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John Hagee Claims That Jesus Christ Was Not The Messiah

Posted by Job on October 27, 2007

Hagee’s transformation from legitimate evangelical preacher to endtimes charlatan to political powerbroker espousing right wing dual covenant theology to Noachide Gentile is complete. That is him. My question is why do people continue to sit in this fellow’s church, and why haven’t other major preachers started denouncing him. As a matter of fact, as I have stated earlier, Hagee remains a trustee at Oral Roberts University. Is the great apostasy, the great falling away, underway yet? I say not yet. But the seeds for it are being sown.

Update: I have cut and pasted the information from the article below, because it appears that most are not clicking on the link:

I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit—I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel. (Romans 9:1-4)

Do We Believe Hagee Or Do We Believe God?

In the video clip below you will hear for yourself John Hagee say his book In Defense Of Israel “will shake Christian theology.” And further that, “it Scripturally proves…that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah… It will prove…Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah…”

However, God the Holy Spirit informs us in John’s eyewitness deposition we call the Gospel of John – The woman said, “I know that Messiah (called Christ) is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.” Then Jesus declared, “I Who speak to you am He (John 4:25-26).

So whose testimony are you going to believe? Hagee or God. The Truth is that Dr. John MacArthur is correct when he says, “An individual Jew today is saved like anybody else is, by faith in Christ. And, apart from that, there is no salvation.” (Online source)

Sola Dei Gloria also weighs in on this blatant heresy of Hagee here.


107 Responses to “John Hagee Claims That Jesus Christ Was Not The Messiah”

  1. Hagee is showing his horns…
    He is just defending Molech, and wants others to protect his god too.
    One thing that these particular preachers keep saying is “Time is running out…Our time is short.” Gee, I wonder where I have heard that before?
    Is our time running out? Or do we have eternity? I am sure that the bible says that Satan knows his time is short…So who are these preachers “lobbying” for?

    • Very good comment. I beleive that the majority of “evangelical” or “fundamental” preachers which espouse the “pretribulation rapture” have become a part of the Strong Delusion which God (not the devil) will send (and has been sending).

      Moreover, the bible very plainly states in the account of Jesus and the “woman at the well” the following:

      Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
      Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
      Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
      Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
      Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
      Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

      People like Hagee are either lost and are being used, or saved, and being decived and used.

      • Tom said

        Hagee is NOT a Fundamental Baptist preacher!! He is a FALSE prophet and has been for a while. Hagee came out of the new evangelical group.

    • S. D. Church said

      This is very sad. John Hagee taught in the Bible college I attended almost 40 years ago. He was always one of my favorite preachers. But to state that Jesus did not come to be the Jewish Messiah is just plain false doctrine. The Bible says, “Then the high priest said to him, ‘I demand in the name of the living God that you tell us whether you claim to be the Messiah, the Son of God.’ ‘Yes,’ Jesus said, ‘I am. And in the future you will see me, the Messiah, sitting at the right hand of God….'” (Mt. 26: 63b-64 TLB). Pray for John Hagee that he will return to correct Biblical theology in his preaching.

  2. Eden Hadassah: “Is our time running out? Or do we have eternity? I am sure that the bible says that Satan knows his time is short…So who are these preachers “lobbying” for?”

    Now if that isn’t an eye – opening speech – changing observation I do not know what is!

  3. There are many things that these people “divine”, I can not say it is prophecy, because if it were prophecy, then we would have to say that it was from G_d. “Divine” is a better word. It is divination, not prophecy.
    Things like “This is the season of a great harvest”. It is all about this harvest! What harvest? The harvest I have come to understand is the great harvest of Revelation. The fruit is RIPE! Benny Hinn (Ben Hinnom), Paula White, and all the prosperity preachers keep talking about this harvest. Benny Hinn has claimed to talk to the dead, (necromancy). That is divination.

  4. kingskid49 said

    While listening to JH, I cannot remember the Sermon title, however, John was talking about when Joseph’s brothers came to Egypt for food. He went into a long dissertation, about how Joseph sent all the Egyptian “gentiles” out of the room so that Joseph could prove to his brothers that he was indeed Joseph–how was this accomplished? According to JH “he showed them his circumcision. My jaw dropped, I could not control my pen. I wrote to him explained in detail the error of his unscriptrual references. I received a reply which inferred that I had done the research and that I could possibly be right, however, their church was growing so fast and exponentially that they did not have/nor would take, the time to investigate if my statements were in fact valid.

    My interpretation of the inference is:
    “We are making money hand over fist, so the people are evidently loving his lies. Thank you very much.”

    The old adage is “If you tell one lie you will have to tell two.

    So people get ready get ready, get ready!

  5. kingskid49:

    Wow, you wrote Hagee and got a response? And Hagee admitted to you that he had better things to do than write Biblically accurate sermons? Oh well. I think that the Joseph story comes from rabbinic Jewish tradition. It may be oral, it may be in the Talmud or in one of their other many books. The point is that the more Hagee deals with those Jewish religious political leaders in Israel and America, the less he preaches Christianity and the more he preaches rabbinic Judaism. It really is getting to be a common problem among “Christian Zionists.” I honestly wonder if these people start out with an “ends justifies the means” attitude where they are willing to mislead Jews concerning that the Bible actually says in order to facilitate good relations with them, so that they can encourage the Jews to move back to Israel so that the rapture will take place. That might actually have initially been Hagee’s plans: to convince Jewish leaders that evangelical Christians bear them no ill will and will advocate for their protection and will help them finance their mission to locate all of the scattered Israeli tribes and move them to Israel. But it looks like he has been taken in by his own game. You try to deceive others and you only wind up deceiving yourself.

  6. Hagee is teaching out of Talmudic tradition…definately.
    That is where the teachings on the blessings of Ephraim come from, and all the talk about Joseph.
    He forgets, as do the Talmud thumping, Kabbalah loving “sages”, that Ephraim’s blessing by Jacob wasn’t so impressive! They seem to overlook that. Jacob told Joseph that Manassah and Ephraim were to be his, and any children born to Joseph after Manassah and Ephraim were of the tribe of Joseph. It is also interesting to mention, that if you look at the 144 sealed in Revelation, you will find that Ephraim and Dan are not listed.
    That is not a typo.

  7. 144,000…

  8. Eden Hadassah:

    I noted that Dan was not listed. I wrote (a Messianic Jewish ministry) and asked them why, and they say that it was because Dan went after idolatry in Judges and never stopped, so they were disinherited. I noticed the absence of Ephraim (interestingly also the name of the northern kingdom that was scattered by the Assyrians and had no part in rebuilding the temple) in Revelation, I just assumed that the writer used Manassah to replace Dan and that the tribe of Joseph was inclusive of Ephraim.

  9. Nope…
    When the kingdom of Solomon was split in two because of his idolotry, the northern kingdom went to the first king Jereboam, who was from Ephriam. It was king Jereboam that set up the worship of the Baals in Bethel and in the land of Dan (modern day Tel Aviv). Jereboam raised up his own priests, prophets, changed the set and appointed times, and said “Here are your gods that brought you up out of Egypt.” This is something that never ended. There were 20 Kings of Israel and 20 Kings of Judah, but of all 40 Kings, 33 Kings did evil in the sight of G_d. Hummm…there is that number 33. Aren’t Scottish Rite freemasons 33 degree?
    Seems too far fetched right? Maybe not!
    In 1 Kings 10:14, we are also told what Solomon’s yearly wages are…
    666 talents, not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from all the Arabian kings and the governors of the land. Doesn’t that seem a little odd to anyone? There is that other number, 666. Is that too far fetched of me? When you read through the kings, you can see a mirror image of today’s society and how we do business. It was during the time of the two kingdoms that all the prophets came. And it was because of the sin of Ephraim and Dan, which spread like a virus and corrupted Judah as well. Yet for some reason, we think that all ended. It is what gives an even clearer picture of Revelations.
    The blessing that Jacob gave to Ephraim wasn’t so impressive because he said that Ephraim’s decendance would be a “group of nations.” If you have a greek, hebrew bible and you look up the word nation as it is used, the hebrew word means gentile nation. This is important also in understanding why Ephraim is not mentioned in Revelations. The sin of Ephraim is very much alive today as is the sin of Dan. It still is in Israel today.
    Hagee himself has said that christians have this blessing of Ephraim. UNDER MY RESURRECTED BODY! This supposed blessing is becoming very popular, and it even runs into the belief that there are two messiah’s, the first was of the son of David, and the second would be from the son of Joseph. I have read this in portions of the Talmud.
    I would rather stick to the the word of G_d, not the words of the “sages”.

  10. kingskid49 said

    The response was signed by an underling, but it was on JHM letterhead. The spokesperson speaks in the name of the head of the organization, correct?

  11. Kingskid49: That is correct.

  12. Here is another bizarre connection…
    Who owns all the major movie corporations…like Paramount, etc.?
    Isn’t interesting that they always produce movies about Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Samson, Joseph, King David, Cleopatra, and Noah. How come they have never produced a movie about Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Amoz, Jonah, Ezekiel, Nahum, or any other prophets of the time of the kings?
    The reason is that if anyone did the research of the worship of the ancient gods of Dagon, Molech, Baal and so on, and made a movie about it and how Israel sinned, too many connections would be made between then and now. Christians would begin to see the stock market for what it is as bull worship. They are already catching on, but it is still fragmented for them. But they are starting to see. To make a movie about prophets would be a huge problem for them, and I don’t think that if it was done biblically acurate, it would even get the time of day.

  13. Fran said

    Kingskid49;If you read Gensis:45, verse 1 Joseph makes himself known to his brothers(how?)

    verse 2 He cries aloud, verse 3 He announces to his brothers that he is their brother, and

    invites them to come closer. I’m no fan of Hagee,but I can see him pullng this out of the frst

    verse. I do mean puuuuulling.

  14. kingskid49 said

    Hello Fran,

    Genesis 45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said,– I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.

    He told them a truth that only they(all eleven)knew.

    It is not necessary to add a lie when the truth is there for all to see.

    Or is this called entertainment?

  15. Fran:

    Hagee did not invent this himself. Seriously, it is written in the Jewish Talmud, part of Jewish extrabiblical tradition. For Hagee to be parroting Jewish tradition as if it is true without any qualifying statements or even identifying the source is completely acceptable. What makes it worse is that there is NO REASON for Hagee to preach this. Joseph proving that he was their brother by showing them his circumcision is AN UTTERLY SUPERFLUOUS DETAIL to Christians: only a Jew who prizes circumcision as a sign of covenant relationship with God and a way of being distinct from Gentiles would care about something like that. By making note of that when the Bible doesn’t, Hagee is Judaizing his congregation. Worse still, you have to consider the REASON why the Jews inserted that into the Talmud: as a polemic against Gentiles, and especially Gentile Christians. Hagee is not uneducated … he knows why the rabbis wrote that interpretation into their tradition … to serve the same purposes as our “George Washington confessed to chopping down a cherry tree because he never told a lie” and “our nation was founded on Christianity rather than deism, freemasonry, and Enlightenment philosophy” myths serve. We all know that Hagee is Judaizing his congregation, and furthermore we all know why.

  16. Fran said

    Gen.45:1 Then Joseph could not refrain himself beore all them that stood by him; and he cried,

    Caused every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself

    known unto his brethren.

    Gen.45:2 And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard.

    Gen.45:3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his

    brethren could not answer him;for they were troubled at his presence.

    Gen45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you And they came near. And

    he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold in Egypt.

    It was in verse 1. We know how theatrical Hagee is.

  17. Fran said


    I had never noticed anything in the scripture. I reread it and that’s why I said that he was pulling out. But it is more like a long stretch of whats in verse 1. I know what you’re saying
    as far as his stand. Hagee makes my stomach turn when he speaks.

  18. Sue said

    Hagee needs to MOVE to Israel! He and his followers put Israel above America’s own good as does “Christian Zionists” who are NOT “Christian” at ALL! Israel HAS,YES HAS murdered American’s plenty of times, i.e. U.S.S. Liberty, Lavon affair,spied on U.S. and Mossad also WAS involved in 9-11 too,along with people in our OWN gov’t too!Wake up! Israel is NOT the “good allies” people think they are,or they profess to be! But it is the pure evil Zionists doing it NOT the whole Jews! Zionists have even murdered Jews and blamed it on “Arabs” lots of times! Hagee is a traitor to U.S. and NOT a REAL Christian but a phoney,moneyman!

