Archive for September, 2007
Posted by Job on September 30, 2007
Posted by Job on September 29, 2007
This is courtesy of Brother Laz.
You scored as a Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan
You are an evangelical in the Wesleyan tradition. You believe that God’s grace enables you to choose to believe in him, even though you yourself are totally depraved. The gift of the Holy Spirit gives you assurance of your salvation, and he also enables you to live the life of obedience to which God has called us. You are influenced heavily by John Wesley and the Methodists.
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 86%
Neo orthodox 71%
Reformed Evangelical 71%
Classical Liberal 14%
Modern Liberal 0%
Roman Catholic 0%
Scoring 14% classic liberal does not bother me, but I must root out the 43% emergent/postmodern heresies in my being! Oh well, back to Bible study …
The Trinity As Explained By A Black Guy (Fans Of Juanita Bynum, TD Jakes, Noel Jones And Other Heretics Pay Attention!)
Posted by Job on September 29, 2007
Ephesians511′s ministry seems to be no more, but perhaps this BlackCalvinist fellow can take his place.
Posted by Job on September 29, 2007
Suggestion 1: State that “There is one God, and the only way to Him is through His Son, Y’shua HaMashiach, more commonly known as Jesus Christ. There is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. God is a spirit, and must be accepted and worshiped by faith and in spirit and truth, not with icons, symbols, rituals, or intermediaries. The knowledge of God is available to all who seek Him and fellowship is open to all who desire it, so there is no secret rites or secret knowledge. Salvation is not determined on the basis of heredity, nationality, ethnicity, or the performance of some ritual but rather through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ based on acceptance of and submission to that same Jesus Christ through faith and obedience. Those who do not do this are destined to an eternity in the lake of fire. If you have not, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior right now for tomorrow is not promised to you.”
Suggestion 2: While other dialogue may be necessary and sufficient, the clear goal of any an all communication must be to convey the contents of suggestion 1 in an unambiguous unapologetic uncompromising manner. If a person is unable or unwilling to do so, then said person should refrain from participating in said dialogue.
Any questions? The Three Step Salvation Plan
Posted by Job on September 29, 2007
I am concerned with the full – throated denunciations of replacement theology by evangelical and liberal Christians. The reason is that doing so almost inevitably leads down the path that starts with de – emphasizing important and fundamental Christian doctrine and ends with dual covenant theology. Why are we so afraid of causing offense to our Jewish friends on this matter? We should respect their feelings, but we cannot allow our doctrines to be governed by said feelings. And moreover, why are do we give any more considerations to the feelings of Jews than we do Muslims, Hindus, wiccans, etc.? Do we feel that Jesus Christ is the only way to God and eternal life or don’t we? Thus, if Judaism will not result in the salvation of a person from an eternity in the lake of fire, then what profit is there in it? In what way is it superior to satanism or witchcraft?
There is a point to my absurd reductionism here. One of the things that began to turn me away from the ministry of John Hagee was when he started having Orthodox rabbis on his show, and they would actually discuss things concerning God and scripture. Of course, Jesus Christ was never mentioned. Hagee knew perfectly well that the rabbis that he was putting on his TV show will go to the lake of fire for eternity unless he accepted Jesus Christ as his savior. Would Hagee have put a Muslim or Mormon on his show and talk about scripture with them? After all, you can talk about Jesus Christ in front of a Mormon or Muslim all you want and they won’t get the least bit offended! Of course not! Now as it was from Hagee that I first learned of the term “replacement theology” and how awful it was – responsible for the Holocaust he claims – and now I am wondering if it is all a scam. After all, has Hagee had Messianic Jewish rabbis on his show? Gary Hedrick, one of the most prominent Messianic Jews in this country, is right in Hagee’s San Antonio. If he has, I never saw them, and the answer is almost certainly no because affiliating with Messianic Jews would end Hagee’s political relationships with AIPAC and similar concerns in America and Israel that he has used to become quite influential.
