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I understand the need for clarity and discernment but only when expressed in a christlike manner. anyone ever heard the verse let he who has not sinned cast the first stone?oh yeah, its a big one huh.or maybe even the one about the plank versus the splinter. the literal definition of a christian is one who is christlike. christ would not violently, vehemently and systematically annihilate someone, granted he did throw over a table in the temple because people were selling things in his fathers house but HE DID NOT attack the individual, rather he addressed the spiritual situation and the corruption and came at with love. what then is attacking someone who is not perfect achieve? nothing. nothing at all. if they will know christ through our love for one another then i would say this is not a good example. ghandi said a very interesting quote “i love your jesus, its your christians i cannot stand” i believe that is highly valid. i was an atheist till about three years ago until i went to ywam in perth australia and was permanently changed. now dont get me wrong i still lie occasionally and yeah i completely mess up but God came that we would have a tangible relationship with him NOT RELIGION. i pray that we can all find grace in our hearts to extend to todd bentley and various others, because after all if we didnt need God to come and save/forgive us we might as well give up. so i say, dont give up, get off your pedestals, be the salt and the light, not yet another christian who spouts doctrines and ignores christs words.jesus hung out with whores and tax collectors and fed the hungry and hmmmm IMAGINE THIS actually gave a crap about the people he met. that is what will change people, Gods love moving through vessels that will submit to Him. God is not a teddy bear who we should walk all over and say sorry just so we can get into Heaven he is a terrible beauty who demands our respect and our love. He is not a gallows man either, hanging on the edge of his seat to damn us for eternity. its about relationship people, HE WALKED WITH ADAM AND EVE in the garden and he still wants to walk with us. now stop attacking each other and leaving a foul taste in the world and Gods mouth. love as he loved.
and you know what, we all have that deep dark secret that no one on this earth knows, GOD DOES. and only he knows the true depth of everymans transgressions. todd bentley included. be blessed and guard your tongue, its a double edged sword you know.

Sometimes, God has to work in spite of who is leading, but He is faithful to help those that sincerely believe.

angel

So when i see sites like this that simply are EMBARASSING! Do we have so little to do that we slag anyone and everyone off who may ruffle our feathers slightly? Im not saying anyone is wrong or right – but in the end we ALL will stand before God. Only He knows our hearts. Only He can judge. Surely what is important is that we (together) strive to see Gods kingdom come here on earth. That we passioate to see lives saved and people know Jesus.

This site is the kind of site that just shouts ’spot the sad Christian’. yes we need a place to speak out and have free speech – but if a non believer stumbled upon this site (as I did) I can imagine what would go through their minds – and it would be complimentary!

Please lets move on – yes stuff is happening in Florida – but its also happening everywhere else. Churches in London are seeing God move incredibly – one church has just see over 1000 people come to know Jesus in the last 3 months – with not a ‘BAIM’ in sight!

God is working – lets not hinder that with petty, moaning sad sounding stereotypical christian chat. Surely we’re on the same side? wanting the same goals?

To GOD be the glory – great things HE HAS done.

S

Nice post but I get the impression that you are of the persuasion
that these deceivers deserved to be coddled and with hopes that
they may yet confess and turn back to Christ.
I do not think the Apostle Paul would be so kind and he would be
rebuking them due to their damage to the Body of Christ.
When John used words as you brood of vipers and when Jesus drove
out, with a whip, the moneychangers in the temple, he did not
stop to pray for them and restore them.
You are applying different scriptures to situations that do not
call for comfort and succor but of judgment and forsaking such
people (Pat King among many others) who God has given over to
a spirit of delusion since they love not the truth.
You can coddle them and speak kindly to them…I will not
and it will be seasoned and edifying…that is I will not give
credence or an edge to the Todd Bentleys in the hopes that they
will see the error of their ways. They have made choices to follow Satan and his crowd and I will not simply pat them on the
head and ask them to repent. Others have done so and they have
not repented because they have no intent to do so.
Do I know their heart and intent? Absolutely! Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks….they are doing what
they planned to do.
If they can intimidate Christians to simnply give them “gushy
love” and not be critical, that is the space that they need to do
more damage to believers.
If can watch the actual videos of the Todd Bentley’s and your
approach is to be seasoned in your speech with them and not to
warn everyone to stay away…you are doing a disservice to the
Body of Christ under the polly anna guise of being charitable and
kind and having patience.

It’s not hatred. Todd claims he visited Christ and made outlandish claims. That’s a liar. Stop being so mealy mouthed.

Kyle

I just put a post up today refuting the “little gods” heresy, Refuting the Heresy of the False Little Gods Doctrine.

You know we were once part of the hyper-charismatic, name it claim it, bind Satan with the words of your mouth, babbling like a brook bunch before. We’ve seen their claims of “power” are not true to scripture and what power really is, the power to resurrect the dead which is God’s alone. We ran with their so-called power before and thank God through Jesus Christ we learned better by the Holy Spirit and got away from them.

They are in all the bondage warned of in Matthew 23 with their blind guides and they don’t even know it.

I just read your other comment about, “Brown eyes like bambi”. This is the other problem with the Pimp followers. They are easily duped by “so-called” Holy Men who have seen and spoke to God Himself. It is actually a cult. Like most cult leaders they always claim some special divine connection with God that only they have experienced. By doing this the people are easily duped into the “WOW” “OH” this is an anointed vessel of God WHO ACTUALLY SPOKE TO JESUS HIMSELF. They actually believe in these mystical transfiguration of them self into the realm of the heavenlys. CULT ALERT!

Kyle

Did you catch the comment towards me, “The real pulpit pimps are those who would keep people in bondage to a powerless Christianity and remove personal responsibility for their actions through a theological system that tells them everything in their lives, both good and bad, was pre-ordained by God and not a result of their personal choices.”

Lets dissect this for a moment. “Powerless Christianity” Like most Hyper-Pentecostals they assume some sort of power or little god status as if they can do anything outside the sovereign will of God. Let’s look at the “responsibility for their actions” comment. Yes, you are responsible for your actions and that is why if you are not saved you have already been condemned to hell. You were born inherently evil. The unbeliever has no desire to follow God. The plain truth of the gospel message is so simple. And, if it truly is that simple why don’t people embrace it? Because they don’t know the voice of their Lord. As for keeping people in bondage its actually the opposite. In fact its the Pimps who keep YOU in bondage by making you sow love offerings, babble, get slain “so-called” in the spirit, and fawn over these people. Have any of the Pimp followers ever listened to themselves? They actually worship these people. This is called idolatry.

Kyle