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Sex Sells, Especially In The Church: Paula White Making Merchandise Of Her Body

Posted by Job on May 29, 2007

I must ask: have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If not, follow this link The Three Step Salvation Plan

Update: see Paula White Claims That Jesus Christ Died In Vain!

Update: See these new links Sex Sells Especially In The Church: About Paula White From Her Myspace Page and Sex Sells, Especially In The Church: Tyra Banks On Paula White’s Myspace Page: “Do Guys Really Like Promiscuous Girls?”

Click here to see other entries in this series motivated by this post (https://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/04/14/women-preachers-again-mary-mary-versus-paula-white-medina-pullings-joyce-meyer-juanita-bynum-etc/) where I first noted that certain “ministries” were exploiting the physical attractiveness of their “first ladies” for money (and no doubt many pastors choosing their “first ladies” just for that reason) and then soon after finding out a bunch of filth that made me realize that things are actually worse than I thought. I mentioned White in the first post, but the subsequent ones were more about Rick Warren and Juanita Bryant/Thomas Weeks. But this post brings it back to Paula, and how she is brazenly making merchandise off her image, her physical appearance. As stated earlier, not only is her face plastered all over her homepage that does not even mention Jesus Christ, but there is thin blond Paula promoting an EXERCISE VIDEO AND BOOK “The Ten Commandments Of Health and Wellness.” Target audience A? Women who want to look like Paula so that they can get a man (or please the one that they have) and boost their self – esteems. Target audience B? Men who want to LOOK AT PAULA. Trust me, Paula and Randy do not care; they will extort money from either. Now this is nothing against Christians whose ministry include getting people to exercise, such as Donna Richardson, Billy Blanks, and Chuck Norris, or that in the course of doing so, they are required to wear the attire and do the exercises that their professions require. No, this is all about “Paula, Inc.” and selling herself as the product instead of Jesus Christ, and that includes her looks and glamor. The “prosperity doctrine” isn’t about God conforming you to the image of Jesus Christ in the way that God wants to do it, but YOU wanting to be healthy, wealthy, successful, and (in the case of women who want to be like Paula and the men who want to look at women like Paula) model thin. Now, if Paula White did not look the way that she did, there is NO WAY that she would be promoting an exercise video. First of all, there is NO WAY that Randy White would have married her to use her looks to build his “church.” Futher still, no one buy it, but it wouldn’t fit in her “prosperity” message: why buy an exercise tape from someone who has not been able to use the “prosperity/Word of Faith” doctrine to make God use His Power to make her thin?

Now what is really sad is that this sort of hero image idol worship has been going on in the secular arena for who knows how long. And you know that the vast majority of these teenage and pre – teen girls and boys who go out and buy these magazines, DVDs, and CDs produced by female celebrities based on their looks know that A) they are never going to look like that, B) they are never going to date or marry people who look like that and C) even if they did, it wouldn’t solve their problems or make them happy. They also know that these images are false anyway: the product of lighting, makeup, specially tailored outfits, plastic surgery, and even “photo illustrations” (tricks like the notorious TV Guide cover where they superimposed Oprah Winfrey’s head on another actresses’ body. And it appears that the Whites know all about false deceptive body images: according to this link, they have both had plastic surgery to appear younger. The doctor was probably recommended to them by their friend Joe Redner, area strip club owner who spoke at their church and they endorsed for a local election. So, they can be bought and sold by porn kings just like Rick Warren). So why do teenagers – and a growing number of adults – immerse themselves in what they KNOW is fantasy? As an opiate. If you are a teenager (or a maladjusted adult) you have difficulty coping with reality because you are not equipped to; the pain and the uncertainty are too much to bear. So you retreat into this little fantasy life where everything goes as you think it should.

And this is the problem with what Paula White, Medina Pullings, Jamal Harrison – Bryant, and all of these “look at me, I’m so glamorous” celebrity preachers who to so many Christians are just another Britney Spears, Tyra Banks, or Brad Pitt in their lives. Christians are not supposed to be selling THEMSELVES as escapist fantasy images to people who cannot cope with and have no solutions in their lives. They are not supposed to be selling THEMSELVES even to highly motived successful people as role models. They are supposed to be showing JESUS CHRIST to these people, and telling them how JESUS CHRIST is the way. JESUS CHRIST is the answer. The HOLY SPIRIT is their comforter that helps them cope through this life. The RETURN OF JESUS CHRIST is what we should be comforting one another with, whether it is an overweight socially awkward teenager with mediocre grades, a single mother facing financial problems, or a man who cannot find a decent job because he has a drug conviction on his record. We should be telling people that our hope is not in this world but in the world to come, but while we are in this world we must contend earnestly for the faith, be about our Father’s business, and know that God the Father is our Social Security, God the Son is our MediCare, and God the Holy Spirit is our 401(k) plan. This is not to say that you should not work hard and save and invest your money wisely, get increase, and enjoy the fruits of your labor: the Proverbs are filled with principles on that. But if Randy White and these other “head pastors” believed Proverbs 31 on the value of a virtuous wife, they wouldn’t be flaunting their wives in the pulpit and on TV as their “moneymakers.” Yes, I used a term from prostitution to describe it, because that is EXACTLY what it is.

And that is the point that I am trying to make here: Randy and Paula don’t care about each other, they don’t care about God, and they don’t care about YOU. It is all about MONEY and POWER. The pulpit allows people who aren’t so bright, aren’t so motivated, and AREN’T SO HONEST to gain for themselves far more money and power than they could get in any other profession, tax free and without any oversight or accountability.

By following preachers whose message is THEMSELVES, how different are we from the world? And that is the worst part: we aren’t, and the world knows it. Again, people, like they don’t have TBN, Daystar, or what have you. They hear the same pop psychology and dime store philosophy and see the same manipulative tricks on Christian TV that they see on informercials, except the informercial people are better at it! So if we aren’t showing them something different, something BETTER, SOMETHING REAL, then why SHOULD they be converted by it? Now I am aware of all of the testimonies of people who have given their lives to Christ thanks to Christian television. As a matter of fact, I am one of them – in a manner of speaking – and you can see my own testimony by clicking here for anyone who wants to read it and see how messed up I was (and why I so suppose other people being messed up). But the fact does remain is that 99% of the people who watch Christian TV are already Christian!

So it must be asked: why do we watch people like this? Why do we attend their churches? Why do we go for the fantasy when the world offers the same? I have to be honest: it really does appear to be because a great many of us have a cultural or traditional need or expectation to be a Christian of some fashion. If we are not a member of a church somewhere, or we are not involved in some pious activity from time to time, we feel guilty. And if our lives are not turning out the way that we think that it should, we say to ourselves “Well, I need to get back to church and get God back into my life because I am being punished; I am not under the covering of The Blood; I have lost direction.” Some of us need the socialization, some of us need the affirmation and comfort, some of us need to be led or to be a member of a group and the activities, and church provides this for us. And you know what? That is fine. It is your life and your money, and in that context, there is no difference between spending it following a preacher who has built his or her entire ministry on image and personality and doing the same for a rock star or political figure. I am not going to claim that it is better to follow TD Jakes or Rick Warren than George Bush or Oprah Winfrey or U2, just not any worse. IN THIS LIFE, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. (Look, I know that it is possible to go to a Rick Warren or TD Jakes event, hear and believe the gospel, and be saved. If that happened for you, then all of heaven rejoiced, and there is nothing that I or anyone else in heaven or in, above, or below the earth can say against it or do about it. I am talking about who – and what – you follow AFTER YOU GET SAVED.) But there is one little thing: judgment day. The next life. THAT is when you find out FOR REAL that there is NO DIFFERENCE between following a secular leader and a false preacher, and when you will wish – from then to eternity – that you had allowed a real preacher to show you how to follow Jesus Christ instead of the preacher’s image and personality. And do not think that I am just picking on the TV preachers because they are successful. You have plenty of preachers who like to be the big fish in their small (or medium – sized) ponds as well. Well, these preachers use the same tactics because they are dealing with the same spirits. I am willing to propose that people who follow the ministries of these internationally known preachers have similar pastors in their “home churches.” They go to their “little Benny Hinn” church on Sunday and Wednesday night, and then run home to catch the “big Benny Hinn” on TBN, The Word Network, Daystar, and what have you. And you know what? I WOULD be perfectly OK with this but for the one simple fact that there is a God in Heaven that is watching you and will hold you account one day.

Father God in the Name of Jesus Christ, please raise up your mighty hand against all those who are perverting the gospel for gain and with false doctrines. May those who do so out of ignorance, please show them the error of their ways, and those who deceive on purpose please pull Your people away from them. We know, Father, that Your Will must be done, that all things must be fulfilled, and people have to decide which they love foremost, You or themselves. I am merely asking, Father, that the eyes of the deceived be opened and that they choose to seek after and fight for Your righteousness. Amen.

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84 Responses to “Sex Sells, Especially In The Church: Paula White Making Merchandise Of Her Body”

  1. <strong>Lust Pot Juanita Bynum to Tell of Her Plastic Surgery</strong>
    I will continue to tell you, that so-called prophetess Juanita Bynum and so-called bishop Thomas Weeks are The 2 Most Disgusting and Lust Filled People in the False Gospel Prosperity Movement. And while a YouTube user who was exposing their mess via …

  2. Independent Conservative:
    You know, Soldier Servant had a post on his weblog http://soldierservant.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/do-you-go-to-church-if-so-why/ that talked about how only 3% of professed Christian parents had working towards the salvation of their children as a major priority in their lives, which I used to make my own post here. 39%, meanwhile, had their children getting a good education as a major priority!So, I really am strongly considering shifting my emphasis from exposing false and corrupt preachers (except for egregious cases like this https://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/pastor-gregory-michael-butler-of-emmanuel-apostolic-church-convicted-of-rape-but-church-still-supports-him/) to evangelism, because that Barna study cited by Soldier Servant shows that the vast majority of these people in these dead and false churches are right where they want to be and do not want to change. Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. Luke 9:60

  3. Yes I wanted to be there once myself. But others showing me the truth helped.

    Many we reach out to who are unbelievers base their view of the faith on those who practice false doctrine. I’ve found, when exposing the false, it’s best to provide the scriptural foundation for what is true and correct.

