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	<title>Comments on: CNN: Believer Bitter Over Prosperity Teachings</title>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-33224</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if you read in the scriptures there was a woman who didn&#039;t have any money at all and Jesus said to her she gave more than all the rich people were giving because she gave out of faith. If you only give off of your over flow you&#039;re not giving by faith because the Bible say &quot;Without FAITH it is impossible to please God.&quot; So give out of your over flow shows you don&#039;t trust God. Right now is the most important time to start giving. Don&#039;t you find it strange that after they investigated these pastors that the economy fell tremendously? I sow off of what I don&#039;t have and because of that men are now giving into my bossom more. God didn&#039;t give off his overflow he gave his &quot;Only&quot; begotten Son Jesus. See we think that God doesn&#039;t want us to give but truth be told if you want more than just finance but favor along with your financial seed you must give. He gives seeds to the sower wich means your finance he doesn&#039;t want you to just live off of your job he wants your harvest to be greater. Even if it&#039;s just 1 business he wants you to have great wealth. &quot;Beloved I wish above ALL things that thou may PROSPER and be in good health even as thy soul prosperith.&quot; 3 John 1:2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you read in the scriptures there was a woman who didn&#8217;t have any money at all and Jesus said to her she gave more than all the rich people were giving because she gave out of faith. If you only give off of your over flow you&#8217;re not giving by faith because the Bible say &#8220;Without FAITH it is impossible to please God.&#8221; So give out of your over flow shows you don&#8217;t trust God. Right now is the most important time to start giving. Don&#8217;t you find it strange that after they investigated these pastors that the economy fell tremendously? I sow off of what I don&#8217;t have and because of that men are now giving into my bossom more. God didn&#8217;t give off his overflow he gave his &#8220;Only&#8221; begotten Son Jesus. See we think that God doesn&#8217;t want us to give but truth be told if you want more than just finance but favor along with your financial seed you must give. He gives seeds to the sower wich means your finance he doesn&#8217;t want you to just live off of your job he wants your harvest to be greater. Even if it&#8217;s just 1 business he wants you to have great wealth. &#8220;Beloved I wish above ALL things that thou may PROSPER and be in good health even as thy soul prosperith.&#8221; 3 John 1:2</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find your discussion rather interesting. The fact is I know you are both believers, Born again, a part of the same body. You both see things differently and I am thankfull that God is a personal God and His love is great enough for the both of you. I realize that none of us are going to understand everything thia side of heaven and God will complete His work in us as believers until He comes but the one thing I know is the world will know that we are of God by our love. That is to be the defining characteristic of the church. Not the love that the world gives but a setapart kind of love that goes beyond our own understanding of scripture and me thinking I&#039;m right and I know what God has shown me. I know different believers that are on either side and they both love God and are seeking to honor Him. Lets leave it to God to bring us all into Christlikness and love each other while we are in that process. God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your discussion rather interesting. The fact is I know you are both believers, Born again, a part of the same body. You both see things differently and I am thankfull that God is a personal God and His love is great enough for the both of you. I realize that none of us are going to understand everything thia side of heaven and God will complete His work in us as believers until He comes but the one thing I know is the world will know that we are of God by our love. That is to be the defining characteristic of the church. Not the love that the world gives but a setapart kind of love that goes beyond our own understanding of scripture and me thinking I&#8217;m right and I know what God has shown me. I know different believers that are on either side and they both love God and are seeking to honor Him. Lets leave it to God to bring us all into Christlikness and love each other while we are in that process. God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha haha !!!!! Actually, I&#039;m not Job or John. These are seperate people and we have our own minds. I don&#039;t just believe in no criticism of evil. I believe in legitimate dissent and strong criticism against false doctrine. 


