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Mormon Racism: The Claim That Mary Mother Of Jesus Christ Was White Caucasian!

Posted by Job on December 30, 2007

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Nephi’s vision: “And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white. “And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou? “And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.” And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh. “And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit… “And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.”And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father!” (1 Nephi 11:13-15,18-21)

Somehow, I am certain that if Mary was white while every other Jew in Israel was ancient near eastern that it would have been mentioned in the Bible. Now some well known racist groups claim that the entire Jewish race was white. I know that my preferred King James Version speaks of certain people, particularly Sarah and David, as being “fair of countenance.” But there is a difference between being “fair” (using black people as an example see Colin Powell) and WHITE. Further, Mormon racism holds Mary to be “fair” AND “white.” Incidentally, according to other translations, the word that King James Version translated as “fair” actually generally means “attractive” and has no bearing on color or complexion (“ruddy countenance” merely means “healthy complexion” in some translation and “reddish looking” in others).

Oh and by the way, the actual BIBLE does not refer to the appearance of Miriam (HER ACTUAL JEWISH NAME AND NOT HER EUROPEAN TRANSLITERATION MARY!) being fair. As a matter of fact, I recall no reference of where it speaks of the appearance of Mary AT ALL. Now of course, those of us that practice Christianity in the west generally regard Jesus Christ and other Bible figures as being Caucasian because that is how we have generally seen them represented in western religious art over the centuries, and in more recent times in movies and television shows. But it has long been known that these images were of the people making them and the culture that produced them, not of what all available evidence points to. And yes, actual evidence does exist in the form of a great number of ancient extrabiblical sources that spoke of the Jews: Greek, Roman, Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian, etc. Not one of these extrabiblical sources spoke of THE GREAT CURIOSITY OF THIS WHITE RACE THAT EXISTS AMONG ALL THE BROWN PEOPLES OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

But alas, Joseph Smith, who taught that blacks were slaves because of our being the cursed seed of Canaan, was a man of his time and place, a very ethnocentric white American culture, so it was quite natural for him to believe that the representations of Mary that he had seen all his life were accurate. But that proves still more that he did not receive any revelation. It is rather easy to correlate the descendants of Canaan with any Bible atlas (see link to some maps here and a map here) and see that Canaan’s cursed descendants did not settle in Africa. It was false doctrine used to justify slavery. Genesis 10:19 says “And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.” So according to the BIBLE, the cursed people that would serve the descendants of Shem (Shem = SEMITES by the way, and ONCE AGAIN THE SEMITES WERE NOT EUROPEAN SO EVEN IF THE CANAANITES WERE BLACK THEY WERE ONLY CURSED TO SERVE SEMITES, NOT EUROPEANS OR ANYONE ELSE!) lived in the very land that became ISRAEL, NOT AFRICA.

So rather than being a prophet, the fellow just absorbed and regurgitated the false racial religious ideas that were dominant in his day. Now Mormons defend Joseph Smith’s racial views by correctly saying that Christians had the same views. And that is true. The problem, however, is that Christians of that time and place never claimed to receive new revelations from God, and certainly none that replaced the original revelation. Joseph Smith was the one who placed the utterly false racial ideas of early 1800s American Christianity into the Book of Mormon, and claimed that those false racial ideas came directly from God!

That is why all Christians have to do in order to reject these racist lies is go back to the Bible which does not contain them. Mormons, meanwhile, are stuck with the racist lies that are in the Book of Mormon, and cannot do anything about them other than dissemble and attack the character of those that mention it. And yes, the primary charge that is levied against those that dare speak of what is actually in the Book of Mormon (written by a European American when the BIBLE was written by Jews plus Luke the Gentile convert … please read John 4:22 as it is there for a reason)? BIGOTRY. How ironic, and how sad.

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73 Responses to “Mormon Racism: The Claim That Mary Mother Of Jesus Christ Was White Caucasian!”

  1. Angie said

    In order for God to put a temporary leprosy curse on Miriam for railing against Moses, she had to be with color to begin with. God turned Moses hand white, but he turned it back to his normal color. Again, he had to be of color. Europeans are pale to begin with so what was the point for God to turn them to a leprous color. If Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus were European, hiding in Egypt from the Roman king Herod, their color would have stood out and would be easy to find. A college professor whom I once had, who is European once told the whole class in 2006 that it was geographically impossible for Europeans to live in the region that Jesus once lived. You can forget Egypt. Their skin could not take it. It is questionable about todays European Jews in Israel. Their looks and the way they live is a contradiction to scriptures. Even Jesus is of color. It seems like no one wants to face the truth, nor talk about it. If you think that the bible is a white man’s book as claimed, you’ve better read it again.

    • Linda Smith said

      Mary was an Israelite. She was not of the tribe of Ishmael, nor was she a Canaanite. She was fair skinned.

  2. Angie said

    By the way, out of the mouth of the professor, he said Jesus was black.

  3. Charles D. said

    Again, the thing that makes Romney kind of dangerous is the fact that he believe in LDS non-sense. By default he believe in discriminatory doctrine. The fact that he appear to have succeeded in business means precious little. Don’t know how many have seen HBO’s “Big Love” but it indicated where that character got his money.

    Also, Romney headed the defense communication firm seeking to be acquired by a Chinese Government entity, and although he has been asked to speak agaonst such an acquisition, he has flat refused to do so. Goggle Romney+defense contractor+communications if you want to learn more about this subject.

    Charles

  4. Eden Hadassah said

    Angie,
    He could have been black or brown or even light brown.
    He is beautiful in what ever skin tone he has. I love that he came in the flesh and dwelt among us! He is the tabernacle and he is beautiful…may he be forever praised!

