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Mike Huckabee’s Religious Right Crackup: Why The GOP Establishment Truly Loathes Him

Posted by Job on December 21, 2007

First, you had Roman Catholics declare that evangelicals had BETTER back Mitt Romney or be declared bigots. Second, you had evangelicals going after Mitt Romney. Third you have Pat Robertson endorsing Rudy Giuliani. Fourth you had Mike Huckabee’s rise after his outstanding debate performances, especially the Youtube one. Fifth, you had the hateful Mormon reaction towards Huckabee’s rise, aimed not so much towards Huckabee as his evangelical supporters. Sixth, you had the GOP leadership attacking Huckabee for basically having the same positions as Giuliani and Romney (yes, we know Giuliani openly courted illegal immigrants and blocked enforcement attempts by federal officials, and that Mitt Romney raised taxes and negotiated and signed a $50 abortion universal healthcare plan that will lead to more tax increases in the future, but it was OK when THEY do it because THEY are so like electable or principled or something and Huckabee is not!). Now, we have the clearest example of why the GOP establishment hates Huckabee: the tiff between Roman Catholics and evangelicals. Now the last Vatican Council closed the rift between Catholics and mainline Protestants. Billy Graham and religious right politics brought Catholics and mainstream respectable evangelicals closer together.

But it appears that Huckabee has no interest in being a mainstream respectable evangelical leader like Billy Graham, who sat right before Richard Nixon and did not raise a single voice of objection or even silently get up and leave when Nixon was ranting racist statements in his presence (please keep in mind that Graham is regarded as a civil rights leader) against not only blacks but also the low income whites that made up the bulk of Graham’s most faithful followers. Now if Huckabee were willing to play ball, he could have simply gone to the powers that be and gotten himself a fistful of cash. As it is, Huckabee is going his own way, and it is not a way that pleases the Vatican.

Take Mike Huckabee’s visit to the “church” of John Hagee, whom IndependentConservative has labeled the biggest heretic of 2007 for his preaching a form of dispensational pretribulationism that is so extreme that it denies Christianity. Now Hagee does appropriately oppose the Vatican, but only in a distorted fashion that supports his own devil’s doctrines. But even that is too much for the supporters of the replacement of God on earth, so now we have the National Review’s token minority, Roman Catholic Kathryn Jean Lopez, demanding that Mike Huckabee NOT preach at John Hagee’s church on the grounds that it would divide the Republican Party. Quoting Lopez with my comments, as usual, in italics and parentheses:

With great power comes great responsibility. And Mike Huckabee, once and future Baptist preacher, could afford to watch where he’s taking to the pulpit. That’s “future” because the former evangelical pastor will be at John Hagee’s Cornerstone Church on Sunday. According to a San Antonio Huckabee meetup site, Huckabee will be speaking at two Sunday services at the Texas megachurch. He’ll be making the appearances just days after he told CBS News that “It’s not like [I’m] stepping from the pulpit last Sunday and running for president.”

But maybe next Sunday . . .

The problem with this particular church is its pastor. It is no secret that evangelicals and Catholics have their theological differences. If we didn’t we’d all be under the same church roof like once upon a time. But Hagee has been particularly outspoken beyond his Cornerstone Church, as a supporter of Israel and a prolific writer. His activism has brought some attention to his views on the Catholic Church. In Hagee’s “black history” of the Catholic Church, for example, Catholics were far from only guilty of sins of omission when it came to the Nazis, they also gave Hitler his blueprint, according to Hagee. In a speech this year, Hagee pointed to the Catholic Church as having provided the jumping-off point for the Holocaust, claiming: “That was really drawn by the Roman church. [Hitler] did not do anything differently. He only did it more ruthlessly, and on a national scale.” (This is where Hagee’s doctrinal history is wrong; the Lutheran Church in Germany, which by that time had become a typical secular liberal “Christian values” state church, fully endorsed and supported Hitler to the point where they proclaimed that God had raised up Hitler to restore Germany to greatness. Liberal theologian Karl Barth’s claim to fame was opposing the Lutheran Church in this matter and being proven right by history, even if Barth was right on little else.) The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights has long been concerned about Hagee’s rhetoric, calling him a “veteran bigot,” accusing him of distorting Catholic teachings and misrepresenting Church history. The League has cautioned that, “Tone matters … and Hagee’s tone is nothing but derisive.”

Hagee is politically active and has had candidates at his church before and is likely to again. It’s probably only natural that Huckabee would be among them. And certainly other candidates have courted or been endorsed by religious figures who are not known for their ecumenical diplomacy. But after weeks of being a divider, not a uniter — pretending to innocently raise questions about Mormon theology to a New York Times reporter, informing Today Show viewers that he is really the choice for evangelicals — Huckabee should be sensitive to his unnecessarily exclusionary tactics.