    Go as the Lord leads you brother. Just don’t keep the truth to yourself 😉 . We don’t need any digital monks 😀 .

  4. IndependentConservative:

    Oh yeah, you are right about that! I have been reading this book on Mormonism lately, and what really shocks me is how much of their teachings has been infecting Christian churches, like this notion that Jesus Christ was perfected when He was baptized and other nonsense. Mormonism isn’t even a religion from what I have read, because their deity isn’t a god, more like a Superman, or what some science fiction writers have claimed what man would “evolve” into in about a 100 million or a billion years. Which makes the fact that their teachings are getting into a lot of these churches even more scary.

  5. And they are polytheist.

    It’s sci-fi alright, because they’ve got a different “god” for various planets.

  6. Lalle said

    sad

  7. Ruck Fogers said

    But… Paula is one beautiful creature.

  8. Diane said

    Healtheland, the sensuality in Christians in this nation is astounding. When I have asked Christians to examine this the response is intense anger or sarcasm. Holiness before our Heavenly Father is fruit that people claiming to follow Jesus believe our Father doesn’t require.

    The unbelief of the keeping power of God, the power of godliness, is a grief to Christ.

    This unbelief is strong in all denominations baptist, reformed, pentacostal, wof, charismatics etc.

    I believe some of these people are truly born again, but they have sat under antinomian teaching about the grace of God. With love, truth, patience, prayer, and faithfulness to God, some will see and turn.

    Thanks for speaking out about the sexual seduction happening.

    In Christ.

  9. Diane: Thank you for your encouraging word. The amazing thing is that charismatic denominations used to be known by their piety. Now they are increasingly known for their carnality.

  10. prianka said

    Please leave her alone.

  11. prianka said

    Why are you people like this? Why would you feel that your interpretation of holiness is the yard stick that God must judge others. I do not attend Paulas’ ministry but when i saw her i was impressed that someone as beautiful as her is professing Christ most people would be carried away and become an actress or a model. Maybe they are becoming sensual but we do not know the mind of God we can only know His will which is not condemning others and thinking that our righteousness will get us to heaven. No. Its the Grace of God, even while we keep our selves holy lets abstain from pointing fingers like the Pharisees and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. We must be holy even as our father is holy, but we can only do his will by his grace not by any will power or knowledge of the scriptures we think we have.

    There are some people that have an outward appearance of holiness but God searches the heart and knows how they really are. While others that you might term sensual might actually have a heart that pleases God and by his mercy he will draw them to him. God hates sin but more than anything he hates pride of heart. I do not condone profanity of any kind in dressing or conduct but i will not also point fingers and label people.

    Please lets try to face our own lives and preach the Gospel of Jesus, God doesnt need you to judge pEople FOR hIM, cause you are not perfect yourself. Judgement has been given to Jesus(Please read the book of John).

    • Oluchi said

      I agree totally with you, I think we should concentrate more on our lives, how to please God and winning souls instead of judging others, like u rightly said we shld read the book of John and in addition Romans8,11 and 14 and let us not forget the story of Moses, Aaron and Mariam how they judged Moses cos of the wife he took and God was angry with them, we shld be careful how we talk about men of God, we can’t do God’s work for him. We have no right to judge anyone, one who is truely lead by the Spirit will aviod such dangers

  12. prianka: “Why would you feel that your interpretation of holiness is the yard stick that God must judge others.” It is not my interpretation of holiness, it is the Bible’s interpretation. It is quite easy to see that the Whites are not preaching, conducting their ministry or financial affairs, or living according to what the Bible commands us to. If you are unaware of this, then my saying such is not aimed at them, because they are very unlikely to read it, but you, who probably are not aware of how ascriptural their ministries are.

    “There are some people that have an outward appearance of holiness but God searches the heart and knows how they really are.” If you are holy inwardly, you will be holy outwardly. The Bible tells us to act holy because acting outwardly carnal can cause new and weak Christians to sin and stumble and fall. Jesus Christ said it would be better to be tossed into the sea with a millstone around your neck than to cause a new Christian to stumble and fall with your hypocrisy and carnality.

    “God hates sin but more than anything he hates pride of heart.” Well, the Whites are doing both. Why else would these people buy diamonds, furs, cars, and luxury homes while their bills go unpaid, let a strip club owner speak at their church, try to hang out with serial adulterer Donald Trump (not someone to associate with when having trouble in your marriage) and Tyra Banks (who again mocks Christians on her “America’s Top Model” show to please her large homosexual and promiscuous fan base) but pride? Why else would Randy White lie about degrees that he does not have?

    “Please lets try to face our own lives and preach the Gospel of Jesus, God doesnt need you to judge pEople FOR hIM, cause you are not perfect yourself. Judgement has been given to Jesus(Please read the book of John).” I have read the book of John as well as the entire Bible and you are a liar. The Bible tells us to hold each other accountable, starting with the preachers. Why else would the Bible give us qualifications that preachers are supposed to have and standards for Christian living if we are not supposed to keep them? The verses in the Bible about not judging was Christ telling the PHARISEES that they did not have the right to judge because they themselves had sinful hearts because they rejected Him as their Lord and God. The woman caught in adultery? She called Him Lord, so since she did that, her sins were forgiven. So Christ told her to go sin no more. But the people who accused her, even though they accused her correctly and were going to give her the appropriate punishment under the law, had no right to do so because they were themselves sinners. Not only did they commit the sin of rejecting their God, but their whole purpose of bringing her before Him was to put their God to the test.

    Did you know that? Of course not. Yet you accuse me of not knowing the Bible? I received an understanding on that scripture and those similar because to me it seemed to be a contradiction, so I studied and prayed on those scriptures FOR YEARS until I received the interpretation. It is not because I am so special, but rather I only did what God told us to do … to study the scriptures and to come and reason together with Him over them. Have you ever heard anyone preach that interpretation to you before? Of course not, because these people are demanding that you not judge sin because they themselves want to live in sin. Well I have to ask y you: where do you draw the line? Adultery? Homosexuality? Child Molestation? Theft? Murder? If so, why draw the line there? What makes those so bad? The Bible calls it sin, but so what … what about the other things that the Whites and these other false preachers are doing that the Bible calls sin that you want me to shut up about?

    I am sorry, but I cannot follow your standards or your commandments. I have to follow God’s standards and His commandments according to the BIBLE. You cannot put me in the lake of fire, but God can. That is why only Him must I obey and serve. Thank you and God bless you.

  13. Diane said

    Prianka, God’s call/command to be holy as He is holy, is life and peace. Our ways brings death and misery. What is holy and beautiful in God’s eyes is totally different from the world’s standard of beauty.

    Women KNOW, even before becoming a believer in Jesus Christ, that wearing certain clothes will attract sexually. This false esteem is what satan offers women. In the end, anyone submitting to that deception, mars, degrades and sins against oneself.

    When women choose to be immodest the men that come into their presence have to make a concerted effort to make eye contact, and keep a pure heart.

    I know women can be modest and there will still be men who will lust after them, but if you are lewd in the way you dress, you will be tempting men with what is forbidden.

    Jesus says “the lamp of the body is the eye”….
    Do we have the love of God shed abroad in our hearts to not want to be a stumbling block.

    “if your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you…”
    Do we cause men to have to spend needless time in repentance, because of seductive attire?

    “…woe to that man by whom the offenses come”

  14. Rob said

    Prianka:

    I know you are aware of the scripture “Judge not lest you be judged”. It’s amazing how you teach “judge not” disguised in such an innocent and loving way, yet with the bitter poison in your tongue, you YOURSELF JUDGE by saying that “this man’s interpretation of holiness is the yard stick”. DO you not know what you are casting upon this man with just this statement alone? The Bible is the yard stick to holiness. God is the yardstick for holiness. Are you judging this man by saying HE THINKS he is God? Tell me this is not true, especially after you preach and believe so strongly in “JUDGE NOT”.

    I am so sick of you types who continues to show your blind hypocrisy when you say “don’t judge, don’t’ cast the first stone, take the beam out, don’t use harsh words”…yet YOU CAN GO AROUND AND make statements like “Maybe they are becoming sensual but we do not know the mind of God we can only know His will which is not condemning others and thinking that our righteousness will get us to heaven.” I peep your subtle judging here. You are judging this man by saying that “he thinks his righteousness will get you to heaven”. Try in anyway to cover this up as only by your blinded eyes and selfish pride would allow. I’m but o bet you a large sum of money (even though I don’t believe in betting…let me clear that up) that HEALTHELAND does not believe his righteousness will get him into heaven…YET you strongly imply this. WHY? Because YOU ARE JUDGING!!!

    By the way, there is a simple verse in Philippians that says “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: – Phl 2:5 ” Ever read it?

    About them becoming sensual…Jude says about this false prophet – “These be they who separate themselves, SENSUAL, having not the Spirit.” Jud 1:19 . Ever read it?

    It amazes me how all you nit-wits take so much of your time trying to defend these false teachers yet these wolves in sheep clothes have very little to say in their own defense. Ask TD about his false teaching about the TRINITY (I know that this doctrine is not important, RIGHT?) and he has very little to say in his defense. Juanita and Weeks talk a lot about love in marriage – which by the way is laughable – but I will bet if you would ask these models of marriage let’s say… about the sin of ADULTERY… they would have very little to say. CREFLO when asked about all his millions speaks very sheepishly and innocently when confronted by the media of this world. These people only show boldness when they spew out the doctrines of demons to those who they know can be manipulated and fall in their traps. False teachers and teaching are dangerous. Those who defend and follow them are just as bad. “. …many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.” 2Pe 2:2

    Keep up the good work HEALTHELAND. CONTINUE TO BE A SOLDIER AND MARCH AS TO WAR!!!

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  16. Jenny said

    I wasn’t aware that we are the judge and jury. I was always under the notion that God is. What ever happened to compassion? or have we gotten so high on our soapbox and so Holy that we can not lend forth a hand to the hurting? God’s grace will cover a multitude of sin let’s not forget that.

