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Answering Common Objections To The Trinity Doctrine

Posted by Job on April 15, 2007

Link to Original Document At Contender Ministries

Though the doctrine of the Trinity is quite biblical, many Christians find themselves unable to adequately answer the attacks on this doctrine by other monotheistic religions such as Islam and Judaism, as well as polytheistic and henotheistic religions such as Mormonism and the Jehovah’s Witnesses (henotheism is the belief in multiple gods, but the worship of only one). Few Christian doctrines are attacked so viciously as the doctrine of the Trinity. This aspect of the nature of God is awe-inspiring and wonderful. As Christians, we should be prepared to explain it to unbelievers and to defend it against attacks. As you will see, most arguments against the Trinity are weak and unable to stand up to biblical scrutiny or an appeal to logic. If you witness to a Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, or a Muslim, some of these arguments are likely to come up, and it’s vitally important that you are able to give an answer (1 Peter 3:15), demolish these arguments (2 Corinthians 10:5), and contend for the faith (Jude 3,4).

I have covered the biblical supports for the triune nature of God in a previous article, “A Comprehensive Biblical Defense of the Trinity.” If you have not read that article, I encourage you to do so before moving on to this one. In it, I provide biblical proof for the following points:

1. There is only one God

2. The Father is God

3. Jesus is God

4. The Holy Spirit is God

5. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons.

 

Before addressing the most common objections, it’s important to make sure that we are starting with an accurate definition of the Trinity. Many who oppose the Trinity do so with a faulty understanding of the definition. Simply put, the doctrine of the Trinity states that there is one true God, and within that God there are three co-equal and co-eternal persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each Person of the Trinity is distinct from the other, but all three comprise one God. Various heresies arise when this definition is distorted, and I covered some of them in the previous article. Now that we start from a common definition, let’s turn ourselves to some common objections.

 

1. The word “Trinity” isn’t found anywhere in the Bible!

 

True enough, the word “Trinity” isn’t found in the Bible. A similar argument is used by theological modernists who assert that the term “homosexual” is a modern word that didn’t exist at the time the Bible was written, therefore the Bible can’t condemn homosexuality. I think most people will agree that the Bible STILL condemns homosexuality, even thought this particular English word wasn’t used in the Greek or Hebrew texts. Interestingly, the word “pornography” is similarly absent from Scripture, but we are still able to view the biblical teachings on sexual morality, coupled with Jesus’ teaching that a man who looks at a woman with lust commits adultery with her in his heart to recognize that pornography is sinful. The word “theocracy” is not found in the Bible, but the concept can be found there. The absence of a word does not preclude its teaching in Scripture.

 

Critics also argue that no single verse of Scripture clearly teaches the doctrine of the Trinity. While many single verses provide excellent evidence for the triune nature of God (see the previous article), it is true that this doctrine is not capsulated in a single verse or passage of Scripture. The Bible is not titled, “Christian Doctrine for Dummies.” It is sometimes necessary to look at the teachings of Scripture as a whole. When we allow ourselves to do that, we can see that the Trinity is quite Scriptural.

 

2. The Trinity doctrine is confusing, and God is not the author of confusion.

 

1 Corinthians 14:33 in the NIV states in part, “For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.” In the spurious New World Translation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the verse similarly states, “For God is [a God], not of disorder, but of peace.” Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons will frequently cite this verse when arguing against the Trinity. After all, the concept of a triune God can be confusing. They argue that such a confusing doctrine must come from Satan, since God is not a God of confusion or disorder. Yet such an argument is illogical. That humans cannot fully understand the nature of God simply means that we are finite created beings who do not possess the mind of God. The Bible is clear that such confusions are to be expected:

· ‘For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,’ declares the LORD. ‘As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.’” – Isaiah 55:8-9

· Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!” – Romans 11:33

· Now we see but a poor reflection; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.” – 1 Corinthians 13:12

 

Many aspects of God’s nature are hard, if not impossible, for the human mind to comprehend. For example, infinite concepts give me a headache. If I try to comprehend the concept of an infinite sum, I get a headache. If I try to really comprehend the eternal nature of God (without a beginning or an end), I get a headache. My finite human mind simply cannot comprehend eternity beyond the vague concept. I’m not alone in this either. While Jehovah’s Witnesses will use the confusion argument against the Trinity, they contradict themselves in other areas. In the Watchtower publication Reasoning from the Scriptures, they acknowledge this confusion after citing Psalm 90:2, referencing God’s eternal nature: “Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it.” [1]

 

As is so often the case in arguments by cultists and heretics, they have divorced 1 Corinthians 14:33 from its context to use it in the fashion they desire. It is vital that we read Scripture in context to gain a proper understanding of it. Let’s put this verse back in its appropriate context, including verses 26-33, 39-40:

What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace…. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.”