As the former governor of Arkansas, successor to the Little Rock Clinton administration, Mike Huckabee above all people should understand the importance of having a strong coalition to BEAT HER in the fall. Speaking like a man seeking to be president of evangelical America, not president of the United States, Huckabee told Meredith Vieira earlier this week: “There’s a sense in which all these years the evangelicals have been treated very kindly by the Republican party. They wanted us to be a part of it, and then one day, one of us actually runs and they say, ‘Oh, my gosh! Now they’re serious.’” (Of course, this is precisely how non – evangelical supporters have been acting towards his campaign. None of them have even so much as stated that they want to see an evangelical in this race or any other. Quite the contrary, they have made a point of making it clear that they prefer Mormons or even secular candidates to evangelicals at every turn.)

Huckabee, meanwhile, is leaving some non-evangelical conservatives wondering, “Oh, my gosh. Maybe they never wanted to be allied with us.” (No mention that evangelicals are wondering the same.) Huckabee is working right now, intentionally or not, on breaking down a winning coalition of religious conservatives. (Right. The previous traditions of having religious conservatives voting for necromancers like Ronald Reagan and universalist occultists like George H. W. and George W. Bush was so much better, just like everything would be just fine were religious conservatives to vote for Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney now.)

When Pope John Paul II died in 2005, some of the most moving statements coming out of congressional offices were from evangelical conservatives who viewed him as an important leader in defending the sanctity of human life. (Again, you would be fine with evangelicals supporting pro – death Roman Catholic Rudy Giuliani, don’t you? Of course you would.) Many of them had adopted his “culture of life” language and thinking. (Sure, as if evangelicals hadn’t been using that phraseology for decades.) They saw him as an ally and were inspired by his leadership. They joined him, despite theological differences, in important cultural and political fights. It was and is a natural pairing. (It was never a “pairing” but rather Rome using evangelicals to gain power for themselves, a situation that you wish to preserve.) Mike Huckabee, who is not a conservative on all things (Rudy Giuliani is not a conservative on anything but do you mention him? no because he is from New York and a Catholic), but is on social issues, should know that and treasure and protect and foster these alliances. He’s a riveting speaker who could rally social conservatives, at least to whip them up to fight another day. (There. You said it. That is what you want. You have no desire to see an evangelical ever become President or a legitimate leader in the conservative movement. Your only desire is to create another pawn to replace the compromised or fading Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Ralph Reed, etc. to deliver votes to you people.) Instead, he’s executing a divide-and-conquer strategy. (Speaking of “divide and conquer”, what are the many Republican Jews that love John Hagee going to say about your demands that Mike Huckabee not speak at John Hagee’s church because a conservative Catholic insists on a revisionist form of the Holocaust favorable to the Catholic Church be adhered to?)

When Mitt Romney was convinced he had to give a “Mormon speech,” he gave a speech about religious liberty and America. It wasn’t, in other words, about him. Of course, that was, in part, a political calculation — how much could be gained by talking about Mormon theology during a political campaign? But it was also just the right thing. (OK, so willfully deceiving people on matters of faith in order to get them to vote for you is the right thing to do. Gotcha. Thanks for admitting that this is precisely what the GOP has been doing to evangelicals for all these decades and you are angry at Huckabee for not willing to keep the scam going.) It’s a political campaign and people want to hear about his political thinking — what America means to him and how he fits into it all, what he can offer Americans in terms of leadership. (No, evangelicals want to hear him stop claiming that Mormonism is Christianity because unless he does he shows that he has no respect for the same Christians that he hypocritically demands respect from, and is fundamentally dishonest and cannot be trusted in office, as if his betraying the Massachusetts voters by flip – flopping on every single social issue did not demonstrate that already. Ironically, Roman Catholic religious right commentators like yourself and Bob Novak claim that Mitt Romney’s being able to lie and get away with it to the voters of Massachusetts is precisely why evangelicals should support him! In reality, Roman Catholics could care less about whether Romney is going to go back on his promise not to use the White House to promote Mormonism, because they know that relatively few Roman Catholics convert to Mormonism as opposed to huge numbers of evangelicals, and as a matter of fact I would bet they get some sort of perverse pleasure out of seeing evangelicals become Mormons.) Since Mike Huckabee has found himself at the front of the Republican field, it’s been more The Mike Show than not. (And that is different from the other candidates in the race how? Oh, that is right. Only the other candidates are supposed to run races with an actual expectation of winning. Everything evangelicals are supposed to do is to promote the GOP while receiving absolutely nothing in return.) In a treadmill interview with the New York Times earlier this week, he claimed “I’m being questioned about the details of my faith like no one else.” Mitt Romney and Barack Obama might legitimately argue that point, Gov. He’s cast aspersions on another candidate’s religion. (You mean like you are doing his right now?) He’s highlighted hostilities among evangelicals and others in the Republican party. (You mean like you have done with about four or five of your own columns including this one?) If he keeps this up, he’s going to do some unholy damage. (You mean force evangelicals to admit that the GOP is never going to push their agenda and that they have been taken for a ride all this time?)

With all due respect to Hagee and his congregation (who are, of course, entitled to believe and say as they choose), Mike Huckabee should cancel his Sunday plans with Hagee. It can be his Christmas present to his party — to hold it together instead of continuing to tear it apart. (No, even if he does cancel this visit, you will still tear down Huckabee’s campaign by claiming that evangelicals are a bunch of ungrateful dumb bigots like you have been doing for the past month. What you are doing is demanding that evangelicals not fight back.)

