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Is It OK For A Christian To Smoke Marijuana?

Posted by Job on December 22, 2007

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(Please note: this is a Bill Keller devotional. I do not have a television show. Or anything like that.) A question I get at least once a day and many times a week on my television
program is, “Is it OK to smoke marijuana?” The person asking the question
always throws in that marijuana comes from God and that makes it all right.
There are also many websites that give people what they think is Biblical
support that smoking marijuana is acceptable for a Christian. Before I deal
with this issue in more depth, let me answer the question first. NO! Letter
N. Letter O. NO!

Why no? Let’s start first with the fact it is ILLEGAL! You really don’t need
any other reason. However, putting that fact to the side, let’s deal with
the argument that it is OK to smoke pot since it is a creation of God. Yes,
God did create the plant marijuana comes from. However, God NEVER intended
you to dry the plant out, go to 7-11 and buy a pack of Zig Zags, crumble the
dried plant in the rolling paper, roll it up and smoke it. That my friend is
a perverted use of God’s creation.

In addition to the fact it is illegal and a perverted use of God’s creation,
smoking marijuana is extremely harmful to your health. It is actually worse
than smoking cigarettes and can kill you. Sucking that toxic smoke into your
lungs will not only ruin your health and take years from your life, but it
is polluting the temple of the Holy Spirit. The only difference between
smoking marijuana and putting a loaded revolver to your temple and pulling
the trigger is the gun will kill you instantly and smoking marijuana takes
some time.

Lastly, the only reason you smoke marijuana is to get that “high” feeling.
God wants us to have a SOUND mind, not an altered mind! When you are high,
you are not able to think clear and under the influence of marijuana will
make choices that you normally would never make otherwise. We have spoken in
the past how every day we make many choices. Our choices to follow and obey
God bring blessings. Our choices to rebel against God bring consequences.
When you are high you are much more likely to make choices in rebellion to
God and His Word and end up paying a huge price for those choices.

Listen my friend, satan is the great justifier. He will always help you to
rationalize and justify sinning against God, almost making it seem like the
right thing to do. There is absolutely NO Biblical support for smoking
marijuana. The same game people play in using the Bible to try and justify
the sin of homosexuality is played in using the Bible to try and justify
smoking pot. Taking verses out of context, stating a verse means one thing
when it clearly means another, making assumptions the Word does not support,
are all tricks the enemy will use to try and justify smoking marijuana.
Never forget, satan is a LIAR!

Let me add that I am well aware that marijuana is also used medicinally by
terminally ill people with cancer and other diseases. We are talking about a
fraction of 1% who are in this group and have been legally prescribed
medicinal marijuana by a doctor. What we are talking about today is the 99+%
who smoke marijuana illegally simply to get high. I am also well aware of
the efforts by some to legalize marijuana and the various arguments on both
sides. The biggest mind altering substance is already legal and that is
alcohol. We don’t need another mind altering substance legalized that will
create even more marijuana addicts. Marijuana already destroys so many lives
and legalizing it will only destroy more.

I love you and care about you so much. If you ever wanted a great example of
the power of our culture today, just the fact I am doing an entire
Devotional on this issue is proof of that. While for most reading these
words today, this topic is a no brainer, I can assure you there will be many
who think there is nothing wrong with smoking marijuana. They will tell you
it is no different than alcohol, though they forget one small detail.
Drinking alcohol, as bad as it is, is legal while smoking marijuana is
against the law. It is not only illegal but is ruins your health, alters
your mind, is a perverted use of God’s creation, and destroys lives.

For those of you in bondage to marijuana or who knows someone who is, I want
you to know that it is no accident you are reading these words today. God is
speaking to you about quitting. The first step to finding freedom from this
bondage you are in to marijuana is to want to quit. Once you come to that
place, God will help deliver you and set you free by His power. It is like
any other bondage, you need to find people to be accountable to, drop those
in your life who are still part of that world, and fully surrender to the
Lord and find His strength each day to walk in victory.

If you are in bondage to marijuana or know someone who is, I will be praying
today for the Lord to deliver you or the one you know from that bondage.
Smoking marijuana is just a momentary escape from life that doesn’t solve
your problems, only compounds them. Satan wants to keep you in bondage to
marijuana, God wants to set you free. I will be praying for you or the one
you know today to quit listening to the lies of satan whose goal is to
destroy you, and start listening to God who wants to bless you.

The greatest high of this life doesn’t come from smoking pot, the greatest
high in this life comes from the Spirit of the living God!

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller bkeller@liveprayer.com

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221 Responses to “Is It OK For A Christian To Smoke Marijuana?”

  1. Angie said

    When you read Genesis 1:11-12, all the herbs and seeds of the earth was good in His sight. Marijuana and cocaine is considered healing herbs. It is when man abused these herbs for his own selfish use that it became illegal.

    • Ides said

      alright.
      yes, in genesis it says all the herbs and seeds were good.
      which means marijuana is good.
      yes he didnt say to dry it roll it, and smoke it.
      BUT,if u eat it,it does the same exact thing as smoking it.
      so. thats why people waaay back in bible times couldve smoked marijuana.

      wayy back in that time people didnt think it was bad like everyone else does, and since it gives u such a great feeling, of course they ate it. then towards the times of modernization when they started smoking tobacco, they most likey smoked marjiuana.

      now, cocaine on the other hand, is a plant.
      BUT, they pick it, grind it, and add chemicals to it. THAT IS BAD!!!
      that makes it “manmade.” god did not intend for us to do that.
      now if u just picked the plant and ate it, im not sure what it would do, but that would be fine, because your not adding chemicals.
      so i just stay away from anything other than marijuana because the herb is meditational.

      when u sit back and smoke the herb, u meditate, im not very religious, but my parents are mormon, and half the time i smoke i think about god.
      i think about the possibility of god, or other gods, and how it would work.
      so in some way/shape/or form,ganja/kaya/marijuana/pot/bud/herb/weed or whatever you or other people call this sacred plant, it’s not as bad as everyone thinks.
      the government made it illegel as a scapegoat, for blame.

      and it does not effect your health as much as u think. its not even close to as bad as ciggarettes, and it CAN NOT KILL YOU!!!!!!!!! 0 recorded deaths in the whole world from an overdose of marijuana or effects of. did u know that? no you didnt because everyone is brainwashed to how bad it is.

      my time is up… ive preached my speech.
      i smoked marjiuana. and i believe god is ok with that. im only 15 years old.

    • Tina said

      My best friend has had ulcerative colitis since she was 15 years old, everything has been done but the only solution as far as doctors are concerned is steroids and prescription drugs (Most of them should be illegal, pot should be legal) she still is sick but she did discover that when she smokes pot it stops the hemmoraging and the pain, so much for pharmacutical drugs that pretty much did nothing.

  2. Charles D. said

    I agree wholeheartedly. But, what constitutes abuse, I sure can’t call it. Nonetheless, I agree and right-on (if that term doesn’t age me).

    Chas.

  3. johnkaniecki said

    Greetings,

    I wish everyone a blessed holiday season.

    I would never smoke marijuana on the fact that the United States government has illegalized it. I know from personal experience that marijuana works the opposite way then other drugs. That is the more ‘weed’ that you use the less it takes you to reach a high. This is the opposite of heroine which requires more and more of the drug to satisfy the addict’s gravings. (I never got involved with heroine thank God.)

    Saying all this I would support marijuana’s legalization for medical uses. I understand it is quite useful.

    Angie I think if you research it that you will find out that marijuana didn’t become illegal because of its abuse but rather that the men who developed the musical style called the “blues” were heavy into it.

    I’ll try to find a good web site on google tonight.

    Love,

    John
    I recall meeting a man at the Manhattan Church of Christ one Sunday. I gave the man my number that day after a long conversation. That night I was awakened out of bed. “There’s somebody from prison calling you.” The man I had tried to minister to got arrested. Another brother took him to a plush New Jersey suburb near New York City. The curious police took the man who suffered with glacoma and threw him in jail.

    It used to be in Manhattan that it was easier to buy marijuana than alcohol. At least in the bars and liquor stores they ask for ID. They don’t care if its legal or not they just want to see it. That way if in the miniscule chance the police come then they can say they were fooled.

    Love,

    John

    • Tyler said

      You would never smoke marijuana because the US government has illegalized it!? Did you ever think that maybe the government was wrong? That maybe they made a stupid mistake and the only reason its still illegal is because theyre afraid to admit to the world that they were wrong?

      For thousands and thousands of years marijuana was used freely and responsibly by those who chose to use it, mostly shamans and other spiritual types. Mairijuana has only been illegal in America since 1937 and you think they made it illegal cuz its bad for you right? WRONG!! Marijuana was made illegal because all the policemen in America needed a new scapegoat substance after alcohol prohibition ended. Marijuana was made illegal because of racism and corporate greed. The pharmaceutical companies knew of hemp and marijuanas many medicinal uses and they didnt want the competition. Huge industries that use chemicals to make their products didnt want competition from the hemp plant, which has thousands of uses and can be grown naturally without any pesticides. The original printed copies of the bible were on hemp paper!!! As was the declaration of independence and the constitution. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were both avid hemp growers. America was founded by hemp growers!!!

      In the 20s and 30s your precious US government along with pharmaceutical companies and other people who stood to lose millions of dollars because of hemp started a negative propaganda campaign against marijuana claiming it caused black men and mexicans to rebel against white people and disrespect white women!! Lies!! They claimed it caused you to kill people and become a criminal and insane! MORE LIES!!!! But there was so much propaganda that eventually white middle class america (frightened out of its minds by government lies!) demanded action. How sad. It is absolutely 100 percent against humanity and logic to criminalize marijuana. To put freedom loving happy people in prison for smoking pot is absolutely rediculous. If your against marijuana then your against logic, humanity, and our mother earth!!!!! Hemp and marijuana are the answer to the global economic crisis. Its right in front of our face. A global hemp/marijuana economy would create millions and millions of jobs all over the world. Poorer countries could start producing mass amounts of hemp and eventually become totally self sufficient!! Come on people!!! Its time to start spreading TRUTH!

      YOU the american people should stand up as one and sue your government for 70 years of lies and bullshit. 70 years of fear tactics. 70 years of innocent, hard working, patriotic americans going to prison and having their lives ruined by cannabis laws. 70 years of having your personal freedoms stripped away. WAKE UP!!!

      Please understand I have nothing against christians and im certainly not trying to get anyone to smoke pot. I simply want people to understand the truth. That if you, me, or anyone else wants to smoke pot its a matter of FREEDOM OF CHOICE. You have the choice not to smoke cannabis, and I have the choice to enjoy it. I wont bother you if you dont bother me. Thats the beauty of freedom. Lets end the hatred and start the acceptance and understanding. Now excuse me im gonna roll a baseball bat and enjoy the rest of my day off.

      • james aguilar said

        Your 100% Right-the Bible says our Fight is with the Evil and wickness in high places(THE GOVERNMENT)

  4. Angie said

    Isn’t misusing something or overdoing it to the point of harm considered abuse? I believe that’s what I was getting at.

  5. Angie said

    Sadly, alcohol is legal because it can be abusive and destroys your temple and break up relationships?

    • James said

      okay, well first off I want to say that nobody has ever been killed by Marijuana so It is not deadly. Marijuana actually helps you in some prospects. Eyesight for one instance. I don’t think God ever intended on people smoking marijuana, but he did put it here, and in fact knew that it would be smoked. The Indians smoked weed, that was their medicine. So I say No that it is not okay for christians to smoke weed, only cause the smoke harms gods great temple. (your body). But I don’t think it should Be illegal. I mean come on it does heal.

      • James said

        Oh and you can argue that it harms you too. Well I want you to name one medicine in the world that does not have some kind of side effect that can be harmful to the body. You can’t.

  6. Charles D. said

    Hate to admit it then because I sure abused a goodly portion of a prime rib today, almost to the point of harming myself. The sad part about it is: were the same sitting before me right now, (I probably could avoid it). but my bet is on I would abuse it again :)

    For those who for whatever reason do not celebrate Christmas, I sincerely wish you a blessed day in God, my heavenly father.

    With Love, and Rich Blessings in the Lord,

    Charles

  7. Eden Hadassah said

    Is pot really any different than legalized drugs? Prozac and other types of anti-depressants, which are legal, do far more damage to the human body than pot. That goes for EVERY pharmaceutical drug ever known to hit the drug store shelves. All medication made in a lab. has a horrible effect on the human body. And it is also illegal to purchase them without a perscription. While smoking pot can have a harmful effect on the lungs, prozac has an even greater effect on other body systems. I think if we are going to talk about the harmful effects of drugs, lets not exclude all the drugs. I don’t endorse any drug use, but I think that we need to be fair in presenting a balanced view of all substances. If christians shouldn’t smoke pot because of the “high”, then they shouldn’t take anti-depressants either. Just because one is legal and the other is illegal, if being “high” is the problem and what others call sin, then don’t get high. Not everyone feels that way.
    And maybe it is just “me”, but I don’t think that the scripture about the body being the temple really has to do with substances, but rather sexual sin, gossip, slander, and the like. These are the things that pollute the temple of God.
    There are so many christians that get thrown into the “sinners” category because they smoke cigarettes, which is legal. Why? They will say that it “ruins a person’s witness.” I don’t agree with that. A woman who was grating a smoking christian said it ruins the “witness” while pointing her finger, yet she must have weighed at least three hundred pounds. Now we all know what the bible definitively says about gluttony, so wasn’t her “witness blown” too?

  8. Angie said

    So Charles D, did you take something for that stomach ache? I agree with Eden that gluttony is not a good thing. I would also like to say that it does give you something to think about, concerning certain substances that are legal and illegal. It looks like it is at the discretion of the FDA and the law to make such determinations. Sadly, the FDA has approved lab created drugs that has been life-threatening, but has been know to disapprove alternative medicine before. However, I believe it is at our God-given discretion if put to use,to know when we are misusing and overdoing something, and that includes food. Something came to mind when Jesus said that the temple would be destroyed for three days and then raise up. The people thought He meant a physical synogogue, but He meant his physical death and resurrection. The scripture also said know ye not that ye are the temple of Christ. That is why I believe that the temple is used in the physical sense as well as spiritual and substance abuse can destroy it.

  9. Charles D. said

    As usual, as I read your comment verses were popping into my mind left and right. Regarding the temple of God; Titus 1:15 came to mind, small verse, however if man would understand, then, heed it, it would change his mind for sure and his body and the many parts of it while so doing.

    My woman is an animal lover of the highest order and I don’t mean only the domesticated kind. As such I will not get into various and sundry ways animals play into bring drugs to the market. Over the years she has even manged to show dumb me God’s plan in allowing preditors (and you know what they do to other of weaker animals), and their contribution to the earth, especially, the eco-system. In fact we live, in the social-sense-of-things like a wolf pack of two.

    That said; Fruitcake, I’m assuming that you’ve already forgiven me for the assualt and battery on my dinner yesterevening? But if not, I repent til dinner time tonight:)

    Chaz

  10. Eden Hadassah said

    Oh Chazman! :)
    My comment about gluttony had nothing to do with you at ALL! I know your a beefy kind of guy! Mine was more of the hypocritical views of some believers that point the finger but have brazen scriptural, no grey area sin!
    Prime rib is awesome!
    I hope you had a blessed Christmas. The only thing you need to repent for is not inviting my husband and I to your tasty dinner! But all is forgiven. Everyone in our household was gorged on cornish game hens!

  11. Charles D. said

    Did the scriptures say “for three days” or “in three days?”
    By the time I get a comment, I will have looked it up. I have read it more times than I remember so you will appreciate the innocency of my quiry. But I know for a fact it said the temple of God; and while one can use the words interchangably almost in any instance, the meaning one gather caan be monumental.

    I did take something for a stomach, a 2X2 piece of bread pudding which I made, with sauce consisting of condensed milk, whipping cream, nutmeg, cinnomin, and sherry (not the cooking kind). I am famous church-wide as the best chef under the roof and make specialty desserts (sometimes up to 7-8 per Sunday) for certain of my seniors. It all started at a church family night. I brought a huge bread pudding and my woman chided me for using sherry (19.5% alcohol by volume) in the sauce. By the time dinner was served I was feeling pretty self-conscienious, so I leaned over to our Deacon Emerits (57 yrs active) and told him my babe was giving me problems for using alcohol in the sauce, though he was kidding (I believe), he leaned over a told my wife that “anything short of a quart is not wrong.”

    Have a good one.

    Chaz

  12. Charles D. said

    Hey Fruitcake :)

    I knew it was time for me to leave for work because you never talk to me til I have to leave :(

    Hey you, I love RARE beef and my woman tease me about stuffing my face and never changing my 6’1 205 frame. In fact I can loose up to 2-3lbs overnight. She’s not large in my estimation 130 but if she gains an ouch that becomes a point of contention, though I know she’s halfteasing when she feign irritation at my weight loss.

    Though I work longer than full-time, I have prepared every single meal we’ve eaten together since, well actually, before and since we have been married. There is both a testimony and long story I will share with you in the future.

    Take care and have a blessed day.

    Chaz

  13. Eden Hadassah said

    Charles!
    You should know better than to post your wife’s weight on the board! Women are touchy about their weight. If she finds out you told the world how much she weighs, you may have bigger problems then the fact that you can lose it so fast. ;)

  14. estelle said

    I am a follower of Christ but when i read any of the comments i actually want to cry, it is true we lack knowledge of the word of God we need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling,we spend to much time commenting on other people how they believe,one thing i do belief every knee shall bow and every tonge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord the word of God is not a lie. what is God going to find us doing if we are constantly in judgement of other people then we definately not doing his work but being selfrighteous Judges we nee to perfect our selves , it is find if we are sitting in the company of people wanting to explain spirituality to them if we have the full stature and the understanding of the word in us, some of us donnot understand spiritualty ourselves it just proves that we all come short for the glory of God we have selfrighteous spirits we need to study the word of God to find our selves approved it is such a pity we cannot love unconditionaly like Jesus did and stil do.we need to study so that we could receive a blessing from God in his word when he shines his light on it for you to get understanding of him also know who he is, then we will not ever sit in Judgement of anybody, the worst thing anyone of us can do is become spiritual trouble makers creating problems in our own spirit, instead of spreading the love of God by being obedient in his word. Please get understanding and ask love conquers, have a desire to have the full stature of Jesus inside of you. Make it a desire to understand .I am saying in love to all who is sitting in judgement of any person who is not believing the way you do but help those in love by giving the word in a spirit of humility.i love all of you and will love to hear your comments. ps this is my overall comments as i have read most of the people comments and found that some of them do not know what they are talking about no wisdom or understanding.

  15. Angie said

    Charles D
    It should be that in three days, He would raise it up. My bad.

  16. Job said

    estelle:

    Compare your words to what the Bible actually says and also to the words of actual Christian leaders of the past instead of these modern humanistic false Christian leaders that preach a false gospel of self – indulgence and you will find your words wanting.

  17. Eden Hadassah said

    Estelle,

    I truly do not understand how you can say what you said. I say this also in love.
    You have talked about the love of Christ, and about not judging, yet judging is all you have done in your above post.?
    You should always let your yes be yes, or your no be no or you will be condemned.
    You see, when a person comes on saying “judge not,” the very thing that they are doing IS judging! If you didn’t believe in judging others, you would have never made judgemental statements…do you see my point of view?
    If you truly believe in not judging others, then lead by example. :)

    Love
    Eden

  18. Charles said

    Estelle

    I sense that there may be a cultural difference, maybe even a language barrier; if so, I will try harder to understand you better because you’ve said quite a few things that have me scratching more than my head.

    On the one hand, you chide commenters for judging others, which I can assure you that is not true. Then you use so many “us’es” and “we’s” I stop counting them because they made your entire thesis nonsense. Then, you close by saying how much you love us all and not only us but everybody. Sweetheart if you love ME much more, I think I’m going to develop a complex. Then, how would you like that on your conscienious?

    You sound like a new christian, and if so, I admire your zeal for the Lord. If you’re not new to the faith, then, wow, have you got lots to learn of His will and His way.

    In Christ,

    Charles

  19. LookingAhead said

    Has anyone here really studied the facts on Marijuana? I understand that it is illegal. I am not a marijuana user nor do i use any other substance. However, there has never been a Marijuana related death. How many alcohol related deaths are there? And it is a 100% fact that Marijuana is healthier than alcohol all around. Everyone please do some research. Our government is not always right. We need to think for our selves here and there and go out there, read and seek our own knowledge. Because everything they taught us in school is extremley opinionized in more cases than one. I would like everyone to seek facts.

    Also. Recent studies indicate that Marijuana does not cause brain disfunction, other than those that are succeptable
    to it in the first place. Same deal with alcohol isnt it?. People get drunk and beat their wives and kids. Ive never heard of this happening with someone who smokes some marijuana.

    I have spoken to many doctors in the field. Marijuana will be legalized or medically legal throughout all of US within the next 20 years. Its going to happen.
    God bless.