But wait, you say, Jews and Christians worship the same God, so my comparison with Muslims, Mormons, and certainly satanists is wrong. No we don’t. The only way that you worship God is in spirit and in truth (John 4:22-24), which means that God can only be worshiped in the manner that He tells us to. When Christ spoke those words to the Samaritan woman, he was summarizing the commandments given to the Jews in the Torah where God commanded that their worship of Him not emulate the practices of pagan religions, so Christ did not give a new revelation in this regards: it is integral to Judaism (Christians, regrettably, have been more than willing to syncretize our worship with pagan and humanistic beliefs and practices unfortunately). So what did God say in John 14:6? “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” In this dispensation, the only way to worship God is to acknowledge Jesus Christ as God and worship the Father through Him with the Holy Spirit as the Intercessor. Now of course, the Jews were doing this in the Old Testament, but had no knowledge of it. But when that knowledge was revealed to them, they rejected it. As such, since they refuse to worship Jesus Christ as God, then they are not worshiping the true God. Christians that pretend otherwise, quite frankly, are either dual covenant theologists or are giving silent assent to what they know to be a lie. The New Testament, especially Hebrews and Romans, states repeatedly that there is no profit to the religion of the Jews without Christ.
Ah, but Christianity came from Judaism so we have to respect it, they say! As a matter of fact, it is becoming quite fashionable in recent times to say that Jesus Christ never intended to start a new religion. Well, that line of thinking actually helps replacement theology, because Jesus Christ explicitly stated that His purpose was to fulfill the law and that the Jews should forsake what they were practicing before and to follow Him, for He alone was the way. Even after the term “Christian” was first applied to the largely Gentile church at Antioch, it was not applied to Jews that believed upon the resurrection of Yeshua HaMashiach. Rather, they were called “the way” or “Nazarenes.” During the early part of Christ’s ministry, He tried to convince the Jews that the kingdom at heaven was at hand and to follow Him. It was only after He was rejected by Jews that He laid the foundation for the church (Himself) by intensively training and teaching the apostles.
Christ obviously tried to replace the Judaism of the day with worship that acknowledged Him as the Son of God but was rejected, see John 5:18 “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” After the Jews rejected the Stone, Christ built the church to take on the role that the Jews rejected. By virtue of the church doing what the Jews would not do, their entering the Promised Land when the Jews forbeared as their forefathers did when they left Egypt and as a result all save Joshua and Caleb died in the wilderness (a remnant that pretty much represents the Messianic Jews of today), clearly the church assumed the role that was originally intended for Israel, and in real spiritual terms replaced Israel. The church is now the vehicle by which God’s Will is done and His Presence made known upon the earth. Claiming otherwise is to deny the entirety of the New Testament.
Now this is where I part ways with Hank Hanegraaf and a great many other Christians that deeply resent Jews and in particular the nation of Israel, and as such have to basically declare Revelation to be mere political resistance literature to justify their antipathy (completely ignoring that Revelation expounds upon Matthew 24 and the endtimes teachings of Paul, Jude, and the other epistles from John). First, you have Romans 11:1-2a. “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.” And even more so, you have what makes my comparisons with Judaism and other religions extremely problematic superficially. Romans 3:1-4 reads “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
Yes, the Mosaic covenant is broken and done away with. Not that you would ever know that from listening to John Hagee, who not only preaches the false prosperity doctrine based on it, but actually claims that Christians will be cursed under the terms of the old covenant for not tithing. But the covenant with Abraham is still in effect! Genesis 12:1-3 reads “Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” Now please realize that the portion in bold has already been fulfilled by way of Jesus Christ, the one who brought salvation to every nation, was a descendant of Abraham. But the rest? It is still very much in effect.
So, did I bring a curse upon myself by saying that Jews do not worship the same God as we do and there is no difference between being a Jew and a satanist? How did I avoid transgressing Romans 3:1-4? Simple. My former statement was confirmed in Romans 2:16-29. Please notice such excerpts from that passage as “For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written” and “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” As for my latter statement, I limited its terms to eternal salvation only.