This is really what it is all about: Huckabee’s populist economic rhetoric. While Huckabee has not overtly come out against free trade and other forms of economic globalism (regrettably he has done the contrary) Huckabee has been more than willing to rally and exploit the feelings of those harmed and alienated by economic globalism. That was why hypocrite heretic Ron Paul went after Huckabee: he and the Huckster are going after some of the same people. But in doing this, Huckabee is treading on very dangerous ground for the GOP. The left has for years pointed out how the GOP has maintained the support of low – income whites despite their pro – rich and pro – corporate economic views by baiting Hollywood (and our universities) as bastions of anti – Christian elitism. And they are right. But this is the trick. The GOP bashes the liberal PROFESSORS at these universities, not the corporations that endow their chairs and give these universities tons of money. The GOP bashes the liberal Hollywood ACTORS, DIRECTORS, and SINGERS that create anti – Christian movies and songs, NOT Sony, Time Warner, Disney, etc. that have made the conscious decision to pervert the masses.

By keeping the focus on Madonna, they draw the spotlight away from the fact that no one would have heard of this woman in the first place had corporate America not signed her to a record deals, constantly bombarded us with her music, videos, and movies, and continued to keep her in the public eye even after her many artistic and commercial failures (of which she has actually produced more of than her successes). You hate MTV? Good for you. But what about the corporation that owns MTV, and the other corporations that carry it as part of basic cable or satellite? You hate pornography? Good for you. But the Internet pornography industry would dry up overnight if the big banks stopped allowing their credit cards and similar to be used to support this stuff. And then there is the fact that many things vital to conservatism including Fox News are owned by the world’s biggest pornographer Rupert Murdoch!

So when one looks at it, the anti – corporate message (and by that I mean amoral unaccountable global corporations that not only are only interested in money but seem to have figured out that the more they do to destabilize cultures in nation – states the more power they have to control the governments and markets in these nations … if you have a population that is strung out on porn, rock music, sports gambling, and unhealthy foods whether we are talking about the high fat high sugar junk foods or the even more harmful chemically engineered health foods for the body image worshiping diet and exercise fanatics a corporation can easily manipulate it to maximize its power and profits) is actually a pro – Christian, pro – family, and pro – freedom message. What the GOP and the religious right have done is successfully convince white evangelicals that big government is evil (which is true because the Bible says so) BUT THAT BIG BUSINESS IS GOOD (when the Bible says opposite).

Now initially, Jerry Falwell and a lot of the others understandably signed onto the “business is good for Christianity” message to oppose communism, and that is understandable, as in addition to the external threat of the Soviet Union communism was a huge INTERNAL threat as well. But in the process, these folks forgot that the definition of fascism according to Benito Mussolini is “the corporatization of government power.” If you read Daniel and Revelation, the anti – Christ regime and the regime of the great harlot Babylon is not a communist one but a hypercapitalist fascist one where any filthy perversion that one wants can be had at the right price. Also, consider the figure of the false prophet … the anti – Christ’s rule will not be based on atheist Marxist ideology but will include a false religious ideology that will be very important to it. Religious right leaders at the time claimed that the atheist and Marxist doctrines of communism was a religion in its own right, and while I do not disagree, what the eschatological scriptures of the Bible seem to point to resembles much more closely the emperor/sun worship of the Roman Empire or the state religion of fascist Nazi Germany. So it appears that the Christian leaders that hopped onto the pro – business agenda of the Ronald Reagan (who was the first president to have official diplomatic relations with the Vatican) GOP in their zeal to oppose communism might have actually enabled a worse evil. And then you have the fellows that came up after Falwell: Pat Robertson and James Dobson. Pro – business religious right politics was very much in the interests of building their own financial empires … Robertson is reportedly a billionaire (and you know that with his many oil interests he is not the least bit concerned with how the tripling of the price of gas under the Bush administration has harmed the poor) and though Dobson’s finances are not as well known the fellow is obviously extremely wealthy.

But at what cost? China has cast off Maoism because they have discovered that one can become a more powerful and effective aggressor and imperialist using economics than with a military, and is also experimenting with a version of state – sponsored false Christianity that they find is useful to their purposes, and Pat Robertson is helping them in that regards. In Russia meanwhile Vladimir Putin has for all intents and purposes made the Russian Orthodox Church a state church, and the Through The Bible ministry reports that both are working together to oppose evangelical outreach efforts in that nation, and we also know how aggressively Russia has used economics to pursue its own interests. And yes, some would add Israel to that mix. “Christian Zionists” like John Hagee and Pat Robertson do their best to prevent you from knowing this, but Zionism was originally a secular socialist movement, and as such Israel was originally a secular socialist state, but over the decades Israel has become increasingly theocratic and aggressively capitalist. It is interesting to note that their relations with the Vatican have greatly improved during that time. It is even more interesting to note that so has their relations with supposed anti – Catholic evangelicals such as John Hagee. Prior to this, Israel’s support came mostly from the Christian left and the secularists (who have now largely shifted sides to the Palestinians).