    P.S.check these out

    http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html – a very good read. I dont think that jesus would have been too happy with what made Marijuana illegal in the first place

    http://extrajesus.com/2006/03/16/did-jesus-use-marijuana/ (im not saying he did or he didnt, but who are either of us to argue?)

    http://www.norml.org – good info on medical marijuana

    I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO READ

    THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS

  20. Dave said

    I have recently decided to devote my life to Christ. I have not read the whole Bible, but am in the process. I also recently quit smoking pot. I constantly ask myself, and recently find myself looking in the Bible for justification to smoke pot. I feel like I sometimes need to get away from reality and in doing so maybe I can get closer to God.
    If I practice my Christianity when smoking pot is it ok? Since I am questioning it would it be ok to give it a try until I find myself thinking unpure things? Is satan decieving me and that is why I am trying to make it just? What if me smoking pot can also aid in me “fishing for men”?
    What did Jesus mean when he said “Nothing outside man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean’”?
    Does the bible say anywhere that it is against God’s will to alter the mind?, and are there exceptions?

  21. LookingAhead said

    I dont think pot really removes you from reality or alters your mind.. maybe some harder drugs such as cocaine, crack, and heroin, but not pot

  22. Dave said

    how can you say it does not alter your mind?

  23. Moses said

    Although many people could go on for hours on the discussion of this one subject i believe that marijuana in itself is not sin, when used for its intended purpose. It is the intended (perverted) purpose of use for which we use it for that becomes the sin. Are we using marijuana to: get high (just for fun, which will sooner or later lead to sin) to commit an assult, injury (even fatal harm to someone who has done us wrong in the past), to commit adultery/fornication (even rape), to commit robbery from a store, bank, family, loved ones, even friends, (these are just a few examples) or……. are we using marijuana in moderate amounts for its healing properties which may be prescribed by a licensed doctor, to treat and or cure a certain health disorder, or maybe its a family ingredient(flavoring)in a particular dish such as (sage) in dressing for that great thanksgiving dinner. With just this little bit said i must say “In all of your getting, get understanding” Proverbs 4:7(NKJV)

  24. Frank said

    How did so much about food get into a discussion about marijuana? Silly me, after lighting my little bowl over 78,000 times in my life, I know the relationship! Yes, that is seventy-eight thousand times. Ok, regarding food, check the dietary laws in the Bible. Don’t forget to read things in context!! Peter’s dream about the sheet had nothing to do with food, it was referring to giving the Gospel to the unclean people, the Gentiles. As for marijuana, consider this: Drunkennes is certainly spoken ill of in the Bible, but the sin of sorcery demands death; alcohol and many other drugs, particularly “depressants” in excess quantities, are drunkennes; halucinogenic drugs, however are considered sorcery because they create “visions”; we all know that marijuana is an halucigen. I will not go in to the havoc marijuana created in my life, but my testimony is this: less than thirty days after my recieving Christ as my Savior, God healed me of my addiction to marijuana, and gave me a sound mind, which I used to pray about this, and He put upon my heart the desire to tell others what a deceptively bad thing marijuana smoking is! As for marijuana’s intended use…Yes, George Washington grew acres of it–so he could make rope!

  25. Charles D. said

    Yeah! I know some people who would like to rope about a bale of it. I also think it is a great leap making the connection between sorcery because it create (practices) “visions”; and marijuana as a hallucigen. Thats an overly simplification of comparisons. Think about it. I do know and believe what you’ve said about being healed after giving your life to Christ.

    Charles

  26. Job said

    Charles D.

    “I also think it is a great leap making the connection between sorcery because it create (practices) “visions”; and marijuana as a hallucigen.”

    I cannot understand why two people that agree on 98% of things like you and I wind up disagreeing so often. In any event, I agree with Frank to a certain extent. Native Americans and other animist religions do integrate cocaine (coca), heroin, marijuana, peyote, etc. into their religious rituals. I guess you can say that western drug users have a mostly “secular” interest in the drug, but a lot of folks into the occult and satanism also use hallucinogenic drugs in their rituals. New Agers, stoners, and other sorts claim that marijuana and other drugs enhances their meditation experiences. It probably is not an oversimplification to say that using these hallucinogens without knowing that the original people that actually discovered the intoxicating qualities of these drugs used them for is roughly the same of just playing around with a ouija board, crystal ball, tarot cards, etc. for fun.

  27. Charles D. said

    Hey Dude

    Don’t hear from you much anymore.

    The best thing about Franks comment (to me) was the recognition that meeting Christ will help even the most die-hard smoker/snorter loose the desire to engage in recreational uses, or, full scale pharmaceutical explorational useages in record time. I was 29 before I even knew what “reefer” was, so I guess you could call me a late bloomer. However, I was driving adjacent to Mississippi State when I discovered that the Fed Govt had the most elaborate garden of high grade “pot” I had ever seen or have seen since. I have seen plant more than 25 feet in the Mat-Su Valley in Alaska where during soltice the sun shines more than 22 hours a day; also where pot is not nearly as criminalized as here in the lower 48s. To me it was never a temptation as I have had many friends bite the big one for attempting to ship it out or import it into the state.

    I cannot imagine using the stuff to either enhance or alter religious experience; to me, that would be tentamount to saying Jesus is not enough. BTW I am allergic to cocaine, so I guess if I were predeposed, that fact has saved me a fortune.

    Job, honestly, my feelings are I believe that I could smoke the stuff and it would not have the same “guilties” that I often here from frquent users. I would like your comments on this: I truly believe that all things are legal for and to me, but, as Paul said: all things are not expedient. On one level the non-desire that I experience is kind of like the faith and work conundrum, e.g., a Christian pursue Christ and if he submit, then, he need not worry about works because as he takes on Christ-like characteristics it naturally produce works, thereby achieving both, faith and works.

    To say I have not experimented with pot would be an awful, unnecessary lie. I was at least 30 and had my ground rules which I subscribed to, to the enth degree. I am not sure what I was searching for, or, seeking for that matter. Certainly there was no peer pressure or social position to be achieved because I have not in my entire life belonged to a group or in a social setting where I was a “follower.” As close as I can determine, there was a void of some kind that I sought to fill and it did not work.

    Now, present day and for a great number of years, that former void and any new ones, are fulfilled by Christ and what the Spirit leaves with me and with which They refreshes me on a regular basis. This can manifest itself with such things has not having time, having something to do, attend to something (nonpersonal), or one of the 4 or 5 separate ministries that I am involved with throug, but outside of my church.

    I will not say I will never smoke because I am well aware of the finality of never. The one thing that I do know is that there will be no guilt associated with such a decision because however it is viewed by society, it is not a sin unto death. It is however not without potential consequences and I would be an absolute fool not to factor that into a possible decision.

    Thanks for allowing me to get what my granny would call “mealy-mouth” :)

    Charles

  28. Charles D. said

    From the vast typos and spelling in general, you’ll probably think I’m loaded now :) tomorrow just hapen to be testing day so be assured that I am not loaded.

  29. joshua said

    im not sure whos bible you are reading but it very obvious that your pretending to be some kinda prothetic source! im glad that we agree that marijuana was given to us by God. The fact that you think drying out a plant is a PERVERTED USE OF GODS CREATION is a joke, at least thats how i hope you were trying to make it, because i know for a fact that you have many spices (plants) in your spice rack that are dried out.

    Just to let those out there who want to use Gods tools (plants) he gave us with out breaking the law, becuase were instructed to obey the laws of the land, do some research there literaly hunderads of plants ALL GOD GIVEN that are psychoactive in nature.

    if the prophet of this article wants to chat i invite it! i hope you pray for wisdom the day you contact me.

    Jesus himself drank alchohol, in the bible it says dont be drunk, but drinking is not prohibited as some of you may think that what they were drinking was grape juice, lol

  30. Job said

    joshua:

    If you wish to contact the writer of this article, you may do so at bkeller@liveprayer.com. Yes, marijuana is natural. So is mercury, arsenic, radium, and chlorine. Go ingest mercury, arsenic, radium, or chlorine and see how far it gets you. Jesus Christ drank wine, but His purpose in doing so was not to get drunk. Why? Because Jesus Christ never sinned, and the Bible specifically calls drunkenness a sin because drunkenness alters your judgment and your ability to perceive reality. Unless you are using it for medicinal purposes (which alcohol – specifically the red wine that Jesus Christ drank – has also historically been used for), you cannot honestly claim to be using marijuana for any purpose other than to intoxicate yourself.

    Listen, I do not know your political affiliation or views, but there is nothing that the government would be happier to have than a passive, submissive population strung out on marijuana, prescription (and over the counter) drugs, alcohol, gambling, nicotine, food, television, etc. As a matter of fact, our population is just about there already! That alone should give you something to think about.

  31. Will said

    First off, there have never been any direct physical deaths caused by marijuana use. Smoking is completely natural. What you immerse yourself in while being high is the beautiful gift of free will. If you can’t smoke and be responsible, then maybe you shouldn’t. If you enjoy it and can use it responsibly then I think the fruit of God’s labor is being used to its fullest potential. That’s the problem with societal christians. If it was legal this wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. Drop the politics. Hypothetically if alcohol (which is statistically much more dangerous) was illegal this thread wouldn’t change a bit. Stop reading the constitution and start reading your bible. If you use your bible as insight on what NOT to do, you’ve already defeated its purpose. Christians should be exercising the truth of Jesus, not condemning and judging brothers and sisters. Let people recognize their shortcomings for themself. If a smoker feels his habit does not convict him of Jesus Christ he shouldn’t smoke. Just like anything in life.

  32. Mike said

    The law that the author of this article wishes us to accept and live by is not gods law, it is a man made law and serves nothing but the god of this world, AKA the White Man ruled in turn by the mindset of satan!

    Marijuana is illegal cause it is likely to put you in touch with the divine aspects of life, it is a consciousness expanding drug, George Washington used to smoke pot for stomach problems for goodness sake, it is healing of mind and of body, why would god create something so efficient and helpful to us and not let us use it?

    Why indeed would he create cannabinoid receptors in the human brain if not for a purpose?

    Ask yourself this: are the people who run this world and write the laws godly people>?

    Then who does this un-natural law serve?

  33. Brittan said

    Hello,
    let me first say I believe with all my heart in every word of the bible. I believe it is the only truth and NOTHING could ever make me believe otherwise. My faith in God is very strong and I do have a relationship with the lord. In short, I know what being a christian means, I was raised baptist all my life(not saying that makes you christian). I support both Christ and marijuana. Perhaps it was not intended to smoke… but I believe anyone who smokes it is not sinning in anyway. Marijuana does not “alter” your mind.. it gives you peace of mind… a different view on life. It brings me closer to God and a special… different connection that I could not achieve sober. THC is not toxic to the body. Think about it. THC is stored in the fat cells of your body for up to 30 days… if it were in fact that harmful I would be in serious trouble as I smoke frequently. also weed is natural. it does not contain all the unatural carcinogens cigarettes contain. weed only irritates the lungs WHEN it is being smoked. Just because weed is illegal doesn’t make it wrong. Praying in school out loud is illegal… is that wrong? Today there is a seperation of church and state going on that was not back in the times of the bible. religion strongly influenced law then… not anymore… soon it will be illegal to pray at all… I beleive God gave us marijuana for medicinal and spiritual purposes as well as fun. Most people do not smoke to mask pain, the smoke because its fun, it helps them relax, or medicinal uses. Weed has been given a bad rep for some unkown reason. I am an experienced user and I truly believe it is perfectly fine and even beneficial. I support it 100%. also many people say weed causes people to lose motivation… this has not happened to me… I beleive these people were already like this and that is why they smoke… not that they are like that because they smoke. I’m not trying to anger anyone… just offer a different OPINION. biblically there is nothing against smoking weed… only against anything harmful to the body and alcohol. foods we eat are far more harmful that thc. should we boycott twinkies? Most people who oppose weed have never tried it. the only way I believe you would be sinning to try it is if you have a personal conviction against it. then I beleive it would in fact be a sin. please keep an open mind about this… I HAVE TRIED IT! have you?

  34. I support both Christ and marijuana. Perhaps it was not intended to smoke… but I believe anyone who smokes it is not sinning in anyway. Marijuana does not “alter” your mind.. it gives you peace of mind…

    I thought Christians were to look to Christ for peace of mind?

    2 Corinthians 12:9 (King James Version)

    9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    I’ve seen people on marijuana and it certainly does alter the mind, although the smoker might deny it. I also know people who when in the middle of being drunk claim they are sober.

    It brings me closer to God and a special… different connection that I could not achieve sober.

    Even you admit it alters your mind, or you’d have no need to make use of the term “sober”. It’s not getting you closer to God, but moving you away from Him. You’re doing the weed for YOURSELF.

    Luke 9:24 (King James Version)

    24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

    Please name for us ONE Apostle of the Lord Jesus, in fact I’ll give you the whole recorded history of the church in scripture, please name one follower of the Lord Jesus who used drugs as a means to get closer to God? Dope does not get you closer to God, JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY!

    John 14:6 (King James Version)

    6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    The Lord Jesus does not share His glory with pot.

    Just because weed is illegal doesn’t make it wrong.

    Brittan, in love I tell you that you lie when you claim to trust in the Word of God, or have you not read what is written?

    Romans 13:1-5 (King James Version)

    1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

    3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

    4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

    5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    You know the weed is illegal. You fail to remain subject to government and therefore the ordinances of God when you smoke in defiance of the law.

    Praying in school out loud is illegal… is that wrong?

    What is wrong is for you to attempt to equate prayer with smoking weed. The Bible commands saints to pray, where does it command us to smoke weed?

    biblically there is nothing against smoking weed…

    I’ve just shown you biblically why you should not. You have no more excuse for claiming to follow Jesus and breaking the law by smoking weed. You should pray to the Lord that He help you break your weed addiction.

    I HAVE TRIED IT! have you?

    Via 2nd hand smoke I have and that’s why I can confirm beyond all doubt that I know it alters the mind. It’s illegal and you’ve got no biblical justification to break the law.

    You have no excuse to use something that alters your mental state. That takes you out of communion with God, not towards it, because you’re making weed your Christ, your access to God, that is false doctrine.

    There are proven medical issues with smoking marijuana, that are undeniable:

    Marijuana Linked to Early Gum Disease

    Marijuana Use May Thwart Pregnancy

    Smoking Marijuana May Dim Memory

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Version)

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    Christians are always to remain SOBER.

    1 Thessalonians 5:8 (King James Version)

    8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

    Sober, obedient and not given to lusts.

    1 Peter 1:13-14 (King James Version)

    13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

    14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

    Christians are to be good servants, even of government rule. Never given to lusts, but living soberly in awaiting the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Titus 2:9-15 (King James Version)

    9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;

    10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

    11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

    Please leave that weed alone if you claim the follow Jesus!

  35. Charles D. said

    I don’t find anything Brittan has said that is wrong or sinful. I don’t know that “seeking peace of mind” was stated as such, rather that it was a by-product” of smoking maryjane. Just because I don’t have a certain practice doesn’t mean that I will or even should tell someone else that they have to walk lock-step with me or they’re gooing to hell. There are more examples in the scriptures of legalism than about eating habits, or what a person eat drinks, or feast over.

    I no longer smoke as I once did in college, however, my relationship with God is going to hang in the balance ocer a dubie. Some of my other habits such as tolerance, impulsiveness, (depending on the meal, then, gluttony. My reality is just that MY REALITY! No one elses, nor should they stick their noses in my beeswax.

    I can respect you both, and I do – I know of nothing that should make me feel differently about either of you, though I have more of a history with IC. My thing is I will defend IC’s rights to express his disdain for smokers – and I will defend Brittan’s rights to smoke. Especially, if he don’t hold on to it too long and pass the doggone thing this way.

    Charles

  36. Charles,

    Just because I don’t have a certain practice doesn’t mean that I will or even should tell someone else that they have to walk lock-step with me or they’re gooing to hell.

    Did you read Brittan’s comment in full? Did you notice where they mentioned they feel weed takes them closer to God? Do you not realize they are using weed instead of faith on Christ, study of the scriptures and prayer? They even equate the weed to prayer! These are VERY MUCH things to admonish someone about if they claim the Lord’s name.

    1 Thessalonians 5:14 (King James Version)

    14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

    You say:

    No one elses, nor should they stick their noses in my beeswax.

    First, Brittan volunteered the information, to offer their position and openly spoke of their own actions on a public forum. Even yelling in asking if we’ve tried it, as if to encourage us to check out the weed too. I did not go to Brittan’s house to spy through their window.

    Second, I don’t see in my Bible where brothers watch their brothers continue in sin and say nothing of it, 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15. But with Brittan, as I mentioned there is a very serious issue, because they are treating the weed like God not only approves, but desires they do it as a means to reach Him. That is full out heresy.

    If you notice Charles, before Brittan’s comment, I stirred clear of this thread. But claiming the smoke is a means to God cannot go ignored. It’s heresy and should not be overlooked.

    The weed is not good and certainly not a means to God. Even if someone wants to claim it has medicinal properties, that is not what Brittan does it for and they made that clear. People who don’t have high blood pressure don’t take high blood pressure pills for recreation or to “reach God”, because using a substance you don’t need is damaging to the body. Which would include that thing about a clouded memory.

  37. Charles D. said

    I’m assuming Brittan is not the site we visited with the “biker religion” deal, right?

    Anyway, I’ve been reading the Bible before you were born and I cannot find a single verse that says smoking maryjane is a sin. I find many verses that one could bend to suggest that, or, anything else they want. In those onstances I never correct or admonish because I have to assume that “it’s” omtentional. I only speak for me and mine.

    When I visit you, you can expect a “shotgun” blast of Maui-Wowi” while you’re knodding off wit your mouth open. I can hear your wheels turning now and saying: “And if you do, you’re going to get my shotgun without the benefit of Maui-Wowie. And, I retort: Yeah, right! What I give you is going to be mixed with some Afghan Black Wonder and alls you’re gonna do is eat-up all of the snacks from me and SLEEP! You might think or even want to give me a shotgun, but its Snacks and sleep for you buddy! You’ll be a better person for it and thank me later. Much, much later! Weeeeee Doggies!!!!!!!!

    TeeHeeHee ;)

    The Chazter ;)

  38. Charles D. said

    “Marijuana Linked to Early Gum Disease” Ya see, here is why you need my help; you’re suppose to smoke it – not eat it. Eating will come later, trust me.

    “Marijuana Use May Thwart Pregnancy” Okay, here again, I have to teach you what not to do with your bong.

    “Smoking Marijuana May Dim Memory”
    No more than it is already dimmed. Don’t blame Marijuana for pre-existing conditions, please! You will come around with nothing more than you had before you got high. AND! High you’re gonna get, so make ready for it. You darn buzz-killer! Ya see, this proves my point about you shotgunning me; you’re gonna 4-git or already think you have. I’m going to film you under the influence put it on MyPage and put the link on here.

    I’m hot! Gotta million of um!

  39. Charles D. said

    Hey, IC

    Got any papers? Or, do I need to bring those too?

    Your pal

    Chaz “GottaGitUpBeforeEweGitDown” GreenBud

  40. 0scar said

    Don’t you find it odd that our nation under “god” would make a drug like marijuana illegal and put all that propaganda against it when it has no real studies to back them up, and if they do they are all propogated as well, and yet they allow use to buy cigarettes which are PROVEN to cause cancer and other health problems that can lead to death!!! i find that extremely hilarious and wrong at the same time. Also there is a legal form or marijuana called salvia that is alot more potent but last only about 10-15min. Ah yes then there is alcohol which is the cause of so many deaths from drunk drivers killing other people and themselves, and yet the bibles view on it is about the same as marijuana(i have put wine or whatever for you to fill your bellies something like that) if “god” didnt want someone to abuse something it would not have put a large amount on and with the ability to regrow it, we cant remake freash drinking water, or gas for our cars, or our own enviornment that people are destroying….but i know im gonna get flammed and all that jazz, but everyone here needs to go to a nuetral independent site and get the REAL facts on all drugs, please enlighten yourselfs and dont listen to another person bias opinion, even mine go find out for yourself and learn from a nuetral source

  41. Charles D. – Thank you for helping me make my point, memory loss included :lol: :D

    Seriously though, leave that weed alone folks.

    You who feel I’m wrong, I humbly invite you to read the comment I linked above and refute the scripture I’ve cited and the context for which I’ve cited it. The Word of God is the measure, not whether something can be regrown and as for wine:

    (Emphasis is added to one verse in particular, but please read all of what is below.)
    Ephesians 5:11-21 (King James Version)

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

    12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

    13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

    14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

    15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

    16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

    17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

    18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

    19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

    20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

    Saints are to ALWAYS remain SOBER. If you claim to be a follower of the Lord Jesus, if you believe he is the ONLY way to salvation for ANYONE, if you believe Jesus died for our sins, if you believe He rose from the dead with all power, strive to keep yourself pure and sober. Pray for the Lord’s help.

  42. Charles D. said

    Okay, now you realized that you haven’t touched on a single scripture that speaks to sinfulness of smoking weed. The closest you came is with: “18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;” now, tell me if I’m wrong (I know I’m right, though) but didn’t Paul instruct Timothy to “take a little wine..” Now neither you nor I were there, however, you and not me will try to attach it to the meaning you so choose.

    I love you dearly brother, but, don’t stand between a smoker and his weed, lest I might not be able to save you from the stampede. ALSO! I can help but notice that you haven’t yet tried to talk me out of delivering that “shotgun” that I promised you. Too late, don’t do it now to save face either!

    What you should do is wait until you awaken from that blast of Afghan Black Wonder, then, you can relate first hand and knowst which thou speakth! What I don’t want you to do is go and pimp slap0 some unsuspecting weedhead friend for not telling you how great this stuff before now!!