  5. Joe said

    Angie, it doesn’t matter what one person says if Jesus was black or not. And as a Mormon I don’t care what color Jesus was. And Angie, why would Mary’s skin color be determined by Moses’ or his sister’s. As for Charles, HBO’s “Big Love” claimed to have had a mormon man. However Mormons do not practice polygamy and many of us are appalled by the False image that that show brought upon Mormons.
    As to my understanding nowhere does it say that Nephites were caucation. It said that Nephites were fair skinned and Lamanites had darker skin. Although those that wrote the Book of Mormon were Prophets of God and inspired by the Lord, they were still man. Lehi and his family and the family of his friend all left to the Americas from Jerusalum, which is in the Middle East. Thus the skintone of Nephi’s wasn’t neccesarily the lightest ever, it might not have been black, however he wasn’t caucassion. Mary’s skintone could have been the lightest color that he had seen. Not all Egytians have really dark skin. Many from the Middle East that are not part caucassion have seemingly white skin. Now the Book of Mormon only states that Mary had White skin. Not Joseph or Jesus. Mary could have stayed in doors for some part. Plus Egypt was not within Harad’s kingdom, so they were safe. They left to get away from Harad. Saying that one person had white skin is NOT racism. And most of that article siting Joseph Smith was about how Slaves shouldn’t be petitioning the Northeern States because people that are not surrounded by the conditions of the slaves could not even begin to comprehend how terrible their conditions were. They had to rally those in the South because they were able to see the torturous conditions that the slaves lived in. Thus they cared more about them. That’s not racism. That’s giving good advice. Petition those who you can get involved. How is that Racism?

  6. Charles D. said

    Hey Joe, how are you?
    My comment about HBO’s Big Love (I’m glad you’re familiar with it though), had absolutely nothing to do with polygamy.
    Rather it had to do with where the main character got the money to start his enterprises. I was in my own way, saying the same about Romney.

    Now regarding the race thing, you said as follows:

    “And most of that article siting Joseph Smith was about how Slaves shouldn’t be petitioning the Northeern States because people that are not surrounded by the conditions of the slaves could not even begin to comprehend how terrible their conditions were. They had to rally those in the South because they were able to see the torturous conditions that the slaves lived in. Thus they cared more about them. That’s not racism. That’s giving good advice. Petition those who you can get involved. How is that Racism?”

    Okay, now I realize I’m slow, but that coming from Joseph Smith? What do you think his motivation was? You say “good advice” and I say for whom was it good advice? When you answer that, which I do not expect you to do so; much like another gentlemorman named Criag. Then, consider the LDS doctrine regarding “race” until they were sued to high heavens in 1976, then Smith’s motivation becomes crystal clear.

    Charles

  7. Charles D. said

    Hey Joe, how are you?

    My comment about HBO’s Big Love (I’m glad you’re familiar with it though), had absolutely nothing to do with polygamy.
    Rather it had to do with where the main character got the money to start his enterprises. I was in my own way, saying the same about Romney.

    Now regarding the race thing, you said as follows:

    “And most of that article siting Joseph Smith was about how Slaves shouldn’t be petitioning the Northeern States because people that are not surrounded by the conditions of the slaves could not even begin to comprehend how terrible their conditions were. They had to rally those in the South because they were able to see the torturous conditions that the slaves lived in. Thus they cared more about them. That’s not racism. That’s giving good advice. Petition those who you can get involved. How is that Racism?”

    Okay, now I realize I’m slow, but that coming from Joseph Smith? What do you think his motivation was? You say “good advice” and I say for whom was it good advice? When you answer that, which I do not expect you to do so; much like another gentlemorman named Criag. Then, consider the LDS doctrine regarding “race” until they were sued to high heavens in 1976, then Smith’s motivation becomes crystal clear.

    Charles

  8. Angie said

    This man Joseph Smith went beyond Revelations 22:18-19 and it would be no surprise he’s paying for it in hell.

  9. Job said

    joe:

    Do you know anything at all about biology or anthropology? Look, for Mary to have been white would have been a miracle. Such a miracle would have been noted in scripture, and would have made Jesus Christ being accepted as the Messiah MUCH EASIER. Remember the gospels where the people said “Who does this Jesus of Nazareth think he is? We know his mother!” Instead it would have been “This man going about healing and preaching is the son of the only white woman in the history of our race and nation! Of course He is the Messiah!”

    Second, look, Mormon doctrine teaches that people like ME have dark skin because WE are the cursed seed of Canaan. CANAAN WAS NOT IN AFRICA! Now look, in order to justify this claim, you have to come up with this new people called the Lamanites that are not mentioned in the Bible (neither is anyone named Laman or anything similar) of whom no historical records exist anywhere!

    Yes, I agree that prophets are mere people. But their prophecies come from God, which means that they have to be VERIFIABLY CORRECT. That was true of all the prophets of the Bible. Every last one. As a matter of fact, Moses said that for a person to be a legitimate prophet, EVERY PROPHECY THEY MADE HAD TO BE VERIFIABLY CORRECT. Well, NONE of the prophecies of Joseph Smith have been verified, nothing regarding events in the past, present, or future. If they had been, well there would be a lot more Mormons.

    Case in point: the reason why there are so many Pentecostals and full gospel people is because during the Azusa Street revivals one of the attendees predicted that there would be an earthquake. When an earthquake did occur, lots of people perceived it as a fulfilled prophecy. In 50 years, the number of Pentecostals and similar went from like 100 to about 100 million. Meanwhile, the number of Mormons has grown to only 13 million in 175 years, and even most of that growth occurred in the past few decades when you guys modified your doctrines to the point where it superficially resembles Christianity (the Mormonism of today is not the Mormonism of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, not that Mormons talk about that). Why? No fulfilled prophecies to speak of (quite the contrary).

  10. Angie said

    Job:

    I have learned that the seed of Ham are the Caananites which are people of Ethiopia, Egypt, Sudan and others that are now residing in the continent Africa. What is your comment?

    • L said

      In my ‘white’ heart of hearts I KNOW Jesus was not white. We know God was His Father, Mary was from Ethiopia of her day. I love everyone! Bless you!

  11. Eden Hadassah said

    Angie,
    That is partially true…
    You can refer back to the table of the nations in Genesis to see that Ham’s decendants were the Babylonians, Assyerians, Caananites and all the peoples of the land at that time, Egyptians and probably other places in Africa as far as Put and Cush. However, the racial “identification” made by white supremisists (Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish slave traders) began with them saying that Africans/Ham was “cursed” by Noah and therefore it was legal to make them slaves…and the fact that they were “gentiles” was the other factor.
    NOW…
    This is a HUGE misrepresentation of the scriptures, because the seed of Ham was from Babylon and stretched to the Eastern Shores of Caanan and also went south as far as the Horn of Africa. Further, they mis-quote the scriptures regarding Ham, because Noah never said “cursed be Ham”, but instead said, “cursed be Caanan.” Caanan would be a slave to Shem.
    They have tried to reduce the seed of Ham to Africa for some reason, yet it would be unreasonable to assume all of Africa was the decendants of Ham, especially since there was so much mixing of the different tribes.
    Isn’t it amazing how so many assumptions can be made about race or color? According to scolars, I guess Noah had one white kid (Japheth) one olive kid (Shem) and one black kid (Ham). That sounds scolarly to me, right?
    (I am being a smarty pants now…don’t take me seriously)

  12. Eden Hadassah said

    Here is an interesting article on Black mormanism in America and beyond:

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon110.html

  13. Angie said

    Eden,
    Thanks for your response. To comment on the Black Mormanism article, it looks more like a political move when they allowed blacks to join the church. However, Black Mormons still have to face the fact that their bible condemns them wrongfully and that Joseph Smith is a fake. Sad, but true. The black church is still sleep and only a few is waking up.

