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Benny Hinn Trick Exposed! Oh Yes, And More Paula White And Joel Osteen Stuff

Posted by Job on May 28, 2007

Update: another Paula White outrage Whites scam widow and single mother! Hey, black people who have made Paula White the #1 rated show on BET … DO YOU CARE? Then again, anti – Trinitarian TD Jakes is #2, so maybe you don’t.

Update: see Paula White Claims That Jesus Christ Died In Vain!

I must ask: have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If not, follow this link The Three Step Salvation Plan

I regret that I have not been doing much on the topic of false preachers lately; I have my reasons and they are good ones. But fortunately, Independent Conservative has still been at it! See this excellent piece on how he gets so many people to fall out at once. See Benny Hinn Secret Exposed

And oh, Paula White. Boy, this lady had me fooled so thoroughly that at one time I was actually buying her books and tapes to give them to other people having spiritual problems. Yesterday, I turn on some Christian TV network (I forget which) and she talks about this great time that she had at this conference where “great anointed messages were brought by ‘powerful men of god'” TD Jakes and Noel Jones. Men of god? Maybe … but which god? Not the God of the Bible that pre – exists eternally in the persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but of their oneness pentecostal modalism cult through which they are ordained as “bishops.” More on that later. This post will talk about the fraud and deceit perpetrated by Paula and Randy White (I list Paula first because even though Randy is the “head pastor”, he uses Paula as the front for his “ministry” because he knows that she can rake in more money in one week than he can in a year). The most amazing part (to me) is Randy White claiming to have college degrees that he does not possess. See Randy and Paula White Evil Vipers.

While you are at it, we have another PROTESTANT abuse scandal Gerald Griffith Guilty

More stupid prosperity tricks (after the David Letterman “stupid pet tricks” feature)Todd Hall Pimp

And no entry of this sort would be complete without a Joel Osteen mention of how he manages to do an Easter sermon WHILE LEAVING OUT JESUS CHRIST:
Much Osteen But Not Much Jesus Christ

I say again, there are two reasons why I do this, folks. The first reason is your soul. I do not want people to spend an eternity in the lake of fire on account of following some false preacher or doctrine; being destroyed for the lack of knowledge. A lot of people out there already know that something isn’t quite right with these people and are under Holy Spirit conviction. For people such as this, I am confronting you with the truth of all this filthy dirty sinful ugliness, pulling up these people’s skirts to expose their nakedness (Nahum 3:5) so that you can no longer deny it and be forced to turn aside from it. The second reason: my soul. I am going to be judged just like everyone else. If there is a false preacher out there, you are supposed to expose him and warn the nations of him. If you don’t, God will hold you personally accountable on judgment day! What makes you think otherwise? Look, how can you claim to love the God that you never see when you do not love your brother that you see every day enough to warn him that he is following a liar and a cheat? So even if I had NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST, I would still be doing this out of concern for myself. So I have to ask of you: why aren’t you doing likewise? Even if you aren’t concerned for your brother or sister in the Lord, aren’t you even concerned for yourself, and the day that you have to stand before God in judgment?

Father God in the Name of Jesus Christ, please raise up your mighty hand against all those who are perverting the gospel for gain and with false doctrines, and those who know Your Word but choose to live in rebellion to it. May those who do so out of ignorance, please show them the error of their ways, and those who deceive on purpose please pull Your people away from them. We know, Father, that Your Will must be done, that all things must be fulfilled, and people have to decide which they love foremost, You or themselves. I am merely asking, Father, that the eyes of the deceived be opened and that they choose to seek after and fight for Your righteousness. Amen.

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125 Responses to “Benny Hinn Trick Exposed! Oh Yes, And More Paula White And Joel Osteen Stuff”

  1. We are seeing is what Paul said would come in 2 Thessalonians 2. The evil one is sitting himself right up as if he should be highly exalted. The powers, signs and lying wonders of Satan are right in front of us and some think it’s the Lord.

    Jesus said in Matthew 24:5 that others would come “in My name” as in claim they came representing him and they will claim to be the “the Christ” anointed one sent from God, but will actually deceive man. These are the antichrists we are warned about 1 John 2:18-23, they’ve been around for a long time (even back in John’s time they were around) and have become very popular today, they deny the true nature of God. This is why I am so convinced they will play a hand in Matthew 24:9 when Jesus mentioned after the wars, quakes and rest of the “beginning of sorrows”, that we true Christians will be killed and put into global tribulation, because the entire world will hate us. Those who are false are going to make us into the ones viewed as a cult and they will seek to have us all killed. And then even more false prophets will come. Todays false teachers are the setup for them and ultimately the real Anti-christ (as in the one with a capital “A”). This is the promised apostasy and falling away, not revival, no “revival” was promised. The same ilk we expose now are the same who will cause us to be on the run in the future.

  2. Paula White tells them they are going to be rich, of course they care…they care that she keeps telling them they are going to be rich! That “Lottery Ticket jesus” is the hottest thing going these days. It’s the embracing of strong delusion.

  3. My head is about to explode because my blood is boiling about the house deal. Bro this is horrible. You see she said that she doesn’t attend any church. The same happened here with Terry Hornbuckle.

  4. Of course it would be great if she were part of a church with sound doctrine, but she was not. So actually she was worse off before when with the Whites than now, if she stays in the scriptures. I’ve found some areas actually are devoid of a church that has sound doctrine, she might be in such a situation in Tampa, but I don’t know that area well enough to say. She’s got to learn that she was under some terrible doctrine and go from there. Then she’ll be able to find an assembly of saints walking in spirit and truth.

    Did you notice that single mother had one additional baby by the end of that article? In leaving the mess the Whites had her in did she fall into more temptation? We have to pray she comes around to sound doctrine.

    See the letters to the editor about the big article on the Whites. There someone else says they don’t attend any church assembly because of the vipers like the Whites.

  5. Elwood Cameron Truesby said

    I have been in the ministry for nearly 20 years, and have long observed that those who are consumed with demons, false prophets, and error end up demonized, errant false prophets themselves the vast majority of the time. May God extend His mercy toward you-you people are pathetic and dangerous

  6. Elwood Cameron Truesby: “I have been in the ministry for nearly 20 years, and have long observed that those who are consumed with demons, false prophets, and error end up demonized, errant false prophets themselves the vast majority of the time. May God extend His mercy toward you-you people are pathetic and dangerous” So Paul, Peter, John, James, and Jesus Christ were demonized errant false prophets and also pathetic and dangerous? Or were they just the exception? And if the people depicted in the Bible and those who strive to pattern themselves after them are the exceptions, who constitutes the rule? Those such as yourself? And incidentally, kind sir, I make no efforts to hide my long past history of having been demonized for most of my life until I received salvation through Jesus Christ and spiritual deliverance 3 years ago (if not less). And yes, during the time that I was unsaved and demonized I was following a great many false doctrines and teachers and preachers that promote them. The content on this weblog and my other websites draw largely from my own experiences – and others whose testimonies are similar to mine – and my experiences also motivate me to work against some of the very people that I used to sit up all night watching on Christian television and sending money to. So my past sin – and my zeal to see others either come out of that sin or avoid it altogether – is motivation for my present mission. What is your motivation and your mission?

    • Jay said

      My dear friend, I see you say you’ve been delivered for 3 or less years, AND YOU HAVE THE MIND TO “WARN” US AGAINST PEOPLE THAT HAS BEEN IN MINISTRY FOR 20+ YEARS. I WANNA KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU SUCH AN EXPERT? You are still what I would perceive to be a Christian infant!! Yet you are the one who makes money with all types of nonsense on this website. The Bible also says that false prophets will know the Bible by heart, but we will overcome by the word of our TESTIMONY!!!! Nothing else. Have you seen Pastor Paula’s testimony, Bishop Jakes’ testimony?? These are the generals of hope in this world. The IMAGE of Christ in which we were all created. So please, I haven’t seen your testimony just yet, so stop dissin the people who are symbols of hope to people who needs it. These people are dilligent working people who’s work ethic will kill you in a few days. Believe me when I say that they still don’t paid enouygh for all the work they’re doing.

  7. G Clayton said

    you are a bunch of HATERS! GET A LIFE AND TALK ABOUT YOURSELVES AND YOUR OWN ISSUES AND STRUGGLES; LETS SEE WHO WOULD BE THE DEVIL THEN…I WOULD HATE TO SEE HOW YOU REALLY ARE WHEN YOU ARE AT HOME BEHIND CLOSED DOORS BASED ON ON THIS HATE AND JUDGEMENT BEING CAST OVER THE AIR WAVES. THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT GIVES CHRISTIANITY A BAD NAME…HATERS LIKE YOU.

  8. tobs said

    ONLY GOD CAN REVEAL TO ME WHICH PASTOR IS REAL OR FAKE

  9. Anna said

    I guess I’m confused.I’m shocked at this website! Didn’t Jesus say to the mob who accused the woman caught in adultry, “He who is without sin cast the first stone”. If they have done wrong, they have God to answer to, not you. It appears there are a lot of sinless people.

  10. Anna: And when you have to stand before and answer God, what will you say?

  11. Mike said

    Anna no one is saying to persecute or kill these people. We are simply pointing them out as false prophets/preachers as the bible has called us to do. Has your pastor told you otherwise?

  12. Maryjane said

    Christians know the Word of God and through prayr and theWord is wisdom and discerning of spirits…Forums can go on and on..but God’s word is forever and Jesus sent a message to John the Baptist telling him the sick are healed the lame walk and the “poor” have the gospel..Not one time did he mention earthly riches but to store up riches in heaven..What is happening is an eye opener to the fact that evagelism is top priority…all those who claim evangelism is not their gift need to know it is a command to go and tell the gospel..All who know the Lord want others to know Him..This is our mission on this earth..To love the Lord our God and to trust Him and obey His word..by doing so..we are not deceived in anyway but have a heart of compassion and boldness to go out to a lost and dying world giving hope…Christians..stand courageous and go forth in the name of Jesus…

  13. I don’t blame the televangelists at all for being fake. I blame the stupid and ignorant people who follow stupid and ignorant fakes. Most so called Christians would kill Jesus if he did come back again. After all, didn’t bush have the backing of the Right wing Jesus freaks when he lied and went to war to kill thousands of people. Thank you Jesus, let’s go kill em.

  14. niky said

    AFTER ALL THIS THAT YOU HAVE WROTE I SUGGEST YOU DONT STAND THERE AND POINT THE FINGER BUT PRAY FOR THEM.MAY GOD GUIDE US< DELIVER US AND MAKE US READY $ JESUS IS REALLY COMING, REALLY SOON.