    Got your work cut out for you my friend. What I want you to do is just rest the day before; get all of your work done first, load up on some nice junk food that’s easy to open, then, set back, relax, knod-off, and take the shotgun without lots of fanfare and once you do that, not only will you be an advocate, but also, you’ll vote for Barack 3 times unless I stop you!

    TeeHee TeeHee ;)

    Chaz G. Greenbud

  43. Charles D.

    Okay, now you realized that you haven’t touched on a single scripture that speaks to sinfulness of smoking weed. The closest you came is with: “18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;” now, tell me if I’m wrong (I know I’m right, though) but didn’t Paul instruct Timothy to “take a little wine..” Now neither you nor I were there, however, you and not me will try to attach it to the meaning you so choose.

    The following affirms beyond all doubt that you should never seek to get “high”.

    Ephesians 5:18 (King James Version)

    18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

    You mentioned Paul’s recommendation to Timothy, which does not conflict with that at all.

    1 Timothy 5:23 (King James Version)

    23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.

    Neither you or I were there, but scripture and historical record affirm why Paul said it and it had nothing to do with having Timothy get a little “tipsy”, which Paul firmly admonished against. Timothy was a man who LIVING GODLY would never touch wine, he stuck to water. However, the water in that area (Ephesus) was not so good. People would get sick from drinking it and Timothy obviously was having real medical issues. For purely medicinal reasons, God had Paul to tell Timothy to drink a LITTLE WINE. This is no way condones anyone getting drunk/high. God had Paul also write the saints at Ephesus in Ephesians 5:18 noted above about the drinking issue.

    Because of their issues with water, drinking wine was common, some were drinking in excess and getting drunk, God had Paul admonish against it. You’ve got NO DEFENSE here Charles. God does not desire we do things that alter our metal state. And I don’t need a blunt in my mouth to know what I know from enough 2nd hand weed smoke, that it has a real impact on your mental state.

    …don’t stand between a smoker and his weed, lest I might not be able to save you from the stampede.

    My speaking on a blog in a comment about this does not in any way put me physically between someone and weed. If what I’ve typed causes anyone to feel angst, it must be conviction, it must be from them reading the Word of God which I noted, it must be God allowing them to see the sin in alerting one’s mental state and it weighing on their conscience.

  44. Charles said

    “You mentioned Paul’s recommendation to Timothy, which does not conflict with that at all.”

    You’re right, it does however, conflict with what you are saying. Anyway, they say the ones that begrudgedly drag their feet (like you do), that they have more of an intensified high than say someone like myself. Yo mouth watering yet, IC?

    Just so long as you don’t start singing after the bong hit Imma gonna give you. Please don’t sing. Man, that would be a real buzz kill. And for goodness sakes don’t start that old “to be, or not to be” thats a buzzkill too.

    Chaz

  45. Devon said

    My Lord My Lord…I cannot believe that such a question even has to be asked???

    Absolutely not…do not touch pot folks….BAD NEWS..Bad for a Christian completely…bad for a secular person…Bad for everyone.

    And on this..I can tell you from personal experience…Over 10 years of drug use in my life….lotsa drugs….and dope can and does harm you..Yes, their are far worse drugs and more fatal, but weed is horrible also…depression, loss of memory, loss of ambition…..

    There is nothing good about grass….or booze…or various chemicals..

  46. Charles D. said

    Okay, first of all you lilcrazy Canadian we are not talking about drugs! We are talking about pot. Secondly, since you’ve done everything from rabbit weed to industrial strength borax, you can’t even assure us that your own brain is still in tact. I was always careful in responding to you because I just knew something just wasn’t right. Now I know what your problem was all the time.

    Now that you’ve admited sucking up everything from srooms to LSD you just don’t want us sane folk to loosen up a lil bit. TOO LATE!!! Now that we’ve been to the dance – how do you expect to keep the boy on the farm? (lil Canadian humor)!

    Your only function has been serving as a needle spomge, and now you say you’re saved, but, the rest of us are condemned to hell? Did God give you some special dispensation whule you were in your drug-crazed fog? You horrible hypocrite!!!!

    You lie so much you have to get your neighbor to call your dog and you expect us to believe you? I see what your problem is – you need to feel wanted; that’s why you have this dye-hard need to feel that you belong. Well welcome to the club Buster. But as for your advice, well you can take it and 3 or 4 ludes and call me in the morning (after your bender).

    Affectionately,

    Charles ;)
    TeeHee TeeHeeHee

  47. So Charles, what about the person who is unmarried and engages in oral sex? The Bible does not say the term “oral sex” anywhere. Bill Clinton said he felt it was not really sex when asked if he had sex with Monica Lewinsky.

    Now many people spoke out and explained it was a form of sex act and most felt it was.

    Now back to that unmarried person engaging in oral sex. Let’s say they claim to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Then they continue having oral sex. They let someone know openly they engage in oral sex after seeing a write-up that admonishes single Christians about engaging in sex and includes oral sex as being sex. The new convert proclaims it’s not “sex”, just having a little fun. They are shown in scripture it’s lust of the flesh and their body is the temple of the Holy Spirit if they are the Lords and they should strive to not engage in continued oral sex acts. They refuse and continue to proclaim it’s not sex as Bill Clinton attempted to claim, when he was clearly in adultery and Bill Clinton claimed to be a Christian.

    Now Charles, if God had Paul to admonish the saints in Corinth in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, that no drunkards or fornicators will inherit the Kingdom of God. And God had Paul admonish saints in Ephesus in Ephesians 4:17-32, that one who claims the Lord while continually sinning at best grieves the Holy Spirit (not a good thing) and might not actually have heard Christ calling them at all, which is the worst case, possibly never saved. And God had Paul admonish the saints in Galatia in Galatians 5:13-26, that the flesh works against the Spirit and fleshly lust and drunkenness are traits of the flesh, forewarned that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God and those who continue in such are not showing they are born of the Spirit, given those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh and if living by the Spirit should strive to walk by Him also. What hope do you think their is for someone who has been shown something is sin, yet continues acting as if it is not and that Christ approves of their actions?

    I don’t say this proclaiming myself as perfect. While in this flesh we all must continue to fight its temptations and I am no exception. I’m continually striving to do right against my own flesh both when awake and even when asleep. However, we never want to make the mistake of seeing something as good when it is evil.

  48. Charles said

    Hey Brother IC:

    What’s so elegant with what you wrote and asked (and your case was elegantly stated), is the fact that you answered each charge with equal brilliance by saying: “I don’t say this proclaiming myself as perfect. While in this flesh we all must continue to fight its temptations and I am no exception. I’m continually striving to do right against my own flesh both when awake and even when asleep. However, we never want to make the mistake of seeing something as good when it is evil.”

    I would only add further that the unmarried person who looked upon another with lusty thoughts and desires are as guilty as the couple engaged in pre-marital sex, or, fornication to be clear. Christ said as much. From my standpoint, the one who warned the young couple about pre-marital sex, then, during the hours of darkness, when he thinks no one sees, and then he goes about “nailing” everything that’s not tied down commits 2 sins minimum. Also, such a one (other than being a hypocrite, is more likely to instantly have the consequences of his sex sin come to the forefront. Be it an unwanted pregnancy, STD, breaking up of a home, alienation of affection, et al.

    My thing about the pot is the same as the young man who voted against Magic Johnson coming to his school to speak about the dangers of STD’s in his case AID. The boy said “Magic has AIDS, get someone that doesn’t have AIDs if he want me to listen to him. Magic is a failure – who I want talking to me is someone whose sucessful.”

    Maybe, Devon et al the anti-pot peeps might reach some young person, or have them take his advice, though I doubt it. They will probably see some of the other stuff he’s written here and flip um the bird. I know I would!

    Anyway Bro., for the 55th time what’s in the snacks? I’ll tell you whats in the bong?//
    Chaz ;)

  49. Devon said

    I gather Charles you can’t seem to give us a straight answer about Obama so you bascially bring that anger back to me vis a vis any post that I make!

    I am not the only one here that is amazed at how you manage to vote for someone like Obama with his radical left wing positions and how you relate to be a discerning Born Again Bible Beleiving Christian??? Where is your discernment on an easy subject like Obama???

    Planned Parenthood loves the guy..he gets the highest rating I believe of all senators…..that issue alone should make any Christian abhor voting for this dangerous man…not to mention his hatred and bitterness to whites, his insane economic polices (spend spend spend) and his ignorance of world affairs (lets bomb nuclear Pakistan…now there is a wonderful idea…not)….

    Anyways….we are all still waiting for some Christian reasoning behind your selection of the most dangerous candidate in U.S. history…

    That being said…I am sure you will ignore our request, I would like to point out that the Lord freed me for the desire of Hard Drugs and booze over 17 years ago…..

    I didn’t want to leave the impression that I was still doing drugs and other rubbish….

    Thanks

  50. Devon said

    An addendum…Charles, I never question anyone’s salvation here save for the reality that I do wonder about how you can be personally a regenerate believer and yet purposely vote for such an evil candidate…it would be one thing if Obama was hiding his agenda and fooling us…but he isn’t…

    I have had not to question anyone else here because no one here is voting for the man…

    I am simply trying to reconcile someone who claims to be a mature or older christian with voting for such an anti christ candidate???

    I have some theories why you are doing so but I would rather you come out clean instead of avoiding the issue….that doesn’t make you look good….

    Take care

  51. John Kaniecki said

    Devon,

    Who are you voting for?

    Love,

    John

  52. Hi John, Devon lives in Canada :lol: :D .

  53. Charles D. said

    But you can help but notice all of the “we” and “us” contained in all of his utterences. Man! I hope I’m not in the area code when someone breaks it to him that he’s an outsider, and all of the sucking up and brown-booting that he always use in his search for “inclusion” haven’t worked.

    Unfortunately, he’s going to “obama” his way straight into the gates of hell. Okay, Devon, I’ll play with ya, I won’t take my ball and go home. Let me have it brotherunload both of your barrels until you elevate from your “wannabe” “me too” solitorium.

    Now for the answer you, no, we have been quirying about: I’m gonna vote for Obama because I’m well over 21, Imma big enuff, bad enuff, Black enuff, to vote for whomever I please and you are not big enuff, bad enuff, or Black enuff to do a damn thing about it. If the only problem you have in this life is who I’m voting for, then, you are a pitiful soul. Who are you voting for in your province? Or do they allow you to vote in Canada yet?

    I tell you what…if you think all of your “?pro-life” floundering about with your accompanying Flounder-like smell is going to cause ANY of my brothers/Sisters on these pages to turn on me, then, your IQ is about 90 points lower than I first gave you credit for having. Suck it up, wipe your nose, and get over it. Bloods thicker than water ya know.

    TeeHeeTee ;)

    Chaz

    You’re funny :)

  54. Brad said

    okay i wanna refer to somehin u said in your answer to the perrsons quesion “is marijuana okay?”

    you said this “God NEVER intended
    you to dry the plant out, go to 7-11 and buy a pack of Zig Zags, crumble the
    dried plant in the rolling paper, roll it up and smoke it. That my friend is
    a perverted use of God’s creation.”

    maan thats the dumbiest thing ive ever heard…. whilst you sit in your house GOD intended you to create ?!?! and sit and answer this question to the computer/internet god intended you to have?!?! ALL @#$!! god didnt intend @#$; he just gave us life… A GIFT… nott a burdon. we owe him nothin but love; vice versa

    plz email

  55. Job said

    Brad:

    On what do you base your belief that God did not give us instructions to follow, and that there would not be consequences for keeping or rejecting those consequences? Incidentally Brad, what happens when you die, and on what do you base this? I should admonish you that in your reply, please refrain from using the profane and aggressive language that you initially exhibited.

  56. Ann said

    Thank you, Job, for your helpful post that was dated December 22,2007. I’m concerned about someone that I love, and was needing input such as yours.

    God Bless You.

  57. Devon said

    John, if I could vote, I would vote for the obviously less evil of the three and that is clearly John McCain…as a Conservative, I would have to plug my nose and do so…

    BUT I beleive the idea of not voting for any of them is wrong…because in doing so, you could end up with the most dangerous pick and that being Obama

    If you think things are bad now, just get a full blown radical liberal in there and you can be sure all hell on earth is going to start breaking out…

    He hates Isreal, He approves of Hamas, He is ignorant on world affairs ie Pakistan, he will increase taxes and the welfare state, He blames everyone else for his problems ie Sharpton type, He is a divider, He sat under a hate preacher for 20 years, He is Pro Homo, and most damning, he has the highest rating from Planned Parenthood of the 3 prominent candidates left….Also, muslims around the world are pulling for him as our radical leftists in America……

    As bad as Hillary is (and she nearly is as bad) that leaves us with McCain….that is it…a centrist at best…but clearly the best of a bad lot….

    What is clear…Obama is the most wicked and evil of a bad lot…that should be absolutely clear and I am appalled at Christians , or allegded Christians, that cannot discern evil so plainly put in front of us???

    Be that as it may,,,it is highly unlikely obama has any kind of hope…he hooped himself with his racist pastor…that simply will not play well in middle america….perhaps in Berkerly and Columbia and other american hating centers but that is all….

    Take Care

  58. Brother T. said

    Sorry, I totally disagree with this post. I have gone into detail about this time and time again. But if youd like to listen to my podcast on it then check out my site.

    1. Drinking is not a sin, being drunk is a sin! Why would Jesus turn water into wine if it were.

    2. Alcohol and Cannabis is two different things one can kill the other has NEVER killed any one.

    3. I believe the Bible and if you lived prior to the 20th century you would have never associated this plant with Sin.

    4. Gen 1:29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
    Why do Christians want to argue with God?
    Now if you say hey that does not mean smoking it- yes I agree it doesnot specifically say that you may smoke it. But eating it causes the same effect as smoking it. Also it does not say any where that you cannot smoke it. What is incense it is Smoke. And the fact is there are tons of reliable studies that say smoking Cannabis is not harmful. But who are we suppose to beleive most of us are not scientist, we are suppose to believe the Bible. Jesus taught in Mat. 15 and Mark 7 it is not what goes into you that defiles but what comes out of you defiles you.

    There are many more Bible verses that I could share to prove my point.

    5. One reason it is illegal is because this plant can be used for so many different ailments it would crush pharmaceuticals companies. Cannabis can help Cancer patients and its oils is a cure for Cancer (google the Rick Simpson story and watch the movie).

    The fact that it is illegal proves prophecy and Paul was correct in 1 Timothy 4:1-6.

    If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

  59. Brother T. said

    http://www.alternativechristianviews.info

  60. TruthSeeker said

    Almost every point you make in this essay is a complete LIE.
    That’s right.
    1. How do you know that God didn’t intend cannabis to be smoked? You say that smoking is a perverted use, but no one has any clue what God’s intentions were with marijuana. It just coincidence that this plant has a substance that perfectly mimics something that already exists in your brain that creates euphoria!?! Sure.
    2. You say that marijuana is worse for your health than tobacco, and can kill you.
    The truth is that no one has ever died, or had any health problem related to the smoking of marijuana in the history of it’s use. (That’s several THOUSAND years without a single health problem.) In fact, it has recently been proven to PREVENT cancer.
    3. Have you ever smoked marijuana? I know you haven’t based on this statement:
    “under the influence of marijuana (you) will make choices that you normally would never make otherwise”
    It sounds like you are referring to being drunk.
    Being high is completely different. It does not effect your personality or decision making.
    4. Marijuana is completely not addictive (you said that legalizing it would create more addicts. The truth is that no one on Earth is physically addicted to marijuana.)

  61. TruthSeeker said

    I wanted to add that I agree with Brittan’s comments. There is nothing evil or sinful about smoking marijuana and it can fit into a Christian lifestyle.
    All things in moderation!

  62. This is an unChristian — Jesuitical –web article that promotes the Vatican’s Pharamacratic Inquisition.

  63. brad said

    You say Marijuana kills, so does bad eating, smoking cigarettes, lack of exercise, alcohol, and a number of other things, are these all against Christianity? Not to mention Marijuana does not kill in the analogy that you wrote, it is nowhere close to shooting yourself, millions use marijuana without ever encountering a medical obstacle, and it is actually less harmful to lungs because of the lesser volume in which it is smoked. Sure if everyone smoked as much marijuana as they did cigarettes, there would be more damage to the lungs, but that just isn’t the reality of 99%+ of marijuana smokers.

    Also you state simply because it is illegal it is against Christianity. Is law in the U.S. governed by man or God? We should follow God’s law before mans law. I have a feeling if God governed our law, the killing of children (abortions) would certainly not be legal. Not to mention the many other flawed laws. And how can anyone with a logical perspective ever think Marijuana should be illegal and alcohol should be legal. Alcohol is far worst then marijuana.

    Also you have stated plain and simple, black and white, that smoking pot is against God, but you also state that nowhere in the bible is Marijuana consumption approved. Isn’t this a bit contradictory? Is it your place to state an absolute truth with no scriptural backing?

    Look I’m not someone who has it all figured out, but I do have a personal relationship with God, and I find it extremely hard that God would look down upon the use of marijuana in moderate dosages and under controlled and safe circumstances. I’m not an advocate for marijuana, or legalizing marijuana, but I’m an advocate for bringing about a new wave of Christianity that is more closely associated with the way in which Jesus himself lived. Do I know for a fact that marijuana would be fine by God? No I don’t, but I do know God gave me wonderful analytical skills, and using his teachings I think we can see that this “drug” isn’t quite as bad as we all thought it was.

    Marijuana is not a way to find happiness, but it is a way to relax, and to even be able to better reflect on God. People need to stop associating things as bad or good based on the connotations man has given them.

    We need to step outside the “Christian Box” and try and follow the teachings and life style of Christ.

  64. Job said

    Brad:

    We need to step outside the “Christian Box” and try and follow the teachings and life style of Christ.

    Please step out of the Christian box and explain to me why you are so adamant, principled, and motivated in your defense of smoking marijuana.

    Marijuana is not a way to find happiness, but it is a way to relax, and to even be able to better reflect on God.

    Where the Bible actually does specifically tell us to drink wine and even where Jesus Christ Himself drank wine, I cannot find any reference the Bible makes referring the use of marijuana or anything similar to enhance one’s Bible study and worship. Do not pretend that there were not similar things available in the near eastern culture that produced the Old Testament or the Greco – Roman culture that produced the New Testament. In that time and region, people had long discovered the intoxicating properties of poppy seeds (opium), hashish, and a variety of other drugs. In Exodus, as a matter of fact, God told Moses to create the holy incense and perfume “after the art of the apothecary.” Do you know what an apothecary is? Well, today apothecaries are called PHARMACISTS. But God told them the ingredients of the perfume and incense – substances that do not cause intoxication or hallucination – and warned them not to change it! And when the sons of Aaron did change it, GOD KILLED THEM! And rest assured, people living in the time and place of the writing of the Bible were using intoxicants and hallucinogens in their pagan worship, just as such things are commonly used in witchcraft and occult worship today.

    So if God intended us to get shot up, smoked up, and strung out so that we could meditate, read our Bibles, worship, etc. there would have been a record of the people of God doing it in the Bible. Since the Bible does not command it and there is no record of the people of God doing it – despite it being readily and freely available to them as well as common practice – and there is no good or compelling reason to engage in it, why bother? Why take the risk? What purpose does it have or need does it fulfill when you are worshiping, glorifying, serving, or learning about God? None. Therefore, there is no justification for it and no reason for it. That is the truth, and whether you wish to accept it or not is up to you.

    • Michael said

      Job,
      God will make all known to us one day. In the meantime christians should enjoy brothership in chirst. Our time on earth is short and temporary; Lets not fight over our worldly idealology.

      Yours in christ,
      Michael

      • Michael said

        Job,
        I found a rather interesting quote that I find very relevant to this discussion.

        “The only thing God will be interested in is do we have a personal
        relationship with Jesus by faith, nothing else.”

        Does that sound familiar? It should, because they are your words. I am quoting you!

        The fact is: there are many marijuana users who have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

        relevant scripture:

        “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; that which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man.” (Mat. 15:11)

        The apostle Paul wrote, I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. … For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.(Paul: Romans 14:14,17)

        “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3)

        Yours in Christ,
        Michael

  65. thruths said

    So what are we doing as a church, the church that tries to segerate stoners. Where is the out reach other than quit and join us?

    Then these guys join the new age or whatever and rebel. Instead of being shown the love of Jesus they are treated to the same Christian indifference ( the very same indifference that would make home bible studies punishable by death. This carried through the reformation). The prospect of a conservative denomination that would try and reach out to pot users (guilt trips don’t work on jaded people) would be amazing. Don’t get me wrong I am not advocating some new age feel goodary here where they smoke pot in worship.

    I have not seen people that get stoned 24/7 and it doesn’t do them any good, just as in proverbs it says woe onto the man who drinks hard drink from when the sun rises to when the sun falls.

    I am a conservative Christian as the bible is the divine word of god.

    Now should we advocate the idea of going to jail to get sodomized.

    Its too bad these laws were made out of economics and racism.

    Here is one interesting point of the bible something that is strange is the word calamus in the bible could be marijuana. Now there is proofs to both sides of the argument such as the word “kann a bos” is the Hebrew word for this. There are proofs to the other side of the aurgument that it is calamus. Calamus is always spoken positive of and is part of the sacred anointing oil. Research this and you will see it pointing to both sides of the issue.

    Now here is something else to put your pipe and smoke for both sides of the issue that neither side talks about. There is Cannabinoil and THC in marjuina. Cannabinoil is also responsible for the order of pot.

