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In What Manner Should Christians Meditate?

Posted by Job on February 18, 2009

The word “meditate” appears in the Bible (King James Version) 14 times. (Words that could be translated as “meditate” appear much more often.) The count includes mentions of prominent Bible characters engaging in the practice, as well as explicit commands for all who worship God to do the same. The latter includes at least one in the New Testament: 1 Timothy 4:16’s Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Add to that commandment this blessing of Psalm 1:1-2: Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

So, from this, we can conclude that Christians are supposed to meditate. But precisely what does Christian meditation entail? The Bible does tell us how to pray, providing examples for virtually every situation. The Bible tells us how to worship and praise, to the point of supplying doxologies which can be used for hymns, and telling us how to perform the Lord’s Supper, and also instructing us on the manner that we should preach and teach. The Bible even tells us how to fast.

But does the Bible tell us how to meditate? I have not seen it. Yet, it is clear that we are to do so. So the question is: how is the meditation of the Christian separate from the meditation of the heathen?

I will say that the Bible does contain a warning of how NOT to meditate. Jesus Christ specifically forbad the process of “centering”, which includes the practice of not a few Christians that use “centering prayers”, in Matthew 6:7’s prohibition against “vain repetitions as the heathens do.” As a matter of fact, peruse the varying translations of this verse, and you will see this more explicit, and the New International Version is even more direct when it states “do not keep on babbling like pagans.”  So that is something to avoid. Which, of course, means that importing meditative practices from other religions (i.e. “Yahweh yoga”) is forbidden from Christians by Jesus Christ and His Bible. The fact that the Bible commands us to meditate is no excuse to mess around with syncretism. Also, recall 1 Thessalonians 5:22‘s Abstain from all appearance of evil. Also, recall what Romans 14:21 says about not making your brother stumble. So, any Christian meditation program would have to be subservient to and governed by those and all other commands of scripture. 

So, does anyone have any suggestions on Christian meditation practices that are scriptural and expedient to be practiced? This is not out of mere curiosity, or simply an intellectual exercise, but rather motivated by the fact that the Bible does command us to meditate, and it is a command that I personally intend to keep. 

I wonder what Messianic Judaism would have to contribute on this issue … if there is anything valid recorded in their tradition that dates back to the Bible times that would be helpful. And yes, I will say that the Catholic tradition of meditation (both Roman and Orthodox) is something that I wish to avoid because of my real doubts that their meditative practices have anything to do with the sort of meditation that was practiced by the Jewish culture that produced the Bible. Example: their practice of incorporating icons, angels, saints and such into their meditative and contemplative practice … well try to square that against the Biblical commandments not to pray to graven images, the host of heaven, etc. So, I am seeking advice on CHRISTIAN meditation, so certainly anything that breaks direct Biblical commands in such an obvious manner does not qualify. I don’t care if these people have been contemplating and meditating on icons, angels and Mary since 230 AD or whenever … the Bible prohibits idolatry, so it isn’t Christian.

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71 Responses to “In What Manner Should Christians Meditate?”

  1. Remnant said

    I agree. As for what constitutes meditation, it would be meditation on God’s Word. Perhaps this means turning a verse over thoughtfully in yur mind, and comparing it to your life, actions, habits, etc.? For example, if one were to contemplate Proverbs about anger and how they have or have not measured up.

  2. The Prodigal Son said

    Re : Images and Icons… It is not the image itself which is prohibited, but the improper use of such images. Exodus 20:4 is not against all artistic representations… rather it is against images being worshipped as gods/goddesses (gods of silver, and gods of gold Ex. 20:23)… ~~~ ~~~ Our example of this is found in Numbers 21:4 – 9 where God instructs Moses to make a serpent for himself and put it on a signal pole, in order that if any were bitten by a serpent they might gaze upon the serpent and live.. (also see John 3:14, 15). ~~~ ~~~ However, when the Israelites (hundreds of years later…) were offering incense to this same serpent in a form of idol-worship, King Hezekiah – who “… did what was right in the eyes of the Lord,” broke the serpent to pieces. ~~~ ~~~ The Seventh Ecumenical Council, held in Nicea in 787, condemned the heresy of ‘iconoclasm’ (the rejection and even destruction of icons.) There is to be made a distinction between the veneration bestowed upon the icons… and WORSHIP.

  3. A couple years ago I taught an adult Sunday school lesson on Biblical Meditation. You are absolutely right that the Bible doesn’t provide us with a good method for doing this. Because of this, I’ve always felt there is no right or wrong way, however, each of us should endeavor to find ways to meditate that draw us closer to Christ, changes us more into His likeness, and makes ourselves more available to him to work through.

    When I taught this lesson, I walked the class through an example of how I meditate on the scriptures personally. It was essentially a Christian guided meditation. Many in my class asked me to record it so they could do it again. I recorded a few of these and they were well received. A few months ago I started writing, recording, and publishing a new Christian guided mediation each week (I’m a couple weeks behind right now, but should be caught up by the weekend). Anyway, they are available at http://www.MindfulWorship.com. While some of them are only available to ‘Premium Members’ who pay a small fee to help with site and production expenses, there are still several that are totally free to download or listen to online. Each meditation usually begins with a brief exercise to help you relax and put away other distractions so you can focus on God’s word, and then guides you through meditating on and applying portions of His word to your life. If you check them out, I’d love to hear what you think.

    I’m not saying it’s THE right way, but it’s the way that seems right for me right now.

    • Fanara james said

      Buddhist systems of meditation are easily adapted to Christianity and seem to be effective if practised regularly. Let’s always remember, Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion.
      Meditation can mean just sitting quietly and letting God talk to you.
      Certainly, if you can control your mind so as to correct the entry of unwanted thoughts (the monkey-mind) that must be beneficial. Jesus mentioned WATCHFULNESS, it means watching the mind so as to deal with unwanted thoughts..
      Whatever you are doing you can meditate…just concentrate on the job in hand, ignore other thoughts, and that is a form of meditation. You can do it walking down the street.
      .

  4. rose said

    Well, I took a peek at your sight, Ricky, and even listened to one of your guided meditations and, frankly, it gave me the creeps. I don’t think what you are teaching is Biblical meditation at all. Sorry, but it sounded very new agey to me. I will stick to reading my Bible, thinking on what I read and then praying about how to apply it to my life. That is meditation for me…works just fine.

    • Anonymous said

      hi rose, meditation is highest form of praying because it bring us close to god and understanding him.There is two basic way to do it which is: first way is thinking about nothing to receive the holy spirit, second way is to think about the ghospel and bible passage. jesus allways meditated and talked to god through meditation. even moses meditated and the people allways copied him. please stop saying it is dangerous because we all know everything could be dangerous if not used in a good way.
      by the way this a response to this post too!
      please read slowly and carefully for you to receive the message

      God bless you!

    • Stu said

      Jesus reads a little “new age-y” to me, personally. Now, the disciples, they have their own disciplinarian “Christian” thing going on. I prefer the religion of Jesus. Most denominations today focus on the Bible, a human interpretation of His life. Jesus, obviously, never stated that the way to salvation is to contemplate the Bible. I focus on His words and actions and try to practice my religion as He did.

      For Jesus, prayer, private meditation, fasting, and unconditional love for all of existence were the pathway to letting God into your heart and to knowing his love fully. “The kingdom is within you and it is without you,” He tells us, and that if we come to “know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the living father.” For many, this path of righteousness, which will often take you to long periods of isolation (40 days in a cave or under a tree), will be impossible to follow: “How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.”

      Don’t let them tell you to stop searching, Ricky! Trust in the words of Jesus and open your heart to be filled with God’s love. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven.” The path must be found and your cup cannot be filled by His wisdom until it has been emptied of preconceptions.

  5. Rose – I appreciate your honesty and taking the time to listen to one of them. I realize that this particular style of meditation won’t minister to everyone’s tastes, much like our choices in worship music. If you have suggestions for how they can be improved, certainly feel free to contact me using the contact form on the web site. I really appreciate you checking them out and posting your opinion here!

