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Demon Of The Day: Effeminate Men And Masculine Women

Posted by Job on April 4, 2007

A lot of people do not believe that it is sinful (and hence demonic) to act after the manner of the opposite sex so long as one does not engage in homosexual sex. The reason for this is something that I hammer frequently: Christians often look at sin and other issues according to how man regards them according to whatever “culture” or “values” that the world has instead of letting how God judges things according to the Bible be the only standard. If we can get worldly notions OUT of our heads and God’s Spirit INTO our hearts, we will see that what truly matters is not so much the ACT of homosexual sex (or any other transgression) but rather the nature, desire, or will to sin. Whereas the former may open the door to demonic oppression, that door closes as soon as the Christian renounces the behavior and repents. It is the LATTER, however, that results in Christians living in demonic spiritual bondage. No, Christians cannot be “possessed”, or indwelled, by demons, but they can be so heavily influenced by them to the point where they lose so much control over their own behavior that it is difficult to tell the difference. Or while they may be able to resist the lure and influence of the evil spirits, doing so exacts a heavy toll in terms of stress, concentration, and effort that distracts and hinders the Christian from being as effective as he ought to be in serving the Lord, and keeps him from experiencing the joy of the Lord which is his strength. Bottom line: Christians should pay less attention to what people DO and more attention to what they ARE. A person’s attitude towards sin is of much greater consequence in terms of their relationship and standing with God and their ultimate fate in judgment than is their actual sinful acts. Trying to control the latter is legalism and works, minding the former is not rejecting God’s Commandments. And know, I am not talking about “I know it’s wrong, but I am going to do it anyway.” I am talking about being genuinely repentant and having a sincere desire not to transgress in that or any other manner ever again. And again, note that such desire is not to be mistaken for fear or self – condemnation, but rather is a HOPE that God Himself will grant that desire to you spiritually THROUGH FAITH ALONE, and by no works, actions, or righteousness on your part other than resisting the enemy so that the demon tempters and tormenters will lose any legal claim over you and have no choice but to flee from you, and from the guardian angels that God has assigned all who love Him by keeping His Commandments and holding onto the gospel, the testimony, and His Word.

If we were making a bigger deal out of what the Bible says, we would pay attention to what I Corinthians 6:9 says about “those who make women of themselves.” (This would also, incidentally, make a woman who emulates a man’s masculinity a sin too.) Why? Consider the “homosexual”, or more accurately the person who commits homosexual acts. How often does that person actually engage in such conduct? Even if it is twice a day, then it is twice a day, and moreover the person commits the homosexual act (or the thief act, the murder act, or any number of other sins that “cultural Christians” regard as serious) as part of a conscious decision. Meanwhile, the man who is effeminate or the woman who is masculine commits this sin on a continual basis, and does so without even thinking about it as part of his or her habit and nature! And this is the same of people who are bound by lying, gossiping, dishonesty, and a bunch of other things that “cultural Christians” regard as mere character flaws or personality problems rather than sins. And it is PRECISELY why so many Christians desperately avoid and shun those who participate in the sins that the culture hates, but frequently indulge in and accommodate those that the culture tolerates. I have heard Christians say “it’s just a little gossip” or “it’s just a little white lie.” Never “it’s just a little carjacking” or “it’s just a little assault/armed robbery” or “it’s just a little gay sex.” We have to stop allowing the worldly culture to dictate acceptable behavior to us, folks. This is not to say that we should tolerate murder as much as we do gossiping now, and this is not even necessarily arguing for Christians to petition the state to change the laws. Rather, it describes the stand that we should take against sinful behavior to our fellowservants in Christ, and our willingness to offer support, prayer, counseling, forgiveness, spiritual deliverance, and love in humility to such people. If anything, we should preach against the “character defects” and counsel and correct one another concerning those – because these are the things that people commit much more often without even being conscious of it – than we should anything else.