But even as the church is incontrovertibly the spiritual and true descendants of Abraham, it is equally incontrovertible that because of God’s unconditional covenant with that same Abraham that in a natural sense his descendants are God’s chosen, elect people. This was demonstrated by the fact that God, even after their breaking the covenant and taking away the natural monarchy (the spiritual Davidic monarch, the true monarch, is Jesus Christ), God still restored them to their land. Some would say that the chosen status was entirely transferred to Jesus Christ, who became the personification of Israel. As such, those who are saved are in Christ and therefore are spiritually “living in Israel.” I do not disagree. But the problem is that a spiritual single reference interpretation does not solve the problem of Romans 3:1-4. There has to be a dual reference interpretation: one that applies naturally to the Jews and spiritually to the church. That certain Christians are unwilling to do that and in the course of doing so reject Revelation (and with it not only the long line of prior prophetic and eschatological passages that serve as the foundation of Revelation, but also the warnings to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 and virtually everything straightforward that we know about the final resurrection and judgment) is not replacement theology. Rather, it is simply rejecting parts of scripture that they find disagreeable. The re – establishment of Israel proves that Romans 3:1-4 is true and that Genesis 12:1-3 is still in effect.
That isn’t a problem with me, because if Romans 3:1-4 and Genesis 12:1-3 are true, then it means that John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10 are true too, and therefore that I am going to be with God for eternity rather than in the lake of fire. But it is a problem for a great many professed Christians who root for the collapse of the state of Israel (starting with its self – immolation by way of making a peace deal with Palestine) because to them that would prove that Genesis 12:1-3 has been transferred away from the Jews and to them. Why? Simple jealousy. They cannot stand being second place in any context. It doesn’t matter that their being second place is only for a time so that the very same God that they are trusting for their salvation based on His Word can keep the promise that He made with Abraham and thereby be true to that very same Word. But regardless of what they tell themselves in their rebellious hearts, Genesis 12:1-3 is still true. Because of Genesis 12:1-3, God is not through dealing with the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. Because of the promise to Abraham, the Jews and Israel are still going to be the central characters and have the leading role as the last days of history play out.
What will that role be? The end will not come until Israel, as a nation, undoes the wrong that they committed about 2000 years ago by accepting Jesus Christ as their Messiah and their God. Revelation 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” Messianic Jew Randy Weiss of Crosstalk.org theorizes that this will happen when the entire nation of Israel in unison cries out to God in to save them from the armies that come against them during Armaggeddon. According to Weiss, the whole nation will be screaming “God save us!”, at which time Jesus Christ will return and do just that. At that time will be impossible to deny, for the Hebrew Name of Jesus, Y’shua, means “God saves.” How will they be forced to acknowledge that it is the Christian Jesus Christ rather than the Messiah that rabbinic Judaism teaches that they are still awaiting? Well, “and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him” would tend to mean that the wounds in His side and hands, the same ones that doubting Thomas said that he had to see and touch before he would believe, will still be there. In that respect, just as Judas Iscariot was the prototype for the members of his nation that rejected Christ and will eternally perish up until that day, Thomas was the prototype for the members of the Jewish nation that have been predestined by God to survive the great tribulation, see Jesus Christ on that day, repent, and be saved: those that will never believe unless they see (John 4:48) what the church believed without seeing and are called blessed because of it.
Why must history play out in this fashion? Think not of it in terms of the Jews being so special. (Which is not to say that the Jews AREN’T special; they just are, OK, so you just have to accept that and if you cannot well then it is on your head.) Instead, it is all about GOD. It is all about GOD being glorified for His Great Name’s sake. Please recall when Moses made his intercession for the children of Israel after they sinned in the desert. What did Moses say? Think of destroying Your nation would mean for YOUR NAME; how it would be viewed by Egypt and the other nations of the world. Does God need vindication, acknowledgment, and glorification from whom He desires to seek it? No. But does He WANT and DESERVE it? Of course He does. So for the sake of His Own Name and His Own Son, God is not going to countenance corporate rejection by His own elect nation, the very nation that He chose to bear His Name (1 Kings 8:29). If you want to say “Well now the church is God’s nation that carries His Name” … well OK then why didn’t God just destroy Israel in the desert? After all, He would have still had Moses to carry on the promise to Abraham through.