  6. rose said

    Ricky,
    It is not a matter of taste…it is a matter of following what the Word of God teaches. No where in the Bible does it teach the kind of meditation you are doing and promoting. Having listened to several of your “guided” meditations, I think you are into contemplative spirituality which in reality is just “Christianized” New Age meditation. It can actually be a dangerous practice and is NOT biblical- at all! Where in the Bible are we told to meditate in this way? The reading of scripture the way you are doing it is called Lectio Divina, an ancient practice of mystics and gnostics. From one of the articles I have listed below:

    “..the connection between Bible reading and prayer is one to be encouraged; they should always go together. However, the dangers inherent in this kind of practice, and its astonishing similarity to transcendental meditation and other dangerous rituals, should be carefully considered. It has the potential to become, and often does become, a pursuit of mystical experience where the goal is to empty and free the mind and empower oneself. The Christian, on the other hand, uses the Scriptures to pursue the knowledge of God, wisdom, and holiness through the objective meaning of the text with the aim of transforming the mind according to truth. God said His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6), not for lack of mystical, personal encounters with Him.”

    Two articles on the dangers of this mystical type of meditation:

    What is Lectio Divina?

    http://www.gotquestions.org/lectio-divina.html

    LECTIO DIVINA – Leading Sheep to a New Level of Consciousness

    http://sheepyweepy.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/lectio-divina-leading-sheep-to-a-new-level-of-consciousness/

    It is one thing to involve yourself in this practice and quite another to encourage others in it as well. I am sure you are sincere, but one can be sincerely wrong.

  7. Rose – I’m not going to get into a public debate about this on someone else’s blog. I don’t allow that sort of thing on my own web sites anyway. :o) However, I do feel that you deserve a response so you know I didn’t ignore you. I’ve read the articles you referenced many times over the weekend and prayed much with these in mind. It’s my heart’s desire to be in God’s will with what I’m doing and I seek much counsel as I move forward with this ministry, including some of the most Biblically conservative pastors and other men of God that I know. Nowhere in my meditations, writings, or personal beliefs, do I endorse a “New Level of Consciousness” or “mystical personal encounter with God”.

    You’ve said that in your own meditation you read the Bible, think about what you’ve read, and then pray about how to apply it to your life. My own guided meditations are recorded forms of how I’ve done that myself, and my invitation to others to join me in that. Many seem to appreciate hearing how others do what you and I both do now. Hopefully it will help them to do it more on their own without guidance. But just like prayer, sharing our faith with others, and every other element of our Christian life, we do need to see some examples to get us going sometimes. That’s what I’m trying to provide.

    If you would like to debate any of this, I’ll be glad to do so if it seems that such a debate will further the Kingdom of God, and is worthy of spending the precious time God has so graciously given us. My contact information is on the Mindful Worship web site. You write in anonymity here with only a first name so I don’t have any way to contact you directly. I find that anonymous discourse is rarely profitable.

    • Sally-Anne D said

      ♥♥ Call this today’s silly question :-) but as we are created by God into relationship with Him, why is it considered sinful to engage in a “mystical personal encounter with God”? God surely desires and craves us to be one-on-One both with Himself and those around us, which can also be seen as one-on-One :-) I always remember Jesus’ thoughts about children;their simplicity and spontaneity touched His Heart and He allowed then to draw closer to Himself, please God may we not be shooshed away by those who dismiss the little and lovable ways of the child in the adult ♥♥♥♥

  8. Job said

    The Prodigal Son:

    “There is to be made a distinction between the veneration bestowed upon the icons… and WORSHIP.”

    No there isn’t. There is no reason to venerate an icon. There is no reason to venerate a person. Those are all things that take our time, focus, attention, energy etc. away from going directly to the throne of grace as we are commanded to do in Hebrews.

    “Our example of this is found in Numbers 21:4 – 9 where God instructs Moses to make a serpent for himself and put it on a signal pole, in order that if any were bitten by a serpent they might gaze upon the serpent and live”

    Show me another example of where that sort of thing was normalized. That was a miracle done to address a specific situation. I mean, are we supposed to venerate bushes because God appeared to Moses in a burning bush? Are we to venerate axe heads because of the axe head that floated? Are we to venerate fish and loaves because Jesus Christ fed the 5,000? Are we to venerate mud because Jesus Christ smeared mud on the blind man to heal him? Are we to venerate strips of cloth because people were healed with cloths containing Paul’s sweat? Are we to venerate tumors and mice because of the images of the emerods and mice that the Philistines put in the ark?

    The only reason why people do this stuff is because it is easier for them to mentally grasp worshiping an object or an image than an unseen Spirit. That’s probably a reason why it was necessary to do the fire serpent in the first place. The wicked generation of the children of Israel, the ones who perished in the desert, were only used to idolatry. They did not know YHWH. That’s why the first thing they did after Moses left them for a little while is build a golden calf and have a big orgy. God mercifully condescended to their level.

    And even if it was part of the Sinai religion at any point – and it wasn’t – so what. The Sinai religion was typology. It pointed to the real thing, the resurrected Jesus Christ. That’s why we don’t have to worry about slaughtering goats and cows on altars and burning their feces, and why we don’t have to go through veils.

    Using icons was one of the many things that cropped up in the late 2nd and 3rd century after the Gentile Christians kicked the Jewish Christians out of fellowship and started Hellenizing the faith, mixing scripture with Greek, Roman, and Babylonian abominations. You know that none of that iconography nonsense was apostolic, because a 1st century Jew such as the apostles and the rest who followed Jesus Christ and witnessed His resurrection wouldn’t have even had the mindset required to venerate an icon. It wouldn’t have even been in their worldview. They would have had no reason whatsoever to do it. So since no mention of icons or their equivalent appears in the New Testament, and since venerating icons does not fit the social location and context of the Jews to whom Jesus Christ was born and revealed, there is not a single shred of evidence to support the idea that the apostolic church venerated icons, and lots of evidence that they would have never done such a thing.

    Look, check this article. It contains this gem: “As Christianity evolved away from its Jewish roots, however, it gradually began incorporating pagan traditions such as venerating icons of Jesus and Mary, while still abhorring images of pagan deities.”. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Iconoclasm

  9. The Prodigal Son said

    Your final quote Job, is an obvious Jewish LIE ! Christianity – from the very beginning was preached to Jew AND Gentile ! You know that, Job. ~~~ ~~~ We, as Christians are subject to the New Testament of Christ’s victory over the curse of death… We are NOT subject to the Old Testament Jewish Laws, no matter how much they try to ‘reclaim’ Christianity as ‘Jewish’ ! ~~~ ~~~ If you were correct, all artistic representations of anything would be forbidden ! ~~~ You want more exampes ? O.K. !… In Exodus, the Lord Himself commanded Moses to make two gold cherubim “of hammered work”, and place them at each end of the mercy seat on the ark of the covenant. Our Lord also stipulated that the ten curtains of the tabernacle be woven with images of cherubim (angels) on them, and likewise the veil… – Exodus 25:17-21 and 26:31…

  10. The Prodigal Son said

    … When King Solomon built the temple, the huge basin, or “sea”, was set upon twelve statues of oxen. And upon the ten bases of the sea were cast or engraved “lions, oxen, and cherubim”, as well as palm trees. The Lord bestowed His blessing on all these artistic impressions first by filling the new temple with His Glory, and then by declaring to Solomon, “I have consecrated this house which you have built to put My name there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually.” – 3 Kings 9:3… ~~~ ~~~ Also, according to tradition, St. Luke the Evangelist made at least three icons of Christ and His Holy Mother.

    • Anon123 said

      Not to bring up an old thread but I still want to share my thoughts.

      In both of the examples of the Ark and Solomon’s Temple, these are places where God resides.

      Regarding the Ark of the Covenant , the tent in which the Ark was placed had strict rules and no one was allowed to enter except Moses, Aaron and, i believe, some maidens to keep things clean, and that was just the outter chambers of the tent. On the inner chamber where the Ark actually was, only Moses, and maybe Aaron were allowed to enter. This was not a place for people to come and worship, it was were God resided; so he ordered there to be Cherubim in the Ark as there were Cherubim in Heaven.

      As for King Solomon, I don’t think he was ordered to place cherubim, but perhaps he placed them not to revere the images, but made them as an to honor to God, for example, a royal painter who creates a masterpiece FOR his king as a gift to the king to hang on the kings wall. Solomon’s intention was not to pray to the images, but to say, “Lord, I made this for you because I honor you, I hope you like it.”

      A person’s intention makes a big difference to God. For example, the pharaccies who stand on the street corner and pray loudly so the whole world know’s they are praying vs. the man who prays to God in his inner chamber. Both are praying to God yet only one of them receives a blessing. But I don’t think we as ordinary people should start making images for God.

      Same might go for Luke the Evangelist but I haven’t heard that story so I can’t really comment on that, but, Jesus Christ was a man who is God and He resided on Earth and in Heaven so I dont really know what to think about that. But according to the second commandment, I do not think that we should not pray to a cross hanging on the wall, or hold a cross in our hand while praying, or bow to a cross, or kneel at the tabernacle; as that as those are graven images (a piece of wood or metal carved in to the shape of a cross with a wooden or metal jesus on it). I do think we should “open up our hearts” and just pray that way. I think that would make God the happiest.

