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Tonex Demonstrates That Those That Have Concerns About Him Are Justified

Posted by Job on July 12, 2007

Background: Now the first post on this weblog to generate any real controversy (or traffic for that matter) was Tonex Is Back: Is That A Good Thing? The hubbub caused me to reconsider, and I made a subsequent post that was more conciliatory. That post is now gone, and this one is in its place.

Original source link for this post: http://gospelmusicbites.com/2007/07/10/tonex-scandal-rebuttal-video/ Gospel Music Bytes’ Editorial: This is the video response from Tonex, to the accusations about Tonex being gay. We have been asking everyone to pray for Tonex. In this clip Tonex as for us not to pray for him, as he is totally ok. Tonex needs our prayers more then ever, as you will see in this video clip, Tonex is moving further and further away from the body of Christ. We must warn you that there is a little colourful language in this clip, so please beware. Please listen to it and let us at Gospel Music Bites know what you think. Please note video at bottom: when Tonex claimed that he was trying to “take that homophobic slur away from people, to take the power away from it”, well that is the mantra of the homosexual rights group “Queer Nation.” So, Tonex either knows that he is using the language of a homosexual rights group, or worse – he doesn’t know it.

And this is the video that caused people to falsely accuse him of being homosexual.

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12 Responses to “Tonex Demonstrates That Those That Have Concerns About Him Are Justified”

  1. james said

    the enemy is coming for our brother. See this is why I scolded you on your other Tonex post about name calling and inflamatory language. No one hears you when you start insulting people…educate and teach. He is obviously fed up with his detractors and is takin it hood…and moving further and further from God’s grace as he does it…and that’s what the enemy wants.

    He needs to be on everyone’s prayer list…

  2. James: First off, I never insulted Tonex. I only gave factual information on what Tonex did. Was I supposed to lie or withhold the truth? Second, so you are blaming Tonex’s critics for Tonex’s acting in this manner? That does not cut it. Why? Because the Bible says that trials, tribulations, and persecution will come. You are supposed to endure it and overcome it, not let it affect you! As for whether I was one of the ones that “pushed Tonex over the edge”, well Tonex released Oak Park 92105, the first gospel album in history with a “parental advisory explicit lyrics” because of the vulgar and profane language over a year before I even started this weblog, and Oak Park was available “underground” months – if not longer – before he officially released it! And when you consider that it was a double album … come on, the guy was obviously working on it for quite awhile. Out The Box came out in 2004 and was recorded in 2003! The guy has been going down this road for a long time … he was using those gnostic New Age “The Matrix” movie references way back when O2 came out in 2002, and please remember that O2’s release date was held up because of his lawsuit. Though God will punish those who lied on Tonex or even spoke the truth regarding him in malice or with the wrong spirit or motivation, Tonex’s critics are not the cause of his troubles . He is solely completely responsible, and unless he has totally deluded himself, he knows it.

  3. James said

    no no no…you miss my point…I didn’t say you insulted him…I said you used imflammatory language….and specifically this:

    “For the uninitiated, Tonex is a fellow that God blessed with genius – like musical talent and excellent preaching ability. Unfortunately, Tonex grew up in a “holiness or hell” Pentecostal church whose false doctrine came out of the modalist Oneness Pentecostal heresy. Now Tonex himself believes in Trinity, but he still preaches the circumcision (i.e. you must speak in tongues to be saved) and the other things that Trinity gives us freely through grace. As a result of this double – mindedness and the pressures of being a major gospel recording artist and producer, full time preacher, his father’s tragic and sudden death, the deaths of his brother and lots of his friends, and being married, the guy cracked up, totally lost it. I was once one of this guy’s biggest defenders, but even then noticed that he had real problems with pride and vanity, and wasn’t living by the messages that he was preaching and was in his songs. So now, the fellow is broke, divorced, quoting the gnostic/New Age abomination “The Matrix” as if it were the Bible, and kicked off his “comeback tour” in New Age marijuana addict Erykah Badu’s (another liberation theology gnostic who once claimed “Jesus is the coolest rebel I know”) sing song joint. Now a main source of Tonex’s rage was his totally mishandling the “business” side of his music. ”

    I really took issue with you saying he had a prideful spirit…I questioned how you knew this…and suggested that we pray for him. We should do more than worry for him…Irreguardless…again…I am not questioning the facts…I am taking issue with your tone…and that’s not a deal breaker…we are just disagreeing over methods.