So why is it a sin for one sex to emulate another? First off, is not the mere fact that the Bible explicitly calls it such in I Corinthians 6:9 enough? Christians should stop inventing sins that the Bible makes no mention of and even things that the Bible specifically says to do, and instead make every effort to know, trust, and obey the Bible. Second, it is given in a couple of places in Leviticus (here and here) that whenever one does something unnatural and thereby perverts the God – intended role or use for something, it is sinful. It is rebellion against God, and the person who does so can take on (or be given over to) a lifestyle or mindset of rebellion against God. This is what is spoken of in the very powerful passage of Romans 1:20-32, where Paul speaks of the wickedness of doing that which is against nature. Of course, if a person decides to go after God’s plan and his natural nature in one area, he will do so in many others. And as for society, tolerating people who leave their God – intended nature will quite frankly result in a culture that is totally rebellious against God in almost every conceivable way.

In its most simple, reduced form, consider the truism that God created Adam, gave Adam authority over the earth, and then created Eve, and made Eve his co – equal helpmeet. It was not a position of disgrace or servitude (though it regrettably became one in many cultures), but merely a position of authority and subjection to authority, just as the Son Yeshua HaMashiach willingly subjects Himself to Father YHVH, and the Holy Spirit willingly subjects Himself to both. God is one of order, and He has a reason for ordaining things as they should go. For a man to take on the nature of a woman, he is rejecting the role of authority that God gave him to instead emulate submission. And when a woman takes on the nature of a man, she rejects the role of the gracious willing ministry of service to take on authority that she was never intended to have. And we see the resulting chaos in families, communities, nations, and (yes) in the church.

That is right. You can go to virtually any church in America today and see an epidemic of men and women who have switched roles. It is so commonly seen and accepted that a large percentage of your males in the choir, who play musical instruments, and who preach from the pulpit are going to have effeminate mannerisms that no one speaks of it anymore: it has even become a joke. The same is true with the stereotype of the domineering controlling church woman, or the church woman who simply wants to dress and act like a guy and do what the guys do (again this is common among musicians and is becoming increasingly common among women who choose to preach). It is a spirit that got into the church, and the church did not rise up against it because so long as you weren’t actually committing homosexual acts, then you were supposedly fine. It took root, because a cause of confusion (not the only one but definitely one) as evil spirits always do, and because no one was resisting or spiritually battling against “the little things” because they were focusing on what their culture told them was “the big things” and in the course of that they lost sight of the fact that all sins are equal in the eyes of God regardless of whether humans regard that sin as having “a victim” or “having hurt society” or “being an embarrassment”, etc. Quite the contrary, churches, often lacking enough men (and especially men who desire to stand in positions of authority) have found masculine women quite useful, especially when it comes to “handling the (secular) business.” And effeminate church men? Not nearly as threatening or intimidating. Much less likely to cause offense. So nice and reliable. In fact, a great many of us find them entertaining! Church congregations LOVE how those guys sing, direct the choir, and dance oh so flamboyantly! And in the pulpit? The theatrics, playacting, and vernacular HAS THE CROWD ROARING WITH LAUGHTER!

But you know what, folks? Churches are not for convenience. They are not so you can come and feel at ease and comfortable. They are not so that we can be entertained. But that is what so many people want out of their church experience. Why? Because they don’t WANT authority. They don’t WANT anyone telling them what to do. They are RUNNING from God’s plan. They are RUNNING from God’s authority. They want to worship God how they please in the church and then go live however they choose to outside of the church, and churches where the business is tended to by women who act like men and the entertainment is brought by men who act like women allows them to do that. Why? Because of the respect factor. Women in spiritual authority do not command as much respect as men do (from men, women, or children), and of course no one is going to respect a man who acts like a fairy at all! You want to go to a church where no one respects the church leadership because the church leadership represents God’s authority, and you do not want to submit to or respect the authority of God in your own life. THAT is why no one has risen against men and women warring against their own natural roles right in our very churches.

