it as literal as possible when someone refers to you being judgmental of others. Let me break it down for you. Nobody is talking about stones, but I wish you were and I had one. YOU ARE NOT WITHOUT SIN, YOU ARE NOT GOD, YOU ARE NOT PERFECT, YOU’RE NOT EVEN LIKABLE!

    Nowhere in Readbible’s post did he defend your so-called prosperity doctrine. He simply said stop judging people. And you being the coward without any real argument continue to refer your comments back to that. You need to take a long look in the mirror sir and learn a lesson in introspection. Also, I’ll be praying for your marriage. I would hate for all your proper doctrine to fail you one day.

  50. Charles D. said

    Email me, please!

    chaz33_99@yahoo.com

    Everyone have a blessed weekend. Though I sometimes comment in a manner unbefitting to a professed Christian, I do love the Lord. Every now and again, someone new to this site will make a wise crack, launch a driveby attack, while at the same time, never mentioning that they are a Believer, a Christian, or any telltale sign that God is the ruler of their lives.

    It is to those people that I might focus and give more than they either expect or can handle. I will not suffer a fool. I will use my liberty in the Lord to get their attention by any means deemed necessary. My relationship with the Lord is just that: My Relationship with the Lord. It is the business of absolutely NO ONE else. Acceptancce of Christ and the resulting eternal security is an individual thing. It is not up to Sally Mae, Jimmy Lee, or Levi to be concerned with, direct me, or, otherwise engage themselves in the A and B conversation between Jesus and me.

    One might point at the salty language that I sometimes use, my point blank demeanor, my acts of wishing such persons, either blessings or evil. My experience have been, to some, it is the only way to get their attention or that they are willing to listen to.

    Those who knows me and have been here over the long-haul, have a clue about what’s in my heart and that I mean no man either ill will or malice in anyway. We each have our own way of doing things and I will continue to do things the way in which I feel I am led. In the final analysis and if I am found to have been wrong on that Great Day, then, there is absolutely NO ONE, that can or will be willing to utter a single syllable, that will change what or how my God will judge me. All I know is that whatever He determines to be my eternal fate, will be just, will be accurate, and will be merciful.

    My prayer over this weekend will be that the Holy Spirit move in each of our lives in a mighty, mighty way.

    Be blessed

    Charles

  51. This comment is a copy of an exchange I’m having with someone else here at my blog.

    I don’t know why some deluded soul copied it here, but that deluded soul already knows they are not welcome on my blog, after my efforts to help them were rejected. They repeatedly sign up for new accounts several times after being banned. But I won’t allow her vain babblings and heresies to continue in my house.

    Titus 3:9-11 (King James Version)

    9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

    10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

    11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    On that I take my stand and my leave.

  52. GaryV said

    For rhe “judge not” crowd:

    1 Cor 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—10not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? IS IT NOT THOSE INSIDE THE CHURCH WHOM YOU ARE TO JUDGE?13God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

    JESUS SAID NOT TO JUDGE UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT. We must judge those INSIDE the church, and do it RIGHTEOUSLY (by the Word). To excuse blatant, unrepentant, repulsive sinful lifestyles IN THE PULPIT while ignoring 1 Tim 3, 1 Tim 5, and Titus is to deny God’s Word.

    How do you think Paul was going to have these folks expel adulterers and fornicators and drunkards from the church if no one was willing to pass JUDGMENT??

    Having sin does NOT mean having a sinful LIFESTYLE. I have sin, but I do not have the lifestyle of the unregenerate. Jamal Bryant does, and he refuses to repent. The Bible makes clear that anyone who claims to be a believer and lives the sort of filthy lifestyle Jamal does is NOT indwelt by God’s Spirit.

    1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth (Greek-continuous action-lifestyle) sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth (Greek-continuous action-lifestyle) in him sinneth (Greek-continuous action-lifestyle) not: whosoever sinneth (continuous action-lifestyle) hath not seen him, neither known him.
    1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    1Jo 3:8 He that committeth (continuous action-lifestyle) sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth (continuous action) from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (continuous action) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin (continuous action), because he is born of God.

    Contrast this with what John says about the children of god’s relationship to sin.

    1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin (Aorist tense-an EVENT, not a LIFESTYLE) not. And if any man sin (Aorist tense-an EVENT not a LIFESTYLE), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    The believer sins, but CANNOT live in a sinful LIFESTYLE because of God’s Presence in him.

    1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (Greek-continuous action-LIFESTYLE) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin (Greek-Continuous action-LIFESTYLE), because he is born of God.