      Also, what I have said are just speculations, so please, If im wrong and there is evidence against it, please correct me. I don’t want to create any false beliefs.

  11. rose said

    Ricky, First of all, I do not feel it is inappropriate to continue discuss this here since what we are talking about does relate to the topic of the initial post: Christian meditation. Also, an open discussion may benefit others. Though you may be sincere and truly seeking to bless others with your meditations, I have noticed that these are for sale and that people who become members at your site are given an opportunity to make extra money by referring their friends. Perhaps you only make enough to keep your site up and running and there is no monetary gain on your part. I trust that is the case.

    You say you do not endorse a “new level of consciousness”, but the way you go about your meditation sessions IS bringing people into a new level of consciousness whether you call it that or not. The music is New Age music, not great Christian hymns of the faith. You start out with breathing, relaxation and imagery…just the way most New Age meditations begin. (I watched several on the web and they look very similiar to yours in that respect.) You read the Scriptures very slowly, almost whispering…in a mesmorizing way..in a way intended probably to put people into a deep state of relaxation. All of this can put your audience into a new level of consciousness without them ever being aware it is happening. Then you say you are not seeking a “mystical encounter with God”. But that is exactly what you are doing when you say things like: “Feel Jesus move His hands to the top your head and then allow them to gently rest on your shoulders as a loving Father’s hands…Feel Jesus gently squeeze your shoulders with His strong nail scarred hands…”. Visualizing Jesus doing things..touching you…mystical encounter of the mind. You mention the idea of being relaxed many times and you tell people to repeat His Word over and over. The purpose of true Biblical meditation is not relaxation and gaining a sense or feeling of well being. It is to grow in holiness…sanctification. I will say it again, this is NOT Biblical meditation you are doing and encouraging others to do….I don’t care what your church leaders are telling you. It is meditation that comes out of New Age…which cannot be Christianized. We don’t mix other religions’ practices with or adapt them to Christianity. I don’t think I will be able to convince you and so further discussion is probably fruitless. However, if you are interested, lighthousetrails.com is an excellent, very reliable resource and has numerous articles on contemplative spirituality. Here is one more… a blog by someone who was into New Age practices before becoming a Christian.

    This from http://www.turtle-dove.com/2007/11/when-our-bible-isnt-enough.html

    Excerpt from article: “Most people aren’t familiar with meditation, beyond knowing it lowers blood pressure. Years ago, Christians were highly suspect of meditation, linking it to eastern religion, and rightly so. Our current media has defused the practice by promising better health by way of yoga and meditation. Physical changes do occur during meditation by affecting the brain, which in turns controls the body. Deep and continued meditation releases dolophine endorphins (natural body pain killers) giving us a “feel good” emotion that, when incorporated into a prayer life, can be misunderstood as connecting with God. Because these endorphins relax us and are a pleasing sensation (blissful), we’re apt to seek that experience rather than our study of God’s Word. Like mood-altering drugs, meditation is addictive and why monks have been known to do it for 10,000 to 50,000 hours, over time periods of 15 to 40 years.”

    Most of us want to change something about ourselves, and the “idea” sounds great. But if meditation through repetitive prayer is introduced as a means to become closer to God, then we’re essentially saying that it is through this discipline we know God, not through Grace. Even more damaging, and an often over looked aspect of meditation, is the door being opened to hypnotic suggestion, or brainwashing. Participants while under group meditation can be influenced by their moderator’s ideas, or in a church setting, their theologies.”

    “Repetitive praying can produce a hypnotic state, and that can produce the feeling of well-being and misunderstood to be something divine. Remember, repeating a Biblical phrase will produce the same mood-altering effect as repeating a Hindu phrase, or a transcendental meditation mantra.”

    I pray you will consider these things carefully, because, as I said before, you, as a teacher, will be held accountable by God for what you teach others. I would want to make very sure what I was doing was truly of the Lord and Biblically sound. Many churches are accepting these practices today … very little true discernment in these Last Days just as the Bible warns us.

    • cavestory said

      Hello,

      I’m a Buddhist. I have been understanding what different religions were doing. I have to agree with what Rose pointed out about the concerns / dangers of crafting a mystical experience VS the actual meditation which is merely contemplating with your own brains about a set of virtue without the need to add any fluff or special mental FX. And to be able to contemplate the virtues, God Words, etc, is just simply sitting down and thinking about it. There are pre-conditions like maintaining good morality, good livelihood, good actions which is one of those basis towards contemplation (meditation).

      In Buddhism, the focus was on “follow-the-tendencies-of-the-people” approach. It also acknowledged that people will be on different development phases. Therefore, the methods vary in different places and appeal to different audiences. In the our meditation practices, we were warned of illusions created by visualized images or sensation that were felt as a result of being comfy or at peace.

      I am saddened that such is the level of understanding of Buddhism portrayed by this article “Like mood-altering drugs, meditation is addictive and why monks have been known to do it for 10,000 to 50,000 hours, over time periods of 15 to 40 years.”
      Apparently the writer of that article know nuts about the no-fluff meditation.
      But before that, a rhetoric: The body is made of biochemistry. If you feel fearful, something will be released. If you feel at peace, some other chemicals will be released in response to the stimuli. Or, is it the other way round (we feel scared because of certain biochemicals released and we feel joyful because of some other biochem released)?

      Monks feel at peace because they are able to calm their mind.
      Why they had to sit there for 10k to 50k hours is not because they want to relive some fantasia “orgasmic of sitting there peacefully” you have in your mind. It is because the mind is like a monkey and it is actually pretty hard to achieve concentration. And we need this be able to gather a certain degree of concentration to contemplate on virtues and the materiality of the world effectively.

      But to be able to concentrate, the conscience needs to be free of guilt. Which is why morality is needed, then the exercising of concentration with your mind in a contemplative manner becomes more effective, more clear.

      I understand certain religion might adopt a “follow-His-Words” approach. Well, I am in the opinion that both works fine as long as the said religion is able to bring a person closer towards morality, less discrimination onto things that you don’t buy, and also develop an appreciation of God. This means certain key teachings must be intact. What are these key teachings, I leave it to your good exploration in your own good religion. The main religions in the world all have it. But they are expressed very differently.

      I am a sorry to say that it was because of Buddhism that I was able to appreciate Christianity so much better and I love the core of Christianity.

      • cavestory said

        Hi owner,

        Sorry I have a typo here:
        “of understanding of Buddhism portrayed by this article”

        Please change it to:
        “of understanding of monk’s meditation portrayed by this article”

        Thank you.

  12. rose said

    Resources on-line for learning about Biblical meditation:

    Biblical Meditation: http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=989

    Confidence in the Word: Experiencing the Bible’s Power: http://www.citw.org.uk/meditation.htm

    And best of all, I think is: http://www.preceptaustin.org/a_primer_on_meditation.htm

    If you scroll down on this page, you will come to section entitled: ‘Primer on Meditation’ which gives step by step description of what Biblical meditation should look like. Then, if you scroll all the way down the page, you will come to a section which has quotes by great saints of old like George Muller and Charles Sprugeon. There are also quotes by more modern Bible teachers like MacArthur, Warren Wiersbe, and J Vernon MeGee. This last website is loaded with good helps.

  13. annom said

    Upon reading the blog. I find it alarming to be frank that many Christians do not Meditate properly at all. Contemplating scriptures is not meditating on them. Sure go ahead and believe that if you will. But it is not. As posted by this blog the writer sums it up and says the bible does not go into how to meditate.

    Being so how can one say that any others style of meditation is unscriptural?

    Please people get a life. Instead of debating and arguing because someone who is christian may operate a little differently. Grow up, and become more Christ like instead of some goon. Foolishly judging everyone and everthing.

    • meika said

      Well put Annom!!!

    • Judy said

      Amen! Let your “ego” go, please mediate on that. Growing ever closer to Christ is the point… to judge, or push your belief on someone is to push that someone away from Christ Jesus. Respect and love one another without condition and you will be free of the anger-separation that you would cause through unhealthy blamming. We are all one body, you may be the hand and see the head much closer than the foot, therefore having a different percetion and perspective, but you should not cut off your foot because of this. Be well and in love. Namaste’ Gassho. Love and Light, blessings and togetherness.