    Cannabinoil has a whole lot of medical uses, especially against anxiety. Now Cannabinoil given to a schizophrenic makes them better (same with other mental disorders).

    Now THC on other hand medical use is good for alzhimers and prevention of.
    THC given to Schizophrenics makes them worse, way worse.

    The two mixed together causes a euphoria, and the modern weed has soo much more THC and one can’t take Cannabinoil to offset it. This also protects from the negative side effects of the THC. Who else would of put this in but the creator? Here we try and mess with the creator’s invention.

    So the modern weed is different and more dangerous than 60′s weed or biblical weed. Some reason people kept wanting more THC. Modern methods of farming have ways of producing more THC.

    Now from a comparison I had low THC weed (both organics), and high THC weed. The noraml high THC weed will cause paranoia, not all the time but it will cause it.

    Now that low THC weed (even in anxiety situations) did not cause this. I may of need more to get high but it was more purer and natural and felt more right.

    If it were legal I could get this, but it is not. I have seen some people get more mentally worse thanks to high THC weed (situation and other drugs would contribute, but marijuana being the main one).

    I would be nice to see a legal cabbinoil supplement to protect socoity and the uses from the ill of high thc marijuana.

    Now why is this not ever talked about by both sides of the aurgement, it means both sides are right and wrong.

    Let us all be brothers in Christ for we know the blood of the lamb cleanses. The body of Christ should stand united against a heathen world.

  66. Myself said

    If smoking marijuana is a “perveted” use of gods creation then so is watching television, driving a car, drinking alcohol ( which from experience I know alters your mind far more than weed). Those are all things that God did not create for us all of those things are not grown from the earth and the soil that God created for us. Marijuana is a harmless “herb” not a drug or a sin for that matter.

  67. > I did not know that smoking is a sin?

    and whether Smoking it is legal or not legal basically is not the issue in the sight of God.. buy when you clearly have lost self control, it also alters your judgment and your ability to perceive reality. on top of that you now are a prisoner to a bad habit of smoking , the very clear source of the bad habit is the devil now as well and not God.. and if you cannot see this it is either cause you do not want to or are in false denial… Half of the world knows that smoking cigarettes even is bad for you, it is a vice, and it causes cancer, linked to gum disease, destroys the body and you did not realize it was sinful? either you are lying to me, lying yourself others or you are being deliberate ignorant. Smoking is not without potential real negative consequences and yes anyone would be an absolute fool not to factor that truth now as well . One cannot honestly claim to be using alcohol, smoking or marijuana for any purpose other than to falsely intoxicate oneself, to lose self control. One is not getting you closer to God by being intoxicated , but moving you away from Him. You’re doing the weed for YOURSELF, serving the sinful sinful self, the flesh now in reality. You are to die to self, the flesh and all of it’s lust thereof as a Christian now still too. The ends do not justify now the mans still as well.

    1 Corinthians 10:31 (King James Version) Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/

  68. [...] with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/is-it-ok-for-a-christian-to-smoke-marijuana/   http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/ Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Canada’s [...]

  69. [...]  > I did not know that smoking is a sin?   and whether Smoking it is legal or not legal basically is not the issue in the sight of God.. buy when you clearly have lost self control,  it also alters your judgment and your ability to perceive reality. on top of that you now are a prisoner to a bad habit of smoking , the very clear source of the bad habit is the devil now as well and not God.. and if you cannot see this it is either cause you do not want to or are in false denial… Half of the world knows that smoking cigarettes even is bad for you, it is a vice, and  it causes cancer, linked to gum disease, destroys the body and you did not realize it was sinful? either you are lying to me, lying yourself others or you are being deliberate ignorant. Smoking is not without potential real negative consequences and yes anyone would be an absolute fool not to factor that truth now as well . One cannot honestly claim to be using alcohol, smoking or marijuana for any purpose other than to falsely intoxicate oneself. to lose self control. One is not getting you closer to God by being intoxicated , but moving you away from Him. You’re doing the weed for YOURSELF, serving the sinful sinful self, the flesh now in reality. You are to die to self, the flesh and all of it’s lust thereof  as a Christian now still too. The ends do not justify now the mans still as well.    1 Corinthians  10:31 (King James Version)   Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.   1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Version) 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.   Christians are always to remain SOBER too. 1 Thessalonians 5:8 (King James Version) 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Sober, obedient and not given to lusts of the flesh. 1 Peter 1:13-14 (King James Version)  13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:   Ephesians 5:11-21 (King James Version) 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them  12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/is-it-ok-for-a-christian-to-smoke-marijuana/ [...]

  70. Thomas Kenson said

    I’m not one to argue with much. Were all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions, but my biggest objection when reading this article stems from the whole legal aspect of smoking Marijuana… As Christians we *should* be law abiding citizens…

    Comparing it to alcohol and saying that the big difference is weed is illegal is slightly shallow minded given the context of why weed is illegal in the first place… First state was what, Utah? It’ll probably be the first state to make energy drinks illegal as well (caffeine is a sin to some)… It isn’t illegal by any means in light of politicians using the political stage and lack of scientific evidence to declare it “the drug that makes people crazy”…

    Weed is illegal because it would be too hard to regulate… The state and corporate America would have a hard time earning green on greens when anyone can grow their own. The alcohol industry would definitely take a financial hit if weed was legalized across the board. The only way the state can profit from weed is through the use of fines and legal penalties for possession. In terms of legality its a merely a matter of money in one form or another… If this wasn’t the case tobacco products and alcohol would be illegal as well…

  71. missimo said

    First off let me say that I am a Christian. I have been a follower of Christ for 19 years and I will never lose my faith. However, I strongly disagree with this article. Marijuana’s illegality can not be the bottom line. First and foremost because very few know why it was made illegal. In the late 1920′s early 1930′s, racism over rode rational thought within our society. It was at this time that people saw Mexican immigrants smoking marijuana after working long days in the fields. Greedy businessmen like William Randolph Hearst and Harry J. Anslinger used their power within the news paper to print articles in Scientific America that are perfect examples of what we now call yellow journalism. To put it bluntly, lies. They knew that hemp, which in 1938 was claimed to be a ‘billion dollar crop’ by Popular Mechanics, was a huge threat to their paper and plastic investments. When hemp was made illegal, the American people who were afraid of marijuana had no idea that it came from the same plant they had been growing for centuries. In fact, the first hemp related law was established in the Jamestown Colony of Virginia ordering farmers to grow it.

    As for biblical justification, the only verse I needed to assure myself was 1 Timothy 4:4. ‘Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks. For we know it is made acceptable by the word of God and prayer.’ Food, wine, possessions, any gift from God has the potential to be overused by man. That’s when it becomes an earthly sin. God does not condemn those who eat but those who gorge. God does not frown upon those who drink but those who are drunk. How can marijuana be any different?

    And just for the sake of clarification; health damage from marijuana only meets that of a pack of cigarettes when 15 joints are smoked consecutively. (Marijuana smokers rarely smoke more than 2 bowls a day. Now consider that a joint is roughly 2-3 bowls in one sitting.) There are studies out there that say this, you just have to be willing to read the whole thing. Very few publications will be willing to give you all of the facts.

    Finally I will refer back to 1 Timothy 4:4. It is not out of context. In fact the context states that false profits will say that it is wrong to be married and to eat certain foods. (If you find it too much of a stretch to think of marijuana in the manner of consumption, consider that the now illegal hemp is grown from a seed that is one of the most nutritious food sources on the planet.) In reasonable amounts for the purpose of glorifying God, there is nothing wrong with smoking marijuana. In fact many of my friends, myself included, pray before we smoke. We pray that it will be blessed to the nourishment of our bodies and minds. That we will be able to meditate on Godly thoughts that are normally blocked by the evils of this world. And most strongly, we pray that those who disagree will remain brothers in Christ and not condemn our actions. ‘For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks? For if I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, then why should I be condemned for eating it?’ 1 Corinthians 10:29

    God bless you and may he open your hearts and minds.

  72. Gary Seevers said

    Your admonition to abstain is good.

    But you support it with misinformation. Smoking Cannabis is deleterious to your health, but it is not “toxic” as you have stated. It is physcically IMPOSSIBLE for an adult human to overdose on Cannabis. The same can not even be said of water (H20 toxicity, not drowning).

    Any admonition against drunkenness is made specifically against alcohol in the Biblical text, and even then, not against the use of alcohol itself, but over indulgence.

    It is even possible to consume Cannabis without smoking it. In this scenario, the health risks are equal to that of jogging (slightly accelerated heart rate).

    The Bible tells us literally that all seed bearing plants and herbs are meat to us. How then do you deny a brownie, based on your arguments? It is no threat to the temple. It is no perversion of God’s intent for herbs, to be eaten.

    Ultimately, it is something that comes between you and God. I know this, because I have done it.

    Cannabis is as dangerous as bad television, inordinate affections, gluttony, etc.

    Not the answer you were expecting? Sure it was, you still shouldn’t do it.

    It’s just that all the reasons you have been TOLD not to were wrong.

    Seek the wisdom of God in all things, not the foolishness of man.

  73. missimo said

    “Seek the wisdom of God in all things”… doesn’t that mean that you can glorify God through marijuana? It may seem impossible because the vast majority of pot smokers have less Godly things on their minds. However, that doesn’t mean that smoking is wrong.

    Bad television can be harmful to your mind and soul if you absorb it and reiterate the twisted values portrayed. If you smoke pot and go have sex with some one you barely know, that’s not the pot, that’s your own corrupted mind.

    Choices, choices, choices! Marijuana has been labeled evil because of the people that use it. Much like I said before, anything has the potential to be ungodly depending on how it’s used and who is using it. No one freaks about sex when it is within a marriage with someone you love. No one freaks about alcohol when it is used in reasonable quantities for the purpose of fellowship. No one freaks about anything that is used correctly.

    Bottom line, people need to realize that marijuana can be used correctly. For fellowship, for relaxation, for health, and a flat out good time. Again, don’t twist my words. A good time can be sitting around playing a board game too. Would it be a slight against God if there were a joint being passed around with the dice?

  74. Missmo says:

    Bottom line, people need to realize that marijuana can be used correctly. For fellowship, for relaxation, for health, and a flat out good time.

    Marijuana serves a purpose, but its not designed for humans. Reports show that it is actually good for some animals.
    We are told by the word.

    Romans 13:12-14 – Cast off the works of darkness, walk properly, not in drunkenness. Make no provision to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

    Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 – People who are guilty of drunkenness, will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a church member commits drunkenness and refuses to repent, he should be disciplined so we don’t keep company with him.

    Hence, whether caused by alcohol or by other drugs, intoxication violates God’s word and marijuana cigarettes cause intoxication.

    One of the main reasons why God condemns intoxication is that, as Christians we face many serious temptations. In order to distinguish right from wrong and then have the will power to resist evil, our minds must think clearly and control our bodies. I use to smoke it every weekend. I couldn’t control my thinking and my driving skills fell apart. I had no sex drive and all I wanted was to get high with my partners. The Bible calls for sobriety and self-control.

    Mind-altering drugs weaken the mind’s ability to think clearly, distinguish right from wrong, and exercise will power.

    • Michael said

      Patrick,
      Anything in excess is dangerous. Alcohol is a poison; Cannabis is NOT. Even Christ consumed alcohol. Please stop spreading lies and hypocrisy within the christian community!

      Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3)

      Yours in Christ,
      Michael

  75. >>Mind-altering drugs weaken the mind’s ability to think clearly, distinguish right from wrong, and exercise will power.

    and can also allow a person to be demon possessed so he basically has now permanently lost self control.. sadly people often still do let demons into their own lives.. they need now to repent of their sins, admit them, ask God for their forgiveness, and be delivered from the devil, demons now too..

    • Michael said

      “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man” (Mat. 15:11)

      Read the words long written down!

  76. Devon said

    I can’t even believe we have to ask this question??? NO..a thousand times no….I did drugs for over a decade and I smoked dope and hash consistently day in and day out for many many years and I heavily advise NO ONE to ever go near this stuff…yes..chemicals like LSD, Coke, Opium, Speed etc etc may be more dangerous, but dope is not good either…oy…..

    Interestingly, a major study was done out of England by some of there top Universities about 6 months ago and it was suggested that even potentially one joint can do serious damage…mayby someone can find that on the internet…it was a major study….

    At least with a little bit of alcohol (and I do not recommend that either) one can stay sober minded…one puff of the happy weed and you start to feel the effects fairly quickly…granted, if you have been smoking a long time, it will take more to get stoned…

    But I am advising anyone, especially a Christian, to never go near the stuff…I CAN tell from being on the other side for many many years and of personal experience…its all bad news…

    • Michael said

      Devon,
      I noticed that you failed to cite any real scientific study. I can site several hundred published clinical studies that endorse cannabis.

      Email me and we can set the record straight.

  77. Devon said

    An andendum to my last post…I don’t mean to come down harshly on Christians that are struggling with dope or other drugs..I have been there….just to let you know, there is help there for us…the Savior can work these appetites out of us…..I still struggle with other things from the world….but I hate my sins…and we shouldn’t ever think that doing drugs is part of our Lord’s plan for our lives…He has a better way…

    Blessings!

  78. missimo said

    It’s really easy to ignore the fact that responsibility and will power are a big part of Christian life. In turn, responsibility and will power are the biggest part of consuming marijuana. Due to a conscience adherence to both, my temptation and my sins have made no significant fluctuation in the last three years that I have been consistently smoking it. And I know I am not the only Christian who can honestly make that statement.

    Still, the repetitive theme of this blog seems to be all or none. It doesn’t have to be. You don’t have to be a hard core pot smoker constantly loading bowls to get high. That is the drunk that the bible tells us to stay away from. You can be the person who, after a long day of work, uses marijuana to relax at home for the evening.

    If you can’t drive high, don’t.
    If you can’t work high, don’t.
    If you can’t think godly thoughts high, don’t.

    But if you can’t realize that there are those who can drive, work, and think godly thoughts while regularly smoking marijuana, please stop talking about it and go read some information to get your story straight. I have been smoking for three years, in that amount of time, I have never been arrested, never hurt any body, never hurt myself, never lost one job, I remain close to my friends and family and I am and always will be an outspoken Christian. It is possible to breach the stereotypes.

    Though they do not promote Christian values by any means, the writers of South Park put it best. “Pot makes you ok with being bored.” Though you may be ok with it, it does not literally turn you into some sluggish dead beat. I’ll say it ONE MORE TIME: It can make you lazy and ungodly, that does not mean it will.

    For those of you whom have overcome some sort of struggle with this plant, then congratulations and by all means, continue to follow God’s plan for your life and do what works. But do not presume to have all of the answers and constantly tell others what is right and wrong. Let me to be one of the first to advocate the best learning method of all. Figure it out for yourself! Don’t listen to me if you don’t want to. Don’t listen to any one else’s posts. Read the bible. Go read books. Go look it up on the internet. If you insist on watching tv or listening to your health teacher then certainly do some follow up because you know which side they are going to feed you. Please be ready to defend your thoughts and beliefs because no matter which way you swing, there will be many ready to fight you. Please search diligently and endlessly for answers with God in your heart and logic, ethics, and sympathy in your mind.

    I will not sit here and tell you that I have got it all figured out and therefore know that every human being should be smoking pot. Although I will say with the strongest tone possibly allowed by the typed word, this works for me!

    1 Corinthians 10:29, ‘For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks? For if I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, then why should I be condemned for eating it?’

  79. Don Lucas said

    Slavery, open racism, discrimination, and the lack of the right of women and minorities to vote were once legal in this country; are any of these things supported by the living God? Was the United States government right then? Is Bush the pope of all christians in America? I thought 1)Loving God and 2)Loving your brother were the greatest of any of God’s commandments. Locking up hard working, non-violent, and in many cases good Christian men and women is tearing families apart by sending people to be locked in cages. Yup, I believe this answers the question, WWJD? I would quote SEVERAL lines of scripture to back up my claim, but apparently it is “justification” and “a tool of satan”, so I’ll just better spend my time in praying for you. In biblical times, throughout the middle east cannabis had wide medical, recreational, and industrial uses, and this “scourge” even though widely used was not once specifically mentioned as a sin. The only sin in using pot is loving it more than God. Didn’t Paul say something like it’s not what you put into your mouth but what comes out of it that makes it a sin?
    Yours in Christ,
    Don Lucas
    P.S. The Bible is printed on hemp paper, which is illegal to grow in this country, so is it a sin to read the Word of God?

  80. Educated said

    I just want to say this is something I have struggled with for a long time whether or not God would approve of cannabis use. I have after lots of thought and self-educating myself, have come to peace with my decision. I personally do not believe our creator (who also created cannabis) has a problem with our use of the plant. Before I tell you how I come to peace I just want to clear some things up that, the author of this web page has stated. Yes you can crumble marijuana up and smoke it, but you can also eat it and it has the same effects. Now I am almost certain that the person the wrote the article has eaten plenty of fresh or dried herbs in his dinner. Second marijuana is not the same as Tobbaco that our government says is okay, and I am sure we all know someone who has died from that. Yes, nothing that combust into smoke is good for our lungs, but no chemicals in marijuana are known to be cacogenic. In addition, I bet the author also enjoys his cup of coffee in the morning and most likely throughout the day. Now that could also be considered a bondage to caffeine shame on you for casting that stone. Now also the bible states that it is not what goes into the body that causes a man to be impure but what comes out. Now to explain why I have peace with decision I have found that I cannot make good decisions when I am overly stressed. I used marijuana to alleviate stress, some may call this a crutch I call it a tool. You would be amazed on how your brain can function when its not overly stressed by non important issues in life. Christ said not to worry about tomorrow. Marijuana is not the same as alcohol; alcohol makes me sloppy, stupid, and caused bad decision-making. Marijuana just relaxes me and makes my life a little less stressful, which allows me to focus on the important things in life. Marijuana is not illegal for moral issues. Marijuana is illegal because of many political issues. The pharmaceutical industry would loose a lot of profit if you could grow something in your backyard that could alleviate stress, headaches, arthritis, and many other illnesses. It has also been proven to deplete the buildup of plaque on your brain that causes Alzheimer’s and has been proven to cause the birth of new brain cells(I am not making this up research it). In addition, I bet many of you also go to your local pharmacy and buy herbal supplements, which seems to be the new trend these days. What is the difference in taking marijuana, which is an herb. In addition, our government is trying to do away with these herbal supplements; I guess their bad for us too. You really can’t go by what the government says is right our wrong when you have people giving congressmen lots of money to endorse what’s going to put money in their pockets. But back to the subject whether or not God approves is between God and yourself if you feel in your heart it’s wrong don’t do it but if you choose to do it, treat it like anything else. Don’t pig out on it gluttony is a sin which applies to food alcohol whatever.

  81. Educated said

    Just wanted to make one more statement. I don’t understand where you guys are coming from on that marijuana makes you loose selfcontrol. I have never lost selfcontrol after using maijuana. I have lost control after a night of drinking. Yes if you smoke a lot it can make your eye lids heavy and make you sleepy but thats it. You also might have a hard time deciding whether or not you want to eat a hamburger or a pizza but thats about it. Also if you have anxiety problems you go to a doctor he prescribes a pill thats hard on your stomach and liver. But thats okay b/c our government says its okay even though almost all prescription medecine causes so many bad side effects that it is not even worth taking at all. Side effects of marijuana sleepiness, hungry, and happy not loss of selfcontrol.

    • SpiritualSmoker said

      In response to post #81 by educated. A correction: ” . . . hard time deciding whether or not you want to eat a hamburger or pizza . . . ” Actually, the problem isn’t WHICH one to eat, it usually HOW MANY of each. :)

      All kidding aside though, there were a number of great comments here and some just plain silly ones. However, the synopsis I see is this. Some of you deride the herb because the government says it’s illegal. Well fundamentalists, decide whether you like your government or not and be friggin’ CONSISTENT. You hate the government when it legalizes abortion and wants homosexual couples to enjoy the same marriage rights as straight (I’m straight . . . ), but you’re all happy and behind it when they want to outlaw something that YOUR PREACHER says is wrong.

      How about this . . . follow Christ’s words, not the preacher. Read the beatitudes, read the sermon on the mount. Stop judging your fellow humans who smoke pot for doing what they do, and the rest of US will stop loathing you for being such hypocrits. The poster who was proselytised to for smoking by a FAT person so obviously guilty of the sin of gluttony hit it right on the head.

      So many of you have the T-shirt or bumper sticker (my ex mom-in-law even had the refrigerator magnet) that says, “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven.” Well, stop assuming that pot smokers are going to hell, we’re not all perfect either.

      Oh . . . and by the way. I PROMISE never to show up at your door at 8:00am on a Saturday morning with a bag of weed and rolling papers in my hand to share with you, if YOU promise to stop showing up at my door with your bible. Chances are, I know more about it than you.

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  83. Educator said

    You are a fool and ignorant. Seek truth educate yourself.