  17. Jenny: Have you ever read the Bible at all? Yes, God is the one that will determine who goes to heaven or the lake of fire. And your talk about lending a hand to the hurting, compassion, and God’s grace covering a multitude of sins … that applies to REPENTANT people that are TRYING to live right. Randy and Paula White are false preachers that have been lying to people, ripping them off financially, and perverting doctrines for years! Where in the Bible does it say that God’s grace will cover a preacher that twists scripture to justify taking the offerings from your congregation and using it to buy fur coats, jewels, and luxury homes, while refusing to pay your creditors, even getting sued by members of your own congregation? I will tell you: the Bible says that false preachers that pervert doctrine, steal church money, and cause believers to stumble are accursed to the lake of fire. I will show compassion on Randy and Paula when they admit their sin and step down from the pulpit. Until then, they are vipers and should be treated as such, and the same goes for all of their supporters that refuse to open their eyes even when confronted with the truth of the Bible.

  18. prianka said

    Healtheland stop greiving yourself and writing essays to prove your spirituality and knowledge of the Bible. I am Nigerian, i do not attend the Whites ministries, i attend the redeemed Chriatian Church of God, i only see Paula from time to time on TBN when i am flipping channels, in my church the women still cover their heads and some do not wear trousers only skirts. Our Ministry is that of holiness and preaching the Gospel of Christ so you dont know anything about my belifs on sensuality and carnality.

    When you people read a post that doesnt hold your views you begin to label the person as unscriptural, sensual and a liar. I like Dianas reply, this is some whose interest is not in glorifying he knowledge or spirituality but making you understand her stance in Godly manner which is pleasing to God and man and i totally agree with her and i love her more for her manner. This is the same way Jesus gets things done. Healtheland read your reply clearly, all it does is glorify you and your righteousness it doesnt glorify God. You can hit a soul with more of Jesus and less of you.

    You said am a liar i will ask you to apologise to me cause thats an insult on my part if you do not agree with me God didnt give you the unction to call me a liar. You said i am a liar because isaid judgement has been given to Jesus, how am a liar? John 5 20-30. You are talking about accountability and i am talking about judgement these are two entirely different things. All men are accountable even in carnal laws you are accountable to your state wife children but judgement is not in your hands. Please if you dont agree with me let the dictionary explain to you. In your essay not once did you quote the scrptures it was me this me that am not and never will be interested in your spiritual exploits, it is of no benefit to my life. The whites mey be wrong but the criticisms are too harsh, Gods love for them is still fresh snd new were they willing to change.

    You can admonish and correct and it should be done with love, its not only sensuality that causes offenses, Mature Christians can offend each other. Diana thank you for such a deep and genuine reply.

  19. prianka said

    Rob if you are interpreting my post based onyour approval of Healthelands spirituality i dont think you have anything to say to me. You are out of context, and totally off the point i was making. You can pervert my post all you want by calling me names and glorifying your friend it doesnt worry me, as long as i know what my intentions were i am okay. You make a statemant and you ask for replies and if someone doesnt agree with you, you start insulting the person how mature is that? How will that move the body of Christ to Unity. Read Dianas REPLY AND LET HER SHOW YOU HOW JESUS GETS THINGS DONE. There is no need for aggression, you say you are sick of nit wits and claim you are so spiritual where did your long suffering go. Diana dindt agree with me but her maturity and understanding has drawn me to her.

    I am not interested in your understanding and spiritual politics, okay you know the bible more than me kudos to you am not contending on who knows more, am just saying the crticisn is too harsh if you thik am wrong you can convey your message in a Godly manner, if my post seemed offensive am sorry but i think you can find loopholes in anything if your mind wants to. If Jesus was crcified who am i a mere mortal to attack people if i am shown my error? You need to grow up, your reply is very immature.

  20. prianka said

    Diane

    tHANK YOU FOR THE REPLY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU HUNDRED PERCENT, I JUST FELT THE CRITICISM AND SOME OF THE CHOICE OF WORDS WERE A LITTLE TOO HARSH. YOUR POST REALLY MOVED ME. THANK YOU FOR SUCH A MATURE REPLY.

  21. prianka said

    By calling people nit wits doesnt make you any smarter Jesus said he who calls his btother “tHOU FOOL” IS LIABLE TO HELL FIRE.

    tHIS IS THE SAME REASON I EVEN POSTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, I AM NOT SUPPORTING THEIR ACTIONS AM JUST SAYING YOUR APPROACH TO YOU CORRECTING ENLIGHTENING PEOPLE IS QUESTIONABLE AS WELL. IF I DONT AGREE WITH THE HIGH AND MIGHTY HEALTHELAND THAT DOESNT MAKE ME A NIT WIT, YOUR MOUTH IS VERY FOUL. GOD IS MY STANDARD AND NOT MAN.

  22. prianka said

    lastly heateland( am posting too much sorry) I did not ask you to follow my commands and you made me laugh when you said i cannot put you in the lake of fire only God can. God is not putting anybody into any lake of fire your sins get you there, for it is sin that seperates us from God. You dissected my post and found fault with everything i said why were you soooo defensive. Did i strike a nerve? I am not commanding you, i dont know why you are flying off the handle here anf dramatizing everything you asked for reply and i was just giving one. Maybe i offended you if i did then sorry. You call me a liar and say i dont read the bible and inthe end you say GOD bles you? You have read the whole bible but i can assure you even if you read it 100 times you do not hold its total interpretation only God who teaches us all things, when Jesus said judge not he was not referring to the Pharisees and stoning the adulterous woman as you say it was the “Sermon on the mount”, he was teachung the multitudes Matthew 7 verse 1 to 5, lUKE 6 42 the pHARISEES AND WOMAN THING HAPPENED at a later time after the sermon onthe mount so stop mixing the scriptures to suit yourself. Judging someone is Forbidden in Christianity the sooner you realise it the better for you.

  23. Mike (Johnson) said

    Prianka, in your statement I do not attend Paulas’ ministry but when i saw her i was impressed that someone as beautiful as her is professing Christ most people would be carried away and become an actress or a model. Maybe they are becoming sensual but we do not know the mind of God we can only know His will which is not condemning others and thinking that our righteousness will will get us to heaven.

    Are you saying that no one is capable of speaking out against false prophets? If no one can know “the mind God” then the bible is completely worthless and inconsequential.

    I am not going to preach to you. But I tell you the mind and will of God has been made abundantly clear in the bible. The bible warns us about people like Paula White & Juanita Bynum and the rest of their types. Beware!!!

  24. prianka said

    I believe that the mind and will of God are not the same. We are not equipped to understand the mind and workings of the Lord here on earth in the capacity that some people claim to. If you know the mind of God then you know when you are going to die, or what is going to happen every everyday of every second to everybody, if you know the mind of God why do you marvel when certain breaking news arrive to your ear? Surely if you know Gods mind then you know EVERYTHING cause He knows EVERYTHING. His will is all over the scriptures which is our duty to do on earth but His mind is another matter. Why else will He be called a mysterious God or that he works in myterious ways because when he reveals his mind we marvel at such Greatness.

    tHE BIBLE SAYS HIS WAYS ARE NOT OUR WAYS AND HIS THOUGHTS ARE NOT OUR THOUGHTS FOR AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH SO IS HIS WAYS HIGHER THAN OURS AND HIS THOUGHTS HIGHER THAN OURS. THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS WHO CAN KNOW THE WAYS OF THE LORD? THESE ARE PROPHETS WHO ARE HOLIER THAN MOST PEOPLE TODAY AND SAW GOD DO MIGHTY THINGS WITH THEIR EYES AND THEY STILL ASK WHO CAN KNOW THE WAY OF THE LORD?

    If these people are false prophets i do not know but i will not follow i doctrine that doesnt agree with my spirit but in me labeling them as false i cant do that. If you are convinced that they are false i cannot argue with you because frankly i am not in the position to dispute their falseness or to say oyu are wrong.

    Take care and God bless.

  25. prianka: “I believe that the mind and will of God are not the same.” You are aware that the Bible repeatedly and explicitly says the exact opposite, right? The fact that God is perfect, meaning all parts of Him are in perfect agreement in every way, is the single most important part of Christianity. Otherwise, God would not and could not be omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, righteous, perfect,and holy, because He would be divided against Himself. My goodness, you are the very one who is saying that “only God can judge”, yet your god whose will and mind are divided against each other would not have the right to judge anyone because he would be unable to do so justly. Your false god would be a hypocrite for casting anyone into the lake of fire, because he would be holding his creation (presuming that a god whose mind and will are not united would be capable of creating anything – especially by merely speaking – in the first place … let me inform you that HE WOULDN’T) to a higher standard than he himself has ever attained. prianka, with your own words you reveal yourself to be someone who knows absolutely nothing about God, the Bible, or Christianity, and furthermore you are only following these people for your own entertainment. You quite honestly would be better off giving up the lie and getting your entertainment in the secular arena where the product and talent is a lot better and furthermore costs you a lot less money.