  15. Eden Hadassah said

    Jesus is Repub.,

    The Lord on more than one occasion talked about sheep. Sheep are most interesting creatures. They will come to their master, but there are times when certain sheep wander too much. A shepard once told a story to this pastor of his experiences with sheep, and it always stuck with me…
    He said that when a sheep wanders too much, an old tradition with shepards was to search for the sheep, break it’s leg, and carry it on the shepard’s shoulders until it healed. Once the wound was healed, the sheep would never leave the shepard again.
    The second thing he said was that sheep were dumb animals, suspicious and curious, eating anything like a goat, easily frightened and if in a panic would stand where they were and not move…even if it’s life was in danger. If it were caught in a river bank during a storm, it would just stay there and drowned.
    I that pretty much sums up most of the church! Myself included.

    I think we can all be sheepish.

  16. Mike Allan said

    Do any of you remember the Berean Christians who daily “sought the scriptures to see IF these things were true”……………….(those words expostulated by especially WOF preachers)

  17. Mike Allan said

    Read Jude again…read ! Peter/2 Peter…it’s ALL there…….why and how do immature beleivers get sucked into the vortex of TV and radio WOF luminaries….??????….because these hucksters are really entertaining,comical,believable,charismatic,persuasive,ardent,cunning, and crafty.

    Some of them are probably nice people….no doubt……THAT is NOT the issue………….

    Stop throwing your money away………..you are being HAD………

  18. Angie said

    Hey, there are a lot of witches in the WOF movement. Do you know the story of the Azusa movement? Or what about the scripture of Simon the sorcerer in the book of Acts? There were practicing witches then and there are practicing witches now.

  19. the church system of today is babylon and religiuos; examen 1cor 14:26-40

  20. john said

    I also agree that there is manipulation involved where actual spirits come into play that and also just general manipulation as well at her church. I agree the Whore of Babylon is religious churches like most today because they are not involved in truly fighting against the excessive sins of our days. Pretty sure they are pro-war and could not care much for environmental problems. It is very obvious to me that Donald Trump got involved with Paula White’s ministry to be used of satanic forces to deceive the church even further away from the WORD. peace

  21. Angie said

    I saw a tape recently exposing Benny Hinn for the fraud that he is. He told the crowd that he wanted his heaven right here on this earth. He doesn’t want to be broke. He sounded like Rev Ike with his pie in the sky statement. Didn’t Jesus ask how hard it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? He said it is like a camel trying to go through an eye of a needle. It looks and sounds like Benny Hinn has already received his reward and salvation on earth. He also admitted on another tape that his ministry is part ministry and part show business.

  22. tolayemi said

    it is alarming the state of the america church.what should have a been a kingdom model is not a worldly distraction and generational poison not only to church of God else where but even to the unsaved world.what devillish civilization are we imbibbing?we cannot be more civilised than our own(God’s own)biblica Jesus Christ.i write from other part of the world and I say ‘thank God Jesus is not from USA else u would have made him an object of manipulation’.repent now else worse than sodom,chorazin,babylon,etc would rock you.

  23. @13, if you’re still reading. You used that name for yourself (JesusIsARepublican) as some sort of joke, or are you trying to seriously claim Jesus as Republican in ANY sense of the term?

    I mean are you REALLY trying to classify Christ under a structure of man? Anything other than LORD misses the mark.

  24. Charles D. said

    Good catch! Watcg as well as pray.

  25. lynda said

    to the person that has this website, first thing is that the bible tells you to put no trust in no man because man will deceived you. also we are to follow christ teaching, and pray to him for guide and leader ship, in the bible it saids that Jesus has send us a comforter,which is the Holy GhOST AND HW EILL LEAD YOU INTO ALL TRUTH, SO IF WE PRAY TO THE FATHER HE WILL LETS US KNOW WHEN WE ARE RIGHT OR IF WE ARE WRONG

  26. Proof said

    All I can say is if all of us “professing christians” were actually converted and followign the word – the world as a whole would not be in the state it is. I fear that when I stand at judgement, what will i have to say for myself.I think a lot of people dont think that far -its all about money and happiness here adn now without giving anything up

  27. Christ's Ambassador said

    People why are we saying these horrible things? Just calling everyone a fake and a liar by so- called exposing them. Instead of just exposing them PRAY FOR THEM! Many people don’t realize how hard it is when the spotlight on you and at times you may lose your way but, pray that they find it again. I thank GOD he not like man who will throw you away after you have done wrong and scandlaize you. People please becareful not to mess with GOD’s annointed people I would sure hate for GOD to take his wrath out on me because I touched one of his annointings.

  28. Job said

    Christ’s Ambassador:

    “People why are we saying these horrible things?”

    Because the things that we say are true.

    “Just calling everyone a fake and a liar by so- called exposing them.”

    We are not so – called exposing them. We are exposing them. I myself was following most of the false preachers that I am now exposing until I ran across a website that exposed them. It was http://sliceoflaodicea.com. You should go there.

    “Instead of just exposing them PRAY FOR THEM!”

    If I did that, then how would people know the truth?

    “Many people don’t realize how hard it is when the spotlight on you and at times you may lose your way but, pray that they find it again.”

    Give me one example of a dishonest televangelist that has found their way again. Of course you cannot, because that would mean your admitting that these people are false to begin with, which you clearly do not believe.

    “I thank GOD he not like man who will throw you away after you have done wrong and scandlaize you.”

    Everyone that does not worship Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will be cast into the lake of fire. What Bible are you reading?

    “People please becareful not to mess with GOD’s annointed people I would sure hate for GOD to take his wrath out on me because I touched one of his annointings.”

    Apostates, heretics, and blasphemers are not God’s anointed. You probably thing Ahab, Jezebel, Herod, etc. were God’s anointed, don’t you? Or the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah? Or the people that perished in the flood? Or Cain? Why are you on here claiming that God is the author of evil, wickedness, and confusion? That is what you are doing by claiming that God called these people to preach.

  29. Jeff said

    TBN a real serious threat to Christanity, just stop their fundrasing a thon today I am apalled by the sheer deceptive and sad also about the people in the audience who seem to be so without wisdom, to sit their and listen to these so called people of God rant about Money, Money and such. The Crouchs are a strange bunch, Benny Hinn is without a doubt a con and thats not judgeing thats a fact, God gives you wisdom and when you pray to God for wisdom and faith and direction in Gods time it will come. Paula White and the rest of these so called people of God better be right with the Lord, no money and fame is going to save them if they are false teachers. Sin is Sin I pray for Gods glory be with all of you and may God bless you all and please seek God in all you do and keep your walk with the Lord strong.

  30. Job said

    Jeff:

    On Saturday, I saw that they had Jamal – Harrison Bryant raising money. Amazing that they would put a guy on there whose wife is while we speak divorcing him over his impregnating another woman in an adulterous relationship to get up there and talk about how God will bless people. As a matter of fact, 3 of the people that they have had on recently were in the process of divorcing: Bryant, Paula White, and Juanita Bynum. It used to be that these people would wait until AFTER the divorces before they would feel comfortable putting them back on the air to tell people how they can receive the blessings of God, because back then everyone felt that divorces were painful and traumatic, and there would have been a sort of difficulty accepting the message of prosperity from someone who wasn’t experiencing it in their own lives. But now it shows that Christians have the same “no big deal” attitude towards divorce as Hollywood does.

  31. Kyle said

    Job,

    Are you serious when you say:

    Amazing that they would put a guy on there whose wife is while we speak divorcing him over his impregnating another woman in an adulterous relationship to get up there and talk about how God will bless people.

    If TBN can get multi-million dollar contracts to get into the Chinese and Arab markets without a problem from two of the worst govts. on the planet regarding Christianity then there is your answer. In other words TBN isn’t a Christian network. If it were they would be fought tooth and nail to get into those markets. They are an entertainment based ponzi scheme with a Cross as there backdrop. So to answer your question we should not be shocked at who they put on their circus show. They don’t represent Christ they represent the entertainment industry. It’s just that “duped” Christians are there main audience therefore the program is focused on entertaining them because that is there market base and revenue generator.

    Kyle

  32. Armett H. said

    If everyone is a fraud, who is real? You say bad about everyone of the TV preachers.

  33. Armett H. said

    if everyone is evil, who is real? You say bad stuff about all the preachers, are you perfect or real?

  34. Armett H., what is real is that you have to come to understand sound doctrine yourself, or you’ll never know what is good from bad.

    You will have an especially hard time if you’re seeking sound doctrine via your TV set. If Jesus and the Apostles were not rich men and living homeless.

    1 Corinthians 4:11 (New American Standard Bible)

    11 To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are roughly treated, and are homeless;

    Do you think they’d be rich men on TV if TV was available 2000 years ago? They didn’t have neat chariots and other things, so I think not.

    You should read your own Bible more, study it, pray the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth, pray for wisdom and if you trust without doubt, God will hear you through Jesus Christ.

  35. John Kaniecki said

    Armett,

    Hi hope you are well.

    Anybody who follows the teachings of the Bible, the Word of God is for real.

    The only way you are going to know for yourself is to study and learn. Challenge and question those things that you are taught. Jesus was questioned many times and some of his best teachings were a result of these questions. Also pray to God for wisdom.

    Not only does one have to preach the Word but they have to live the Word. If you see arrogance, impaitence, or lack of Love and compassion I wouldn’t listen to a teacher like that.

    This blog attacks so called television ‘ministers’ who preach the Word. The reason that is done is because these ‘ministers’ have more interest in making a buck than they have to following God.

    I am a member of the Church of Christ but in all honesty I cannot recommend that you attend one. The reason is that it varies greatly throughout the country. If you told me where you lived I would look into the Church of Christ and then see if I could reccomend it.

    My email is jjjkkk60@yahoo.com

    Love,

    John

  36. Marianne said

    In reference to the Hinn theory by IC, I have also been in Hinn meetings. There was only one time when the sound went up. There were many other times, when it was very quiet, so the lack of noise producing the same result would have to be explained.

  37. The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (1 of 8 )
    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (2 of 8 )
    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (3 of 8 )
    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (4 of 8 )
    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (5 of 8 )
    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (6 of 8 )
    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn (7 of 8 )
    Part 8 of that series never seemed to work.

  38. Benny Hinn, Lying Mesmerist. More on the “Slain in the Spirit” Trick.

    Benny Hinn Trying to Sell God. Night 2 of the November 2007 TBN Pimp-a-thon!

    The Jewish Day of Atonement is OBSOLETE. The Lord Jesus Christ Reigns! (Pimp Benny hires pimp Steve Munsey to fleece for him, from Israel.)

    The Religious Industry and Muslims United, Oh My! (The video was removed and Benny removed his link, but it all happened as noted in the post.)