  14. Promulgate said

    Annom, Meika,… though your intentions may be honorable, your own judgement shows you are not ready to instruct others on how to walk their path.
    Meditation can be as complex or as rudimentary as required by the level of spiritual understanding that the practitioner has thus far acquired.
    For those that have not meditated before, and who are still unsure of the possible effects of meditation, it is advised that they meditate on nothing.
    This is by just observing, sitting quietly, observing the breath, if you are outdoors, then by observing God’s creations, but do not allow your mind to interpret what you are observing.
    Our minds are not capable of interpreting God’s creations so this act would be futile. Only in the act of observation can you truly experience the wondrous creations of your own Creator.
    Upon clearing your mind of it’s intellectual misinterpretations and sitting in a state of observation, you will then see a clearer picture of that which you have already learned, be it the interpretation of scripture, or simply how to function day to day within the laws of scripture.
    By meditating this way, you are certain not to accidently worship a false idol. And by simply observing nature you are not entering into any pagan forms of worship.
    Good Luck and God Bless.

  15. Rodney said

    I completely agree with annom. “Foolishly judging everyone and everything.” I do not like it when people read a couple scriptures and think they have all the answers and start their judgment. Rose your practically insulting Ricky. Anyhow God Bless.

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  17. james said

    The only proof we have that Christ said “do not meditate as the Heathens”. Is in the Holy Bible that the established church of Rome “EDITED” atleast 4 times before King James re wrote his, translating the KJV from the Latin Vulgate instead of using the Hebrew or Greek Septuagint. And at that time ANY person or persons not in total agreement with the Roman Church was labeled Heathen and therefore murdered. So, as we all should be “Priest of the Order of Melchizedek”, as Christ was. Maybe we should research what, “order” they speak of.

  18. Laney said

    Before I get going…Rodney, where did you find the YouTube video? I’d love to see it there.

    Okay so….how did I land on this site? I typed in the search ‘Meditate With Jesus.’ I have found this whole conversation very interesting.

    I tell myself ALL the time, ‘Christ in Me.’ He didn’t come to re-do my personality, or make me into something that I’m not per say, but he lives inside of me. That includes my conscious AND my subconscious, my cells, and everything that is ME. It also includes (with my personality) my likes and dislikes and personal preferences.

    I love it when science backs up the bible. It’s one of my greatest pleasures in life. I think the scripture, “A double-minded man is unstable in ALL his ways,” so perfectly fits the battle between the conscious and subconscious. Scientist have dubbed the subconscious mind a subservient mechanism. One man I heard say it’s our “Faithful servant.” It’s not good, it’s not bad, it just follows commands. It’s very basic in nature too. If you ask someone in a hypnotic state, “Can you tell me where you were born?” the answer would be a simple yes. Your subconscious doe not have the ability to judge right or wrong, it simply does as it’s told. It’s an ongoing 24/7, 365 day a week recording device. Most of the nastiness that gets put on it, happens in childhood. (This is why I believe that Jesus had such strong words to anyone who would dare harm a child. He knew about that recorder. He created it!!!)

    Let me ask you all this. Have you ever daydreamed? Been engrossed in a movie? Guess what? You’ve been in a hypnotic state. Did you cluck like a chicken? Begin running around your room howling? Dancing with Angels? Become possessed? I haven’t. (I have seen this in some whacky church services before that scared me silly as a child though.)

    I believe the Apostle Paul had this same struggle as well, talking about how he does the things he doesn’t want to do all the time, but the good that he does want to do…he doesn’t. His conscious mind wanted to do good, but his subconscious (that servant) kept undermining him. How often to we all struggle with this battle daily??? (me raising my hands, wearing the T-Shirt too)

    Like that video, we’re all told about taking EVERY thought captive and bringing it unto the submission of Christ. And the above video that Rodney put up, is EXACTLY why I began this search to start with. I asked the question, “How do I PERSONALLY, go about doing this???”

    I think just as we all have various tastes in music and style of worship, is one of the reasons meditation or specifically “how to meditate” was left out of scripture. We can debate the history, translation, what was chosen and not chosen in the version we have today, but I just trust and believe that what we have is what God wanted us to have on our coffee tables okay?? That said, I think the “how to” meditate and “how to renew the mind” is going to be different for different people and personality types.

    Example: If you want to look at the Redemptive Gifts for a moment, my Dad is the Redemptive Gift of Teacher. So taking that scripture of meditation on God’s word day and night…..it’s like putting a fish in water to that particular gifting. Do you know how many times growing up I’d have to say, “Dad. Dad. DAD!!” He’d say, “Oh sorry, I was thinking about a scripture.” I like to say he was ‘hypnotized by scripture.’ He was in such a deep thoughtful meditative state, that he couldn’t hear me. The reality though…….is it’s not going to be that way for all the others. Teachers LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the bible!! Meditating on scriptures to them, is the equivalent of putting a fish into water. We all don’t easily reach that meditative state from a daily bible reading though. I’m one of those very individuals. Another example is for the Redemptive Gift of Mercy, worship is going to be a big connection to God. A Mercy can put on a praise and worship CD and all those thoughts go falling by the wayside. They may dance around their kitchen and in their minds and hearts, they are dancing for and with God. If you look at God’s creation, it reflects variety and it’s no different here.

    I keep at the forefront of my mind, we’re all in “the new” and no longer under the old, in any way shape or form, with this topic and many others. And just like the argument over masturbation, this topic is another gray area. That begs the question why? I think it’s because we’re told that we are to be ‘Spirit Led’ now. We’re to be spirit led in all things. IMHO, here’s how to find out what type of meditation is right for you. If you begin to go down a path and your Spirit begins pinging, you need to listen. It’s not for you. If you go down a path and your spirit doesn’t ping, keep going.

    As early as a few years after Christ’s death, there were fakes and charlatans. Praise God that we are to be Spirt Led now. Seriously, have we all stopped and thanked God for this? No longer are we given a list of do’s and don’t on a tablet, but we have been given a powerful discernment tool. Powerful. Yes, we have the Word of God, but it points to>>>>being Spirit led, especially after Christ’s death and resurrection. It’s portable. It’s the ultimate app with a battery that never runs dead. Whoo-Hoo!!! :)

    Anything can be deemed as good or bad. Good and bad can be mixed and intertwined!! Things that were once meant for good have turned bad and vice-versa. The Levitical Laws were rendered null and void upon the new covenant being drawn up. God knew we’d still need guidance, so Jesus said after he went away the Holy Spirit would come down. Charlatans flourished, bickering in the churches ensued, and logically looking at this stuff we humans want to know…..how can we know the difference really? How can we truly separate right from wrong? To date, people can’t open up their bibles and get a run down (specifically names) on which televangelists are legit and which ones aren’t. Even Jesus did not leave a “formula for healing” in any of the stories we read. And just because one people group has been gifted in research and documentation (even though their main god was or is not our God) doesn’t mean there’s not some truth that can be pulled out of it.

    To me, the ONLY WAY we can navigate these waters as believers, is to be spirit led. That said…..it’s going to be different strokes for different folks.

  19. Mr B said

    My meditation:
    Romans 10:17
    Consequently faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the preached word of Christ.

    Matthew 4:4
    “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God”.

    Hebrews 11:6
    Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

    Psalms 27.4-5
    One thing I ask of the LORD; this I seek: To dwell in the LORD’S house all the days of my life, To gaze on the LORD’S beauty, to visit his temple. For God will hide me in his shelter in time of trouble, Will conceal me in the cover of his tent; and set me high upon a rock.

    Psalm 1
    How blessed is the one who does not follow the advice of the wicked,
    or stand in the pathway with sinners,
    or sit in the assembly of scoffers!
    Instead he finds pleasure in obeying the Lord’s commands;
    he meditates on his commands day and night.
    He is like a tree planted by flowing streams;
    it yields its fruit at the proper time,
    and its leaves never fall off.
    He succeeds in everything he attempts.

    John 14:15-21
    “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
    And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you forever.
    This is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, because he abides with you, and he will be in you.
    “I will not leave you orphaned; I am coming to you.
    In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you will see me; because I live, you also will live.
    On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
    They who have my commandments and keep them are those who love me; and those who love me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them.”

    1 Thessalonians 5.12-22
    Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who labor among you and preside over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them most highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.
    And we urge you, brothers and sisters,admonish the undisciplined, comfort the discouraged, help the weak, be patient toward all. See that no one pays back evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good for one another and for all.
    Always rejoice, constantly pray, in everything give thanks. For this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
    Do not extinguish the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt. But examine all things; hold fast to what is good.
    Stay away from every form of evil.