  26. prianka said

    Healthe land Two things being seperate doesnt mean they must be contradictory you are just perverting my post to cover your own fault admit it you are wrong to judge me as a liar and nubiased person will know my post is not contradictory i dont even know half of these preachers you are talking of i live in Africa i have just seen Paula occasionally. You dont need to be derogatory or insultive to prove your point like i said quite judging people it is a forbidden act and beware of blasphemy if i am serving the living God and because you misunderstand my post and call Him a false God you have your self to blame. Like i told you before just because some one doesnt share your opinion doesnt mean the person is lost . YOU ARE NOT THE YARD STICK FOR WHICH ANY CHRISTIAN SHOULD JUDGE HIMSELF YOU ARE VERY FAR FROM IT, If you read my post with out any bias in your heart or grudge you will not need to condemn me and you cant condemn me and you will not drag me into a futile show of shallow spirituality, if you think you the wotrlds gift to morality thats you dont impose and curse when someone is not agreeing with you. Must you control? Must every living soul agree with healtheland and who doesnt is damned?? This is my understaanding if am wrong God can show me the way He doesnt need you accuse His children , Jesus said “dONT THINK THAT I WILL ACCUSE YOU TO THE FATHER…jOHN 5.45a

    You say i know absolutely nothing about God or the bible and you say i should take my talents to circular arena. Are you not a preacher of the Gospeel or are you a gatherer of they that believe in the revelations of healtheland? If i have accepyed Jesus into my life then it my right to enjoy his grace. Your choice of words are very vile for some one who has been washed in his blood for your own sake wash your mouth for we are to emulate Jesus in speech as well our words are meant to heal you are just offensive. Did i once say i support the properity Gospel, that i dont support them doesnt mean i must join the band wagon and label them false. And if i dont then am worshipping a false God. You are getting too big for yourself come domn from that high horse thatt you are riding and serve Jesus with humility and pureness of heart. We are nothing save for the Grace of God, if it took you years to understand the scripture on judgement my friend you need more years cause you are not there yet. JUDGE NOT JUDGE NOT JUDGE NOT JUDGE NOT JUDGE NOT, THE LAMB OF GOD WHO SITS UPON THE THRONE SAYS THIS JUDGE NOT. WIHTH THE SAME MEASURE YE JUDGE OTHERS SO SHALL YE BE JUDGED.

  27. prianka said

    And lastly you are still judging in saying that i should take my talents to the circular arena for money you have really outdone yourself with this one. What is your proof that i want money do you know me?, from your posts healthelend you are not a mature christian you might be an old one but you are definitely not mature. You have been writing essays and saying i am wrong for all i know your are preaching the healtheland gospel not once have you quoted scripture to prove your point not once. You dont even know that judge not was said on the sermon on the mount you attributed it to the stoning of the adulterous woman. When you quote me scripture that i can meditaate on and prove me that what i have said is false then we can reason together untill then am not interested in hearing your vain babblings.

  28. Mike (Johnson) said

    Prianka, you said…
    “His will is all over the scriptures which is our duty to do on earth but His mind is another matter.”

    I think you are splitting hairs when you try to distinguish between mind and will. Anyone’s will is based on his or her mind. For example if you believe that rapists should be persecuted, it is because in your mind, you believe rape is a horrible crime.

    Understanding the mind of God is not the same as predicting what he will do or how he will do it. Technically speaking that is prophesy. Knowing or understanding the mind of God is your first step in becoming Christ-like.

    Needless to say, I am not surprised that you are unsure of whether Paula or Juanita are false prophets. Maybe it is because you have not been exposed to them as you say or maybe it is because you “only follow the will of God”. Since you only follow the will of God, I presume you would need a verse in the bible that explicitly tells you that a woman wearing X type of clothes, making X type of doctrinal statements is a false prophet.

    I am not saying this to berate you. Like someone said earlier, I am just sick of professed Christians that cannot seemingly speak up against false preachers that are abusing the name of Christ and raping the community. If you are a Nigerian, you must know what I am talking about.

  29. John Kaniecki said

    It seems we are having some heated discussion and things we don’t agree upon. Let us remember that gentleness is a fruit of the spirit and that we are to be humble.

    Look we are all Bible beliving Christians and we should love one another. The people that I love I treat with respect. If we are too criticize let us do it by using scripture, II Timothy 3:16.

    What would a non believer think if he or she would look at us and see the attacks upon one another. Think about what witness we are setting.

    Also there is a Spirit behind the word. It is not enough to know scripture but to look at it and understand the true meaning of what Christ is saying. This is perhaps the most difficult thing in Christianity. The reason being that are minds have been poinsoned by the devil since youth. Primarily there is so much controversy and lies and teachings that it makes our heads spin. That is why we must stick to the Word of God. That is the door see John 10: 7-10. Also the scripture say “Be ye not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.”

    We should all read Romans 14 and understand what Paul is saying.

    I know of a person who had proper doctrine. There was a women also a believer who had some era. One day he cornered her and pointed out every single error that that woman made by using scripture. After the conversation the woman said ” I believe what you are saying is right but you showed me no love.” No let’s read I Corinthians 13 slowly and see what it says.

    Finally let me say I’ve been a Christian twenty years. I’ve struggled, I’ve sinned, I’ve been on the mountain and I’ve been in the valley, I had triumphs and failures. Over the years I’ve been taught a lot of things. Most of these things I accepted, and almost without exception these people gave scripture. Now as I reflect and further understand the Word of God I think carefully who taught me what. I remember one preacher telling me, “Don’t pray for paintence because paitence comes from suffering.” That preacher wound up getting divorced by his wife because of his excessive homosexuality. He now lives in a nursing home obessed with gay pornography.(At least that was the last I heard of him.) Yet for all appearances he was a nice man and knew the Word of God. He didn’t just have a moment of weakness he led a life dedicated to sin. The same man also lied about his credentials. Yet the opposite is true. I look at people who had great love and paitence towards me. I tend to find what they told me was more in the line with truth.

    Look we’ve all been wrong in the past over certain scriptural things. (And if you’ve haven’t let me congratulate you and tell you to keep on living.) For example let’s bring up the subject of tongues. Some people say tongues is something that exists today. Others say that it’s time has ceased since the completion of the Bible. I can accept either answer because both can reference scripture. Of course both people can’t be right. Yet I can say with absolute certainty that if you do speak in tongues you’d better have an interpreter or your doing it the wrong way. How can I say this because I Corinthians 14:28 says so. One of the few valuable things I learned in semminary was to read before and after the scripture. This is because the numbers were not in the original version. After doing so I can safely say that I am not taking the scripture out of context. So now I can say without any doubt whatsoever that those people who go to church or service or whatever and they go up there and babble speaking in tongues and don’t have an interpreter are breaking the Word of God. If you have a problem with this I feel confident without a doubt that I am standing firm on the Word of God.

    Also don’t forget to pray for all of us. Prayer is a mighty thing.

    Love,

    John

  30. Mike (Johnson) said

    John I clearly understand your point but I am not sure of the relevance. I will say it again. It is time for Christians to stop hiding behind the scriptures and speak firmly and loudly against the injustice, hypocrisy and abuse we see in the community. The first people we must take to task is our “Christian leaders”.

  31. John Kaniecki said

    I certainly am one to point out injustice, hypocrisy and abuse. This alone is just the first step. We all must act to end these things and bring about a world more in accordance with how God intends for us to live. Talking and pointing out these things is great but as James says “Faith without deeds is death.” If somebody is hungry and you say go and be well fed and do nothing then what good was it.

    I personally would never give these preachers on the television set one penny. I don’t watch television because we only own a VCR. However today I was watching Jimmy Swaggart for a few minutes while visiting my parents. I saw his little talk and it was all directed towards money. Then he offered an MP3 player with songs. The asking price was one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars. Then he said I know some of you can’t afford that but you can afford five hundred dollars for which he offered seven dollars. It was plainly obvious that all he was concerned about was the money. It dominated the whole ten minutes that I watched him. He claimed that he needed the money for his ministry to continue. I noticed the nice suits all the panel were wearing and the tv studio looked real nice.

    Did you ever see in the scriptures Jesus selling something or asking for a donation. We know that he was helped monetarily as Judas held the bag with the money. I also it believed the women gave them money though I’m not sure of the scripture reference.

    And it doesn’t stop with the Cable T.V. shows it goes far deeper. It goes to our government where people betray us and serve their selfish interest. I see this on a town, state and national level. It goes to the way our military, our police, our IRS, our CIA, our FBI act. I could point out documented proofs of abuse in these areas. It goes to the way businesses operate here and around the world. How greed is the motivating factor and things like safety and the worker’s wellfare are ignored to make the extra buck. Whether it’s the poor farm hand going to pick the flowers with pesticides on it and no protection is provided, our it’s the corporate CEO order the unions in Latin American countries should be broken knowing full well that this means the goons he’s hired will murder the union organizers, or the chemical company that made agent orange fufilled their order but left the poisonous dioxin in because it would have cost more to have it removed. It goes on to the media who promote propaganda instead of stories. Why we hear so much about Britney Spears and real stories are missed. It goes to television and Hollywood who promote smut, immorality, obscenity and so forth. It goes to the education people who educate or children with lies, half truths and selectivity. We all remember the Main from a hundred years ago but who remembers the USS Liberty from fifty years ago. It goes to members of the clergy who are more interested in their careers and making money instead of doing God’s work.

    Yes it’s time all of these lies should be exposed and the truth be made known.

    I agree first of all it is our so called Christian leaders who need to repent. Jesus got angriest with the pharisees calling them and their like “Hypocrites and broods of vipers.” Why because they represented God and were telling lies.

    But I must say that one does not hide behind the scriptures. I don’t know exactly what you mean by that so I don’t want to take you out of context. But one stands on the scriptures it is the Word of God. The scriptures as in Ephesians is our sword. A careful examination of the prophets and Psalms in particular will give the understanding reader God’s call for justice and an end to oppression.

    The point I am making is that we are Christians and there is a way for us to behave. In all honesty I didn’t have time to read the blogs or writings that intently. I skimmed over them. Why are people calling one another nitwits. Why is there such antagonism. Why does the tone to me suggest argument and not discussion. It goes further than entries on these logs but also on others I have read on the website.

    No I am not against conviction or truth. But Love is the thing the seperates Christians from the world. Love among other things is not puffed up.

    Gotta run dinner is ready.

    John

  32. Mike (Johnson) said

    John, my reference to “hiding behind the scriptures” was not directed at you in particular. It was in reference to the millions of Christians who are quick to utter “touch not my anointed…”, “Judge not less you will be judged..”, “ye without sin..” etc etc whenever you try to examine our current Christian leadership.

    As you mentioned, preachers don’t sell you or even talk about salvation. They promise you riches as they jet across the country in their jets and showcase their million dollar homes. Ironically if there is one thing Jesus warned us against, it was the love of money.

    So we can talk about love as much as we want but we cannot impact the world or establish any degree of relevance if our house is not in order and than begins at the top.

  33. John Kaniecki said

    Mike,

    I certainly agree one hundred percent with you on most of your comments. I now understand you comment and I appreciate the clarification. I makes me think of Jim Baker. We all now the story of how he cheated and robbed people perverting the scriptures of the Bible. The sad thing was that he was actually knew only a few scriptures and never even read the whole Bible.