    Benny Hinn, You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide! (Video)

    Let Us Reason Ministries: slain in the Spirit

    Slain in the Spirit or Mental Manipulation? It’s Mind Tricks Folks!

    Must see video:
    Signs And Wonders Movment Exposed – 1

    Signs And Wonders Movment Exposed – 2

  39. Marianne said

    I appreciate the large volume of info. many of these were on TV, which I saw….I will look at them, which may be reviews for me..each video is 30 minutes.so this will take a long time…

    I am still on the first video…I recognized a medical doctor I know, Dr, Colbert, bringing up someone reporting a healing, while the commentator expressed doubts.

    so just a preliminary comment…

    Hinn does not claim to be the healer, only that God heals…he has never promised that everyone who comes will be healed. So he is right about this. I have seen some go home disappointed. Others went home happy.

    God really can heal someone. He will not penalize faithful people for a minister who is messing up.

    The issue is the sovereignty of God, not Hinn’s authority. some people get healed, some don’t. it is no one’s decision but God’s, and there is no way to predict who will get healed and who won’t. So the cameras cannot predict either.

    I can also say that if you have a camera pointed straight at a person who is struggling with her possible healing, or lack of healing, and her faith, it will have a negative effect on that person. People will feel self conscious and closed to anything.

    Faith is a big issue too. Some people come expecting a healing from Hinn instead of God, others are truly faithful, and are either healed or not healed, and others have no faith at all, and are just coming to see what happens, or to prove that nothing will happen.

    After being in the meetings myself, I can say that there is usually a certain % of those who come that say they feel better, or have been healed. People interview them, including sometimes a MD, before bringing them up on the stage. Only credible people are picked. People who seem to be disillusioned or faking it are not picked.

    Hinn just takes people’s word for whether they were healed or not. He is not going to tell anyone who comes up that they are lying, or he does not believe them That would be embarrassing.

    True, there is no elaborate system for keeping up with all these people. Considering all the controversy, it would seem wise to do this, for at least a certain amount of time, until good documentation is gotten.

    If he tells people in wheelchairs to try to get up in faith, the camera may be intentionally on the one who can’t do it, but there will another one who actually gets up and moves around. I have seen people get out of wheelchairs and walk. I also had a personal friend who had a back injury that we brought in on a stretcher. I knew her painful condition beforehand. She was healed during a meeting.

    Sometimes it is necessary to separate out different issues going on at the same time. What God may do or not do may have nothing to do with Hinn or anyone. Hinn could be saying things that are wrong, and God will heal anyhow. Hinn could do everything right, and God will still not heal someone.

    People are also influenced by those around them. Those feeling encouraged will sense a more positive experience, those feeling self conscious will freeze. If I was that lady in the wheelchair the camera was on, I would not have been able to do respond to anything, because I would feel like a freak show.

    as for the “slain” responses, I did not see any quiet artificial methods for having them fall. He is not pushing them down. I have been close enough to see that, and I have talked to those who were up there. They said it was like a feather brushed them backwards. Some said it was like electricity. I just repeat their testimony.

    as for the money issues, I am on the same page as you are. I do not agree with all this luxury living. Jesus never collected money like that.

    for a real, or a fake, minister to be “successful,” it takes the cooperation of both the minister and the crowd. In Hinn’s meetings, the crowd is very supportive. The “it takes 2 to tango” concept is in force here.

    So if there are complaints about how things went, we would also have to also complain about people faking a healing to get on TV, or making up a testimony, or coming to a meeting with a bad attitude. Or some things might be Hinn’s fault. Some may be due to the staff. some may be due to the crowds’ attitude or behavior.

    No one is forced to give anything. I have seen many one dollar bills in those buckets. The big givers sit up front in the first 5 rows.

  40. Marianne said

    IC,

    do you know there are sex videos as options after watching the mesmer Hinn video.? :!:

  41. Job said

    Marianne:

    I am just curious … what is your opinion of Benny Hinn?

  42. For Job and others who want to know the truth, including the information that should be reviewed in full here and here. (I’ve already informed some folks my time and effort reasoning with them completed a while back. So they will not be offered any response no matter how many questions they ask of me.)

    ROMANCING THE NECROMANCER

    Pt.2 Benny Hinn’s Romance with Necromancy

    Matthew 24:24 (New American Standard Bible) (emphasis added)

    24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

    THE ANOINTING OF BENNY HINN – A warning from a former full time member of Benny Hinn’s group.

    Lord help the elect grow in knowledge of the truth.

  43. Marianne said

    IC

    I know you have spent a lot of time putting all your material together. So I respect your efforts and hard work. I am just uncommitted on certain final conclusions. Being uncommitted does not mean I disagree with you. It just means I may not state a final conclusion on some issues, even if I have one. But I will look at all of your material that you offered. It takes time.

    Thank you and God bless you
    marianne

    marianne

  44. Marianne said

    IC

    I looked at the THE ANOINTING OF BENNY HINN video. The man was just someone that went to the Hinn church. He did not say how long. He had no facts about Hinn. He just talked about mesmerism, instead of specifics that would apply to Hinn. There was nothing to back up what he said. If he believed Hinn mesmerized people, he did not prove it. If he showed Hinn in the middle of mesmerizing someone, and the hypnotic spell that could be verified by testing, then that would be different. AS a scientist, I look for strong proof, rather than subjective remarks. Maybe there is a better video that establishes this assumption as fact.

    marianne

  45. Marianne said

    a general comment to my approach at viewing things. I am a scientist who has a very logical method of looking at things. AS a Christian, I want to be always fair.

    there can be a correct conclusion, but the evidence is bad, or the source is obviously biased and intentionally negative,

    or I see intentional misrepresentation in statements in the “evidence,” then I would argue the evidence.

    I may not be arguing the conclusion. I hope people can see that difference.

    I am not really say I am arguing anything.

    it is important when presenting an argument to carefully examine references cited as “proof.”

    If the “proof” makes one look unfair, or gullible, as to believe everything they see or hear, when there are obvious errors, it makes the person’s position look biased and incorrect, even if they are right.

    To present a strong, negative conclusion, one must show a very specific proof that undeniably supports that conclusion.

  46. Job said

    Marianne:

    Regarding your conversation with IC, I have to tell you, regarding Benny Hinn or any other pastor, we cannot control what they say or do, and only God knows their heart. Also, what am I but a person with a website that I am praying that God will use to accomplish His Will? So while I would like for nothing better than Paula White, Perry Stone, TD Jakes, Kenneth Copeland, Hinn, Paul Crouch, or any of these other people to come across my site and change their doctrines and ways, I am not holding my breath. Not saying that it will not happen, but that is not my motive. Also, I am not God. I do not know what these people do when the cameras are off. I do not know what experiences – for good or evil – these people have gone through and how it has affected them. I also do not know whether God has predestined them to salvation and called them to ministry.

    So all I can do is operate on what I do know and evaluate it according to scripture. So when you have a guy denying Trinity like TD Jakes and Noel Jones, a person that has been married four times like Hal Lindsay, a person claiming that apostle Paul preached prosperity like Paula White, or that Michael Jackson is operating under the Holy Spirit anointing like Tonex, or that there are 9 persons to the Trinity like Benny Hinn, or that Jesus Christ had to be born again like Kenneth Copeland and Fred Price, or a serial child molestor/fornicator/possible rapist like Earl Paulk, or a false prophet like Kim Clement and Juanita Bynum, I have to tell people that these doctrines are wrong and not to follow them. I am not concerned with the preacher themselves so much as I am the doctrines they preach, the abominations that they practice, and people thinking that those doctrines and abominations are OK … that it is OK to reject the Bible so long as you “have an anointing and are doing great things.” You have people that God has predestined to be His servants following those false shepherds, and the Body of Christ has to go find them, put the staff or yoke around their necks, pull them away from the deceivers and liars, and bring them back into the fold. And you have some of Christ’s sheep that have one, two, or three feet (recall that sheep go on all fours) in the fold but some sticking out going the wrong way, and we have to take the staff of Christ and whack on their feet and their toes until they bring them back in. You might protest: “but that is Jesus Christ’s job.” Well what does “Body of Christ” MEAN, exactly? Jesus Christ is in HEAVEN sitting on the right hand of the Father. Until He returns, Jesus Christ does His work on earth THROUGH US, not the Roman Catholic Church or any institution or building, but through the collective of believers. We are Christ’s feet, hands, vocal chords, etc. … the Bible says so. So people who keep saying “Let these false preachers be and let God get His people straight …” how is this going to happen? Do they honestly think that these people are going to have a vision or a dream or something? Or that maybe they have not already had a vision or dream or heard God’s voice audibly and are not heeding it, and need fellow Christians to come reinforce it?

    It isn’t about what these guys were preaching yesterday or what they will preach tomorrow, for Christ said in the gospels to live in the present. If they are preaching lies and living in abominations TODAY, then we need to warn Christians against following them TODAY using all methods at our disposal, and let God deal with tomorrow.

  47. Marianne said

    I do not endorse any false behavior or doctrine. I merely say that solid documentation is best used if one wants to establish a case. There are good websites that accurately report “events” to prove their case, and there are websites that are less credible.

  48. Job said

    Marianne:

    Which is why this website – and many others – makes a point of putting up videos where we catch the heresies coming out of these people’s own mouths. A lot of false preachers have actually fought back by claiming them as copyright violations. The best Christian Youtube site I ever saw, run by this fellow named Ephesians511, was shut down precisely for that reason. Other websites have had their sites closed down because some of these preachers have “their people” threaten to sue the hosting companies. Like I said, there really is a war going on out there.

  49. Marianne said

    example of less credible. :

    the man who claimed to belong to the Hinn church. who is this guy? any proof? he seems kind of mentally slow.

    then he wanders off into some discussion about mesermisim like he thinks he knows about it. He repeats an impression of what he thinks it is, based on hearsay, not good resources.

    Does he have any credentials to evaluate something he sees, and determine what is going on?

    he never makes the connection between what he thinks and the events as they are….the video was speculation only.

  50. Job, you know to the glory of God through Jesus Christ, I caught and exposed pimp Benny and like a demon hiding from the light of the truth, that his own words prove him a liar to Christians worldwide, he had all video evidence removed. Mine, along with a HOST of others (76 videos by my last count, all listed in detail) who exposed him over the YEARS. If Benny were true, he’d recognize 1 Corinthians 6 and not use laws of man against people who warn saints and admonish him. And I can turn on my TV tonight and catch him saying the same mess, I’ve caught him saying for a long time.

    Seeing Benny Hinn spew heresy is a nightly occurrence. One simply needs to know how he’s trying to blend darkness and light to see it clearly.