    First off. the bible even predicts prohibition. “Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times, some shall speak lies in hypocrisy…commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be recieved with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth”(-Paul 1 Timothy 4:1-3. and since when does a man-made law come in the way of whats right in gods sight. seriously.

    do you know the original reason marijuana became illegal in the US?? One man Harry Anslinger. He drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to make a perfectly harmless plant illegal. Here are his reasons “”…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.” and..
    “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
    “Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing” This outlawing was supported and funded by mostly from big liquor companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the paper industry.

    but that’s beside the point.

    its physically impossible for marijuana to make you overdose and die. and it’s not physically addictive either. i’ll admit you can become psychologically addicted to it but then again, you can become psychologically addicted to anything!! There has been recent study that has shown that THC and other chemicals in marijuana are actually beneficial to your health and actually slows the growth of cancer and tumor cells. BUT smoking anything is bad no matter what it is. But you can bake marijuana in food, vaporize it, or just plain eat it. If anything destroys lives its alcohol, meth, cocaine, heroin and all those drugs!!!!!!! And God said “Behold, i have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of the earth, To you it will be for meat, and God saw all he made and it was good”-Genesis 1:12.

    Deaths yearly because of Tobacco= 435,000
    Deaths yearly because of Alcohol= 90,000
    Deaths yearly because of Marijuana= 0

    It’s not as bad as the government and ignorant people like you have made it out to be. It’s not what goes into man that makes him bad, but what goes out of him.

    Legalize it.

  84. jc11 said

    on the whole government issue…its also illegal to pray in schools, its illegal to speed, its illegal to drive without a seatbelt. now i dont know about yall, but i do all three of those things all the time. Marijuana is not near as bad for you as everyone thinks…it is prescribed to treat cancer patients, depressed patients, and patients with alzheimers…the only thing that makes it bad for you is smoking it, simply because inhaling ANY type of smoke is not good. standing around a bonfire would therefore also be considered “ruining the temple of the holy spirit” …i agree that treating your body as a temple is about such things like fleeing from sexual immorality, and gluttony. it does not alter your perception like alcohol does, it does not affect your ability to drive a car. i personally am a much better driver while “high” because i simply pay much more attention to what im doing because marijuana makes you paranoid (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing). also, people say “well marijuana kills brain cells!”…that is a true statement, however it is proven that the caffiene from one coke or an energy drink kills more brain cells than about 3 joints.
    i am a christian and a VERY STRONG believer, and have a very strong faith in God. and i used to smoke at least 8 or 9 blunts a day. i had SEVERAL quiet times while i was “high” and i have to say it was the most intense thing ive ever done. i felt so much more “in touch” with God, and i felt more of a personal relationship with him while doing so. and like it says in 1 timothy 4:4… “everything is created by God, and nothing is to be rejected if accepted with thanksgiving”..but the problem is that people abuse it and do not accept it with thanks. therefore, i dont smoke now, and here is why, i do not believe that marijuana is bad in God’s eyes…but the issue is regardless it is still bad to everyone else. the worldy view of marijuana is negative and “bad”. and the entire goal of a christian is to spread the faith and share the good news…our job as a christian is to make fishers of men, it is to make more christians. and sense the worldy view of marijuana is so bad, making other christians while smoking pot is simply impossiple. and i agree it shouldnt be because obviously ppl who are 400 pounds and witnessing to ppl is just hypocritical, but that doesnt matter to ppl because ppl dont see gluttony as a big deal compared to marijuana. and my friends that i smoked with all the time tell me that i should only worry about what my God thinks and only my God should judge me. and that is true, only my God should judge me, but in order to do what my God asks of us (which is to make more christians) i have to worry about how people see me on earth, because “we” christians on earth, may b the only jesus that some people ever see. Jesus shines through us, therefore we have to be careful what we do.

  85. Devon said

    Wow…sounds like there are some people who are making flimsy rationalizations for smoking dope….

    Lame people..really lame….

    Mayby a little porn is ok too huh???

  86. Wow…sounds like there are some people who are making flimsy rationalizations for smoking dope….

    Lame people..really lame…. desperate people wanting to keep their sins..

    Mayby a little porn is ok too huh???

    and there still is no such thing as a little bit pregant too..

    in reality bad Drugs destroy still many lives . overdose, sucides, loss of health.

    Here also is what I know for sure, the older the person is the more extreme, more severe, the more difficult the punishment has to be on them to cause them to personally to change in their own negative ways, for they are too set in them now too.

    Beware though – most bad persons employ false denial techniques that build more walls between them and others.

    Being nice. kind, friendly to a really bad person is still also a complete waste of time, for they will not change their negative behaviors on their own, they see no reasons to do so now still too. Sad but true. We cannot never control a bad person, a drug addict or an alcoholic, but we can learn all about it and learn firstly to control our own behavior, appropriate Responses -including how we should behave in the relationship with the sick and suffering and /or possibly manipulative addict or alcoholic, abuser..

    Can a Person change themselves? Is there hope for anyone? for the clearly drug addict too?

    Now we all seem to meet all type of persons in real life, the control freaks, verbal and human right abusers, Bullies, enslavers, liars, cheaters, imposters, pretenders, con artists too. And we often do wonder why they do not change..

    In fact it is next impossible try to to change others.

    I have also seen many marriage fail cause the wife was naïve to believe she could change her husband instead of accepting him for who, what he was at the time of marriage. After all it is easier to change oneself than others too but wrongfully most people try to change others and not themselves. .

    In reality also now whether you are talking now about a parent, a relative, about spouses, criminals, alcoholics, drug addicts to what ever no one can be helped firstly who refused to admit they need help, and next also refuses thus next any help to change now as well.

    And in truth the only people I have ever seen who manifested any lasting, real changes were these people changed by God, who had next became born again, and to be fully truthful here too next half of them even got worse again next, a dog who returned to their vomit, they denied next the DENIED THE SAME FAITH THEY BELIEVED IN TOO.

    The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous rightfully says that only God can next heal, relieve the sin, the illness of addiction. It requires the addictive person to first confess they have sinned and next ask for God’s forgiveness, help.

    Too many a persons also do falsely deny who they really are, hiding behind prestigious or pretentious facade that they are unknown, cannot be discerned, read, known cause they are too complex.. you can fool some of the people some of the time, most of the people most of the time but not all of the people all of the time..

    The fastest way to change is by praying, even by the prayers of others, reading the Bible as well..

    Jesus himself said a person can be known simply by what they do. good people do good things.. and bad people tend to do bad things.

    (Mat 7:18 KJV) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    (Mat 7:19 KJV) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    (Mat 7:20 KJV) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    (Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    (Mat 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    (Mat 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    (Mat 7:24 KJV) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

    (Mat 7:25 KJV) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

    (Mat 7:26 KJV) And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

    (Mat 7:27 KJV) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

    Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks, persons, civil and public servants, politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

    Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

    Today many Children are also being falsely led to believe that Gambling, Alcohol and Bad drug use is generally safe. The average 18 year old has seen 100,000 television commercials encouraging him or her to drink. That’s why 80% of high school seniors have tried alcohol, 32% have gotten drunk in the last thirty days, 43% smoke marijuana, and about one third are smoking cigarettes. Most addicts die of their addiction and they take their family members down with them. The first step in any help program recovery is to get honest with yourself. Get honest even as to what the other person is really like.. Do not let them take you down the drain with them next too..

    We all must take any personal addiction seriously because 25% of North Americans die as a result of substance abuse. The average alcoholic dies twenty-six years earlier than he or she would otherwise. Drug users, alcoholics, cheaters, abusers, adulterers affect negatively continually too the lives of at least six others

    Establish Boundaries, Set Limits, Set detachement. One example of setting a boundary is telling a close friend, aloved one that you prefer they not be around you if they are smoking, drunk or high. Notice that it is specific deamnd, and you have to sit down and communicate this type of request explicitly with that someone. Setting a boundary like this is difficult because there is this tendency to hurt other’s feelings. But that is part of what is keeping you ineffective- your caring more about this person’s feelings than your own personal well being. Setting boundaries is about putting your own personal well being and even that of others first, and letting that be a guiding example of how to live. You know you are setting effective boundaries when you are taking back control of your own life firstly and starting to regain your own sanity-instead of being all wrapped up in the problems of a struggling smoker, rebel, drug addict or alcoholic.

    “Here are some things that you can do in order to practice detachment with the struggling pervert in your life:
    -Don’t do things that they should be doing themselves.
    -Don’t bend over backwards to rescue them or save them from natural consequences.
    -Don’t cover up for their mistakes or embarrassing situations.
    -Don’t rescue them from crisis or financial situations.
    -Don’t try to fix them.
    -Let go of any guilt you may have about them

    Detachment is not about denying your emotions. If someone close to you dies, for example, you will probably feel sad. You can’t choose this feeling. It simply is. But we do have the power to affect the intensity of this feeling, by focusing on the positive aspects of the situation. We can also change our thinking in an attempt to eradicate irrational beliefs that might be contributing to our emotional turmoil.
    The goal is not to go without emotions, the goal is to achieve some level of emotional stability. We are detaching from the negative, irrational thoughts that stir up our emotions-like the guilt we might have if we think someone’s perversity, addiction is our fault.

    Detachment is difficult and takes practice.”

    Isn’y it great that jesus can help us all to be delivered from any sin

  87. jc11 said

    ha, idk if yall are replying to mine or not, but idk why your getting so offensive lol, im on your side…idk if you read all that i wrote or not, but ya…maybe you should if you didnt lol.
    and obviously most other drugs are very wrong because they are very bad for you and can cause you to do very different things that you wouldnt normally do, noone is arguing that point…the topic is marijuana. now people have obviously given very good points to why it is not that bad…and so did i (now i told u why i dont do it anymore) but some people may not feel that why. and no offense but the scriptures u gave above really have nothing to do with that, the trees that those verses are talking about the people we hang out with, if we are surrounded by bad trees producing bad fruit (bad people doing wrong things) then those trees (people) should be cast into the fire.
    but i wanna know if you truly believe that it is so wrong, then you obviously have never done it, and i wanna know why u think its wrong, and maybe even give us something that people havent defended to be true. and i wanna know, im interested…help me understand your opinion.
    and again like i said, i dont do it anymore, and if you read my post before you will know why; however, their are several people who dont believe in a reason for quitting…help them.

  88. Kevin Wald said

    DEVON i would love u to show me a valid reason as to why marijuana is so bad…u give bible verses,hell i can do that to show u the other side of the fence..

  89. Kevin Wald said

    Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; that which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man.” (Mat. 15:11)

    God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth….to you it will be for meat…. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)

    The Lord said ..Afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches. (Isaiah 18:4-5)

    He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and herb for the seruice of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man and oil to make his face to shineth. (Psalm 104:14-15)

    see i can twist it to prove my point to…..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

  90. (Eccl 12:1 KJV) Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
    2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:
    3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,
    4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of music shall be brought low;
    5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
    6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
    7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
    8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

    (Eccl 12:13 KJV) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

    (Eccl 12:14 KJV) For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

  91. danielle said

    i think ur uniformed on why its illegal (was made illegal in 1930 because it was claimed to make ppl “angry and violent” which is obviously NOT true), health risks (it is NOT more harmful the cigarettes its the only natural medicine with a wide variety of symptom reliefs), and really what the bible says about cannibis or as it is found in the bible (kaneh bosm). Once youve found more information on all of these subjects i think youre opinion would be more neutral then anti marijuana. One thing to think about as far as the Book of Romans and following the law. One day very soon, god, the bible, and the church will become illegal (the bible says so) and during that time are we supposed stop practicing our religion? (obviously not) Also on that note god also said that in the later days of earth that men will make it bad to eat and partake in things that god specifically placed on earth for us to use (according to genisis any seed baring plant is good…like marijuana, or randomly different veggitables which is the most recent here in the us) We are in the end days which i think should be concidered.

  92. Kevin Wald said

    and it says weed is bad where?

  93. jc11 said

    ok…that doesnt help much…that said absolutely nothing basically…i mean about the question anyway

  94. Jonathan De Leon said

    The Bible teaches us that being in a state of inebriation is sinful. When one is on marijuana or “high” that person is in a state of drunkenness. The Bible condemns drunkenness therefore getting high with marijuana (it can also apply to any other mind changing substance) is sinful. Well, one might argue, “But what if you don’t do it to get high?” That is not a completely valid argument. I will bargain that the majority of marijuana users use it to get “high” or “wasted.”

  95. Jonathan De Leon said

    FURTHERMORE, marijuana is outlawed and that basis is not good for someone to use.

    • SpiritualSmoker said

      Seeing my previous post in response to #81. I’ll apply my same admonishment to you, Mr. De Leon. The government has decided that abortion is legal. But they say that marijuana is illegal. I’d like to ask you exactly which one of those two items is responsible for more death and misery in this country.

      The problem with you ‘organized’ denominational and pentecostals Christians is that you’re so hung up on YOURSELVES that you can’t even reach an agreement on what a ‘real’ Christian is. Christ Himself may have quite the surprise for you all, and given the fact that every one of your high-profile leaders (Swaggart, Haggard, Baker, et al) has tumbled from the ways of God and the teachings of Christ, why the HELL would anyone pay any attention to any of you.

      Good people of the world and those who reject Jesus— Please crack a bible (a red-letter edition preferably) and read the words of Christ. I think you’ll find a much kinder, sweeter, and gentler guide than most of these hell-fire hypocrits would have you believe.

  96. Kevin Wald said

    Woe unto them that … follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them! Isaiah 5:10)

    now tell me if im wrong….sounds like it says to get drunk right there.

    and red bull changes ur state of mind,that against gods will to

  97. Kyle said

    EVERYONE,

    Click on this link and read the WHOLE thing.

    http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms079.htm

    Kyle

  98. jc11 said

    ya…pretty much every single medication changes ur state of mind…nyquil, tylenol, ibuprofen, anything pretty much…

    not a very good example jonny
    any more??

  99. Kevin Wald said

    whata shocker,,,no more verses u gonna throw out there? lol

  100. Kevin Wald said

    and johnny boy,,,if it being illegal is the best reason u can come up with,u better stop speeding.and i think jesus did some illegal things in his day right?

  101. J.A. said

    Marijuana is incredibly useful medically. I am 24 and have had bone cancer for a year now, and NOTHING has helped more than marijuana. All of the anti-emetic drugs in the world will not let me feel/eat as well as marijuana. I am not the stereotypical pot-head; I am college-educated, was anti-drug before my illness, and I go to Church when I feel well enough or am not in the hospital. Granted, people should not be abusing their bodies with substances for recreational reasons. However marijuana really does provide relief from problems relating to cancer treatment, and it makes a huge difference in quality of life for us. It is morally wrong that it is not more widely available for medical reasons.

  102. Ben said

    Okay, well…I think its awesome cause your Christian, cause I’m Christian, but you need to get some facts right. First of all, people on pot tend to make better, more legal choices then if they were sober, cause they tend to be paranoid. Second of all, Smoking pot doesn’t kill you. There are more positive things dealing with pot then negative. Thirdly, If drugs are bad for you in general, then we shouldn’t be taking advil either.
    But I do agree with you that its illegal, and we should follow the law, and if it were legal, it wouldn’t be go to do daily cause it would take over your life.

  103. naturalsystah said

    Ben – you said:

    “First of all, people on pot tend to make better, more legal choices then if they were sober, cause they tend to be paranoid. Second of all, Smoking pot doesn’t kill you. There are more positive things dealing with pot then negative.”

    Well I certainly wouldn’t want a pilot to be smoking it! And paranoia is hardly conducive to making logical, reasoned decisions, is it?

    And also regarding:

    “Thirdly, If drugs are bad for you in general, then we shouldn’t be taking advil either.”

    The difference is, weed is mind-altering. Besides, there are many people who try not to use most medicines.

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  105. jc11 said

    weed is not mind altering…uve obviously never done it…it doesnt affect your decision making…alcohol does, but not marijuana. and yes, i would rather have a pilot whos been smoking, because he’s gonna pay alot more attention to whats going on around him.

  106. Devon said

    Jc11, you are either ignorant or a liar….I have personally smoked weed for 11 years straight and thankfully am free of that bondage and YES it is incredibly mind altering….

    It may not be as bad as 12 beers or a 20 shots of Jack Daniel but pot incredibly distorts your mind….

    I wouldn’t want my driver or pilot to be either drunk or doped up…they are both bad…

  107. Kato said

    I can tell the guy that wrote this seems to be very narrow minded with an extra case of tunnel vission. First id like to say you have never smoked it, never tried it. you think it so bad becase it was brain washed into your head that it is so bad. You said it was not intended to be dried out? um in case you didnt know it dries by itself. its like saying tea leafes are not ment to be dried out, its a sin to make tea out of dried tea leafs, its perverted and God only intended tea to be made out of fresh moist tea leafs. Do you research before you say thing you have no idea about. Hmmmm what about brewing and drinking weed? hmmmmmm intresting isnt it. you just pour hot water on it and drink it. is that a sin to? you dont have to roll anything or burn anything. You just habe a perverted mind about whats right and whats not. peace out weirdo.

  108. DavidL said

    I can’t believe all the people that are decieved out here!!!
    Smoking marijuana is a SIN! In fact Smoking is a sin along with his cousin Drinking!
    I have never used marijuana and i have no regrets!

    “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? if any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”

    When is smoking marijuana benficial to your body. Don’t even play me with that glaucoma junk because you can get some eyedrops or laser surgery for that!

    1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from ALL apearance of evil.

    Can you imagine Jesus smoking a blount? I can’t because not only does it look evil but it is EVIL!

    Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you…

    Last I checked marijuana was illegal! Need I say more?

    ~Holiness is RIGHT!~

  109. Jessica said

    clearly, B. Keller has not done his research properly. first of all, marijuana is NOT an addictive substance. this has been scientifically proven many times. and the only reason it isn’t legalized today is because our government can’t tax it. many people, in fact, smoke marijuana before prayer because they feel closer to god. i believe using it in that sense is not a sin. AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN’T DO HALF THE DAMAGE TO YOUR BODY THAT CIGARETTES DO!!!

  110. clearly the drug users and the pot smokers still tell the bigeest lies, they not only can’t stop using it, the can’t stop lying to themselves and to others as well

  111. dave said

    There obviously is no clear cut answer, weather you defend pot, or not, both sides can be defended by scripture. The laws that society give us vary completely from place to place, and are not created with a biblical backbone, at least nowadays. I believe that our founding fathers did try and follow God’s will when this country was created. When in these arguments we bring up pot compared to secular law, or the detailed history of how it became illegal, it is all a waste of time and thought. As Christians we are only accountable to the words of Christ. Our culture and society is so oppressive, especially in the Christian circle. The devil must love this lengthy debate that is who knows…30+ pages long. It appears to me that those who are against smoking are judging, and those who are for it a justifying. The point i want to get across is that the simple truths are all we need and we overshoot what is important way to often. We are supposed to set Christ as the example. So many wonderful and beautiful truths have been mentioned in this debate, about how God loves us, I believe all we need to do is pray, follow the word, and follow our conscience. I am a 19 year old boy/man, who loves to smoke. I didn’t type in google “Is it ok for christians to smoke marijuana?” so i could find this argument, i came searching for some guidance to shape my pre-existing values and beliefs.
    All im looking for is truth from God, not from Men who mix God’s word with their personal feelings and the devils world around them. Feel free to tell me your honest thoughts….thankyou

  112. dave said

    Also looking at the way that christians have been tearing eachother apart in this debate is simply sad, and the walls that people put up is sad too, i didn’t want to reveal my standpoint on smoking in my previous statement because there is so many christians above that will jump right at me with their finger, or dis-regard what i have to say because i smoke. The truth that i have heard in this debate that has brought me comfort is when someone said that it is up to us as individuals. If we feel that smoking gets in the way of us doing the work of Christ then we shouldn’t smoke. I honestly feel like in this point in my life it won’t help me in my relationship with God, thats why i am trying to take it easy on the herb. However, I think that it is a natural plant, and if a man of God can smoke, and seek Christ’s will, than thats wonderful. Please all of you older and wiser Christians who can understand my thoughts…tell me what God has taught you.

    • SpiritualSmoker said

      David, I’m not sure that you’ll even ever see this post. Christ will speak to you. Read HIS words in the new testament. As Christians, we are to mold ourselves and try to be as Christ-like as possible so that others may see His love shine in us. I would personally tell you that you have to let your conscience be your guide.

      If you smoke and feel guilty for doing so, then you should ask where that sense of guilt comes from. Do you tend to act out in ways that would be displeasing to Christ (kill, lie, cheat, steal, promiscuous, etc.)when you smoke? Are you RESPECTFUL of the other laws when you do smoke? If you love Christ, and if you continue to show and act on that love even when you’re smoking then I’m certainly not going to judge you.

      You said you’re 19 years old. You are old enough to make the decision to smoke on your own now. Make sure you follow the simple rules of (1) NEVER provide to or smoke with ANYONE

      • SpiritualSmoker said

        SORRY LAST POST CUT-OFF.

        As I was saying . . . (1) NEVER provide to or smoke with anyone under the age of 18 and (2) know your local laws about and possession quantities and the cutoff limits between misdemeanor and felony weight. Live as safely as you can and remember that whether or not Christ approves, the LAW does not in any state in this country right now.