    If we want to impact the world we must start with the Church. I think the worst of the lot are the ones on television. My television only has a vcr so I don’t watch them. When I was visiting Grenada with my wife I had an opportunity to watch them. They are very slick. They have the advantage of a whole team to help them prepare and I’m sure if they mess up they can just take another try at it. Of course some are worse than others. I know many people who say religion in particular Christianity is just about getting money. I believe the cable tv shows are a lot to blame.

    Love of money is the primary problem. It is idolatry. Whenever you put something in front of God it’s idolatry.

    Now be careful about starting at top. Jesus Christ is the head of the church. Also we are all called to be ministers and ambassadors to Christ. Also Peter tells us we are a royal priesthood. The preacher or rather the man in the pulpit is perhaps the most pre eminent. However a reading of the books of Timothy and Titus will reveal that the congregation is to be ruled by elders. An elder or a bishop or overseer has the authority. The elders are to be helped by the deacons. With this system in place the preacher cannot get away with whatever he wants. If he is not preaching correctly or there is a problem with doctrine it is the elder’s responsibility to correct him.

    Let me point out to you that God works with the humble of the Earth. Read I Corinthians 26- 28. Every Christian is a minister and it is our responsibility to know what the Word of God says. If a preacher walked into a congregation and preached a perverted message to a crowd of people well versed in the Word then that preacher would be called to answer for what he said. They wouldn’t get away with what they do today.

    Though things like semminary and Bible school are very nice (sometimes) they are not really Biblical in the sense that someone with a PHD or Master’s in divinity knows more than someone else. In fact I’ve seen these schools teach a lot of doctrine and teachings of men. And even when I see positive results from a good school I sometimes see these people get prideful just from the fact that they have a degree hanging on the wall.

    Please don’t underestimate the power of love. After all I John says twice that God is love. Also the two greatest commandments are to Love God with our whole strength, heart and minds and to Love our neighbour as ourselves. Jesus says if you love me you will keep my commandements John 14:15. Love is the most essential thing. I’m talking about righteous Biblical love. Notice the prominence and how much it is talked about especially in the New Testament. I Corinthinans 13:13 says Love is greater than faith and hope.

    I gotta run it’s my wife’s turn to use the computer.

    Love,

    John

  34. prianka said

    MiKE HI. I do agree with you that prosperity preaching these days has bacome the primary focus, its like everybody is being so comfortable here when we shouldnt be. But John is right in saying that whatever we do it must be done in the spirit of love, some people admonsih or correct others in a way that is judgemental, spiteful, or accusing. One thing you have to know is it is the right of preachers to live ofF the gospel, to benefit from the congregation READ I CORINTHIANS 9. Paul was talking about this same topic here, about preachers and church money. While he stated that it is not wrong verse11 ” IF WE HAVE SOWN UNTO YOU SPIRITUAL THINGS , IS IT A GREAT THING IF WE SHALL REAP YOUR CARNAL THINGS?” verse13 “DO YE NOT KNOW THAT THEY WHICH MINISTER ABOUT HOLY THINGS LIVE OF THE TEMPLE? AND THEY WHICH WAIT AT THE ALTAR ARE PARTAKERS OF THE ALTAR”
    verse 14 “EVEN SO HATH THE LORD ORDAINED THAT THEY WHICH PREACH THE GOSPEL SHOULD LIVE OF THE GOSPEL”

    Now what am i saying? It is not wrong for us to minister carnal things to our ministers, when Jesus preached to the Samaritans inthe book of John 4, after he preached to them they took care of him for two days. So to establish this fact it is not a sin. Why are you people angry? You are angry because you believe that Paula and Randy are ABUSING this power that they have. Back to corinthians “…Nevertheless we have not used this power, lest we should hinder the Gosplel of Christ.” verse 18″ WHAT IS MY REWARD THEN? VERILY THAT, WHEN I PREACH THE GOSPEL, I MAY MAKE THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST WITHOUT CHARGE, THAT I NOT ABUSE NOT MY POWER IN THE GOSPEL”. verse 27″ BUT I KEEP UNDER MY BODY AND BRING IT UNTO SUBJECTION, LEST THAT BY ANY MEANS, WHEN I HAVE PREACHED TO OTHERS I MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY”

    If you remember in the book of 1 Samuel chapter one to four, when Eli the priests sons (who were priests themselves) were sinning and he didnt tell them the Lord sent a specific word through Samuel, not to broadcast it in the streets but he sent a specific word to Eli through Samuel. I believe that some might be abusing this power and using it to milk money from people BUT this is not the way to correct them by this post on the internet.

    Remeber through out the bible if the LORD had something to say he would always send a specific word through his prophets, this is not to say we cant show eachother our error but this is a different case.

  35. prianka said

    Also if you in Samuel the sons of Eli were abusing this power given unto them as well. You are making a point and so is John and healtheland, i wish we can have a christian discussion without bitterness and accussations, i have learnt by reading all the posts i may not always agree with everything but i have learnt new things. You might think that people hide behind JUDGE NOT scripture and maybe some do but it is a very powerful verse to help us work steadfastly on our own lives everyday and strive to personal perfection. When you know eavh day you are striving to be better you will have less time to see the speck of dust in your brothers eye. Jesus said REMOVE YOURS FIRST,

  36. prianka said

    Mike iit is not wrong to hold them accountable but remember the scripture Jesus said CAST THE FIRST STONE. They could have said master this women did wrong only, fine Jesus wouldnt have minded i think,but since they mentioned a punishment for her thats another story altogether. We have all sinned and we still make little mistakes here and there maybe not as frequent or as grotesque but we fall as well. What makes us think our little things are more forgivable or less perverse than the our list of Paulas sins? What makes us sure we are better than her? This is just my point thats all is it because we are not selling sex in the church or we havent had surgery or we are not stealing money as well is that the yardstick to prove we are more worthy of Gods grace and love? We can correct but judgement is not for us. Mike if i did say anything previously to offend you am sorry, i hope we can disscuss in a spirit of unity and harmony.

  37. Mike (Johnson) said

    Prianka,

    Again I believe you are dodging the point and hiding behind the scriptures in order to exonerate these fake prophets. Like I said before, it is important that when you read the scriptures that you understand the basis for which it was written or you will lose the entire meaning.

    1 Corinthians 9 was a letter from the Apostle Paul to the Corinthians who were questioning Paul’s authority and rights as an apostle (see verse 3). Paul is talking about fair and adequate compensation for himself and others so that they may continue to serve the lord. I am honestly not aware of any Christian who is against compensation for our leaders. The key phrase is ”fair and adequate”. The pay and compensation for today’s mega church leaders is anything but fair and it is far more than adequate. Truly it is actually disgusting. Only those who love money can stomach to read what these people are doing. Click here for examples if you are unclear on what I am referring to:
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.htm

    This is why I said before that we are almost 100% irrelevant to the world because even our “Christian leaders” cannot exemplify the grace, humility and LOVE that our lord Jesus Christ showed to the world.

    So again, criticize me all you want referencing verse after verse about how we are not to judge or how the internet is a poor venue to showcase our disagreements. Meanwhile the Paula Whites and Juanita Bynums forge ahead completing their second divorces and moving from one million dollar house to another. All the while they are being compensated by the congregation.

    Believe me I am not angry. I have never contributed a dime to these jokesters but I tell you the Lord is not amused anymore.

  38. Mike (Johnson) said

    Prianka,

    Again I believe you are dodging the point and hiding behind the scriptures in order to exonerate these fake prophets. Like I said before, it is important that when you read the scriptures that you understand the basis for which it was written or you will lose the entire meaning.

    1 Corinthians 9 was a letter from the Apostle Paul to the Corinthians who were questioning Paul’s authority and rights as an apostle (see verse 3). Paul is talking about fair and adequate compensation for himself and others so that they may continue to serve the lord. I am honestly not aware of any Christian who is against compensation for our leaders. The key phrase is ”fair and adequate”. The pay and compensation for today’s mega church leaders is anything but fair and it is far more than adequate. Truly it is actually disgusting. Only those who love money can stomach to read what these people are doing. Click here for examples if you are unclear on what I am referring to:
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.htm

    This is why I said before that we are almost 100% irrelevant to the world because even our “Christian leaders” cannot exemplify the grace and humility and love that our lord Jesus Christ showed to the world. Contrary to your statement, I did not say I have not sinned but if top (the head) is corrupt the rest shall follow.

    So you can reference verse after verse about how we are not to judge or take an active and firm stance against this nonsense. Either way the Paula Whites and Juanita Bynums are forging ahead completing their second divorces while the congregation continues to support their million dollar lifestyles.

    In all of this, I tell you the Lord is not amused anymore.

  39. Mike (Johnson) said

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  40. Mike (Johnson) said

    Prianka,

    I believe you are dodging the point and hiding behind the scriptures in order to exonerate these fake prophets. Like I said before, it is important that when you read the scriptures that you understand the basis for which it was written or you will lose the entire meaning.

    1 Corinthians 9 was a letter from the Apostle Paul to the Corinthians who were questioning Paul’s authority and rights as an apostle (see verse 3). Paul is talking about fair and adequate compensation for himself and others so that they may continue to serve the lord. I am honestly not aware of any Christian who is against compensation for our leaders. The key phrase is ”fair and adequate”. The pay and compensation for today’s mega church leaders is anything but fair and it is far more than adequate. Truly it is actually disgusting. Only those who love money can stomach to read what these people are doing. Click here for examples if you are unclear on what I am referring to:
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.htm

    This is why I said before that we are almost 100% irrelevant to the world because even our “Christian leaders” cannot exemplify the grace and humility and love that our lord Jesus Christ showed to the world. Contrary to your statement, I did not say I have not sinned but if top (the head) is corrupt the rest shall follow.

    So you can reference verse after verse about how we are not to judge or take an active and firm stance against this nonsense. Either way the Paula Whites and Juanita Bynums are forging ahead completing their second divorces while the congregation continues to support their million dollar lifestyles.