    Philippians 4.4-9
    Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I say, rejoice! Let everyone see your gentleness. The Lord is near! Do not be anxious about anything. Instead, in every situation, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, tell your requests to God. And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.
    Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of respect, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if something is excellent or praiseworthy, think about these things. And what you learned and received and heard and saw in me, do these things. And the God of peace will be with you.

    Revelation 4:8
    “Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.””

    Isaiah 6:1-4
    In the year that king Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and his train filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim; each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet and with two he flew. And one called to another and said: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory.’

    Matthew 6: 5-8
    “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room and close the door and pray to your Father who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask.”

    I borrowed this because it’s an important consideration:
    A holy thing is cut off from and separated from common (we would say secular) use.
    Earthly things and persons are holy as they are distinct from the world and devoted to God.
    So the Bible speaks of holy ground (Ex. 3:5), holy assemblies (Ex. 12:16), holy sabbaths (Ex. 16:23), a holy nation (Ex. 19:6); holy garments (Ex. 28:2), a holy city (Neh. 11:1), holy promises (Ps. 105:42), holy men (2 Pt. 1:21) and women (1 Pt. 3:5), holy scriptures (2 Tim. 3:15), holy hands (1 Tim. 2:8), a holy kiss (Rom. 16:16), and a holy faith (Jude 20).
    Almost anything can become holy if it is separated from the common and devoted to God.

    According to the Gospels after being baptized, Jesus fasted for forty days and nights in the Judean desert.

    Matthew 5
    5:6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
    5:8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
    5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

    To meditate on the Word of God (night and day) and for the Spirit to move you to cry out Abba Father, or Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord, to ponder John 17; The Joy of the Righteous Man, (Psalms 27:8) in reading John 17:26 I made known your name to them, and I will continue to make it known, so that the love you have loved me with may be in them, and I may be in them.”.

    I suggest taking a fresh look Lectio Divina; my recommendation is a short read:
    (might be to simple for some but it lacks the fluff that waters down other such books)
    Praying Scripture for a Change: An Introduction to Lectio Divina
    by Tim Gray

    Also useful to ruminate:

    http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/meditation.htm

  20. Patric said

    I thank each and everyone who fearelessly contibuted on this topic whether wrongfully or correctly so. To hear different views about how to maditate, was in a way wakening to me. Everyone’s mission here was trying to help people like me. I am one of those who are confused spiritually. I am going through tough time and very miserable where everything is falling apart. I’m just a loughing matter even to my brothers in the Lord. I am a bornagain Christian since 1996. I have mistakes also but confessed them all. I fear God but my ways are tougher everyday. Both my wife and I are unemployed looking after our 3 children with no income whatsoever. All my job promises never got fulfilled. We are kicked out of leased houses almost every month for failling to pay rent. I got involved in accident 3 times this year both two cars are involved in accidents and a wracks. My family have money but they cant help us because they say i must do the family rituals. All Christian brothers i know have closed their doors for help. Even my Ps when preaching will quote scriptures that shows that if u do have money u are cursed. We have been praying and fasted. But no answer. Meditation is the only resort that we wanted to try and help our misery. If then no one who could tell us how we should meditate, then its bad for me. I am more confused than before.

    • Anon said

      I strongly advise you investigate some warfare techniques. The devil wants to destroy every Obedient servant. You must take up the shield and stand against the enemy. Ephesians 6:10 read it and learn what it means. It’s about becoming a warrior.
      As for meditating there are several topics that were not touched on and that is two fold I will briefly address.
      The first is that meditation for some people can and is very dangerous. It may very well open some people who are not sanctified up to additional demons and spirits and THIS is why it is dangerous becaues of the opening of the mind and not taking captive thoughts. HOWEVER, on the other side, someone may be going thru huge satanic onslaughts, they may spend the entire day in warfare and prayer and fasting and still NOT see results until doing a nice quiet meditation with you and your savior. This is NOT to instigate going out of the body, this is NOT to endorse communication with spirits, but it’s to QUIET YOUR MIND so you CAN feel leave and hear what YHWH wants to tell you and show you. He speaks to us in silence.
      I suggest always asking for forgiveness BEFORE doing any kind of Praying a
      To ensure you are in a state of righteousness with which to hear information if it’s going to be offered.
      Sit quietly and speak his name aloud to yourself and ANY though which comes to you which is not a peaceful one or something that enables you to relax deeper must be taken captive.
      Again, this is not something I’d suggest to just anybody, but I know from experience that if you are desperate for PEACE OF MIND from non stop bombardment of problems this will give it. Recite verses outloud and pray quietly but without
      anxiousness…watch the peace fall.
      And again I would never suggest this to anybody who is nit familiar with warfare and who has discerning of spirits. For a more advanced christian, this can increase your knowledge of how present he really is when he speaks to us in the inner quiet time with Him.

    • Stephanie said

      I’m so sorry Patric for what you and your family are going through right now. It must be so hard to stand upon the promises of God but know He watches over his words to perform it and he has plans to give you a FUTURE and HOPE, plans to prosper you and not to harm you. I am praying for you and your family even know. Have faith and trust God’s will is perfect. Following Jesus is not easy…even Jesus, the son of man, did not have a place to lay his head. In our own lives we’ve suffered hardship but we know none of this matters and will soon pass like a vapor. It is Jesus to whom we run, finishing the race with the crown of life. Keep going Patric, stay encouraged. May God move in a powerful way in your life. I also think Anon had some good words that you may be experiencing a spiritual attack from the enemy. Don’t be afraid to reach out to others to cover you in prayer. God Be With You

    • Patrick said

      Find the Holy spirit. People tend to focus on the other two parts of the trinity. But it’s the Spirit that fills us all and links us to the father and the son. God bless you.

  21. clem said

    thanks, this was a very informative topic of discussion

  22. Armando said

    I have just finished reading, ‘Zen & The Kingdom of Heaven’, by Tom Chetwynd. I believe it rughtly answers your question of “should christians meditate?’ I recommend you read it. It helped me answer this important question.

  23. Leigh Anne said

    I personally focus on the “Ruach” (Hebrew for Breath and Spirit and/or wind), Breathing in and out and focusing on God. The Christian group Avalon has a song called “Oxygen” that is perfect for this calming meditation. Then, I often focus on the living water that cleanses all of us, often a brother or sister I may have wronged may come to mind and I often write it down so I can make amends later, and not be a stumbling block to them. Finally, calmed and cleansed, I came into the presence of my Master and choose a story from the gospels to meditate on. I ONLY use the 4 gospels at this point, because as a disciple of Jesus focusing on any other words seems moot until I understand Jesus FIRST. I study whatever passage I am using with lexicons to understand the words and commentaries to get the meaning down and then place myself into the story either as an observer or as a participant and actually experience the words of Jesus. The reason for meditation is transformation of the inner spirit to make us more loving. The two great commands should guide our meditations. IMO

  24. Jeremie said

    Moses & Jesus Christ use meditation to listen to GOD its in the scripture so yes Christian are supposed to meditate :) GOD Bless

  25. A Kenyan child of God said

    Personally I’d pray and ask for help and direction from the Holy Spirit.

    Post from people here may be right… then again they might be wrong. Whom are you to tell? My Bible tells me ‘.. not by power nor by might..’

    I will humble myself and pray, asking for guidance and direction from the Holy Spirit. If I don’t get an answer today, I’ll repeat it tomorrow.. and the day/month/year after.

  26. Love this blog! The Bible does discuss meditation in Psalm 1: “On His law he meditates day and night.” Obviously chewing over the Bible like a cow does her cud.

  27. Annamarie said

    To the owner and all Gods children
    I am truly thankful that I visited this site.
    I am a stay at home mum taking care of 3 kids most of the time by myself as my husband travels extensively for his job. I am looking for a way to remain calm in all situation especially where my kids are concerned.
    However after reading Patrics plea for help I realise how us Gods children tend to forget all our current blessings that he has bestowed upon us.

    To Patric
    A year ago my husband and I decided to move away from our hometown to a completely diffirent place. He resigned and we left. We received his pension pay which was big but it lasted only 4 months. We were both unemployed and struggled financially for 5 months until my husband found employment. We lived from month to month not knowing if we would be able to pay our rent or feed our children. When my husband received his pension pay we gave our money to all the wrong people instead of focusing on him and our 3 precious children(who belong to him)whom he gave us to love,protect and take care of. We were truly grateful to God for his grace.
    What we learned from this is to always rely on God and to listen to him. Your time of tribulation will pass and his love and peace will always be with you.
    To everyone else

    I really enjoyed all your comments and opinions, we need to remember we are all His children searching for a way to connect with and be closer to our Father and our Saviour. I believe whichever way you do it as long as your heart is pure and true He will reveal himself to you.
    May God Bless You!