Whether their number will be great or small, Israel will as a nation accept Jesus Christ before the nations of the world so that God will be glorified. And it is because of that, the Will and Glory of God, that the church HAD to replace Israel spiritually but CANNOT replace Israel naturally.
Posted by Job on September 28, 2007
Uh oh home churches, the Satanic forces of mammon have you in their crosshairs! I entreat you, all of you, not to covet any man’s silver or apparel (Acts 20:33) and to fall for nothing that urges you to conform or make accommodation to the ways of the world. Remember: you folks left the church system, the religious culture, to be DIFFERENT. To be SEPARATE. To be HOLY. Do not allow the purveyors of worldliness come in with their carnal junk (see Sex Sells Especially In The Church: Exploiting The Christian Market) designed to appeal to your flesh or worse: “devotionals” and other popular “Christian” books that contain precious little theology (and even that little bit is always WRONG) but plenty of humanistic New Age pyschoanalytical heresies so that they can defile your garments! If you have all this money burning holes through your pockets, use it to support legitimate ministry activities like this one (http://www.wycliffe.org), and give the rest to the poor. Now on to the article from Ingrid Schlueter’s new weblog (her last one, Slice of Laodicea, the one that first informed me that TD Jakes was a oneness heretic liar, suffered a horrific attack by Satan, but Schlueter is back in business with a new one):
Posted by Job on September 27, 2007
Since Mormons and Muslims have both been well received on TBN, all that is missing are the oneness pentecostals. Of course evil spirits of false doctrine and phony divination and those indwelt by them are going to get along and be great friends when they both have the common agenda of warring against and overcoming legitimate Christianity from without and within. Click here to download: TheMormonsAndMuhammed.mp3, or to listen if the embedded player below does not work. Produced by The Berean Call.
Posted by Job on September 27, 2007
The title is courtesy of the old “stupid pet tricks” routine of David Letterman’s, nothing else should be deduced or inferred from it. If it offends you, well then I am sorry but I am offended by people going to an eternity in the lake of fire. Please take note of these entries: A Way To Spot A False Prophet: By The Frequency And Nature Of Their Predictions and The Requirements For The Office Of A Prophet. The graphic shocking content of this post should make any unsaved person realize that they urgently need Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ, in order to be saved from the same totally depraved and utterly wicked state that all humanity is born into that you are about to witness. Please follow The Three Step Salvation Plan and know that unchurched people will be far more likely to be moved to acknowledge that they need help from this than professed Christians. Now on to allow Juanita Bynum to condemn herself in her own words, fully in context!
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Posted by Job on September 27, 2007
Owing to my charismatic leanings, my stance on this issue is not as strong as some (see
Why I Run From All Who Claim the Title “Apostle” or “Prophet”.) However, this is something that we should keep in mind whenever we see the various prophets in our churches and on television.
First off, my position is that what the Bible calls “prophesying” or of “one who prophesieth” or “did prophesy.” I believe that those are references to people to whom the word of God came to at some time without holding the office of prophet (i.e. Daniel ) or speaking in known or unknown tongues. In either case, the requirements are not nearly as stringent because the person makes no claim to holding the office. But for someone that gives themselves that office, they must be tried by the Holy Spirit, which among other things gives us understanding of scripture.
1. Most of the prophetic utterances in the Bible was not speaking of the future or of things supernatural. (By the same token, a staggering amount of the future predictions in the Bible, such as those of Abraham and Joseph in Genesis; Daniel; Paul, Jude, and John in Revelation and the epistles, etc. DID NOT come from prophets.) Instead, most of the prophetic speech recorded in the Bible was speaking out against and challenging the wickedness of the day, demanding that the people repent and turn to God, and telling them what blessings they would receive if they obeyed and curses would befall them if they didn’t.
