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Is The Rider On The White Horse Of Revelation 6:2 Christ Or Anti-Christ?

Posted by Job on March 9, 2011

Revelation 6:1-2 reads “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”

The predominant view in modern western fundamentalist and evangelical Christianity is that the rider of the white horse is the anti-Christ. This was my view until very recently, when I read the John Bunyan allegory “Holy War“, which altered, or should I say enhanced, my view of Jesus Christ (more on that later), just as did reading “Pilgrim’s Progress Part 1” changed my view of Christian living and Part II changed my view of the pastorate and of the church.

Allow me to say that this article provides a good reason why the rider on the white horse cannot be the anti-Christ, which is that the four horsemen are released this eschatological figure is not released until the fifth trumpet. The trumpets do not occur until the seventh seal, and the white horse is released by the first seal. So, the white horse comes at or near the beginning of the events of Revelation (presuming a linear timeline with a literal interpretation) while the anti-Christ comes well into those events. Some interpretations deal with this by claiming that the reference in Revelation 6:2 is the anti-Christ’s laying the groundwork, placing everything in order, for his full unveiling to the earth that is described later.

Well, further arguments against the rider being the anti-Christ are given in this article. It deals with how those who propose that the rider is the anti-Christ deal with the fact that white is always used to represent Godly virtue by making the statement that the anti-Christ comes in this manner to deceive people into thinking that he is Jesus Christ. However, this interpretation requires starting with the idea that the rider on the white horse is the anti-Christ, and then making everything else fit, something often called thesis-driven analysis and also called eisegesis. If your starting point was neutral concerning the identity of this character, then his being on a white horse would immediately disqualify your  associating him with the anti-Christ. But if your starting point was his being the anti-Christ, that is when you have to contrive an explanation for the horse being white, one that seems to violate all rules and standards for hermeneutics used for other passages. The question is: “Why is this done?”

It goes back to one’s view of Jesus Christ. The rider of the white horse is given a bow and he went forth to conquer, and conquer he did! Modern, humanistic, enlightenment thinking does not permit viewing Jesus Christ as the Conqueror. That is, at least not until the last day when Jesus Christ comes to judge the nations for their wickedness. That is the one time that the modern church with its man-centered mindset allows Jesus Christ, who as God is the Creator, Owner and Sustainer of the Universe, to be viewed as a conquering ruler. (And for those who believe in the rapture, this happens when the church is already off the scene, and is spared having to deal with Jesus Christ in this role.) In the modern mindset, Jesus Christ can be viewed as the sacrificial lamb, advisor, “co-pilot”, best friend, psychiatrist/psychologist, enabler, helper, moneychanger (prosperity doctrine), mystic/shaman, errand boy, and even romantic lover, but NOT as a conquerer. This stark, authoritarian, militaristic view runs counter to the modernistic Jeffersonian view that exalts such ideas as civil rights, human rights, democracy etc. above all, and needs a Jesus Christ that will bow and be conformed to it. Thus, Jesus Christ as conquerer cannot exist in the mind of the modernist/postmodernist Christian except for a single day when He is forced to execute that role with respect to the wicked. With the exception of that day, Jesus Christ remains in a construct that the modern mind finds acceptable. And according to that construct, where conquest to set up authoritarian rule is undemocratic is evil, this HAS to be the anti-Christ!

It cannot be Jesus Christ according to this mindset, because this mindset makes Jesus Christ a democrat. This Jesus Christ does not conquer. No, this Jesus Christ is standing outside the human heart like a lovesick teenage loverboy knocking on the door waiting, longing, begging for His sweetheart to come in. And it is only when the person that Jesus Christ’s target makes the free will decision to open the door to his or her heart and invite Jesus Christ in that salvation occurs.

For this to happen any other way, uninvited, unasked, and without consent, is tyranny. For Jesus Christ is not a sovereign king who rules by way of His undisputed dominion over the creation that is the work of His own hands for Him to do as He pleases. No, that is tyranny. Such rule is illegitimate, based on the threat of force rather than the consent of the governed! A true, enlightened philosopher king governs not by power or divine right, but by mutual consent! So, the one who stands at the door and knocks and will not come in without the consent of the “pilot” (for Jesus Christ is merely the co-pilot, not the actual pilot who is running the show and is the true master of eternal destiny, which is man’s free will) is Jesus Christ, the genuine article. The conquerer who does not ask permission, who does not gladly (though under submission) come when asked and does not meekly leave when rejected? Now that has to be the anti-Christ! So says the modern Christian mindset.

Thankfully, John Bunyan did not live in modern Enlightenment times! Therefore, Bunyan presents a different Jesus Christ, one that is actually present on the pages of the Bible before all the modern humanist filters and constructs are placed on it. Bunyan’s rather rough allegory presents a kingdom ruled by Shaddai (God the Father), whose most prominent and prized possession is the city Mansoul, which was built by the King Himself. While the modern mindset reared on democracy would revile the idea that a city is the possession of any king, A) this was in fact the custom of monarchs in times past – the kingdom and all in it were their possessions, and in the east the subjects of the “lord-kings” were considered slaves to the lord-king, and remember the Bible is an oriental book, not a western book and B) the Bible was fully written in the mindset of this custom. Mansoul rebelled against King Shaddai due to the provocation and trickery of Diabolus (Satan) and made Satan its king instead, under the false pretense that they could exchange status as slaves under King Shaddai’s rule to free men under his rule. Of course, Diabolus immediately made the residents of Mansoul his slaves, but so thoroughly corrupted and tricked them that they mistook the slavery of Diabolus and sin for liberation. Their delusion was so strong that when King Shaddai sent His captains (difficult to tell in the allegory, my guess is that they are angels) to liberate Mansoul from Diabolus, they resisted with all their might. The story was explicit: when Mansoul was given a multitude of opportunities to make a free will choice for King Shaddai, they rejected King Shaddai each time due to the depths of their depravity.

So, King Shaddai sent His Son, Prince Emmanuel, to recapture Mansoul. In this allegory, Emmanuel did not conquer Mansoul by standing at the door knocking and being invited in. Quite the contrary, He came with an army of soldiers and overcame the recalcitrant Mansoul, who resisted Him with all the force that it could muster – as it was still dedicated and devoted to Diabolus and its own sinful passions – with mighty force. Make no mistake, in this allegory, “and he went forth conquering, and to conquer” Mansoul! After the conquering of Mansoul was done, Prince Emmanuel had the entire town confess that He took the town for Himself as His prize by force; that when the town had the chance – indeed several chances – to yield itself up to the government of the Prince and His Father by choice, they refused each time. So, Mansoul chose the rule of Diabolus, and Prince Emmanuel gained the rule of Mansoul only by overtaking Diabolus, binding him, driving him out, and “spoiling the goods of the strongman” by declaring and setting up His own rule and domain – and through it re-establishing the same of King Shaddai – by force. Mansoul had no say in the matter, because Mansoul, by decree, election and will of God the Father its Owner and Creator – had declared it to be so. Mansoul did not choose Prince Emmanuel, but Emmanuel chose Mansoul (John 15:16).