  14. Eden Hadassah said

    No doubt Angie!
    I think that the deep ties of Mormon faith to Freemasonry and the KKK should be the other concern as well. But just as Jesse Jackson, who I believe is a Freemason, doesn’t push the issue about the KKK, I guess black Christians and black mormons don’t really feel it necessary to make a big stink about it.

  15. Angie said

    Eden,
    It is interesting when you talk about Jackson because many black leaders and preachers are indeed sellouts. I did read that this country was started and built by Freemasons. I just see one big network working together for the anti-christ.

  16. Charles said

    Hey My Fruitcake:

    Thanks for that link. Until now I never knew there was such a thing. There are lots of Mormons in Alaska, in fact, my daughter’s best friend is Morman. I’ve been to Utah several times and I knew Blacks attend LDS Church and of course Brigham Young University (good school, minus religion). My experience is Mormon’s consider Alaska fertile ground for recruitment. Again, thanks for the link; live and learn. 

  17. Job said

    Angie:

    Where did you learn this? Not the Bible.

    Genesis 10:6 says And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

    Cush and Canaan were two different different sons of Ham. The only son of Ham that was cursed was Canaan.

    Genesis 9:24-27 says And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    All the seeds of Ham were not cursed. Only Canaan. And please note that part of the curse was that Canaan’s descendants would serve the descendants of his other brothers! Which means that not only were Cush (black folk), Mizraim, and Phut not cursed, but they were to be served Canaan!

    And again, restating what I said earlier:

    Genesis 10:19 says And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.”

    The maps that I linked to above shows those borders … it was the same land that was given to Abraham for Israel. Now as I am no expert on these matters, I could be wrong. So please provide for me with the source that you learned from. I would have a great time wrestling with it intellectually.

  18. Angie said

    Job,
    Actually, I have learned many years ago from a personal source that all of the African nations today are the seed of Ham. I have learned that Mizraim is the Egyptians, the Ethiopians and the Sudanese people are of Cush. I was told about Put and Caanan but have forgotten. Also the land of Caanan is called Palestine today.

  19. Angie said

    Job,
    Have you ever heard of the Black Hebrew Israelites. That’s my source.

  20. Angie said

    Job,
    One more comment I would like to make. The seed of Japheth was told to me are the inhabitants of Oceania, Samoans, Hawaiians, Indonesians, Micronesians, Maori people in New Zealand and Eskimos too. They said that they have once lived in Europe until the white settlers drove them out. Shem are the Israelites which is Abraham’s seed whom God gave Caanan to them, Esau which means ‘red nation’ which are the whites and Jacob’s twin brother, you know the biblical story I believe. It said the younger shall serve the older, but later the older shall serve the younger. What if truly we are Jacob’s seed then? Elam are the Persians are the people of India and Pakistan, Ammon and Moab are today’s Japanese and Chinese people from what I’m told were originally dark. A Japanese/Chinese professor I once had told me herself when you go to the mountain part of China, you would see the dark Chinese people. Ruth in the bible is a Moabite. I’d admit about the misquote of Ham. Indeed, God did curse Caanan. However, I didn’t recall quoting a curse on this blog.

  21. Angie said

    Correction: Esau means red but Edom means red nation. Maybe you would like to research these comments if you like.

  22. johnkaniecki said

    Angie,

    Hello how are you? I have been following the blogs and I have seen you mentioning of the Black Hebrew Isrealites. I seem to remember a group like this in Manhattan some twenty years ago. They would dress in leather outfits which to me seemed strange. They would always attract quite a crowd.

    Even me as one of European descent I admired them. For one thing they were very zealous in the endeavours. I also felt they wanted to improve things for their people. Their people was everything but those of European descent. Also they allowed other people to come up and speak. I went up there on the pulpit myself. I guess I spoke from five to ten minutes up there and they didn’t interrupt me once.

    I recall on one occaision a man of European descent was walking by. He got engaged in a conversation. “What has the white man given us?” the Israelite demanded. “Freedom” said the white man. “You’d better hope that nobody stabs you in that crowd,” was the bitter response.

    At that time the realization of what I learned in history had never dawned upon me. I knew of things like slavery and “manifest destiny” but what they actually meant in human terms I couldn’t conceive of.

    Twenty years later I know have a firm grasp on reality. This may be a strange statement from somebody who has been psychiatric hospitals eight times, but it is true. There is a god of this world. He is cruel and oppressive. But our Father in heaven reigns over all.

    This brings me to the point of hatred. Jesus told us to “Love our enemies”. I don’t pick on the Black Israelites in this one. There is far too much hatred in the church. If it wasn’t so every single denomination would condemn the war in Iraq or for that matter any war in general.

    Love,

    John

  23. Eden Hadassah said

    The militant “black Israelites?” OH MY…
    John I am so sorry you had to witness such an abomination! They are not of the tribe of Judah! I have friends that are Ethiopian jews that came to messiah and now are currently working in the Sudan…These “black Israelites” are a sham, bent on hate. They are no more an “Israelite” then the Hasids of Poland! These particular militants are a cult as are the Hasidim.

  24. Angie said

    Eden,
    I have a question. Those Ethiopian Jews, are’nt they called Falashas, claim that they were Jews because of a supposed union between King Solomon and Queen Sheba. The bible never claimed of such a union only that she visited him for his wisdom and rewarded him with treasures. The Gentiles’ color in Israel contradicts scriptures to begin with and the Arab Muslims are the seed of Ishmael. Though they are Abraham’s seed, they are not the chosen people. I heard and read about the war in Israel between Arab and Jews over Palestine. Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. Where are they for they are dispersed to all four corners of the earth. Jesus also said in Revelations 2:9 that he knew the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. What I am asking from you is to point out who are the real Jews with proof and that the black Israelites are a sham with proof. God also hated certain things and people too. God loves everybody is all you hear in these Christian churches. Give one scripture that claims that He does. As you can see many on this earth claims to be Jews and somebody is lying. The bible said so. I pray to God never to lose any sleep on this because Jesus is coming and He knows. That’s what counts.