  19. daniel said

    how do you stop lying

  20. Eden Hadassah said

    What lie?
    Do you believe everything Hagee tells you, or for that fact the media?
    Hagee and the whole congregation (all 18,000) SHOULD TRY to make a move to Israel. Wanna know why? Because they would not be accepted in! They would not be welcome to live on Israeli soil. Didn’t you know that? Israeli’s consider “Christian Zionists” to be trouble makers, warmongger’s, idolators, and wealthy. So they will take the money, the lobbying on their behalf, the praise and adornment, but they will not be welcome to live there.
    What is the first thing Christians or even “Christian Zionists” do when they enter the Holy Land? They make their pilgramages and visit all the holy sites and places that Yeshua walked and taught at. That IS what they do. They go as tourists, see the sites, eat the food, spend their money, and leave. Should this be enough from professed Christians? Shame on them! They are so taken by their own religious emotion, that they will walk right by the poor and the suffering. Would they visit the red light district of Tel Aviv, and comfort a young girl who sells her body to make ends meet? Or comfort their Christian Palestinian brothers and sisters suffering on the other side of the wall? Far beit for them to put their lives on the line for messiah! They are there to have fun! They care not for the Israeli people or the Palestinian people. You will hear that straight from the mouths of Israeli’s. Let’s be honest now, how many who have made the trip to the Holy Land, went there with the first agenda being to visit the impoverished and the suffering, and then to visit the holy sites? How many when they went just had this “feeling” that they were “home?” The feelings of “being” home is the same feeling that takes place here…it’s called denial. Many feel at home with denial.
    If you want to visit the Holy Land and meet God there, visit the poor, the lame, the hungry, the prostitute, and those who are in prision for speaking out against Zionism. Visit the Israeli detention camps (concentration camps), not that they would let you in, but make the effort anyway, where they have been told that they don’t deserve to bear children, and have their children taken from them, because they refuse to submit to Zionism’s way. Where do you think all those children in the orphanages come from? They are not just children who’s parent’s died at the hands of an Arab. No. Most of their parents are alive, and they have been defrauded of their families. Hagee has a wall of honor, and every one that gives their money in support of these orphans has their name put on the wall. MAY OUR NAMES NEVER BE FOUND THERE! To support the orphanage is to condone their crimes and give acceptance to sin.
    Finally Daniel, how can preachers who say to support Israel and bless them so that Christians can be blessed, do not see that more than 35% of Israel lives in poverty? With all the money that flows into Israel every day of every year since it’s inception, there shouldn’t be a single person hungry! Ask yourself why, before you say we lie!

  21. Tanya said

    Shame on all of you, yes I have een raised on Hagee’s tching my whle life but I also understand that God’s word tells us NOT TO TOUCH HS ANNOINTED so I would strongly advise all of you to be VERY carefull, because regardless of whether or not you agree w/ him or not you might want to spend more time on your knees in prayer and let Yahweh deal w/ Hagee, and has everyone forgotten that our Saviour was/IS JEWISH!! And your bible and mine tells us to “pray for the PEACE of Jerusalem” let alone the fact that BIBLE prophecy is coming to pass daily in ref. to Israel, all you have to do is watch the news or open a newspaper any day of the week to know that His return is so near you can see it and feel it. So how about more “LOVE” and “Spreading of the Gospel” and less of the rederick above. Let Yah judge. Rom. ch9-11 cannot be denied, read carefully that is IF you want to know the TRUTH!

  22. Charles D. said


    First of all: God Bless You. NOW! Because you were raised on Hagee does not make him either right or, God’s annointed. What it does mean, in part, is that on that great day Hagee will have a lot of explaining to do.

    I can imagine the question might be: why have you led my sheep astray? He better have a good answer, but, right now I cannot think of anything he might say in his own defense (allowing for the fact that he has to give an accounting for you and others of his flock).

    There is good news and not so good news: The good news is that God can reach you in the midst of his congregation and allow you to receive His pure Word and any message that He have for you. The no so good news is that so much fruit would have been gathered and wasn’t because time that should have been spend doing just that, was lessened because Hagee is not and was not what his congregation thought he was; and that time was lost.

    I admire ANYONE that have an open and expressive affection for their pastor, however, more time should be spent lining up what that pastor says with the Gospel.

    In Christ,


  23. Tanya said

    Charles,I guess first this will be my last entry because the Lord is not pleased w/all of this garbage on the internet anyways(some good but MUCH bad) Like I’ve said many times, when u and all these others that talk badly about these AWESOME men of God, have led as many people to the saving knowledge of Christ as they have, then maybe just maybe you’ll have a leg to stand on, but until then, those people can stay Broke, Sick, Lost and Not Blessed. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, in Spirit and in Truth. We will be Blessed because we Bless Israel. But if people want to, they can be Cursed because they Curse Israel, their choice. By the way I don’t go to Hagee’s Church and am not one of his flock, but my household does support “Christians United for Israel” and we attended the recent Washington Summit w/3,500 others rep. EVERY STATE in this NATION, Randy Travis, Sen. MaCain, Newt Gingerage were ALL there also and spoke in support of Hagee’s Ministry and Israel. Again be careful, Study to show yourself approved..rightfull dividing the Word of Truth. Every word that comes out of JH is Spirit Led and does line up w/Scripture, some are jealous,some hate his in your face “No Compramise” teaching but nevertheless the message is TRUE and CHRIST IS ALWAYS LIFTED UP TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. Love also in Christ my Messiah(Yashua)

  24. Gan Na'al said

    Tanya said:

    Shame on all of you, yes I have een raised on Hagee’s tching my whle life but I also understand that God’s word tells us NOT TO TOUCH HS ANNOINTED so I would strongly advise all of you to be VERY carefull,

    This is the biggest scam going – as if we are not permitted to analyze and discuss what a ‘shepherd’ says and discern whether he is a good tree or a bad tree. We are commanded to be fruit inspectors, not idolatrous junkies dependent upon every breath that comes out of such a man. And what an angry little man this one is…I cannot believe how he rants from the ‘pulpit’. It sickens me.

    And your bible and mine tells us to “pray for the PEACE of Jerusalem”

    Scripture also says that Jerusalem is the bloody city–woe to the bloody city. It is spiritually Sodom and Egypt–where our Master was slain. The Satanist/Luciferian/Babylonian Brotherhood/Kanaanite Trafficking/ Esau Jews have control of it and the other major cities seats of the world.

    The New Jerusalem IS the Bride of Messiah. We are His temple. Pray for His temple, His called out ones, and pray for the day when Messiah will cleanse that real estate over there and rule from there. But don’t mistake it for being clean NOW.

    Revelation 21

    1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from Elohim out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of El is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and Elohim himself shall be with them, and be their Elohim.

  25. Gan Na'al said

    This is unbelievable – what a way to live in a bubble!

    Tanya said:

    Shame on all of you, yes I have een raised on Hagee’s tching my whle life but I also understand that God’s word tells us NOT TO TOUCH HS ANNOINTED so I would strongly advise all of you to be VERY carefull,

    This is the biggest scam going – as if we are not permitted to analyze and discuss what a ‘shepherd’ says and discern whether he is a good tree or a bad tree. We are commanded to be fruit inspectors, not idolatrous junkies dependent upon every breath that comes out of such a man. And what an angry little man this one is…I cannot believe how he rants from the ‘pulpit’. It sickens me.

    And your bible and mine tells us to “pray for the PEACE of Jerusalem”

    Scripture also says that Jerusalem is the bloody city–woe to the bloody city. It is spiritually Sodom and Egypt–where our Master was slain. The Satanist/Luciferian/Babylonian Brotherhood/Kanaanite Trafficking/ Esau Jews have control of it and the other major cities seats of the world.

    The New Jerusalem IS the Bride of Messiah. We are His temple. Pray for His temple, His called out ones, and pray for the day when Messiah will cleanse that real estate over there and rule from there. But don’t mistake it for being clean NOW.

    Revelation 21

    1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from Elohim out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of El is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and Elohim himself shall be with them, and be their Elohim.

  26. Eden Hadassah said

    You have fallen for the Hagee mantra. As a hebrew myself, I can honestly tell you that you are not blessing Israel if you send money and “support her”. Let me give you a few reasons…
    first, my people are a covenant people. What does that mean? Well, beyond the whole “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you” speech, I can tell you that their entrance into the capturing of the land in 1948, constitutes them choosing death over life. How? With the conditions of the Lord offering “the Land they were entering”, he followed with these stipulations…”I put before you life and death, blessings and curses…now CHOOSE LIFE.” They chose death. They chose distruction. They chose false witness. They chose stealing. Now, for those who choose to “bless them”, you are actually cursing them and yourself. You do so by willfully turning a blind eye to the distruction and suffering of another race of people. They did not have the council of the Lord upon entering the Land, nor did it ever please him in the first place.
    Second, you would be willingly entering into covenant with some of my people who are athiestic, some who are ultra-orthodox, and some who GENUINELY love the Lord. The ones who genuinely love the Lord where chased from their homes in 1948 and 1967, and continue to be persecuted. Who are they? They are OUR brothers and sisters in Christ. More than 40% of them have been taken from their homes, fleeing for their lives. This is your support of Israel? To curse your own spiritual family? You should be ashamed of yourself…to covenant with a people who care not for the Lord, is to prostitute yourself with them. I say this because they are my people and I love them. I consider anyone who is willing to play along with their deadly game to be cursing them to HELL. This is the cold hard fact.
    Third…to believe that you will win favor with God by blessing a people that John the baptist said, “The Lord could raise these stones to be children of Abraham”, what is the good in that?
    These are a people who have become “idolized”, and in lifting them up, you are just lifting up the flesh. They love the “pulp”, precept and line, and have no regard for the Lord of Hosts. They lift their Talmud as holy and deny the Law of Moses.
    Now, of all that I tell you, do you really believe that I am cursing my own people? I tell you the truth, and that is not either a curse nor is it “anti-semetic.” The truth is that you along with many others have been taken in by the flesh, and spit in the face of Yeshua their messiah. When you take their custom’s, and rituals to yourself, you are doing exactly what Paul was clear in warning about.
    Everyone says that Jesus was Jewish. NO, he was a hebrew. He fulfilled all the laws of Moses, and rejected the laws of the Pharasees.
    It was not in His mannor of dress…for he was dressed in the Glory of God. It was not in the language he spoke…for he spoke the language of Love, clear and without restraint. It was not about his liniage, for he is God, and created all mankind, bringing reconciliation back to the Father, who could not look at sinfulness. His liniage was important for one purpose; to show the jews that it was indeed Him that they had peirced and that He would come again.
    Do not be unequally yoked with Israel. Open your eyes and look upon His loveliness. It is God who will save Israel, and no amount of money you will be able to give will help her in this time. She must call upon the name of the Lord, and she must repent of her ways. Nothing has changed.

  27. Charles D. said


    I stand corrected; I thought you wrote that you grew up on Hagee in your earlier. You do realize that you do not have to actually attend his church, just be exposed to his doctrine. Now, I am sure you said you attended this fabulous conference.

    I have no hate for Hagee, I stop listening to him some 15-18 years ago when his was one of the few programs available in Alaska. I did not support his ministry in a financial way though. Even back then, he said most of the right words and never diviated in a real noticeable way, however, there was something that was just not right. The Spirit with me would not allow my spirit to rest listening to him. Also I remember when he became a spiritual fatalist, prophesying to put fear into people in a needless way.

    It is truly unfortunate that you will leave this site for the reasons that you stated. You see, if something is not “right” you should have known from the start, then, leave. Not because someone have a different opinion of someone that you hold in esteem. There are people who have had a much personal encounter with Hagee and will say things that will curl your hair, and their experience result from actual episodes with the man. Me personal refuse to follow anyone who cannot adequately defend himself or what he has to say.