Now, Jesus Christ as He is commonly depicted in most modern gospel music is not the rider on the white horse. But Jesus Christ as depicted in Holy War and in the Bible may well be. If nothing else, it is something to consider. Another thing to consider: why would the anti-Christ have to go about conquering the world to begin with? According to the words of Jesus Christ, Satan is already the prince of this world (John 14:30)! 2 Corinthians 4:4 declares Satan to be the god of this world, Ephesians 2:2 declares him to be the prince of the powers of the air. So, the anti-Christ does not need to conquer the world. All he needs is to have Satan’s authority transferred to him. Revelation 13:2 says exactly that: “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.” Further, Revelation 17 says that the rulers of the earth GIVE their power to the beast, NOT that he conquers them and takes it from them by force.

This may seem like idle speculation, or an excessive emphasis on “last things” when other issues concerning orthodoxy and orthopraxy are more pressing: “minoring in the majors.” However, one’s view of last things often casts a shadow on one’s belief. Many theological liberals and “moderates” de-emphasize predictive prophecy because of an anti-supernatural bias. Others use apocalyptic texts to promote the political and social causes that are near and dear to them. And many Christians are attracted to the rapture doctrines because of their desire not to suffer persecution and rejection by the world as Christ suffered the same.

In a similar fashion, the idea that the anti-Christ is the conquerer on the white horse reveals the mindset of a great many Christian theologians, preachers, and laymen concerning the doctrine of original sin. So many Christians SAY that they believe in original sin, or even total depravity, but by adhering to such interpretations as this, it really does imply otherwise. If original sin is true, if total depravity is true, then why is it that Jesus Christ comes only by willing invitation, and the anti-Christ only by force? Is that not backwards? If the anti-Christ, the beast is “the man of sin”, then the fallen, wicked world, if it is not his already, will freely, gladly accept him as one of their own, a kindred spirit! Again, why would a sinful world oppose and resist a man of sin? Why would they not accept him and instead need to be conquered by him? Only if there is some inherent virtue, inherent goodness in him that would cause him to resist the evil rather than accept it.

The idea that the anti-Christ would have to conquer is based on the notion that man is basically good; that the nations are basically good. And is that not what so many seem to adhere to because of their political, cultural and social beliefs? That the nations – especially the pro-western capitalist democracies – are good, and only the exceptions – the anti-democratic, anti-western, authoritarian regimes – are bad.

Isn’t it curious how most of the theories about where the anti-Christ will come is from the “bad” nations? First it was from the “bad” communist regimes. Then it was from the “bad” secular humanist socialist United Nations or European Union. Now speculation centers on the “bad” Islamic regimes. The idea that the anti-Christ could come from – gasp! – America, the shining city on a hill, the nation founded on Christianity and is a beacon of freedom and goodness? Well, MAYBE, but only if he is not really one of us like Obama!

Again, it is based on the idea that there is some inherent virtue in man, and some inherent virtue in what man builds. It is based on a rejection of original sin, a rejection of total depravity. Even the very idea that Satan takes over the earth and installs the anti-Christ only when the church departs after the rapture is based on the notion that Satan is not the god of this world at present! Ironically, people who adhere to this belief are de facto amillennalists believing that rather than being the god of this world in this present age, Satan is currently bound by the church’s presence.

So many Christians who profess to be evangelical or fundamentalist and profess a belief in original sin based on the actions of Adam only apply that doctrine to soteriology. They only apply mankind’s fallen nature to the individual human soul! But when it comes time to apply it to a larger scale, they shrink back! Why? Because of their love of this present world and the things in it! To those people, James 4:4’s “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God” applies to liking MTV and the New York Times editorial page and not the entire fallen worldly system! The parts of the world they like, they consider it good, moral, even Christian. It is only the part that they are alienated from, usually because of political or cultural considerations, that they consider to be “worldly.”

But go back to the text and view it in context. Yes, Revelation concerns the last days. But the letter to the Hebrews – and elsewhere in the New Testament – declares that the last days began after the work of Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of God’s plan and the high point of the history of creation. So, the last days – the time period that Revelation concerns itself with – is not merely the last seven years, the “great tribulation.” Instead, it concerns itself with the entire endtimes, which is now, and has been since Pentecost. That is why the letters to the churches are the first part of the Revelation. They are not introductory material to set the stage for the eschatology. Instead, they are part and parcel of the eschatology!

In that context, note that the white horse and its rider come first. It is the first seal! So, after the heavenly visions in Revelation 4-5, the white horse and its rider are the first thing that we encounter when the events shift back earthward in Revelation 6. So, why not strongly associate the white horse and rider with Jesus Christ speaking to and walking amongst the churches in Revelation 2-3? Were the material in Revelation to be arranged topically (i.e. with the things happening in heaven all together and the things happening on earth all together), that is exactly how it would appear … Revelation 6:1-2 would immediately follow the challenge to the Laodicean church!

So then, why not consider the possibility that the rider on the white horse given the bow and the crown and goes about conquering (and as this article states he does not obtain or use these things illegitimately in a manner that is against God’s will … such ideas are missing from the text) is going about to foreign lands conquering souls of sinners for God the Father? Did not Jesus Christ say in the Olivet discourse (i.e. Matthew 24:14) that the end will not come until His gospel is preached in all the world for a witness to all nations? Well, in Revelation 6, though it is certainly the last days, the end is not yet come! So, me must consider that the rider on the white horse is none other than Prince Emmanuel enlarging the domain of King Shaddai through the conquest of souls in every tribe and nation that are hardened with the total depravity of original sin.

Granted, this article does state that the rider is the Holy Spirit, not Jesus Christ. I disagree, but for my purposes the distinction is not a great one, as Jesus Christ sent the Holy Spirit in His Name to complete His Work through the church which is Jesus Christ’s Body, and the Holy Spirit is the One who performs regeneration. Instead, the main point is to consider the strong possibility that man-centered, humanistic thinking is the reason why the rider on the white horse was ever called the anti-Christ to begin with, especially when one has to be very inconsistent in one’s interpretation of Revelation and the Bible in general to arrive at that viewpoint.

Of course, the main point is that Jesus Christ is returning to judge the world and all its people for their wickedness. The only way to escape this judgment that is certainly to come at a time in the future that has been predetermined by God the Father is to be saved through Jesus Christ. If you have not been, I urge and entreat you that you would be so; that you too would be a conquest of Jesus Christ as was I.

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National Religious Broadcasters Using Oneness Modalist Heretic TD Jakes To Get Out The Vote

Posted by Job on May 12, 2008

Driving to work this morning viewing the effects of the terrible thunderstorms that spared my neighborhood but hard hit the one right next to mine, I was listening to Christian radio. Out of the blue comes TD Jakes’ booming voice. In it, he first speaks of how much he loves America and so forth. I immediately thought of Jakes doing this to exploit anger over Barack Hussein Obama, Michelle Obama, and Jeremiah Wright’s considerably less than jingoistic statements and actions. Then he went into his exhortation spiel for people to register and get out to vote. 