You might ask how these spirits enter. Like so many other things, they really do start in the home, where children are harmed by absentee or abusive parents. If the father isn’t there, the girl child will try to take on the role of a man to try to help her mother and her siblings, and the boy child will take on the role of a woman, because he is so angry and hurt by the actions of his father that he hates his own masculinity. He sees the mother who stayed as virtue, and the father who hurt him by leaving as vice. Naturally he is not going to want to take on vice, so he emulates “the good parent” who is always there for him and never abandons him. And if the mother is not present or is unsuitable, then the nurturing and emotional stability that a mother provides is gone. The result is not so much that a girl will reject her femininity, but children of both sexes will grow up with real insecurities that will cause them to seek comfort and refuge. The girls will try to cover up their fears by “acting tough” so that no one will threaten them, the boys will try to accomplish the same goal by “acting soft” so they will BE less threatening. And this cycle perpetuates itself. The women and men who are injured in this manner who do not ultimately become homosexual or bisexual (and to think that we tell our kids not to act this way merely because it might lead to them becoming homosexual, and not because it is a sin in and of itself) often marry members of the opposite sex with the roles switched; the woman acting as the man and the man acting as the woman or as a child. This leads to all sorts of turmoil in the home even if they do not divorce (which they often do) which breeds even more spiritual problems and demonic influence over children along generations. This also happens when you have an effeminate man marrying a woman who desires to be feminine and wants her husband to be the leader that God wants him to be and that she and her children so desperately need but will not, and when a masculine woman marries a masculine man, and she will not submit to him and become the wife that God wants her to be and that he and her children desperately needs, but instead she is always neglecting her female duties to contend with him over authority in the family. This has now become almost an accepted norm in our society, and as a matter of fact many people actually look down on a home where the man, woman, and children act in a manner that is in keeping with the Bible and their natural uses and roles. People look at that and claim that the woman is being oppressed, the children abused, and that even the man is abused because he is not allowed to get in touch with his homosexual feminine side that all men are alleged to have, which of course is a lie. Those tendencies are not present in all men, but rather only in men who have through their sin and rebellion against God have either left or are in the process of leaving their natural affections and being turned over to a reprobate mind. Since this is an epidemic in our current culture, we wonder why so many of our kids are acting the way they do.

And of course, this is reinforced in the media. You do realize that the media will not portray truly masculine men or feminine women filling their natural roles because it offends homosexuals. Now I do not recommend this vulgar piece of trash, but the very reason why the movie “” is because it dares to portray masculine heterosexual men as honorable rather than as sociopaths, and it dared to portray women as appreciating the masculinity of their husbands! If you doubt me, see this link, which instead promotes the movie “” depicting pair of male figure skaters as the ideal for a manhood! And this is not to say that women are faring any better. I oppose the very notion of the “sex symbol” because it promotes lust and glorifies and empowers fantasy lust and other forms of sexual immorality, and you had better believe that one of the reasons why we are fast approaching a state as it was in the days of Noah that will be achieved before Jesus Christ returned as He prophesied it would in the gospels is because so many men, women, boys, and girls carry pornographic images in their head on a continual basis. But now, they have added abomination upon abomination, for at least in the past the female images that drove men to all manners of lust, sexual immorality, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, pornography, masturbation, and rape were those of adult women that men with normal affections would find attractive. BUT NO MORE! Now the media promotes to men and boys (and to women and girls who naturally desire to be seen as attractive by men and boys) an image that opposes womanhood! Instead, they are causing grown men to lust after teen and even preteen girls in the media, and even the grown women that they make “sex symbols” out of look like either preteen girls or little boys! If you think that a Marilyn Monroe, a Diana Ross, or a Charo would be hired as an actress, singer, or model in Hollywood today, think again, because the last thing that they want to do is develop anything approaching a normal mindset in our culture concerning human sexuality. Quite the opposite. They want the men to desire the image of a woman that looks like like either a little girl or a little boy so that he will be homosexual or a child molester, and they want the women to desire to look like little girls or little boys lest they aspire to grow up to look and act like anyone that any man with even a natural affection, let alone a desire to obey God, would want to marry and have a family with. In order to destroy the natural affection by destroying the family, Hollywood promotes men who look and act like boys and fairies (the homosexual actor  who died of AIDS was more masculine than practically any actor in Hollywood today) and women who look and act like little girls (see America’s #1 female sex symbol , who has been married twice, has two kids, is well into her twenties, and yet not only still does not look to be a day older than 15, but she actually acts even younger, nothing like any man in his right mind would want for a wife or to be anywhere near his children) or like little boys (Hollywood attempted to make a sex symbol out of , who has won Oscars for playing a female boxer and a girl who passed herself off as a teenage boy, but our society is not quite that depraved at this point in time).