    Now I am very happy that “As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, in Spirit and in Truth.” I totally disagree with you in tenrs of why He will bless you (if He does) for the reason you states here. But, I too support Israel, not for the blessing, but, because I believe given the Bible, it is the right thing for me to do and I don’t need Hagee to tell me that. And while I’m on it, if he collects gunds for Israel, I doubt if all of it makes it there. “We will be Blessed because we Bless Israel.”

    Finally, your gathering of these luminaries does not exactly give Hagee the ringing endorsement you might have intended and I will tell you why. These people, not unlike Hagee himself, was in it for gain. Of the people you named, please know that “Randy Travis,[was paid, he’s seen the best days of his popularirty and needs the money] Sen. MaCain [looking for political support, his numbers in the polls are horrible], Newt Gingerage [never thought much of the author of the “Contract on America” also, he lied about committing adultry, devoriced his faithful wife for his secretary, he was trying to make another political run, then, thought better of it, and he is a bigot of the first order and now lives down the street from me. Though I have followed him since his days at a Jr. Colloege outside of Cartersville, Georgia. Be leary of any politician that chose to remain in D.C. AFTER THEIR TERMS EXPIRE.] were ALL there also and spoke in support of Hagee’s Ministry” Now, I’ve just told you why.

    God Bless you and yours,


  28. Charles D. said

    Eden my Sister:

    One thing that almost slipped through the cracks on me, I think I mentioned before about the program where Jordan invited the Palestinian people to Jordan during the very early days of Arafat. Because of things that resulted, they were asked to leave. Can you comment to me, either here or by email;

    –your take on what happened
    –why did it happen
    –your general feelings about the Palestinian cause

    I am grateful for your thoughts.


  29. Eden Hadassah said

    Hi Charles,

    The plan to move the Palestinians to Jordan didn’t begin with the “good will” of Jordan, but rested in a brokered deal between Zionists and the King of Jordan, who are “freemason brothers.” Lots goes on through the need for money, but more than that, for WATER! There was a covenant that Israel made with Jordan to supply water to them, and now that the drought is probably worse than at other time known to them, they have broken that covenant made with Jordan. On the Palestinian side, they felt like they had been betrayed. I guess in a lot of Palestinian minds is “when do we also get the right to return?” According to the Torah, they have a right to return to their homes. The plan to move them all to Jordan felt like a stab in the back, considering that until 1967, Jordan had control of the West Bank. Israeli’s have made it all but impossible for people to live humanely, and Jordan’s agreement to displace them again adds insult to injury.
    My feelings for the Palestinian cause, is the same feelings I have for any country that has been systematically “cleansed”. More so for the Palestinians, because “my people” are supposed to show the grace, mercy and love of God. They claim they are God’s “special” people, yet if any of the prophets such as Isaiah or Jeremiah were living here and now, they would deem them “self-hating jews” or go so far as to say they were “anti-semitic.” There were no prophets telling them to invade the land and take it. Their native land where they were born and raised, many of them, were from Germany, Russia and other northern places. My mother is a Saphardi, and my father an Ashkenazi, therefore, those like myself, Ethiopian’s, or Sephardi’s on both parent’s side, are treated with contempt, and discriminated against. Because of my stance on the treatment of the Palestinian people, I and my family are not welcome, and we are denied the “right of return.” It is not the time to “return” any way. My family’s documentation and registration with in the synogogues goes all the way back to Italy in Naples. Will this help? Nope! It doesn’t matter that we even know the original tribe we come from. And at this point, I don’t think I would even be interested in showing them all that I have in terms of my family’s migration. My maiden last name is a famous one, that caused MAJOR problems at the forming of Israel in 1948. Entrance to Israel would be denied because of my family name.
    When we look at the plight of the Palestinian people, I have always had to ask myself this question…”Do people who have their homes taken from them, and end up living in slums and abject poverty, have a right to fight back?” Imagine in America, right now so many are afraid that Islam will take over and “ruin” our way of life. That they would impose restrictions, displace us and threaten us. Think about it…what is the war on terror anyway? So in other countries, as a matter of fact, in all other countries, they are allowed to go on the offensive against anyone that would threaten ours or their way of life…all but the Palestinians. Does this seem strange? And anyone that chooses to help them means they are “turning their back on Israel?” There are actually bigger problems in our country than Islam or the muslims in general. For all the lunacy that some of them claim, and although they do not believe that Yeshua is God, but just a prophet, they have never done what the jewish people have done to the name of our Lord. It is the Talmud that not only rejected our Lord, but slandered him in the most perverse ways. Not just him, but his mother as well. No muslim has ever done this. There was always respect and blessing at the name of Jesus and his mother Mary. Not so with the jewish people. The Talmud goes so far as to say that all christians should be beheaded. It is the Talmud that says that all non-jews are animals and that even the most righteous gentile deserves death. This is the mindset of the most religious orthodox jews in both America and Israel. (And around the world for that matter.) They have passed into law, IN THIS COUNTRY, the “noahide laws”, by orthodox rebbe Schneerson. I will give you the link to the site that will show you what our country has done to “gentiles” in setting up this Talmudic law.
    It is just the beginning, so if you think there are problems with Islam, I can tell you, that I would prefer to be under the Islamic law then Talmudic law! I have given this link before, but I feel it is important for christians to know and understand what they are embracing. The link will take you to a page about America and Talmudic law, but if you go to the home page, you will be able to read the Babylonian Talmud for yourself. It is the most perverse hate literature ever written.
    When you hear orthodox jews say they are “Torah loving jews” know that they mean the Talmud. The Talmud replaced the Torah back during the time of the Babylonian exile. Nothing has changed. It was the reason for Yeshua’s disgust with the Pharasees and the scribes. He came to put an end to the madness of their exuses for “the unclean gentile”, pedephelia, rape, beastiality, sexual relations with demons, and every thing that is against the Hebrew bible. To add insult to injury, many of the northern peoples, aka, Russia, Germany, Europe, (purely white, and purely Ashkenazi) converted to Judaism. Which means they are gentiles who made Judaism their “religion,” and are not hebrews by blood. This is insult to injury because, they themselves are “goyim” by blood, and according to the Talmud, even the most righteous gentile deserves death. Do you see the madness? If you speak against one of these “jews”, you are anti-semetic, yet there isn’t an ounce of Shem in them…There are problems with in problems, and this is why Paul said that in Yeshua there is neither jew nor gentile. HE GOT IT! There was a reason that he called him self a pharasee of pharasees. It was not a badge of honor, but a humiliating admission. If anyone that is reading this will choose to read the Babylonian Talmud, know and understand, that these were in fact the oral traditions of the Pharasees in Israel at the time of Yeshua. It will bring you up to speed with what Paul studied, and what he took so much pride in. READ IT, and know that Paul, the one that so many love and call their hero of the faith, was a pharasee of pharasees and the Babylonian Talmud was the law he was refering to. One could only begin to imagine what that thorn in his flesh could have been after reading the Talmud. Pick a sin, any sin. The Talmud had a way around it so one could still sin and yet “be righteous” as though they had not broken the law. They became a law unto themselves and in essence became lawless. This is Israel now. Not all jews follow the Talmud, and many do not even know what is in it. So if a person starts quoting some of the horrific things written in it, they will say you are lying and call you an anti-semite jew hater.
    I will stop talking now…sorry for my long response.
    I will put the link in the next post.

  30. Eden Hadassah said

  31. Charles D. said

    Hi Fruitcake:

    Thats quite a bit to get my head around. To be sure, you were more level of detail oriented than the program I barely awake viewed a few weeks ago.

    Suffice it to say that their intent obviously, was to leave the viewer with a different point of view than you’ve left with me. Actually, I think the program was anti-Arafat more than anything else. That anything he touched turned into the most awful thing possible. I am grateful you provided this information and maybe we can discuss this further, and soon.

    I, (from where I sit and work), do not believe most informed American view Islam as THE major threat facing the U.S. There is a side of America that some tend to disregard; and I’m not talking about the “imma gonna sex you up, good old boys in the sdouth). Worse case, I seen lots of people both innocents and malcontents being very easily targeted by reason of biological visability.

    I was impressed by your knowledge of your family lineage, and your understanding of the underlying reasons things are as they are in parts of the world today. I was reeling after reading your comments and it gave me reason to re-assess some previously held views regarding many things, including Paul. I do believe however, that Paul’s prick was physical. I have a basis tatooed in my mind regarding that particular issue.

    I will be on sometime tomorrow and look forward to speaking with you more. There are issues that I am extremely sensitive about, however, I welcome equally sensitive questions from you. Have a good one.

  32. Gan Na'al said

    JEREMIAH 17-18

    Re the sin of Judah and Jerusalem—Jeremiah was told to take the pottery/bottle and BREAK IT. HE PROMISED TO BREAK THE PEOPLE AND THE CITY OF JERUSALEM AND IT CANNOT BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN!!!!

    10Then shalt thou break the bottle in the sight of the men that go with thee,

    11And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter’s vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury.

    STOP IDOLIZING THE CITY AND THE JEWS! There are some of Judah who will cleave unto His Word and will be part of the remnant. But there is only ONE DOOR, ONE NEW MAN, ONE STICK IN MESSIAH’S HAND, ONE BRIDE…


  33. Charles D. said

    Gan Na’al

    Your point is………………..? To Whom………..??????

  34. Gan Na'al said

    Hi Charles – to Tanya and whomever reads this in the future!

    Have enjoyed your posts and Eden’s!!

  35. Charles D. said

    Good Morning Gan Na’al

    Judging by where I was located when I was exposed to Hagee (only I didn’t have an option), I could listen to him and the Holy Spirit enabled me to differentiate between what was of God and what was Hagee. There was a commonality among his “followers” that to me stood out like a sore thumb. Also,judging by the list of luminaries that Tanya used to butteress Hagess crediability, not much has changed.

    The fact that she is willing to over-look the manner and nature og his divorce episode, speaks volumess about. Not the divorce part only, because one minister that I esteem (Charles Stanly) is divorced, however, totally different circumstances and isses were involved. Then, I don’t think it is right to try to scare people into heaven with doomsday foretelling. Other than the wrongness of it, God does not need theatrics.

    Welcome to the site, but, I warn you; you’re going to meet all kind here, but, thats a good thing. Some will validate beliefs, some are going to enlighten, and some are going to try and sneak in under false pretenses. When that happens, there are enough scripturally strong men and women here that will as the OT says: come in one way and leave seven ways.

    Look for ward to hearing more from you.

    Regarding my sisters in Christ Eden and Fran you will notice they are both steeped in biblical knowledge. Eden and I have had some “knock-down drag-outs before. Now, she has grown on me like a fungus and I can’t get rid of her; or let her go, depending on your point of view. I’m not gullible enough to think I won’t hear from her:0 and get my just desserts.