First, I see Lifeway Bookstores, owned by the Southern Baptist Convention, selling TD Jakes’ doctrinal error (oneness pentecostalism and the Word of Faith/prosperity doctrine are but a few of his MANY problems) and now the National Religious Broadcasters are using this guy. I had been using the NRB as a sort of a refuge from the blatant charismania that you will find on The Word Network, Trinity Broadcasting Network, Daystar, etc. So I just ignored the heavy Pat Robertson presence on the channel, as well as their “white Europeans are the descendants of the children of Israel … the Danube River is so named because of the tribe of Dan” show that comes on early in the morning. I also ignored their embrace of the Ellen White Seventh Day Adventist cult. So I suppose that I cannot cast NRB aside on Jakes’ account, since the ones that I just named are hardly better – if anything some might be worse – or else I would be reacting out of a personal dislike for Jakes rather than on principle. (On the other hand, Slice of Laodicea has criticized NRB, albeit for different reasons, such as this post stating that not one red cent of NRB’s $5 BILLION IN ASSETS is being used to defend the faith from Oprah Winfrey.)

Incidentally, speaking of TD Jakes and PR spots, he has another one out (I did not catch the sponsor!) promoting single sex education, saying that “boys need their own schools so that they will be able to, you know, romp and stuff (his choice of words not mine!) and that boys learn differently from girls and needed their own classrooms in order to be accommodated. So … it looks like Jakes is not that far removed from Jeremiah Wright’s separatist doctrines after all? 

I have to be honest, back when I was part of the religious right and allowing my worldview to be shaped by the Washington Times and the National Review, I was in full agreement. But now … I just recall reading about this inner city public school that went all male. Sure, the discipline problems decreased and the test scores went up. But when they interviewed the boys that attended the school, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WANTED THEM TO BRING THE GIRLS BACK! Why? Because, er … BOYS LIKE GIRLS! Or at least they are supposed to anyway. Perhaps now that T.D. Jakes is on board with the new world order’s gay rights agenda (and yes this is relevant … perhaps due to his son) he thinks it is OK. To me, the whole single sex education thing … who wants it? Certainly not the kids. Not the administrators or teachers. Parents go for it only because they are desperate for any hook or angle to improve the failing school systems that the government is ruining on purpose. Not even the old fashioned religious sorts – of which I am one – think that it is a good idea anymore, where you were supposed to keep boys and girls separate in their little boarding or finishing schools (where they were supposed to look OH SO CUTE in their little uniforms I guess) UNTIL GRADUATION DAY WHEN YOU MARRY THEM OFF.

Sorry people, but society has changed. Not all of the changes have been for the good, but methinks that one of the most important things for a boy to learn from school is how to treat a lady and how to behave yourself in their presence. For some of us guys, those things do not come naturally, and you only learn them through trial and error. Especially error. (If you don’t learn to handle competition and rejection in junior high and high school, how on earth are you supposed to handle being turned down for jobs, promotions, college choices, etc. later in life?) So … HOW ON EARTH ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO LEARN THOSE THINGS IF THERE ARE NO GIRLS AROUND TO LEARN THEM FROM? 

Like I said, TD Jakes may have his own reasons for wanting to turn your local public school into Morehouse College or similar, and whatever they are I oppose them 100%. All the more reason why the Southern Baptist Convention should not be selling this guy’s books and NRB shouldn’t be using him for their get out the vote campaign. But I suppose that this oneness anti – Trinitarian heretic is just too good at making money and moving public opinion for these people to pass up. That is, unless they are actually along with Jakes, on his side. After all, the Southern Baptists refuse to do anything about the likes of New Age heretic Erwin McManus and Council on Foreign Relations worker Rick Warren (and Richard Land too?), and as stated earlier, Al Sharpton Al Gore global warming propagandist partner Pat Robertson is a major partner with the NRB. 

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Jesus Camp: Bewitching Our Children With False Doctrines

Posted by Job on April 29, 2008

When I first started this website, I enthusiastically endorsed Jesus camps, thinking that they were an excellent way to turn children into spiritual warriors – as it WAS initially a charismatic spiritual warfare site – from an early age. Well … WOW WAS I WRONG! Jesus camps use the evil combination of spiritually seductive charismatic slain in the spirit frenzy and dominion theology politics. Instead of teaching children to pray for their enemies, to show kindness to the poor and elderly people, to interpret the Bible and discern doctrines, to worship and praise the Lord in a dignified manner becoming His glory, and to exhibit the fruits of the Holy Spirit, these folks are feeding these children false Christian doctrines and fascist notions of merging church, state, culture, etc. that will makes any of them that internalize this spiritual evil easy pickings for the anti – Christ and moreover very willing workers in the plot to create the climate where the man of sin will take power. The more things like this come out, as well as things with the Jesus Seminar, Mike Huckabee, Jeremiah Wright … Bible believing Christians have to start speaking out. There is something seriously wrong with both the religious right and the religious left, and we have to start boldly opposing it with the Word of God.

Watch this video below and pray for these children … and for their parents. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7157148037183248346

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Homeschoolers Launch Alternative to Film School and Hollywood

Posted by Job on March 2, 2008

My note: I have long criticized Christians that complain about the losing the culture war are hypocrites. Why? Because they DO NOT do things like this. It is also interesting that they are following the lead of Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, who exposed these religious right phonies for what they were by making two movies, Flywheel (the better of the two) and Facing The Giants (also pretty good), for less than $150,000 apiece using local talent – including church members – and the same equipment that they use to film their services. That is right, Sherwood Baptist made two movies, one of which was distributed by Sony and made $13.5 million dollars (of which its maker and the church received virtually none, though it did result in a distribution deal for the church’s subsequent movies, one of which is filming right now) for a tiny percentage of the money that these people that can be described by using the preferred term of Melvin Jones (though I myself personally refrain) throw away on SOME of their fancy cars, homes, furs, diamonds, ANTIQUE TOILETS (Joyce Meyer), and some of the other types of things that appear in the Charles Grassley megapreacher investigation (which I initially did not support but was convinced that it did involve abuse of the 501c3 laws, which churches should not be submitting to state regulation under in the first place). Even better: A FRACTION of the hundreds of millions that is raised and spent in all of these “reclaiming America” religious right political activities, including the $1 million that was raised for Mike Huckabee’s FAILED presidential campaign in Kenneth Copeland’s pulpit, COULD BE USED TO PRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE DOZENS OF QUALITY CHRISTIAN FILMS A YEAR! Now I do have some issues with Patrick Henry College that I will not go into, but they nonetheless are demonstrating by their own works how the religious right is nothing but a spiritual deception. Just about the only conservatives that have actually done something other than use the culture wars as an extortion racket are Philip Anschutz, the Colorado billionaire that has produced several family – oriented major motion pictures, and Oregon billionaire Robert Pamplin, who produced children’s videos. Even there, Anschutz’s movies do not reflect or support Christianity in any sense (even the amorphous “Christian values”), and Pamplin’s videos, including most notably Bibleman (whom Pamplin sold off to Thomas Nelson, the venerable Bible publishing house now owned by a secular company) were only marketed to Christians. Now I am not holding this against all Christians, for if there is a case that the Bible commands Christians to make and distribute movies, you will have to find someone else to make it. (I only propose that the Bible certainly does not FORBID such a thing, and that if done correctly it can win people to Jesus Christ and edify the faithful. IF done correctly, as The Passion Of The Christ and virtually anything produced by TBN’s film studio would not qualify.) I am only speaking of the people whose (VERY LUCRATIVE) profession has been to tell everyone about how Hollywood is perverting the world for the past 30 years. You liars, thieves, frauds, sinners, generation of vipers, woe unto you for Patrick Henry College, despite all of their problems, is exposing you for what you are!