    Paul and John are saying precisely the same thing.They are making it as clear as possible that there is a DISTINCTION between a believer who sins as an event which brings conviction and repentance, and a professed believer who sins CONTINUOUSLY with NO conviction or repentance as a LIFESTYLE. Anyone who calls themselves a believer, yet lives a LIFESTYLE of continuous unrepentant sin is a LIAR, and God does NOT dwell in that person.

    The answer??

    Therefore, “PURGE THAT EVIL (oh, that JUDGMENTAL Paul)person from among you.”

  53. Min. AJ said

    I am not siding with any particular viewpoint (let it be known). I wanted to remind my brothers and sisters, that we’re not the only ones reading these comments. Remember, your purposed to bring others to the knowledge of Christ, repentence and acceptance of His gift. The Word tells us that they know us by the LOVE we have for one another. Are you displaying love in this blog and the back and fort bickering? Also, the Word tells us that when we find a brother (or fellow believer) overtaken in a fault that we who are spiritual are to seek (search for how to) restore such a one in the Spirit of meekness.

    I beg of you, or Paul says “I beseech thee” by the mercies (unmerited favor) of God that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God which is your resonable (the least you can do) service. How are we doing that in these back and forth arguments?

    If we argue and fight amongst ourselves, we never have to worry about the damage we’re doing to the devil’s kingdom because we’re too busy tearing down God’s Kingdom on earth, the church, or believers, or ecclesia, you, & me.

    Be blessed

  54. Prayer said

    To my brother in the ministry, Rev. Dr. Jamal Harrison-Byrant, may He cloth you in His peace and love…..To all the critics, Galatians 6:1 says, “My freinds, if anyone is detected in a transgression, you who have received the Spirit should restore such a one in a spirit of meekness. Take care that you yourselves are not tempted.” Warning: Make sure that your houses are not in a rut (to the critics)! Pastor Byrant, I’m praying for you and with you. Blessings……

  55. If I may say,

    I definately agree that it’s quite impossible to go about destroying the Works of the Enemy when it seems in the Christian World the Kingdom’s divided….

    http://emissary7.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/blast-from-the-past-old-post-humble-orthodoxyunited-4-christ/

    And there are many teenagers who often feel that what the church has to offer seems of little value to what happens in the world when it seems they have rebellion against the Lord on their own—just on a different wavelength (i.e. backbitting, slander, gossip, insulting, divisiveness, party spirit such as “I’m of Paul”, “I’m of Apollos”, and an unwillingness to KEEP THE MAIN THING THE MAIN THING,, which is the Centrality of CHrist)

    Some things to consider:

    Ephesians 4:1-6

    On one side of the coin, we shouldn’t be concentrating on what divides us (non-essential things, to note, like baptizing by immersion or sprinkling or whether or not you believe in spiritual gifts/the miraculous still being available today, etc.), and we need to remember what unites us together in God—Faith in Christ.

    Apart from that, how can we live lives worthy of the calling to spread the gospel or ever truly see how differing “gifts/viewpoints can help the church as it does God’s work‿? Apart from learning to enjoy the way that the “members of the body of Christ’s complement one another”, how can we truly be effective in serving the Lord? (1 Corinthians 12:1-31)

    Moreover, seeing that Christianity isn’t a “private/individualistic” thing based and that it’s not about competition (i.e. thinking one’s gifting is superior to another) or exalting our gifting/self advancement (Philippians 2:1-11) but rather about using our abilities to serve the body, we need to appreciate/encourage one another in whatever attempts are made to do so

    Since none of us are flawless, of course we need to walk in humility when dealing with issues of fault/sin (Matthew 7:3-6, Galatians 6:1-3), and we need to love other Christians in patience and gentleness (Ephesians 4:2) since Christ has done the same for us….not dwelling on our weaknesses or finding fault/starting conflict simply for the sake of doing so since Christ has forgiven us/been merciful to us when even we were unaware of our the dangers of our sin (Luke 23:32-34, Romans 5:6-11) and since we don’t have permission to not to serve/be merciful and love those who’ve sin when we’ve received so much mercy/kindness from Him for our sins first (Matthew 18:21-35, Ephesians 5:1)—to do otherwise would be a mockery of Him, the only one perfect enough to Condemn (James 4:11-12).

    On the other side of the coin, however, unity for the sake of unity is not what we’re called to. To seek unity apart from being unified in the Spirit—that is, everything that is in line with the nature Spirit of God–that not what we’re called to. Moreover, whereas its’ one thing to not be in conflict with whatever’s non-essential, it’s another thing entirely to avoid be divided and have conflict over those which are (ex. joining with those who say Jesus wasn’t perfect, or not addressing those who believe that Grace is a license to sin!!).