  25. Angie said

    To add, a lot of history were tampered with and hidden. They cooked those books like a crooked accountant. That’s all.

  26. Eden Hadassah said

    Angie,
    I have copied and pasted your post so that I can respond to it:

    “I have a question. Those Ethiopian Jews, are’nt they called Falashas, claim that they were Jews because of a supposed union between King Solomon and Queen Sheba. The bible never claimed of such a union only that she visited him for his wisdom and rewarded him with treasures.”

    Yes, the Ethiopian Jews are called the Falashas. And while it is not documented in the bible whether Solomon had an affair with her, what is known, is that these particular Ethiopian Jews have kept “true Torah” and have held to the biblical traditions, laws and ordainances of Moses. They have not been polluted by the “oral traditions” of the Talmud, (what the Orhtodox Jews call “Torah”). Ethiopian jews hold to the most ancient of judaism pre-exile, and have kept it that way ever since. I have no reason to doubt that they are true hebrews. However, the orthodox and ultra-orthodox haredi felt it was necessary to “deliver them” from persecution in Africa and bring them into Israel. (Big mistake) To me this was pure calculated evil. They took many of these Ethiopians from their homes with the promise of a better life free from “anti-semitism”, only to be emotionally and physically degraded by them upon entering the land of Israel. Next to Arabs, they are the most discriminated against Judaics in the land. They make fun of them because they know nothing of the Talmud, and say they are not “jewish” because they do not wear the right clothing as per their “laws”, not to mention that they are racist against any black folks. Their children are mocked and sent home from school and they live in abject poverty. They are forced to learn hebrew (the national language), and when they come into the country they are also forced to serve in the military. So if they did escape persecution, the military puts a gun in their hands, and makes them go “cleanse the land”. They have been witness and perpetrators of crimes against the Palestinians and this has caused them extreme emotional trama.
    On a different note, did you also notice after she left Solomon in the next chapter it gives his yearly income? 666 shekels per year I think was the number. (Makes you wonder about that strange number doesn’t it?)

    “The Gentiles’ color in Israel contradicts scriptures to begin with and the Arab Muslims are the seed of Ishmael. Though they are Abraham’s seed, they are not the chosen people.”

    What do you mean by the gentile’s color contridicting scriptures?
    Since many Jews were forced to convert to christianity or become a muslim, is it out of the realm of possibility that many of the Arab muslims today could actually in fact be hebrew?
    And while it is true that Ishmael is not of the chosen, ultimately that means that the messiah would not come from the line of Ishmael. But Ishmaelites did live in David’s kingdom and actually helped in the preparations for the building of the temple.

    “I heard and read about the war in Israel between Arab and Jews over Palestine. Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel. Where are they for they are dispersed to all four corners of the earth.”

    This is true, they are dispersed. Those he calls will hear his voice and follow him. They will not follow after the traditions of men, nor will they worship Israel.

    “Jesus also said in Revelations 2:9 that he knew the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. What I am asking from you is to point out who are the real Jews with proof and that the black Israelites are a sham with proof.”

    What kind of proof would you like? Proof that they are not Israelites or proof that they are not Jews? There is a difference. Is there a difference between an Israelite and a hebrew? As far as I understand the difference, an Israelite was a hebrew that came out of the Exodus, through the wilderness and into the Promise Land. Then you have the same hebrews who when the kingdom was split in two, became Israel and Judah. Israel was taken into exile by the Assyerians and never returned (the ten lost tribes). A few Ephraimites (Israel) escaped to the kingdom of Judah, only to go into exile by the Babylonians. Judah and Benjiman were never lost. Until 1948 the last and longest lasting remenant from the exile in Babylonia existed in Iran. 100,000 jews that never went back to the land of Israel stayed in Babylon. There are now only about 25,000 original jews left there. They are called Iranian Jews. They have endured for a long, long time.
    My ancestors are traced from synogogue to synogogue all the way back to Naples Italy where they were originally taken from Israel. So unless “black israelites” have their documentation available, they will have to be the ones to prove they are who they say they are. What I have personally witnessed of these people on the streets of NYC myself was pure hatred by them. I would get a warmer reception from an orthodox jew if I showed up in my birthday suit.
    My point is, that just because they say they are doesn’t make it so. In the end, the thing that matters most about being a jew is what Paul states in Romans 2:17-29. Regarless of whether someone is a “true jew” or not, if the heart is not given over to the Lord, it doesn’t even matter! And once the heart is given over to him, a “true jew” will know that it is NOT in his/her flesh that they should boast, but that they have Messiah, who has saved and sanctified them. They also come to understand that all those who accept messiah are joined and bound together in unity, beautifully and in the most lovely fashion. We are all family, and in him there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

    “God also hated certain things and people too. God loves everybody is all you hear in these Christian churches. Give one scripture that claims that He does. As you can see many on this earth claims to be Jews and somebody is lying. The bible said so. I pray to God never to lose any sleep on this because Jesus is coming and He knows. That’s what counts.”

    Our Lord is coming, and he knows who will come to a saving knowledge of him, even those who may call themselves “jews.”
    I pray you don’t lose sleep over this either, because the Lord has everything under his control.

    May the Lord bless you Angie, I hope I have answered your questions. If not, let me know.
    Love
    Eden

  27. Angie said

    Eden,
    There is a website that I believe you should read http://www.thelawkeepers.org/blkheb.htm The authors appear to be Jewish scholars. However I will keep in mind that our Lord is coming and a relationship with Him is what counts. It is just that, and I do speak for myself that it is tiring going to church for feel good sermons, listening to a bunch of lies, paying your tithes and you’re still hungry for the truth. Meanwhile these pulpit pimps of today are waxing rich off us daily. Bless you too.

  28. My what a bigoted view of Mormonism.

    I suppose its not possible that “white” here is a symbol for purity, like it is in much of the Bible?