Their basis for this? Sometimes it would be revelation from God, true, BUT USUALLY IT WAS BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS ALREADY GIVEN IN SCRIPTURE. A prophet did not need a revelation from God to warn the kings and the people that God would punish them if they continued with the idolatry, violence, and oppressing the poor. All they had to do was read Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, judge the actions of the rulers and the people by them, and speak according to what the Word of God said. While prophets will naturally be better at it – just as someone with the Holy Spirit gift of evangelism will be better at being used by God to win converts – any Christian that regularly reads the Bible is capable of doing the same.
And by the way: as a general rule Israel’s prophets weren’t prophesying to the people of Babylon telling them what sinners they were and how God was going to get them. No, virtually all of the prophetic words came to God’s elect people, which was Israel then but now is the church (you can go tell John Hagee and the B’nai B’rith Anti – Defamation League that I said that). A lot of people feel that just because the speech isn’t on future events or doesn’t amaze you with talk of angels and visions that it isn’t divinely inspired. That is not the case. Very little of the Bible is dedicated to what most modern Christians consider modern and supernatural, most of it is telling us how to live, and telling us what will happen to those who obey and those who disobey. Yet every word of the Bible is supernaturally divinely inspired! So, a person who claims to be a prophet according the Word and Spirit of God that ignores what makes up the vast majority of the Bible’s content in favor of unverifiable revelations and utterances (the folks with their hands stretched out saying “God is telling me that someone somewhere is going to get a breakthrough of some sort at some time … RARELY the types of prophecies in the Bible that gave the who where when what and why”) ; nowhere in scripture does a prototype for such a person exist in scripture. And as virtually no one out there is contending against the falsehoods in Christianity (few are even doing so with regards to the world!) then one can deduce that the number of Christian prophets is declining with time. Whatever the effects of Azusa Street and the other charismatic revivals, it did not result in a sustained increase in the number of legitimate prophets or prophetic activity.
The bottom line: if this prophet or prophetess is not speaking against the evil that is being preached and done in the church on a regular basis as did Amos, Hosea, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc. then such a person is a false prophet.
2. Now let us deal with the forthtelling and discernment of the spirit realm, or what modern Christians associate with prophecy. Now this is almost certainly the case because many Christians confuse what more closely resembles shamans, mystics, and diviners from other religions with actual Biblical examples of what a prophet is supposed to be and do. Now that Yahweh yoga, contemplative prayer, and other syncretistic trends are moving from the more liberal emergent church movements into the charismatic movement (which by the way isn’t nearly as theologically or socially conservative as it once was) that is only going to increase. But if we go by recorded scripture – which is our only reliable guide – and a careful intuitive study thereof, you will see that such revelations obviously came RARELY.
How do we know this? Take, for instance, Ezekiel 26:1 – “And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me.” Now remember: scripture is our primary guide, and accounts of prophetic revelation, visions, dreams, etc. are almost always prefaced with “in this year in this month on that day in this hour, the Word of the Lord came to the prophet.” While there clearly is a great deal of evidence that much more prophesying went on than was included in the Bible, their being able to remember and seeing fit to record precisely when and where these prophecies came to them would tend to make you believe that they received prophetic messages RARELY. Now when you add that to the fact that very little of the Bible is what most Christians now consider prophecy, we are forced to conclude that prophets did not receive revelation from God at will or on a regular basis.