    I was just listening to a local pastor named Steve Atwood today on the radio. He gave a great breakdown direct from scripture of why the games of today ARE NOT what we see in scripture from Jesus and the Apostles regarding healings AND WHY. He mentioned how someone he knows took a sick friend to see Benny Hinn, in a wheelchair. Pimp Benny’s handlers WOULD NOT ALLOW THE PERSON ON STAGE. Why? Because they were genuinely sick with an ORGANIC DISEASE, not a functional disease. Benny’s crew knows the supposed healings of pimp Benny are nothing more than a placebo effect! All things I’ve noted in a prior post. And the CBC exposed how Benny and his handles operate in the documentary DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?.

    But anyone seeing details here, here and here could already see enough to know, Lord willing.

    A man claiming God is 9 persons, going to Kathryn Kuhlman’s tomb to gain spiritual power from her dead bones, pimping for money, attacking via lawyers and even claiming to place curses on saints who expose him. Anyone “healed” by him was not healed by God, Satan and his demons show plenty of signs and wonders too.

  51. Job said

    IC:

    Yes, your website is one of the ones that I was speaking of in “Which is why this website – and many others – makes a point of putting up videos where we catch the heresies coming out of these people’s own mouths.” The good thing about video: the credibility of the person showing the video is a non – issue. The only issue is the heresy that the person on the video is speaking and doing.

  52. It’s a good thing I wrote out things he said and how he twisted scripture in that post he had YouTube remove video related to. I had a suspicion he might have the video whacked. Wouldn’t want anyone to see proof he’s a lying viper you know.

    Our brother Matt Green posted some video of Benny that has not been pulled from YouTube yet. This one shows part of the same footage I had captured before that Benny had removed. And he has another – Clouds Without Water: Benny Hinn, part of Matt’s series of “Clouds Without Water” videos on his YouTube page.

    I can think of no other pimp out there who has been exposed as a fraud more than Benny Hinn.

    Benny Hinn


    “Since February of 2001, the Hinn Web site has been soliciting donations for a new orphanage to be built in this little town outside Mexico City saying it would be finished “soon.” But when we checked in Mexico, more than a year-and-a-half later, we could find no sign of any construction. But the Hinn web site kept promising that construction would be finished in, “a few short months.” That was news to the local official in charge of construction in the town, who told us the Hinn ministry hadn’t even been issued a building permit yet. What we did find, however, was this sign — curiously not in Spanish, but English — attached to a house the ministry called it’s ‘temporary orphanage,’ which appeared to be empty. The Hinn Web site continued to solicit donations”. (NBC News, Dec. 27, 2002).

    False Prophets: Benny Hinn

  53. Marianne said

    Hinn is not a necromancer. Oppenheimer was guilty of slander when he distorted a visit to a gravesite. The reason is he does not know what the anointing of God is. The anointing is just a term that means the presence of God, not the ghost of Kuhlman. So Hinn was basically saying he felt inspired by her life, and the presence of God as they visited the website.

    Obviously, Oppenheimer does not know what the presence of God is. If I visit my fathers’ gravesite and feel overwhelmed with emotion, and God’s comforting presence while I am there, that does not make me a necromancer either. Oppenheimer used to be involved with the occult, so now he interprets everything he sees this way.

    the video I mentioned is not proof of anything. It is speculation and demonstrates ignorance. The guy on there is an low IQ type. To talk about mesmerism is not proof that Hinn does it. One would have to have a qualified MD, with credentials in hynotherapy, to examine people who came off the state with Hinn to test them, and to see if they had been given a hynotic suggestion.

    I know where this mesmerism issue comes from. People fall down under a spiritual influence on the stage. Hinn says it is the Holy SPirit, critics say it is the devil

    if you think the falling issue is the devil, then have the people examined to see if the falling down caused them to be possessed. people tend to attack what they do not understand, and come up with reasons that are unsubstantiated. They do not want proof of what it is.

    Having a lot of videos of Hinn services proves nothing. everyone has seen them on TV.(on these people say they are healed, Hinn takes their word for it, they may fall to the stage. they get up and they leave.)

    If secular, unbelieving journalists come in with cameras and intentionally show people who are not healed, and ignore those who are, then this is libel on the part of journalists.

    Hinn recanted the 9 persons comment many years ago.

    • pam said

      actually I have seen benny say he got an annoitning from the grave. He also said that Jesus would appear physically on stage with him.

  54. Job said

    Marianne:

    “So Hinn was basically saying he felt inspired by her life, and the presence of God as they visited the website.”

    Give me a single scripture where this happened in the Bible. The apostles did not even go to the tomb of Jesus Christ to feel inspired and the presence of God, and that tomb was empty! You do realize that visiting the tombs of martyrs and claiming spiritual experiences based on them was the origin of the Roman Catholic practice of elevating people to sainthood and praying to them. That fact is recorded in “The Story of Christianity Volume 1″ by Justo Gonzalez.

    “Hinn recanted the 9 persons comment many years ago.”

    Why would Hinn assert such a thing in the first place? It is not in the Bible, and is completely unsupported by scripture. And Hinn presented this doctrine DECADES after he had been in the ministry.

    “I know where this mesmerism issue comes from. People fall down under a spiritual influence on the stage. Hinn says it is the Holy SPirit, critics say it is the devil”

    Since there is no evidence given in the Bible for “slain in the spirit”, his critics have the Bible behind them. His supporters have the word of a man who claims to felt the Holy Spirit at someone’s grave and that there are 9 persons to the Trinity.

    This really is just the tip of the iceberg. Hinn has said plenty of wild things over a long period of time, and he runs with the rest of the circle of heretics. He was a regent at Oral Roberts University, right here along with Creflo Dollar, Richard Roberts, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, Jesse DuPlantis, and the rest of them. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, swims like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck, lays duck eggs and creates ducklings (Zachery Tims, the false preacher in Orlando, is his trainee), and lives with the other ducks (business partner with the Crouch family) then it cannot be a goose or swan.

    There really is not much more than can be said on the matter than this: if Benny Hinn is not a false preacher, then there are no false preachers, and for that matter, there are no false religions. There is no standard by which anyone can be called false no matter what they preach, practice, or believe.

  55. Marianne said

    IC

    Name calling like you do indicates a negative spirit of your own.

    The NBC report is a lie. I personally saw the orphanage. I know the people who donated the land for it. I saw the building plans. I even made suggestions to the layout. I have seen the kids. I have seen the staff and even know one of them. I have pictures of everything. The orphanage was built on time, and the children were placed there. I have records of it all. I can even scan in a picture and send it to you. Benny Hinn, the staff, the building, and the kids.

    NBC intentionally went to a different site and took pictures of an empty lot. NBC is antichrist in spirit. It intentionally misrepresented the ministry. Hinn had to hire a lawyer to file a complaint about this libel.

    you are what you eat…..if you consume falsehood, hatred, and slander it will eventually affect your spirit. You already show this in your derogatory language, so it looks like all this has affected you.

    Take a step back. Learn to be objective, and fair to people. I am not saying there is currently nothing wrong. I am saying your obsessive approach to demonize others is hurting only you. Let the truth be the truth, and let the lies be exposed and corrected.

  56. Marianne said

    I guess visits to cemeteries should be outlawed. The loved ones might be accused of necromancy.

    the 9 persons comment was taken out of context, then distorted, it was still recanted. I see people right now making mistakes, and they claim to be nature Christians. No forgiveness, except for our own selves? maybe just crucify everyone and make ourselves feel better?

    I feel sorry for people who are dead to the spirit of God. They miss alot. they spend their days in dreary, but vengeful, complaints instead of experiencing God’s glory.

    If this time now was the time of the early church, there would be no converts now, or hardly any, because the unbelievers see nothing but spiritually dead, self righteous Christians, who show no love or righteous judgment. Signs and wonders are supposed to follow those that believe. People now quench the holy spirit on a daily basis. The power of god is gone from the church. , not even for salvation. I heard one study where they determined most converts are false converts now.

    Most Christians only have an academic impression of who the holy spirit is. They have never met him on a personal level, and been changed by his presence and power. They do not want him. They think he is the devil.

    For these dead Christians, there will never be a healing, never be a deliverance, never be a sense of peace.

    Jesus said that his followers would do even greater things than he did. But that is not for today. No one believes that.

  57. Marianne said

    now why would the apostles go to the tomb of christ?

    he was not there !

    duh…

  58. Kathryn Kuhlman, Aimee Semple McPerson and the source of Benny Hinn’s ‘Anointing’ (Part 3)

    Job, you know Kathryn Kuhlman and Aimee Semple McPerson were witches who deceived many claiming the Lord’s name into New Age occult mess. And Benny Hinn is their faithful disciple! Check out the link above when you get a minute. (Well 35 minutes for the audio, plus time to review the down loadable materials.)

    And Job, can you please tell me, who in the Bible ever tried to directly converse with the Holy Spirit, like Good Morning, Holy Spirit Toufik Benedictus Hinn? (Yea that’s pimp Benny’s real name!)

    Did the Apostles of the Lord Jesus sing for the Holy Spirit to come or go anywhere? Did they EVER praise the Holy Spirit, as we’ve seen Benny Hinn direct praises to the person of the Holy Spirit? (Job, I’ve have never found a single solitary verse in the Bible where anyone ever gave praise to anyone other than the Father and Jesus Christ. Never is praise directed to the Holy Spirit who speaks for Jesus.)

    False prophesies from the mouth of Toufik Benedictus Hinn

    The prophecies marked as being made on the 31st of December 1989 are extracts from Hinn’s ramblings one night at the Orlando Christian Center. He apparently kept the crowd there until about one a.m. when he said “What did I say in that prophecy, guys? How long did I? I prophesied for twenty minutes? I’d like to know what I said. I was totally gone”.

    God will Destroy Homosexual Community
    “The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90’s, about ’94-’95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [audience applauds] But He will not destroy it – with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed.” (Benny Hinn. Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989) Audio

    Two Moses’
    “The Lord also says that, Two of his great giants will die in the mid-90’s. They’ve held the torch of revival for the last forty years, these two. One of them has been to this church, and the other has not. One will die suddenly while asleep. And the other will die of sickness. And as both giants die, which will be in the mid-90’s, I will shake this world with a last revival. Their death will be the closing pages of this move. And the new move of God will begin, which I have promised. Remember when Moses died, Joshua arose. And when the Moses’ of this day will die–two of them still walking this earth, whose calling is that of Moses–my Joshua’s will arise. (Benny Hinn. Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989)

    Fidel Castro
    “The Spirit tells me – Fidel Castro will die – in the 90’s. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not
    succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God.” Benny Hinn.(Benny Hinn. Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989) Audio

    Woman President and World Dictator
    “The Spirit tells me that, …following the rapture–a woman president will be in the White House, and that woman president will destroy this nation, but My church will, will be gone. …A world dictator is coming on the scene. … I see a short man, whose a perfect incarnation of Satan…. This man will rule the world. The next few years you will see him. But not long after that, you will see Me.” (December 31, 1989 at the Orlando Christian Center)

    Notice how pimp Benny claimed pre-trib rapture that IS NOT IN THE BIBLE!!! He said that almost 20 years ago, talking about it would happen in a “few years”.