  113. Kevin said

    if uve never smoked pot than u have no right to say anything,ur ignorance is shown in ur pathetic attempts to prove that its wrong….if u have smoked u will know this..
    A.it is mind altering,so is an adrenaline rush on fair ride,or nyquill(i guess thats against god to huh)
    B.tell me the last time u heard of a “stoned” driver killing somebody?oh wait thats “drunk” people isnt it
    C.I know from personal experience that marijuana is the least harmful substance in society today,,alcohol is ten times worse for ur body,if uve done both u would know that
    D.Actually christians lie just as much as us “stoners” do,one day ul fall off of that pedastal of urs and see that
    E.u can look up all the bible verses in the world against weed,ill show u versus that endorse marijuana,face it,the bible is a book written by wealthy clergy men who were power hungry,ever wondered why the bible contradicts itself so much?probably not because yall only look at it from one side of the picture

  114. cheezus said

    smoke pot.

    civil disobedience is what christ teaches. like when he kicked the money changers ass.

    also john the baptist baptized jesus with oils made from soaking cannabis buds in olive oil. then once the oil soaked into the skin he would dunk jesus into the water to wash off the oil.

    EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU THAT HAS BEEN BAPTIZED HAS TAKEN PART IN RECREATING THE ACT OF USING MARIJUANA TO GET CLOSER TO GOD.

    weed is like god vitimans for your brain. deal with it.

  115. angie said

    I pray to not be put in a bad position such as cancer or MS, but if someone or even a doctor offered marijuana to me as a cure, I would try it as an alternative. Many of the conventional medicines out there as I’ve learned, including radiation and chemotherapy has made the patient more sicker than they already are. Some develop heart disease and other illnesses as side effects. They are killing normal cells as well as the abnormal cells, leaving no balance. That’s why the chances of death is high. However, if conventional medicine is doing something for some, I’d say it is the grace of God.

  116. Devon said

    Cheez, you are living proof of why people shouldn’t smoke dope!!

  117. Kevin Wald said

    then why do u smoke weed?

  118. Chris Chambers said

    Whoever wrote the article is grossly misinformed and uses personal opinion over scientific fact. Marijuana is not more harmful than cigarettes. This “fact” was born in the late 1970′s and was solely based on the tar content of marijuana. Marijuana smokers don’t smoke nearly as much content as cigarette smokers do because of the psychoactive effects. Marijuana itself has been attributed to no deaths from its use alone. Cigarettes smoking causes 400,000 deaths per year. How is it again marijuana is more harmful?? Get your facts right before you chide people and try to sway them on a subject you know nothing about. That’s the problem with Christianity, you throw out narrow minded, fictitious, and deleterious rhetoric just to further your cause. Christianity is akin to fascism in that respect.

  119. Tahli said

    If cannabis were legal would it then be considered on par with alcohol, with the same biblical use restrictions and admonishments?

    I am a Native American Christian. My faith is an everyday, breathe it in and out, wrapped around every aspect of my life kind of thing. I am a mother of 4, an active member of the PTSA, a woman achieving her Bachlerors in Information Technology (majoring in programming with a 4 point G.P.A), a veteran of the Marine Corps, and I enjoy a bong hit now and again in the evening as my husband enjoys a beer. I choose to not drink as alcoholism runs strong in my line,think “fire water bad!!”. I am not abusing a plant God created. I do not believe that at all. I do not partake where or when it would cause others to stumble, no more than I would sit and drink around an alcoholic if I drank. If I were souping constantly, letting my multiple responsibilities slide, or neglecting my family or home I could see this as a problem…most rational people would with any substance.

    In the evening, after the kids are in bed I enjoy ingesting a small amount of marijuana before sittng on my back porch in the dark listening to God’s creation quiet around me. I am calmed, somewhat refreshed and relieved of my burdens of the day, and able to reflect on scripture. There have been times when God has brought specific scripture and even epiphanies to mind when I am on the porch with him. I am sure that for some, when abused, this substance can open doors to obsessive/addictive behavior, psychosis, apathy, and (tongue in cheek) obesity. The key phrase is, “when abused”. All things in moderation and at appropriate times my friends.

  120. Cainan said

    The primary subject is whether God allows Marijuana or not. When you smoke marijuana to relax, you are using a easy way to get over relief. That is not a good practice, but i think it’s better than what we’re humans use instead. Both sides have good support, but some are getting out of hand. We must realize that out of each mouth that no one is perfect, but that doesn’t make them wrong. Marijuana should be looked down apon, but is a better resort that what is legally offered.

  121. G. said

    Hey all,

    I’ve been reading with great interest the defense and arguments for-and-against the use of cannabis in regards to following Christ. Having used marijuana regularly and researched its usage extensively as part of my biology and psychophamarcology studies, I can offer several words of guidance to add to this ongoing discussion.
    Many of the comments claim that cannabis is less harmless than cigarettes, alcohol, and even aspirin. This is completely true (but only when cannabis is ingested in a completely unadulterated form) and unless someone is growing their own plant and taking the effects from vaporization or ingestion, smoking in itself, is detrimental because your body reacts negatively to smoke and your lungs will attempt and struggle to clean themselves of ANY intrusions (this is why most people cough when they smoke, your body is REJECTING the smoke because it’s harmful)
    Secondly, although statistics show that no individual has ever died of marijuana usage or overdosed, it can’t be discarded that the staggering number of tobacco deaths can be attributed to the inhalation of any smoke (which in greater quantities will lead to any number of respiratory disorders) which is to say, since the statistics are only measuring the occurrence of a death by lung cancer or bronchitis or any other illness, there is no focus on what actually caused the disease (autopsies would not check whether the person had a history of smoking tobacco or cannabis or crack cocaine, all that would be observed is damage to the lungs or the afflicted organ) and I mention homegrown cannabis as being safer (or the “medicinal” herbs offered in California dispensaries) because street cannabis often has other chemicals added to increase potency, add weight during distribution for more funds, or sprayed with banned pesticides and substances during the growing process. The people that are selling marijuana illegally are doing so strictly to make a profit, and if a chemical can increase production or scam the distribution, then by any means it will be used for these purposes. Remember, the drug supply often comes from criminal who are selling marijuana to supply other endeavors (a secondary detrimental and social effect of street drugs)

    Lastly, even if you are growing your own plant and taking every precaution to vaporize or ingest the substance, the truth is that you are misusing a natural herb to get high (poison ivy is also natural and grows in the wild, but only a fool would think about rubbing it on themselves) and one cannot worship or be close to God when their mind is constantly intoxicated. Just as the Scriptures frown upon the drunkard, when you are “high”, your mind is not clear and how can someone be true to God when their mind is altered? (no matter the degree of intoxication)
    It’s also true that there is medicinal marijuana to alleviate cancer patients with pain and aid in other illnesses; although, other herbs and medicines can also have the same effect. Marijuana will not cure cancer however, so it is really just a relief for the secondary effects of the illness and chemotherapy. And most of the people who smoke marijuana are ridden in bed ailing from radiation and a malignant disease, they are doing it for recreation.

    If you are a Christian and are having troubles with cannabis, ask yourself why you smoke to get this “high” when you know you can achieve a much greater and more permanent state of elation through worship or strengthening your faith. It wasn’t an addiction to cannabis that brought me closer to God, but the series of difficulties I had to face when the “high” was over and I realized I was just escaping from my problems instead of turning to God for help.
    So do this for your faith. It is not about legal issues, because Lord knows that the law can be misused to unfairly persecute, but open those glossy eyes to the truth and to the persistent happiness you can embrace.

  122. G. said

    Correction:
    “And most of the people who smoke marijuana are NOT ridden in bed ailing from radiation and a malignant disease, they are doing it for recreation”

  123. Jess Funari said

    if any of you know your history, the only reason that weed is illegal is for the simple fact if they make one legal they have to make them all legal..The reason drinking isn’t illegal is because we tried that once before and the country went psycho.

    I believe in the bible, but i also know that the bible isn’t 100% accurate anymore. To many miss translations, and alot of it is missing. Due to the fact of the Council of Nicea. Is Cannabis wrong? Thats a rather hard question because we don’t exactly know what its purpose was for other then to be used in making anointing oil. Obviously there is something special about it. I think the sin comes in to play, not so much with the actual smoking but how you place it in your life. Most of the time the drug becomes an idol,(a god) to someone. Just like some people have tv as an idol, or radio as an idol..I mean anything that is placed higher then God himself is sin.

  124. DavidL said

    AHA!!! We have an expert in our midst!
    G knows the truth!!! He SMOKED (glad thats past tense) marijuana and knows its effects on the body. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, smoking anything is wrong…that includes marijuana.

  125. Kevin Wald said

    who says its wrong?

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  128. Why are alcoholics always in denial? and why do they often lie, cheat, steal also now? Because if they do admit the truth they are alcoholics, sinners too they do have now to repent of the sin of disobeying God’s word about being drunk too.. so they take the ostrich denial approach instead too often. Alcoholism still is a sin of a deliberate, personal choice, and to be set free you have to admit your sin, confess it, renounce it, ask God for forgiveness through Jesus Christ as well.. It is not only wrong for the average person it is also especially wrong for leaders in the government, politicians.

    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/alcoholism-the-unacceptable-sin/ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/wells-still-without-water/ abstain from sins, to have now the maturity, self control and if they let Jesus do that he will help them to do that by the Holy spirit.. otherwise if Jesus now cannot help them, cause they will not let him, they are backslidden sinners going to hell. It is as simple as that. No one made Obama drink Alcohol. I did not as well.

    and what about Christ – he didn’t sin. yet he consumed wine? How little you know about the Bible even.. the Greek words for the wine he consumed was grape juice, no fermented wine, juice.. are you an alcoholic and is this why you want to cling to drinking wine now too? Priest and leaders by the same Bible were not allowed to drink wine, so Christ could not have drunk wine. Study the Bible stop listening to men’s lies.

    ” Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise” Proverbs 20:1;

    “Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder” Proverbs 23:29-32; “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean” Isaiah 28:7-8.

    (1 Cor 14:38 KJV) But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

  129. Adam said

    Interesting, I always thought that God gave us every plant on the face of the Earth to use in thanks. Why? Because that’s what He said. Take Genesis as an example.

    Genesis 1:12 And the Earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Genesis 1:29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the Earth, and every tree, which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”

    Cannabis is OBVIOUSLY an herb bearing seed. In this context it is referred to as MEAT. Where else do we see MEAT referred to in the Bible? One such place is in Timothy, as seen below.

    1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from MEATS, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, an nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

    It says here that the men corrupted by the doctrines of devils will command his brothers to abstain from MEATS (see herb bearing seed, fruit bearing seed). This includes Cannabis. I’d like to hear back from anyone on this subject.

    For thousands of years, humans have freely used Cannabis as a gift from God, Yahweh the Divine Creator. Now, just as was written, “devils” (unholy men who “depart from the faith”) have created “doctrines” (laws) to “command” (force) everyone to “abstain” (not use) from Cannabis. This is commonly known as PROHIBITION. Agents of devils are commanding us to “abstain” from “MEATS” (plants God created, herb bearing seeds as stated in Genesis 1:29).

    I’d love to hear from anyone regarding this. My e-mail is xcease_firex@hotmail.com

    Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein, for the time is at hand

  130. Kevin Wald said

    u wont adam… because they have nothing to back their arguments up with,,they use the same ones that get put down every time.its ok though,their trying their hardest,ill give em that

  131. James said

    Do we now eat hemlock and poison ivy?
    Here is something we stopped hearing about in the news. “Young man killed in a drug related homicide.” Or another “young man sent to the county for year on a drug count.” This isn’t news anymore.
    Drugs bring crime to the neighborhood. Those who are addicted to drugs will do whatever for their next high. Marijuana stunts short term memory. Whoever is on this stuff will have a harder time keeping a job unless they are a drug dealer. If you forget where you put your money or your dope then the people you owe might sneak up on you.

  132. Brian Robertson said

    What about tea leaves? Is drinking tea a perversion of God because you have to dry the leaves in order to make tea?

    That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

  133. Kevin Wald said

    marijuana doesnt cause crime,,,people cause crimes.u could say the same thing as alcohol.plus marijuana is not a physical addicting substance.do ur research

  134. steven said

    i went to lax airport to meet new person deaf indian female in 2004 looking forward for long term well she died 11 22 07 dawn of about 7 am died from oxycodine 20 mg she take two at nine pm next 4 hours she took another 40 more mg that meaication is 80 mg in 4 hours so she dead because of oxycontin her experincre maybe 2 to 3 months so she just begging take oxycondin
    me fiance of her i experince everything i can handle mistake horror i do experince heroin one time i can barely control ,i breath hard so now i not use these anymore just abuse pills thats all i take 9 pm 40 0cytehdone she take 40 9 pm then 2 more at 1 am died next day on thanksgiving i try wake her but its fail not a suicade it is 100 percent accident she dont know hpw much tolaerate inside her

  135. Kevin Wald said

    this is proof pills are worse for u then bud

  136. Jerry said

    I stumbled across this site by complete accident and decided to give it a look. This way of thinking is so close minded, and hypocritical. Not saying all christians drink alcohol or wine, but you take a grape, or hops, squish them into a liquid form then let it ferment. Terrible arguement on why marijuana is “bad”. And how you said it destroys lives, so does christianity and all other religions. So please check your fundamental ways of thinking and teaching, and use those thoughts logically.

  137. Jerry said

    and this is a reply to james, this was an article on marijuana. Please introduce me to some pot heads that will do crimes to get their next puff on a joint. Because I am one, and I’ve never went out to commit a crime to get my next “fix”. And I have never misplaced my money. The US Govt. sure as hell loses alot per year with you fundamentals throwing another monkey wrench into every plan that will make the human race move on. If you want true criminals, please look at the pharmacutical companies. They are the guys you want. What a sad sad article, I hope you guys start thinking of new ways to make people think they are going to go to hell. Because last time I checked, I already live there.

  138. Talia said

    To James,

    Thank you for correcting my misunderstandings. So…I cannot be a Christina, college educated Software Developer because I enjoy herb. I will no go forth and act insane, stealing the staplers off my coworker’s desks in order to fund my habit.

    Stop…your stereotypes are showing.

    FYI: Herb has saved feelings and lives during episodes of “PMS”

    /Seen light

  139. Eric said

    Bro you are soooo beyond wrong about all of your arguments.

    First of all,

    It is illegeal yes but the verse states to follow the authority of the law unless it contradicts the word of God.

    God said every herb and seed was for man to consume and he said that everything HE created was for man to use.

    for instance.. God did not create wine, beer, liquor or anything along those lines, he didnt create drugs such as lsd, pcp, xtc, etc. but he did create marajuana what can be picked right of the plant and be safely consumed.

    Also if smokeing marjuana is a perverted use of God’s creation. so would be useing trees for paper like weve done since the bible was discovered. thats just one of the many thing that would be a “perverted” use of God’s creation.

    then there was ur argument that it is unhealthy for you. Please dont be this ignorant. Marijuana has never harmed a soul. If you have looked up any legit studies on marijuana and health you would see how it is actually very very unharmful. The rumors about weed being so bad for you were started in 1939 when the government made marijuana illigeal. go look up the video “reefer madness.” its a government made video about how “bad” it is for you. Theres never been a case of lung cancer by any mariujana user that wasnt also a heavy tobacco user.

    ANd then does it alter your state of mind? Have you ever been high??? if not i wouldnt be blirting things out like this. and the reason i assume youve never been high is because you would realize WEED DOESNT ALTER YOUR STATE OF MIND AT ALL!!!! being drunk is altering your state of mind because you loose control of everything. when your high you still think just as logically as you would if you were sober. i have been high plenty of times and i guarentee you i would make the same desisions i made when i was sober.

    get with your facts bro i understand where your coming from but dont be blinded by Americas lies. If marijuana was never made illegeal no one would think twice about it.

    God bless though and think about my comment.

  140. Christopher said

    Ugh.
    I can not say enough,
    how much this topic bothers me.

    I am a practicing Christian.
    I enjoy cannabis.

    I won’t confuse the laws of god,
    with the laws of man,
    and prohibitions based on sin.

    Too many people aren’t willing,
    to go out,
    and learn/educate (not try, mind you)
    themselves on subjects.

    God made everything, from the plants,
    to water, and to the animals.
    God is purity and holiness.
    Let no reflections of him be named unholy.

    It is not unholy to consume what god has made.
    It is unholy to lie, steal, murder, etc.

  141. Christopher said

    Sorry to double-post,
    but this is directed to James (bashing/ganging up: completely unintentional)

    I just wanted to correct you.
    Cannabis does not bring crime to your neighborhoods…
    Crime brings cannabis to your neighborhoods.

    Look at the prohibition.
    We got a HUGE spike in crime and it introduced the first big wave of organized-criminals into power.
    If cannabis were legal (in ‘man’s law’),
    there would be a much lower crime-rate.
    How this isn’t obvious,
    I will never know.

    To be honest,
    our country is run on crime.
    Crime pays for our streets, lights,
    water and everything.
    Without crime, there would be no outrageous amounts of dirty-money to be earned.

    I respect your right to not smoke.
    However, I will stand up and say “I am a child of god. I SMOKE CANNABIS, and I AM A (weekly church-going)CHRISTIAN!”

    PS- I know it’s hard to interpret tone in text, so please know,
    there is absolutely no iota of aggression to my words :)
    Brothers.

    Have an amazing Christmas,
    and god bless :)

  142. You are a Christian who is not practing according to your all you’ve said here. God commands us to protect our eye, ears and nose gate. These are where the enemy enters in to deceive. Also He commands us to shun the very presences of evil.
    Fleshly desires are evil sir. The soulish desire to enjoy the feeling it gives causes an altered state in the believer. I use to do it myself, but now that I am a Christian not just in words only, but in deeds; love and a strong desire to do as the word of God commands, I put these things away to get high on the Holy Ghost.

    THREE CLASSES AMONG BELIEVERS

    Class #1 Unsurrendered.

    These use the word “surrender,” but do not really know it, and act it out in practice. They are Christian in title only.

    Believers in this stage are more reasonable.

    These believers call those in the next class “cranks,” “faddists,” ..extremists,” etc.

    Class #2 Surrendered, Deceived, Possessed.

    These seem more “foolish” than those in Class 1, but in reality are more advanced.

    In order to understand the actions of No. 2, it is needful to read them from their inner standpoint, for to them all that they do seems right.

    These are open to both Divine and Satanic power.

    Class #3 Surrendered but Undeceived, Dispossessed and Victorious.

    The mind is liberated, and all the faculties are operating.

    These are open to light and all that is Divine, but they seek watchfully to protect themselves from all that is Satanic.

    Class No. 1 are “surrendered” in will, but not surrendered in fact, in the sense of being ready to carry out “obedience to the Holy Ghost” at all costs. They consequently know little of conflict, and nothing of the devil, excepting as a tempter or accuser. They do not understand those who speak of the “onslaughts of Satan,” for, they say, they are not “attacked” in this way. But the devil does not always attack when he can. He reserves his attack until it suits him. If the devil does not attack a man, it does not prove that he could not. Another class among believers–Class No. 2–are those who are surrendered in such a measure of abandonment that they are ready to obey the Spirit of God at all costs, with the result that they become open to a passivity which gives ground for the deception and possession of evil spirits.

    These surrendered believers (Class No. 2) fall into passivity after the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, (1) because of their determination to carry out their “surrender” at all costs; (2) their relationship with the spiritual world, which opens to them supernatural communications, which they believe to be all of God; (3) their “surrender” leading them to submit, subdue and make all things subservient to this supernatural plane.

  143. Kevin Wald said

    so ur point is?

  144. derek said

    You should probably do some research sometime before posting something like this. Marijuana is not harmful for your health. You actually can minimize a cancerous tumor by up to 50 percent in your lungs by smoking weed. And i dont know where you get your information but Marijuana is also not worse for you than cigarettes. Cigarettes have been manipulated and have chemicals added, marijuana is natural and unprocessed. So you have no scientific or substantial evidence to back up you up. Also, the fact that it is illegal does not make it necessarily wrong. You try and tell me that if they make the bible illegal to read or you cant worship God, you would stop doing it. Am i wrong? Don’t judge lest you be judged.

  145. Matt said

    I’ll keep it short. All of you need to look at .org websites about weed. They will point you towards actual empirical evidence about Marijuana, not government propoganda. Our federal and state governments keep Mary Jane illegal for several good reasons. Number 1: Keeping it illegal is big buisiness. An incrediblly high percentage of arrests in the U.S. are for weed and weed alone. legalizing it would lay off thousands and thousands of cops, judges, PO’s, correctional officer’s ect…. Number 2: Budweiser, Coors, Miller Brewing Co’s pump billions of dollars of lobbying at our politicians to keep it illegal. If weed was legal, booze sales go down. Hard to argue with 100,000 dollars to finace your re-election if you are a senator, huh? Number 3: to legalize weed would upset the status quo. It’s been shown that change freaks people out. Humans are most comfortable with thier heads in the sand. It’s not an insult, it’s just how we are. Legalize weed, people would get really angry….political unrest it bad for buissines. FACT: Marijuana is not bad for you…..really, seriously not bad for you. Governament says it is to keep status quo. Sorry, but that is TRUTH. Don’t believe me? Check a billions studie made by scientists…many of them christians! Check http://www.marijuanafacts.org. Run by the Drug Policy Allience Network, this site will give you information based on research. Then check a government run site. You will not find any empirical evidence on a government site. You’ll find lies, lies by omission, misquotes, BS, and plenty of propoganda. Weed does not hurt you’re lungs. It’s been proven. It does not make you an addict, lead you to coke, make you crazy or any of that stuff. Don’t take my word for it. Research it! Make up your own mind! I’m not saying go out and smoke weed until you puke every day of your life! You wouldn’t eat french fries and milkshakes every day would you? Everything in moderation! P.S. Yes coke, and heroin are bad for you! The government is not lying about that. Don’t be a junky! Just to be clear…I’ve been christian since is was 5. I don’t want to undermine a minister, I just hate to see them lied to by our government and pass on incorrect info to the flock. sorry for the spelling….”Stay cool!, legalize it fool!”