When placed in context, we can see that this passage is talking about how our worship should be orderly. Paul is trying to put the gifts of tongues and prophecy into their proper usage and eliminate the confusion that can result in a service when these gifts are used improperly. Just as there is no discord within God, so there should be no discord or confusion in our worship of God. Putting Scripture in context allows us to read it the way the authors (and the Ultimate Author) intended us to do so.

 

3. The Trinity is a pagan concept adopted by Christianity.

 

This is one of the most common arguments against the doctrine of the Trinity. I’ve heard it expressed often by Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Usually, the person using this argument has no evidence to back up this assertion, but on rare occasions they do. Unfortunately, it is equally rare that a Christian is prepared to “demolish” this argument. It can be done easily by an appeal to facts and logic.

 

The argument typically is expressed that certain pagan cultures, such as the ancient Babylonians and Assyrians, developed a Trinitarian belief in places far removed from the birthplace of Christianity and predating it by thousands of years. Therefore, it’s logical to conclude that these pagan doctrines were introduced into Christianity hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, this isn’t exactly true.

 

The Babylonians and Assyrians did NOT develop a Trinitarian theological dogma. Rather, they believed in triads of gods who headed up a council of other gods. In other words, whereas the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that ONE GOD is comprised of three co-equal and co-eternal persons, the Babylonians and Assyrians believed that three separate gods formed a leadership over other gods. In this, their beliefs more closely resemble the polytheistic/henotheistic beliefs of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. Mormon doctrine holds that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate gods in leadership over this world. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jehovah God created Jesus – a lesser god, and that the Holy Spirit is simply Jehovah’s active force in this world. These beliefs are closer to the ancient pagan beliefs than is the Trinity doctrine, which is strictly monotheistic. Moreover, the separation of early Christian development from these pagan beliefs with respect to time and geography make it highly unlikely that the pagan beliefs played any role in the Church’s clarification of the Trinity doctrine as found in the Athanasian Creed. This creed reads, in part, “This is what the catholic faith teaches: we worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit. But the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty. What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is boundless, the Son is boundless, and the Holy Spirit is boundless. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being. So there are not three uncreated beings, nor three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being. Likewise, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, the Holy Spirit is omnipotent. Yet there are not three omnipotent beings, but one omnipotent being. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. However, there are not three gods, but one God.” It should be noted that “catholic” in the early centuries was used to describe universal and orthodox Christianity long before the Roman Catholic Church existed as such. The creed continues in this manner. Athanasius did not fabricate this. Rather, he summarized the teaching of Scripture.

 

Association based on similarities is faulty logic. Pagans (and indeed practically all ancient cultures on earth) have a legend concerning a global flood. Does this negate the truthfulness of the global flood described in Genesis? Does this mean the Genesis account was “borrowed”? Of course not. The ubiquity of the flood story actually buttresses its truthfulness, even though other cultures don’t have all the details correct. Furthermore, some pagan cultures have a “messiah” legend that has similarities to the gospel. However, there are also differences in these stories. We can take joy in the fact that these legends haven’t the accuracy of the Bible as verified historically and archaeologically. Similarities don’t impart guilt. Therefore, similar pagan doctrines in triads of gods are not the same as the Trinitarian doctrine of Christianity, and it is baseless to assume that the Trinity was “borrowed” from paganism. It’s simply not true.

 

4. Jesus calls the Father, “the only true God,” therefore Jesus cannot be God.

 

This is an interesting argument often raised by Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. This argument, as we will see, is self-defeating for them. This argument refers to Jesus’ words to the Father in John 17:3, “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” Critics argue that the Father cannot be the “only true God” if Jesus and the Holy Spirit can also claim to be God. The thinking is illogical. First, Jesus’ words do not exclude the Son and Holy Spirit from also being the only true God. They DO exclude Jesus and the Holy Spirit from being separate gods. In other words, if the Father is the only true God, then Jesus cannot also be a true God and the Holy Spirit cannot also be a true God (distinguishing them as separate gods rather than simply separate persons). If we understand the true nature of the Trinity, we can acknowledge that the Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal persons that comprise the one true God, and John 17:3 does not counter that. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons believe that Jesus is a separate god, and Mormons believe that the Holy Spirit is yet another god. In the New World Translation, John 1:1 states, “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god” (emphasis added). Mormonism’s founding prophet taught, “In the beginning, the head of the gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it.”[2] Now if a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness wants to claim that this verse teaches that the Father alone is the only true God, then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must be false gods. If that is true, the teachings of the LDS prophets and the New World Translation must be wrong.