Consider an example. Suppose that a prophet were to receive 100 prophecies. That would amount to 2 – 3 prophecies a year for a person who began serving the office at the age of 40 and lived to the age of 80 (you do know that PROPHETS DO NOT RETIRE don’t you? any prophet that retires was almost certainly a false one while he was “working”). And realize this: even that 2 – 3 distinct prophetic revelations a year would dwarf that of virtually any prophet recorded in scripture, even if you are very liberal with what is meant by “prophecy.” Now if your prophet claims to have frequent insights or applications that came from intense study of scripture, then you should entertain his or her words, especially if it is something that you do not want to hear and convicts you. (Or have you forgotten that such was usually what prophets did; deliver an unpopular message that no one wanted to hear? If so, then why do YOU think that the prophets were killed, and not by the nonelect peoples but by God’s chosen Israel? And if there were unpopular messages to be delivered to God’s people that no one wanted to hear then, what makes now any different?)
But it honestly seems that most of the people that purport to be prophets behave more like fortune tellers, psychics, palm readers, astrologers, etc. than Bible – based holders of a five – fold ministry office, and it appears that such is the case because that is precisely what Christians want. Rather than allowing their daily lives to be governed by the hard challenging demanding truth of what God has already given them in the Bible and accepting that all other revelation will be A) consistent with prior revelation in the Bible and B) very precious and rarely given and C) not secret knowledge or special information given to a privileged few but rather given to the entire church, meaning that it will be confirmed with similar revelations by other prophets as was the case in the Bible, people just go looking for something that makes them feel good. And it is not ALWAYS people who are running to the prophets looking for excuses to be lascivious and disobedient (although that certainly is the case from time to time), but rather people who quite simply lack the faith to trust the Bible and instead wants rely on what a person says. Such a person does not have faith in God and because of that will never please God or receive anything from Him, but instead will be easily misled into perdition by falsehoods and those who traffic in them.
Bottom line: the people that have new supernatural (and again usually non – specific, unverifiable, and unaccountable) “revelations” from God every time they are invited to revivals at your church or every time you see them on TV are clearly false prophets.
In conclusion, I am certain that there are people holding the five – fold ministry office of a prophet operating in the Body of Christ today. I am just as certain, however, that those people are not regarded as such, but rather are scorned, rejected, and despised of by virtually all Christians.
Posted by Job on September 27, 2007
The good people at Abrahamic Faith say so! To read their case access the PDF document here: http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/Simon/7-FeastsNT.pdf. If you prefer html, access that version by clicking here. I point this out because of the regrettable fact that most of the traditional “Christian” holidays, observances, and ceremonies are manmade, not given by God in the Bible, and worse still more than a few have pagan origins and influences. That is why though I do not necessarily unconditionally endorse the Messianic Jewish movement (but instead prominently feature their teachings primarily to promote a different perspective on Christianity) usually the very Christians that attack them do so under the pretense that the things created by the Roman Catholic and other institutional churches are better or more appropriate than things actually given in the Bible and practiced in the early church that the Messianic Jews keep.
Case in point: the many gyrations and obfuscations over Sunday worship. Not that there is anything WRONG with Sunday worship like the Seventh Day Adventists claim, just quit pretending that it is given or justified anywhere in scripture and admit that the Roman government established Sunday worship to suit its own purposes. The Christians that say that it is because Sunday is the day of Jesus Christ’s resurrection … as if the witnesses to the resurrection did not know what day it was on. If the Jews that saw Christ in the flesh did not use that reason to set that as the date of worship, then there is no reason to claim that God told us to do it. Do any of you believe that the resurrected Christ told His followers to start meeting and observing the Sabbath on Sunday, and they said “Forget what our Lord and God says, we are going to do what we want to do?”
But this is not saying that you should go out and observe these feasts or even believe their interpretation of scripture. Instead, it is to pursue a larger point, which is to ask why Christians are so willing to ignore and in a great many cases demean and oppose things that may be biblically justified in favor of things that were created by man and not only have no biblical justification but may even oppose and contradict what the Bible actually says and calls for. Why are the people of God so willing to reject the things of God for the things of the world? So if nothing else, I am using Messianic Jews to make a point, which is to expose the many ways that traditional Christians are in agreement with the world by way of our traditions and in so many other ways as well.
Posted by Job on September 26, 2007
Posted by Job on September 26, 2007
Posted by Job on September 26, 2007