    Seeing a Pastor drop n-bombs and cussing is very hard to take seeing. They are to be held to a higher standard and the fact that he is that furious at his detractors shows that he needs to have a long talk with God and a faith check. I’m sorry if I came off as blaming you or the media for his short comings. I was just directing that we pray for him because he is somewhere I don’t want to go. We are responsible for our own souls and he knows the word…he needs to look to the hills…in real way

  4. pookie said

    This is indeed very disheartening and I don’t think you are wrong for “naming names” so to speak.

    One thing that I wanted to add is that although I found Elder Lewis’ Truth behind hip-hop message and others on his website are valuable, I wonder why he has to use words like like faggot and then say that he speaks in love. Does he really? It seems like he indeed IS a homophobe, and the way he dogs people out is not becoming of a man who says Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior. Honestly, both of them need prayer, if the truth is not spoken in love, then the gospel of Jesus Christ is made ineffective- that goes for those outside and inside the body of Christ.

  5. pookie: Is this what you are talking about? http://www.dallasobserver.com/2005-12-08/news/hip-hop-s-public-enemy/ Yeah, you are right, Christians should not be using homophobic slurs. And I really do not agree with unconditionally denouncing Christian rap … I believe that rap is just a form of expression, and that you can communicate ideas with rap music that you cannot in any other artistic medium. Take, for instance, Tonex’s “Alive Part I and II” on Out The Box! I mean listen, first Christians were 100% converts from Judaism. They used to listen to Middle Eastern Arabic Jewish type of music. (It is actually quite good, the structure and tempo of that style of music is great.) That “traditional gospel” that we listen to sounds nothing like that, and it also sounds nothing like those choral hymns that they sing in the Presbyterian and other denominational churches. People really need to allow the Holy Spirit to work on them so that they can lose all of these cultural biases. My issue with Tonex is with WHAT he says (or raps or sings or preaches), not how he says, raps, sings, or preaches it.

  6. pookie said

    “My issue with Tonex is with WHAT he says (or raps or sings or preaches), not how he says, raps, sings, or preaches it.”

    Yes, I get that. I think that we have a responsibility to represent Christ in the earth. Sometimes we are the only Bible people read and the only Jesus people see, and that just INSIDE the Church-which has become so dopamine-driven, it’s ridiculous- but I digress. If we are going to criticize, name names, whatever- do it biblically…judge the fruit and explain using the Word why/how it goes against what God says.

    Thanks for the music analogy.

  7. James said

    ok…this dude is 100% trippin…

    He even uses eastern religion…”ying/yang” to describe him..

    Thank God verity dropped him..this brotha needs to step down from the pulpit….man..I can’t believe they let him keep speaking

  8. James: Yes, Tonex was making doing that eastern religion thing as far back as “Out Tha Box”, and even before then he was using terms from that gnostic/eastern religion “The Matrix” mess (did you hear about how the writer/director/producer of that movie Larry Wachowski had a sex change operation, and made the blatantly anti – Christian “V is for Vendetta”?). The media never tells us how anti – Christian and sinful these Hollywood people are. But Tonex knows it, because he makes records with these people and is into that scene … a lot of these top gospel artists are. Some of these folks have even worked with Michael Jackson, and plenty of them work with R. Kelly.

  9. James said

    just goes to show…. “talent” is not an annointing..hey…I am the last one to try to call someone out…but this is the closest thing to being reprobate I have ever seen. After answering a horrible question “what do you dislike about gospel music?” he responds that artists are fat and that it is all about how you look and we should look healthy….

    what? man o man…look how far this man is fallen..and let’s remember…he is pastor of a church. He also goes on to say that he is not a gospel artist….really? Oh ok…but right before you did this interview you led the crowd in a prayer and worship experience…see…here’s the problem…the devil knows the word too….I pray that anyone still listening to anything this man says is able to discern. There is no way someone can listen to this interview and not see he is way way gone in regards to his beliefs. Then the interviewer bails him out by using an old kirk franklin description of him from like 2003. I think Kirk…since he begged for Tonex to come back should address this on his blog…this is just really sad.