5. Jesus prayed to God in the garden, so Jesus can’t be God.

This statement has needlessly stumped some Christians, though not for long. It is a misleading generality to say, “Jesus prayed to God.” To be more precise, we should say that Jesus (The Son) prayed to The Father in the garden. While it is true that there is only one God, it is equally true that God exists as three persons – Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. During His earthly ministry and being subject to a mortal body, Jesus willingly endured the limitations of man. As such, it should come as no surprise that He communicated with The Father through prayer! This does nothing to diminish the deity of Jesus Christ or to contradict the monotheistic nature of God.

6. The Bible says that God is ONE!

 

This argument, which attempts to disprove the triune nature of God based on unity, is based largely on two verses:

 

· Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. – Deuteronomy 6:4

· “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one’.” – Mark 12:29

 

Deuteronomy 6:4 in the New World Translation says, “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.” We’ve gone into detail in other articles about the fact that “Jehovah” is not a word that appears in the Bible, but is rather a modification of Yahweh. One way to read the last phrase with some of the Hebrew intact is “Yahweh (Jehovah) our elohim is one Yahweh (Jehovah). The Hebrew words themselves are “Yahweh elohim echad Yahweh.” The NIV footnote for this verse lists a few possible ways to translate this verse based on its grammatical construct. Echad means “one” or “only”. Because of the construct, this verse could be translated as it is above, or as “The LORD our God is one LORD,” “The LORD is our God, the LORD is one,” or “The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.” I think the best of these translations can be assessed by observing the context of the passage. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses had just presented the Israelites with the Ten Commandments. One sin that marked these people was their habit of turning to idolatry (golden calf ring a bell?). As we read down in chapter 6, we see that this is still the focus and concern at this point. In verses 14-16 we read, “Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah.” This is a very clear exhortation for the Israelites to abandon their worship of multiple “gods.” Therefore, the most reasonable way of interpreting Deuteronomy 6:4 is “The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.” This establishes that only Yahweh is the true God. All other “gods” are false and must be rejected. Deuteronomy 6:4 does not exclude God from being triune in nature. Mark 12:29 is simply a recitation of Deuteronomy 6:4 with the intent of that verse intact – we have one and ONLY one God!

 

Yahweh is our elohim, Yahweh alone. In my previous article on the Trinity, I established Scripturally that not only is the Father Yahweh, but Jesus is also Yahweh. Similarly, the deity of the Holy Spirit reveals He is also Yahweh. In this article and the previous one, I have addressed some of the most common objections to the doctrine of the Trinity. The teaching of the Word of God is clear. There is one God. God exists in three co-equal and co-eternal persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of these three are rightfully called God, yet each is distinct from the other. The absence of one convenient summary of this truth in Scripture does not negate its truthfulness, nor does it mean this truth is not found in Scripture. God has revealed this wonderful truth to us through His Word. The question is, are we listening?

 

NOTES:
1. Reasoning from the Scriptures (Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1989), p. 148.

2. Joseph Smith, Jr., The King Follett Discourse (Salt Lake City: Joseph Lyon & Associates, 1963), p. 9.

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What Mormon Mitt Romney Is Hiding: A Survey Of Mormonism Versus Christianity From BeliefNet.Com

Posted by Job on April 8, 2007

See this link. “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims 11 million members throughout the world. In the U.S., there are more than 5 million Mormons. The church is headquartered in Salt Lake City. Mormons are officially referred to as Latter-day Saints. Mormons are officially referred to as Latter-day Saints. The name Latter-day stems from the belief that after the death of the early apostles, the Christian church fell into apostasy. The church needed to be restored in the latter days, which Mormons believe began in 1820.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was founded by Joseph Smith, who is considered a prophet by Mormons. He began receiving visions at age 14, in 1820, in which he was told it was his mission to restore the church of Jesus Christ on earth. When Joseph Smith was killed, leadership of the church passed on to Brigham Young. Young was responsible for leading Mormon pioneers west to Salt Lake City in 1847. Latter-day Saints believe the Bible is sacred (sure they do). They also include in their canon The Pearl of Great Price, which includes two lost books of the Bible (why stop at two?), a translation of the Book of Matthew (why only Matthew?), and the 13 Articles of Faith (interesting number!); The Doctrine and Covenants, a group of 138 revelations from God and two other official documents (which unlike God or the Bible ever changes and grows); and The Book of Mormon, originally published in 1830.

Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus is the Son of God in the most literal sense (yeah, sure, if they say so). He is eldest brother of all mortals (now we see where Creflo Dollar and their Word of Faith heretics got their beliefs) and firstborn spirit child of God (and where the Jehovah’s Witnesses got their’s too). They believe that from Mary, a mortal woman, Jesus inherited the capacity to die (Christ gave up his life), and from God, an exalted being, he inherited the capacity to live forever (John 1:1 clearly shows that Jesus Christ was and is pre – existing eternal being before Mary conceived him). Latter-day Saints believe that salvation comes through Christ’s atoning sacrifice (how?). But they don’t believe in “original sin” (then why do we need savior, and why do we sin, and by the way neither do Jews or Muslismor in human depravity (the heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9). Still, Latter-day Saints believe that fallen men and women do need redemption (why?). Works are a necessary condition, but they are insufficient for salvation (That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved Romans 10:9; Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace; Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God … but hey Jews, Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hindus, Buddhists, and Scientologists all agree with them, so that makes them correct I suppose.) More than 60,000 men and women serve the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as missionaries in more than 330 missions around the world. Missionaries are referred to as “Elders.” Latter-day Saints caution their members against using tobacco, consuming alcohol, tea and coffee. They interpret the misuse of drugs–illegal, legal, prescription or controlled–as a violation of the health code known as the “Word of Wisdom.” (Acts 15:29 only forbids eating blood and things sacrificed unto idols, and Paul’s epistles specifically contended against Judaizers who tried to have Christians follow dietary laws.)  Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, said the idea of “plural marriage” was revealed to him by God. Among early Mormon pioneers, 20-25% of families were polygamous. LDS president Wilford Woodruff announced an official end to the practice of polygamy in 1890. Read more about the LDS church and polygamy here. (I cut and pasted the document contents.) Joseph Smith, the church’s founding prophet, said the principle of “plural marriage”–as polygamy was called–was revealed to him by God during his 1830 study of Old Testament patriarchs and prophets who had numerous wives. In 1843, one year before his death, Smith dictated a lengthy revelation on marriage, including the possibility of having more than one wife, that became Section 132 of the church’s Doctrine and Covenants, a book considered scripture equal to the Bible. Mormon pioneers brought the practice with them during their 1847 exodus to the Great Basin. During the pioneer days, only about 20% to 25% of Mormon families were polygamous, according to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism. But the rest of the nation so opposed Mormon polygamy–Abraham Lincoln called the practice, along with slavery, “the twin relics of barbarism”–that the U.S. government refused to allow statehood for Utah unless the church gave it up. So in 1890, Latter-day Saints President Wilford Woodruff announced a divine revelation that the church was ceasing the practice. (That “revelation” was, at minimum, MIGHTY CONVENIENT, wasn’t it?) Although many LDS polygamists refused to abandon their plural wives and families at the time, since 1904 it has been Mormon church policy to excommunicate members who practice or openly advocate polygamy. Modern polygamists in Utah cite the Old Testament and D&C Section 132 as permitting plural marriage under certain circumstances and to certain men. They also contend the LDS Church erred–indeed, lapsed into apostasy–when it banned polygamy. Current estimates of their numbers vary widely between 20,000 and 50,000. (This leaves out how Smith taught that plural marriages were a requirement to advance to godhood, that God has multiple wives, and that Smith secretly married the wives of other men. I do concede that the Bible never explicitly bans polygamy, but it should also be noted that polygamy had long ceased to be practiced by Israel by New Testament times, and that far from having multiple wives Jesus Christ, Paul, and various other exemplary people of the Christian age never married at all, that several of the Old Testament prophets and leaders including Moses, Samuel, Jeremiah, Hosea, Ezekiel, etc. never married or had one wife, and even if the Old Testament law required us to do it – and it doesn’t – the New Covenant would have freed us from it anyway.) Mormons operate the largest genealogical library in the world containing millions of volumes of birth, marriage, death, and other records. In addition, the Church obligates Latter-day Saints to stand as proxies for their deceased ancestors in sacred rites such as baptism and eternal marriage. (Jesus Christ said that there would be no “eternal marriages” in Luke 20:28-37).