Homeschoolers Launch Alternative to Film School and Hollywood

Homeschoolers Launch Alternative to Film School and Hollywood
by Press Release : Feb 29, 2008 : Advent Film Group, Christian Newswire adventfilmgroup.com/Home.html

“We are training students who will one-day direct big-budget films with moral integrity and fidelity to a Biblical worldview.”

Come What May filmAdvent Film Group (AFG), a new film company founded by homeschoolers recently completed “pickup” filming of their first movie, Come What May in Purcellville, Virginia. The movie has garnered wide attention because it features Patrick Henry College (PHC), a national powerhouse in debate and moot court competition. The movie centers on two PHC students who battle to overturn Roe v. Wade at the National Moot Court Championship. They are coached by Dr. Michael Farris, the real-life founder and Chancellor of PHC and a high-profile homeschooling advocate. This is the first of five movies planned by Advent.

With a cast/crew of 40 homeschooled students led by film professionals, AFG’s movies are similar to Facing The Giants in scale, budget, and aspirations. AFG’s national network of supporters, now several hundred homeschooling families strong (and growing); will help promote the film’s release in late Spring 2008.

Homeschooled students and their parents, interested in rebuilding culture for Christ in cinema, have sought out AFG as an alternative to film school. “This fulfills part of AFG’s mission,” says Ex-Discovery executive and AFI producing fellow George Escobar, a homeschooling dad. “We are training students who will one-day direct big-budget films with moral integrity and fidelity to a Biblical worldview.”

Unlike film schools where students pay large tuitions to make short or student films, AFG productions are feature-length from the start, giving the completed film immediate market value. AFG actually pays college students a small stipend even as they are trained, earn professional credits, and receive profit-participation points.

Escobar explains, “We’re doing this because film schools aren’t working sufficiently for Christian filmmakers.” Escobar claims, “The status-quo is clearly broken, otherwise big-budget faith-based or Christian-authored movies like Amazing Grace or Narnia would be directed by Christian directors, unless you finance the film yourself as Mel Gibson had to do for Passion of the Christ.”

AFG is also building a movie distribution system from within the homeschooling, pro-life/pro-family communities. Rather than sharing film revenues strictly with traditional distributors, AFG seeks to channel movie revenue into Christian and family-based organizations. Escobar remarks: “Homeschoolers have already successfully turned the public education monopoly upside down; we will now do the same in cinema production and distribution.”

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John McCain Accepts The Endorsement Of Heretic John Hagee!

Posted by Job on February 28, 2008

First Huckabee, then McCain, who was on record in 1999 as stating that he did not want to overturn Roe v. Wade. McCain also has a long record of opposing many of the things on Hagee’s political and religious agendas. This just proves that the guy who denies the Messiahship of Jesus Christ, claims that Jesus Christ was killed by Rome for His political beliefs,prophesied that the United States would attack Iran in 2007 (and is still demanding that we attack Iran!) and preaches dual covenant theology is simply in it for the power and money.

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Oh Gee What A Surprise: Roman Catholics Trying To Start Secular Christian Values Charter Schools

Posted by Job on February 19, 2008

Still more evidence that conservative Protestant evangelicals have been taken for a ride by Rome.

D.C. may get 7 ‘values-based’ schools – USATODAY.com

For Catholic schools in the nation’s capital, it’s feast and famine these days.

Donors have helped the Archdiocese of Washington pump $60 million into its schools in the past decade. In 2004, Congress approved a $14 million voucher that paid tuition last year for more than 1,900 students.

But as in other big cities, shifting demographics have drained D.C. of families who want to send their kids to Catholic schools, even when it’s free. And Congress, which is controlled by Democrats, probably won’t renew the voucher program.

Meanwhile, the city is at the heart of the USA’s quiet love affair with privately run, publicly financed charter schools: One in five D.C. students attend a charter.

Faced with a $55 million long-term deficit and the looming closure of nearly half its schools, the archdiocese awaits approval of an unusual proposal: converting a handful of schools to secular “values based” charter schools that reflect Catholic morality but don’t overtly teach church doctrine.
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The bid represents the largest of its kind so far — and though it stands a good chance of approval by the D.C. Public Charter School Board in April, it’s opposed by the National Catholic Education Association (NCEA), which says the schools will lose their greatest strength: their religious character.

“This isn’t a path for everyone,” says archdiocese spokeswoman Susan Gibbs. “But we look around at other dioceses and they close their doors. We couldn’t do that.”

An independent, non-profit board would run the seven proposed elementary schools, with no teaching of Catholic doctrine, no in-school prayer and no religious artifacts on the walls. In fact, none of the proposed charters would be considered “Catholic” schools. Essentially the archdiocese would act as a landlord.

In that sense, it’s similar to arrangements in places such as Buffalo, and Gary, Ind., where church schools have been transformed into non-religious charters.

“We’re sad that they can’t be Catholic schools,” NCEA president Karen Ristau says of the D.C. proposal. “There will be no religious doctrine or celebration of faith or prayer in the school day.”

Though charters enjoy freedom from most regulations on personnel, curriculum, budget and teaching methods, Ristau says religious instruction is still out. “As far as I know, there’s no wiggle room.”

In the past few years, charter schools in Florida, Minnesota and New York that have approached the line between values-based learning and religious instruction have run afoul of critics who say they’re ignoring the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition on government sponsorship of religion.

Ristau calls proposals such as D.C.’s “a temporary solution to a serious problem” facing churches across the nation. Recent data from Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate finds that though the percentage of Americans who are Catholic has remained steady since 1995, the number of Catholic elementary schools dropped about 10%; secondary schools have dropped 2.3%.

“At a time when we’re all trying to figure out how to create good public schools in the inner city, it’s a shame that good public schools in the inner city are going away,” says Mike Petrilli of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, a Washington education think tank.

Gibbs says the archdiocese is keeping its options open. If neighborhoods change, she says, “We still have the buildings. … In 10 years, we may want to open a Catholic school again.”

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THE BEST EVIDENCE YET THAT JAMES DOBSON BACKED MORMON MITT ROMNEY!

Posted by Job on February 18, 2008

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It says it here in black and white (and blue): An online voter guide issued by Focus on the Family Action, Focus’ political wing, favored Romney over the other candidates, but it attempted to gloss over the “Mormon issue.” So where are the people that claimed that I was lying when I said that Dobson endorsed Romney now? Also, note this snippet: As Dobson warmed to Romney — the two had a getting-to-know-you session at Focus’ Colorado Springs headquarters last year

So folks, it is now time to stop pretending that the Christian right is anything more than a pseudo – Christian apostate movement bent on money and power. As Romney is a RINO (and Pat Robertson endorsed loathsome Rudy Giuliani and Rick Santorum and Gary Bauer have endorsed John McCain) we can no longer even claim that it is even an ideological movement anymore. It is all about people that want to be kings – and kingmakers – so much that they will even countenance a member of the God makers like Romney.