The modern culture hates seeing men and women acting according to natural roles and affection. They even have a name for it. They claim that portraying men and women in their natural roles as being desirable in any way whatsoever is discrimination. They even have a name for it. It is called  I call it conferring a noble virtuous status upon demons of homosexuality, perversion, unnatural affection, etc. and the people who have willingly given themselves over to their wickedness. In other words, I call it SIN, and I call it SIN because the Bible calls it SIN, and the Bible calls it SIN because the Holy Spirit that inspired the Bible calls it SIN, and the Holy Spirit calls it SIN because the Ruach Hakadosh is subject unto Father YHVH who calls it SIN, and what Father YHVH calls sin is SIN, and furthermore it is going to be forever destroyed in the lake of fire on judgment day, and all who love and refuse to come out of this SIN with it! Everything that opposes naturality, which opposes the way that God made and planned, is abomination, and it is high time that Christians stop pretending otherwise.


19 Responses to “Demon Of The Day: Effeminate Men And Masculine Women”

  1. So here’s a theological question. I’m not sure it has any perfect answer.

    There is a growing scientific case that specific industrial pollutants mimic the effect of human hormones and so disrupt the normal function of the human endocrine system that, among other things, mediates human physiological and neurological development in utero.

    Persistent organic pollutants are forms of pollution that do not easily break down into simpler organic compounds and so they tend to enter the environment and gradually work their way through the food chain to consumed, eventually, by humans. Examples includes Dioxin and Polychlorinated Biphenyls ( PCB’s ). Many persistent organic pollutants mimic the chemical structure of human hormones with the following twist – they tend to mimic female, not male, hormones.

    This is something huge that Christians are going to have to come to grips with sooner or later : if men are being feminized and women hominized, it is very likely that human activity, via specific forms of pollution, is in part to blame.

    Persistent organic pollutants also build up in human breast tissue because they are fat soluble. In females, it has been shown that breast feeding decreases incidence of breast cancer, and that may be due to the fact that as mothers nurse their infants they are flushing the accumulated PCB’s out of their breast tissue….. into the mouths of babes.

    So if what I have written is true, doesn’t it follow, per your logic that human sex roles, male and female, are divinely ordained then industrial pollution is perverting or thwarting the will of God ?

    And per Richard Land’s recent speculation on the implications of research showing the biological basis of homosexuality, if some humans are indeed born with varying levels of same sex attraction, then doesn’t that imply that, in terms of your view that humans must engage in a spiritual struggle with same sex attraction, that some humans are born “more equal” than others ? In others words, if you define same sex attraction as evil but scientific research shows there’s a biological basis for such same sex attraction, doesn’t that mean that, per your beliefs, some humans are, in effect, “born bad” or even “born evil” ?

    So imagine that, as Richard Land suggested recently to great controversy, medical interventions in utero or shortly after birth, either brain surgery, hormonal therapy, or both, could align instincts perfect so that male infants always developed into adults with sexual desires towards females and vice versa, females always developed into adults who desired males… wouldn’t that mean that human agency, medical intervention, could remove an inclination that, in terms of your beliefs, consigns countless humans to a lifetime of struggle with “evil” to which, simply in terms of statistics, many of them in the course of their lifetimes will succumb ?

    Wouldn’t it be a matter of common sense, if one considers same sex attraction a evil impulse, for parents to simply “rectify” children determined to be inclined to such impulses rather than consign them to a lifetime of spiritual struggle and torment perhaps culminating in an eternity in hell ?

    If you have any doubt on the pernicious effects of environmental pollutants or their negative effects on children, try the following thought experiment; you show up at the house of a friend whose wife has just had a baby. You’ve brought a canister of very fine Lead dust and explain to your friend ; “I’d like to sprinkle this dust all over the floors of your house because when your baby starts to crawl around the dust will stick to your baby and keep bugs away.” How would your friend be likely to react ? Now, substitute a persistent organic pollutant, Dioxin say, for the Lead dust…..