By Timothy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha haha !!!!! Actually, I&#8217;m not Job or John. These are seperate people and we have our own minds. I don&#8217;t just believe in no criticism of evil. I believe in legitimate dissent and strong criticism against false doctrine. </p>
<p>By Timothy</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see:   Truth Seeker, Job, John and &quot;Independent Conservative.&quot;  Is it all the same person?  Hmm?  Sounds like a tagged team conspiracy.  Pretty transparent.  I get it; won&#039;t be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see:   Truth Seeker, Job, John and &#8220;Independent Conservative.&#8221;  Is it all the same person?  Hmm?  Sounds like a tagged team conspiracy.  Pretty transparent.  I get it; won&#8217;t be back.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Conservative</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30838</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie,

Is someone who tells you that you can buy a gift of God or they can sell such your brother?

I say as Peter said, they are not a brother, but one in need of repentance.  If they hold to their perverted doctrines, may their silver perish with them.

&lt;b&gt;Acts 8:18-23 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
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 18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles&#039; hands, he offered them money,

 19 saying, &quot;Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.&quot;

 20 But Peter said to him, &quot;May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!

 21 &quot;You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.

 22 &quot;Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you.

 23 &quot;For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.&quot; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I say as Paul said, that those who claim godliness as a means of gain are of a depraved mind and deprived of the truth.


&lt;b&gt;1 Timothy 6:3-5 (New American Standard Bible)&lt;/b&gt;
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3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,

 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,

 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Melanie, I believe that every word of scripture is the Word of God, that it is exactly what God Himself says on these matters.

I look forward to your response to my question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie,</p>
<p>Is someone who tells you that you can buy a gift of God or they can sell such your brother?</p>
<p>I say as Peter said, they are not a brother, but one in need of repentance.  If they hold to their perverted doctrines, may their silver perish with them.</p>
<p><b>Acts 8:18-23 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
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 18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles&#8217; hands, he offered them money,</p>
<p> 19 saying, &#8220;Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.&#8221;</p>
<p> 20 But Peter said to him, &#8220;May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!</p>
<p> 21 &#8220;You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.</p>
<p> 22 &#8220;Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you.</p>
<p> 23 &#8220;For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>I say as Paul said, that those who claim godliness as a means of gain are of a depraved mind and deprived of the truth.</p>
<p><b>1 Timothy 6:3-5 (New American Standard Bible)</b></p>
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3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,</p>
<p> 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,</p>
<p> 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Melanie, I believe that every word of scripture is the Word of God, that it is exactly what God Himself says on these matters.</p>
<p>I look forward to your response to my question.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30837</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John!  I don&#039;t watch cable television.  I&#039;m a Prayer Warrior and most days I fast from television.  I spend most of my time praying (a lot), reading and studying the word, working on my blogs; (I have many), helping hubby with his businesses and getting my certification.  So, I don&#039;t have the luxury of watching the shows you may be referring to.  My compassion comes from my heart.  God instilled. I haven&#039;t been called to criticize my brethern.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John!  I don&#8217;t watch cable television.  I&#8217;m a Prayer Warrior and most days I fast from television.  I spend most of my time praying (a lot), reading and studying the word, working on my blogs; (I have many), helping hubby with his businesses and getting my certification.  So, I don&#8217;t have the luxury of watching the shows you may be referring to.  My compassion comes from my heart.  God instilled. I haven&#8217;t been called to criticize my brethern.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kaniecki</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30802</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kaniecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie,

Hi hope you are well. 

There is a difference between a legalist and speaking the Truth in Love.

When somebody comes we should not accept them. Read Galatians 1:8.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is not about prosperity. In fact a large part about it includes suffering. &quot;Yea and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.&quot; 2Timothy 3:12. Are they teaching you that on the cable tv shows?