    Job, a handmaiden of the false prophet Toufik Benedictus Hinn is here with us! A lot has now been explained.

  59. Job, here’s an independent analysis of Benny Hinn’s scramble after being exposed by NBC News.


    Most recently he was investigated by Dateline NBC in a show that aired December 27, 2002. All of these shows showed evidence that Benny Hinn has been scaming people for their money with false healing claims that he cannot prove. He was asked on all these shows to provide medical proof of the miracles he and his follower claim to be experiencing, but to date not one shred of definitive evidence has been provided by the ministry. Hinn did provide evidence, but when it was investigated the claims turned out to be claims without medical justification.

    However, it is clear that Hinn was not moving ahead with the Mexico orphanage till Dateline came down and filmed. Then all of a sudden Hinn jumped into action and quickly laid out some foundations and brought in some kids for a photo op. Hinn also now claims that he intends to build the $30. million dollar healing center, but that God (Who told him to build it originally) now wants him to wait. He claims that everyone who donated to that project has been contacted and only one person wanted their money back.

    THE FACTS

    Hinn has not delivered on a number of promises, including his new healing center, the finishing of the orphanage in Mexico, etc. It is clear from the video that Hinn quickly started laying out foundations and brought in 9 kids for a photo op to the orphanage in Mexico so that he could say he was doing something when he had not done much of anything for a long time. But for a ministry that brings in anywhere from $100 to $150 million per year, what they are laying out for mission work and feeding children is a paltry sum. Most of their money is spent on administration, salaries, houses for staff, travel and accommodations for Hinn, Hinn’s books and materials, crusades and the bulk goes to purchasing air time for their TV programs.

    So Job, can you tell me who the Lord Jesus touched that believed He is the Christ and they FELL BACKWARDS? Didn’t he slay all of the 12 in the spirit and the 70 too? What chapter and verse? It must be in the Bible because Benny’s doing it! Jesus never did that? I tell you what, I’ll give you the 12 Apostles, which of the 12 touched a believer on Christ and they FELL BACKWARDS? OK, I tell you what Job, I’ll give you every Apostle named in scripture, who did one touch that was a believer on Jesus and they FELL BACKWARDS? Come on, Paul and Barnabas must have done it, Benny Hinn’s doing it! OK, Job, I’ll open the door more, I’ll give you every Apostle, Deacon, Evangelist and Prophet in the Bible, did any of them touch a believer in Christ and that believer FALL BACKWARDS? Perhaps Phillip knocked the Ethiopian eunuch over and “slayed him in the spirit”?

  60. Marianne said

    IC

    Your mind is a garbage dump for slander. You inhale every word of condemnation and unbelief there is. You are full of it. It is in your bloodstream.

    That was not a photo-op. Why don’t you go there for yourself and see?

    the orphanage was real, and the kids are still there.

    Kulman was not a witch. what you say is slander.

    during services, people on their own, come up and declare a healing. hinn stakes their word for it. To do the opposite, would be insulting. They do have medical doctors there a lot. one is doctor Colbert.

    some people bring medical info with them. some don’t. some are really healed, some just think they are. they do not have a medical laboratory attached to the stage. this is just not feasible. hinn forces no one to come and say they are healed, so the people you are really criticizing are the people coming forward.

    Dateline refused to acknowledge the medical evidence.

    as for timing of when any “prophecy” would be fulfilled, that is up to God.

    Since hinn’s timing of the gay community being destroyed seemed to be off, let us look at what Jesus said…

    behold I come quickly” (Rev)– that was 2000 years ago….. I guess Jesus is a false prophet….get a web page started and condemn him as a demon.!

    You hate the Holy Spirit because you do not know who he is, nor have ever experienced his power or presence. insinuating any work of the holy spirit as demonic is blasphemy. That is the unforgivable sin. Why don’t you try to be a little more careful???

  61. Job, Benny Hinn had such a supposedly solid case against NBC’s report, that HE DROPPED HIS LAWSUIT AGAINST THEM TWO DAYS AFTER FILING IT!!! NBC had never even been served papers relating to the supposed lawsuit before Benny dropped it.

    http://www.apologeticsindex%5B.%5Dorg/h01ad01-Benny-Hinn-Dateline.html

    It was nothing more than a showpiece move for his drones, but he dumped the lawsuit and NBC NEVER RETRACTED THAT STORY, THEY STAND BY IT. Of course if Benny had a case, he’d press it to show he was right.

    But his defensive pimped drones who fund his opulence probably didn’t know those details. It’s a lot easier to play defensive than to admit when a pulpit pimp conned you.

    Here’s a telling quote from that link above

    Horton feels many of those who faithfully watch TV ministers fail to exercise careful thought or spiritual discernment about what they see and hear. “A lot of people, I think, who watch Benny Hinn or watch the TV evangelists more generally, think that what they’re saying is authoritative — after all they’re on TV and they’ve written books,” the editor of The Agony of Deceit says. “And we’ve lost the capacity to think critically and to weigh people in the light of what the scriptures teach.”

    Most true and evident from the continual defenses of lying vipers we see here.

  62. Jesusman said

    1 Kings 8:10-12 10And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,
    11So that ,strong>the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.

    John 18:6
    As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

    I’m no fan of Benny Hinn, mainly because of his “little gods” doctrine, but you asked for Scripture of people falling backwards from the power of the Spirit(It doesn’t say which way the priests went down. When one is slain in the Spirit, they don’t always fall backward.), so there you have it. I’m sure you have some manmade traditional explanation ready though.

  63. Jesusman said

    1 Kings 8:10-12 10And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,
    11So that ,the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.

    John 18:6
    As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

    I’m no fan of Benny Hinn, mainly because of his “little gods” doctrine, but you asked for Scripture of people falling backwards from the power of the Spirit(It doesn’t say which way the priests went down. When one is slain in the Spirit, they don’t always fall backward.), so there you have it. I’m sure you have some manmade traditional explanation ready though.

    • pam said

      weren’t these the guys who came to arrest Christ. They were not christains per say huh? can’t really compare that to todays slain christains. just thinking out loud

  64. Marianne said

    IC

    I am not a lying viper.

    NBC never retracts anything. When you are wrong, you don’t either. They do not care.

    Hinn dropped the law suit because of the huge expense. It was way beyond their budget, and not worth all the negative gossip, and further damage it would have caused. It also takes a huge amount of time and money to go through a court case, and they would have to abandon ministry efforts to do it.

    your quotes are copy and paste jobs from gossip sites on the internet.

    I will go along with things that are truly wrong, but not things that people make up.

  65. Jimmy said

    Marianne,

    You said IC has a “negative spirit” because he called Hinn a “lying viper.” Have you not read Matthew 3 or 23 where John the Baptist and Jesus called the Pharisees “snakes” and “brood of vipers.” Would you say either of them had a “negative spirit”? Calling one what he/she is is merely speaking the truth and does not indicate a “negative spirit.” See Matthew 7:15-23

    Jimmy

  66. Jimmy said

    Job,

    Just curious, but what is your issue with Perry Stone?

  67. Job said

    Jesusman:

    You are suggesting that a person who was born and raised in Pentecostal Holiness, not two years ago was watching these people on TBN myself, has a testimony of faith healing and deliverance and other charismatic experiences, and administers a website that advocates spiritual deliverance of having a traditional manmade explanation? Hilarious.

    And Jesusman, your very scripture references help my point and injure yours. Show me evidence that there are clouds filling tabernacles, burning mountains, or the amazing wonders that God showed Old Testament Israel. These folks ought to be mighty glad that earth is no longer opening up to swallow rebellious people like Korah and people that burn strange fire before the Lord are no longer being consumed as were the sons of Aaron, etc. of the sort that you mention. Things like that have never happened at the charismatic services that I attended FOR MOST OF MY LIFE, nor have I seen them on Christian television WHICH I USED TO WATCH DAILY. Have they happened in your services? If so, do you have any videos of it uploaded to Youtube? Godtube?

    And John 18:6? What on earth does THE UNBELIEVERS that were coming to arrest Jesus Christ falling down have to do with BELIEVERS falling down under the power of the Holy Spirit when hands are being laid on them or when they feel it move?

    You know, Jesusman, when I was typing what you responded to, I was actually afraid that someone was going to bring up something LEGITIMATE to counter my words, something like the Philip the evangelist being overcome with the Holy Spirit gift of joy and carried away (harpazo, the same Greek word that is used to refer to THE RAPTURE in other contexts) when he baptized the Ethiopian eunuch. Now THAT would have been a challenge, and at such a challenge I would have had little recourse but to admit that for all I know, Philip the evangelist might have wound up flat on his back, overcome by the joy. It is well within the realm of possibility, and scripture does not preclude it. And if the church at Corinth had in it a ton of people who had the same Holy Spirit gift of joy that caused them to revel in the glory of the Lord and fall down, even at times lose consciousness … who am I to say that it was not the case? But you know what, Jesusman? Even if that had been the case, the apostle Paul still told them that it was their responsibility to control their behavior, to exercise their gifts in a fashion that did not cause the confusion and disorder that is associated with these “slain in the spirit” churches, including the ones that I frequently attended and often see on Christian television. The Bible makes it clear that even when one is raptured away in the Holy Spirit during church services, that person is still in control of his behavior and has the responsibility of controlling it, instead of acting as if a Holy Spirit gift is the equivalent of some PCP LSD heroin trip of a drug addict.

    Now that was the response that I was prepared to give to you or anyone else, a response that would have conceded many points against the position that I took. But since you failed to bring up Philip the evangelist but instead brought up two verses used completely out of context, you revealed something about the way you view and wield scripture.

  68. Marianne said

    Jimmy

    IC said in 61..
    ” Most true and evident from the continual defenses of lying vipers we see here.”
    he is calling me the viper….I respond in 64
    about calling anyone a viper
    IC is not Jesus
    slander is not truth
    I support exposing lies, but I do not support lying about others, or reproducing gossip and inappropriate claims from the internet

    to everyone
    I personally do not care which way someone falls if God touches them, if that is the case. That is God’s business

    Since people want to assign everything they see to the devil, the Holy Spirit has not reason to stay here any longer.