    Would your hypothetical friend by likely to 1) welcome your suggestion or 2) chase you out of the house with a shotgun ?

    And, to make the point more explicit, what if you asked your friend if you could sprinkle powdered female hormones on the floor where his male son would soon be crawling around… if your friend said “yes” because he didn’t understand that might “feminize” his infant son, wouldn’t that imply that his ignorance of the possible effects of hormones on infant development would be to blame, rather than demonic agency, if his son grew up with some level of same sex attraction ? Or, if you insisted on demonic agency, wouldn’t that imply that your friend’s ignorance, his lack of basic scientific literacy, was “demonic” ?

    My general point is that the effect of industrial pollution on humans and on the environment is quite real, demonstrable, and although the process by which pollutants get produced – to increase industrial profit even though their long term effects are unknown – might be called evil or even, by some, demonic would it make sense to call the actual pollutants themselves demonic ? Or would human ignorance of their possible effects be a better candidate ? By the way I’m not, in asking these things, trying to draw an absolute matter/spirit distinction or preclude the existence of a spiritual realm.

  2. Bruce Wilson:

    Well, if you read the Bible, you will see that widespread homosexual and effeminate activity long predated our current environmental degradation. As a matter of fact, you do not even have to read the Bible; remember ancient Greece? And yes, the Bible also did predict the current environmental state in Revelation. What was it caused by? Men seeking greed, power, and money, which is commonly called the evil spirit mammon. So, even if the increase in homosexual and effeminate activity is not directly due to evil spirits, evil spirits that cause men to desire wealth and power are the root cause. Would not you agree?

    As for people being born with homosexual inclinations, so what? We are all born in sin. Men are born with the inclination to murder, commit fornication and adultery, to rape, to steal, to hate other races and cultures, to exploit the poor, etc. Let me tell you something: until about two years ago, I was addicted to Internet pornography. You had better believe that getting off that stuff was extremely hard, and that it is still a great struggle. But it isn’t as if I can deal with it by throwing my computer away, because I work in information technology! I even have to deal with a lot of the explicit pop – up ads and stuff while I am doing research directly related to my job and to Christianity. Another thing: I also used to be a virulent racist. Again, I am a black male that works in IT, so you can probably guess some of the things that I have to deal with. So if I have to resist spending hours looking at porn and going into angry racist rants like I used to, why cannot a homosexual resist his urges? Better yet: if a married man can resist his urges to commit adultery, or if a teenager away at college can resist his hormones AND taking advantage of all of the lonely, insecure, unhappy, rebellious, etc. girls and save himself for marriage, then a homosexual can resist his inclinations.

    The thing is that we are all under constant temptation to sin, and the Bible calls on us to resist that sin, no matter what it is. The only difference is that society tries to tell you that some sins are OK for you to give in to, and that has always been the case. Today, society says that it is OK to give into the sin of homosexuality; 100 years ago they said that it was OK to give into the sin of racism. And did you know that in some cultures it is OK to just up and murder people? And let’s face it: lying and gossiping are almost universally accepted, though they are just as sinful. The only reason why we believe that homosexuality is anything exceptional or special is because we have bought into A) conservative cultural forces that condemn homosexuality and B) liberal cultural forces who glorify it. What I am trying to do is to get people to go back to the Bible on this issue and view it as just another sin.

    As far as the environmentalism thing: hey, I am not against it. Now while “The Lord of The Rings” was not intended by J.R.R. Tollkein to be the Christian allegory that everyone makes it out to be, it was clear that he made a link between the despoiling of the environment and the despoiling of the spirit. You remember, how Sauron, Saruman, the orcs, etc. were big time polluters. I still remember the Bhopal tragedy, and refused to even consider a job offer from Union Carbide because of it. I am no fan of just dumping whatever you want to into the air and water or soil, I am no fan of injecting whatever hormones or whatever into our food supply, I oppose genetically modified foods, and I am no fan of the greed and lust for power that causes us to harm the environment (and the people who live in it) because of it. I am familiar with the research that states that pollution causes birth defects, miscarriages, cancer, leukemia, etc. I even deal with some of that stuff on my weblog, though I probably do not give it the attention that it deserves; when I do deal with it, it is more towards the issue of global warming. I am not 100% sold on global warming, but I make it clear that if it IS real, then it is due to the greed and desire for power by big business and big government. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to support big business or big government; quite the contrary! If you dump a bunch of mercury, arsenic, acetate, benzene, etc. into our drinking supply and people drink that stuff and get poisoned, that makes you every bit as much a murderer if you had shot or stabbed them.