  28. You can find more resources and information on Christian Meditation at http://www.thechristianmeditator.com.

  29. JOJI MATHEWS said

    Meditation – this is the word which brought me to this page. I was searching for the proper practise of meditation. My personal experiences about meditation / mental dettachment.
    I am not as knowledgeable as many on this blog – forgive me if im wrong but felt like to post my experiences.
    During my prayers, i start off with giving thanks to JESUS and remembering his blesings .
    Remembering the sacrifice of the son for us sinners.
    Remembering my sinful past where he had to come after me and pull me up from the depths of hell.
    Remembering his love for me , to continously coming after me – teaching, guiding, scolding, comforting,….
    …at some point i become totally blank. i disconnect from my surroundings and feel totally at peace. After a while i come back to reality and feel light at heart. Stronger in faith.

    This is what I feel about meditation and would like to be in a similar state for longer period of time. I think sometimes, seperating ourselves with the only motive to communicate with JESUS prepares oneself for a conversation with him.

  30. mel said

    http://www.wccm.org

    Other than the practise of lectio divina on reading scripture…the closest I found is the above…. check it out…. or u will have to look towards the east….

  31. Deo said

    Our Father, Who art in heaven
    Hallowed be Thy Name;
    Thy kingdom come,
    Thy will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    and forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us;
    and lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil. Amen.

  32. I start my 5:30 am meditation in my room by asking that God’s will be done not mine (like Jesus in the Garden before he was taken). I read a random scripture and ask God to help me apply it to my life. Then I listen with an open heart. I feel Love come through me as instructions: sometime to go apologize to someone I have hurt recently, or even to take soup to a sick friend, or offer to walk her dog. Sometimes I am given the point of view of someone else whom I’ve been judging and fill with compassion for that person. I am told sometimes to pray for certain people (like my teenage son who is rebellious and hurtful). I listen to God’s explanation of scripture that I pray about because I don’t understand it (like the new wine into an old wineskin became absolutely clearly to be about being born again). If we’re constantly chattering in our thoughts about what’s for dinner or merely parroting prayers we read, there is not room for God to speak to us about our lives, right now! Also, if we pray before starting our quiet sitting (“be still before the Lord”) for God’s Will to be done and heard, are we trusting Him if we assume Satan will come through at that point? Really!!?? If we are saved by our belief in Jesus’ role in our salvation, we are protected from Satan. Not that he won’t try to tempt us (misery loves company), but we will be REPULSED by thoughts that even come close to what Satan wants us to think, even the chocolate-covered poop that a lot of “pop” spirituality offers.

    ARe there people who think they hear God in meditation but hear demons? Yes – channelers of the New Age movement often get to that point by meditating, but they are not praying that God’s Will be done, nor are they coming from the cornerstone of Jesus as their one and only Savior. They often say “Universe” instead of “God.”

    As for saying things out loud, I have read that Satan can hear our spoken words and read our countenances, but he cannot read our thoughts (although he can plant thoughts in us by others). That, to me, makes it all the more important to make a sacred space to TALK TO GOD and to ASK GOD QUESTIONS and to LISTEN TO GOD. C.S. Lewis recounts this belief in The Screwtape Letters, a famous book about demons tempting humans. In Job, Satan can’t hear Job’s thoughts. He can only attack him outwardly and hope to influence Job’s thoughts and therefore Job’s words. Job, though, turns his conversation to God, and he listens to God. Meditation is the part where you shut up and listen to God.

    Pray before all you do, including heading for the hills as Jesus did throughout his ministry to be alone with God (and withstand Satan’s tempting), for God’s will to be done, and then trust that it will. Only then will Jericho’s walls come down. Trust that God is more powerful than that which He made – and He made Lucifer.

  33. P.S. I think of meditation as also being a way the Holy Spirit burns sin out of me and slowly but surely purifies me for that day when Jesus comes for me (the unknown hour of my “death”) when I meet my Soul again, who has been safe with Jesus since the resurrection (his 3 days in Hades). That is why often I am shown how I’ve hurt others and can repent to them, or how I can be of better service to others around me, or how I have broken the commandments (Love your brothers as yourself). A little burning at a time is much better than a lake of fire, yes? (“I baptize them with water, but he will baptize them with fire!” – John the Baptist said). Meditation is like the purification of silver by burning out the impurities, which is said somewhere in the Bible (maybe Jeremiah), but you must pray that God’s will be done before listening!

    • Fabienne said

      Hello Ink Pastries,

      I really like the way you explain things! I was born a catholic, but now I am a born again Christian who came from another spiritual organisation (SRF). I tend to feel guilty now about the idea of meditating (because of Hinduism roots, etc..). I realize however that it’s all about keeping the focus on Jesus Christ as Our Lord and Savior and knowing that He dwells within us through His Holy Spirit, which originates from God. Personnally, Jesus is the only One sitting on the throne of my heart and I feel that we are inseperable. I also think that meditation is important because we come to understand some passages in the Word that may seem unclear. His presence through the Holy Spirit leads us to understand the meaning of it all and how it applies to us. I believe that without Him living inside of me, I would tend to fear God all the time, to a point where I would even be scared to pray to Him. This is exactly what our ennemy Satan wants. Mind you, it is good to fear the Lord in order to keep moving down the narrow road and follow his principles, even though we have been already saved. I am now looking into Christian Meditation because I need to feel His guidance. It cannot replacce the Word in the Bible, it can only complement it. Also, I was smiling when you said that Satan could not hear our thoughts, because I was asking myself the very same question these past few days ! This is pivotal in my spiritual growth, because he has less chances of hurting me. Thus, I have an inner sanctuary completely free of Satan’s doings. That’s why I prefer to be in the world but not of it (too much).

      I would be pleased to continue this discussion if you would like to.
      In faith,
      Fabienne

      • Fabienne said

        Oh and by the way, I think that the Bible is the Word of God, but I also believe that God did not disclose EVERYTHING in the Bible by choice. The reason may be disclosed when we meet Him…This is why I am also very careful not to condemn ideas or practices automatically just because the were not written in the Bible per say (as long as it doesn’t contradict God’s Word, I don’t see the problem).
        This is why we need to be in tune with the Holy Spirit, so that God can whisper to us right from wrong practices or ideas. We first ought to be peace and still first and this is achieved through the practice of meditation. Most unbelievers don’t agree with the Bible because they cannot understand the depht of the Word of God. This is why we need His Holy Spirit to dweel whithin us in order to create this understanding.

  34. Gibran said

    Jesus meditated most of his adolescent and adult life, he taught his disciples to meditate and had to teach the masses in parables because they wouldn’t understand the scientific techniques that Jesus learned when he traveled east during his teenage and early adulthood years.

    If you read the Bible or any holy book, read it from an inner perspective of meditation. Jesus the man became Jesus the Christ when he was able to move his life force from the base of the spine up through the energy centers of the body, the chakras, or as Revelations would call them, the 7 golden churches or candles…into the Christ center or third eye, between the eye brows. In Matthews he says if you see out of the single eye then you will become light. He literally meant that. I cannot give you the techniques, you need a guru for that, but all of it, the teachings of Christ, Buddha, yogis and Swamis, saints etc, is literally speaking of meditation. Meditation is the airplane to God, prayer the train, the rest is walking…hope this helps. Aum, Peace, Amen

    • Fabienne said

      Hello Gibran,

      I also believe in meditation and I wish to find a Christian Mediation group these days.. I was born Catholic, but I am now a born again Christian. I came from another spiritual backgroung (P. Yog, SRF). I believe that he truly was a mystic wanting to spread inner divine awareness through his teachings. I decided to keep the techniques that I will transpose into Christian Meditation. It cannot be wrong, contrary to what other people say. Ignorance is the plead of humanity. I also found tremendous peace AND inprovement in my character through these techniques (HS and Om). The fruits of the spirit within me were developped after some time. The main difference now is that I believe that Jesus is My Lord and Savior and not a prophet or a master who attainded Christ Consciousness.

      Meditation is divinely great !
      Fabienne

      • Gibran said

        Hi Fabienne,

        Thanks for your reply. I wish you peace and many blessings on your spiritual journey, and the same to those who have commented on this question. I owe a lot of my enlightenment to gurudeva. Keep increasing in your faith and Our Heavenly Father will continue to answer you and guide you. There is so much love, peace, and joy in meditation and prayer, one should never stop praying and although this life we live is in constant change, God’s word is always the truth, always constant. In whatever manner one studies the stories of God, whether it be the holy bible, Quran, etc., the positive teachings of faith and compassion should be taken from all self study into your daily walk and when you finally have that alone time with Our Father, well, that’s personal to each of us, just make time for him.