    In Christ,


  36. Eden Hadassah said

    I love Paul, I think his courage and life speaks volumes of the repentance that he did and the new life in Yeshua that he was so passionate about. Peter too. When the Talmud says that all non-jews or gentiles/goyim are animals, doesn’t it make sense and bring to life the vision that Peter had about the sheet and the “unclean” food coming down? And then our Lord saying “Peter, kill and eat”. Many have thought that the vision had to do with clean and unclean food, but it was the VISION of UNCLEAN ANIMALS that represented all gentiles. The Lord was telling him that gentiles are not “unclean animals.” This beautiful act of the Lord, served to knock judaics down a knotch
    and place them on equal footing with gentiles. In reading the Talmud, we can understand our Lord’s quick wit in stating that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharasees, you will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. When we read his “woes to the teachers of the law”, and take to heart all that Yeshua said to them, and then read the Talmud, we can see EXACTLY what he was talking about. When the “rich man” came and asked how he could have eternal life, and our Lord reiterated the commandments of God, the rich man proclaimed that he had been following them from his youth…but then, the Lord told him to sell everything and give it to the poor, and the man went away sorrowful. Why? The Talmud states that you can take ANYTHING from a gentile, and excuses usery, avoids jubilee for those in debt, and finds ways around the law concerning money. It is a topic much discussed in their “scriptures.” If the rich young man sold everything and gave it to the poor, he would be admitting he was in fact “unrighteous and a sinner.” It was repentance, and he was not willing to do that.
    What is going on in Palestine is the same sentiment played out with pictures and testimony to prove it. They are treated like animals, and are considered “gentiles.”
    Now, with that said, let me go back to what is going on in Israel right now. If anyone has a heart to help Israel, seek a good organization that consistantly gives almost all the money to the poor to feed and cloth them. More than 35% of the children living in Israel do not get to eat every day. I recommend finding a great organization to help feed them and help them pay their bills. The disparity between wealth and poverty is huge, with those who are “less favorable” being rejected for jobs. At the top of the list for discrimination, are Ethiopian jews who are assimilated into Israeli life, and are told that they must not only learn hebrew, but take upon themselves customs they had never known before. Ethiopian jews did not have the Talmud, and are discriminated against and made fun of because they know nothing of it. They are proficient in the true Torah and the whole hebrew bible…They are forced to study Talmud and learn corrupt ways, in order to be “accepted.” The children are taunted and many are told they are not religious enough. Because they are black, is are also controversy as to whether they are really jewish or not. Sephardics hold a simular fate, unless they adhere to the Talmud. A half Askenazi half Sephard may have a better shot at getting a job, especially if they “look full on Ashkenazi”, and will give preferencial treatment to a full Ashkenaz with no experience at all over that of a highly trained person of a different heritage. Ethiopians who come into the land, MUST serve in the army. This poses another problem for them emotionally. They came to Israel to escape persecution, (or what the rabbi’s say was persecution)and some are genuinely physically harmed, only to come into their new homeland, and get a gun put into their hand, and told to go and “cleanse” the camp. Then you have your ultra-orthodox and orthodox jews who do not work, but instead read and study the Talmud all day. They are the ones who most of the time recieve welfare. Their wives work, the husbands study. They do not care for their families, but instead “love the pulp.” The pulp as I call it, is the paper their scriptures are written on. It is the cut down tree stump, the wooden idol, on which they justify their whole existance. It is not upon the Lord of Hosts, but the words, precept and line that they worship. Even some of their children are picking through the garbage looking for food. There are the lost children too. These are the young men and women that live on the streets, disowned and rejected by their “religious” parents, because they refuse to live like their parents. They have been abandoned and live on the streets. These are the ones that get swept under the rug as well. Supporting the government there, supports this type of stuff, and prevents real change. Messianic jews do a great deal to help further this problem. Many of them too study the Talmud and kabbalah. But they are persecuted. If they are serverely persecuted, then they are doing what is right in following Yeshua. Of these beautiful ones, they deal with assalt and death threats on a daily basis.
    What it comes down to for me, is, if any are moved to help jewish people, and you feel it in your soul like an anchor, research where you can be a real blessing to them. Our taxes already supply more than $7,000,000.00 ever day of every year. More than $2.9 billion per year goes to Israel in both aid and military weaponry. Where is it?
    I find it amazing the mentality of “I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.” Not true, and the scripture has been changed! It is “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” Who? Abraham. The seed of Abraham, without restriction of a particular liniage. That means all of Abraham. This is the blessing. If people are willing to chant that, and take it upon themselves as a principle to live by, then, understand you are indanger of curses, every time a person who believes such things comes against ANY of the seed of Abraham. If you curse a muslim who is of the seed of Abraham, the curse upon your head also stands. Understand? These were not conditions for Isaac and Jacob only through Abraham. If we believe that the Lord will truly bless and curse those who “Bless or curse the seed” what shall be the outcome of those who would willingly turn a blind eye to Palestine? Of most of these, are the seed of Abraham. So are my people not calling down upon themselves curses for cursing them and treating them inhumanely? Hagee has perverted the word of God in his proclaimations. He believes that we owe something to the jewish people…WE DO NOT! We owe all to Yeshua the messiah, who he has clearly and without restraint said that Yeshua did not come to be the messiah to the jews but to the world. HUH? He has twisted scripture. He holds orthodox rabbi’s in high regard, and even teaches Talmudic principles in his sermons.
    Here is another link…

  37. Eden Hadassah said

    Chazman! 🙂
    You bless my soul!
    Thank you, much love and great respect do I have for you.
    As far as the knock-down drag out…that was fun! I know where you were coming from, and with time you would know that I love the Lord and all my brothers and sisters. At no time was I ever offended by your playfulness. We, I believe are cut from the same fabric. Fungus is another great attribute to give me…
    Aren’t antibiotic’s made from fungus? 😉

    your fruitcake

  38. Eden Hadassah said

    This is another excellent link to Talmud and Kabbalah information. In it, the author explains the misconception of jewish belief in “ONE” God, but in fact, they hold to many gods.
    This is Mystery Babylon, of which the Apostle John wrote about in Revelation. It is both the “Synagogue of Satan, and the root of the Whore of Babylon.” What are all commanded to do? “Come out of her.” It is Jezebel, and we are not to be joined with her or we too will share in judgement. If I wanted to curse my people or even my beautiful spiritual family in Yeshua our Messiah, I would simply say nothing.
    I have said this before…in the future, and not too distant, the wall that they keep building in Israel will actually protect those living on the outside. I pray for the repentance of Israel, before the peace of Jerusalem. May the scales drop from their eyes, may the veil be lifted and may their hearts be circumsied, as they gaze upon the Messiah! This is my hope and my prayer for these people. That goes for both sides of the wall! The Lord does not delight in destruction, but desires repentance and for them to seek after Him.

  39. Eden Hadassah said

    oops…forgot to put the link!

  40. Charles said

    Morning my dear. I have amillion questions for you and I will seem somewhat more scatterbrained than I do now because I will be jumping from topic to topic. s..not my fault you raise such meaty topics with unique prospectives.

    Gotta run to a meeting but I will be back on by lunch time.


    Have you heard of a Dr. Campy? Whats your take? 😦

  41. Eden Hadassah said

    Who is dr. campy?
    While I wait your response, I will google it to see what confusing things I might learn from the possible millions of entries under the name “dr. campy”…I could wait, but what’s the trick in that? I might learn something about wasting my time looking for something that may just be a knick name!

  42. Tanya said

    OK wasn’t oing to write anymore but can’t let this go, I think it is unbelievale that obviously you people don’t read your bibles. Thnk Yah that “certain” Jews (remember many believed and the first”christians” were Jews)but thank Yah that He did put the Spiritual blindness on them so that I as a Gentile could be grafted into the “Natural Olive Tree” Rom.ch9-11 explains it so clearly and more importantly another obvious thing is that remember CHrist came to DIE, NO one race or person for that matter killed HIM “No man takes MY life, I lay it down and I can/will pick it back up” Also obvious that you believe in replacement theology, that the church is Israel and you couldn’t be further from the truth, but again, this is not about being right w/ea other but being right w/God and that is what I choose, and lastly you are awefully judgemental you must be the only other one besides Jesus who hasn’t sinned or fallen short or have u got your own twist on that scripture too, better do a “little” more studying on Judah and what the final plans are, and also remember that Yah is SOVEREIGN, Israel has w/out a doubt sinned and judgement has taken place but if you think that ALL of the MIRACLES that have taken place there mean nothing then, GOD HELP YOU! If you don’t know about them and you DARE to seek some knowledge I can PROVE what I have been trying to inform you of. By the way I do not believe that all Jews are good nor do I believe any race is all good what I do believe and KNOW to be TRUE is that YAHWEH has a covenant w/Israel and the Jewish people that I have been privledged to have been adopted into as a Gentile and no matter what ANY man has to say or tries to do “what will be will be” and “There is nothing new under the sun” one last observation it is very obvious that no one writing on this site knows anything much about BIBLE PROPHECY because if you did you wouldnt be denying all that you are, sad but if it be so, I pray the blindness that was put on the Jews that is NOW (which we are in the fullness of the Gentiles)Rom9-11 just so you can’t say you weren’t aware, that that same blindness would be lifted from you all as it is w/the Jews, as we speak. There are well over 100,000 Jews who have accepted Yashua as Messiah since 1948. And hundreds are hearing and being born again daily,but don’t take my word for it check it out yourself. I’m so thankful Yahweh keeps His Word and will not break His Covenants because of what man says or does, you definately should be also, Shalom

  43. Charles said

    I got this station in Annapolis, an off-shoot of Family Radio, and it seems to be a large religous broadcasting outfit. Anyway, they introduced him as being an expert a “teacher,” in their call-in program. He spewed more false doctrine in 5 minutes than you could believe.

    His interpretation of some OT verses blew me away. They asked for mail-in donations but the donations were to be mailed to California. I just asked a collegue and he said they were huge.


  44. Charles said

    Tanya, First of all, thanks very much for coming back. I think God had lots to do with that, but thank you my dear sister in Christ, because you did come back and there are many, many people that disobey God irrespective of what they know is His way.

    Right off the bat I want to correct one big mistake you’ve made and if time allow, I will get to some of the small ones.
    You asked , no you made a statement “you people don’t read your bibles” One the one-hand you are right, I study my Bible, but then, I have to read it in order to study it. AND, to put it in the vernacular, someone in the world might say to you: I’ve forgotten more Bible than you’ve ever known,” but I will not say that for a number of reasons; including the fact you could retort “you must have forgotten all of it” so I will just leave it as: Yes, I read my Bible daily and cannot remember the last time I haven’t read it daily. More importantly, I understand and retain what I read.

    Regarding you and your Bible study habits; I could help but notice that you referenced Romans Chapters 9-11 twice. However, you did not reference which verse(s) supported your preceding comments. I say that only because you said in one place words to the effect that: God in your words “put” spiritual blindness on the Jews, so you as a gentile could be grafted into the “Natural Olive Tree” then at the next place you said that: “Yahweh has a covenant w/Israel and the Jewish people that I have been privileged to have been adopted into as a Gentile and no matter what ANY man has to say or tries to do “what will be will be” and “There is nothing new under the sun.” Those two comments alone allow me to peer into how much you know about what you think you have read. Do you understand that the Chosen People of God had rebelled against Him that the act of grafting Gentiles into the branch of the “Olive Tree” was to provoke them to jealousy? That is not to say that you and I are not to be happy beyond belief that He did. Thing is…..we are to be thankful to God and God alone and not worship His chosen.

    Then you threw in for good measure: “There is nothing new under the sun.” This is taken from the book of Ecclesiastes and having nothing at all to do with the present discussion. You further state that well over 100,000 Jews have accepted Yashua as Messiah since 1948. I believe the number is so much greater then that it shows you are quoting numbers someone repeated to you. There is no shame in you not knowing (which is apparent). You should however, frame your comments in the form of a question, then, someone more knowledgeable in the scripture than you or Hagee will help you both in a decent and orderly manner.

    The one thing you did not do is dispute what I said about Randy Travis, Newt Gringerich, and McCain. Tanya, this is not combat and we don’t have to be hostile towards one or each other. You obviously think highly of Hagee and I am not trying to get you to feel otherwise. You have labeled everyone here with a broad brush and that’s neither Christian by God’s standards, or, fair by man’s standards.

    I am sorry if I said anything that offended you, but, at the end of the day, John Hagee have in the past and still deceive people. Maybe you know something the other of us do not. Then share it and we will listen. Sometimes, its just when we have put our trust in man instead of God, the truth hurts sometimes.

    In Christ,


  45. Eden Hadassah said

    Hello Tanya…dear heart!
    I don’t often copy and paste other people’s words, but I would like to address all of your response. This I do in love, although, you may find what I have said in this thread harsh or wrong…bear with me for a while and go the extra mile with me ok?

    ” Thnk Yah that “certain” Jews (remember many believed and the first”christians” were Jews)but thank Yah that He did put the Spiritual blindness on them so that I as a Gentile could be grafted into the “Natural Olive Tree” ”

    Ok, first of all who do you really thank? God or the jews who where blinded? Please do not thank God for their spiritual blindness…He does not delight in his children turning away from him and rejecting him. All glory goes to Yeshua, who came to SHOW that gentiles are as worthy of life eternal as the “chosen”, which was always their “claim to fame.”