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Pat Robertson: Dual Covenant Theology Heretic

Posted by Job on February 14, 2008

Independent Conservative » Blog Archive » Why Did Pat Robertson Lie to Michael Eisner About Salvation?On June 20, 2006 the cable TV network CNBC featured media mogul
Michael Eisner interviewing Pat Robertson. Although this happened some
time ago, there was something that took place during this particular
interview, that I have not found much outcry against and I felt it
should be noted here. Because it is a totally misleading use of
scripture and Pat Robertson once again showed he’s following AND
TEACHING a false gospel, to say what he said to Michael Eisner.

What concerns me occurred at the tail end of the interview. You can watch video of the interview via this link and once the interview video starts (after an advertisement), you can advance to 4:22 to see where things start regarding what I’m speaking of here.

Below is a quote from the official transcript.


MICHAEL EISNER:
This may be a silly question. I’ve almost been married as long as you have. About 40 years. How long have you been married?

PAT ROBERTSON:
About 52.

MICHAEL EISNER:

All right. So I’m not– I’m not in your league. I’m not in your league.

PAT ROBERTSON:

All right.

MICHAEL EISNER:
So my wife is Christian.

PAT ROBERTSON:
Right.

MICHAEL EISNER:
So I appreciate the fact that she’s Christian. She can go to heaven. I’m Jewish.

PAT ROBERTSON:
Yeah.

MICHAEL EISNER:

So from what I understand, we only can be together in– on this Earth. ‘Cause I can’t go to heaven, according to the 700 Club.

PAT ROBERTSON:

No, not according to the 700 Club. I don’t know who it’s according to.

MICHAEL EISNER:
All right. So– well, I thought Jews couldn’t go to heaven.

PAT ROBERTSON:
All right. Here’s the deal. And with this– the Apostle Paul said that
all Israel will be saved. There’s going to come a time when all Jews
are gonna come to heaven. They’re all gonna meet the– the Lord. And–
and it’s– it’s in the Old Testament. Zachariah says they’ll look upon
him who they have pierced, and they’re going to mourn and so forth. But
there’s gonna come a time of extraordinary persecution. There already
has come. But it’s gonna be some serious stuff. And– it’s told by the
Old Testament prophets the answer that we believe as evangelicals is
that God has a special role for the Jewish people. And you look at– you
look at the 22nd Psalm. He talks about his bones pulled out of joint,
you know? And he talks about people surrounding. And he looks down, and
it describes the crucifixion. It’s all in there. It’s in the Old
Testament– describing what happened. And– I’m just one of the goy that
came along late. (LAUGHTER) I– I’m– I’m converting to the– to the faith
of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

MICHAEL EISNER:
So you’re converting to Judaism.

PAT ROBERTSON:
Well, I’m not converting to Judaism. (OVERTALK)

MICHAEL EISNER:

See, I thought I’d– this would be– this would be a big announcement here.

PAT ROBERTSON:
(LAUGHTER) I’m–

MICHAEL EISNER:
I could get a big rating.

PAT ROBERTSON:
I’m converting– (OVERTALK)

MICHAEL EISNER:
Pat Robertson converts to Judaism. (OVERTALK)

PAT ROBERTSON:
–faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And– but the time is coming very
soon when there’s going to be a revelation of the Lord to everybody.
And all Israel, all Israel is gonna get saved.

MICHAEL EISNER:
You’ve always been known to be very pro-Israel.

PAT ROBERTSON:
Totally pro-Israel. I mean, I– I’ve got the Star of David printed on my underwear. I mean, it’s that kind of thing.

MICHAEL EISNER:
Thought you had Mickey Mouse on your underwear.

PAT ROBERTSON:

(LAUGHTER) (UNINTEL) said you’re more Israeli than (UNINTEL). But in–
in any event– I firmly believe that according to the Bible, the– the
fullness of the Gentiles will come in. And then all Israel will be
saved. That’s what the Apostle Paul wrote.

MICHAEL EISNER:

Wow. (LAUGHTER) Thank you very much– (OVERTALK)

MICHAEL EISNER:
Got a lot to think about now.

PAT ROBERTSON:
(LAUGHTER) I want you to be with your wife.

MICHAEL EISNER:
Yeah. I’m gonna be with her, one way or the other.

PAT ROBERTSON:
Okay. (LAUGHTER)

MICHAEL EISNER:

Thank you.

What Pat Robertson basically said was (paraphrasing), All you Jews are going to Heaven, because Paul said ALL ISRAEL will be saved.

In the context Pat Robertson spoke, he spoke a lie. We could say Hebrew scripture notes all Israel one day went into the promised land, HOWEVER we should not forget that many did not get beyond the wilderness.

Numbers 14:22-32 (New American Standard Bible)

22 “Surely all the men who have seen My glory and My
signs which I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness, yet have put Me
to the test these ten times and have not listened to My voice,

23 shall by no means see the land which I swore to their fathers, nor shall any of those who spurned Me see it.

24 “But My servant Caleb, because he has had a different spirit and
has followed Me fully, I will bring into the land which he entered, and
his descendants shall take possession of it.

25 “Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites live in the valleys; turn
tomorrow and set out to the wilderness by the way of the Red Sea.”

26 The LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying,

27 “How long shall I bear with this evil congregation who are
grumbling against Me? I have heard the complaints of the sons of
Israel, which they are making against Me.

28 “Say to them, ‘As I live,’ says the LORD, ‘just as you have spoken in My hearing, so I will surely do to you;

29 your corpses will fall in this wilderness, even all your
numbered men, according to your complete number from twenty years old
and upward, who have grumbled against Me.

30 ‘Surely you shall not come into the land in which I swore to
settle you, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun.

31 ‘Your children, however, whom you said would become a prey–I
will bring them in, and they will know the land which you have rejected.

32 ‘But as for you, your corpses will fall in this wilderness.

Take note of the statement “nor shall any of those who spurned Me see it”.
The Messiah of Hebrew scripture has come and His name is Jesus, Yeshua.
Yeshua, Jesus is the Christ. Since his coming, He warned Israel for
their unbelief in Him.

Luke 19:41-44 (New American Standard Bible)

41 When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it,

42 saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things
which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.

43 “For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up
a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side,

44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within
you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you
did not recognize the time of your visitation.”

And it did happen.

Jesus provided the means for salvation through belief on Him. Jesus even explained this himself in John 3.
Through His sacrificial death, burial and resurrection, He provides
salvation to all who believe on Him, turning from darkness, both Jew
and Gentile alike.

One who rejects Jesus does not have the Father, they do not have God. They are not saved.

1 John 2:22-23 (New American Standard Bible)

22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is
the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and
the Son.

23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

Therefore, it is impossible to tell anyone, even a Jew (a person of Hebrew blood) that they can be saved via any means except they believe on Jesus Christ. If they deny Him, they are not saved, period.