    And Charles D., I suppose you are going to excuse Mike Huckabee’s bigotry towards Mormons? Perhaps the next move is to criticize Catholics as cannibals for believing in transubstantiation?

    Let him who is without beliefs that can be twisted into something that seems strange cast the first stone.

    Instead of criticizing others beliefs, why don’t you take care to learn your own?

  29. Fran said

    Scripture proves Black Israelites. It’s there. That leaves others that say that they are descendents of the Ancient Israelites to prove themselves.

    Man has read and twisted the scriptures and have ignored scripture afraid of the truth being exposed.

    Like I said, scripture does prove Black Israelites. It is a topic that needs to be studied.

    If you are tired of the lies, interested in truth, then search the scriptures and see for yourself.

    Truth always prevails. Some people just don’t want to get out of their stinking thinking. Have gotten comfortable with what they thought they knew, too much junk in the trunk.

  30. Amen Kent! 🙂

  31. Let him who is without beliefs that can be twisted into something that seems strange cast the first stone.

    Twisting the words of scripture and claiming no one should be critical of his cult because of how the cult has twisted the truth and made a package of lies. Interesting.

    He’s twisted scripture in his own statement.

    Mormons not only believe in slavery, they believe it continues after this life. And they’ve still got Jane serving Joseph Smith Junior in hell. Eternal servitude!

    • Catherine said

      You are funny
      It sad that you are all mad about your belief .. but I know that The Hebrew was a black skinned person but they were Hebrew. Yes, but white people are from the same God that made black, blue red, yellow people . Then we all having sex and baby witb each other if Jesus dis not die on the cross for our sin s man He would had to kill us all because of the hater in our heart. Love each other pleas .. solomon 1v5 revelation kjv relv kjv 1v15 the niv has changed this but i hope you see. SO what if you are white or green but we all are noahs grand children. Jesus died on the cross and forgabe ham son cannan. Now why waz Noah drunk nude where his sons could see him? What kind of parent was he? He did not repent for being nude or even apologize to his family. He got mad and cursed his family. Dont you see the sin of the parent?

  32. Charles D. said

    Let him/her who is without beliefs that can be twisted into something that seems strange cast the first stone Kent/steffielynn that would be you. Also, your comment:

    “And Charles D., I suppose you are going to excuse Mike Huckabee’s bigotry towards Mormons? Perhaps the next move is to criticize Catholics as cannibals for believing in transubstantiation?” I suppose you would be wrong. First of all I am totally not aware of any of Mike Huckabee’s bigotry towards Mormons; and secondly, I don’t mix my politics with religion as some do, and I resent the fact that you associated me with those that do.

    Furthermore, Huckabee is definitely not my favoriate candidate, a fact, you would have discovered with minimal searching on that subject. That is not to say that given my feelings towards Mormons, I would not, at all, be surprised if you were to lable me the same, not that I give a tinkers dam.

    Mormons are non-believers in traditional religions. I remember when their full-court press started with the lie that that they believe in Jesus (except, they failed to state they believed He was a prophet). Absolutely nothing surprises me about the length and depth a Mormon will go to add to their numbers. The one thing they will not do, is answer a direct question. Search this site under subjects relating to your veliefs and you will see for yourself. Everyone else here and those visiting here already know this to be true.

    Charles

  33. Fran said

    “WHITE” AS IN A PURE LIE! lol lol lol

  34. Fran said

    Eden,

    Why would you call Black Israelites militant?

    If you were a black woman and asked a white woman, what has the white man ever given you, and she answered freedom, how would you feel hearing that lie? It could have been a Chinese telling you that the white man gave you freedom, and you still would want to go to lunch on them.

    Why would they have to be of the tribe of Judah to be a Black Israelite?
    Maybe you were still sleep when you replied to John.

    There are Jews claiming to be Israelites that are not and you know this.

  35. Eden Hadassah said

    Fran,
    Listen, I believe 100% that there were black Israelites! I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever about it. My issue was with the cultic group that stands out on the street corners of NYC spouting hateful and angry themes. That shouldn’t ever be confused with black Israelites.
    The Song of Solomon is a beautiful testimony of the love Solomon had for his bride, who was black and rejected by her brothers and forced to work the vineyards. He was captivated by her beauty, and enthralled with her love. It is prophetic, and the Song of Solomon shows the discrimination and abuse that took place by her brothers who beat her. There is no arguement in my mind that there are black Israelites. I do NOT believe, however that the cultic group in NYC is in anyway apart of them.
    Color is beautiful, and if all the Israelites…every single tribe of them where the deepest hues and shades of brown, my love for them would not be diminished in the least!
    It is very hard for white people to come to this understanding about race. Especially since most early European art portray’s Jesus and Mary as very light skinned. I believe that the only flesh that matters is the flesh of an circumcised heart! In the wilderness, there were Israelites that were destroyed because of unbelief and rebellion. The Lord does not change.

  36. Fran said

    Eden.

    You listen, you don’t have to take that tone with me because of what you said out of your mouth, like you are getting me straight.

    In your comment #26, “Unless ” black iraelites ” have their documentation available, they will have to be the ones to prove they are who they say they.” This is what came out of your mouth.

    I said that scripture proves who Black Israelites are. We can go their if you like.

    You say it is hard for white people to come to this understanding about race, BULL-LONEY.

    I say that some people have a problem with swallowing the truth.

    I have to get ready for work. I’ll check your replies later.

  37. Eden Hadassah said

    Fran, dear sister…
    My saying “Listen”, before I made a statement, was not in anyway condesending. I, as you stated very clearly refering to the post about “the black israelites”, was speaking about that group out on the corner. They are the ones I want to see proof from.
    Now you can pick a fight with me if you would like, but my response to you will be, there is no fight.
    I have to disagree with you about it being bullony about white people. There are whole white christian churches that teach that hebrew peoples were white. I don’t deny that truth either. If someone were to claim Jesus was black, what do you think the major response would be?
    Hostility was never my intention in responding to you, and if you took it that way, I appologize.
    Love
    Eden

  38. johnkaniecki said

    Fran,

    Hi hope you are well.

    I think there is a bit of confusion going on here. Eden is referring to a cultic group known as “Black Isrealites.” I have seen them in Newark and talked to them in Manhattan. They have teachings hard to accept. For example they trace all the tribes of Isreal into all the darker skinned people. Only European’s are gentiles.