So what does this have to do with Rome? Well, the Roman Catholic Church supports globalism. Always has. Now originally, even after Constantine made Christianity the church of the Roman Empire, the bishop of Rome did not have ultimate authority over the church and considerable influence over state matters. As a matter of fact, no one even claimed that the bishop of Rome should have this authority until Leo the Great in about 450 AD (Constantine’s Council of Nicea was 325 AD), and when he did there was considerable resistance from not only the state but the church also! It was not until 150 years later when Gregory I achieved virtually any of what Leo the Great first asserted for the bishop of Rome, and hundreds of years more until the bishop of Rome achieved primary (though not full) power over the church and enough over the state to crown Charlemagne emperor (by Leo III, the namesake of the first fellow to assert full power for the bishop of Rome).

Leo III had reasons for doing so that fit the modern globalist agenda quite nicely. Not only was there substantial opposition inside the church to the growing power of the papacy, but there was state opposition too. The solution: reduce the number of states! That was the result of declaring Charlemagne the sole political ruler of all of the territories that the church saw fit to lay claim to in the west (the eastern church and its lands was a different, more complex story). All dissenters faced the full force of Charlemagne’s army. This was in the papacy’s interests because even having to deal with one secular ruler that proved to be hostile was preferable to dealing with many rulers with varying degrees of support for and opposition to the bishop of Rome. Propagating the power of the bishop of Rome was what was really important, not the attitudes of a particular leader who incidentally can always be replaced (isn’t that right Saddam Hussein?).

So while the nations of this world still have their powerful armies, that is not where the real power in today’s world lies. No, that power rests with 1) financial markets and 2) technology. And just as it was in the 9th century, the more distinct economic and political entities there are, the harder it is for any one person or group that wishes to assert central authority. Despite what we still choose to call or regard ourselves, the net effects of things like global corporations, economic integration, participation in international governing bodies, treaties, and open immigration is the removal of these distinctions. The result is that when individual nations – and the people in them – have less power, stateless global rulers have more. The best part is that whether you sign your national sovereignty away by allowing EU style full economic integration, with a series of military and economic treaties to the United Nations NATO and similar, having an open immigration policy (or simply refusing to enforce your border and not punishing nations like MEXICO that commits economic and cultural acts of war by actively encouraging, aiding, and abetting their citizens – and anyone else – in crossing it) or by simply handing the keys over to AOL Time Warner and British Petroleum and allowing them to run the show, the end result is actually the same. Anyone who refuses to play ball, it seems, either winds up assassinated or seeing their nations turn into economic and political basket cases. If you have huge reserves of oil, uranium, or gold you can stave it off for a time, but only for a time. Never forget that Pat Robertson did urge George W. Bush to assassinate Hugo Chavez, for instance.

Now the folks behind all this are rather crafty. They know that universal acceptance of this situation in this day and time will not come. So what do they do? They take half of their agenda (say corporate globalization by monopolies) and promote it to the right, and then take the other half (unrestricted immigration and global warming treaties) and promote it to the left. Then contrive (and contribute to) a bunch of hot – button issues (i.e. racism, which these folks contribute to by disseminating racist images of blacks to through the media that causes whites to fear the images and blacks to conform to them … by the way the founder of Black Entertainment Television Bob Johnson became a very rich man in a short time thanks to federal rules forcing cable companies to carry BET on basic cable, and please note that both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have Bob Johnson on their speed dials) that keep the two opposing groups so distracted by emotionalism that its members cannot recognize that they were really advocating opposite ends of the same agenda, and causes them to completely ignore it when both groups push precisely the same thing.

The Democrats that opposed NAFTA when George H. W. Bush first proposed it joined in the mocking of H. Ross Perot and later supported it when Bill Clinton enacted it. And the Republicans that called Bill Clinton a communist traitor for working so hard to get China into the WTO – including evangelicals that opposed China’s persecution of Christians not in their state church – either said nothing or supported George W. Bush’s finishing Bill Clinton’s job of getting China into the WTO. NRA – type conservatives that successfully defeated Bill Clinton’s version of the Patriot Act after the Oklahoma City bombings but were either silent or generally supportive of George W. Bush’s Patriot Act after September 11th, which either the Clinton or Bush administration could have easily prevented. Now these same NRA – type conservatives are almost certainly going to back either anti – gun Mitt Romney or anti – gun Rudy Giuliani because one of them is “the most electable” against the even more anti – gun Hillary Clinton. And so on.

Meanwhile, the various interests groups of these camps that think that they oppose each other are conditioned over time to accept just about anything. For instance, had Jimmy Carter signed welfare reform in the 1970s, there would have been a massive leftist uproar. But after the perceived horrors of the Reagan administration and the threat of Newt Gingrich, Bill Clinton was able to invite an overweight black single mother to the welfare reform bill signing without a peep from a single black leader other than Juan Williams. In a similar fashion, had Reagan appointed an openly homosexual man to be his AIDS czar with his vice president refusing to support a political war against gay marriage (and his own homosexual daughter goes on to become “a parent” with her lesbian partner) with Nancy Reagan stating on the Today Show that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned, it would have led to an evangelical walkout from the GOP. But Bush does these things and more and evangelicals remain his most loyal supporters, and now prominent evangelical leaders are lining up behind either $50 universal healthcare abortion Mitt Romney who tried to run to the left of Ted Kennedy on gay rights or late term abortion supporting cross – dresser for gay pride parades Rudy Giuliani. It is also interesting that the frontrunners in both races: Obama, Clinton, Giuliani, Romney, are considered “moderates” whose primary function is to get members of their own globalist coalition to accept as much of the agenda of the (alleged) opposing side as possible.