    Even Christ didn’t come to bring the kind of unity that “glosses over deep differences just for the sake of superficial harmony.” He himself came to bring division…the kind of conflict and disagreement that will/should come up for those follow Him and those who don’t (Matthew 10:34-39, Luke 12:49-53)

    How in the world are we gonna reach the world 4 Christ by seeking simply to be unified when we’re not in Unity with the One sending us to begin with? If I’m not united first in Christ (i.e. all He stands for), am I’m not divided against Christ (Matthew 12:25-37)? If I maintain a worldly mentality and unite with whatever offensive to Christ, do I not make myself an enemy of Christ (James 4:4-5)?

    If I try to “pick and “choose” with the Word or seek to be selective with any of His ideas I prefer/match my agenda….and If I overlook the price that comes with following Him, can I ever hope to be a true disciple of Christ? (Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 9:21-27, Luke 9:51-62, Luke 14:15-34)

    In promoting/ignoring ungodly works from the Kingdom of Darkness (i.e. anything contrary to what’s in line with God’s Heart), what hope is there for me to even promote effectively or live fully for the Kingdom of Christ (I John 1:5-9, and I John 2:15-17)?

  56. Zman said

    He is too sexy to leave the pulpit!

  57. Zman,

    Romans 13:14 (King James Version)

    14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

    Turn from that evil!

  58. Job said

    IC:

    Zman was being facetious.

  59. Oh sorry 😳 .

  60. Job said

    IC:

    I understand that it was a reflex action from a guy that fights a lot of battles 🙂

  61. Charles said

    Okay, you guys gonna tell me how to make winking eyes, blushing faces, underscoring, and lets see what else……..bold, italics, and faces with eyeglasses, OR, are you gonna hold it against me cuz Imma Barack voter?????? 🙂 I can still do that one!!

    Chaz

  62. Smilies: http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

    How to make Links to other web Sites

    I don’t see a good write-up about the other tags, but maybe someone else can help you with those.

  63. Cop said

    IC

    When your not swing the sword to defend the faith, or giving us a Bible study lesson on your site, YOUR ALRIGHT! 🙂

    WHY in the world was Jamal at this years NBA allstar game (I caught a commercial on the word network)giving shout outs instead of trying to mend his marriage. Oh wait, I know the answer.
    MO WOMEN, MO WOMEN, MO WOMEN!!!
    He has a lot to learn.

  64. Staff-D said

    It’s really sad to see how we as Christians began to judge and down other Christian who have fallen to sin. We send comments with our opinions on how we knew that Jamal or others where false and fake. I just have one question for all of us. What if God shined a light on all of us? What would that light reveal? See it’s easy to say I told you so, or he was never right in the first place, but before you cast your judgment just think….what if my sins found me out how would other saints or Christians Judge me. Instead of judging Jamal, pray for him because the same way we judge others we will be judge. I am not a follower or Fan of Jamal Bryant, but I refuse to sit and judge the man and cast him down. The bible clearly says touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm. We better be careful in what we say about Jamal and any other Christian. Just because they have been found in sin doesn’t mean their not anointed.

  65. CC said

    Fact: An interesting…but non-christ like blog this is… Independent Conservative..stating a fact, not making a judgement…a simple observation.
    To make a judgement my heart would have to be involved.

    The Beautiful thing about Jesus Christ was that He saw what was in people’s hearts, and he dealt with those who were broken, one on one when it came to the intimate details of their life. He didn’t broadcast their dilema, in an effort to SHAME them, or draw attention to them, or draw “lookers on.”
    What is your motive Independent Conservative?
    Is your motive to warn believers of false prophets? The Word does that. The Holy Spirit can do that. Is your motive to add restoration to the Body of Christ. Love can do that. Love is gentle and kind, man of God.

    Another beautiful thing about Jesus Christ was that he talked to each person he talked to about THEMSELVES. He did not talk to Peter about John, or talk to Paul about Peter. Dear Man of God, perhaps if you were truly, deep in your heart of hearts on fire for the Lord, and not lukewarm–(fact, not judgement)you would be completely and utterly consumed with YOUR OWN relationship with Christ and running YOUR OWN race.

    Love protects.

    Who has trained you Independent Conservative? Your flesh or The Holy Spirit?

    Dear Man of God, the Word of God says that one is a “clanging gong” if they have not LOVE. In the capacity and context that this blog is written, you are not presently benefiting or representing Christ well. If your blogs were infused with correction, from the perspective and with the tone of LOVE, it might be more believable.