    Also anyone not in their group is going to hell. Worst of all it is void of Love. Perhaps there is a Love among believers but it is not one that overflows outward.

    Love,

    John

  39. Eden Hadassah said

    This is a black Israelite from NYC:

    Now here is one from Georgia that put some mormon’s in their place…I like this one:

  40. Fran said

    Eden,

    Why would you suggest me maybe wanting to pick a fight with you. Who have you seen me fight, with words on this sight or any site?

    If someone were to claim Yeshua was Black, then I would feel as though they were studing the scriptures, had recieved revelation, or been told by someone who they choose to believe.

    As far as the major response, those need to search the scriptures for themselves and stop depending on others to always feed them truth.

    As far as white people not being able to understand, they understand, put forth an efford to understand what they want to. That goes for all people, all races.

    If some people, for instance, these whole white congregations that you are referring to,were taught truth,it would blow their hair back.

    One thing for sure, you can learn now, or you’ll learn later.Wait until they learn who is to teach them of the coming Kingdom, I guess that’ll just blow them out the water.

  41. Fran said

    Excuse the misspelled words. I drove all day with very little sleep, which for me is a no no on the road.

  42. Actually, the guy who did a number on those two Mormons (which actually any saint should have enough knowledge to beat them back), that guy is pretty nutty. As are those other guys in that other video also. But this is about that guy who was speaking to the Mormons.

    He calls himself “the comforter”. I mean he feels he’s the one Jesus said would come. As in the Holy Spirit and he applies the “teacher of all truth” mantel to HIMSELF.

    He looks cocky yet impressive in that video, but he’s a real nut job if you learn more about him.

    Really the whole video is obviously a show boat moment he setup, just waiting for someone to show up that he could show off on video with. To brag about himself.

    Go here and click the link “About the Comforter”, to hear him brag of himself more. He calls himself APOSTLE & CHIEF HIGH PRIEST TAZADAQYAH. You can see more of him by clicking on “World Tour Video Gallery”.

  43. Eden Hadassah said

    IC and Fran,
    That was what I was referring to when I was talking about “the black Israelites.” Not the real black Israelites…and there is a big difference.

    There was no “tone” taken with you Fran, but in your response, you looked to me like you may have been itchin for an argument of some sort. That’s why I said fight. Honestly, I don’t usually even defend myself, and I have been asking myself why I am even feeling the necessity to write this.

  44. Courtney said

    Hello

    My name is Courtney and I’m 17 years old. I know to most of you I am too young to know anything, but Please just listen to what I have to say. I have not read the entire conversation so I may not touch on all of your points… for that I apologize. Although, I must say that one comment in particular stood out to me. Angie, you quoted the scripture Revelations 22:18-19. Within this scripture, it states that to add on to that book will determine you a place in Hell and all the plagues mentions therein. Even I at teh young age of 17, have been confronted with this same comment numerous times. In the whole of these confrontations, the scripture Deuteronomy 4:2 remained unmetioned. In this scripture, Moses states that it would be against the commandments of the Lord to add to or take from the word that he has written. If you were to take that in a literal sense, as you have with the scripture in Revelations, it would mean that many great prophets, such as Jeremiah, Isaiah, John the Beloved, and Paul are sinning against God and cannot be righteous prohets of the Lord. The scripture refers to the act of changing the words in the scriptures themselves. In example, if one was to change certain verses of the Bible to make it appear that Jesus had not performed any miracles. Also I must add that, as a mormon myself, I do not see this racism you are talking about… To take any quote, one must look at the context in which it is written. In no way did Joseph Smith believe in the continuation of slavery. Certain situations may have resulted in even more deaths and the discontinuation of the re born religion. Even politicians of teh time would not state whether they were pro or anti slavery…

  45. Charles D. said

    Courtney;

    First of all I do not believe you are 17. Period! Next you have failed to state a basis whereupon God’s prophets acts, words, or deeds were in contravention with the OT in anyway. It is very apparent that the Holy Bible is not your favorite book of choice or knowledge.

    For 17? You sure know quite a bit about the intentions of Joseph Smith. Consider this, the LDS doctrine under Smith, denied Blacks and others positions of leadership positions in your church; even something as beneign as a Boy Scout Eagle Scout rank as recently as 1978 until LDS were sued to high heavens starting in 1976, then Smith’s motivation and intent regarding slavery and racism becomes fairly clear.

    Mormans are fairly proficient at sweeping the dirty part of your doctrine under the rug. Craig did, Kent did, and even steffielynn did and she is known to be verbose. What says you
    Courtney?

    Charles

  46. Courtney, who was the command in Deuteronomy 4:2 to? It was to those being addressed, Israel, before Messiah came. Revelations 22:18-19 is addressing all of humanity after the resurrection of Christ. The old law was not removed, but fulfilled in Christ. This is why Christians follow the teachings for new covenant believers and know the old covenant has faded away. This is why we don’t keep old covenant Mosaic laws.

    Hebrews 8:13 (King James Version)

    13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    In your skimming you’ve missed that Joseph Smith Junior has a woman who has been deemed his “eternal servant”. Mormonism makes a bit of an event of that. You’re defending a man who has been granted slavery into perpetuity if the lies of Mormonism were truth.

    With what is in the Bible, there is a consistency with the fulfillment of what was promised, which is why when the apostle Paul spoke to people they could check his statements to ensure they matched with the already existing scriptures, Acts 17.

    When the words of Joseph Smith Junior are placed against scripture. When the Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham, Doctrine and Covenants and so on are placed against scripture, we find quickly that Mormon doctrine is false. That is the test, the measure to know truth. Mormon doctrine fails to align with the Bible and what Joseph Smith Junior created was never promised to come according to anything in the Bible. Christ was promised, freedom was promised, not Mormonism.

    Christians know God is One and eternal, never born of anyone, never a man of flesh and bone. Mormonism teaches the Father was once a man of flesh and bone, born of another god, worked his way up the ladder to be a god too. And there are other issues with how Jesus and the Holy Spirit are viewed that I won’t detail, because you probably already know some of those points of contention. You can’t deny, we are talking about 2 different figures. The Mormon god is clearly not the God of the Bible.