Love,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie,</p>
<p>Hi hope you are well. </p>
<p>There is a difference between a legalist and speaking the Truth in Love.</p>
<p>When somebody comes we should not accept them. Read Galatians 1:8.</p>
<p>The gospel of Jesus Christ is not about prosperity. In fact a large part about it includes suffering. &#8220;Yea and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.&#8221; 2Timothy 3:12. Are they teaching you that on the cable tv shows?</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30800</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me, I&#039;m not &quot;legalistic.&quot;  Alls I know is that we&#039;re all the body and if something is wrong with one part of the body it effects us all.   There&#039;s a very fine line of criticism for &quot;the body&quot;.  Unfortunately, saints are often influenced by non believers in their criticisms in the body.  I take the high road; if others choose another course that;s between them and God.  We agree to disagree.  All the best.  I won&#039;t continue on...it produces no fruit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me, I&#8217;m not &#8220;legalistic.&#8221;  Alls I know is that we&#8217;re all the body and if something is wrong with one part of the body it effects us all.   There&#8217;s a very fine line of criticism for &#8220;the body&#8221;.  Unfortunately, saints are often influenced by non believers in their criticisms in the body.  I take the high road; if others choose another course that;s between them and God.  We agree to disagree.  All the best.  I won&#8217;t continue on&#8230;it produces no fruit.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kaniecki</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30780</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kaniecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie,

Hi hope you are well.  What do you think the epistles of Paul, Peter and John are about.  A great deal of teaching is dealing with apostate brethren. 3John Verse 9 even names one, Diotrephes.  If somebody is preaching a false gospel we have every right to teach the true gospel!

Love,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie,</p>
<p>Hi hope you are well.  What do you think the epistles of Paul, Peter and John are about.  A great deal of teaching is dealing with apostate brethren. 3John Verse 9 even names one, Diotrephes.  If somebody is preaching a false gospel we have every right to teach the true gospel!</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30770</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t when Jesus Christ will come back. Certainly, we are in the latter days before of the propetic events occuring. As for criticizing other Christians, there is nothing wrong with expressing sincere dissent with a Christian about an issue. Some dissent or correction is needed from time to time among any Christians. It gets to be inappropriate when slander or intention lies become wrapped around in the equation. 

By Timothy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t when Jesus Christ will come back. Certainly, we are in the latter days before of the propetic events occuring. As for criticizing other Christians, there is nothing wrong with expressing sincere dissent with a Christian about an issue. Some dissent or correction is needed from time to time among any Christians. It gets to be inappropriate when slander or intention lies become wrapped around in the equation. </p>
<p>By Timothy</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30759</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. The Christian mindset will be just fine in 40 years.  Jesus will be back way before then.  Get ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. The Christian mindset will be just fine in 40 years.  Jesus will be back way before then.  Get ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/cnn-believer-bitter-over-prosperity-teachings/#comment-30758</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never could understand what made people criticize other Christians.  Now, I know that you really feel justified in doing so. 

If you chastise your brother...it&#039;s supposed to be between you and your brother.  Paul and Peter never put out a special report to tell the world when Brother so and so messed up.  

I&#039;m not trying to be funny or offensive.  It&#039;s just that it lets me know that my prayers have to be more fervent.  For you, I&#039;m praying that God will gift you with a heart open to compassion for your fellow brethern and not just when it suits you.  That&#039;s not love.  

We all fall short, my prayer is that whatever we need to focus on...that each of us will.  I&#039;m not supposed to be even writing to you.  I just do it as a courtesy.  I repent of God because I want God to get Glory from my writings that they may not be in vain.  I pray for you that God will take you to higher levels and that you will walk worthy of the vocation to which you have been called.  In Jesus Name and by his blood.  Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never could understand what made people criticize other Christians.  Now, I know that you really feel justified in doing so. </p>
<p>If you chastise your brother&#8230;it&#8217;s supposed to be between you and your brother.  Paul and Peter never put out a special report to tell the world when Brother so and so messed up.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be funny or offensive.  It&#8217;s just that it lets me know that my prayers have to be more fervent.  For you, I&#8217;m praying that God will gift you with a heart open to compassion for your fellow brethern and not just when it suits you.  That&#8217;s not love.  </p>
<p>We all fall short, my prayer is that whatever we need to focus on&#8230;that each of us will.  I&#8217;m not supposed to be even writing to you.  I just do it as a courtesy.  I repent of God because I want God to get Glory from my writings that they may not be in vain.  I pray for you that God will take you to higher levels and that you will walk worthy of the vocation to which you have been called.  In Jesus Name and by his blood.  Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: Job</title>
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		<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie:

&quot;Also, how is that you feel that God gets glory from your putting down other Christians? I’m just curious.&quot;

Two things. 