    “Rom.ch9-11 explains it so clearly and more importantly another obvious thing is that remember CHrist came to DIE, NO one race or person for that matter killed HIM “No man takes MY life, I lay it down and I can/will pick it back up” ”

    You are absolutely right about that. His love for the Father and for us was so great that he gave his life freely. But there is a naughing scripture that is forever quoted…”They will look upon the ONE whom THEY have PIERCED.” Now, yes he gave his life freely, but he also knew that they would deny ever taking part in the sin of ordering his death. They, with their hands did not physically kill him, but after much debate with the Romans, they demanded his death. He knew this. And if you would defend their position that they had nothing at all to do with “the act”, then you stand by their innocents and proclaim them righteous. Where they? Will you deny the prophecy that says “They will look upon the One they have peirced?” If you deny they peirced him, then the prophecy is false or not about our Messiah. Can you tell the truth about their actions? Didn’t Judas betray him? Judas was also a jew…right? By your account, even Judas is innocent of such things, because he didn’t nail him to the cross…did he? Can the truth be told that yes, they did order his death? If they didn’t…where did the thirty pieces of silver come from? If you say no, I think that you will actually have to go back and read the gospel account again.

    “Also obvious that you believe in replacement theology, that the church is Israel and you couldn’t be further from the truth, but again, this is not about being right w/ea other but being right w/God and that is what I choose, and lastly you are awefully judgemental you must be the only other one besides Jesus who hasn’t sinned or fallen short or have u got your own twist on that scripture too, better do a “little” more studying on Judah and what the final plans are, and also remember that Yah is SOVEREIGN,”

    I DO NOT BELIEVE IN REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY! Lets be very, very clear. I believe that there is a covenant with Israel, but it will always be on GOD’S TERMS, not theirs, nor the Churches. But while we are on the topic of replacement theology, let us reason with that thought for a moment…where do you think it came from? We have all heard of the churches claim that the church has become Israel…but why? Can I tell you that this very notion comes from jewish culture? It is originally jewish in nature. How else, could a gentile race of people replace the hebrew people? Do you understand yet? Most of the jews today are not jews by blood, but by religion…have they replaced also the hebrew peoples? This problem started some 1267 years ago. This was a mass conversion that spawned a whole race of “new jewish converts.” Have they also replaced the hebrew people of the bible? They are the ones that now claim the land. You do know that right? So if jewish converts from the time of 740 AD can claim that they are true Israel, why cant the church? They are gentiles the same as much of the church. THIS IS THE HEART OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. Yet you support it, and even praise it, although they too have no regard for the hebrew bible or for Yeshua the messiah. They collectively feel they are THE MESSIAH. It is in the Talmud. This is anti-christ at best. Strong words to be sure, but acurate.

    “Israel has w/out a doubt sinned and judgement has taken place but if you think that ALL of the MIRACLES that have taken place there mean nothing then, GOD HELP YOU”

    Which miracles? Lying signs and wonders? The “miraculous birth of Israel?” This was not a miracle…it was a very meticulously planned event that failed a few times in the past. The nation was NOT born in a day, but rather through a series of power plays, was userped from the Ottoman Empire about 100 years prior to 1948. It looked miraculous, but in truth, it was “slight of hand…smoke and mirrors.” To go one step further, I would like to tell you that all jews had a right to return to the land during the Ottoman Empire, and it was they not Europe who shielded and protected the jews during the different wars. All they needed to do was ask, and they DID return to the land. The only real mircle that is being played out is the fullfillment of Revelation. The prophet’s words are coming to fruition, but not in the way that everyone is percieving them. We can talk about that another time though.

    “If you don’t know about them and you DARE to seek some knowledge I can PROVE what I have been trying to inform you of. By the way I do not believe that all Jews are good nor do I believe any race is all good what I do believe and KNOW to be TRUE is that YAHWEH has a covenant w/Israel and the Jewish people that I have been privledged to have been adopted into as a Gentile and no matter what ANY man has to say or tries to do “what will be will be” and “There is nothing new under the sun” one last observation it is very obvious that no one writing on this site knows anything much about BIBLE PROPHECY because if you did you wouldnt be denying all that you are, sad but if it be so,”

    This privilage Tanya, is not a driver’s license. You have life everlasting, and that is the work of Yeshua your messiah. You have been brainwashed into believing you “owe” the jewish people something. You do not! I am a hebrew…a jew if you will, shall I demand something of you because I am “one of the chosen?” Shall I demand the respect from you that you demand that all christians give to jews? What is my “chosen” status worth apart from the Lord Jesus? If I went on your claims, you should be worshipping my existance right now! (Lord forbid it) I hear a judgemental tone in your words, and as a jew, what shall I say of this about you? Shall I hold it over your head, and say “you talk a good game but have no real regard for me?” Where is the respect you say is due me? Do you see the madness in such things? You owe me NOTHING! You are my beautiful sister in the Lord, saved and sanctified by the Lord most High! You are my family as well as my hebrew counterparts. There is NO distinction between us, and I do not require, deserve or even warrent any kind of preferencial treatment because I have hebrew blood running through my vains. But I will tell you again, as I have said in other posts, because of the covenant of blessings and curses, be careful who you bless and who you think is allowable to “curse.” We are to curse no one. Ever. Tell the truth, yes, but call down a curse…no.
    The covenant was made for ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY…PLEASE UNDERSTAND…IT WAS TO BRING SALVATION TO NOT ONLY THE JEWS BUT ALSO THE GENTILES. That is it. It has been fulfilled, Yeshua is the Messiah, he came and fulfilled the qualifications.
    Be rightly related to God, and consider those who are lost. Do not be rightly related to the lost, and then consider God a bargining chip, thinking that He has to “be faithful” to his covenant. He is faithful. You just don’t seem to understand the conditions of the covenant, and how it relates to my people.

  46. Charles D. said

    Okay Fruitcake,

    I owe you an apology. I had questions, I wanted to expound on something you said and I wanted to know more about it, then, funny thing happened to me on my way here, which was about 4 hours ago.

    I got jumped by three characters who seemingly spent the better part of the day building, no crafting, mormanistic platforms from which to launch tirades against the Trinity. I repent that I (against better judgement) allow myself to become waist deep in that dogma; when I time would have been better spent pursuing the discussion we started yesterday. I’m sorry.

    I will be in tomorrow and after sleeping a while I will be online. Have a good evening. Oh! And you did not tell me about the concert.

    Good Night


  47. Eden Hadassah said

    No appologies needed…
    I was watching the circus, and a few times I thought becoming an acrobat, but this time I decided to just watch. You did good!
    I was really tired…I should know better than to repond or even go online after 9:00 pm. I get up at 4:00 am every morning to have coffee with my husband before he heads out for the day, and if the baby wakes at that time also, I’m screwed! I usually go back to sleep after he leaves for another hour or so in those cases.
    The concert was ok. My daughter loves the cello, and she is great at it. She practices all afternoon, and my grand daughter is captivated by it. I would love to learn to play, but they just don’t seem to have many left handed cello’s laying around. We weren’t willing to spend thousand’s of dollars on one, so if the Lord wants to soothe the ache in my heart for that instrument, I am sure he will provide one for me. I played guitar for a while, but it was easier to get lefty guitar. My dad is a lefty, so he taught me on his guitar. I won’t make that mistake with my grand baby…she will get a righty cello, or guitar.
    Anyway, we get to the concert, and I notice that many of the other students DON’T ACTUALLY PLAY! It put a damper on the concert in terms of quality of music, and the fact that it is very hard to fake playing on a stringed instrument. It was a let down for my daughter as well. Some kids are really passionate about their music, and it is sad when they have to try to carry the ones that have no interest, and look like they don’t even want to be there. The people around me were distracted by my grand baby. They were cracking up the whole time watching her watching the concert. She didn’t make a peep, and most of the time I don’t think she even blinked. The concert was about an hour long, and I don’t think she even moved once. Bringing a six month old to a concert gets a lot of looks when a person shows up, and when I didn’t sit all the way in the back, as most polite people do that may bring a baby, the looks got a little ugly! So they were distracted anyway, just in a good way. Next year she will get an 1/8 th sized cello, and my daughter is so excited to teach her. I get a concert every day when she gets home from school, so I am blessed to have such beautiful live music in our home every day.
    MY SON…on the otherhand! Mr. “I want to play the saxophone”, couldn’t be bothered with playing! Problem with him is he is too good for his own good. He picked up that instrument for the first time and played the whole song…almost perfectly. His concert is coming up soon, and I will be looking forward to that one with great anticipation. I don’t get to hear him play because HE DOESN’T PRACTICE! I need to find him an instrument that is truly challenging, other wise he may take his gift for music for granted.
    All that to say, “The concert went ok.” Oh well.
    Hope I didn’t bore anyone with my personal delights.


  48. Charles said

    Hey! Bored? You wre talking to me! I am happy to hear about the concert and pleasantly surprised to learn that you are a lefty too. I will tell you about my trip later on.

    Let me know what you think about the sermons Job referred. I am still reeling from your earlier revelations, however, I have done a little research on both, Saphardi, and Ashkenazi, and plan to continue (okay I know I used the singular form of each, so don’t get on my case :). I am truly impressed by what I’ve read so far but my type research have to include more than just reading. Do you have any idea how traumatic it was for me to have gone through life with one idea/concept learning at a slow clip as life and interest allowed, then, have you drop this HUGE info bomb on me and wrecked my little isolated state of being? Some of the questions that I generated in my mind, I am reluctant to ask because I feel it is something everyone should have known.

    Have to warn you though, there are certain things that the Spirit placed in my heart long ago and that will remain. I think every one reading your comment, whether they admit it or not, have to have been enlightened to say the least. I am grateful to you for sharing, and in a most honest, open, and personal way.

    God Continue to Bless You and Yours,


  49. Eden Hadassah said

    We all learn something new every day. God has an amazing way of revealing things right in front of us at the right time. I can’t tell you how many times that has happened to me.
    When he shows me things right in front of me, I AM THE ONE WHO ENDS UP FEELING BARE! I sometimes run for cover, and in denial, will search the scriptures and sit with it for a while. It is unsettling, and then I relax and realize that He had allowed me to go through certain thought processes and beliefs so I could step back and view them from a different angle.
    Be blessed, and I welcome all your thoughts.

  50. Gan Na'al said


    I really think that it’s a rather grand indictment to say that no one here knows scripture and you alone possess the truth. You seem to base a lot of what you believe on what you’ve heard from the prophecy gurus.

    Ezekiel 37 began at the cross. He was creating ONE NEW MAN of the twain. Look again – he’s speaking of the stick of Ephraim and the stick of Judah. This has not fully occurred yet. You have to be careful of your definitions and terms. When it says Ephraim or House of Israel or House of Judah … each has specific meaning and cannot be overlooked.

  51. Gan Na'al said

    Tanya –

    Offhand, I can’t think of anything that I disagree with in Eden’s last post to you.

    I would also add that it is the Christians who have a love for the scriptures that are in large part actual descendants of the tribes of Israel (I don’t mean JEWS).

    The southern kingdom of Judah consisted of Benjamin, Levi and Judah.

    The north kingdom of Israel (they were the ones who had the birthright and were permitted to use THE NAME OF ISRAEL…not Judah!) The birthright and blessing of the patriarchs and forefathers was split by Jacob between EPHRAIM (called the firstborn) and Judah. Reuben was actually the firstborn and was disqualified because he defiled his father’s bed and uncovered his nakedness by having sex with his father’s other wife.

    Ephraim is the name of the northern 10 tribes kingdom that was carried away into captivity because of Jereboam’s bull worship AND their Ba’al worship. Judah never got into the bull worship only the Baals.

    The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are the Ephraimites that had been DIVORCED FROM YAHWEH and cut off. Yahshua spoke of them! They ended up in Russia, up into Scandinavia, northern Europe, the Iberian peninsula, the Mediterranean, Asia Minor, and the UK for starters. These were called Gentiles/goyim because they were cut off.

    The Christian nations contain a large population of descendants from Ephraim.