    For the sake of looking at things from your perspective though—

    a) While you may be correct in referencing Titus and Timothy………a leader might indeed be rightfully requested to sit down, especially after proving a lifestyle of sin, rather than holiness—but the sit down would be for the purpose of RESTORATION, FORGIVENESS, and PROTECTION: ultimately love…not done in the tone and manner in which you operate in.

    b) Im sure you would agree that God allows whatever happens in the earth realm. He is in CONTROL. You are clearly not in church leadership, and clearly not directly connected with Jamal Bryant—guess what? God did that. If you were up to God’s standard of what a leader should be, perhaps you would be “promoted,” to something a bit more visible than a blog. Perhaps then—-you could sit in ajudication of leadership.

    Take the plank out of your own eye first?

    If Jesus walked up to you right now…….

    he might lovingly gaze at you…..and invite you to sup with Him……to talk about….

    You.

    The Word of God says that LOVE (God is love) covers a sin.
    Fact: This blog is accusatory. Satan is the accuser of the brethren….
    Fact: The Holy Spirit convicts, not condemns…….

    Why don’t we all abstain from this blog, and get in our own lanes, as we run the race marked out for each of us? This demon inspired blog can be shut down….simply from abstaining.

    SUBMIT TO GOD, Resist the Devil, and he shall flee…..

    May God richly bless you Independent Conservative….may you be infused with the love of Christ, the mind of Christ, and the peace that surpasses understanding.

    In His Service,

    CC

  66. endlessvr said

    I have read all most all the comments that were posted, and i’ll just add a little bit. we have all sinned and come short. I have found myself in that position not once nor twice. God does forgive sin, he did ask those without sin cast the first stone, all pastors are human and they do fall. Here i’m just stating the obvious. But as for me I will not play the hypocrite game. I have followed Jamal’s ministry for maybe three years but have lost interest. Not because of the news about his extramarital affair but simply because our spirit does not match up. But back to sinning and leadership and judging. Whenever i find myself in the position that i’ve sinned, I become mad at myself, not because of what people might say if they found out, but i’m mad for the sole reason that after commiting a sin whatever it might have been, in so doing i misrepresent Christ and the body of Christ. the problem with us today is this, ewe have become spoiled , selfish and inconsiderate as (born again Christians). So it’s easy for us to sin and its easy for us to say I’m just human, it’s just the flesh. But God is saying to the body of Christ enough is enough, and whether we believe it or not He will come for His church, the one without spot or blemish. God is a forgiver of sin and He can forgive the vilest of a sinner and use them for HIS glory. What has happened in the body of Christ is that we often time take the glory for ourselves and in so doing God no longer resides in us which causes us to fall easily. If Jamal has accepted his faults and repented, we dont know and quite frankly it’s not for us to debate As people on a whole let’s not put our trust in man, because they will fail us.

    As for judging, Galatians 5 will answer that, A true believer should profess the fruits of the spirit, without it no one would be able to see Christ manifest in your life. So only with that should we really judge others.

    To all of us let’s remember that everything we do should reflect God and who He is. And when we allow the enemy to invade our lives and we sin then in so doing Christ is not glorified and we show forth to the world not THE Christ but our christ which is the flesh.

  67. Job said

    Endlessvr:

    Thank you. I agree with everything that you said. I will use your comments for a post!

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  69. endlessvr said

    The world is looking o the chruch for a change and if we cant offer it then what’s our real purpose? If Jamal is really called by God then, i’m sure that God will put him down in order to bring him up. Maybe the problem was not so much that he marry too soon but that he is a work in progress like anyone of us and PLEASE do not misinterpret what i’m saying. Sin is sin and it’s nothing other than that. But the righteous man falls, and he get’s back up again.

    My main point here today is this, when one desires a certain office , they should really, really, really seek GOd because the more that’s given is the more that’s required, and when you’re in leadership you are required to be a certain way and this only happens when self is crucified (on a daily basis) Let’s not condemn him, nor should we condone his wrongs, but let’s pray that GOd’s glory will be seen through all of this.

  70. Hannah Williams said

    All I know it that this is so tragic to hear, first Juanita Bynum then Paula White and now Jamal Bryant. It makes me take an introspection as a Bible student getting ready to enter into ministry in the next few years. I’m deeply hurt by all of this DEEPLY HURT, how can we as Christians now come together and rage war on the enemy for destroying what the Lord has ordained. I don’t know him personally but I love his preaching and its really sad to know of such an event. Christians from all over the world let us unite in prayer for our brothers and sisters!!!!!