    Atleast ONE pastor has responded…

    http://www.virginiapreachers.com/tonex_breakdown_pastorclarencevideo.html

    the pastor here is trying to stop babes in christ from being miss-lead and people to realize that this is not of God…it’s all him..and he comes back with scripture…..this is the only rebut I can find…people need to wake up…

    Heal…you called this one perfectly…you got it all right and the lord definitely gave you discernment on this..bless you for this…I just hope people see it…

  10. anonymous said

    I hope he’s straight. God bless.

    http://www.aishamusic.com/un.htm

  11. Rob said

    I watched the FINALE of “SUNDAY BEST” on BET,hosted by Kirk Franklin and was so appalled, not surprised though, by this trend that Satan uses through musicians to imitate the world. These type of things have really slithered into the church, so subtlety, so sneaky the SNAKE, that lots of Christians and so called Christians are being deceived. SUNDAY BEST…”THE SPIRITUAL AMERICAN IDOL”. Sincere and talented performers (and that’s what I call them, despite the actions of unction, the tears of deep emotions, the phase of praise, the power of show). The music so moving as they pranced and danced and shouted and leaped. The movement into a spiritual, but not a godly realm, as the flesh is moved to feign and act. I find it quite interesting that God calls us to be soldiers (as one who march) and not dancers. Yet the type music you hear in church appeals to the flesh and makes us want to dance. Dancing is pretty much what us Blacks know and want and feel we need to be in touch and in tune with God. Simple as Christ say “God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.” Jhn 4:24 . Says nothing about the FLESH, yet we tie our worship experience to an outward expression of it (the FLESH}. WHAT AN ABOMINATION TO DO SO!!!

    Paul speaks so eloquently about song and singing in the Christian life when he said:
    – Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Eph 5:19
    – Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Col 3:16
    Hymns ARE SONGS FOR GOD as they HONOR and GLORIFY THE MAJESTIC GOD of the UNIVERSE.
    Spiritual songs are songs FOR THE BELIEVER, ENCOURAGING THE BELIEVER through CHRIST.

    So many of these “crossover” songs today appeal only to the FLESH, and touch not the Christian’s spirit, mind or will. These songs only give a momentarily” tingle of sensation” that a person can feel by the powerful influence these talented musicians bring and by the power of the crowd’s presence. SOUNDS LIKE ALTERED STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS to me.

    There is a difference YALL between Godly Songs and Songs inspired by Satan. O How WE NEED to LIVE OUR CHRISTIAN LIFE THE CHRISTIAN WAY, AVOID OF ALL SATANIC INFLUENCES. We are called to be SEPARATED, HOLY, and PURE. To bring such POISON into the House of God in an ATROCITY.

    These worldly songs (under the label of gospel and praise and worship music) with the “JAZZ” flavor (o by the way…did you know that the term “jazz” means “sex”?…It’s no wonder that this type music is embedded in the sleazy French Quarters in New Orleans), the “RHYTHM AND BLUES” flavor (“BLUES” we know what this type genre represents…The depressed life of one’s experiences…NO PLACE FOR THIS IDEA in MUSIC for CHRISTIAN LIVING as WE HAVE A HOPE, A JOY and GLADNESS because of WHAT OUR LORD has SUFFERED for US!!! – This music introduced by the EVIL and I mean EVIL “THOMAS DORSEY”, a little bit about this man –

    On some occasions, Dorsey “was thrown out of some of the best churches” when he performed his sacred blues. (We’ll Understand it Better By and By-Pioneering African American Gospel Composers, edited by Bernice Johnson Reagon, p.179)
    Dorsey was a well-known blues player of his day. Dorsey (aka Georgia Tom) teaming with Tampa Red was especially known for his openly sexual and vulgar lyrics. One of Dorsey’s famous songs was “It’s Tight Like That”.