    I know that I am descended from the Lost Tribes. Probably all of us here are. That makes me/us LITERAL PHYSICAL DESCENDANTS OF JACOB/ISRAEL as well as spiritually adopted into the family of Yahweh in/through Messiah.

    There are literal promises that apply to all of us…who are literally and physically descended from Jacob. Genesis 49 is one place that speaks of what would befall us in the latter days. James 1:1 shows that the apostles and believers knew where the tribes were – scattered abroad and they wrote to them.

    To really get into this we need to be open and think outside the box of what we have been formerly handed by the Hagee’s, the Perry Stone’s, the Hal Lindsey’s, etc. It’s important to throw all of that aside and read scripture PLAINLY with an open mind to let the Set-Apart Spirit teach.

    Rebekah was given tow bracelets of 10 shekels of gold and was told that she would possess the gates of her enemies. When the TRUE descendants of the house of Judah (and his fellows) and the real descendants of the house of Israel/Ephraim come together, they will be one in Messiah and will be mighty over their enemies.

    They will be like a bow and arrow in His hand, Zechariah says!

  52. Eden Hadassah said

    I agree with you Gan,
    Tanya, my point in all of this is that there is something very dangerous going on in the last sixty years, and it is gaining momentum. There are people being arrested for saying that the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that they minimize the claims about the numbers of those jews who died…there are also people being publicly put to “shame” by the ADL for speaking the truth about judaic conduct, being called “anti-semetic.” There is a manipulation occuring concerning the media treating Israel like the victim, when in fact, Israel has been the aggressor and perpetrator since well before Palestine became “Israel” again. There is a deception taking place that is causing people who speak out against Zionism to be called “anti-semetic”, even though Zionism is a political movement and not even a religion or a person. There is a “star” being displayed that everyone is told is “the star of David” when it is in fact the star of molech, and it is also on our money here, some sheriff badges, and many other types of things that is supposed to symbolize “solidarity” or even recognition and honor to Israel. The base problem with this type of recognition is that our money, taxes and solidarity goes to baal and molech.
    I love them, but I don’t love them all the way to hell. There is a very old saying, “The path to hell is paved with good intentions,” and it is important to see that certain things actually end up doing more harm than good. We should always view the conflict from God’s point of view, and to do that, we can listen once again to the words of the prophets. When we want to understand what God’s rules are concerning HIS holy land, then we can rightly judge what we see going on. It should always be viewed from that lense…other wise we just end up mis-understanding.
    Because they want to view “their claims” to the land according to the covenant, then we also must view their claims to land according to the covenant. To proclaim the covenant to them…all of the covenant, in the end, puts us at serious risk of being called “anti-semetic!” Well, if that is the case…so be it, because they are God’s words of the covenant, not ours.
    When I speak of the conditions of the covenant, and they turn around and say “I hate the jews” or “I have turned my back on Israel”, they are not speaking against me, but actually against God, because He was the one who FIRST set the conditions of the covenant…it just reiterated it.
    I am not anti-Israel, anti-jew, anti-semetic or a “self-hating jew”…I am pro-God, pro-Holiness, pro-justice, pro-mercy, pro-forgiveness, pro-repentance, pro-Messiah.
    If you would like to read the blessings and the curses from the Lord for yourself, they can be found in Deuteronomy 29-30.
    I will quote just the end of Deuteronomy 30: 11-20, but I encourage you to read all of the first five books, and after that, all the rest of the bible again…(I do, and it’s good for us too. 🙂 )

    “Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get if and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
    See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I cammand you to day to love the Lord your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
    BUT if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will NOT live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
    This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

    Now I would like to go even one step further to show you something that Israel has done…
    the worship of baal and molech and for that matter any other “gods” are forbidden, and worshipping them is the quickest way towards distruction, correct?
    Well I would like you to research a few things for yourself…
    First, according to scriptures I posted, we know that the Lord is serious in keeping his covenant…both the blessings and the curses.
    I would like you to research the timelines of certain events leading up to Israel becoming a state.

    (Sorry, my grandbaby is crying right now, but I will finish what I was saying in a little while…)

  53. Eden Hadassah said

    Ok, I am back for a moment, but if you would like to click on the links you can read a variety of different views…
    Some of these links have been branded by the ADL as “anti-semetic” and some are even called “white supremists.” Whether they are or not, they give a very interesting perspective…
    I do go to some “anti” sites, because they find the things that many people would like to bury. That includes “revisionists.” One such person is Michael Hoffman II, who has done the research on many different races and religions of people. He isn’t a “white supremist”, (Last name is Jewish) and he is a believer. What he has done is to give us a lense from the Talmud. The ADL has viewed this lense as a “tool” to further anti-semitic anger…but it is the truth, and the outcry of anger is a definate reaction of any sane person.
    This next one is a timeline of Ariel Sharon:
    This one is a book by jewish historian Arthur Koestler about Khazar history and the mass conversion to judaism:
    This one is the “bulls of Tel Aviv”…to honor 70 years (at the time) of banking and stock market:
    This one is by a “white supremist” librarian who collected data on the world almanac that numbers the amount of jews pre-and-post WWI and WWII:
    This one is from “orthodox jews” against zionism…remember what I told you about TAlMUD being their TORAH! They call themselves “Torah Loving Jews…” That is to confuse, but this is their opinion:
    This one is the book by Martin Luther who understood full well the implications of judaic flesh:

    I will be on a little later…

  54. Gan Na'al said

    I agree with you, Eden, about the ‘clever’ ploy by the social-psychological engineers (propagandists) who have devised this anti-Semitic method of warding off any true criticism or blame. It’s just ‘so convenient’ and it’s working, too.

    If people reading this thread, including Tanya, would read books such as Dr. John Coleman’s “Committee of 300” it would show them the systematic and diligent efforts of these people who poll, gather statistics and monitor the people (sheeple) to guage how they think and what more garbage to feed them thru the media outlets. The media outlets being news, television, music, movies, and even religious movements and cults. How better to control the masses than to tell people what to believer in their faith and view/interpretation of ‘scripture’. This is done through thinktanks (like Tavistock), church plants, payoffs to churches and leaders, witches writing music for churches (ever notice how the Xian songs have become so wishy washy and generic?), news outlets, groups like B’nai Brit who monitor everything and scream “anti-Semitism!!!” everywhere.

    Technically anti-Semitism includes being against some Muslims who are Ishmaelites (not Hamites) and also descend from Shem (Shem-ites). The Jews refuse to acknowledge that one…

    So, Tanya, we are being intentionally moved toward vilifying any one that would hold accountable the people who say they are Jews and are not Judah, but are the synagogue of Satan. Jews should mean Judah, but culturally it has come to mean a group of people who likely have no blood of Judah in them or very little because they’ve been mixed with the Canaanite descendants of Amalek/Esau.

    The Hagee’s and the prophecy gurus will not touch this stuff. They will not teach the flock true discernment. Because they will be uncovered also as false and wicked shepherds. Jer. 50.

    Scripture says that the whole world is deceived by them…and it’s true! So if you’re in the mainstream in religious world, you are on the broad road that leads to destruction!

  55. Gan Na'al said

    Sorry for my typo’s etc. My keyboard is sticking and for some reason I’m also typing faster than the computer will go and I’m missing some of my errors. Hopefully, you get the gist w/o my sounding illiterate! Please excuse!

  56. Eden Hadassah said

    Gotcha Gan,
    No you don’t sound illiterate…
    I would like to add something to what you said however.
    While it is true that most jews do not come from Judah, it is also true that all who call on the name of the Lord, and will observe his Laws and statutes will be his people too. Now, whether many of them have done this remains to be seen, and only God knows their hearts. If they have called on him with a sincere heart for their conversion to judaism, they are His. Wouldn’t you agree? Now, if they have called on the god of the Talmud, that is a different story! There are jews, such as the Reform that do not study Talmud, but stick to the Hebrew bible. In this, I hope. But whether they have taken the Talmud god or the Hebrew God, I still consider all of them my people, until God sees fit to soften their hearts and reveal himself to them, or they remain stubborn and never turn. Either way, I pray for them. This is what makes the Lord’s covenant so serious. He longs for all to be saved, but not all will come to know Yeshua.

  57. Gan Na'al said

    I totally agree – even in the Torah there was provision for the foreigner/alien who chose to become part of Israel and obey the law. There was one law for both the alien and the home born. Esau could enter the congregation after two generations (of obedience) and even Canaanites after ten, I believe. I’m going by memory here. The point is that if we believe that Jewry is full of admixture, it’s really a moot point if someone chooses to enter into Yahweh’s covenant (contract).

    The only contract on the table today to ‘sign’ is the New Heart Covenant in the Blood of Yahshuah. The Tanakh (Old Testament) is clear that the old covenant was not obeyed, did not accomplish what was needed, and that He was going to make a new covenant that was not like the old covenant. He would do better things (better promises or provisions) in the new covenant – He would write the law on the tablet of the man’s heart. In other words – a circumsized heart that had the hardness of heart removed and the inner nature of the man’s spirit was borne from above. Now we who are in Messiah are prompted by His Spirit within us to naturally do what the Law requires…if we will set our minds upon what the Spirit desires and not upon the flesh.

    So, if any man be in Messiah he is a new creature and creation!

    We need to look at the fruit of those who say they are Judah, and examine whether they are of the good fig tree or the bad fig tree. However, we must reserve final judgment to Yahshua because we do not know what a man will eventually choose.

    Scripture also refers to ‘the inhabitants of Jerusalem’ in Zechariah, for example. There are inhabitants there that are Messianic Jews and also other Jews who have a heart for Torah. Hey, some are still in rabbinical Judaism and traditions of men…but so are Christians. We’re all getting cleaned up and made to be what we are to be…in Him.

    Yahshua said that He would divide the wheat from the tares and separate the sheep from the goats. Until then, the tares are to grow with the wheat. Until harvest time!

  58. Gan Na'al said

    Eden, I think that I read somewhere in this thread that you had posted an email address somewhere…I don’t want to publish mine here but if you have some way to keep in contact, I’d love to. Any ideas?

  59. Eden Hadassah said

    Hi Gan,
    I never left my email on the boards for the same reason.
    If Job would like to send you my email, that would be fine.
    Chazman too.

    Have a great day.
    Love Eden

  60. Charles D. said

    Hey dahling

    You always catch me when I’m either coming in the door or going out. This time I’m going out but I will look for your posts later this morning.

    Have a good one.


  61. Gan Na'al said

    Hi Eden – If you’re interested – a way you can contact me is thru my youtube account – it’s

    If you send me a private message there, I can share my private email with you. I would enjoy communicating with you from time to time.

    Or, if you have a myspace page, mine is

    Let me know it’s you if you contact me, ok?


  62. Eden Hadassah said

    I will check out your links right now…
    Thanks. 🙂

  63. Eden Hadassah said

    I looked at your myspace…very nice. 🙂
    I signed up, but I must admit I do not know anything about how myspace works. (I am probably the only one)
    Anyway, rather than spend too much time trying to figure it out, I created another email address you can contact me at, and from there I will give you my main one…

    Hope to hear from you soon.

  64. Hagee is an apostate Christian, a wolf in sheeps clothing, decieving and misleading. It makes me ill to hear him say that Christ didn’t claim to be the Messiah. That is not scriptural.

    Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

    He was born to be king, in his words.

    Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
    Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Many shall come in his name claiming to be christ, his words again. — from the Greek “christos,” meaning “anointed one” or “chosen one.” See also Messiah.

    Hagee makes me ill. He is misleading so many. But in the end this is what happens when christians don’t care enough to take out the bible and read things for themselves, and learn and be educated on the one thing that really matters in this life. The soul’s destiny is very important, and without Christ the end will be ugly for those who go astray.

    To all christians everywhere: Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

  65. I cannot believe the people who are actually falling for this video. It is completely fabricated… I have listened to not only Hagee, but many theologians throughout my 21 years of being born again… as well as the Holy Spirit while seeking Him. The enemy (satan) is simply trying to attack all of those who stand for the truth. I’m sorry, although I don’t agree with everything Hagee says, the Spirit confirms what Hagee is about, and he is on target for the most part in my opinion.