  71. Hannah Williams, is it OK if we pray God perhaps call Jamal-Harrison Bryant to repentance for the many heresies he spews continually, leading saints to a false gospel?

  72. janet jackson said

    Pastor Jamal bryant is free now ladies; beware he comes with kids which is a blessing!! All real christian women go for it you might be the new 1st lady of empowerment temple; Gizzelle is history God is setting his servants free from wrong relationships- divorce is a good thing in that case!! Know ladies this man of God need a real woman of God to walk in ministry with, just think of all the benefits you get; Take note Bishop Thomas Weeks is availble too- go after him to ladies he has been set free from Juanita Bynum, Praise God for it- the truth is she was abusing him not the other way around!! In closing men beware of Jezebel&Delilah type women they will make your life a living hell! All real men of God get ride of your evil wives before they destory your ministry/church that same go for women too.-…….Prophetess Janet

  73. Job, you better tell me the person calling themselves “Prophetess Janet” was being facetious.

  74. Joia said

    Oh WOW!!!!!!!! If I had know this situation, I would NOT HAVE supported him when he was in Houston a couple of weeks ago PREACHING. NOW THAT I HAVE LEARNED OF THIS I CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND MANY OF HIS COMMENTS AND WHY “WOMEN WERE HEAVILY FLOCKING THE CHURCH THAT NIGHT. THE VERY MOMENT HE OPENED HIS MOUTH WOMEN WERE FALLING OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
    IT WAS ALL COUNTERFEIT AND I TRULY SENSED IT AT THE TIME HE VISITED HOUSTON NOT KNOWING OF HIS LIFESTYLE AT THE TIME. wHAT AN EMBARRASSMENT TO GOD AND HE IS NOT PLEASED.

    ONE CAN PREACH A BETTER SERMON WITH THEIR LIFE THAN WITH THEIR LIPS.

  75. Jerome said

    I think all of you so called christians need to quit judging the man… Because personally if you want to deal with the bible from and exegetical point of view.. the bible clearly states and I “you who are over taken in a fault those that are spiritual are to restore them”… quit being so quick to condem start helping to restore the brother don’t cut him off… So many so-called christians practise AMPUTATION and not RESTORATION!!!!!!!!!

  76. melvena said

    Dominique, you sound like you want Pastor Jamal Bryant for yourself. Think about his wife as well as his children.

  77. Vernon R. said

    In 2001 after being liscensed to preach, initially I adopted much of the standard “health and wealth” “word faith” “charismatic” “seed and harvest”, etc. lingo. These movements ARE NOT BIBLICAL. Please answer this question for me: Why is it that whenever someone offers “Bible based” warnings and corrections, they are resisted, scorned, and persecuted by other believers?!? If ANY one of us would build our ministry on heretical teachings, we would be assured of a disastrous fall. Our hearts break for Pastor Jamal Bryant, but moreso for his family, his church, and the millions he and others have mislead with his OBVIOUS heresy. Are we to “earnestly contend for the faith”, or just spout the popular slogan, “nobody’s perfect”? The truth is “all have sinned”, but, did Paul stop writing there?Didn’t Paul also write Romans 16:17-18? Col 2:8? Eph 5:6-11 1 Thes 5:21? Aren’t the scriptures alone supposed to be “sole authority” for Christian faith and practice (sola scriptura)? I’m beginning to understand our Lord’s question in Luke 18:8…nevertheless, when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? We often remind each other of “Christian love”. Is it “Christian love” to sit on the sidelines and allow millions to be led to an everlasting, tormenting Hell?!? Would the prophet Jeremiah be received in most of our churches today? Is JESUS welcome?!? Dare we desire and defend Barabas?

  78. Vernon R., if these pimps were physically raping a young woman in their family, they’d know certain situations must be addressed a certain way then. They would not be sitting around claiming do nothing except “but pray and let him back” then. If 1 Corinthians 5 is the Word of God, I am to rebuke and avoid the covetous man. More than enough people have told Bryant and others their doctrine is total heresy, only to have their warnings rejected. Best we’ve ever been able to get out of Bryant, is to stop him from lying about where he went to college. Oh yea, the pimps are keeping up with what we say about them, but their response is selective and they don’t turn from their heretical doctrines. And when I speak about rape of a young woman, I guess we’ll have to hope the rumors of him being with an under-aged girl (which in some places would be statutory rape) are untrue, but many who even were members of his assembly say the rumors are true, more than just 2-3 say it.

    Vernon R., I pray the Lord wills that those opposing read the scriptures you’ve asked them to review. Because there is a time to simply bring someone back in the fold and there is a time to reject the heretic, as detailed in Titus 3:9-11.