So what of all Israel being saved as Paul said? It is just like it
was for the Jews of the past. Those who deny the truth God has given to
man through His Son will perish, but a final remnant of Israel will
believe on Him and be saved. This does not mean Michael Eisner will be
part of that group. So to tell Michael Eisner “all Israel”, as if it
applies to him and all Jews is an untruth. Romans 11
is best read in full, given it details things fully. Through Hebrew
disobedience a means of salvation was made for Gentiles that believe on
Christ, but no Jew who rejects Christ will be saved. All Jews reading
this post should read the book of Hebrews from its first chapter to its last (chapter 13). When the fullness of Gentiles has come in (all Gentiles who are the Lord’s believe on Him),
that final remaining remnant of Hebrew blood will be at a point in
biblical prophesy, where they will all accept Jesus as Lord and He will
save them and all still in flesh at that time who believe on Him. All
who die today believing on Christ are saved too, but not anyone who
fails to. This does not mean Michael Eisner is saved by virtue of his
heritage, no more than anyone else that fails to believe on Jesus.

I feel it is a heinous crime against the Lord God, that so-called Christians are lying to people of Hebrew descent.

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JAMES DOBSON ENDORSED MORMON MITT ROMNEY BECAUSE OF LUCRATIVE FINANCIAL TIES TO MORMON CHURCH!

Posted by Job on February 10, 2008

(My note: though he will not say it, it does appear that Bill Keller supports Kenneth Copeland John Hagee hugger Mike Huckabee and is at least in part angry at Dobson for not endorsing him sooner. Still, this is useful in learning about yet another group that funnels money to the religious right deception. It proves yet again that the Bible is right: the love of money is the root of all evil.)

Friday, Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family came out endorsing Mike Huckabee for
President. Let me tell you why: this was nothing but a calculated decision
on Dobson’s part to do damage control. Dobson, just a few days earlier had
stated that he could not vote for John McCain (because McCain had hurt his
feelings by not bowing to him over the years), but NEVER mentioned not
voting for Mitt Romney. As a matter of fact, throughout the past few
months, he denounced Rudy for his stand on killing babies, and rightly so,
but never once renounced Romney for being part of a satanic cult leading the
souls of men to hell. The reason is simple. Dobson has been in bed with
the Mormons through the World Council of Families, an ecumenical group
started and funded by the LDS cult, and no doubt sells lots of his family
books to Mormons who are very pro-family. It was only AFTER ROMNEY QUIT
that he endorsed Huckabee, the only candidate who clearly takes a stand for
Biblical values. What makes this endorsement a joke is that McCain has
virtually locked up the nomination. Dobson has cleverly gone on the record
at this late date supporting Huckabee since he is clearly the choice of most
Christians, in order to stay in the good graces of the people he needs to
support Focus on the Family. A hollow endorsement that is too late and
meaningless other than for damage control to keep him in the good graces of
the people who send in the millions he needs to run his organization.

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The Mormon Self – Victimization Goes Into Overdrive Over Mitt Romney

Posted by Job on February 8, 2008

In it Mormons complain “It forced Latter-day Saints to acknowledge that they don’t just belong to another American denomination!” This article is fascinating: sltrib.com/ci_8200642

Now I was made aware by one of my books on Mormonism (Mormonism 101 by Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson of the Mormonism Research Ministry founded and run by former Mormons) that a major tactic of this false religion to retain its members is to cultivate a sense of victimization and persecution. That article above is a clear example of it. It takes the position that the sole reason why Mitt Romney lost was anti – Mormon bigotry. Contrast this with a more factual article msnbc.msn.com/id/23064098/ that does not even begin to list all the problems that Romney had as a candidate that were made even worse by the many bad choices that he made in the campaign. And even if he had been a better candidate: so what? Strong candidates lose all the time. Bob Graham was the most qualified Democratic Presidential candidate since Harry Truman. Ever heard of him? Exactly. In 1996 the best GOP candidate was Phil Gramm, and the guy didn’t win a single state.

But alas, keeping their victimization cult alive to retain their members is what they do. Here is one blatant lie: “It’s OK to challenge our beliefs but no one wants to be treated like they’re weird” claims Nancy Dredge, publisher of a Mormon women’s magazine. Except that during the entire campaign, Mitt Romney and his many backers with their various religious and political motivations claimed challenging his beliefs was 1. anti – Mormon bigotry and 2. an unconstitutional religion test for public office. Now I can understand people who hold that not voting for him solely on the basis that he is a Mormon is hypocritical since Christians have no problem routinely voting for people that are not born – again. But Romney and his allies (not all of whom were Mormon, I have already pointed out that his earliest and most prominent enablers in this strategy were Roman Catholics) chose to try to force Protestant Christians to accept Mormonism as legitimate Christianity and brand them as both bigots and traitors to the cause of conservatism if they objected. If you believe that Mike Huckabee’s saying “don’t Mormons believe that Satan and Jesus are brothers” was wrong, then so was the Romney strategy of using the same thug pressure tactics of the radical left to silence everyone unwilling to accept their “if he says that Jesus is his savior then you need to HAVE him if not in the theological context then at least in the political one.” (By the way our experience with pro – abortion pro – homosexual pro – war pro – corporate welfare pro – state George Walker Bush and the even more problematic Mike Huckabee ought to show us that we should be no more blithely trusting or accepting of professed Protestant Christians that claim Jesus as their savior.) And in that was a strong undercurrent of resentment. They were exuding the attitude “Hey, racists sacrificed by accepting blacks, Roman Catholics sacrificed by accepting Protestants, why can’t Protestants sacrifice for the cause and accept Mormons?” Well, what white voter would accept a black candidate if he claimed to be white? What Roman Catholic voter would accept a Presbyterian candidate that claimed to be Roman Catholic?

Claiming that Protestants should have been willing to accept Romney’s claim that he was “a non – Catholic Christian just like them” just because racists were so graciously willing to accept blacks and Roman Catholics were so graciously willing to accept Protestants only shows their true attitudes towards blacks and Protestants. It shows that the racists REALLY don’t regard blacks as being equal or deserving of equal status and that Roman Catholics REALLY do not accept the legitimacy of Protestant Christianity, but are wearing a mask, maintaining a public facade in the interests of both the conservative movement and the larger national interest. Now I am not saying that if these folks ever get in power they will brutally repress blacks and Protestants, only that their words and behavior exposes the true contents of their hearts, and that is all the more reason why succumbing to the tactics of Romney and his backers would have been wrong, a betrayal of the truth of the Bible.

So, what we get is blatant lies like this: “As long as the Republican Party is primarily a party with an evangelical base, I don’t see how any Mormon could do any better than Romney,” said Alan Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College. “You can’t explain how a relatively competent, successful businessman and governor could do so badly in the Southern primaries without pointing to his Mormonism.” First of all, the Republican Party does not have a primarily evangelical base. Evangelicals make up at best 25% of the Republican Party. Second, is Mitt Romney the first successful businessman and governor ever to fail in a Presidential run? Or even for Senate? Dan Quayle, a former senator and vice President, couldn’t even get elected governor of Arizona! Third: Mitt Romney didn’t only have problems in the south. People, the guy only won 7 states: 3 of them (Michigan, Massachusetts, Utah) he was the home state candidate, and most of the rest were caucus states that he bought using his organization. But Iowa and the south are the only states were Mormons can blame his losses on evangelicals, and evangelicals are the only group that Mormons can play the bigotry card against, so they are using it.