    In all of this, I tell you the Lord is not amused anymore.

  41. prianka said

    Mike i did not say YOU said you had not sinned i was only making a general statement. Did you read my post well? Your reply is off my point. TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS.

  42. Prianka: What is your point then? That no Christian can say at any time or in any context that any other person that calls himself Christian is false? Or that you are unqualified to judge such a person? In either case, you stand in opposition to what the Bible clearly states in many places. (Now the verses that you like to use about “not judging” and “motes and beams” … well according to those not even God Himself could judge!) So who is right, Prianka? You or the Bible?

  43. Mike (Johnson) said

    Prianka,

    I read your posts very well actually. In anycase here is the link if you are interested in learning about the lifestyles of these men and women of God.
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html

    Remain blessed

  44. Rob said

    Prianka:

    To you statement – “We can correct but judgement is not for us.”

    A reply In the famous words of Jesus…

    “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
    John 7:24 Ever read it?

    Seems to me that Christ is saying that we can judge… just that our judgment should be righteous in that it is based on the Word of God. The word of God paints a judgment on these false prophet, their deeds (II Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you…. ) and their doom (II Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment).

    Also…No need to imply that anyone is offended by what you say.

  45. John Kaniecki said

    I certainly appreciate the discussion. My friend Tom once proposed this idea as to compensation towards preachers. Tom said that the preacher should earn about what the average member of the congregation earned. If you throw in free lodging and money for books then this is quite a deal. Also if the preacher needs more than he can always ask the congregation.

    I’ve come out of a church where the minister was missapropriating funds. I would say stealing but I don’t have access to the records. Any way the congregation went from a vital force of seventy to less then ten. When the minister was confronted he refused to repent. There is a lot to this story and it gets extremely complicated. Pride, personal amibtion and control raised it’s ugly head as well. Yet when the minister was asked that he and his wife to relinquish the finances of the church into the hands of others he refused. First of all his wife and he should never have been the one to sign the checks. The treasurer died and the wife stepped in. The minister stubornly held on. This was the death blow to those hanging on hoping for change. He put money before God. I hear he wanted to apologize on his death bed but now it’s between him and the Lord.

    What a bad example. What a tarnish on the name of Christ and His church. I see ministers who leave their flock to go preach elsewhere. They get paid a lot of money. I know of one the drives a mercedes benz, has his house paid for and get eighty thousand dollars a year. And when his wife needed something he demanded that. Now this is the same minister who said that he would appoint elders “over his dead body”. He needs to keep control. The church is large but and converts come in but it never grows.

    I really can’t say about these tv preachers, it’s been since I’ve seen them. Last time a did they were all dressed nice and didn’t seem lacking things. How far are they from John the Baptist or Paul. Paul who even worked for a living so as not to be an undue burden.

    Yes we recognize the problem of greed and putting money before God in these tv folks. Now what can we do about it? What concrete steps can we as concerned and dedicated Christians take?

  46. Mike (Johnson) said

    http://www.ministrywatch.com has the right idea. If you cannot view the 20/20 piece on their home page, click here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujxKq4qwUx4

    If you have doubts of the excessiveness of these individuals, click here:
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html

  47. Diane said

    Prianka, thank you for your encouraging words and for taking the time to clarify your views. I also thank you for not returning insults for insults. You have been patient while receiving disparaging comments (a fruit of not judging righteously), while you could have simply never bothered to respond (thank you for responding).

    I want to thank Healtheland for allowing discussion to take place here.

    Prianka, where I’m from, greed and sensuality are so prevalent, and the usual responses are the scriptures “judge not” etc. These scriptures are mostly used to silence the message of “repent and believe” “go and sin no more” and the requirement of Christ that we “deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow Him”.

    I wish some of the well known christians (and all christians)would respond like the woman caught in adultery (contrite and broken), but instead there seems to be a shameless attitude about them and they don’t seem to care about how they are influencing other people. Your reminder to us concerning Eli is definitely 1 of many ways God chooses to deal with His people. There were also the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah that were different than the prophet Daniel etc.

    Your comments about learning new things from each other are so true. You have demonstrated grace.

    Your Sister in Jesus our Lord
    Diane

  48. prianka said

    hEALTHELAND HI. havent heard from you for long but seriously are you for real? YOU WROTE ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES OF MOTES AND BEAMS NOT EVEN GOD IS ALLOWED TO JUDGE? Please can you clarify this? Are you trying to imply that God has motes and beams? Maybe i misunderstand you.

  49. prianka said

    Ok Mike i will read the link. I do not know why you people feel that i am endorsing a behaviour just because i dont hold the same views as you do on the method with which we should address the matter. I dont see the why all the essays because not one person in this forum that you people have gone against has said the whites are right or that they endorse their doings. We already know about this, prosperity preaching has been around for a few decades as far as the seventies its not a new thing.

    I believe we all have different approach, its just like bringing up a child some people believe in spanking and others do not they believe in speaking with the child. Both are absolutely correct but can go horribly wrong if taken too far. Occasional spanking taken too far can turn into abuse and too much reasoning can turn into lax mo and your lack of firm standing can be taken for indulgence. That said we all should avoid the same extremes when correcting each other. I have noticed that nobody wants to be wrong in this forum even when they are shown their wrong. Mike you on the other hand owe me an apology cause your first reply was rude and called me a nit wit but obviouly you will quote scripture that gives you the right to label people. I will repeat myself that only Diana has acted maturely.

  50. prianka said

    Yes Rob i have read that scripture and i read it again after you posted. iN jOHN 7.24 he was preaching in the temple and talking about Him healing on the sabbath day because He was judged for doing that by the Pharisees because they felt he did somethinng wrong and actually it was wrong to work on the sabbath but they were not concerned that he did something good by healing they were only bent on the sabbath. And you know Jesus and the Pharisees they never got along. lol.

    In my original post did i not say that sometimes we judge on appearance if i may recall? But i was attacked and called a liar, a nit wit and so on.

  51. Rob said

    Prianka:

    You wonder why people feel like you are endorsing the Whites (post #49)? DUH…Could it be possible, just maybe, it’s because you said things like:

    “Please leave her alone.”

    ” I do not attend Paulas’ ministry but when i saw her i was impressed that someone as beautiful as her is professing Christ most people would be carried away and become an actress or a model.”

    “God doesnt need you to judge pEople FOR hIM, cause you are not perfect yourself. Judgement has been given to Jesus(Please read the book of John).”

    “There are some people that have an outward appearance of holiness but God searches the heart and knows how they really are. While others that you might term sensual might actually have a heart that pleases God and by his mercy he will draw them to him. ”

    “Paul was talking about this same topic here, about preachers and church money. While he stated that it is not wrong verse11 ” IF WE HAVE SOWN UNTO YOU SPIRITUAL THINGS , IS IT A GREAT THING IF WE SHALL REAP YOUR CARNAL THINGS?” verse13 “DO YE NOT KNOW THAT THEY WHICH MINISTER ABOUT HOLY THINGS LIVE OF THE TEMPLE? AND THEY WHICH WAIT AT THE ALTAR ARE PARTAKERS OF THE ALTAR”verse 14 “EVEN SO HATH THE LORD ORDAINED THAT THEY WHICH PREACH THE GOSPEL SHOULD LIVE OF THE GOSPEL”

    AND….YOU’VE POSTED ABOUT 16 TIMES AND YOU NEVER ONCE TALKED ABOUT THEIR UNGODLY BEHAVIOR AS SIN.

    Don’t be deceived in thinking that You have been nice and graceful in you posts despite what Diane have said. Like I said earlier, the poison you spew:

    When you made the statement “Mike you on the other hand owe me an apology cause your first reply was rude and called me a nit wit but obviouly you will quote scripture that gives you the right to label people. “…

    It was not Mike who used the term “nit-wit”, it was me. NOT NICE!!! NOT NICE!!! So maybe (at least according to your way of doing things) you owe Mike an apology instead.
    – Personally, I have any qualms about calling people who defends these false teachers “nit-wits” as even Peter and Jude had no problems calling the false teachers brute beasts, spots and blemishes, and cursed children. Actually “nit-wits” is rather mild compared to some of the terms Christ and the writers used. No need to be offended by this. –

    The self – righteous you displayed when:

    You mentioned a few times how others were offended by what you said, yet you come across as more offended that those who have posted on this topic. When you say:

    “You said am a liar i will ask you to apologise to me cause thats an insult on my part if you do not agree with me God didnt give you the unction to call me a liar.” – AND – “Mike you on the other hand owe me an apology cause your first reply was rude and called me a nit wit but obviouly you will quote scripture that gives you the right to label people. “…)

    The hypocritical judgment you passed when:

    1. I mentioned in my original post YOUR JUDGMENT when you accused “this man’s interpretation of holiness to be the yard stick”. DO you not know what you are casting upon this man with just this statement alone? The Bible is the yardstick to holiness. God is the yardstick for holiness. Are you judging this man by saying HE THINKS he is God? Tell me this is not true, especially after you preach and believe so strongly in “JUDGE NOT”.

    Your Response was that I was interpreting your post based on my approval of Healthelands spirituality. NOT NICE!!! NOT NICE!!! You never addressed whether you were judging or not.

    2. “Healtheland stop greiving yourself and writing essays to prove your spirituality and knowledge of the Bible.”

    Remember your words “What is your proof that i want money do you know me?, from your posts healthelend you are not a mature christian you might be an old one but you are definitely not mature.” – I say the same thing…You have no proof that this man is writing essays to prove his spirituality and knowledge of the Bible. There you go again, JUDGING. The thing you admonish for others not ot do. Nor that I was interpreting my post on Healtheland’s Spirituality (whatever that means). NOT NICE!!! NOT NICE!!!.

    3. IF I DONT AGREE WITH THE HIGH AND MIGHTY HEALTHELAND THAT DOESNT MAKE ME A NIT WIT. Come on, the HIGH and MIGHTY HEALTHELAND…Your Sarcasm…NOT NICE!!! NOT NICE!!!