  146. Isaac Vasquez said

    I am 16 years old and I just want to share how God has put herb (not saying marijuana makes it sound derogatory) in my life. I started smoking herb after i got shot by a drunk person at a party, at this point in my life I had no interest in God. It was the only medicine that completely got rid my pain. I would take pills but there was always a excruciating pain in my shoulder that looked like a twitch. One day i was sitting in bed getting ready to go to sleep right after smoking half a blunt ( weed cigarette, no relation to tobacco ) and i started speaking to myself. I did not recognize the tone or the things I was saying to myself, my conscious was literally speaking to me. I was doing bad in school, somewhat involved in gangs, and regularly attended parties were there was drinking and sex. I realized my life was heading in a wrong direction and now I have a 3.4 GPA and attend church weekly but I still smoke herb. I think I owe this to herb but I’m not sure. I definitely would’ve realized this if I wasn’t “high”. My question is, am i doing something wrong? I really need an answer.

    GOD BLESS FROM SACRAMENTO

  147. SC said

    I’ve been reading about this a lot lately and I am having a trouble deciding what the right answer is. Let me start with some of my background.

    I am a Christian, by that I mean I was born into this world a guilty sinner, my sinful nature is proven by the acts I commit, for this I justly deserve a punishment in hell, yet I believe Jesus Christ the only begotten Son Of God, came to earth was born of the virgin mary, lived a perfect life as wholly God and wholly man, was crucified and died for the propitiation of my sins, and was risen to life for my eternal life and he now reigns with God the Father, and will one day return. (sorry for the short gospel but wanted to dispel fears of me not being a Christian)

    Anyways when I was in highschool I didn’t live my life for Christ, and I partied and did whatever I wanted. I was an angry person, was very depressed, got drunk every weekend, and got high probably a few times a week. I gave my life to Christ right before I went to college in the front seat of my car one night.

    At college I met my future wife, went to a very good Christian ministry, grew in the Lord and came to know God better than before. I put off my old sins, including being a total drunkard, my self-pity, and my addiction to marijuana (which was largely based upon peer pressure and the fear of man and what they thought of me, and not so much from really liking marijuana).

    I’ve been very skeptical of our government, and any extreme love for any political party by any Christians. I didn’t support George W and the way many Christians exalted him I really disagreed with. I found myself questioning many of the political philosophies, including those that allowed us to fight an unjust war. I thought if the people who support the Republican party because they are pro-life (rightly so, abortion is atrocious) go ahead and then blindly support something this is so not pro-life like war, what other areas are they just blindly following the ideology preached by the heads of the GOP.

    This brought me to marijuana, because as I thought back, I didn’t remember it being as bad as the alcohol was, and all the classic examples marijuana legalization activists use started to make sense. I was becoming more libertarian in my thinking, and saw that better aligning with the Christian world view than much of the neo-con one.

    Anyways so my wife and I tried smoking once, about five years after I had quit and her first time ever. I got high, and she did not (probably because she never had done it before), which I am thaknful for. All the old high feelings came back, and at first it was terrible, I was reminded of the old sinful life I use to lead and I felt as if the presence of God was shortly absent from me (luckily as we all know God’s grace covers our sins of yesterday today and tomorrow), and I remembered how horrible my life was before I knew Christ, and how He had saved me from that and here I was putting myself right back into it.

    Anyways I was feeling really baked, and I sat down on the couch, and just kind of bowed my head and prayed to God. Surprisingly I was able to concentrate better than I can normally when I am just normal at home. I started to feel really close to my wife, and it was a really good feeling, I saw how much of a blessing a wife was, and how good of a thing marriage was (to be honest first year of marriage was hard, left too many sins unturned and not dealt with, made marriage hard), and it was a good feeling. There was music on, and I could also feel the music really well, and just wanted to move, and I was coming up with all sorts of ideas as a typical high person would.

    I am a very unfeeling person, by that I don’t show much emotion, but that night I was able to feel everything. I could feel how my wife felt, I could tell how I felt, I could feel the music, I felt a love that made me weep as I reminded of God and His grace to me, and by the end of the night the high had worn off I felt closer to my wife, and closer to God.

    This is where I am now stuck. The night started with, holy crap this is terrible, sinful, and I should never do this again, but ended with very good feelings and me feeling closer to my wife. The next day I was scared because things started to seem so normal again, and I didn’t like the idea that weed gave me the those good feelings, but then I remembered it was God who gave me the good feelings, although I was high.

    Now I know God can take something that is bad and use it for good, so maybe that was what happened that night, I sinfully smoked, but God turned it into something good, but the other explanation could be that marijuana isn’t as bad as people[Christians] make it out to be, and can be used for good in other ways besides medicinal purposes.

    I don’t feel bad if my wife and I have a little wine to loosen us up and then go and make love, what if it is the same with marijuana. So what I am asking is although Romans says we should respect the law therefore smoking is bad in that respect, if it was legal, I also remember Romans says whatever is not from faith is sin. So if once a month, my wife and I made a date together, to smoke and loosen up, prayed and consecrated the time to God, and then were able to open up more so with each other than before and talk about how we feel and other stuff, would smoking marijuana be wrong, I feel the real question is would I be capable of smoking in faith (whereas otherwise it would be wrong). I know if my marriage was in trouble because of my lack of emotion, I would be willing, after praying and asking for God’s blessing, to smoke weed, and use the time to draw closer to my wife and God, but I don’t know if just using it once a month as a thing to do.

  148. Gino said

    Well, I can’t say if marijuana use is a good or bad thing for anyone other than myself. As far as general drug use is concerned, my personal feeling is that marijuana is a very mild drug, if it is even a drug at all. I feel it is much less dangerous than even alcohol. I’ve never seen anyone smoke pot and then want to go out and beat people up. I’ve seen plenty of angry drunks, but not one angry pothead.

    Having said that, I must say that I stopped using marijuana, not because it made me physically violent, but rather because the thoughts that came to my mind while under the influence were right out of a slasher movie and would have made Freddy Krueger puke. This was not voluntary or wanted and I never exposed myself to violent images while using pot. In fact, I loathe horror films, especially the new type of torture porn Hollywood is putting out as entertainment these days. I simple hate that stuff. I don’t know why such gore and horror images would invade my mind after sharing a joint with friends in what others enjoyed as a pleasurable experience. I can only assume that marijuana opened my mind to demonic influences straight from hell. I don’t have graphicly violent thoughts otherwise. I might add that I was never the person at the cause of these images and I was frequently the victim, or otherwise a witness. The idea that came immediately before the thought was…”Imagine what this would feel like.”

    This is my personal experience. I know of no one else who has experienced similar mental images flooding their minds after smoking. Needless to say, I no longer smoke it and have not for many years.

  149. Joe said

    Ok first off. haha wait, you said no just because its illegal. yet the only reason its illegal is for economic reasons. so many companies would go out of business including alcohol.
    ok. second off. you said its a perverted use of Gods creation or whatever. couldn’t you say that about anything? like anything? i’m sure you’ve had your sips of whine over the years we’re both adults here. haha i didn’t even finish reading what you said cuz you have no clue what you’re talking about. peace.

  150. Harvey said

    Its nice to see Christians that aren’t so completely diluted by mans interpretations on right and wrong. How can someone say Marijuana is bad and wrong and a mind polluting drug, and then turn around and believe so deeply in a man-made book about the “son of God” who walked on water and yada yada yada. Seems to be that religion is the most dangerous drug out there. Religion has killed and destroyed more lives than any drug, war, or anything else. More people sin in the name of God than anything else. People need to start living for man and stop destroying eachother. Its sad to see so many brainwashed people. Law, religion.. All created by Man.Just don’t steal and kill, and if you want to devote your life to such silly fairy tales… Keep it to yourself. You’re not saving anyone by pushing your nonsense onto people. Open your mind to the REAL reality and Save what’s left of your life. Smoke a bowl.The reason people fight against drugs is because they make people real. And people living in la-la land can’t handle what’s real. God can only be found in truth. Stop living lies.

  151. Neno said

    You know, I’m a religious man in my mid-20s. I work as an EMT, go to church if I’m not working either of my two jobs, and still live at home with my parents to help ease the burden of life and bills. First off, you should be careful with what you say about Marijuana. Telling people is worse than cigarettes and can KILL YOU is a lie and immoral!

    “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21)

    It’s been said that “sorcery”, which is also translated as “pharmacy” can be considered the use of drugs. In this argument, you can not state that Marijuana is an lone wolf in a crowd. If you believe such sorcery is illicit and unjust by the eyes of God, then you’re out of luck with medications. Tobacco use isn’t mentioned and it’s ironic that I can’t smoke practically anywhere anymore. Perhaps God should do something about that, too?

    Death from Marijuana? Let us see, shall we?

    http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

    Total tally of deaths? 0. Surprise!

    Putting a revolver to your head and pot have a similarity? Geez, back off chief. There’s one thing that has made this entire world a worse place. Propaganda. You get it when opinions go flying out of the window and into the masses. You think God likes that? Do you really believe Jesus Christ wants his followers to be judgmental and naive finger pointers? What about all those good kids out there who now face illicit drug charges for something simply as bad as stealing one of their old man’s beers? Should they have smoked cannabis in a adolescent age? Definitely not! Should they have a felons conviction to deal with? 100% NO!!

    You see, Christ walked amongst many who firmly believed in Marijuana’s healing powers. He didn’t pass judgment on them. Do you know why? Because they never passed judgment on him. They didn’t turn him down because of his difference nor did he to them. Their blood was still that of mankind. They still had a heart and knew how to use it. The difference today is that our society is desperate to use anything and everything to form a pinnacle group that sets the tone for everyone else.

    I don’t smoke Cannabis because it would cost me my career. I have previously in life and don’t regret it. I wasn’t a worse man. I didn’t stop caring about anything I care about today. I didn’t kill anyone, steal from anyone or pass judgment on anyone who didn’t smoke. It never became a gateway drug because I, fortunately, wasn’t afraid to read about other, harder, drugs and learn something about what I’m putting into my body before I did. That’s our problem, ladies and gentlemen. Instead of explaining what something truly does to you, how addictive something really can become, we just babble our mouths about how “evil” it is. How it’s the seed of “Satan”. Really? God grows it and Satan harvests it? What is this?? Capitalism?!

    If you want your kids to know what the right decision is for their own good, do yourself a favor and research the drugs. Learn their psychoactive abilities, their common “desired” effects, how long they last, their addictive characteristics, the toll they place on our otherwise resilient bodies and how fatal some of them can be.

    Marijuana is addictive, but it’s categorized (by scientists, not someone who works for the DEA) as a very mild addictive psychoactive drug. The high lasts about as long as alcohols “buzz” will last, and of course becomes stronger and lasts longer the more of it you smoke at once. It doesn’t have a fatality rate when smoked, although you can potentially overdose on it from digesting large amounts of it. It’s very unlikely that you would die from it even so, as our bodies make us regurgitate it before fatal amounts are digested and consumed into our bloodstream.

    The truth about Cannabis’ gateway potential stems from the sources of purchase. Some who sell the illicit drug are also selling and/or using other drugs. Admittedly, I know this was the case with those I purchased from in my younger years. Cocaine was available as were pharmaceutical pills. I knew that cocaine was a drug that caused hypertensive conditions (high blood pressure) and induced severe altercations to your bodies nerves. The drug causes “numbness” that changes with your emotions. It can cause paranoia and will reduce the desire to sleep. It makes both genders sexually aroused and generally impacts how other drugs effect you. Most often, it’s used when drinking ALCOHOL due to it’s ability to make you “not feel drunk”. Afterword, you come low from the drug and with more uses begin to crave it when you “come down” from it. It’s known to cause nasal tissue damage, severe loss of appetite, potential cardiac issues and, most importantly, is incredibly addictive and expensive. You see? That’s the truth. I didn’t do that because who would want to take that on? Not me.

    Cannabis isn’t Satan’s doing. It’s a drug, but it’s not evil. Abuse is evil. Recreational use isn’t evil if done responsibly. It’s not going to kill you. It’s smoke is more harmful than a cigarette, but that’s because it’s not smoked through a filter. It’s not a gateway drug, the seller is responsible for provoking the use of other drugs he/she is trying to sell.

    Welcome to the real world. God won’t save you from reality if you won’t open your eyes to it.

  152. Conner said

    I personally believe marijuana is not against Christian teachings. “it is not what goes into the mouth that makes a person unclean. It is what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean.”
    -Mathew 15:11
    Studies prove that marijuana is safe and non killer. Ask yourselves how many people die from alcohol? every 8 seconds 1 person dies from alcohol poisoning. You do the math. How may people died from Marijuana? 0. So by the time you finish reading this a legal substance ( which also is made with plants by the way) has killed more people than Marijuana.

  153. Cara said

    Is this guy serious????
    Wow…, the presence of ignorance and misinformation continues to floor me.

    • Mr Polite said

      There is no legitimate argument to support the current marijuana policy. You will continue to be ‘floored’ by people like Job, with their corrupt teachings.

      Peace On Earth!

  154. robert said

    This article is bordering slightly on ridiculousness
    im not going to argue out all the points
    but the point which states god never intended for man to dry marijuana leaves out and crumble it into zig zags and thus that is perverted is like saying
    God never intended man to go dry some spices, crumble them into a pan, add some rice and marinated meat and then eat it.
    Therefore eating prepared and spiced meals is a sin.

  155. Job said

    Robert:

    “Therefore eating prepared and spiced meals is a sin.”

    1. Eating prepared and spiced meals will not harm you. (Quite the contrary, salting food, especially meat, and cooking it greatly decreases the risk of getting worms and diseases.) Marijuana does harm you. Intentionally harming yourself for no purpose other than personal pleasure is sinful. That is the position, and unless you can produce some scripture that states that it is pleasing to God for you to cause harm to yourself for your own personal fun, then it is a Biblical one.

    2. Read God’s instructions to Israel where He commanded Israel to cook the Passover lamb with bitter herbs, and eat it. So, your scenario is explicitly refuted by direct scriptural example, and not only that, but not something obscure but rather something as central and vital as the Passover.

    So, no, destroying your brain cells and memory, making yourself impotent, harming your lungs, altering your judgment and mental state (therefore becoming a danger to yourself and others), and becoming an addict is not the same as adequately cooking food in order to kill trichinosis worms and destroy salmonella, and certainly not the same as Old Testament Jews eating Passover at God’s command or else become a grotesque sinner and thus expelled from the Jewish nation.

    Yours was really, truly a bad argument that reveals someone who has either never so much as read a Bible or had no comprehension of what he read on any level.

    • Michael said

      “Those who love god must also love one another”

      Job, Roberts argument may have been very weak- but your words are harsh and personal.

  156. asdf said

    “So, no, destroying your brain cells and memory, making yourself impotent, harming your lungs, altering your judgment and mental state (therefore becoming a danger to yourself and others), and becoming an addict…”

    Out of curiosity, how do you reconcile this with the fact that Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding? Isn’t wine more harmful than marijuana? Also, isn’t alcohol much more addictive than marijuana? (Rhetorical question. It is. Marijuana is not physiologically addictive.)

    • Job said

      asdf:

      I have personally known too many marijuana addicts to buy the lie that marijuana is not physiologically addictive. Second, the wine used in the day of Jesus Christ and was used for social drinking and other everyday use contained much less alcohol than wine and beer today … it was less potent than wine coolers, and it was extremely difficult to drink so much of it as to get drunk. It was necessary to drink low alcohol wine in that culture because the conditions made fresh water suitable for human consumption rare, and low alcohol wine was more durable. Low alcohol wine was also useful as a medicine and antiseptic. The Bible, incidentally, denounces the drinking of high alcohol wine, which it calls “strong drink.” So, the heavily diluted wine (read the story and see how much water was in the jars) produced by Jesus Christ would be the equivalent of smoking hemp, which contains practically no THC and therefore can’t get you high. You won’t do it, will you? Of course not. Unlike the people of Jesus Christ’s time, who had to drink wine because of the shortage of fresh water, you have no physiological need to smoke, so you are only going to smoke something that contains a drug to get you high.

      Your desire is to abuse your body and mind by getting high. Smoking marijuana with no THC won’t get you high, so you have no reason to do it. That is an illegitimate use of the marijuana plant, which has very legitimate purpose. Even the THC can be used to make medicines for people in severe pain (I am not opposed to marijuana for medicinal purposes). It is far different from drinking diluted wine because the only alternative is stale water.

      Also, why stop with marijuana? If Jesus Christ’s making water into wine justifies the use of that, why not crack cocaine? Why not heroin? Most of the so – called “hard drugs” are 100% natural, come from plants just like marijuana does. That’s why people sometimes fail drug tests because they ate a couple of lemon poppy seed muffins. As a matter of fact, arsenic is natural. So, does Jesus Christ’s turning water into wine make purposefully ingesting arsenic and killing yourself ok? Of course it doesn’t.

      Abusing your body is sinful. Taking legitimate things and using them for illegitimate purposes is sinful. That is not what I say, that is what the Bible says.

      • Ben said

        I hate to contradict the points you make, because they are logically sound, so I won’t call it a “contradiction” and simply a “correction.” Everything regarding pot and Christianity is very true, it is very much against the Christian religion (Gal 5, Rom. 13 just to name a few verses backing this up). Unfortunately, I’ve always found religion a but silly, so we’ll focus on the purely secular things about pot that you need some corrections on.
        Marijuana is addictive purely on the basis that it invokes a pleasurable experience. It’s not a terrible demon drug that will enslave it’s user, and most likely self described “marijuana addicts” have utterly no clue what an addiction truly is. Every single thing in this world can be addictive. You can obviously be addicted to TV, video games, even certain types of food. What makes these mental addictions and not “physiological” addictions is that the addict is not pained physically when he stops using whatever it is he is addicted to. Marijuana falls in this category, and I’m sure you have met plenty of marijuana addicts (I am in fact, one of them, nice to meet you!) That’s what is meant when people say a “physiological” addiction, physical pains at the cession of use, in case that needed some clearing up. Nicotine, diacetylmorphine (street heroin), methamphetamine (including methylphenidate a.k.a. Adderall), alcohol, and both crack and powder cocaine are all physically addictive. When a smoker stops smoking cigarettes he may experience tremors, cramps, and joint pains: these are all physical “cravings” that marijuana does NOT create. All of these drugs create similar symptoms of withdrawal to more or less serious extents.
        Being a safe non-toxic substance, the care of the mind is just as important as the care of the body. What kind of an expert are you to say that the mentally healing effects of marijuana are “illegitimate” uses? How can you possibly know that? With stress being one of the number one killers of Americans, I think that anything standing to lower stress is certainly legitimate in the eyes of whatever compassionate creator decided to put us here. Arsenic doesn’t solve stress related issues, so don’t use that ridiculous argument. And crack cocaine does pretty much everything you keep saying pot does, so the physical health problems and addiction issues would far outweigh any kind of benefit gained from stress relief.
        Just a side note, the reason that poppy seeds set off false positives is because drug tests don’t test for the presence of actual drugs in urine, but rather the remaining metabolites after the consumption of a drug. Aspirin can cause a false positive as well since a metabolite left from eating aspirin is very similar chemically to a metabolite of marijuana. Alka-Seltzer can do the same for meth.

  157. Matt said

    marijuana is not bad. Bill Keller is an immensly uneducated person upon this topic. Marijuana is not worse than ciggerattes. Tobacco companies put addicting chemicals into ciggerattes, mother nature dosent do that to weed. Yes, marijuana is addictice. So is myspace or coffee. if you dont use any drugs or tobacco prducts and smoke marijuana daily starting at the age of 16, you will live to your seventies as long as you live a healthy lifestyle.

    1800′s- alchohol legal

    1900′s- alchohol ilegalized

    later in the 1900′s- alchohol legalized

    no metter what, people will still get ileal substances, but if they are illegal it will be more dangerous to obtain and more costly.