    But the point is, my good man, is that we are all born evil, and moreover we are all born EQUALLY evil. That is according to the BIBLE. It is CULTURE that tells us that some things are less evil than other, or even that some things which are evil are good (remember “Wall Street”? “Greed is good”)? Were that not the case, God would not have created a plan to deal with the evil that every human is born into, and that plan was to send The Word Person of the Trinity into the world as His Only Begotten Son to pay for the sins of every man. But in order to benefit from that plan, one has to accept it. Tell me Bruce, have you accepted that plan? If not, would you like to today, right now?

  3. I like both Healtheland and Bruce Wilson’s comments, for they show that truly fathoming scripture, and reconciling it with the new knowledge that comes from living in a “modern” world isn’t always as simplistic as some would make it out to be. It shows that finding one’s way through life in a truly ethical manner, consistent — through the through — with the teachings of Christ, is not “obvious,” and that pigeonholing people that are “effeminate” isn’t really helpful at all.

    For me, I find it sad (although funny too, in a sad way) that so many focus in on that word “effeminate” as indicative of evil, and that some even go so far as to believe that the Scottish male tradition of wearing kilts is effeminate.

    I must also admit that I find it impossible to accept the idea that being effeminate — or simply not being “macho” (if you’re a man) either in appearance or mannerisms — is in any way the equivilent of other, more obvious and unequivocalsins: sins such as murder, swindling, cruelty, and judging others.

    I would bet that the author of the above article (“Job”), like many, would think that this attitude of mine is indicative of “opening the gates” to some sort of demonic or Satanic nonsense, but I don’t see it that way at all.

    Bruce Wilson really nails it on the head when he points out the obvious sin of industrial pollution, and not just with endocrine disrupting chemicals, either, but blinding substances like Paraquat (which is still manufactured and used in other countries), and the lekumia causing benzene etc. etc.

    Yet how many Christians really protest this degradation of the “third world,” as well as our own, or strive to free themselves from the chains of “consumerism” that drive it? How many Christian people or churches have pointed out the obvious sin of destroying nations and peoples, whether it was East Timor or Iraq, all for the benefit of the corporations and their state? — or of promoting unhealthy food, wasteful transportation, and discriminatory taxation — again for the purpose of creating and maintaining an elite of “refined” rulers?

    Personally, based on the folks that I have met that were gay, I would generally trust a gay person (depending on how intelligent and inquisitive and honest they were) more so than I would many of the so-called Christians that I’ve known when it comes down to real issues. It isn’t that I don’t like Christians (I consider myself one, based on the fact that I follow most of the principles of the bible, with little effort), and I find most of them “pretty nice folks.”

    Most Christians have a problem freeing themselves from authorities, and thinking for themselves. I don’t think this love of authority is natural. Other folks and their ideas are fine (one can and does learn a lot from reading and listening to others) — but I wouldn’t go so far as to let other people — whether preachers, gurus, intellectuals etc. do one’s thinking for oneself.

    To my mind, any teaching — whether subtly or openly — tries to create a sense of dislike or just discrimination for a class of “others” who are not actually doing anything to hurt them is insane. It is one thing to find practices and customs that are different from one’s own repugnant or “weird,” but never to condemn or outlaw it unless it is actually hurting someone.

  4. […] for the increase in homosexuality – especially among children – by messing with their hormones (see link here). My response to him? COULD BE! Whether corporate greed drives sexual perversion, or whether […]

  5. lindsey said

    Carry on, as soon we will all know the truth. you cristians lie about the truth of reincarnation. But that does not matter as it will not change it. All those men who abuse womens bodys and feet by makeing them walk around in restrictive clothing and bad shoes all because you think you have the right to do this because you are male. You will come back as a woman in another lifetime and suffer the same. You cristians think the world will end and all will be judged. There will always be a world like this for those who are not ready to move on to the next level. You will all be back time and time again!