    “The two became so notorious for their cunningly erotic blues they coined a word for the style (hokum) and went on to name their duo after it, the Famous Hokum Boys. By 1932, they would make over sixty recordings of Dorsey’s songs, ..” (We’ll Understand it Better By and By-Pioneering African American Gospel Composers, edited by Bernice Johnson Reagon, p.180)

    He [Dorsey] teamed up with guitarist Hudson Whittaker (known as Tampa Red, for his Florida origins) and the new duo proceeded to scandalize the churches with their 1928 recording of the highly erotic It’s Tight Like That, released by Vocation. . . It also earned for him the opprobrium of the churches and, even now, as Dorsey comes to be revered in black church history almost as a saint, this episode in his life is rarely mentioned” (Black Gospel, An Illustrated History of the Gospel Sound, Vic Broughton, p.40)

    After the late 1920’s, Dorsey did not record any secular-sexual-blues, utilizing his time for his “sacred blues”. It’s worth noting, according to sources, Dorsey never “repented” nor rejected his earlier sexually-explicit blues: (much as the modern day CCM crowd)

    “. . .Dorsey is thoroughly unrepentant of his early career. . .” (Black Gospel, An Illustrated History of the Gospel Sound, Vic Broughton, p.39)

    At the age of eighty-five, old Thomas looks back with evident fondness to his days with Ma Rainey and her Wildcat Band. . . As Georgia Tom, he composed many of Ma Rainey’s hits, giving them a kind of sleazy magic that is difficult to equate with Dorsey’s later career as a gospel write. He chuckles over the contradictions and, with only the merest hint of embarrassment, describes the songs as ‘. . . deep moanin’, low-down blues, that’s all I could say!’ (Black Gospel, An Illustrated History of the Gospel Sound, Vic Broughton, p.39)

    He was appointed choir director at the Pilgrim Baptist Church in Chicago, a life-long job, but stayed loyal to his former blues acolytes, since unlike many religious people, he never rejected the secular music. (MusicHound Blues, The Essential Album Guide).

    …And all those who look up to this guy as a mentor and pioneer, as the Hawkins, Kirk Franklin, Yolanda Adams, Bobby Jones, Donnie McKirlin, Shirley Ceasar etc…These people are no better that Juanita Bynum, TD Jakes, Hilliard, Copeland and Hinn. Their doctrine are no different and they are “greasing their fat pockets” as well. Yet they are hardly rebuked for their worldly appearances, their adultery, their despicable display of phoniness…WHY?…Because like the false prophets, they display an anointing like priests to usher God’s people into worship. THESE ARE DEMON INSPIRED TALENTED INDIVIDUALS, no better than the likes of the evil ones who spew false doctrines to the pew folks. SUCH SUBLETY SATAN uses. “Study YALL to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
    2Ti 2:15.

    THEN WE GOT “HOLY HIP HOP”….COME ON, YALL TELL ME…WHAT IS HOLY ABOUT HIP HOP???? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

    True Discernment into the evil of the movement was described by Alan Morrison
    “Exposing The New Style Of Worship – The Great Hymn Controversy”.
    This article is no longer on the web, but I have a softcopy of the article and will email it to anyone who wants to read it. I ADMONISH ALL (musicians, pastors, deacons, children, EVERYBODY TO READ THIS!!!)

    If not, check out the following:
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/CCM/balaam.htm
    http://www.gospelcenterchurch.org/Guidelinesformusic.html
    http://www.northmont.org/Studies/Html%20Files/MUSIC%20AND%20THE%20BIBLE.mht

    O…I know I’ve said a lot…but my original intent was to talk about “TONEX’s presence in the audience on Kirk Franklin’s SUNDAY BEST. I never heard of this guy until this post (guess I’m telling my age here). His look…emulated so much the WORLD…the hair, the outfit…then to listen to his clip… the foul and filthy language that comes out of his mouth…CARNEL, FLESH and this as a MINISTER of SOME MUSIC.