  66. Job said

    Kingdom Engineer:

    We were supposed to be at war with Iran by now – or actually by 2007 – according to the “prophet” Hagee, remember? The guy has made so many failed prophecies and switched his positions on so many issues so many times that his followers – meaning people like you – have no excuse.

  67. Kyle said

    In all fairness we were to attack Iran in 06 initially. However, it later came out that the State Dept. was instrumental in stopping GWB from doing it. GWB understands the implications of such a move. On one hand he claims that Iran can’t get a nuke. But in all reality he understands that an attack ion Iran would shut down the Straights of Hormuz effectively cutting off 40% of the worlds oil supply. This would make $4 a gallon gasoline, 5.5% unemployment, and 4.5% inflation seem like a boom period. The effects of such a decision world wide would be catastrophic. As for Hagee I have to get credit where credit is due. The information he received about this attack came from Israel. It is only logical that Israel and the US are constantly in communication and rightly at the time of the book the go ahead to strike was very close. This is not an example of failed prediction on Hagees part but rather the US and Israel pulling the plug on an attack within that time frame of 06.

    Please don’t think I’m a Hagee fan because I am not. I’m just stating the facts as to why the attack didn’t happen. That being said it was rumored that the recent Bilderberger meeting was centered around that very discussion.


  68. Again, I’m not a complete follower of Hagee… I do disagree with some of his interpretations and theology; nevertheless, for the most part he is pretty accurate… especially his view on Apostate Christianity, Catholicism, and the whore in the tribulation period that he referred to during the recent John McCain event.

    The one thing that I know for sure, regarding the topic of this post, the video posted here is fabricated. His mouth doesn’t even match the audio. You cannot believe everything your eyes and ears are attuned to. If you’re any type of born-again believer of Christ, the Holy Spirit will lead you to truth and assist in discerning what is truth, and this video certainly isn’t.

  69. Kyle said

    Kingdom Engineer,

    You said,”If you’re any type of born-again believer of Christ, the Holy Spirit will lead you to truth and assist in discerning what is truth, and this video certainly isn’t.”

    Well I hope the Holy Ghost informs you that the Catholic Church is NOT the Beast ,Whore, or Mystery Babylon. I can’t believe people still think the Catholic Church is the Whore.

    BTW I’m no lover of the Catholic faith but may I request that you look at your own country the next time your digging to see who the Harlot and Mystery Babylon is.


  70. Kyle… I pray that you’re not here to see it, but the Catholic church, on the other side of the Rapture, will indeed be lead the Apostate Christianity that is coming upon the world. We can already see how accepting Catholicism is being towards Islam; sad but true. Mary is the only common link between Islam and Catholicism and that is why they will join together soon and be accepting of not only the coming anti-christ (man of sin), but also of the False Prophet, whom I believe is the next Pope.

    And believe me… after the Rapture of the Bride, America will surely be brought to her knees and taken out of the picture. But America certainly isn’t the harlot. Most people claim that she is from Ish 13 & 14, Jer 50 & 51, and Rev 17 & 18; but if you study in more detail you will see that symbolically the Beast represents the world system, that will literally be based out of the rebuilt Babylon, and that the Harlot is symbolic to the religious system that will be in unison with the coming political system of the anti-christ.


  71. John Kaniecki said


    Hi hope you are well.

    Revelation 13:4 “…and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

    Clearly the beast will be a dominant milatary power. Or do you think I am mistaken?

    Look at the prooceeding verse Revelation 13:3 ” And I saw one of its heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered at the beast.”

    Let me speculate that a figure returning from the dead would seem to fufill those words. In todays world it would be Ronald Wilson Reagan. The whole world would certainly wonder at that.



  72. Hello John, in my opinion, yes, the anti-christ beast will be a military leader as well. I encourage you to read my post here. The Coming Biblical Anti-Christ! At this time it’s just a theory. And trust me, it’s not Ronald Reagan. God just doesn’t operate like that.

    Symbolically, the heads of the beast represent the past global government powers. (Egyptian, Assyria, Babalyon, Greece, Medo-Persia, Rome, and the one yet to come: either the E.U., New World Order, or a combination of both). Today we can see one leg of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream in place; the EU Western Leg; the Eastern leg of Turkey and other Muslim countries I believe is forming; but will be complete after the Rapture. The Iron mixed with clay in the statute in Daniel is a form of Monarchy (Iron) trying to mix with Democracy (Clay – able to be molded), that is partly why there is conflict in the Middle East…

    In my opinion, he will be ruling the final world government which will appear to collapse and die if you will, but then miraculously come back to life under his rule (leadership). Some scholars believe this is a literal, physical wound which I don’t believe. And frankly, prayerfully, we won’t be here to see it in the natural.

  73. Coram Deo said

    John Hagee has been an unbiblical bottom feeder for a long, long time. His hireling spinmeisters are usually clever enough not to publicize his most brazen heresies – they tend to save those for the glassy eyed sheeple lining the pews – yet every once in awhile something blasphemous leaks out and they’re forced to clean it up.

    John Hagee’s abominable Spiritual Freak Show is a theological train wreck, just like the man himself. There truly is nothing new under the sun.

  74. Kyle said


    I humbly disagree. Other scripture supports the idea that the USA is the Harlot that rides the beast. Once we are removed then the beast system can manifest itself fully. As long as the USA is in power we put our thumb in the eye of every nation on this planet. We will continue to be weakened further until we are defeated and kicked off the beast. Where we do agree is that the beast is the Revived Roman Empire. However, the Harlots descriptions are too expansive and powerful to represent anything other than the USA. In fact, by proxy we became the Mystery Babylon by our subsequent military victory in Iraq (Babylon) in 2003. We won and now lay claim to the victory AND the title Mystery Babylon. Mystery Babylon and the Harlot are synonymous with each other.


  75. Job said


    1. I honestly do not think that we have REALLY conquered Iraq/Babylon.

    2. The main reason why 1) is true is that Iran/Persia is not only still around but stronger than ever. And Iran is hardly finished. In a few years, all of their domestic power needs will be met by nuclear power and natural gas. That will allow them to export all of their crude oil. And where will they send it to? The new refinery that Syria is building with the help of the Russians! And it is only a matter of time before the Latin American oil countries start building their refineries too, and before either Chavez or the US is able to convince Mexico to accept outside investment to modernize their oil industry, which will allow them to tap their HUGE unexploited reserves and also increase output.

    3. You are working on the principle that we are extra extra close to the end. As badly as I wish to be in heaven right now, I have to disagree. Some dominos still have to fall.

    A. The US and the UN have been pushing Africa to create an African League similar to the EU for decades. In past decades, the main hindrance to the African League was the Soviet Union’s attempting to spread Soviet style communism in the region. Now the main barriers are mistrust of the west (for good reason), mistrust of each other (for good reason) and China’s meddling. Kofi Annan was appointed to run the UN precisely to try to get Africa to form the African League, and Bill Clinton tried to use the Rwanda/Zaire/Sudan/Libera etc. messes as justification for it, but many Africans never fully trusted Clinton, and Annan was viewed as a corrupt sellout. But now, a lot of African nations are terrified of Islamism, so they MIGHT listen to a proposal for an African League IF the right guy pitches it. Africans are sick of the UN, which has failed to do squat about their wars and poverty and in recent years has been trying to impose gay rights and abortion on them. But might they listen to Barack Hussein Obama Jr? Hmmm …

    B. Hugo Chavez wants to build a league of Latin American states. The problem is that he wants his league to COMPETE WITH the United States and the EU, not cooperate with them. The fellow is already trying to build a Latin American version of the IMF and the Federal Reserve. That guy is a real problem, especially if Mexico elects another socialist. Mexico has been led by centrists and conservatives of European lineage who support the North American Union because it would be superficially western and capitalist. But let a socialist of primarily native lineage take over Mexico, and he will follow Chavez. Of course, that is another area where a Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama Jr. would change the equation a little bit …

    C. As far as the Middle East goes, most of the Middle East states actually prefer integration. But which way? Some want to make a western – style EU. Turkey actually wants to JOIN the EU. Others want a pro – Arabic regime that will not be explicitly anti – western but will compete with the west, but that would exclude the nations in that region that are not Arab. Others still want a pro – Muslim regime that will also not be technically hostile to the west (but in practice would be more so than an Arab regime) but that creates a whole other batch of problems: not all of the regimes are technically Muslim, and then you have the Sunni versus Shi’ite issue, and then there would be the states that have oil versus those that do not. There really is no economic or political integration plan that could comprehensively cover all of the Middle East, north Africa, and parts of Asia at this time.

    D. Then there is greater Asia: India, China, Japan, Viet Nam, Korea, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia, Nepal, Burma, etc. Good luck integrating that area because of all the economic, political, ideological, religious, ethnic, racial, etc. diversity. In a lot of these places, they can’t even think about cooperating with anyone else because they have so much internal strife, and northern India is a prime example.

    E. Russia … the ultimate wildcard.

    So Kyle, if your idea of globalism is merely the west, meaning the old Roman Empire plus the U.S. and a few syncophants, then I would agree with you. But if globalism actually means the entire world, then we are a very long way off. The biggest issue is that there is no entity that can impose global order at this time. The U.S.’s wealth and power is declining. The UN is a joke. NATO is dead. The EU has no military and their economic might is overrated by the left. I just can’t see it happening anytime soon!

  76. Kyle said

    Let me clarify…………

    I do think we are close. I think we are engineering a scenario to weaken the US and the world in general. A global depression if you will. Once this is accomplished the powers that be will divide the globe into 10 economic regions. In other words a cataclysmic financial meltdown is what is needed to expedite this change rapidly. The US will be the one trying to dictate everything as we always do. However, the beast system has had enough of the US and it’s influence. And why not take us out now when we have been weakened so much. After we are gone the EU which is one of the 10 economic regions will be the “top dog” if you will amongst the beast system.

    Essentially I believe the elites are systematically destroying America so they can garner complete world dominion. In order for this to happen we must be removed seeing we are the thumb in everyone’s eye globally.


  77. John Kaniecki said


    Hi hope you are well.

    “Like a thief in the night” don’t get caught up to much in figuring it out.



  78. Kingdom Engineer, the assertion of a pre-tribulation (or mid-trib) rapture is a myth.

    But if you firmly believe pre or mid-trib rapture is somewhere in the Bible, please cite where you feel it is and we can discuss.

  79. Kyle said


    I addressed this with K.E. as well as him being a proponent of Perry Stones philosophies. K.E. seems like a saved individual who has studied things regarding the end times quite well. However, my problem with him seems to be the direction of the prosperity gospel, his end times philosophy, and Pentecostalism. We have been quite civil in our disagreements and I hope we will converse more.


  80. Job said

    John Kaniecki:

    Well, I was giving it some thought the other day. I kicking around the opinion that if the end is not as “near” as I previously thought, then perhaps I should spend less time studying things related to prophecy/eschatology and more time studying things related to evangelism and ministry.

  81. Job said


    I think we are engineering a scenario to weaken the US and the world in general. A global depression if you will. Once this is accomplished the powers that be will divide the globe into 10 economic regions.

    I feel the same way, and furthermore feel that using global warming as an excuse to have – and regulate – a world economy will play a huge part of it. It is the “I feel that we are close” part that I have problems with. Why?

    Once you leave the west and parts of Asia, everyone is already poor. How many people are on the globe? 6 billion? Of that 6 billion, 3 to 4 billion is already desperately poor to the point where merely living day to day is a struggle. And the people that live in these areas basically live the same way today as people did hundreds of years ago: practically cut off from the outside world in terms of communications and knowledge of anything related to politics or world events. In other words, the majority of the population of the globe would not be affected by a global economic collapse because they have no economy to collapse. If they were divided into 10 economic zones and regulated it would be vanity because they would not contribute to – or receive anything from – any economic zone. Maybe a tiny percentage of the population of some of these countries is sending raw materials to the global economic powers, but that is just about it. Put it this way: say the anti – Christ were to take power tomorrow, or anytime soon. For the majority of the population of the world, it would make NO DIFFERENCE in their daily lives: in their religious, economic, or cultural outlook. Even if he were to become leader of some consolidated UN/EU/NATO/OAS etc. billions of people would not know his name. Billions of people would not know what he looks like. And what is more: they would have no way to and no reason to. So if they do not and will not have any reason to know his name and image, how will the whole world follow and worship him as a literal interpretation of Revelation says will happen?