  6. k. newnham said

    I have the misfortune to be a “masculine” woman. I have a body shaped more like a boy’s than a girl’s, negligible breasts, huge hands & a boyish face. I cannot wear “female” clothes because i look absurd, i look silly in make up. Girls don’t want me as a friend because i am not girly & men don’t find me attractive. I did not choose to be like this, your god should make us look clear cut males or females if he wants us to act like them. 
 You should read the scientific research which shows that the amount of sex hormone a foetus is exposed to in the womb determines whether it is adversely masculinised or feminised, creating the misfits you despise & wish to ostracise. Girls who are exposed to high level of testosterone are more male in appearance and behaviour, this has nothing to do with daemons. Do you discriminate against other imperfect creatures who cannot act like ideal humans e.g. the autistic? Religious people like to say that they stand up for the unfortunates of this world yet at the same time they want to “cleanse” society of those who don’t fit in to their pure ideal. In this respect they are no different to Hitler. 
 Also are you aware that 98% of giraffe sexual activity is male on male. Homosexual behaviour can be seen across the natural world from penguins to primates. I would argue that it is a natural phenomena that some people choose to make a social taboo because it doesn’t fit with their idealized view of how the world should be. 

  7. K Newnham wrote:

    I have the misfortune to be a “masculine” woman. I have a body shaped more like a boy’s than a girl’s, negligible breasts, huge hands & a boyish face.

    You like the rest of us are living in an imperfect world where sin dwells. It is because of sin that the things God created don’t always function the way they were meant; a body producing to much or to little of what it needs.

    You said:
    Religious people like to say that they stand up for the unfortunates of this world yet at the same time they want to “cleanse” society of those who don’t fit in to their pure ideal. In this respect they are no different to Hitler.

    I have heard Hitler claimed to be a Christian be he wasn’t. And I know of no one in the Church who wishes to cleanse the world of those whose bodies didn’t produce or did produce too much or too little of a hormone. This is a trick of the devil to cause you to frown on the very ones who are willing to help you. The evil enemy seeks to seperate you, then he causes fear and dread in your life, when the church is saying come, Jesus loves you.

    You said:
    Also are you aware that 98% of giraffe sexual activity is male on male. Homosexual behaviour can be seen across the natural world from penguins to primates.

    Beloved these animals are acting out of instinct. But God has given you a mind to choose. Humans don’t behave like animals. We choose right and wrong and whether to act a certain way. We choose to serve God, He does not make us. We choose to resist the devil. You choose to not let a problem with hormones handicap you, by trust He will fill your heart with joy. Homosexual activity is a choice when it comes to man. We choose to allow lust and desire to rule despite God having said to resist the strong feelings that come.
    Do you think Christians do not have problems? Do you think we don’t desire a wild night out on the town when our flesh lusts for it? We remember to old self before Jesus changed our hearts and we too can just as easily give in to the sinfulness of the human mind, but we say no. God is great and He will take this desire from us if I give it to Him.

  8. Kyle said

    Rev Pat,

    Great response Bro!


  9. David L. Williams said

    K. Newnham….I am so sorry you have been ostracised by “Christians.” It is true that so many of us have no mercy on those who are different thru no fault of their own. For now, it is not comforting that someday, those will be judged for their unkind acts. Yet this is coming.

    But at the same time, you must also know that you too will be judged. We often forget that Jesus prompted us to “overcome” in this lifetime. Some of us have different things to overcome, such as your complaint. But even those of us who are harsh with you have missed the mark and have not overcome as they were assigned to do. I pray that you see your assignment, and not be busy comparing yourself with others so much that you do not overcome.