1. Apostates, heretics, and blasphemers are not Christians. The Bible makes that clear. Please read the epistles of Peter, Timothy, John, and Jude.

2. Even among Christians, issuing warnings and rebukes to Christians when they are wrong is not only appropriate, but it is REQUIRED. If you see your brother sinning and refuse to try to help him, you cannot claim to love him or God. If you loved him, you would try to stop him from causing himself grievous spiritual harm by sinning. If you loved God, you would want your brother to stop offending God - for God hates sin! - with his wayward actions. Further, read Galatians. If Paul was able to correct Peter, we should correct each other. And before you state that Paul received his authority to correct by being an apostle, please recall that Peter was an apostle as well. So yes, God is glorified by my A) standing up for His truth and B) helping get a wayward Christian back o the right path.

Incidentally, if it is wrong to &quot;put other Christians down&quot;, exactly what is it that you feel pastors are supposed to do? Preaching is only part of a pastor&#039;s job. (As a matter of fact, not all preachers are pastors, and all pastors need not necessarily preach.) When you look at the original context and especially the original language, the pastor is the SHEPHERD of a local congregation, and the members of the congregation are HIS SHEEP. As you know, sheep get into all sorts of trouble, and frequently need the shepherd to get them out of it. Sheep often get lost, and need the shepherd to go find them and bring them back into the fold. Sister Melanie, if &quot;putting other Christians down&quot; does not glorify God, then how is a pastor supposed to keep his sheep in line? What is he supposed to do if his members start cheating, gossiping, lying, idling, boasting, or committing adultery if condemning their sinful behavior does not honor God? 

That people even have this attitude that we are not supposed to criticize Christians when they do wrong and are wrong shows how far the current church has gotten not only from the early church, but even from the Christianity of a mere 40 years ago! Unless God sends another &quot;Great Awakening&quot; type of revival, it really makes me wonder what the mindset of Christians is going to be 40 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie:</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, how is that you feel that God gets glory from your putting down other Christians? I’m just curious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two things. </p>
<p>1. Apostates, heretics, and blasphemers are not Christians. The Bible makes that clear. Please read the epistles of Peter, Timothy, John, and Jude.</p>
<p>2. Even among Christians, issuing warnings and rebukes to Christians when they are wrong is not only appropriate, but it is REQUIRED. If you see your brother sinning and refuse to try to help him, you cannot claim to love him or God. If you loved him, you would try to stop him from causing himself grievous spiritual harm by sinning. If you loved God, you would want your brother to stop offending God &#8211; for God hates sin! &#8211; with his wayward actions. Further, read Galatians. If Paul was able to correct Peter, we should correct each other. And before you state that Paul received his authority to correct by being an apostle, please recall that Peter was an apostle as well. So yes, God is glorified by my A) standing up for His truth and B) helping get a wayward Christian back o the right path.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if it is wrong to &#8220;put other Christians down&#8221;, exactly what is it that you feel pastors are supposed to do? Preaching is only part of a pastor&#8217;s job. (As a matter of fact, not all preachers are pastors, and all pastors need not necessarily preach.) When you look at the original context and especially the original language, the pastor is the SHEPHERD of a local congregation, and the members of the congregation are HIS SHEEP. As you know, sheep get into all sorts of trouble, and frequently need the shepherd to get them out of it. Sheep often get lost, and need the shepherd to go find them and bring them back into the fold. Sister Melanie, if &#8220;putting other Christians down&#8221; does not glorify God, then how is a pastor supposed to keep his sheep in line? What is he supposed to do if his members start cheating, gossiping, lying, idling, boasting, or committing adultery if condemning their sinful behavior does not honor God? </p>
<p>That people even have this attitude that we are not supposed to criticize Christians when they do wrong and are wrong shows how far the current church has gotten not only from the early church, but even from the Christianity of a mere 40 years ago! Unless God sends another &#8220;Great Awakening&#8221; type of revival, it really makes me wonder what the mindset of Christians is going to be 40 years from now.</p>
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