  69. Job said

    Jimmy:

    Perry Stone preaches prosperity/Word of Faith and associates with some of the most notorious false preachers.

    Marianne:

    I most certainly do not assign my being healed of asthma and kidney disease, my being delivered from addiction to pornography, my spiritual deliverance, the dreams and visions that I have had concerning future events, and the words from the Lord that I have received to Satan. I also have no delusions that I alone of all the people that are living today have been so blessed by God’s grace to receive such experiences.

    All I do is line people’s doctrines and works up with the Bible. That is really all we can do. We cannot judge by doctrines alone because a lot of people do not practice what they preach. We cannot judge by works alone because a lot of people exhibit excellent works but preach false doctrines, and that includes people from false religions who not only lead exemplary lives of personal morality and religious devotion, but also work miracles. Take this for instance: an man from India converted from Hinduism to Christianity. A charismatic Christian approached him asking him to come visit his church, but the Indian declined, stating that he was happy with his home church. Then the charismatic stated “You need to come see people speaking in tongues!” to which the Indian replied “If I wanted to see people speaking in tongues I would have remained a Hindu, for I saw people speaking in tongues during Hindu services all the time!” That anecdote was contained in “19 Gifts of the Spirit: Which Do You Have? Are You Using Them” by Leslie Flynn. Also, missionaries have told many tales of having to deal with the medicine men, witch doctors, shamans, etc. of the local religions. Just like the priests of Egypt in the Bible, those people actually did work wonders, including healing people, and in order to win those people to Christ they often had to work greater miracles than the people practicing false religions. So that is why we cannot simply go by religious devotion, acts of compassion/mercy/service to the poor, and wonders. Doctrine matters. A person who traffics in false doctrine is a false preacher, period.

    Consider the converse angle. Consider the man that runs the humble little church on the street corner where none of the sign gifts are often manifested: the fellow cannot fill stadiums during revivals with powerful oratory, does not speak in tongues/prophecy/interpret, and though some healings, spiritual deliverances, and other miracles happen, he has no special “gift” that would cause people from miles around to come to his services to be healed … it just happens from time to time when people pray, and the preacher need not even be present or the people do not even need to be in church for it to happen! Yet the man preaches straight and strictly from the Bible and runs his church according to it. Is that man a false preacher? Yes, I have encountered PLENTY of charismatics who have claimed that such a pastor “has no anointing or spiritual power” since his church wasn’t being blessed with prosperity, and the Holy Spirit was not moving and knocking people out during his services. They call such pastors, churches, congregations “dead dry bones that need the new wine of the Holy Spirit” and frequently ask its members to “come and join a real church.”

    You can attend that man’s church and never hear him claim that there were 9 persons in the Trinity.
    You can attend that man’s church and never hear him claim that Jesus Christ is coming back in a specific year or make any other prophecies that are allegedly from the Lord that never come true.
    That preacher would never associate with any other known scandal – ridden liars, cheats, thieves, or people that claim abominable heresies like Jesus Christ had to be born again.
    That preacher would never claim that God will bless them based on their giving or curse them for their refusing to give. And so on.

    There are churches out there like that. Why do not people attend them, and advocate preachers like that? Why expend such effort to people that have been preaching wrong things and doing bad things on such a severe scale for so long? I say again, there is NO REASON to defend the things that these people are doing. By contrast, there is EVERY REASON to criticize the things that these people are doing: so that people who legitimately do not know that these doctrines and practices are false will know better. I didn’t know that 1 Timothy 6 specifically rejected the prosperity doctrine until I heard a radio preacher say so. When did he say so? In a talk specifically rejecting the prosperity doctrine and the people that preach it. I did not know that Fred Price was preaching that Jesus Christ was born again at his baptism, a classic heresy rejected in the 3rd century. How did I find out? By that same radio preacher. Why did he mention it? He was criticizing Price as a very gifted but false heretical preacher at the time. Do you know that I was watching and financially supporting Fred Price at the time? I was waiting for my next paycheck so that I could send off for a sermon series that his son was promoting.

    Finally, I do not assign the salvation that I received by virtue of listening to the message of grace as preached by a Word of Faith minister to Satan, Marianne. I do, however, assign the Word of Faith doctrine that the fellow preaches to Satan.

  70. Marianne said

    Issues

    1. Both people on the internet and people on this site and others

    cannot tell the difference between
    what God is doing
    what man is doing
    what the devil is doing

    they think in EVERY situation, it is ALWAYS the devil that is at work.

    2. dead is not = humble and quiet
    dead = rejection of the working of the Holy Spirit, relying on personal opinion, rather than seeking God to show truth, spiritual coldness, exalting their own disbelief in anything as divine truth, rather than properly investigating to find out what is true and what isn’t

  71. Job said

    Marianne:

    1. That is very true. And my main goal is to help people to discern between the works of God, the works of man, and the works of evil spirits by evaluating these works and the people that perform them by the Bible. See, this is the thing to remember. Jesus Christ Himself stated in the gospel that there were people who were going to do mighty things in His Name, healings and casting out demons and evangelizing, that were going to be rejected by Him on judgment day because they were not completely obedient. He called those people goats and not sheep. So the debate is not whether a goat can heal, cast out devils, or evangelize using the Name of Jesus Christ, because the Bible itself says that it is possible. What was Balaam? A goat. He was a prophet who had the ability to bless and curse and gave one of the most important prophecies of Jesus Christ. But he was still a goat! So what I am exhorting people is to quit following the goats on account of their great works, and start following sheep! If you are following a goat, then you are in danger of getting the same reward as the goat along with the goat. But if you are following a sheep, you are not in that peril.

    2. I am not guilty of “relying on personal opinion, rather than seeking God to show truth, spiritual coldness, exalting their own disbelief in anything as divine truth, rather than properly investigating to find out what is true and what isn’t.” Quite the contrary, I spent many an hour watching these very people on television, and attending the churches of local versions of these people, including the very church that I grew up in. I have also spent many an hour investigating their doctrines directly in the Bible and also in books and other media. I have a video of Paula White claiming that apostle Paul preached prosperity right on this website. I have a video of Kenneth Copeland claiming that Jesus Christ was born again right on this website. I had a video of Paul Crouch ranting that people who called Kenneth Copeland a false preacher were accursed from God, reprobate, beyond redemption, and on their way to the lake of fire on this website, but the creator of it removed it because of the opposition that he was receiving. I have a link on this website that directs you to a photo of the musclebound black man that Paul Crouch got drunk and had sex with one time, and it also shows the court documents showing that this fellow sued Crouch and he paid him off. I have a link that directs you to court papers detailing the adultery and out of wedlock children fathered by Jamal – Harrison Bryant. I have a video on here where John Hagee claims that Jesus Christ did not come to be the Messiah. I have a link to a transcript where Pat Robertson tells a CBS executive that Jews can renounce Jesus Christ and still enter heaven. I have links where TD Jakes and various other preachers advocate engaging in practices from eastern religions. I could go on (and on and on and on) but you get my drift.

    And this is just by virtue of my spending ONLY A SMALL PART OF MY TIME documenting the errors of false preachers. Basically, unless it is newsworthy or something that someone sends me and asks me to investigate and post, I only compile enough evidence to make an ironclad case that a certain preacher has been preaching falsehoods and conducting his ministry in a manner opposed to the Bible for a long time, and move on. But I honestly could easily have THOUSANDS of videos, transcripts, court documents, etc. , DOZENS or even HUNDREDS of things on EVERY SINGLE PREACHER THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED AS FALSE on this website if I so wanted to. 99% of the nonsense that I encounter involving preachers I ignore, because it is redundant to what I already have on here or is already available elsewhere. So claiming that I personally have not properly investigated to find out what is true and what isn’t is a false allegation, especially regarding the people that I used to regularly see on television.

    It is our job, Marianne. We all have to do it. We are our brother’s keeper in the Body of Christ. We have a responsibility before God to each other. I do this not out of personal feelings of dislike or betrayal against these ministers – although there are clearly some sites and Youtube pages of those who ARE motivated by such things – but because of a conviction that God desires His children to contend for the faith and to help people that have been deceived.

  72. Jimmy said

    Job,
    Thank you for responding. I had never heard Perry Stone preach prosperity/WOF, but had known that he associates with some of them (Paula White, Rod Parsley, TL Lowery), even having them on his show. That did trouble me, but since I had never heard him say anything like that I kinda overlooked it. I guess I hoped he was different from some of the people he associates with. But the reason I asked what your issue is with him is because I watch Perry Stone fairly regularly and I actually like his teachings on pretty much anything Jewish/Hebrew/prophecy-related, but didn’t know he taught WOF. But, in my opinion, he seems to actually study the Bible more than some of the others, at least in regard to the above-mentioned topics. Just my opinion.
    Jimmy

  73. In a comment above the verse 1 Kings 8:10-12 was asserted as possibly support for people who beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ FALLING BACKWARD. A through review of scripture shows all who obeyed the commandments of God in TRUTH FELL ON THEIR FACES, NEVER BACKWARD. Only heathens fell backwards in the presence of the Lord.

    1 Kings 18:39 (New American Standard Bible)

    39 When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The LORD, He is God; the LORD, He is God.”

    Citing a verse that does not imply falling backwards is a terrible effort to support the “slain the spirit” lying garbage we see going on today. (But what would we expect from a Oneness heresy proponent!)

    John 18:6 was also cited and proves my point. (As you said Job and I was planning to say even if you had not already said it, the moment I saw that verse noted.) Those who went backward were seeking to take Christ to crusifixtion. They did NOT follow Christ in Truth. That being the Christ who is NOT the Father and NOT the Holy Spirit, but the 2nd person of the Trinity.

    Onenessman is not going to be able to get many things correct till he knows who God really is, if the Lord wills.

    I’m sure most or none of you have fully reviewed ALL that is offered freely at this comment and this one and this one. Please check it ALL out. Because it all details how Benny Hinn is a lying viper.

    Let’s see some more of the false prophesies of ALPHA PULPIT VIPER VOMIT EATING AND SPEWING PIMP DOG BENNY HINN.

    Canada
    Canada will be visited with a mighty revival that will start in the west coast of British Columbia. It will sweep across the west. It will sweep across even Alaska, and will come east. But the great move of God that I have planned for America will not begin on the west coast, but on the east coast. It will break-loose in the next three years and sweep across the west. (Benny Hinn. Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989)

    I think Canada missed the memo! Almost 20 years have past and what he said would occur in 3 still never happened.