A chart detailing the differences between Mormonism and Christianity that Mormons now admit (there are many others that they keep secret):

Christianity Mormonism
Scripture: Most Christians accept only the Bible as authoritative scripture. Mormons believe the Bible is sacred. They add three other documents—-The Pearl of Great Price, The Doctrine and Covenants, and The Book of Mormon—-to their canon.
Creeds: For most Christians, church teachings stem from scripture. Leaders of the early church sought to specify the core of Christian belief in order to ensure the soundness of Christian teaching. At meetings in Nicea and Chalcedon in the fourth and fifth centuries, these leaders established the canon of scripture and proclaimed the basic elements of acceptable Christian doctrine. Mormons do not affirm any of the creeds as stated, though they share some of the theological ideas in the creeds. They believe that after the death of the early apostles, the Christian church fell into apostasy. The church needed to be restored in the latter days, which Mormons believe were begun in 1820, when Mormon founder Joseph Smith was visited by God the father and Jesus Christ.
Nature of Godhead: For most Christians, the Godhead is composed of three persons of one substance, power, and eternity—the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These Three are One. This triune God is without “body, parts or passions.” The LDS Church also teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost comprise the Godhead. But Mormons believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ have bodies of flesh and bones as tangible as human beings, while the Holy Ghost “is a personage of Spirit.” Mormonism also teaches that God the Father was once a man. He is married to a “heavenly mother” and is the literal father of all mortal spirits.
Christ: Most Christians believe that Jesus Christ was “truly God and truly man, in whom the divine and human natures are perfectly and inseparably united.” He is the only begotten Son of the Father, born of the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God in the most literal sense. He is eldest brother of all mortals and firstborn spirit child of God. He was Jehovah of the Old Testament but became Jesus Christ of the New Testament when he was born into mortality. They believe that from Mary, a mortal woman, he inherited the capacity to die, and from God, an exalted being, he inherited the capacity to live forever.
Salvation: According to the historic, apostolic Christian faith, salvation comes only by the grace of Christ, who “suffered, was crucified, died and was buried, to reconcile his Father to us, and to be a sacrifice, not only for original guilt, but also for actual sins of men.” Mormons also believe that salvation comes through Christ’s atoning sacrifice. But they don’t believe in “original sin” or in human depravity. Still, Latter-day Saints believe that fallen men and women do need redemption. And while works are a necessary condition, they are

Please note that this is from beliefnet.com, which is ecumenical and even advances atheism. (Beliefnet.com has Mormonism listed as a type of Christianity.) So, they had Mormons write this section, and the only reference to a Christian dissenter is the VERY theologically suspect Craig L. Blomberg. So, Mormons are not Christians. Their doctrine opposes the Bible on every point. And this comes from information not on fundamentalist Christian sites, but a site on Beliefnet.com written by Mormons, and even that includes a bunch of stuff that Mitt Romney doesn’t want publicly known: that he is a member of an anti – Christ cult that will fill you full of demons and take you to the lake of fire for eternity.

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Why Churches And Ministries Should Not Take State Money Part II

Posted by Job on March 13, 2007

 Here is an example of what I was speaking of in Part I. Yes, it is terrible that the ACLU is trying to stop an excellent Christian ministry from helping foster kids, and the result of their evil deeds will be the foster kids that they were providing love and stability to will now have the usual foster child lifestyle of going from home to home, often to foster parents who cannot handle them because of the state restrictions imposed on them and to “parents” who are only in it for the money and thereby neglect and abuse them. But ultimately, why is this a surprise? The ACLU is a Satanic organization, and Satan comes but to kill, steal, and the destroy, and especially likes destroying children, even the unborn. The real problem is that Christian ministries like these have not done enough to make themselves IMMUNE to the attacks of the enemy that will inevitably come, and will only increase in the last days as the combination of Yeshua HaMashiach’s glorious return will make Satan even more angry and desperate, and the increasing evil in the world and the weakening of the church makes him become even more bold and depraved. Kentucky Baptist Homes for Children is clearly a victim of Christian persecution, but does not the Bible say that the forces of evil will persecute the saints?