And that goes back to why Huckabee is so hated. Right now, the dogma on the right is that it is completely unacceptable to oppose corporate America even if they replace as many American workers with foreign workers as they can, even if they adopt domestic partner benefits that the government then copies to write their civil union bills, even if they make tons of money by dealing with governments like Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, China, etc., and even if their CEOs are brazen criminals that loot their companies for billions without any accountability. All Huckabee is doing is stating that, you know, maybe it is kinda sorta OK to oppose how these corporations have betrayed not only your personal financial self – interest but are daily committing acts of high treason against your own nation.

And that is making the GOP leadership apoplectic. MAYBE if evangelicals start resenting corporate America for outsourcing his job to India, relocating his son’s factory to China, and refusing to hire his other son for the construction job that would have paid his way through college or trade school because it can hire an undocumented Guatemalan for 1/3 the price, then they will start resenting corporate America for zealously doing business in these Marxist and Muslim nations that treat Christians so bad. And then MAYBE they will stop associating “Brokeback Mountain” and Madonna with the liberal Hollywood talent and media that produces and publicizes these abominations but the corporations that truthfully owns it all.

If that ever happens, the religious right will start thinking “Why am I so dirty, bruised, smelly, and disease – ridden? Oh, that’s right. I got into bed with the Rockefeller Wall Street Republican Party and then allowed it to do with me whatever it pleased.” And then the whole deal falls apart. Since joining up with the Democrats is not an option, you would see evangelicals leading – or joining – an effort to oppose the very sources that are undermining this nation – and let us face it the evangelical movement with it – that they are currently unwittingly supporting. Do not get me wrong, these people don’t REALLY fear a third political party movement. The multiparty parliamentary systems that Europe, Israel, and pretty much every “democratic” nation on earth have has not inhibited the globalist agenda that I am speaking of; if anything it has made it easier for them. Rather, it appears that what they most fear is a large group of unaffiliated yet active, engaged, and involved people. As a matter of fact, Gary North, a person prominent in the founding of the religious right says in The Silence Of The Fundamentalist Lambs at lewrockwell.com/north/north575.html (please read it even if you disagree with his theological views) asserts that the religious right was founded in large part by the same people who founded the religious left (including the civil rights movement!) precisely to make sure that the then – unaffiliated white evangelical and fundamentalist Christians chose a side. Since these people were successfully manipulated into supporting first Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Ronald Reagan in 1980, it really did not matter which side they chose so long as they picked one.

Now do not get me wrong. Huckabee, who is joined at the hip with the people who represent the worst of false evangelical Christianity (see Ties Between Mike Huckabee And John Hagee Discovered! He Also Has Ties To Kenneth Copeland, Tim LaHaye, And Rick Warren!) is not some contender for righteousness. Quite the contrary, Huckabee supported these people by going as far as to give scholarships to the children of illegal immigrants as a way of inducing their parents to move to Arkansas and work for Tyson Foods. Mike Huckabee also supported the Marxist National Education Association’s war against homeschoolers in Arkansas (see here and here). Now please note that Lew Rockwell is a pro – Ron Paul outfit and I regrettably have had to cease supporting him, so view it in that context, but everything that they say about Mike Huckabee is still nonetheless true. The national homeschool association endorsed Huckabee, but this was their reasoning: “When you understand he’s a Baptist minister, you don’t have to ask what he stands for.” With such logic the anti – Christ would be well – pleased! But it is very possible that the RHETORIC of Mike Huckabee might open some evangelical eyes that the GOP would rather remain wide shut.

Then again, it could be part of the game. After all, illegal immigration fighter Tom Tancredo, after helping scuttle an immigration deal that would have shut down the border over the fantasy that we could actually identify and deport 15 million illegal immigrants or even get most of them to voluntarily repatriate to Mexico, did endorse Mitt Romney yesterday. Calling it amnesty is one thing, calling it logistical reality is another.

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28 Responses to “Mike Huckabee’s Religious Right Crackup: Why The GOP Establishment Truly Loathes Him”

  1. Savea Metusela said

    I am especially suspicious not to mention totally distrustful of anybody who has pledged to dedicate his life to the work of the Lord as a full-time Pastor then to later abdicate it in order to enter the shady are of Politics. What does it then say about the character of this right-wing religious cook Huckaboo?

  2. Savea Metusela said

    I am especially suspicious not to mention totally distrustful of anybody who has pledged to dedicate his life to the work of the Lord as a full-time Pastor then to later abdicate it in order to enter the shady practice of Politics. What does it then say about the character of this right-wing religious cook Huckaboo?