    I will grant you that things can change in a hurry, but the fact remains that things do have to change! Again, if it is your opinion that only the currently “civilized” parts of the world actually matter eschatologically – and many people actually do have that opinion by the way – then fine. But thumbing through some books and reading some websites by Christians heavily involved in overseas missionary ministries changed my eschatological outlook. For instance, it would take over 100 years for every known tribe/ethnic group to have a copy of the New Testament in their own language, and we are discovering new tribes all the time! So … how literal do you take that “first the gospel must go to every nation before the end will come” prophecy of Jesus Christ in Matthew 24? Maybe you have looked into this area already. If you have not, put your search engine to work on the term “10/40 window.”

    As a matter of fact, just click at the link at the bottom in red. That should give you an idea of how cut off from the rest of the world and its political, social, religious, economic systems that billions of people still are. If the rule of the anti – Christ is going to truly be worldwide as a literal reading of Revelation suggest, those billions are going to have to be brought into the global community first.
    10/40 Window Search

  82. John Kaniecki said


    Hi hope you are well.

    I firmly believe the ‘rapture’ will be the last event on Earth.

    Be blessed.



  83. Kyle said


    The bible says “the poor shall never cease from the land”. The idea of global parity or universal enlightenment on the issues of the day is mutually exclusive.

    I remember a post you had on your blog about people of third world countries eating dirt and vandalizing because of the sudden increase in food prices globally. So yes even they are effected by this.

    What the globalist want is power. They could care less about the third world countries coming on line and up to date on things. Heck! they could make Africa a economic region because of its vast diamond resources. Besides it’s not about “them” its about power. And how convenient but to have a leader of each economic zone reporting to THE leader (Antichrist). Again I don’t see the connection between being poor and separated and living in a third world country from the reason for the Antichrist not coming to power. If anything the plight of these people would be a great excuse for this globalism to “protect” them if you will.

    In closing as you can see I’m not looking at this from a Western viewpoint because I can see many scenarios as to how they could justify the beast system even if parity does not exist between each in particular region.


  84. Kyle said


    Click on this link.


  85. Job said


    Your point about Haitians eating dirt and food riots was a good one. I will concede you that.

    I was probably overlong and meandering in my comments as usual. But the crux of my comments were that because so much of the world is remote and cut off, I see no way for a huge chunk – into the billions – of the world’s population to be mindful of the antiChrist, let alone worship him.

    That said, the whole food riots and eating dirt thing … I guess that if this remote village was filled with starving people, and someone in a van bearing the antiChrist’s emblem on it were to drive up carrying bags of corn and rice … then yes I guess that would make what you are speaking of somewhat easier and quicker to pull off.

  86. Job said


    Just read your link. Stuff like that is why you need to get your blog going 🙂

  87. daphne Kenward said

    Hagee, and Parsley, they are speaking about a time, Christ said we must not worry about, because if those days were not cut short no flesh would be saved. Thats what it says in Matthew 24. Many people should read it.

    Christian Fundamentalist, is exactly the same as Muslim Fundamentalist.

    And it is strange the Bible also speaks of them too. In Mathew as well, many will come on the basis of my name.

    The Bible says also that no one know the time the day or the hour, that the system of things will come to a climax. Not even the angels in the heavens.
    For many will be mislead. I am afraid any Church you find dabbling in Politics, has a motive outside serving god.

    These men dont sell the Bible they sell books they have written. And they make millions per year, so there is your motive.

    The Catholic Church does the same and had enough money to influence even Hitler.

    Now what is surprising we have a Pope who was in the Hitler youth movement.

    We need to be very careful.

  88. James said

    Oh brother.

  89. Timothy said

    Christian fundamentalism isn’t the same as Muslim fundamentalist. Being a fundamentalism doesn’t mean to have a theocracy. It means to embrace the basis tenets of what Christianity is. It’s as simple as that. Haters of religion usually extend the definition of Christian fundamentalism to mean hatred of people personally or an advocate of an oppressive empire. Nothing can be further from the truth. James, don’t worry about some skeptics. Politics? The same people yelling about politics and religion, support the civil rights activists using politics and religion 24/7 to legitimately stop legal segregation in this country. Some of them are hypocrites.

  90. James said

    Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, the abolitionists and Christians throughout this country’s existence stood up in the public as well as in private participating in the governing process. They defied the status quo to prior to the civil war and the civil rights movement. Thanks to the Dr. Martin Luther King,Jr I can vote in an election with my peers. Why would this man dare leave his pulpit and prayer closet to push his values on this country? He not only did it but other pastors walked arm in arm with signs saying “I am a Man!!”
    When I step into the voting both I won’t forget Dr. King and I will also thank God that I live in a country where I can participate.
    As always I will support human rights for those not yet born.
    Now its ok when the religious left is active. Pastors and Deacons right now are also members of the NAACP registering people to vote. The news isn’t talking about the major push now from the NAACP as they would rather talk about ACORN.
    Those people who denounce political Christianity dare not speak about the many pastors pushing for Obama. The wink and nod is there. Those of us who value human life are compared to Hitler but that’s ok I do the same to the abortionists.

  91. Timothy said

    Ironically, Hitler and the Nazis supported abortion upon non-Aryan women.

  92. James said

    You find the most incredible material. John Hagee has just lost me with this. I really find this disappointing. I’ve bought stuff from Hagee’s ministry before but this book I would wrap fish in or line a bird cage.

    • Troy said

      There is only ONE book that we are to live by, and that is the bible ladies and gentlemen!
      It is the manual to life in itself, however, with that being said, we Christians must prepare for his coming.. For it is written.. Matt 24:27- For as the lighting flashes across the sky from east to west, so shall my coming be, when I, the Messiah, return. Luke 17:24- For when I return, you will know it beyond all doubt. It will be as evident as the lighting that flashes cross the skies.
      O’ just so you know, light travels well over 150 thousand times a second, not an hour, a second, and when we are caught up it is said to be in the twinkling on the eye as you all know I am so sure. Did you know that the twinkling of the eye is said to be that of 1/1000 of a second. That’s not even a blink, my goodness, that’s not even a half a blink! Good talking to ya, I enjoyed the conversation, although I felt I did all the talking~

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  94. Allen Payne said

    I could not get the clip by John Hagee to play. Could you send it to my email. thanks Allen

  95. Carl Jones said

    Greetings to my brothers and sisters in Christ, neither Jew or Gentile but one new man due to the atoning sacrifice of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus the Christ.


    Regarding Mr Hagee and not touching the Lord’s anointed. This way of thinking is nothing but the worship of man. the meaning of “anointed” comes from the Greek “christos,” all Christians are in Christ, all Christians are equally anointed, we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, He is the anointing, no Christian has more of the Holy Sprit than another, the Holy Spirit is not a quantity, He is God and God is not divided.
    There are no great men of God, only men who believe in a great God, it is God who works in you, it is not I, but Christ lives in me. I do not rob God of His glory and say it is due to my efforts that Christ is glorified, neither do I say it is due to another man’s efforts that God is glorified. It is Christ in us, reaching out to others. DO NOT ROB GOD OF HIS GLORY.
    Do not follow a man or a man’s teachings, follow Jesus.

    Blessing Israel to be blessed?
    Every Christian has been blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, – Ephesians 1:3. What did we do to merit such a blessing? Nothing, by accepting the free gift of salvation through Jesus the Christ, God blessed us with EVERY blessing. There is no blessing we have not received, God does not withold His blessing on us, only to be given if we bless the nation of Israel of today. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.”

    Do the Jews have to be gathered in the land for Jesus to return?
    Whatever happened to the completion of the Church? You can have every single Jew back in the land but unless the Church is complete, the bride ready for her groom, then they will just sit there, Jesus will not return for His bride until she is complete. After the bride is ready, He will have seven years to bring the Jews back. He never told us to return the Jews back to the land, so why do we think this is the task given to us, why do we spend so much effort, prayer and resources to achieve this? – Something He never asked us to do.
    Why do we not expend effort, prayer and resources taking the gospel to where Christ is not yet named? – Something He commanded us to do. “Lo, I am with you always” this He said after He told us to go into all the world, not just so He could be our companion as we go about doing our own thing chasing financial gain, honour and glory from man.

    To God be the glory.

  96. macthefloorguy said

    Hagee should have been sent to a mental institution long ago. He’s an absolute nutcase.

  97. The voice doesn’t match his mouth movement?

  98. OMG said

    OMG simple minds put to much thought into bull JH is coo and if he is not that not the side he displays what he shows is that he tries to speak god to people but its just like a simple mind to run off at the mouth on the internet about someone who not even doing the same to you bad mouthers out their to keep it real you are on here arguing about scripture and how great of a person u r in real life online but most of u probably have a bad relationship with your spouse, kids or parents or even urself fix ur on life b4 bad mouthing someone u dont really know and ps i pretty sure JH doesn’t care nor the people attending his church now or in the future care about u adults with simple minded internet opinions put down the technology and pick up some family time aka get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  99. OMG said

    omg omg omg please after this no one else should leave a comment please u all sound so stupid so very very stupid strangers fussing with strangers over another mans life who they don’t even know personally who most likely have poor relations with there family smh please no more comments change the subject off of JH and y his preaching Jesus is not preaching Jesus

  100. shante said

    how to pray for the congregation when I am called up to prey

  101. rob said

    why do so many lost sheep who think they arefound not read government code..ALL churches whose donations ARE tax deductible are STATE churches NOT chuches of Christ! 401c states that a organization(chruch) cannot defame any race. When did “Jesus the Jew” start? JEWS own all the tv stations, tv preachers started this. If you read a 1611 King James Bible the word JEW did NOT exist! Jew has 3 definitions: Of the tribe of Judah, of the land of Judeah, or of the religion of Judaism. No preacher ever mentions john 8:44 because this is where CHRIST straight oult calls jews the children of the Devil not af Abraham, becuase they are of the seed of satan..Gen 3:15 true Israelites have forgot who they are..and God did that for thier sin. First off, if jews we know were of the sacred lineage they would have heard his voice. Oh and bla blah “salviation if os the jews” well that used to read salvation is of the tribe of Judah, as Joseph was of that linieage which of course David was. 700 BC 16 million Israealites were captured and sent up north in Assyrian captivity and their land was given to evil child sacrificing,live child blood drinking Purim aposasizing freaks we know now as “jews” YEAH thats right..II KINGS 17:24..these same people oh wahhh poor persecuted folk were the same merchant group that d David was instructed to kill but dicided they woudnt be a problem so David lost 500,000 of his men for not obeying God. YES, we should of been rid of tis parasite LONG ago, but disobediance to God left us this perverse destroying ilk. Kicked out of nations 109 times for usury and child murder making thier matza balls. Then the bankers had us go to war because ONE naotein ONE leader in the 20th century kicked out the inernational bankers and a group of poeple who were destrying the morality of thier culture wiht homosexual theatre, , disgusting art and such..WELCOME th “nazi” Germany//oh you believe the six million hoax created to cover the fact that allies bombed all the trains that supplied food to labor camps. Ask yourself why the holy wars w conquered all the middle east but could not take Jerusalem? Because ISreal was not to RETURN to Jerusalem before they were clean of sin..YEP cant say the”chosne ones ” are yet they exist there. So time to reread your bible and realize whos who. The internation jew bankers were the first beast. Hitler was prphecised in Bible but NOT the bad guy..he was the one who gave the “wound which almost killed but healed” the beast. Germany and Japan both broke the yoke of the international bankers and thier countires prospered. If All countries followed by example we would have been well and the parasites would have to actually work..THAT CANT HAPPEN once again they got us into war..welcome to satans deception. The one country which stood up to evil and immorality is now cursed as the worse timein modern history

  102. William Carroll said

    YAHSHUA is the messiah !!!!!!

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