    YOU SAY THINGS LIKE:

    “Judgement has been given to Jesus” (post #11)

    “said i am a liar because isaid judgement has been given to Jesus” (post #18)

    And when it was revealed in scriptures that Christ calls us to judge righteous judgement using His Word as the basis for judging (John 7:24) – this after you made the statement “We can correct but judgement is not for us.”; consistent to the ones you have been making – you replied to say that “you mentioned in your original post to say that sometimes we judge on appearance.

    This point was not that we judge on appearance. THE POINT WAS THAT YOU SAID WE ARE NOT CALLED TO JUDGE WHEN CHRIST CALLS FOR US JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT!!! It’s because of things like this that prompts people like Healtheland say “they would rather follow Christ than man or woman in your case”.

    Yeah you did good is citing the background of what was happening at the time he said this, but all the fluff still does not conceal the fact that you were incorrect when saying we arecalled only to correct, but not to JUDGE.

    You see… Healtheland and Mike have it right. We are to judge these false teachers for who they are and the false doctrines they preach. And for you to take the so called “loving approach” is WRONG to unify the BODY is WRONG!!! DEAD WRONG!!! These people are not even a part of the body. The Bible never addresses these types as such.

  52. Mike (Johnson) said

    You know it never ceases to amaze me how quick Christians back peddle from their original positions when the truth is presented to them. This is what I believe will happen on Judgement day. People (myself included) will try to deny ever hurting a fly but the facts will be there.

    Prianka, as Rob pointed out, I don’t think there is any doubt that you have been speaking in support of Paula White. As much as I respect your current stance, I wonder if your heart and your mind are in sync. I once heard from a famous Christian apologist that I respect a lot, Ravi Zacharias, who said “What I believe in my heart must make sense in my mind”. You seem like you are convinced in your heart that Paula White is probably a fake but your head does not want to take the proper steps.

    And no, I do not believe that we are simply taking different approaches. If I am spanking the child, you are turning a blind eye in hopes that the child will simply turn around. I am open to alternative forms of dealing with this problem as long as something is done.

    Lastly, as Rob said, I did not call you a nit-wit so you probably owe me an apology. Lets see if you are willing to be wrong when you are shown to be wrong.

  53. Rob said

    Mike,

    She’ll come back and play the “nice and loving” game. It’s amazing her earlier post were very judgmental, and her latter ones (after she had been told how graceful she was by Diane) not so much.

    So refreshing it is to know that niceness and personal grace don’t get us into heaven.

  54. prianka said

    Rob and Mike whatever eh? You win since you know what takes people to heaven keep doing it with all vigour and zeal and get to heaven ok? I am happy you have all this knowledge for your own good. Let me keep to my own way and i believe i will get to heaven in Jesus name not by my power and not by my might. Why does niceness offend you? You defend your stand and when others defend theirs you want to bite them. Why must i join you in saying the whiyes are sinning? Are we playing politics i think my opinion is my right to shroud from you if i choose to do so, i do not owe either of you any explanation for my life and if i feel healtheland is being judgemental in his opinion HE ASKED FOR A REPLY and i gave it.

    If you feel you are right then go and be right and respect yourselves and STOP insulting my person, you are free to your life and i am free to mine. And i will still say it LEAVE HER ALONE!!! IF YOU ARE SO BITTER ABOUT IT MIKE AND ROB I SUPPOSE you both LIVE IN THE STATES GO TO HER PERSONALLY AND TELL HER OFF AND STOP INSULTING PEOPLE. I never said they did right and i never said they did wrong and i did that on purpose, because I CHOOSE TO SHROUD MY OPINION. All am saying and will continue to say is YOU ARE BEING JUDGEMENTAL, If you dont like it then thats your business not mine. Dont try to put words into my mouth Mike and Rob i still stand by every post and if you see contradiction and fault with EVERYTHING I SAY then thats your problem not mine. Mike you twisted my post yet again by saying if you overlook hoping the child will change did i say over look in my post? I said speaking with the child and thats not overlooking. Rob talking about judgement you can judge a matter fairly and say this person is wrong but there is a judgement that we must refrain from which is what you people are doing, which is what Jesus told us not to do. You Rob ARE BRINGING THE jUDGE NOT FROM 7.24 WHICH WAS NOT THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT WHICH WAS AS A RESULT OF A SPECIFIC EVENT THAT HAPPENED. jESUS SAID IT HIMSELF NOT ME AND YOU ARE SAYING HE IS CONTRADICTING HIMSELF OR ARE YOU NOT BY QUOTING THE SCRIPTURE 7.24? iF YOU WANT TO KEEP JUDGING PEOPLE THEN DO SO OR FEEL YOU HAVE A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT THEN DO SO SAND NEXT TIME DONT ASK FOR A REPLY IF YOU KNOW YOU WILL INSULT PEOPLE. JUST SAY THOSE WHO SHARE MY VIEW REPLY AND I WILL NEVER HAVE REPLIED. AND I AM NICE BY CHOICE NOT TO PLEASE YOU BUT JUST SO THAT THINGS DONT GET OUT OF HAND IF YOU SEE THAT ALSO IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT THEN I WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE POST AS I CAN SEE WE CANT JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE WITHOUT INSULTS.

  55. prianka said

    And you still dont want to apologise for your insults not one of you, i feel you see me as an enemy cause when i am genuinely trying to desmoke the air you say i am playing games. Why would i want to play games with any of you or try to please you ARE YOU MY GOD? Are you my provider? I might never meet you till i die so what will i benefit as a person from your opinion of me? We dont even live in the same continent and for all i know these might not be your real names so why do you think yourself as one that i would play a game with? I dont play games of ANY kind and i dont seek for favours from ANYBODY OK? i AM ME AND IF I DONT SUPPORT SOMETHING THE WHOLE WORLD CAN COME DOWN ON IF IT CONFLICTS WITHIN ME I WILL NOT BE DRAGGED INTO IT.

  56. John Kaniecki said

    There is a difference between judging and pointing out wrong and right.

    Anybody claiming to come in the name of the Lord Jesus must be held to the standard of the Word of God.

    Also remember Jesus freely associated with all kinds of people. Average people, soldiers, lepers, prostitutes, tax collectors, pharisees, fisherman and the list goes on. Whom did he criticize the most but the religious leaders who were hypocrites. Yes Christ said, “He who is without sin cast the first stone,”to the woman caught in adultry, yet this is the same Jesus who made a whip and overturned the money changer’s tables in the temple.

    “If the blind lead the blind they will both fall into a pit.”

    Love,

    John

  57. Rob said

    Prianka:

    “You win since you know what takes people to heaven keep doing it with all vigour and zeal and get to heaven ok”

    It’s not a matter of winning or losing. It’s a matter more serious – the use of scriptures to show the errors of these false teachers that shouldn’t be followed. I sense the heartfelt passion of Healtheland and Mike to admonish the call to expose these wolves in sheep clothing. I understand that completely. Yes, I do know what will take people to Heaven and you should too. It’s so simple the message of the Gospel that anyone who trust what GOD did in sending Son to die in on the cross and shed his blood as payment for our will go to heaven. You could add up all the “good” works for all mankind through the history of times and GOD will not accept it. Only what He provided, He accepted and when we place our faith in His provision, we’ll spend eternity with Him in Glory. On the contrary if we trust in what we do or add to what He’s done, we are doomed to spend eternity in Hell, separated from Him forever.

    Why does niceness offend you?
    Niceness doesn’t offend me. It’s people like you who think and say that they are nice BUT REALLY AREN’T. Are you boasting on your niceness? NOT GOOD Prianka!!! NOT GOOD.!!! Your meaness is revealed when you demanded apologies from others and when pointed out the lie you told on Mike, your refused to apologize. NOT NICE Prianka, Not NICE.!!!!

    Why must I join you in saying the Whites are sinning?

    BECAUSE YOU NEED TO DO IT…as Jude says “it was NEEDFUL for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 1:3

    BECAUSE YOUCAN SAVE OTHERS FROM BEING DECEIVED…”And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”

    When you “ CHOOSE TO SHROUD YOUR OPINION.”, You sin and disobey God.

    So when you say “And i will still say it LEAVE HER ALONE!!!”, I can not as it is better to obey God than to obey Prianka!!!

    “Are we playing politics i think my opinion is my right to shroud from you if i choose to do so, i do not owe either of you any explanation for my life.” – You’ve mentioned this idea about playing politics more that once. I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t think no one is asking you to give an explanation for your life (YOU APPEAR TO BE OFFENDED again), I do believe that we should…”[be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” 1Pe 3:15

    You bring up John 7:24 again. I really don’t know why you don’t get it. I know that Jesus was speaking and No, he was not contradicting Himself. I only used this verse to correct the ERROR YOU SPIT OUT when you said “We can correct but judgement is not for us.”. AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME, JESUS SAID WE CAN JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, this ACCORDING to JOHN 7:24!!!! (Go back and reread post 44). I wasn’t even asking you to reply.

    By the way, my name is really Rob. To say otherwise would make me a liar.

  58. Rob said

    Prianka,

    You talked about how Healtheland talked about “I”. Just in your last two posts, let me count the number of times you said “I”:

    “I believe i will get to heaven in Jesus name not by my power and not by my might.”

    “Why must i join you in saying the whiyes are sinning?”

    “i think my opinion is my right to shroud from you if i choose to do so, i do not owe either of you any explanation for my life and if i feel healtheland is being judgemental in his opinion HE ASKED FOR A REPLY and i gave it.”

    “you are free to your life and i am free to mine.”

    “I never said they did right and i never said they did wrong and i did that on purpose, because I CHOOSE TO SHROUD MY OPINION.” – WOW!!! How many “I”s is that?

    “i still stand by every post and if you see contradiction and fault with EVERYTHING I SAY then thats your problem not mine.” (There go a couple more)

    “I said speaking with the child and thats not overlooking.”

    “AND I AM NICE BY CHOICE”

    “I WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE POST AS I CAN SEE WE CANT JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE WITHOUT INSULTS.”

    “i feel you see me as an enemy cause when i am genuinely trying to desmoke the air you say i am playing games.” (There go some more)

    “Why would i want to play games with any of you or try to please you ARE YOU MY GOD?”