  79. sunshine1 said

    All I can say is WOW! On behalf of all the non Christians in the world, the tone of the bogs left on this site all I can say is there is a better atmosphere almost amongst the sinners because the examples and the things that have been said, they way that they have been said leaves the devil saying he doesn’t have to work that hard to keep sinners from repenting….. Who in the world would want to represent what many of you represent by the words you speak no matter how religious you put it. If Christianity is what you call being represented on this site, I would rather just not have it and that is a shame. After all your word exchanges, in the end if it causes just one not in some way to be encouraged to join Christ, looks like all your fancy words and sharing scriptures were in vail. Out of all things God says to love, love your neighbor as yourself, and even when scripture should be shared, it should be shared out of the conviction of love. Not feeling surperiour of your position no matter what stand you take. I am greatly ashamed.

  80. sunshine1 said

    And after all of your debates, this man has probably moved on with his life and may have made peace with God to re-connect his relationship and that matter is only determined by God himself and no matter what are views, you are not there, and truly will never know, so from the little I know, keep your mouth off of this man. That situation has come and gone and all of you are still spreading gossip, rumors and even if its the truth. Once God has forgiven this man, it is not our place to decide his destiny. If you enjoy his preaching, then support his ministry as long as it is based upon scripture. For all of you saying they should be held at a higher power for all the scriptures that you share I am sure if we look deep enough would have more than enough to blog about YOU. Whomever you are, Pastor Bryant, my prayers are with you, your family and church ministry, and as a person growing to know the Lord more, unlike many of the so-called Christians on this site, I love you with the love of Christ, God Bless! And I love each of you. Thank you for listening

  81. Vernon R. said

    Sunshine1,
    Of all the posts I’ve read, yours breaks my heart the most. Please understand, most “professing” Christians have “missed” Christ. For too long, I was one of them. Whenever a preacher is preaching falsely, Jesus is misrepresented and people are led to HELL after having been constantly reassured of Heaven. Of course we love and pray for Pastor Bryant, his church, family, and children. Is that all Christ commands concerning false teachers? In love I ask, Is it wrong to warn the sheep when wolves are in the vicinity? Last question: Who REALLY deters unbelievers?

  82. SearchingforTruth said

    Good morning,

    I sit here reading all that has been written. I find it hard to bear those that say that they are Christians and love God not willing to obey the scriptures. How do you see, read the scriptures as it is written and challenge it as it is IC’s words, this is scripture folks! Those of you that find yourself defending these liars, deceivers, motovational speakers, money hungry, my church is bigger than your church, Bently driving wolves in the pulpit (pulpit pimps)isn’t rightly dividing the word of truth. You can’t know Jesus and or the Holy Spirit does not dwell inside of you! Think about it, how many of you are driving what they drive or have what they have? None! But you defend them and their sinful lifestyles and heresies! How can you so easily defend a lie and you know it’s a lie, you say you are reading your Bibles or is it just that you are only reading and not comprehending and getting a understanding. I dare to say “not” you are just going on what “Passa” say. It sadden me to think about those that have been in church for years sitting and agreeing with heresies and liking it. What will your answer be when you face God, but God understand my Passa didn’t tell me that! “Oh foolish people”, what about 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved a workman not ashamed rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Rather be warned and told the truth about pulpit pimps and the wolves among us, no you want this post and others like it to appease your flesh and theirs. “Back to the Bible my friends, back to the Bible. To all that can’t stand the heat please stay out of the kitchen!

  83. I was married to a Baptist pastor for 18 yrs. I divorced him after repeated years of adultery inside and outside our church. The final straw was after our daughter found him having sex in our home with my lifelong best friend. I still love my husband and now realize that all that has happened to our family was a direct hit by Satan to sabotage and finally annihilate our family and ministry.

    I am completing a book about minister’s who cheat. The focus of the book is to challenge churches to come into the knowledge that adultery in our pulpits is not about sex. It is spiritual warfare against God’s program. Also much of this behavior would be reduced if churches started holding their pastor’s accountable for their private/personal lives when it becomes public.

    I do not advocate taking these matters into our own hands unless it is done in love and according to the scriptures. That means praying for your leader and encouraging to seek some type of help. The problem can not be resolved while he continues preaching. That preacher needs a sabbatical to figure out why? What was the root of his issue? My church and I lived in denial while my husband cheated, caused family divisions, broke hears, stunted the ministry. It was years of scandal, mess, and lost souls. It was awful and we just swept it under the rug.