By their own admission, if the ACLU gets their way, this fine ministry will have to repay the state millions of dollars that it never should have accepted in the first place, and that will force them to close their doors. Now, of all these megarich megapreachers and Christian broadcasters who have millions, hundreds of millions, and in some cases BILLIONS of dollars in their bank accounts and at their fingertips, would any of them write a check to keep this place open? Well, if that were the case, these people wouldn’t have needed to be taking money from the beast (the government, which is to be part of the beast, read Revelation and Daniel!) in the first place.

Tom DeLay had many problems, but one of the (few) good things that he did was to start a Christian foster home that would decline money from the state. Churches and ministries need to follow suit, and quickly. The big churches and ministries need to start by reorganizing so that they are no longer tax – exempt; perhaps even petitioning Congress to create a low tax category for churches and foundation that are nonprofit but do not wish to abide by the regulations that they are certainly going to start imposing on nonprofits very shortly (i.e. “having to be in compliance with the civil rights act”). The smaller churches, especially the ones who already have part – time pastors for whom ministry is not their primary means of support, need to start converting to home churches. People, the battle is already on, and the enemy is getting ever emboldened. What Christians need to do is recognize the war and start fighting it. Christians in Muslim and Marxist nations already do this, so did the early church back when they were being persecuted by the Jews and Romans. Are we better than them?

Father YHVH in the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach, please lead your pastors and children to seek You for guidance concerning the future of their churches and ministries. Please may they realize that they are going to have to shortly change their operations in order to prevent being ensnared by the beast system; that they will not become complacent and be devoured by the spirit of strong delusion that will come into the land, along with it the false belief that it will be OK to change and compromise to accommodate the beast. May those who truly love You and are willing to sacrifice and face persecution to obey You and spread the true gospel of Your Son’s Resurrection and Deity stand up and do so. In the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach, amen.

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THE NEW YORK TIMES FAVORS BANNING CHRISTIANS FROM COLLEGE!

Posted by Job on February 13, 2007

Read article here. And of course, they found a bunch of “experts” who agree with them. Their line: if you are someone who believes in the Bible, you should not be admitted to graduate school to study science, even if you are willing to separate your religious beliefs from your academic work! This is a huge departure from the New York Times’ dogma in the past, which was that it was OK to “personally hold religious views so long as you do not bring them into the workplace or schoolroom, especially around impressionable public school children (as we CANNOT proselytize them, we should just let Satan have them!).” Now, they are making the statement that people holding certain religious views (so long as they are CHRISTIAN, by the way, not Muslim or Jewish or Mormon) should not even be allowed into certain fields, or fields of study. The hilarious thing is that the New York Times will not even call this religious discrimination! Christians refusing to vote for Muslims? Catholic priests refusing to allow pro – feticide and pro – homosexuality politicians to take communion? RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION THAT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED! Keeping Christians out of PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES solely because of their beliefs (and stating that Christians are INHERENTLY UNQUALIFIED SOLELY AS A RESULT OF THEIR BELIEFS)? While the New York Times pretends to “present both sides”, you can easily tell from the story which side they are on, as the people seeking to bar the schoolhouse door to Christians are depicted as more honorable and principled, while the Christians are depicted as dishonest. While they extolled the qualifications and accomplishments and morals of the atheists and anti – Christians, the best that could be said about the Christians was “he has good grades and does good work.” Of course, the atheists dominate the article and get the last word. Right now, it is just “earth science” and “paleontology” where the creationism debate is critical. Then it will be law school over your views on homosexuality and abortion, seminary school over your view that there is only one God and one standard of righteousness and path to salvation, then after that it will be pretty easy to bar the door to Christians entirely. Christians will then be effectively barred from entering those fields, but soon the “effectively barred” will change to “officially barred” because of, you know, discrimination, the need to create a harrassment – free work environment, civil rights and such, and we cannot have that with people going around believing that all except those who worship The Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit exclusively are going to hell; the mere presence of such bigots would cause strife. I mean, you wouldn’t ask a black person to work with a Klansman or a Jew to work with a Nazi, would you?

And funny how that JUST HAPPENS to sound like Revelation, where you will be UNABLE TO BUY OR SELL UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST (THE ANTI – CHRIST)! So Christians, keep on living in your fantasy world about how Revelation is just some big allegory, not based in truth. You need salvation through Christ if you are going to stand against the evil one during the evil time AND if you are going to go to Heaven. The Three Step Salvation Plan and become saved through Christ today!

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