    Every one of us is handicapped in some way or another, and we each must deal with it. Yes, those who look down on you are showing their handicap, and also are showing they have not overcome it. K., I pray you will overcome and become LOVE, personified, in spite of the evil done to you. DavWms

  10. tj said

    Everyone has a text–or hopefully–a set of texts from which each derives his or her truth. Some do this intelligently and some less so. On given issues, such as the above, intelligence mines out the master text and presents its best face. The essay by Job here is an excellent, intelligent response made on the Biblical basis, just as the others posted above are on their basic texts–call it modern science-based ecology. But I find Job no more convincing than I would an ancient writer who marshalls an intelligent exposition on the basis of the culture shaping his belief system. Nor to my mind does the counterargument from ecology really cut into Job’s explanation, which is anchored in its text which–as read by him–is impervious to such arguments. That’s the bottom line here–sticking to a master text and arguing intelligently from that, performing the rightness of that text (“rightness” for the writer and anyone allowing themselves to be persuaded by that writer). My point here is not about relativity but about prior commitment to a given text that occurs before any real exercise of
    impartial reason (which implies a willingness to shift allegiance if the case requires such shift). I am committed to THIS text: we all have a spirit and it is sheerly innocent and totally good. NOT sinful. Real exercise of impartial reason is unfortunately the hardest thing–as witnessed by the fact that so many today seem caught up in gods and god-views that are millenia old.

  11. Elizabeth said

    It pains me to read your demonetization of those whose personalities or mannerisms fall outside those typical for their sex. What about Deborah in the Bible? She lead the Israelites into battle and was one of the Judges, certainly roles that were masculine. And as for the “theatrics and playacting” that you say are feminine character traits, the behavior that God commanded Jeremiah to act out in prophetic display would certainly fall into this category. Please use your God given gifts to research, meditate, and teach on God’s truth in Christ and don’t get caught up in fantastical diversions that will cause hurt and division among his people.

    • 220lily said

      Well said! Deborah was a judge. Jael drove a tent peg through a man’s head. David was a singer, musician, and songwriter!

  12. Gmaw Pradeep said

    I bookmarked and also saved this article. thank you. i encourage you friend, to write an article on how christians take their salvation as granted and in most ways lack vigour and zeal for the true God. contrast heathen zeal with christians. the idea is – christians have zeal for God on paper while the un-believers, though not with much revelation and favour from God, have it written on their hearts. thank you, dear friend in christ. :-)Yosef.

  13. bb johnson said

    I believe that what the Bible says is true about effeminate or homosexuality, because there is no other standard by which to base my opinion on. What else are you going to believe, or whom else will you believe? someone born into sin as we all were, or divine scripture, written to navigate life by. I say accept Jesus,live life.

  14. palomaanderson said

    Thank you for the article !

  15. Anonymous said

    Please research topics such as xenoestrogens, phthalates, Bisphenol-A and other toxins that are in our receipts, cans, plastics, baby bottles, and more, that are causing the reversal in gender roles. Children are being poisoned as they are developing in the womb when parents ingest these toxins, and once they enter the world they are continually bombarded by synthetic estrogens commonly referred to as “gender bending chemicals.” Please read about this. Is it a spirit, or the result of people eating toxic foods that are altering and emasculating them and altering their brain development? A spirit in some cases, but the pervasive feminization is from BPA and similar poisons. This is a major cause of increased sexual confusion, gender role reversals, and transgenderism. It’s in the food, vaccines (?), etcetera.

  16. 220lily said

    When you talk about gender confusion (roles) in church, what do you mean? I’m female and I consider myself a preacher (online, written only). That role isn’t inherently male. Neither is worship (choir, instruments) inherently female. What are you talking about?!

    I wish you’d talk more about demons re: homosexuality. See my blog post “Gatekeepers.” I think gay/gender-confusion demons can get in through sexual abuse, laying on of hands, and probably even CPR. Orifices and limbs are gates to the heart! I’ve been observing a young Christian actor for a year now and I fear that something has happened to him spiritually that he’s not even aware of. He’s become effeminate in his face and mannerisms, even though he has a good relationship with his father. How did this happen? I have no answers.

  17. rebelgirl said

    Excellent! We need more Christians to tell it like it is, according to the word of God and stop being so wishy washy.

  18. Earl said

    Excellent assessment!

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