    Israel Will Sign Treaty With Hafez Al-Assad
    On the April 2nd TBN program, Benny Hinn claimed that God was about to make a major move to anoint the people of God, as soon as Israel signed a treaty with the ailing Hafez Al-Assad of Syria, which he said would likely be within the next year. This would signal the impending large scale shift of financial wealth from the wicked to those obedient to God. But, in order to benefit from this unprecedented supernatural
    anointing, you had to be obedient to God and sow your financial seed (to TBN) right then and there. Apparently God did not know that Assad was going to die on June 10th 2000. (Trinity Broadcasting Network Spring 2000 fundraising Praise-A-Thon) Audio

    The Word of God says the following:

    Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (New American Standard Bible)

    20 ‘But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’

    21 “You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’

    22 “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

    Benny better repent or he WILL DIE.

    No saint in their right mind should have anything to do with a FALSE PROPHET.

    And beware those who are shown a false prophet and defend them despite the truth given. God’s Word is CLEAR regarding those who continually defend these vipers Amos 3:3 and Luke 6:39.

  74. In the comment above, the 2nd sentence uses the word “through” and should be “thorough”.

  75. Marianne said

    my comments were not really about you..I was referring to the “documentation” that IC provides.

    1. I do not follow goats…..but sheep are allowed to heal and cast out devils…..but as you said, the humble guy in the small church does not do this, most likely because he believes it is of the occult. Thus the spirit is quenched there. Do you know any perfect pastors/ministers that heal and cast out devils? I don’t. The ones who claim they are so devoted to God’s word are the same ones that do not believe in the power of god. They are powerless because of unbelief. Unbelief is a sin too, you know.

    2. I watched 2 one hour videos on IC’s website. Everyone seemed to fall for the contents. Several, very erudite,(all christian?) men with english accents, who did not even state thier qualificaitons, gave inappropriate comparisons between the occult and the “signs and wonders” (interpretation has to vary as to the specifics). I do not even know if they are saved, because they never displayed the love of god, genuine concern for others and the truth. They presented themselves as intellectuals, posing in front of their bookshelves. Their comparisons were grossly inappropriate and lacked righteous judgment. For example, they stated that worship music is used as an occult technique to entrance believers, and make them open to the devil. They implied that worshipers cannot experience the presence of god during worship. They made a comparison to rock music, saying that both effect the emotions. Therefore, since the effect of rock music is demonic, the effect of worship music is the same. I reject this outrageous conclusion.

    Another man, with no proof at all, claimed that no minister EVER gave medical documentation for a healing. We are supposed to take his word for it.

    Everything one see is a “technique” because to the natural eye, it appears similar to some voodo they have seen.

    This is like saying since an apple is round, and is a fruit, an orange is round, and is a fruit, then an apple must be an orange. This irrationality drives a logical person crazy. These kind of people offend the dignity of the holy spirit, and should be stopped. They are worse than the people they criticize.

    This is the kind of garbage IC puts on his website.

    this is the conclusion that is repeated constantly in these negative links and videos:

    the holy spirit is not in any worship service
    everything is the work of the devil, all supernatural events are due to the devil.

    but by saying this, you have destroyed the work of the holy spirit.

    this “documentation” is false, and should not be honored.

  76. Job said

    Marianne:

    “Do you know any perfect pastors/ministers that heal and cast out devils? I don’t.”
    Perfect people do not exist (save Christ) but hearts that desire to resist rebellion do.

    “The ones who claim they are so devoted to God’s word are the same ones that do not believe in the power of god. They are powerless because of unbelief. Unbelief is a sin too, you know.”

    I was not speaking of cessationists. I believe that cessationism is a false doctrine, and I stated so quite frequently when I first started this website last year. I agree that not only pastors but that every Christian has the power to cast out devils. Certain other things, however, require gifts of the Holy Spirit.

    And regarding your exchange with Independent Conservative, I will not get involved other than to say that I am unaware of any doctrine that teaches that the works of the Holy Spirit can be destroyed. I thought the opposite was the case. Do you have a scripture reference handy for me?

  77. Marianne said

    vocabulary of a true christian…
    “ALPHA PULPIT VIPER VOMIT EATING AND SPEWING PIMP DOG BENNY HINN.”

    IC is preoccupied with which way someone has to fall down….why doesn’t he just let God decide?

    there are times Hinn gives his personal opinion, speaking as only a man…he obviously would be fallible at times…example : look at IC, he makes lots of mistakes.

    I predict things sometimes too, based on how the facts are at the time. I am not always right either. But I never claimed to be a prophet. The weather man is not 100% as well.

    before IC demands that Hinn repent, he should remove the beam out of his own eye, and repent of the lie he repeated about Hinn’s orphanage in Mexico. He madly copies and pastes from the internet without checking the validity of the claims made.

  78. Marianne said

    Job,

    I believe, like you, that the holy spirit is still at work in this world.

    I also believe that the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy. The enemy has developed a counterfeit to deceive people – so yes – I agree that can happen. His goal is to have everyone look at his works, and reject the works of the holy spirit. Some of the videos I have seen confirm this attempt to ursurp the work of the holy spirit, by declaring him the devil.

    BUT

    This does not mean the holy spirit has stopped working. If he had, there would be no born again experiences, and all the life in the body of Christ would be expired.

    that is my point..

    when looking at “signs and wonders,” make a distinction between

    what is God
    what is man
    what really is the devil

    many are just assuming everything they see is the devil, and they are missing a blessing from god. people need to exercise wisdom, discernment, and righteous judgment.
    the work of god.

    there are many righteous men who could serve God in signs and wonders, but they are afraid it is of the devil, so they withdraw, and do not properly place their trust in God to guide them. the result is that blessings are missed.

  79. Marianne said

    job,

    did you get the picture i sent you by email?

  80. Job, there is no “exchange” taking place between me and the student of the false prophet Toufik Benedictus Hinn (aka Benny Hinn). I am posting for those who desire the truth, not those who continue in error.

    I told the deluded defender of Hinn I would speak to her NO MORE a while back and have not addressed her since and will not, because she remains severely deluded and unable to handle the truth. I’ve told her already.


    Marianne, you continually deny truth written in the Word of God and discussion with you is becoming rather ridiculous. I will leave you to your ungodly eisegesis and your horrific translations of Biblical Greek. You’re even claiming elders had widows and everyone paying “tithes”. Again displaying your lack of knowledge of church history and your wrongful dividing of scripture. You’re a hypocrite at best, attempting to exercise liberties for women that are NOT in scripture, while seeking to deny liberties to elders that were ordained to them by the Lord.

    I will waste no more keystrokes with you. May the Lord help you.

    All “exchange” with her ended there.

    Anyone can see, looking at the false prophesies noted here, never did the claimed super spreading “revival” from Canada occur AND Hafez Al-Assad is DEAD with no agreement signed with Israel, audio from Hinn’s own mouth provided, I didn’t need to post all the other evidence I’ve already presented. He’s a false prophet and his followers are all deluded.

  81. Marianne said

    Job

    re:
    “works of the holy spirit be destroyed” – verse?

    of course he is too powerful for us to destroy him and his works

    but think how destructive evil is in general, what the effect is if people reject the help of the holy spirit and limit what he can do through unbelief. the holy spirit is a gentleman. he will not push where he is not wanted. so, in this sense, his works are destroyed because we have quenched him.

  82. Marianne said

    IC
    I never said the early elders made widows paid tithes. They actually were righteous.

    But today, I see that all the time. Older women on social security, or people on disability, all required to pay tithes, or they cannot have membership in a church.

    I can only take one “reference” at a time to reply to your complaints. I addressed several videos that lacked credibility.

    I am just looking at your proofs, which are questionable. If you had to go to court to prove your case, and I was the other attorney, I could have your case thrown out of court for lack of evidence. “Hearsay” and “personal opinion” videos by unqualified people, make false comparisons, or people who have an obvious bias, are not credible sources.

    You may, or may not, be right, or partially right. Or you could be totally wrong.

  83. Benny Hinn tries to block disclosure of financial secrets

    Benny Hinn Set Prophetic Dates in 2003 And Both Have Failed!

    More bogus prophesy from Benny Hinn: The Dead Resurrected By TVs Tuned To TBN!

    False Prophet Alert! Benny Hinn Prophesies That God’s Glory Will Visibly Appear as Fire!

    Pimp Benny is trying to hard to hide this information, he’s tried to have it and other details that only show what he LIED about removed via legal force Benny Hinn Threatens Lawsuit.

    Beware those who are shown a false prophet and defend them despite the truth given. God’s Word is CLEAR regarding those who continually defend these vipers Amos 3:3 and Luke 6:39.

    (And you might want to save a copy of that video evidence [at link #2, 3 and 4 above] to your computers folks. Benny has been trying to have it removed.)

  84. Marianne said

    regarding the
    “Benny Hinn, You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide! (Video)”

    Benny just repeats what Ruth Heflin told him – Jesus would appear on the stage. He did not originate this comment, but he is willing to believe this in this video. I remember when she said that. But she meant a vision of the Lord (physical in the sense that you would see the vision, as if it was physical), not a flesh and blood appearance. Sometimes, people cannot explain themselves very well.

    There have been a few reports where people state they have seen such vision. But I know nothing about these people, and I have not seen a vision on a stage myself. But I do not watch much, and I think the witnesses were actually attendants of one of the meetings.

    I think one problem is that people report positive experiences, but there is no one objective enough to record and verify them, and do follow ups.

  85. Marianne said

    regarding the:
    “False Prophet Alert! Benny Hinn Prophesies That God’s Glory Will Visibly Appear as Fire!”

    I read the quote. he says….”I have seen in my visions and dreams lately, where a fire appears over people, like, like a massive circle of fire over people as they worship God.”

    what kind of things do you see in your own dreams?

    Dreams reflect our subconscious. our thoughts, aspirations and fears. Anything can happen in a dream. Take it for what it is.

  86. Oh Job, I think the Benny Hinn defender named Marianne is playing both sides.

    Here she’s running cover for his false prophesies, running cover for most everything presented against him HERE, but she admits he’s false elsewhere while trying to softly smooth over the FACT he’s a FALSE PROPHET, LIAR and VIPER.

    On Blog obadiah1317.wordpress.com – Marianne, on May 3rd, 2008 at 16:24 Said:

    I think Benny Hinn has learned he is not a prophet. While I do agree that god will destroy the homosexual community eventually, like all rebellious people, there is no way to tell exactly when it will happen.

    However, I do feel ( ie , I do not predict or prophesy, since I am not a prophet) that this will happen sometime in the next decade or two. It is just because I feel the Lord is coming, and so he would then establish righteousness when he comes.

    It is possible that Hinn was like many, and thought the Lords’ return was imminent around the year 2000 ( the Y2K phenomenon.) ,so he predicted the gays would be destroyed at at time.