        I’ve been making great progress in increasing my faith and with my conversations with our Heavenly Father via meditation and in prayer.

        Much love to you and those in search of Him. God bless, be well, be still!

  35. suzan said

    I really have enjoyed reading all thoughts, scriptures and opinions with regards to Christian meditation it has been interesting but I feel I must add a thought here. While I appreciate the vast knowledge I really dislike the communication that speaks fear into the worship of God. I am very familer with the concept of fear of the Lord is the begining of understanding I also know that Yeshua Ha Mashiak came to free us from sin, death and fear that we may have a real relationship with Yeshua and our Creator. This is something I think all of us may agree on.

    I look to John the beloved of Him and the deep meditation and prayer that opened his heart, mind, and spirit to revelations. I am not sure that reading a verse of the Bible, praying about it and how it can be applied to my life would bring about the mind set needed to invision Revelations.

    The Lord God Almighty, Creator of all, Abba, created our body, mind, spirit, and brain. I don’t know much about. NEW AGE but my common sense tells me that if we were not to use all of our mind, body and soul to love God then we would not have been given the ability to tap into this part of brain.

    I have been in places of worship where the Word was used as a tool of control with a very limited version of our Creator and how we may try to speak to Him.

    The most important of Yeshua ‘s two new commandments is “love your Lord God with all of your body mind and soul”. To me that does not say it ‘s okay to meditate on God this way but be sure you dont meditate on Him using the brain He gave you this other way. IT MIGHT BE NEW AGEY.

    The Creator of the whole universe understands our need to connect to Him, He put that desire in us.

    I am no scholar but my Creator gave me common sense and I will seek His face using all He has given me. I will not be held back from seeking Yeshua Ha Mashiak by the doctrine of fear.

    YESHUA INTERCEDES. FOR ME WITH THE FATHER. WHO THEN KNOWS MY HEART MORE THAN MY CREATOR.

    When I hear people teach that I must use only a very limited way to reach Jesus The Christ I am amazed at the very small box they try to put Jesus into.

    The peace of Yeshua Ha Mashiak be with each of you.
    He has paid the finale price, once saved always saved, this is why He concirded death.
    love
    suz

    • eric said

      once saved always saved is a lie from the pit of hell we are told to put on the whole armour of god which includes the helmet of salvation which protects our mind from unfruitful lies of the world church we are also told to be mindful and to protect our crown which also is our salvation lest any man steal it from us so your faith and salvation can be stolen from you by improper teaching of gods word and by our own fleshly desires and by false prophesies. there is a false teaching in church that as long as you ask christ for forgiveness he will always forgive you this is a lie. ichabod believed that because he was a priest of the most high god he could sin as often as he wished and it would be forgiven him however he was decieved and his crown was stolen by the devil he now burns in the lake of fire cause god got sick and tired of his constant sinning. the moral of the story GODS forgiveness only goes so far then your screwed for all eternity even though GOD is a forgiving GOD he has his limits. even in the end times christians will face torments that we were taught we would never face WE WILL SUFFER AND DIE FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST and because of shallow teachings in the church millions of christians will forsake christ because they were lied to by the church and will seal their eternal fate by recieving the mark of the beast. i would rather die in the service of christ in fact i welcome it because jesus said this was to be in matthew 24 jesus never said he would rapture us before we are killed for his name sake. i have been taught that if we die for christ than christ died in vain this too is a lie cause jesus specifically said that they would deliver us up to be killed fathers their sons, sons their fathers then shall come great tribulation christ described the first half of what we call the 7 year tribulation in matthew 24 and by his words christians are still here during at least the first three and half years. sometime in these times christ will come for his bride we are still to watch for he will come as a thief in the night these are the words we are to comfort each other with because since the world new him not they will also know us not and we will be killed for his names sake as it is prophesised in his holy word. if christians are afraid to die for christ in north america then they need to pray for strength to face that trial if a christian is afraid to stand up and acknoweledge christ before family friends and enemies they are ashamed of christ and therefore christ will be ashamed of you before the father and you will spend eternity in hell so i ask which is better suffering at the hands of men for the sake of christ or burning in the fires of hell just because you were ashamed and content to be a pew warmer in church. going to church wont save you paying tithes wont save you healing and casting out devils wont guarantee you a place in heaven also todays ministers candy coat gods word because they are afraid to lose their congregation and their income sorry but if a christian congregation threatens to leave the church because the minister wont teach what they want to hear like the goody goody god is love and all forgiving bs instead of preaching hellfire and damnation to those who wont repent then let the congregation leave it obvious they are not saved and dont want to hear the truth that without christ all are damned to the lake of fire forever and those unbelieving christians will never see heaven. yes god is love god is forgiving its not his will that any should perish but have everlasting life but without the teaching and preaching the truth revival will never happen and billions will perish in hell and revival will only happen when we start preaching repent make way the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

  36. JamesVa said

    Wow! This is a very well read blog. I am fascinated by meditation. I have only re-introduced it because I was going through some very painful anxiety. I do have to say that what happened to me was disturbing. I can only now pray for forgiveness. As I went through the meditation twice now. Each time that I started to go through it. Pictures came in. Even as I write this now I can’t believe what happened. A picture of the ocean came in to view. I was expecting to just be still and let the images in. Instead it was an image of Jesus and I do believe he was warning me not to continue. The reason for my return to meditation was due to stress and even though I did try biblical meditation it was not preventing my anxiety and panic. So instead I thought I would try another approach. Well my painful anxiety has subsided but I believe it was only due to it being replaced by the fear of disappointing God.

    • Gibran said

      @James,

      There are universal laws that are so little taught, one being the law of cause and effect. You create your own anxiety, fear, nervousness, anger, etc. all these negative emotions hinder the life force within you and restrict the cells from healing and vibrating through the body as they should. When you meditate, and see oceans, stars, etc, this means you are thinking of the vastness of God, the ocean you seen is the ocean of God’s consciousness, Jesus was present because it is who you pray or relate to, Jesus was there to show you through him, you too are able to be one with that vast ocean of God’s consciousness. I will give you an example:
      Take a bottle of water, lets say 1/4 full, seal it and throw it into the ocean. The water surrounding that bottle is the same as the water within the bottle. Now if you were to remove the cap of the bottle and let the ocean water fill up the bottle, the two waters that were once separated are now one in the same, all part of the same ocean.

      The same goes for your consciousness. Your ego is the bottle that separates your consciousness (the water within the bottle) from God. Remove the ego, (the bottle or bottle cap, because you are not separate from God and his consciousness) and you will remember that you are one with God, with that vast ocean of consciousness. You are a wave in that ocean. Jesus teaches us that God is not separate from us, but is within us, one with us. Our egos make us think we are separate, that this world we live in is real, when it is all just a dream or a play we all take part in.

      Jesus, along with many spiritualized and self realized masters before and after him learned to commune with God through meditation.

      Allow your fears, anxiety, etc to subside, allow them to be gone and done with, remember you are your worst judge. God forgives us and responds to you in meditation by first, peace within, then joy felt in meditation, then he responds with feelings of renewable bliss, then he opens your Christ center or third eye, so that you can receive the Holy Ghost/spirit, aka the Aum or word of God. It is literally a sound of rushing waters or thunder, that we must allow to overcome us, a true baptism. Our consciousness merges with that of the Christ consciousness, which merges with the cosmic consciousness.

      Christ was at the ocean in your vision to tell you that he is with you and through him (through the Christ consciousness reached by meditation) you will and can be and are one with his Father, that vast ocean.

      Fear and guilt etc will destroy us. Let go of these negative emotions. Do not give them the power to manifest and destroy your inner peace found in meditation. Keep your inner peace in all you do. Live from your heart, love all things as we are one with all things. Remember you are made in the image of God, not your human form, but your true light form that animates your human body.

      God is within you, always has been. Jesus tells you that. When you live from your heart, you can do no wrong. Learn to forgive and forgive yourself. The most righteous act we can do is to meditate.

      Most churches and books teach us of the stories of those times in which they were written, stories of Jesus, his apostles, angels, God, etc. the word of God is the Aum/Om/Amen/Amin, which is within you.