    My husband fought for his marriage, cried and begged me for forgiveness, takes care of our children, and is a called and anointed man of God. But he refuses to acknowledge that his sexual addiction is just that. he refuses to ask himself why he risk his family, ministry, reputation and walk with our Heavenly father for sex.

    I left him during a period of extreme pain, unforgiveness, confusion, and suppressed anger. I regret that I wasn’t praying. I was emotional and did not consult God on what I should do. my heart was broken and my head was not working.

    I don’t judge ministers who fall into this category. I understand them and I understand that sex is just the avenue Satan is using. The church of God needs to go into strategic warfare, pray, and hold ministers to a higher standard (as outlined in the bible). Accountability is the word for the day. Churches go to your preacher in love and have him seek help for his indiscretions.

    God is going to restore my family and the issue of adultery in the pulpit is going to our platform. Romans 8:28

    Stop arguing and making your points. Make a difference in your church home and pray for your pastors now!

  84. Job said

    Marilyn Taylor:

    1. If your husband committed adultery, then according to the words of Jesus Christ, you are free to divorce him.

    2. If your husband or ex – husband is an adulterer, he has no business in the pulpit. The Bible is clear on the requirements for a pastor. How is claiming that an adulterer should be in the pulpit is different from saying that a person who rejects the deity, resurrection, or virgin birth of Jesus Christ should be in the pulpit?

    3. What on earth makes you think that I am not already praying for our pastors? There is no contradiction whatsoever between praying for people that belong in the pulpit and opposing the evil works of those who do not. As a matter of fact, it goes hand in hand. If you only oppose the bad preachers, people will not know that there are good ones. On the other hand, if you support the good ones and are silent about the bad, then people will be unable to discern the good preachers from the bad ones. Those who know the truth should oppose bad preachers while praising good ones so that those seeking Jesus Christ as well as those new in the faith will know who to look for and who to avoid, not by their names but by their works. I am not going to stay silent in the face of these wolves so that someone seeking God or new in the faith will follow them, because if I do so, God will hold me accountable.

    4. “I understand that sex is just the avenue Satan is using.” And how is that different from any other avenue? What if it was murder? Would you advocate a mass murderer or serial killer stay in the pulpit?

    5. “The church of God needs to go into strategic warfare …” Strategic warfare? Are we green berets in Iraq and Afghanistan? The church of God needs to count the cost and stand up for God, and allow God to fight our battles. Even if it costs us our jobs, our families, our freedom, our comfort, and even our lives in this earth, if we stand for Him now we will be vindicated in the next. But if we pick and choose our battles based on our flesh, based on what is convenient and comfortable for us, then what will be our fate in the afterlife? Jesus Christ stated that many who call Him “Lord Lord” and even do mighty works in His Name will be rejected!

    My heart goes out to you after what happened to you. But how could you endure all this pain, hurt, betrayal, and misery in this life only to compromise on the Bible and experience far worse for eternity in the next? What you have been through should drive you closer to God and make you even more determined to inherit the kingdom of heaven even as a mere doorkeep than to try to hold onto the things of this world and miss out on New Jerusalem for the world’s sake.

  85. Wow, I thank God for directing me to this site. He is constantly leading, changing, and directing me. He has just taught me to follow my discernment. There is something very wrong here. You are a radical attacker and I have too many serious battles to fight. This forum is not one of them. I am signing off this site and shunning the very appearance of evil. The Devil is a lie. Bye

  86. Oh one last word for Job – comprehension is the word for the day. God Bless you with comprehension.

  87. Fashionista73 said

    Job-
    I don’t think Marilyn Taylor meant that for you to understand her situation from a fleshly perspective. Admittedly, most (and I mean >90%)persons would definitely leave a cheating spouse. Once trust is destroyed, what is left? But Ms. Taylor maybe wanted to take things from a more spiritual perspective. Of course, I understand where you’re coming from, too. The Lord makes no distinction when it comes to sin. Adultery is no worse than murder is no worse than lying, etc. If God hates all sin, why do we place a value on certain ones? Why is murder punishable and adultery a “private issue?” I have to agree that far too many “saints” make provision where there should be none (i.e. the transgression is in direct opposition to the Word). While I cannot (and will not) speak for you, Marilyn Taylor or God, I understand the various POVs. While I can’t say that I would be regretful for being released from an 18 year torment (at least, that’s how her post read), my guess is that she really loved the man more than she hated the sin and saw the divorce as Satan’s wrecking of her home, ministry, etc.