  3. Charles D. said

    I am not only supporting, but, also voting for Barack Obama. Many past and certainly the current presidents are so in over their heads that they depend on staffers that really push their ideas and then the pres doesn’t even know the difference.

    Barack is a man of fresh ideas, knowledgeable, young enough to hold staffers in check, but, most important, the mold of “old Washington politics,” and the business as usualu will for the most part, get lost in the shuffel, at least for four years, if not forever. I’ve endured the apatheic “same old, same old” way past long enough. A new fresh ideaman might be useful. At least in my estimation, I’m willing to try it.

    Before the haters try eating my lunch, hey, I’m only one vote – what harm can there be in that.

    Charles

  4. Kyle said

    Charles,

    If your saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost you would know better than to vote for any of these frauds. Get with the program man! Cut the crap about “fresh” ideas and get your head out of your Butt. Thats like me saying I’m voting for Romney because he is of a “Christian” religeon (Sarcasm-Of course I know He is not) Just look at Barracks Pro-Black Church. Please! as if God is a respector of person’s. Stop the nonsense dude and follow Christ not man.

    Kyle

  5. Paul said

    Kyle,

    A real Christian does as Christ would do, even when filing a blog response as you did. I think Christ would find a kinder way of stating His point. You should also get your facts straight – to claim that Mormons are not Christians is absurd. What evangelicals really mean when they make this outrageous claim is that Mormons don’t believe in Christ in EXACTLY the same way that evangelicals do. (Some evangelicals are offended by any differing opinion on core doctrine in a way which is sort of comical and sort of sad.) It is dishonest to claim that Mormons don’t believe in Christ … and Christ was big on honesty. How would you feel if I claimed that you don’t believe in Christ just because your Christ and mine had some variations?

  6. Charles D. said

    WoW!

    Kind od caught me off guard, since you are……how did you say it: “saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost,” but then you followed those words with:
    “Cut the crap about “fresh” ideas” “ideas and get your head out of your Butt.”

    I’m totally preplexed by it all; so, Mr. Kyle could YOU please tell me for whom I should vote? HEADSUP: don’t say Christ though, because you know He is not on the ballot.

    Question for you; Have you ever served in the military, if so, which branch, when, and for how long?

    Charles

  7. Charles D. said

    Kyle

    BTW do you have a brother, perhaps twin who also comment on this post. Your likeness is absolutely phenom!!

    Please answer my forst questions first.

    Charles

  8. Charles D. said

    You’ll think of it; I’m sure that you will. And when you do Sunshine, I’m equally sure it will be a doozy. Since God have given only you, the ability to search the soul of men, I expect you will demonstrate this ability by coming up with a cure for cancer, maybe AIDS, or some equally plague against mankind.

    However, until you do, I’m going to step out on the climb here and say, were it not for those of “us” vets, of whom some gave all, but, all gave some; for you to have the right to express your opinion, however, blind-headed they are when it comes to independence. Make no mistake about it, you will never know me well enough to presume the familiarity to tell me take my head out of my butt, otherwise, were we face-to-face I would kick yours all the way to the poll.

    Furthermore you latter-day crusader, “44.50 or fight”. The same as it was then, so be it now.

    Charles

  9. Kyle said

    Paul,

    The Christ of Mormonism is NOT the Christ of the Bible. Sorry to inform you.

    Charles,

    Thanks for your service to our Country. That being said let me address each point. Regarding Barrack his ideas are antithetical to Christianity. First he is pro-choice all the way. Also he is pro gay and lesbian. Both of these are clearly ant-biblical. As for the “head out of your Butt” comment let me say it in a different way. You need to see what is really happening. We don’t pick our Presidents. Job and Eden would probably agree with me on this. Recent Presidencies have been chosen before we even get to go to the polls.

    Kyle

  10. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Let me continue on. How is it possible for someone who is black (Obama) to support abortion? It was Margaret Sanger a white lady who purposely created Planned Parenthood for the purpose of getting rid of the unwanted, primarily blacks. So far she has been successful seeing most planned parenthood clinics are located in poor urban neighborhoods. Now lets look at the direction of this country. Do you really think we are getting out of Iraq? Do really think that President Obama would get us out of Iraq? This is where the “Head out of your Butt” comment was directed. We HAVE to be in Iraq. Not because of WMDs but because those of the CFR and other globalist elites want us there. Charles, no president is going to do anything. They are bought and sold by lobbyist. Even Barrack who claims he does not take donations from major corporations is taking dollars from media moguls and places like Planned Parenthood. You see man you have to look deeper into what is going on. As a Christian I apologize for my over the top response. However I can’t take back the passion to which I am attempting to stress these truths. In fact Charles expect to se a tri-nation conglomerate called the North American Union, a new currency, weapons ban, more power ceded to the UN, and MUCH higher taxes WITHIN A DECADE. Don’t take my harsh direction towards you as anything else but trying to give a wake up call. I know this stuff may see like quackery and stuff but believe you me that we can’t change what is happening because we are not in control.

    Peace!