    “I might never meet you till i die so what will i benefit as a person from your opinion of me?” (WOW – an I and a me)

    “for all i know these might not be your real names so why do you think yourself as one that i would play a game with?”

    “I dont play games of ANY kind and i dont seek for favours from ANYBODY OK? “

    “AM ME AND IF I DONT SUPPORT SOMETHING THE WHOLE WORLD CAN COME DOWN ON IF IT CONFLICTS WITHIN ME I WILL NOT BE DRAGGED INTO IT.” (Wow again, a few more)

    Not Nice Prianka, Not NICE!!!

  59. am from africa,my comment l need a good wife from your ministry who is ready to marry me in who i am not what i am.i am a contractor and a student also.who is ready to settle down with good christian lady.

  60. kenneth friday: The issue is not whether you are ready to marry, but whether God is ready for you to marry. When that happens, God will bring your bride to you and you to her. The purpose of marriage, please recall, is to glorify God and so that the combined efforts of both partners in the marriage will be to complement and perfect each other’s ministry. In short, the reason for getting married should be so that you and your wife through your relationship will have more of God revealed to you so that you can use that knowledge and revelation to serve Him better.

  61. Fran said

    Rob,

    Where’s the love? Why would you type Prianka’s comments in the same manner that she typed her comments? You know that was deliberate. Don’t be cruel. Don’t run people away from this site. She may not leave a comment, but she might come back and read comments that could help her in her understanding. As far as the apology goes, I heard a wounded heart.

    Not Nice!!!

    Fran

  62. Rob said

    Fran,

    Where’s the love?…

    I tried to correct the error when Prianka’s said that “God calls us to correct, but not to judge.”

    Yes, I deliberately added her quotes because I didn’t want to misquote her. The reason why I referenced her “I” quotes in her last two post (I didn’t mention all her “I” quotes per her other posts) was to make the point that she was judging, even though she told others not to judge.
    I guess to do this is cruel, huh?

    I hope she comes back and read comments that could help her in her understanding. I hope even more that Prianka will know scriptures so to discern the evils of false teacher’s like Paula White and not say things like “Leave her alone”.

    For an apology, you heard a wounded heart, huh? You must have some very good ears.

  63. Fran said

    Rob,

    I’m not taking her side. I don’t even agree with her comments.Her comment, “I will not make anymore post as I can see we can’t agree to disagree without insults”, is what I was refering to when I said that I heard a wounded heart. I heard it with my heart, and not with the ears on the side of my head. The nit wit thing. You know, the nice thing (polite). People from other countries can’t always command the english language as we do. Patience. The light bulb didn’t come today, but who’s to say that it won’t later. Give God’s word time to work. Their is power in the word when we minister God’s word.

    Fran

  64. Rob said

    Fran,

    Sorry, but I didn’t see a wounded heart when she made the comment “I will not make anymore post as I can see we can’t agree to disagree without insults” – What I saw was a lot of “pride” in her statement.

    I tried to explain in my posts the “nit-wit” thing, as I mentioned that some followers of false teachers seem to defend these false teachers even more than these false teachers seek to defend themselves.

    I already addressed the “nice” thing. The point I was making was that she said people were offended by her niceness when she really didn’t display niceness at times.

    Why bring up the point about the command of the English language? This was never a point in all the posts made in our discussion. I definitely don’t consider myself as one who commands the English language and will not judge in this respect. Where are you coming from with this statement?

    Who is to say that the light bulb didn’t come on that day?

    Who is to say that God’s words were not working then?

    Yes, there is power in the word when we minister. I know that. You say that to say what?

  65. Fran said

    Rob,

    #14 It amazes me how all you nit-wits……. You called the young lady a nit wit.

    Goodnight Rob

  66. Rob said

    Fran,

    I never denied saying that. I even went on to fess up when Prianka accused Mike of calling her a nit-wit, that it was me who used the term (And as you know she who demanded apologies, never apologized to Mike for this).

    Again, like I said earlier…”I tried to explain in my posts the “nit-wit” thing, as I mentioned that some followers of false teachers seem to defend these false teachers even more than these false teachers seek to defend themselves.”

    What would you call a person who defends false teachers or say things like “Leave them alone” and other things referenced in post #51?

  67. Rob: I just call them what the Bible calls them personally. Stiff necked, rebellious hearts, lascivious, disobedient, sensual, hard – hearted, blind, in danger of becoming reprobate, etc. That way when people accuse you of speaking to them in an untoward manner, you can simply say in response: “All I am saying about you is what the Bible says.

  68. Rob said

    Healtheland:

    Thanks for the inspiration. Scripture can speak more emphatically that anyone can ever imagine.

  69. prianka said

    Rob you need to grow up thats all i can say. Bye.

  70. prianka said

    So if someone tells you to leave another alone does that mean i condone their acts or am a follower of false teachers? Like i said you need to grow up and get a grip of your emotions, you are not emotionally mature enough to moderate an issue as sensitive as this cause you will just keep grieving people. You are blaming Paula for causing offenses what do you think you are doing yourself? Holier thab thou attitude never got anyone very far.

  71. prianka said

    You can explain and coat your excuse all you want with scripture you have no right under the sun to call me or anybody in this forum for that matter a nit wit period. Stop insulting people in the name of correction or admonishings Jesus never told you to do that and if your pride doesnt want you to apologise that is your problem. Remeber a nit wit is a fool.

  72. prianka said

    Thanks for what inspiration? Inspiration to call others a fool? Please grow up i am begging you for your own good.

  73. prianka said

    Lastly Rob you said i am not nice, firstly i dont NEED YOUR approval of my niceness, this is a forum and in order for things to rub smoothly maturity has to set in, so that we can go to other issues. I did apologise for any grieviance i might have caused Mike POST #36 i wanted to talk on other things i might be able to learn but no you people wouldnt calm down you just want to show me how wrong i am and how right you are. So YOU need to stop lying to prove your point or make me look bad. You are not better off than me or Paula or anybody that in your opinion is false let God be the judge. I THANK GOD THAT GOD IS NOT A MAN. You are not in the position to condemn paula or anybody and you will never be. Let me make my point clear it is not in your power to do or say these things, the earlier you refrain from it the better for you. byeeeeeee

  74. Fran said

    Prianka:

    Come to the site learn, comment, when scriptures are given, get in the word and check them out. Pray before you study, humble yourself before the Lord, and aask the Lord for help. check the site and the very thing that you wanted to know may be on the very site that the enemy is trying to keep you off of. The enemy doesn’t want you to be blessed.

    That confrontation, let it go, even if you get a reply to your last comments. Did you know that if you don’t let go , you”ll be stuck where you are.Turn it over to the Lord. As long as you keep bringing it up you haven”t turned it over.This very well could push you to study and get understanding,blessing you and giving God the glory. Resist the devil and he shall flee.

    Love, Fran

  75. johnkaniecki said

    Talking in general offenses will come. It’s part of bearing your cross to take them, even when it’s personal. It’s an effective technique to humble yourself, you tend to get what you want more. More importantly it’s Christ like. No I’m not saying you shouldn’t defend the truth but one needs to know wisdom and when not to cast their pearls before swine.

    Humbling oneself disarms the aggressor. Turning the other cheek is not taking no action, it’s taking the wrong and then allowing the person to strike you again. Among other things it says “you’ve done your worst, so what, do it again”. I know one coworker who will quote the Bible, give me his interpretation and then refuse to let me speak. I just took the abuse. What was the alternative? Get into an argument and get mad and call him names. That wouldn’t have proved my point and would have hurt the relationship. Instead I took the abuse. Was I upset and angry? Sure, especially when I knew he was totally wrong, but I got over it. As time passed I had oportunities to discuss and talk over things with him. If the relationship had digressed these further disucssions would never had occurred. But perhaps the most important thing was the effect on my other coworkers. They saw the injustice and my response. They too have been lectured as well and understood my feelings. This has opened them up more to listening to me.

    Any good general will tell you that it’s winning the war that is important. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and give up a battle. Better save your resources for another day. Look at General Grant in the Civil War. He kept loosing the battles but ended up in victory. Don’t loose your credibility on the blog for some squabble. Christianity isn’t about making points in a discussion. It goes far deeper than that. Perhaps both sides are one hundred percent determined they are right. Haven’t you said what you wanted to say already. Is this behaviour edifying to God or to the blog?

    Love,

    John

  76. prianka said

    I agree with Fran and John. It seemed like a great site when i first came here but it turned out to be something else. You are right John its not about making points. Thank you for taking time to write me this post Fran and God bless you.

  77. Maybe Paula can start marketing some little tee shirts like Hannah Montana with her friend Bishop Noel Jones who loves to market things too. And they will get real rich off of Jesus! And they can get married so they don’t have to have a secret affair anymore.

  78. mark bias said

    Why did you choose not to publish my scathing rebuke about this woman?

  79. Job said

    mark bias:

    Where and how did you direct it? As a comment to this board, or to my email? If my email, to which account?

  80. dave said

    we should all be reading the bible instead of reading this blog 🙂

  81. Job said

    Dave:

    No, people should read and believe the Bible instead of Paula White and these false preachers.

  82. Job, as long as Dave says he should be reading his Bible during the times Paula and other vipers are on the air, instead of watching them, I have no qualms with his statement. Even if he says it in regards to my blog.

  83. Joh said

    Somewhere along the line this has seemed to have gone “off topic” i think it originated as These Showgirl Televangelist females “pimping” themselves to attract the crowds?? am i not correct??
    Nearly all of these Televangelist Females have one thing in common..that being they constantly go on about God giving them physical health and well being etc whilst at the same time.. rushing off to have their daily botox injection and having their “diets” prepared especially to maintain their physical appearance of the “ideal” woman…Gloria Copeland at 66 looks to be about mid forties Gloria being the kingpin of the televangelist movement has to look like what she is saying “can” come true and Paula is no better.
    They are all false,fake,fraudulent.. call it whatever you like.
    its quite simply deception of the highest order.
    they offer themselves as proof positive to their unwitting audience when in fact they are merely shells that are cosmetically enhanced frauds

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