      We just have to quiet our minds, be still and withdrawal from the sensory pleasures and move our life force up the spine through the energy centers into the Christ center, where Christ waits for each of us. Increase your faith, know who and what you really are, a child of God. Don’t allow your own ego and past to hinder your current progress. God loves us all, every moment we have here on this school called earth, is a moment God gives you to approach him. His love is so merciful, that he forgives us for our sins. Don’t give power to negativity, love yourself and you cannot hold hate or negativity in your mind or heart anymore.

      Give your time to God in meditation and prayer. You’ll realize that what I’m saying here has merit and value. Christ will return in the hearts and minds of us all one day, when we all receive the Holy Ghost, that vibration or rushing water sound that is released through your pineal gland. Listen for it, be one with it, be one with Christ and our Heavenly Father/Divine Mother from within…

      Have a blessed weekend. Be patient, be still, let go of fear and negative emotions, love all and love yourself.

      Your friend and brother,

      Gibran

      • eric said

        sorry but this sounds like transindentil meditation beware there is no divine mother within this is not from the holy spirit i rebuke you gibran in the name of jesus christ we are not called to be one with christ we are called to be his children his bride without spot or wrinkle we are not taught to seek christ from within ourselves rather seek first the kingdom of GOD and his righhteousness you are leading people astray like a wolf in sheeps clothing. christ is the son of man he has come in the flesh he is the son of GOD christ is mediator between man and GOD you cannot find GOD within you seek him in the word of GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL GUIDE YOU IN THE WAYS OF CHRIST

        • Gibran said

          Hi Eric,

          No reason for rebuking me, everyone has their own interpretation and personal relationship with Our Heavenly Father and his creator son, Jesus Christ, our Lord and savior. Let me simplify what my comment is about, be still and seek God. That’s it!
          I agree that Christ is the mediator, he sent us the Holy Spirit to comfort us and help teach us the Word and lead us to Christ and our Heavenly Father within ourselves. A big mistake we make is to think that we are separate from God, but he is not, he is within us, as well as in all things. The peace and quietness that meditation brings to one who is in search of God, helps us feel his presence and know him personally. Remember that Jesus said for us to love our neighbors as we lve ourselves, he could see God within all of us, within all things, so he wanted us to treat each other righteously, with love and respect, and as difficult as that can be at times, we must try to keep our patience with one another and love each other. Regardless of your opinion of what I have said, I still wish you peace in your journey and in your life. Much love brother.

    • maryanon said

      Perfect love casts out fear. That being said, I think caution may be in order. We are not God–nor should we desire such a thing. That’s what led to the mess things are in and have been for millennia since the Fall. Meditation should be practiced as the Bible teaches.
      I try to set aside 30 minutes after selecting a passage of scripture to meditate on, rather than my belly button. Say I read the parable of “The Lost Sheep.” Throughout my meditation, I imagine I am in the first century listening to Christ as He sat in a boat on the Lake of Galilee. I also may imagine myself as a lost lamb waiting for my Shepherd to find me. During this time, I remain silent and keep the TV and radio turned off.
      I recommend you read Interior Castle by Theresa of Avila and Celebration of Discipline by Richard Foster. There is a rich tradition of meditation in the Church. Rather than becoming enlightened or believing ourselves to be God, meditation should show us what small and dirty creatures we are. Yet He loves us! This thought will bring tears to my eyes and cause me to marvel for the whole half hour sometimes. I do not consider myself divine after such meditation any more than being married to a man would make me male instead of female.

  37. blah blah!... said

    Mark 3:3-4 ” and He said to the man, ” Step forward” then He said to Them.( pharisees scribes) ” is it lawful on the sabbath to do GOOd or EVIL, to SAVE LIFE or to KILL?…
    but they kept silent.

  38. Prayer and meditation (initially) are two separate types of practice. Until one is disengaged with the mind, one will use the mind during prayer. It is always important when reading scripture to become familiar with the setting, who was being taught and why. It’s pretty basic. What most people forget is that when Jesus spoke, it was God speaking thru him, and the message given to one person would be for that individual or group- because the needs of that situation were being addressed. If a person with a heart condition went to a doctor for help, the doctor wouldn’t treat the person for pregnancy. God knows what “healing” is needed and one should not assume the same words of healing apply to all people all the time. Evidence of this is the Old and New Testament.

  39. Pete said

    To Rose and Ricky,

    I believe that that we should only meditate on God’s word the way he has told us to. Pray, think about the scripture, mull it over in your head.
    I think that [Ricky] you take it too far in what you do. It reminds me of Nadab and Abihu when they offered “strange fire” before the Lord. They had committed a terrible sin and God had not said “Don’t do it this way,” He simply told them what TO do. I think Ricky that you are in a sense offering “strange fire” before the Lord because you are “worshiping” Him in a way that He has not given you permission to. And stop encouraging others in your practice because in my view, you are damning them to hell. I hope you understand what I am trying to say because I am only a teen.

    The Lord bless you and keep you.
    ~Pete

  40. JO'D said

    Try http://www.wccm.org – a World Community for Christian Mediation, based on a very ancient christian tradition and a practice inspired by Jesus. It was revived in our day by the Benedictine John Main.

  41. […] as one source observes the following scripture seems to give the reasonable directive for Christians as this:   Psalm […]

  42. Stu said

    Rose, I pray that you don’t take my statements as an insult, but contemplation and meditation in the style you term “New Age” is a practice as old as the Church itself. Mystical union with the One Most High is the source of all Scripture.

    Look to the original Apostolic Fathers, the first century Desert Fathers, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Thomas Aquinas, Gregory the Great, John the Scot, St. Francis of Assisi, Meister Eckhart, Hildegard of Bingen, St. John of the Cross, and St.Teresa of Avila as a few examples Christian “mysticism” in early to middle Christian history.

    It’s been said by a number of these canonized Saints that enlightenment and Truth is attained through the very “mystical union” you describe in your comments and by nothing short of it. Contemplative prayer (including centering prayers, stillness, recitation, and concentration) are the foundation upon which all knowledge of God is built upon.

    I respect your right to practice your faith in any way you see fit and ask that you afford the same courtesy to all of God’s children. If one day you find yourself drawn by love to empty some of yourself that you might be filled with only a taste of the Holy Spirit, I can promise that no amount intellectual analysis of literature will ever replace simple pleasure of letting go and allowing God’s love to pour over you.

    God Bless.

  43. Jay said

    “Be still and know that I am God.” Meditation to me is just sitting down, being still, and shutting up, and experiencing to presence of God on the person of the Holy Spirit.

  44. Rob said

    I don’t know if this will help but I was told meditations root meaning is to think, or ponder. Basically it’s what you’ll be thinking or meditating on. Another thing, the average brain flows in and out of meditation about 2700 times a day. Anyway, when I meditate it’s always in the name of Jesus.

  45. religion in all its forms causes anger, hatred and judgment of others. Jesus hated religion. The only people Jesus was very stern with was the religious people of his day who were so determined to defend their orthodoxy that they missed the messiah in their midst. He called them “tombs filled with dead mans bones.” Very telling and I admit the topic of meditation is a complex one and needs examining. However, as I have read through all the comments here it becomes clear that religion has dictated the response of some and there is no love or peace in their tone but only religious condemnation. I do not have the answer to the question of meditation but I DO KNOW THE ANSWER GIVER. Perhaps that is who should be questioned on this topic for he is the only one who can truly guide us. The defenders of the faith need to remember that it is HIS mercy that leads us to repentance, not his condemnation!! It is HIS love that changes hearts and minds, not anger and rebuke. It is HIS spirit that guides us into all truth. Not some religious dogma or pastoral oration. As Christians we are so good at being redeemed that we forget we once were just as damaged as the lost are. We do not have a commodity on salvation. That’s God’s job. We are to love the lost and broken into the kingdom, not scold them like bad children….. just saying.
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  46. Currently, i dedicated a Temple, called ‘CHRIST MEDITATION TEMPLE’ to God. It’s a Holy place we worship God in spirit. John 4: 22-24, But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. “GOD is spirit, those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth”. And meditation is the act of worshiping in spirit. Within your Temple, O God, we meditate on your unfailing love ( Ps. 48:9). I believed in meditation, it connected me to God more.
    By John Egbodo.

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  48. Rob said

    neurologists say we hit alpha levels twenty thousand times a day. Meditations root word is (to think). I used to very big into it, presonaly I can’t without straying away from Jesus, and life’s be better sense I’ve decided to simple live and believe. I know some people can, but I think it’s best to make your own or do your homework, for instants the funny stretching people do in yoga is actually spelling out their gods names. Just wanted to put out some helpful info.

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