    Kyle

  11. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Let me address the cancer and AIDS question. Disease are the primarly vehicle by which mankind dies. We can attempt to prevent them (Cancer, heart disease) but we will allways wind up in the grave because we are sinners. Our lot in this life is death. We are sons and daughters of Satan “unless” we are the elect of God and saved by his Son’s grace. No President is going to make anyone add a single day to there life.

    Kyle

  12. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Here are some facts on Barrack

    Barack has a 100% pro-choice vote rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.

    He was the ONLY U.S. Senator who helped raise funds in 2006 to successfully repeal a South Dakota law that banned abortions.

    Senator Obama is the only candidate for President who rose in support of Illinois Planned Parenthood when their new Aurora clinic faced a threatened shut-down.

    When Congress failed to pass a law to require insurance plans to cover FDA-approved contraceptives, Obama supported a successful law to provide that requirement in Illinois.

    He recently co-sponsored a bill with Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) to make birth control more affordable for low-income and college age women after changes in federal law led to skyrocketing new costs.

    Here is his link to appointing an Openly Gay Minister to his campaign

    http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2007/10/24/4

    Kyle

  13. johnkaniecki said

    Charles,

    Greetings my friend and may God bless you. Thanks for your serivce. I know if at nineteen if I felt America in danger I would have gone down and registered. I know now at forty that if the call came now I would rather go to prison than to war. There is no “just war”. Clearly in hindsight the war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan was a good one to fight, comparatively speaking. Yet we fought it primarily for economic reasons. Saying this there was an exteme amount a patriotism and sacrifice on the ordinary individual’s part. World War 2 was a war for survival yet also an ideal one as well.

    This war is not. I am well fed, comfortable and have all that I need. I feel no sacrifice for this war except perhaps the high price of gasoline. I advocate peace and love but I would be doing this during peace time as well. I got on the ‘corner’ with my signs once a week to protest the war. I hope and pray that our boys and gals can come back home. The biggest mistake that the anti war movement made back in the sixties was spitting on the returning soldiers. I have talked to both the spitters and victims of spit.

    I am willing to die for my God. I am willing to make a stand. Enough of compromising our values. Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? If so how can you view the statemnet to “Love your enemies,” as a call to anything but non violence. When you drop a two ton bomb on somebodys head IT IS NOT LOVE.

    I don’t diminish those lives lost on Nine Eleven. I don’t hold young men and women guilty for making noble decisions with their lives and futures. I hold the fire to the feet of the weapons makers, the profiteers, the bankers, the generals, the politicans, the dreamers and scheemers of a new world order.

    What is a New World Order anyway? European culture dominates almost all of the world resources to the devastation of the impoverished masses. What more do these pigs want? Let’s not cast our pearls before swine, shall we.

    Love,

    John

  14. johnkaniecki said

    Charles,

    The comments of the above entry turn to the general and away from the specific.

    Love,

    John

  15. Charles D. said

    Hell-o Kyle

    You allude to the electorial college in an earlier comment, however, you sound as though you lacked the INT wherewithal to do so; therefore you made this little grandoise “drop of knowledge” on a political science major, then, thumped your chest.

    Not a single thing have you mentioned about Obama record, (and even IF so), do not constitute a sin unto death. That being said, there is not a single candidate, or even you yourself, that have not offended God’s law in some way. Now when you start out in the business of assigning a sin point system, e.g., this sin is worse than that sin, kind of thing, thens, you are serious ready for one of those little jackets that button down the back to go with those butane undies.

    But, not even that is the most profound indicator that you are troubled and is not well. That would be the fact that you would presume to advice people, many of whom, I’d even say 85% of whom would have a 3 degit IQ and thats after subtracting your score. What I’m now wondering is whether you (poor cretor) have a clue as to how he sounds to others.

    Now, any semi-lierate person would have attempted to answer my real questions before claiming to have done so. Whatsup, your mind racing faster than your tongue? That would be another sign. My questions to are still outstanding. The half-hearted “thanks for your service to our country” was wasted, in-part because I did not even know that there would be such a thing as a Kyle(proper) when I served and continue to serve, and will continue to serve my country in some capacity; “political slut.”

    Especially, you did not answer the ?? about this brother/twin of yours (if you have one that post on a blog. I’m sure you get my drift. Kyle, you could study very hard 24/7 and myself .1/.1 and you would be as lost as you are now; resulting in you will still be what you are and I will still support and vote for Barack!

    You are becoming a Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell kind of thinker: “We preyed to da Lawd dat Bill Clint’N not be elected presadant of owl countri” Well, I guess “da lawd” wasn’t listening to them, and I will not listen to you.

    Get a Life, you’re too young to be so stupid. Even if you’re 100+ thats too young to be so stupid. You better use that brain God gave you, He might recall in favor of someone else; maybe an Obama supporter.

    Charles

  16. Charles D. said

    Hell-o John!

    I hope all is well with you can that you and family have continued to be blessed.

    My feelings regarding an unpopular war is not too different than yours.

    Thing is….some mothers’ sons, regardless to whatever his beliefs and feelings are, they have in the past and are currenly fighting that unpopular war.

    my grandson (God forbid) may be included in those numbers. I guess so long as those youngsters continue make those kinds of sacriface, I’m going be one of their biggest supporters.