    Remember Exodus 32:18 – “And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.”

    Moses knew that the music he heard was not a type Godly music – sacred as the priests were to lead the people into true worship as Moses returned from his Visit with the Almighty God – but a worldly music that couple perfectly with their occasion….IDOL WORSHIP!!!!!

  12. Rob said

    Here is a portion of Alan Morison’s Article ““Exposing The New Style Of Worship – The Great Hymn Controversy”

    1. The Substitution of the Old Testament Temple Model of Worship for that of the Synagogue

    One of the main reasons that so much confusion has entered the evangelical scene today is that a great deal of what calls itself “worship” is being modelled on an Old Testament temple model, which is entirely inappropriate for a New Covenant church. It is patently obvious to serious history students that the synagogue superseded the temple as the appropriate model for imitation in Christian worship (as was graphically demonstrated by the divinely-appointed destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D.70). As one liturgical historian states:
    “As to the influence of the Synagogue on the Church, there can be no doubt that the earliest Christian meetings and meeting-places were modeled on the pattern of the synagogues”.

    And as Ralph P. Martin states: “The influence of the synagogue on Christian worship was more permanent and deep [than that of the Temple]”. It was the synagogues that remained after AD.70, NOT the Temple! The original purpose of the synagogue was primarily for Scripture-reading and exposition of the passages read (Lk.4:16-22; Mt.13:54; Mk.1:21-22; Jn.6:59). There was also prayer (Mt.6:5) and, although there is no specific mention in the literature of singing in the synagogue, it is considered most likely “that those parts of the Liturgy which were connected with Temple worship, like the recitation of psalms…were sung”.

    So long as one’s idea of worship is rooted in the Temple concept, one will crave “celebrations” and big displays. The charismatic style of worship naturally arises out of this false concept of the O.T. Temple.

    However, the chief element in synagogue worship — its central factor — was not ceremonial or display but something which was of vital importance to the shaping of the subsequent life of the local churches upon which the synagogue was so influential.
    That element was the reading and exposition of Scripture. Worship in the Early Church involved “Word-of-God” services. Ralph Martin very appropriately called the reading and exposition of Scripture “the centre of gravity of the synagogue’s service, with the blessings and prayers gathered around it”. How strange, then, to find charismatic songwriter Dave Fellingham stating: “A major influence on the early church was the music of the Jewish temple”. But where on earth does he get this from? And he goes on to say:

    “It is possible that the Levites, who were appointed to serve in the Temple twice a year for one week, brought the influence of Temple worship back with them into the local synagogue”.
    Again, this is pure supposition to support a tendentious concept. It is easy to say “It is possible…”. But to build a whole approach to hymnody and worship on such a supposition is questionable, to say the least.

    Therefore, in view of the fact that “the earliest Christian meetings… were modeled on the pattern of the synagogues”, this surely gives us a major clue as to what should be central in our meetings today.

    Although it is true to say that the Triune God is the personal object of all our worship, it is the reading and exposition of the written Word of God which should provide the foundation for the structure of that worship. Surely if churches had not moved away from the consolidating and unifying factor of the public reading and exposition of the written Word of God as the very heart and soul of its worship, how much division, heartache and mayhem might have been averted.

    The starting point for the N.T. church from the beginning was not the Temple, with its ceremonial and ritual activity, but the synagogue with its publicly read and preached Word of God. This is why the Apostles went first to the synagogues. As Peter put it:
    “For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath”. (Acts 15:17)

    The Early Church found its pinnacle of worship in the simple reading and exposition of the Word in the synagogue, not in the elaborate spectacle of the Temple. For this reason, the 16th century European Reformation involved a return to that Early Church synagogue-based model away from the syncretic Temple model perpetuated in the Roman Catholic sect for the previous thousand years.

    During the past half-century we have seen a complete undoing of the simple synagogue-based style of worship which was reaffirmed in the Reformation, as so many churches have opted for a lavish entertainment type of approach to worship which is based more on an imaginary view of the Temple of the Old Testament rather than how it really was. The effect of all this has been disastrous, paving the way for even more foolish delusions

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