And when I say “play” I am serious. Go back to Wolfe’s statement “as long as the Republican Party is a party with primarily an evangelical base.” For quite awhile, I have seen Mormon blogs not so subtly suggest that the GOP dump the evangelicals in favor of a Mormon – Roman Catholic alliance. By holding a prominent position at Roman Catholic Boston College, which has the distinction of being the only major conservative Roman Catholic university left after Notre Dame, Georgetown, Catholic University, etc. have gone liberal in recent decades, Wolfe is precisely the sort that could work to make such a thing happen. Now were I still a Republican, I would care a lot more about such talk. As it happens, I am only keeping an eye on it because of the implications on where our country is going. The Democratic Party is what it is, and so if the GOP becomes the Roman Catholic – Mormon party (with just enough evangelical useful idiots to make it electable) well maybe that would have the positive effect of opening a lot of Christian eyes as to where they should store their hope and treasure.

Back to “It forced Latter-day Saints to acknowledge that they don’t just belong to another American denomination.” Add that to “I don’t see how any Mormon could do any better than Romney.” What do you get? That even the most regrettable rhetoric from the publicity – seeking grandstanders was still correct: Romney was running as the representative of his faith not only to promote it but to promote it as Christianity, and that their many vehement denials were simply LIES. I suppose that by pointing that out I am an anti – Mormon bigot, because the various pro – Romney blogs have all coordinated amongst themselves (and almost certainly with the Romney campaign) to contrive the notion that “flip – flop” is an anti – Mormon code word because of the false “Mormons lie” charge embedded in the evangelical mindset due to their negative interactions with a few poorly trained Mormon missionaries, and that a recent Vanderbilt study proves it. Trust me, I am not making this up, and it reached the point where even some of the non – Mormon political outlets were repeating the “flip – flop equals evangelical anti – Mormon bigotry” line. It had just started to catch on, and had Romney done well enough on Super Tuesday to remain in the race, you’d be hearing a lot more of it, no so much because non – Mormons actually believe it, but because they were grasping onto any reason they could to justify not holding Romney’s politically timed and untested transformation from RINO to Reagan Republican against him. Desperate times call for desperate measures!

But the key thing to take from that Salt Lake Tribune article were the not – so – subtle hints that Mormons are now going to shift gears and use different tactics in the future, and not just in politics. Whatever those tactics are, they are going to be very aggressive and not only in the political and religious spheres, but also in the secular mainstream. As an increasing number of folks are finding Mormons preferable to Christians for a variety of reasons (there were TONS of “I would personally rather live next to or hire a Mormon than an evangelical” types of comments circulating out there), so I am of the opinion that they are going to be rather effective. Whatever they are, Christians are going to have to be ready for it.

We have to recognize how much success the Mormons have already had. Mormons are only a tiny percentage of the population: 7 million of the 300 million Americans. Yet they are heavily disproportionately represented in some highly visible (business, entertainment, media, sports, academia, politics) and have had a huge impact on our culture. And realize that they are just getting started. Incidentally, for you evangelical Reagan supporters, two Mormons served in his cabinet. One, the convert from Roman Catholicism Bay Buchanan (the sister of ardent segregationist racist Pat Buchanan!) was one of two Mormon Treasury secretaries that we had (the other, Ivy Priest, served under Eisenhower) AND DID SO AT THE AGE OF THIRTY – TWO. The other was secretary of Education Terrell Bell.

Now I had always felt that Reagan did more for the Roman Catholics than he did for evangelicals. Now you can add Mormons to that list. So evangelicals, what do you think of Ronald Reagan and your religious right now?

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Mormon Mitt Romney Is Rick Warren Appreciator!

Posted by Job on February 7, 2008

You see folks, that is what false Christianity that does not have Jesus Christ at its center – or does not accurately represent who Jesus Christ is, which is to quote Thomas “Our LORD and our GOD” – results in: a meaningless false faith whose language can be co – opted by any apostate heretic to use for his own ends. Christians who like to shy away from things like sovereignty, judgment, and blood redemption because they are considered barbarous by the world and instead like to speak of your “faith” using abstractions, platitudes, and generalities remember this: Adolph Hitler espoused Christian family values too. The link below contains this quote from Romney:

Americans love God, and those who don’t have faith , typically
believe in something greater than themselves – a ‘Purpose Driven Life.’

The Christianity that we are called to speak of and live should be that which neither the Mitt Romneys nor the Mike Huckabees can co – opt for their own purposes. The best part is, though, that Romney seems to be stating that what passes for popular Christian faith today is actually no faith at all. Whether you are a values Christian, a oneness Christian, a cultural Christian, a New Age spirituality Christian, an emergent Christian, a prosperity/Word of Faith Christian, it is all the same: lukewarm worldliness. Well on judgment day, Jesus Christ is going to spue you out of His mouth and into the lake of fire, which trust me will not be lukewarm.

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JAMES DOBSON ENDORSES MORMON MITT ROMNEY!

Posted by Job on February 6, 2008

I first saw this here but it was confirmed in this devotional as well. Man oh man, I love this election season. So many prominent Christian leaders in the limelight are being exposed for what they are. From the people backing Huckabee despite knowing his connections to the Council on Foreign Relations and to apostates like Kenneth Copeland and John Hagee to Pat Robertson backing Giuliani to the MANY evangelicals and even some fundamentalists backing Mormon Mitt Romney to Donnie McClurkin and many other leading black Christians backing Barack HUSSEIN Obama (here, here, here, here, here, here) well the Lord is exposing for the whole world to see what these prominent Christians are really about and after – the things of this world.Christians, is this the falling away of the American church? If so, make sure that you are not part of that falling away. In a sense, things have been this bad for quite awhile, because the fact that Martin Luther King, Jr. was no better than a Mormon because he did not believe in the deity or resurrection of Jesus Christ despite it being commonly reported … so many people do not know because they do not care to know. And never forget: King’s rise was due to so many alleged Christians, many of them evangelicals and fundamentalists, supporting segregation and racism! Still, I regularly ask some older (than me) Christians have things always been this bad, and even the ones that personally experienced segregation and poverty say without hesitation “No, it wasn’t.”

***DR. DOBSON AND RUSH LIMBAUGH ARE THE LATEST TO JOIN THE “JUDAS GALLERY” !!! WWW.VOTINGFORSATAN.COM IS ONLINE!!! I’ve launched this new website — www.votingforsatan.com — not to tell people who to or not to vote for, but to help educate people on what Mormon’s really believe and hold accountable high-profile Christians who have endorsed cult member Romney’s bid for
the Presidency. The new site features an interactive section with
polls and a great message board where you can post your thoughts and
comments, news notes on the race for the White House, my numerous
Devotionals on Romney and the Mormon church, in-depth writings by an
ex-Mormon that clearly lay out the beliefs and theology of Mormonism,
as well as special videos including the TV program I did in the magical
Mormon underwear worn 24/7 by high level Mormons. Please check it out
and help me by telling everyone you know about this new site, and post
it on every message board and chat room you can find, especially the
sites that cater to politics.