    Mormonism teaches you that you will become a god, that is exactly the sinful ambition that had Satan removed from Heaven.
    Isaiah 14:12-15 (King James Version)

    12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    Joseph Smith Junior had over 30 wives, some as young as 14 years old, several had living husbands. He claimed God granted him this, that is not true. Christ reaffirmed that marriage was for one man and one woman.
    Mark 10:6-9 (King James Version)

    6But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

    7For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

    8And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

    9What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

    Even if one were to fall for a lie that Joseph Smith Junior was entitled to multiple wives because of some before Christ coming in flesh having multiple wives, despite the fact no apostle ever did, you still have the issue that many of Joseph Smith Junior’s wives had living husbands. There is no way God approved such adultery and Joseph Smith Junior lived in horrible sin all his days, making up a cult that misleads many.

    Smith not only added to scripture, he made piles of his own, that you’ve been told you must study or not receive eternal life. The best I can tell you Courtney is that you’ve been lied to severely. Continue reading the Bible and seeing how Mormon doctrine fails to match up.

  47. Courtney
    At 17 years old you show yourself to be more intelligent then ANYONE on this blog! You go girl! 🙂

    Charles, Mormons are pretty smart folks! Families read scriptures together from birth. Your comment just goes to show how little you know of our faith!

    And how am I “verbose”???? Have you read IC’s comments????

  48. Angela Trent said

    People, you should read the hate that God spew out of the bible. I dare any of you to read the bible from Genesis to Revelations page by page and I dare any of you to call Him a racist. Enough said.

  49. Charles D. said

    Not really. And, if your comment is true: “Courtney
    At 17 years old you show yourself to be more intelligent then ANYONE on this blog! You go girl!” The first thing she will realize that both, she and you have skirted the Boy Scout question involving your doctrine. And in your heary you know I’m right.

    All one need do is go back through each “Mormon” related post to see that each Mormon visiting those sites have runned like scolded cats. Also, you guys are even smarter than you have indicated. Hey! Even I would pay to see one reading any scripture from birth. You go girl!

    Charles

  50. Charles D. said

    CORRECTION:

    Mine: “Heart” / Yours: “than”

  51. Charles D. said

    Angela Trent:

    I marval at your utterence. As a child and young adult I read the Bible. Now as a grown adult I study the Bible. I don’t get your point. At all! God is not a racist and I am not sure as to why you would make a dare that you 1) cannot enforce and 2) makes no sense any way one would look at it.

    Maybe if you had or would develop your thought/thinking more fully, then, I could (or, certainly would try to) answer in more detail.

    Charles

  52. I wonder if Mormon Boy Scout troops teach the Secret Mormon Handshakes along with skills like knot tying?

  53. Charles D. said

    Angela Trent (since you like to dare), Courtney,and
    Steffielynn: I dare you to watch the link in IC’s #53 above and then comment.

    Also, you haven’t commented on any of the LDS doctrine regarding BSA. All I can say is, there have been lots of Mormon, never heard from again, after that question was posed.

    Charles

  54. My duplicate post had to be removed. What Charles mentioned as comment #53 is now comment #52.

    Why would anyone think the Mormon church is racist ?

    Mormon Racism

    Oh, but I’m the mean guy 🙄 ….

    You can go around the barn 100 times with these Mormons and they’ll keep LYING, to cover what any of you can see for yourselves if you research it.

    Here’s a word from the Mormon “prophet” Joseph Fielding Smith.

    There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less.”

    (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, p.61)

    Why won’t the Mormons call Joseph Fielding Smith a false prophet? His words were not something he merely said in passing or outside of his position in LDS. Those were his documented words as a “prophet”!

  55. Charles D. said

    Angela Trent (since you like to dare), Courtney,and
    Steffielynn????? We’re waiting!!

  56. Angie said

    Charles D,
    So you think God loves everybody like your passa or your Sunday school teacher taught you? You prove to me that He does and I’ll prove to you that He doesn’t. Again, what I am saying if you read the whole bible for yourself, you would see that He made distinctions for His love for Israel from Genesis to Revelations and nobody else.

  57. Angie said

    To add, I am not a Mormon, nor do I ascribe to their teachings.

  58. Charles D. said

    Angie you are a babe and have yet to scratch the surface of what either, God, Israel, or love is. I do not say this in a mean-spirited way, please believe me. I am perfectly capable of doing that and it would have nothing to do with love or hate. On one level your assertion is refreshing because it is so easy.

    Apparently when you speak of love (to me) you are speaking about the “I love my husband, no, my boyfriend so much, I would give my life for him” or “there is no one on earth that I love more than my parents/child” kind of love. My flip response to your question (were you truly steeped in either the Bible or of faith) would be: He gave His Son to die on the Hill of Skulls, not only for His first love that you menyioned, but also for you, me, Mormons, ALL men past, present, and future…AND HERE IS THE TOPPER…Not only them but their sin and every sin they have or will ever commit for all times. His love can be seen in many, many different ways. It is more apparent if you are a Christian-Beliver; however, even to those that aren’t; each time it rains or the sun shine, it shines, no one is excluded, unless of course, you have personally seen it rain on Israel and no one or no [;ace else.

    God love all of us with agape, a self-sacrificing “give until it hurts” type of love that human-being just arn’t capable of even understanding, let alone practice. One day afyer Christians are [erfected, they will both, know and understand what agape means and practice it through all eternity. I would refer you to the Book of Isaiah, however, you cannot just read it to get either God’s or my point. I would further point you to any number of Books in the NT, and say, that God through Jesus Christ did not appoint Paul as an Apostle to Israel or His “chosen” people, but rather, for ALL of the people that you have excluded in your original, albeit wrong, thesis.

    It might be helpful to you, if yje next time you pick up a Bible; that you dust it off, but, before you open it, you prayer a little prayer to God and ask that through the Holy Spirit, that He would illuminate your mind to understand what you are about to read. And if you are brave enough, ask Him how what you read should be applied in your life according to His higher purpose. I don’t dare you, rather, I gently challenge you to do that. And you will be set-apart for His calling to your life.

    Fonally, unlike the belief of “others,” Mormans included: you can be as nice as you want or that you think is good enough, treat your fellowman better than the world has ever seen; but the one thing FAITH, without which, it is impossible to please God. If you are on the fence, not knowing where you’re going to spend eternity, without or even with everyone you love or will ever love; with minimal effort you can be assured and secured by taking my little challenge. That is not the only key to salvation, however, I am secured in my belief that when you take one step towards God, He takes more than two towards you.