    Take care John,

    Charles

  17. Kyle said

    Charles,

    What are talking about a “twin” on another site. I’m the same Kyle that posts on PulpitPimps.org, Independent Conservative, and GCM Watch. I don’t post anywhere else but those places. Where did I address the Electoral College? Also, what does pointing out Obamas record of 100% pro-choice have to do with unpardonable sin? It’s just the facts man. He likes to appoint deviant Pastors to his campaign. Just a fact. He likes to make sure little children are sucked out of a mother’s womb. Just a fact. Sorry if you read the DNCs talking points more than the Bible. And as for Jerry Falwell and his ilk I don’t support the Religious Right either. There a bunch of phonies just like Obama. So why don’t you get your facts straight brah!

    Kyle

  18. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Moving on. Let me ask you some questions.

    Is abortion right?

    Is homosexuality right?

    Is heavy taxation right?

    Is reading the book King and King to 5 year olds a good thing like Obama said?

    Is your desire for belief in a “man” clouding your ability to see that which is true?

    BTW, as I said I don’t support Falwell, Robertson, and other right wing pimps so don’t go down that path. I’m NOT a Republican. That being said I am NOT a Democrat. I don’t follow the NWO as you do.

    Kyle

  19. Saven said

    Hey Y’all Lets stop the Bull and just cut to the chase. Concerning Obama – all I can say is:::
    OH BUMMER!!!!!

  20. Charles D. said

    Okay, lets get two facts out of the way immediately. One you cannot shutup and two, you’re not too bright. You mentioned the electorial college when you asserted that the president had been chosen before we went to the polls, which makes you half right. You see, representatives cannot vote until the polls in the state which they represent officially closes. Places like my home, Alaska, well theres this lil old thing called “time zones” yada yada yada. My point is you “dropped sum knowledge” on someone that not only do not need it, but could teach you a few things.

    Right about now I would quiz you on “bicameral” governments. however, I don’t want to shame you any more than you’ve shamed yourself already. Suffice it to say that you are not exactly the posterboy to win friends, influence people, or spreading the Word.

    Since you shouldn’t follow a question of someone elses with a question of your own; you go back to my post, answer the questions of mine that you’ve left unanswered, and then, I will answer the fairly simple questions that you’ve posed to me.

    BTW: You just didn’t get the Robertson,Falwell, Clinton thing, but, I bet everyone else who are semi-aware of political events over the past ten years got it. Why don’t you goggle it?

    You’re easy.

    Charles

  21. Charles D. said

    Saven

    Don’t know about Kyle, but, you’ve mistaken me for someone who takes you seriously, or care what your of less value than 2cents take on things are. Wanna cut the bull? Let it start with you.

    Chas

  22. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Why don’t you grow up. I have two college degrees my friend. One in Business and the other in Education. Personally I don’t need to prove anything to you. I never mentioned the electoral college. I was talking about the fact that individuals who run for the Presidency are members of the CFR and the like. I was implying that the good old boy network picks who the contenders to the throne are. This is why you will never see a truly independent person win the Presidency ever. I did “get it” regarding Falwell and Robertson. That still does not answer the question as to why someone who claims they are a Christian would vote for Obama. That was the “original” question. You still can’t answer it because your probably a good house negro on the Democrat Plantation shukin n’ jivin for the Democrats. You know who you are Chuck.

    Kyle

  23. Charles D. said

    More importantly, I know who you are: not a person with a degree, let alone two. Other than maybe, a Masonic degree and I understand they do not have educational criteria. One needs only to look at your comments to see you look more and more like a “christian” with every utterence you make.

    Listen, lets stop it. You don’t have to take this. You can have a dialogue with someone that appreciate your contribution, or, lack thereof.

    You’re still easy for ME. So let well enough do.

    Charles

  24. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. But seriously A.A.S Degree Management, Marketing, and Sales class of 99. B.S. Degree School of Education – class of 01.

    Lets just move on and let bygones be bygones.

    Kyle

  25. Charles D. said

    Okay, how did you bribe ITT to accept you? (joke intended). NOW! Seriously, the linear thinker never feels the need to verify or justify a piece of “paper.” After all it is the knowledge received during the course of the investment of your time. The paper will eventually change ro may be lost, it is the knowledge that should not become sagnant and is left for one should build on.

    Coming from the class of 01, assuming you did not repeat any classes, makes you a very young man. My life experiences alone, excluding academea, require that I bow out of this. I do so now.

    Charles

  26. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Fair enough. Besides we will actually get along fine in the Kingdom Brother no matter what little arguments we have hear on earth.

    God Bless,

    Kyle

  27. Kyle said

    Charles,

    Fair enough. Besides we will actually get along fine in the Kingdom Brother no matter what little arguments we have here on earth.

    God Bless,

    Kyle

  28. Saven said

    I had a dream last night that Mitt Romney became the Republican Party Nominee and ran against Hillary Clinton in the General Election. He beat her hands down and became the 44th President of the United States of America. Hail to the next President of the United STates of American Mitt Willard Romney!!

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