  158. Ben said

    From a Christian perspective, the Bible asks you to kindly obey anything that the government tells you to, as long as it doesn’t directly contrast your Christian beliefs. This alone makes pot not okay for Christians at the current time.
    Now lets take a look at pot from a completely non-biased perspective. There has NEVER been a recorded death from it’s use, despite what the author likes to think. The “poisonous toxic smoke” can kill brain and lung cancer cells, and the only positive correlation i can find with cancer is a rare testicular cancer that is barely of statistic significance. It doesn’t harm your “temple” and it won’t kill you, unless of course you are allergic to it. It isn’t an abuse of your body by any scientific standard, making it okay if it where okay with the government.
    It is addictive. Not in the way alcohol, heroin, or tobacco is, but more the way internet porn or video games are addictive (but video games are in fact, more addictive believe it or not). The experience of smoking pot is a pleasurable one, and of course the user would want to replicate it some time in the future.
    As far as damage to the brain goes, I would love to smoke some pot that you think is capable of damaging my brain, consider it a challenge! I managed to go through a couple years of college, I’m on the road to a doctorate, and as long as I don’t take a test while high I think marijuana can even be considered an aid to educational pursuits. This may sound a bit silly, but in all seriousness the feeling the day after smoking pot is the complete opposite of an alcohol hangover. It’s honestly a great feeling, and it makes you feel a bit more clear-minded than usual, definitely puts you in a better mood.
    I know that the way that marijuana is depicted in the media is very ambivalent, FOX will tell you it’s basically cocaine; CNBC says it’s an economic necessity, etc. etc. I know you will probably never venture out and take the leap of faith required to just try pot once, and as it’s against your religion I don’t encourage you to. What I do hope is that in further letters you can form a more informed opinion on marijuana use in order to better inform your readers/ viewers with more useful information.
    Good luck in all you pursue, all the best.
    -Ben

    • Ashley said

      Personally (like many others) I feel guilty for smoking pot only because I’m told god may not approve of it. Yet I’m confused because it was created with the ability to produce such effects by God obviously for a reason. I am actually able to pay attention more and work harder when I smoke it. I know it has side effects that harm the body yet if that is a sin then so is coffee, all sodas, most sugar packed candy, etc… Because they too have effects on the body that alter it both physically and mentally. If you don’t believe in smoking pot then you can’t turn around and hypocritically consume these types of junk food inluding energy drinks and such. Also burning fossil fuel to run your car pollutes the atmosphere thus killing the environment god gave us to tend to. That too seems sinful then every time you get into your car. You can’t pick and choose what sins are ok with you. The fact is most everything we do today in society is sinful. Women dress provocative causing sinfull passions and that’s considered the fashion. The next time you watch a movie and the actors sin you then are obligated to leave immediately, right? because to some degree (the slightest is all that’s needed) you are approving it with you willing presence to view more of that material. Prozac, benadryl, most all pills cause mind and body altering effects as well. Music too! Do you say “Pot is sinful” then turn around and turn on the non Christian station to listen to tunes? Think fully through the matter of this subject. My question is that… The Bible says god is love and does not want anyone to go to hell yet he knows and is in control of all things in which the bible also says most people will be going to hell. “Many will come, but few will enter”. Honestly that has hampered my walk with Christ more than anything else. It’s hard to logically understand yet completely necessary to accept in order to be saved. Ugh!

      • Michael said

        Ashley,
        It is through faith, and faith alone, that we can enter the kingdom.

        Yours in Christ,
        Michael

  159. Michael said

    The author of this article is a false profit.

    God warned all about false teachers.

    I look to his word. Not yours.

    Yours in christ,
    Michael

  160. Melissa said

    I stopped reading when I read it’s more harmful than cigarettes and can kill you. Really? Learn about something before you falsely preach.

    can I get an Amen?

  161. J Bob Replica said

    You know it most likely is.
    Technically I suppose you could drink alcohol or smoke drugs if your whole family died
    in a tragic event–one time!

    or at least the Bible does seem to allow alcohol drinking in extreme circumstances.
    Being a recovering booze addict, i would just start craving booze and just would recommend
    avoiding this stuff. Besides, I get money for school just to not do it and the people that
    do it are sometimes creepy to know.

    then you might go to jail over it, and people will always think of you as a herb meister.

    and to top that off, everyone in jail smokes it and if you do go to jail, then you’ll always
    have a reason to smoke more of it and then you will be stoned alot and only be able to
    hang out with other stoners, and your life will begin to center on “jam bands” and
    alternative sports like hackey sack and hand held games. Also public streaking might
    come into your head, along with quasi-chemistry based ways to smoke the stuff…making you
    become a pseudo-intellectual youtube video guy or girl (she was stoned)

    Bob (don’t fight it)

  162. celina said

    So everybody who thinks its all right to smoke weed answer this, its all right to smoke weed and blow it in your kids face? if no then why? and if its not ok then why are we doing it. and if you think thats ok then good luck when it comes to you and god.

    • Mr Polite said

      “its all right to smoke weed and blow it in your kids face?”- this is not a question.

      “if no then why?” – of course, it is not ‘ok’ to subject children to smoke-of any kind.

      “and if its not ok then why are we doing it?” – who?

      Can anyone bring a legitimate argument against cannabis? Can anyone logically support the current marijuana policy?

      Id be very happy to see logic become part of this silly debate!

      And- Celina, You mention God. Read 1 Timothy 4:4. Read the whole New Testiment. Focus on Christ’s own words. Educate yourself! This has gone on too long!

      Gods Peace be with you!

  163. ernie said

    alright i know rastafarianism has nothing to do wth christianity(correct me if im wrong) but just listen to the wise words from a wise man,oh and pleas do more research before u post somethng up..u sound very angry and intense toward a plant.

    • Job said

      ernie:

      If rastafarians are so wise, where are they going to spend eternity? Heaven or hell? If the answer is hell, then what profit is their wisdom? What good does wisdom that leads a person to hell ever do anyone either in this life or the next?

      • Mr Polite said

        But he is right in saying that you sound “angry and intense about a plant”.

        “For everything god created is good”.

        Job, Keep reading and never stop!

  164. Alexa said

    Celina, why do you choose to accept that all marijuana smokers do the act in front of their children? Is this you doing it, or your parents? I had no idea my father smoked weed until I was 26. I am pretty sure he just didn’t take up the habit.
    Is it ok? Theologists will bicker on smoke abusing the body (lungs, throat and so forth), but it is a plant. Would you go to hell for smoking thyme or parsley? As far as an adult blowing smoke in a childs face, they obviously didn’t get the manual when they concieved on how to raise an infant. A manual not non to exist. My wise word, as if I have any at all, would be to minister to the person doing this and perhaps the pressure of doing wrong will come to their mind and will stop the foolishness. You can catch more with honey then you can venom.

    • celina said

      Alexa, im not doing it and i do have kids, I’m upset because weed might become legal in cal. and it makes me so angry because i do not want it around my kids and everybody makes such a issue on how its so natural, well then if its so natural then wouldnt it be ok to smoke it around kids (being sarcastic), i dont think its right, and them legalizing it I think it will be much worse, I want my babies to go back to God and I think weed being out in the open will make them not choose the right paths,I dont think people will go to hell for for smoking weed but I dont think it helps make the right decisions. And I yes parsley and thyme are a plant but they dont affect the mind like weed does. its already bad enough alcohol is out and about to help make poor decisions, now Im gonna have to deal with marijuana, my kids are going to think its ok because its legal. Im all for the medical purpose but not for poeple who dont need it.

  165. Alex H said

    depending on how you use it makes it bad.. for everyones information marijuana has been smoked for hundreds of years starting with like the egyptians and it is true so.. ya also God made this plant to help one relax and be calm and the only way to use the plant is to consume it in a way so yo can smoke it, eat it, and drink it(tea), but the main point is to relief one of pain inside and out. Marijuana is only harmful to the people who abuse it and use it just to get high. By this i don’t mean anyone can smoke weed if the feel sad, but i mean they are having unbareable pain they should be able to relax without actual DRUGS like perscription ones and hard DRUGS like coc and herione and crap like that… those are really bad, but marijuana is a plant that doesnt use anychemicals to give it any affects its completely natural. Saying that marijuana is a horrible drug is like saying gensing(sorry if it is misspelled) is a horrible way to get an energy boost. If marijuana is used proparly for a specific use besides just the feeling of getting high then it shouldn’t be a controvercy at all

  166. Zac said

    DONT BE DUMB PEOPLE YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE THEN YOUR DEAD! YOU ONLY HAVE ONE CHANCE TO BE A GOOD PERSON AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE THE WAY YOU SEE FIT. DON’T LET CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES BRAINWASH YOU. I LIVE MY LIFE FOR CHRIST AND GOD THE RIGHT WAY BY “ENJOYING” LIFE. JUST REMEMBER TO KEEP OTHER IN MIND AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND LIVE A GOOD LIFE. SATAN IS EVIL. THERE IS NO EVIL IN MARIJUANA. MOST RIDICULOUS. WHY EVEN BE A CHRISTIAN IF YOU CANT ENJOY LIFE? ARE YOU ALL THAT AFRAID OF HELL AND DYING? I GUESS IM GOING TO HELL BUT ID RATHER BE IN HELL THAN ANYWHERE THESE GUYS ARE.

  167. Zman said

    Marijuana doesnt kill you. With over 10,000 years of recorded marijuana use no one has ever died from smoking it. A report I received shows that marijuana use prevents head and neck cancer and that it can increase the amount of air that is taken into the lungs which can be lowered by cigarette use. Marijuana is not worse for you than cigs are. Another study shows that it can cause prostate cancer tumors to stop growing all together. Another study shows that it can actually increase the production of brain cells. Please do not say MJ kills brain cells, you might say it does because of a botched experiment on some monkeys that were murdered due to lack of oxygen. My info is cited from norml.org and a documentary entitled The Union: The Business Behind Getting High

  168. Concerned Parent and Taxpayer said

    The Congressional failure to implement a fee and regulatory program for marijuana in the United States is irresponsible and a violation of the public trust.
    The cartels would be poorer, our public lands cleaner, and our children safer if we implemented a Personal Use and Cultivation Permit: $100 per year for a dozen plants. Split the proceeds between the States and the Fed.
    It’s time to put the cartels out of business.
    It’s time to let ordinary Americans grow a little marijuana in their own back yards.

  169. Adam said

    Genesis 1:29 says “Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”

    How much clearer does it need to be? Marijuana is a plant! Plain and simple. Did you know that eating it has the same effect as smoking it? God gave man EVERY seed baring plant as food. I don’t think he cares how we use it.

    People who are comparing smoking marijuana to drinking alcohol are not very well educated on the two. False knowledge leads to fear, fear leads to illegalization. Now it’s finally time for the truth to come out. I don’t care how much marijuana you smoke or eat, unlike alcohol, you’ll never ‘black out’ of have to be rushed to an emergency room because of overdosing.

    There is a ‘gap’ in the generations that still have the ‘reefer madness’ fear that were implanted in thier minds by either the government or their parents who learned if from the government. But slowly those effects are wearing off and new generations are looking past the lies.

    The only time I could see God having an issue with anything we do, including marijuana, is when we become so intrenched in idolizing something that it takes precedence over Him. This includes money, sex, food, wooden statues, whatever. God should be your number one priority no matter what. If everything else comes 2nd, I don’t see a problem.

    Live long, share the word, and praise God.

    LEAGALIZE IT!

  170. rocko said

    You have definately been on the gear for way too long pal, …….. I mean think about it!, it’s the whole image/behaviour/ persona with the whole “pot” thing, would Jesus, havng with the bong buddies up the street smoking pot all day, or even on occasion???? I don’t need to answer that, you know what it is mate.

  171. markd4lyph said

    I am a pastor of 22 years. I am a former drug addict. A month ago I declared a war on drugs in my own home because despite my testimony and love for my children I found out they have both been using marijuana in a recreational way. My son is a straight A college student majoring in computer science and mathematics. My daughter is a senior in high school making good grades. I spent a month agonizing over how we failed as Christian parents. I grounded my daughter and began to hammer her with as much info about marijuana as I could. But I also did something else. I worked even harder on our relationship. I worked through all my shame and fear and prayed my guts out that she would give that stuff up. As her grounding came near an end I realized I was truly powerless to keep her from smoking pot. I had a choice. I could be her warden or her father. I chose to be her father. Then something happened that I would never have expected in a million years.

    I saw a documentary on CNBC called “Marijuana, INC” and began to see another side to this issue. I began to read and study scientific research as well as the true history of marijuana in the U.S. going back to our founding fathers. Then I found a website called LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) Thats when my eyes opened fully. Dozens of testimonies from former police and DEA agents saying that the war on drugs is not only a failure, but it is a disease worse than the drugs themselves.

    I may have to get used to the fact that my kids smoke a little weed. But I will not allow that to make them my enemy nor will I treat them like an enemy of God. Looking back, the only sin I can see them having truly committed was lying and deception to avoid my wrath. But that is not a consequence of the pot, but a consequence of my law.

    When I used drugs it was because I was a lost broken sinner. Jesus came and healed me and I no longer needed sex, drugs and alcohol. Then I got married and sex was not a sin. Then years later I was set free from legalism regarding moderate use of alcoholic beverages. In both alcohol and sex I was once a sinner. But in Christ I was made whole and later was given the freedom to partake within His design. Could it be perhaps that marijuana has a place in Gods design? Who was it that wrote the DNA strand of Cannabis Sativa and Cannibis Indica? The creator of heaven and earth did. There is only one plant species in the bible that was forbidden and that was the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. It grew only in the Garden of Eden as did the tree of life. After God expelled the first people from the garden He NEVER prohibited another plant again.

    Why then have we? Prohibition is of Satan, not of God. Satan has used the law to destroy generations of otherwise law abiding youth and putting them in prisons with rapists and murderers and demon-possessed psychopaths. The resulting problems of joblessness and ineligibility leaves them with few options and they are far more likely then to turn to substance abuse and illegal activity. Studies show that a very high percentage of young pot users quit smoking in their 30′s for their own personal reasons.

    The war on drugs can be best illustrated by the cartoon where Elmer Fudd tried to get a fly out of his house and could not succeed. Out of frustration he ended up chasing it with with a shotgun. He ended up blowing huge holes in a nice house and it was filled with flies. The war on drugs has blown holes in our society through which terrorists and gangsters come in and make billions. If you think that drugs fund the terrorists then legalize drugs and they will go broke. Put the drug agents on our borders to search for WMD’s and stop illegal aliens and let the drug sniffing dogs all be retrained to find bombs. The cartels will go broke. But then if you were a Columbian drug kingpin wouldn’t you bribe the politicians to increase penalties on drugs? Illegality is the key to their wealth. The bible says that “sin, taking occasion by the law, produced death in me.” We must realize that Satan has used our own self righteous deception against us to destroy us. Disarm the devil. Legalize drugs beginning with marijuana.

  172. jay said

    you said.

    Why no? Let’s start first with the fact it is ILLEGAL! You really don’t need any other reason.

    So your saying that if somthing is illegal we shouldnt do it. So if it was illegal to pray to God your saying we shouldnt do it?????

  173. 420 said

    this guy tells so much @#$%!!! i have smoked weed myself and i can tell you it does not make you do stuff you wouldnt do if you were not smoking weed. this guy or girl is telling people his opinion not a fact.

  174. Allanah said

    Read Galatians! It talks about how Jesus is the way to live, not the law!

  175. dale said

    i have for a long rime wrestled with the problem is marijuana wrong to smoke if i am a christian well my state recently made medical marijuana leagal i have cronic back pain and ulcertive collitus wich is ulcers in my bowels and can be quit painfull i was on dr prescribed pain pills and i needed stronger and stronger pills i got to the point that i was taking upwards of 6 to 8 prescription pain pills a day and also muscle relaxers plus pills to keep them from having sever nausia from the pills and i also have adhd plus i am leagaly blind from oculer albinisum my eyes move constantly well i cant take adhd pills i have high blood presure and i had to ween myself of the pain pills could not function was told they would have to remove my bowels and give me a colostimy bag because of the polups in my colin i am 44 and have 4 kids at home one six month old one ten years old 2 13 my daughter and stepson well i did some reserch and found the marijuan aleaviats pain with out getting me hooked and it slows my eyes down and controls my eyes and can put ulertive collitus in remission and the only side affect from smoking pot is broncitus but there are other means of ingesting it eating it and using a vaporizer wich heats up the bud and only realeases the thc and caniboids without burning the only thing you inhale is a vapor wich causes no harm at all of course there is a buzz with marijuana so is there with presctiption pain pills and muscil relaxers and the side affects of the prescription drugs are far worse than the marijuana so what do think just because it is leagal it is safe look at asprin i tried asprin for pain all it did was caus my ulcers to bleed and so did many other pain meds plus bound my bowels up wich flaired up my collitus so you do the math wich is better for me prescribed drugs with a long list of side affects that can eventualy kill me marijuana using has never killed anyone oh ya it slows my eyes down so i can read and focus on things that move back and forth and under our state law we can grow our own and not have to buy it off the street so we dont get tainted pot besides there are far much worse things in this world going on than people smoking pot pot actualy makes you a peacful person and none violent can we say that about our warmongering government obama just got a nobel peace prize for what sending more troops to there death if thats peace then i would hate to see what is violence war is wrong in any shape or fashion

  176. Joshua 1:9 BE STRONG said

    hi ive been a christian for about 3yrs now and i do smoke weed. To me it is a personal choice as it stands and if GOD were to convict me otherwise then i will follow where the good Lord leads me.
    I am 21 yrs old and attend a very strict christian university im sure all of you have heard of. I feel that there are NO verses condemning the use of weed or any verses saying its OK. Grey area? The only thing i will say now really is those of us who are brothers and sisters of Christ should sober up to the reality that PEOPLE ARE DYING AND GOING TO HELL TODAY!!!! and put our talents that God has blessed us with to further his gospel not twist and construe it. Very logical points made on both sides which is why i feel its a personal conviction. I look forward to responses thankyou

    • Academic said

      Joshua,
      You are very right in saying that we should be united rather than divided. The fact is christians are being persecuted daily for growing herbs. “God gave man every herb bearing seed on the face of the whole earth” Gen 1:29. “Everything god created is good” 1 Tim 1:4.

      STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHT!

  177. open mind said

    First of all, if Weed was legal would you then say it was ok? Seeing as weed has less of an effect on the brain than alcohol, and alcohol was consumed in the bible is weed ok? Second, it is NOT a perversion of Gods creation. Is killing a cow, cutting it up, seasoning it and cooking it a perversion of meat which makes a good steak ungodly? Hmmmm…. I’m thinking NO. That is the most ridiculous argument I have heard against weed. And last, there are many studies that say that weed has no long term effects on the body and is in no way worse than a cigarette. When smoked out of a bong or water pipe, the smoke is filtered through the water and even less harmful to the body. I am in no way saying smoking weed is not a sin, in fact I myself am not sure of the answer and currently doing research of my own to find the answer on my own in the bible. I am a christian and have smoked weed, and I enjoyed it. But I am not promoting it. I want to make that clear. Thank you for trying to give your somewhat narrow minded, ill researched opinion, but next time stick to things you actually know about.

  178. Face the Facts said

    I don’t know who this self-proclaimed “Job” is…. But he got buried in this debate!

    Peace on Earth!

  179. überRegenbogen said

    It is worth noting that the reason that marijuana is illegal have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with God. In the USA it was achieved a measly 73 years ago, after an extensive propaganda campaign, wages by upper-crust industrialists whose only interest in the affair was guarding their revenue streams. It that God’s will?

    To go on to say that the typical preparations of marijuana for consumption are a perversion of God’s creation is to open a whole other can of worms. By that criterion, food preparation is also a perversion of God’s creation. And cutting down trees, slicing them into lumber, and building houses, is a likewise perversion of God’s creation.

    Mind you, I DO NOT ADVOCATE BEING STONED ALL THE TIME. ANYTHING IN EXCESS IS BAD. But it’s been demonstrated time and again, that the best way to turn something into a problem is the prohibit it. Take a look at what happened during alcohol prohibition in the early 20th century. MORE people boozed up. And many died from bad booze.

    Conversely, places without age limits on drinking don’t have a big problem with teen drinking. And places where it’s legal to smoke pot don’t have a big problem with that. Meanwhile, no one has ever died as a direct result of smoking it; no one has been poisoned to death by marijuana. Thousands of people (including one of my cousins) poison themselves to death with alcohol. Yet booze is perfectly legal.

    And the assertion that smoking pot leads to worse substances and other bad decisions is feeble at best. It is the fact that it is illegal that puts it into the situations where those bad decisions would (and do) happen with or without it. Most people who smoke pot without becoming part of trash drug culture have no particular interest in the likes of dust, crack, meth, etc. And the decision that marijuana classically leads them to, is to be happy, peaceful, spiritually generous people.

    Choosing to associate marijuana with the traps of the otherwise unrelated substances that it has been artificial cast into association with is fallacious. (And citing illegality borders on circular argument. “It’s bad because it’s illegal. It’s illegal ’cause someone claimed that it’s bad.”) If there is a foundation for avoiding it, this ain’t it.

    But again, don’t be a stoner (on anything—even chocolate, or caffeine). Our brains are built to operate straight-up most of the time, and get out of whack if kept altered for very long.

  180. Thats Not Right said

    You really didnt do your homework read the hebrew text from exodus on anointed oil and incense. both the oil and the incense are from cannabis(Marijuana)
    “However, God NEVER intended
    you to dry the plant out, go to 7-11 and buy a pack of Zig Zags, crumble the
    dried plant in the rolling paper, roll it up and smoke it. That my friend is
    a perverted use of God’s creation.”
    to make incense you have to dry it out…
    on another note if the body is a temple than what about unhealthy foods? Its all about self control. you cant blame anyone but yourself.

  181. susie Q said

    Thank you all for your comments.
    It truly is about working out our salvation….finding His answers for our lives….working together, sharing, strengthening each other, encouraging, teaching, most of all seeking truth….His truth.
    I was clean for 10yrs after first becoming a xn….moved back into BC and started dabbling into it again…..now searching for His will on this matter. I think of the saying: All things are permissible, but not all beneficial….is this thing “weed” an example of good (because there really are a lot of good to it)…just an enemy of Best?
    God wants His BEST for us….is this His best?
    Again…thank you for your arguments, the scriptures you gave, and your heart on this issue.
    I will trust in the Lord with all my heart and know He will give clear sight to my heart and mind on this issue.
    Praise be to God.
    Have a beautiful day all…..standing in His grace and sharing His love to all.
    Susie

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