“The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the
shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign
LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!
Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe
yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not
take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the
sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or
searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. So they
were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered
they became food for all the wild animals. My sheep wandered over all the
mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth,
and no one searched or looked for them.” Ezekiel 34:1-6

A sad commentary on so many pastors and Christian leaders right from God’s
Word. Last week I was doing some study in the Book of Ezekiel. In reading
through some passages, I came across these first 6 verses in Ezekiel 34. As
I read these words, I could only think that this was the sad description of
so many pastors and Christian leaders today. 50 years ago, you could sit in
the pew of most any church of any denomination and hear the Truth of God’s
Word. Those pastors and the men and women God raised up on the national
scene were men and women who would never compromise the Truth of the Bible
and understood their only mission was to bring the lost to Christ.

Fast forward to the year 2008 and you have entire denominations of pastors
who don’t even preach, teach or believe the Bible. It is questionable if
many pastors were ever “called” and are even saved. Those who have risen up
into national prominence are more worried about selling books, having the
newest private jet, building bigger buildings, and living like the rulers of
small nations rather than preaching the unadulterated Truth of the Bible and
leading the lost to faith in Jesus Christ. My goodness, you now have
so-called Christian leaders who are endorsing and working for the member of
a satanic cult to become our next President!!!

When these are the men and women leading the people, why are we surprised
that many who sit in the pews of the nations churches on Sunday aren’t even
saved, don’t accept the Bible as Absolute Truth and our only authority, and
the majority of the ones who do lead weak and ineffective lives. That is
why I encourage people all the time to seek out a pastor who is a true
shepherd. That is increasingly difficult today, but there are still many
men of God who have not bowed their knee to Baal and are not the shepherds
described in Ezekiel 34. Sunday is the day most Christians go to church. It
is the only time most of you ever see your pastor, and that is usually from
your seat in the sanctuary as he leads the worship service and preaches the
message.

Having preached in over 500 churches of every denomination nationwide, I can
honestly tell you that for most pastors, Sunday morning is their favorite
day of the week and the one day they usually feel their work for God really
has some meaning. You can never know the pressure most pastors are under. If
it was only getting up on Sunday morning and being the “man of God” it would
be wonderful, but that is not reality. It is a 7-day a week, 24-hour a day
calling. Many have outside jobs. There is the constant pressures of raising
the budget, dealing with the interpersonal problems that always exist when
you have a group of people, overseeing the political infighting that often
occurs, on top of the spiritual requirements of shepherding the flock,
having an anointed word each week for the various services, and other
requirements the office of pastor carries with it.

My prayer for you today is to support your pastor. Pray for your pastor each
day. John 10 gives us the picture of the ideal pastor. Pray that your pastor
will be able to tear away from the distractions of this world to be the
shepherd described in John 10. God has placed that pastor in your life to
guide you, spiritually nurture you, and have spiritual leadership over your
life. Do all you can to show your love and appreciation for all your pastor
does for you, most of which you may not even recognize. Also, God has placed
your pastor in your life for spiritual leadership. When you come into times
of crisis, don’t hesitate to go to your pastor. That is ultimately why they
are there, to help you and guide you through those difficult times in your
life.

I love you and care about you so much. I pray for you daily. Sadly, today
there are too many pastors and Christian leaders who fall into the
description found in Ezekiel 34. It makes the work that much more difficult
when you have people running around calling themselves Christians, but
supporting sins like abortion, homosexuality, the destruction of God’s plan
fo the family. You have others who think there is nothing wrong with
belonging to a cult or false religions and they have bought the
universalistic lie from hell that everyone will get to Heaven.

Let this message today be a remember to lift up your pastor in prayer and
recognize him for all he does for your life. God has called His sheep to be
obedient and obey those in spiritual authority. Take inventory and see if
you are fulfilling this admonition, and ask God to help you. He loves you so
much, that he has placed your pastor in your life to shepherd you and guide
you in your spiritual journey. Show your love for Him today by praying for
and supporting your pastor.

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller bkeller@liveprayer.com

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George W. Bush Would Rather Talk About Sex Than God!

Posted by Job on February 1, 2008

From Brother IndependentConservative’s link below.

I fully respect George W. Bush as the chief executive of our nation. I respect our President. On some major matters of policy I’ve agreed
with him more than some of his political rivals. I’ve got no problem
saying I voted for him in 2004, given the field of candidates in that
race. You probably could search this blog and find many posts I’ve made
in support of President Bush regarding many political matters, although
at times I’ve spoken in opposition. Still overall I’ve usually been
more in agreement with him politically than in opposition.

But never mind the politics, I just wanted to note that I honestly
respect our President for the position God ordained him to hold for the
moment. I also wanted to make clear I’m not some “anti-Bush” Moonbat,
that has been seeking his impeachment. Just the same, I can’t go
claiming someone is a Christian when their own fruit proves them not to
be and I’m not talking about policy matters, but matters of personal
theology.

I’ve pointed out previously in a post titled Why President George W. Bush Honestly is Not a Christian details of why I can’t see Bush as my brother in Christ. Our President, yes, but not a brother in Christ.

Now my brother in Christ Walter Kambulow has passed me an article you should read in full titled He’d rather talk about sex than God. The article’s subheading is the following:

George Bush built his career on his faith. But his key religious adviser tells of a different man behind the born-again image

Now there is a whole lot I could say about the article in point by
point analysis here, but I just think you need to read it in full
yourself. Because without all the lengthy analysis from me, the article
should help any true saint see that the point of Bush not being a
Christian is greatly reinforced by that article. He is a man who has
found a means to control some of his personal issues. He is
not a man who desires to spread the message of salvation in Jesus
Christ as the ONLY means for salvation. And for you who were told that
Bush took some time from political pandering, to speak to some little
child about Christ and walked the child though the formulaic “sinners prayer”, that story is a big hoax. Bush is a man who might like to read
the Bible at times, but he is not a man who is expressing the truth
found in scripture. He is a man who plays on religious jargon for
political gain.

Regarding Bush’s Bible reading, it seems to vary depending on the year.

Bush’s Official Reading List, and a Racy Omission


Mr. Bush noted that he liked the Hamilton biography because “it was a
very interesting history of how hard it was to get democracy started.”
He also told Mr. Lamb that he reads the Bible daily every other year,
and in the years in between he reads a daily devotional by Oswald
Chambers, a Protestant minister of Scotland from a century ago.

Mr. Bush told Mr. Lamb that “Oswald Chambers was one of the great
Christian thinkers” and that “the easier it is to understand what he
writes, I think, the more understanding of religion a person becomes.”
This year, the president said, he is once again making his way through
the Bible.

So he’s reading scripture every other year. It just seems
like he now finds the Bible to be nice reading material, rather than
the Word of God and essential to daily spiritual growth. I mean if he
said this rotation was an every other day matter I might not take
notice, but every other year. No wonder Bush speaks the language of
secular humanism when actually asked how one can reach God. I mean if
someone told me to try NOT reading my Bible for a year and just
listening to some preacher I feel is good to listen too, I’d laugh in
their face!

Oh well, Bush is not the first to play off religion for political gain and he certainly won’t be the last.

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