  88. Vernon R. said

    Job,
    After reading many of your posts, I’m inspired, enlightened, strengthened, encouraged, and even convicted. My friend, you are a blessing! How can a preacher, after having an 18 year history of sexual affairs, be called an “anointed man of God”? Today’s “anything goes” brand of “christianity” greatly misrepresents the faith we’re told to earnestly contend for. I am endlessly amazed at the sympathy sought for wolves, while sheep are misled and the lost world goes to Hell.

  89. After reading all of your statements; I must say I am sure that someone is reading their Bible and is understanding it, by not only reading it; but studying it.
    To Marilyn, I have never been in your situation, so I cannot say I know how you feel. However, I must say that according to God word, you aid your husband in his sins by silent lips. The Bible clearly tells us not to be partaker in another man sin. We are called to cry loud and spare not, according to Isiah.
    The Bible declare that we “BE YE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY”. (GOD WOULD NOT TELL US TO BE SOMETHING THAT HE KNOWS WE CAN NOT BE)
    Now, I know that someone will disagree. The Bible also tells us that non of his continue in sin. The problem with
    the church everywhere today; is that we try to justify man/woman acts of sin. You know that is just what Satan is doing in the mist of the so called anointed man or woman of God. But just think about what you are saying;
    and then go back to the word of God regarding The real anointed Leader of the church. God told us in the last days that all of these will happen in the church; we have
    been forewarned in his word. and he even told us how to response to this. Everything we need to know, every question that is before us, there is an answer in the Bible. In all their ways acknowledge him (God) and he will direct our path. The Bible say that Jesus came to seek and to save the one who is lost. Wolves in the pulpit
    is there for just the opposite. Let all of us stand up and cry loud and spare not. If we don’t stand for something we will fall for anything.
    There is so much going on in the Church today PASTORS, BISHOP, MINISTERS, ELDERS MOLESTING OUR YOUNG CHILDRENS IN ALL FAITHS AND THE LEADERS JUST SAY PRAY FOR THEM. AND FOR YEARS MANY BOYS AND GIRLS LIVES ARE BEING DESTROYED IN
    THE CHURCH. Tell me if a young boy or girl in your church
    came to you and told you that the bishop, pastor, minister or anyone had sexual abused them; would you be silent? MY heart is real heavy right about now, regarding
    this situation because after many years of being silent, Now we who know the truth must take a bold stand and say” we will not be silent anymore” While lives are being destroyed by wolves in the pulpit. When you truly take a
    stand for God and what is right you will not be loved for it. Jesus is our perfect example. If they didn’t love him for telling the truth neither will they love us. God will take care of you

  90. When someone is hurt, they need to be healed from that hurt.
    Now, our taking a stand against wolves in the pulpit who rape,kill, and steal is just what need to be done.
    To expose the devil. And we will continue to pray for the
    victim deliverance For we know that God is Able.

    I really feel for the children as so many others feel the same sadness for them. But we know that if we remain silent, this cancer will continue, and many more lives will be destroyed. Men in leadership need to be held accountable for what they do (hiding up a title). God forbid!

    For every one who is saved God said let this same mind be in you that is yet in Christ Jesus. These men have not the mind of Christ. They are of their father the Devil.

    Because they have a soul, we are to pray for them to get saved. But we are told not to be a partaker of their sins.

  91. Leo Koo said

    It’s a bit dated, but here’s my perplexed take on this.

    1) True enough we’re called to love, because God loves, but more than love, God’s primary characteristic is holiness.
    2) w/o holiness, we can’t be used by God. God uses vessels of Honor, not of dishonor. (2 Tim 2:21)
    3) ‘Do not touch my anointed’? – anointing comes from abiding, and has it’s root word in consecrate, holiness.
    4) What anointing does a minister has when he is not consecrated nor holy?
    5) Finally, ministry is a heavy responsibility and an awesome call, first and foremost of integrity. Being called myself, I know if I’ve commited adultery, I’ve lost my anointing, aborted my calling and missed out on what God wants for me

  92. John Kaniecki said

    Lee Koo,

    Hi hope you are well.

    God’s primary charcteristic is holiness?

    That is not scriptural. God is Love. 1 Corinthians 13, without Love we are nothing. The two greatest commandments to Love God and to Love neighbour.

    Where are you scriptures that prove God’s primary characteristic is holiness?

    Love,

    John

  93. tee said

    To this entire site, all I can say is WOW !!!!! This explains why people dont believe there is help in the church. This site just proves that the church is a very very busy place. Why would I want to come to church after reading this. What can you tell me that would make me want to go. Your comments to each other is crazy, your comments about Mr. Bryant is crazy. What is so great about church. If people in church conduct themselves this way. I would rather stay in the streets !

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