    Be blessed – your response is always welcomed

    Char;es

  59. Charles D. said

    Typos are apparent. Look to the next letter on your keyboard. I am typing in the dark, I’m at work; but that’s a whole “nuther” story for a later day. Charle 🙂

    Good Morning all! EYMF

  60. Eden Hadassah said

    Angie,

    Why do you believe that it is only Israel that God loves Genesis through Revelation?

    I would have to disagree with you on that one. There are plenty of scriptures to show that it is the heart that is circumsised that the Lord loves. Even Yeshua and John the baptist said that He could raise the stones to become children of Abraham if these people didn’t acknowledge (I paraphrase).
    It has always been for the Lord’s name that Israel has been preserved and carries on…not because of anything that Israel may have done. He loves all people, not just Israel.
    And while we can all get into the covenant thing, and “oh God has a special covenant with Israel,” I must remind you to go back and read the conditions of that covenant. Blessings and curses. Not just blessings, and God is faithful to fulfill all that he has written.

    Miss Courtney:
    If you are in fact 17, which I don’t doubt (my kids are the same way and they always make good observations) I will ask you about your current prophet and why he felt it was all the sudden ok for black people to leaders? If the mormon prophets in the past didn’t allow it, what sparked the change? Because for me, the question isn’t whether Joseph Smith was a racist, but more about the conduct and actions of the church as a whole excluding blacks from leadership until recently. Africa has the largest base of black converts, and the prophet went down there to install new black leaders for the first time in Mormon history. (I watched the special on the BYU channel) Does it have to do with converts to God or converts to Mormonism?
    Do you understand the difference?

  61. What is your question regarding the Boy Scouts?

  62. To Christians reading this, that being you who accept the Jesus Christ of the Bible and reject Mormonism. It might be best to debate the topic of limited atonement versus universal atonement in a thread more fitting. Simply because the debate strays from this thread’s thrust that is about how outsiders (Mormons) treat a racial issue. The debate of limited versus universal atonement is an INSIDE debate.

    Consider one of the following threads to continue that discussion in:
    Reformed Christianity: Limited Atonement And Unconditional Election

    Jesus Christ’s Limited Atonement Opposed By Titus 2:11?

    Everyone can see when new comments pop up and will know once you start making comments there. It would leave this post free for the topic of the post. Which is addressing the false doctrines (regarding racial matters in particular) of a group that is OUTSIDE not INSIDE the church.

  63. Angie said

    Charles D and Eden:
    I would respond to your comments but I’m not. It is not that I can’t, but I feel that this is enough. Like IC said, the comments are straying away from the topic. Therefore, I will put it to rest. Good day.

  64. Charles said

    Angie, I do hope you are “Angela Trent,” and not my Angie with whom I have commented with on other threads. It would be such a let-down and disappointment if you were both the same.

    On the otherhand, changing names and creating confusion is a Mormon tool which I have become quite familiar with and that would not be far removed from the confusion, changing, and falsehood that constitute their doctrine. Regarding the question; it is quite unnecessary that you provide your answer because you’ve already proved a well established fact about Mormons, as you can see from Steffielynn’s sligh of hand/Feign ignorance ploy that has become trademark.

    I am more than sure that you of all people is heeding IC’s suggestion for the reason you now state. (wink, wink)!

    Charles

  65. Eden Hadassah said

    Angie,
    I think it is rather on point, being that Mormons think that the true church is also true Israel, right?

  66. Jean-Louis said

    Well, since the Hebrews often dealt with, and married Hittites, and the Hittites spoke an Indo-European language, and David’s son Solomon was likely half-Hittite, and Solomon collected wives from all-over the world, and we have evidence the there was a mixed Celtic and Hebrew nation already on the far side of the Mediterranean (the Celt-Iberians of modern-day Spain) and the Hebrews had spent a great part of their existence mixing with Persians and Greeks, who are Indo-European, It’s quite possible that Mary and Jesus had fair skin, though not certain. But who cares? How are we to know?

    Galatians 3: 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Colossians 3:11. a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.

  67. a mormon girl said

    hi well i am a mormon and you are rong aboute us thinking mary was white she lived in a hot country shes obviously got colour of some kind when it is wrote that she is fair and white its becasue she was a virgin and a pure child not because of her skin colour..

  68. Mormon Girl – Joseph Smith Junior was a false prophet, who violated the words of Christ. Jesus said there should be only one man and one woman marriages and no more of anything else.

    Mark 10:6-12 (New American Standard Bible)

    6 “But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE.

    7 “FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,

    8 AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

    9 “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

    10 In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again.

    11 And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her;

    12 and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”

    Smith not only had over 30 wives, he married several women who had living husbands, he also married some girls who were only age 14, when the normal age for marriage during that time was over 20 years old. Polygamy, adultery and pedophilia. If you’re not afraid to know the truth, read it all yourself at http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
    The information is true and accurate. Many supporting documents are there to prove it.

    Joseph Smith Junior lied and made up things such as the Book of Mormon to cover his sinful ways.

    Turn from the Book of Mormon, only trust the Bible with 66 books. Renounce Mormonism and call on the Lord Jesus of the Bible, not the false jesus of Joseph Smith, Junior.

    An Analysis of Mormonism, the Cult’s Tactics and Methods.

  69. A Black Mormon Man said

    I have been a member of the LDS. for 6 years. There is nothing in our core beliefs that states you have to believe in the Savior or his mother being any particular race. In fact, if my white brothers and sisters need to see him as themselves to believe, then this is a doubt on their faith in him. My Lord and Savior can be represented at any race as long as it is known He loves me. It is known that the region he was born in, was very hot. I do not need to verify that he obviously was a man of color. My faith is strong enough to know he is my brother, no matter what they paint him to look like.

    • A Black Mormon Man said

      Also, as a man who aspires to dwell in his Hevenly Father’s house this mortal world is only the battle ground. We are here to serve HIM. The more humble we are in doing so. The HIGHER we will be in HIS kingdom. Many, brothers and sisters look at each other everyday and forsake one another. It is a grave responsibility to remember that if Christ does choose to return as a Brotha. Many will forsake him out of ignorance. Many will call him derogatory names. My Savior was strong enough to handle the rejection of HIS own people. He was strong enough to atone for them. How many of us can handle being criticized by our own. Just remember the LORD was not even old enough to walk or talk, he was a fugitive from his own people.

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