    So she KNOWS he’s a false prophet. Yet instead of running away from him here in this thread, she’s sticking up to cover for the false prophet!

    Now in another comment there, she admits Steve Munsey is off in his doctrine.

    Munsey has not figured it out yet, that it is a spiritual kingdom, it is not of this world. It will only be a physical reality when Jesus returns, and he will be in charge, so things will go well.

    the sow and reap thing..

    jesus sowed real seed into the ground for his parable ,,that is because he knew seed grows.

    jesus did not sow coins into the dirt because money does not grow.

    And in a comment on another blog she mentions Benny Hinn as one of the FALLEN AWAY and mentions the ties to Steve Munsey.

    This all saddens me. I remember Benny Hinn from many years ago before all this money stuff. He was a good teacher, and God did heal people in his services. Now, with the influence of Mike Murdock, Steve Munsey, Oral Roberts (who happens to be his neighbor), and other prosperity preachers, Benny has fallen in with them.

    God said that there would be a great falling away in the last days, and this must be it. This is really hurting the witness for Christ, and I have to contend with unbelievers now who mock God because of this corruption.

    I really feel there should be an open protest of this stuff so that at least the media will know that the rest of us do not support this money heresy. Not everyone is out for money. I’m not. Any information I offer is free. I spend my own money helping people in my area. I ask for nothing but the opportunity to show the love of God to the lost.

    Maybe we can go on Larry King or some show and make an issue of this.

    marianne

    Remember who Benny was running a fake day of atonement scam with recently, making a MOCKERY of the sacrifice of Christ, by claiming a “Day of Atonement” should be observed and MONEY GIVEN: Benny Hinn Ministries, Kathryn Kulhman and the Atonement That just occurred September of last year and was covered here on this blog!

    And look at the first comment under this post that is AGAINST BENNY HINN!

    Like I said beware those who are shown a false prophet and defend them despite the truth given. God’s Word is CLEAR regarding those who continually defend these vipers Amos 3:3 and Luke 6:39.

    Benny Hinn is a false prophet, lying viper and you can check my comments all over the Internet, I’ve never double-talked on the issue. Benny makes a mockery of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and some still attempt to run cover for him here in this thread.

    Well Job, seeing Marianne’s own comments we know the following:
    - Benny Hinn is a false prophet.
    – Benny Hinn is a money pimp.
    – Benny Hinn is part of those who have FALLEN AWAY!

  87. See Marianne initially attempt to defend Pimp Benny Hinn in this thread on another blog Benny Hinn causes death from his antics on stage

    That first comment there by Marianne was just despicable. At least she tried to clean it up once someone came against her assertion. And in that thread, she even mentions she’s seen a “demon”…
    And advises someone “cover yourself daily with the blood of jesus”. Where did an Apostle of the Lord Jesus say post salvation we seek to have re-coverings in the Blood of Jesus for protection from a demon? This is mess you don’t find in the Bible.

    Now wonder she keeps running cover for false prophet Toufik Benedictus Hinn.

  88. Who can ever forget this blasphemy from the mouth of Toufik Benedictus Hinn (aka Benny Hinn).

    HINN’S TEACHINGS: Benny has taught the Egyptians were not drowned in the Red Sea but were crushed by falling ice (Praise The Lord Show 7/14/94) “God’s original plan is that the woman was to bring forth children out of her side” (Our Position in Christ#5, 1990) (Adam) “was the first Superman that really ever lived…he used to fly.…he flew to space.—with one thought he would be on the moon. ” (Benny Hinn, Praise the Lord TBN 12/26/91) On man he has taught “Within me is a God-man…The Spirit man within me is a God-man…I’m a God-man.”16) “Are you a child of God? Then you are divine!…Then you’re not human.”17) “When you say I am a Christian, you are saying ‘I am messiah in Hebrew.‘I am a little messiah walking earth.”18) “You know what your last name is? Jehovah! So I’m Benny Jehovah!”19) “Though we are not Almighty God Himself, nevertheless, we are now divine.” (Benny Hinn, TBN, 12/1/90) Let’s say, ‘I AM A GOD-MAN.’ …This spirit man within me is a God-Man. …Say ‘I’m born-of-heaven-God-Man. I’m a God-Man. I’m a sample of Jesus. I’m a super being.” (Praise the Lord, TBN, Dec 6 1990). “I am not part of him, I am Him! The word has become flesh in me.” (Our Position in Christ). “Are you ready for some real revelation knowledge… you are God” (“Our Position In Christ”, tape # AO31190-1)

    Beware those who are shown a false prophet and defend them despite the truth given. God’s Word is CLEAR regarding those who continually defend these vipers Amos 3:3 and Luke 6:39.

  89. Marianne said

    IC

    you are really fascinated with me, aren’t you?

    Like I have repeatedly said……

    I will look at facts, and if there is something wrong, I will say so.

    the money issue is one of them

    making stupid or unwise statements is too

    but you also make bad comments….so should I reject you too?

    maybe the “cover yourself daily with the blood of Jesus” might be good for you.

    It is not because the blood needs to be renewed that we do this, but because we are humans and forget easily that his covering is there always for us.

    So if we actively pray each day, acknowledging the blood of Jesus, this will keep our faith on track, and our mind focused. If we keep our thoughts on God each day, we will be stronger in our daily struggles.

    Daily prayer is important.

  90. Marianne said

    regarding:

    Benny Hinn causes death from his antics on stage

    “That first comment there by Marianne was just despicable.”

    what I said was true…normally fractured hips do not cause death…it was puzzling and sad what happened. So the discussion continued as to what may have gone wrong.

    only a doctor’s conclusion would shed some light on the situation.

    many people in those events are volunteers, and not medical doctors. they are inexperienced…this was a rare occurrence.. the staff did call an ambulance, even though they should have done this more quickly…this was tragic, but I am still not sure why she died. There does not seem to be an official doctors’ report that is available to look at?

  91. Marianne said

    ps I agree that carelessness is inexcusable

  92. Jesusman said

    IC and Job,

    You asked for ANY scriptures of people falling backwards, so I threw a couple out there. Benny Hinn is a trinitarian. He is in your camp, not mine. His “nine persons” theory is just the trinity doctrine taken to its logical conclusion.

    A simple question. Is there more to God than Jesus?

  93. Jesusman said

    IC wrote: “That being the Christ who is NOT the Father and NOT the Holy Spirit, but the 2nd person of the Trinity.” Not a lick of Scripture in that little rant, just regurgitated Roman Catholic creed language.

    Not the Father?

    Isaiah 9:6
    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    John 14:9
    Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    Not the Holy Spirit?

    John 14: 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
    17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    18I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.

    Romans 8:9
    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    1 Peter 1:11
    Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

  94. Jesusman said

    IC,

    You sure seem to be hung up on what Jesus Christ is “NOT”. To me, HE IS EVERYTHING.

  95. Benny is a 9-a-tarian and I’ve never seen him document apology for that stance. And even if he did, enough has already been noted here that proves he’s nothing but a false prophet. As Oneness is false doctrine.

    A friend of mine has made a little something for you Oneness heretics, The New Oneness Translation Of The Bible.

    No man can realize Jesus is the SON of God unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to them. Pray Oneness man that the Lord show you the truth.

  96. Jesus making it clear that God is more than one person, yet One God.

    John 14:23 (King James Version)

    23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Notice Jesus says that AFTER the cited passage by Onenessman, to make it clear MORE THAN ONE PERSON is involved.

    No man can realize Jesus is the SON of God unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to them. Pray Oneness man that the Lord show you the truth.

  97. Marianne said

    I think most trinitarians fail at justifying one god, but 3 persons. I am not talking about what is true or not true, just how well people can explain things.

    just like those that believe in oneness may have trouble explaining, and prooving, that the Father and holy spirit are NOT jesus.

    benny hinn made careless statements about the trinity, saying that each person had a body, soul, and spirit (like man does). somehow with his math, it ended up as 9. I still see 3 to debate over.

    God has a certain level of mystery…we do not understand everything, so we explain things in human terms, which immediately limits God.

    I guess this debate will continue until everyone gets to heaven and they see for themselves.

  98. Job said

    Marianne:

    At which time the people that rejected Trinity will be cast into the lake of fire for their rebellion against the truth as plainly revealed by scripture. Jesus Christ was on earth being baptized, the Holy Spirit descended upon Him, and the Father spoke of Christ being His Son in whom He was well pleased. It is only hard to those that wish to make it so in order to justify being in a movement that was originally begun by a freemason Klu Klux Klansman that was later arrested for sodomizing 2 teenage boys (Charles Parham) started in 1901 because he was convinced that everyone else in Christianity was doing it wrong.

  99. Marianne said

    I understand what you are saying. I am just saying that most people do not explain the scriptures well enough to support their view, and so those they are witnessing to are not convinced.

  100. From: Paula White Declares Herself To Be A Trinity


    According to two evangelical Christian books on New Testament era Jewish – and Jewish Christian – thought on the doctrine of man, The New Testament: Its Background And Message (by Thomas Lea and David Black) and Jewish Backgrounds Of The New Testament (by Julius Scott) Jewish doctrine about the time of Paul – and remember that Paul was a trained Pharisee and onetime Sanhedrin member – man consists of two parts: the natural and the supernatural, the body and the spirit.

    Job, I’m glad you and I agree we are body and spirit. And that is all.

  101. Job said

    IC:

    Yep. The “soul” is part of the body … it is what the Bible also commonly calls “the heart” or “the flesh.”

    Marianne:

    “I am just saying that most people do not explain the scriptures well enough to support their view, and so those they are witnessing to are not convinced.”

    Are you sure that is the case? Because the Bible makes it explicit. All you have to do is refer to the many places where Jesus Christ refers to Himself and the Father and/or Himself and the Holy Spirit as being distinct, and the many other places where He refers to them being One. Denying their distinctness rejects scripture. Denying their unity rejects scripture. The only way that you can be faithful to scripture and not a hard – hearted stiff – necked rebel is come to the conclusion that the Godhead is three yet one, one yet three. Whether a person calls it Trinity, Tri – Unity (my preferred term), Triad (the term of the second century church), or comes up with a term of their own, a person is either accepting the Biblical evidence or rejecting it. It is not the job of the person witnessing to make the case. It is the job of the rebellious person to cease their rebellion against God and put their faith, trust, and submission into the scriptural evidence. Let us look at it from an Arminian – free will point of view. If people want to die and go to the lake of fire for eternity, it is their business. It is not my fault or my responsibility no matter how much someone tries to make it. The vast majority of the things wrong with the evangelical church today is this nonsense believe that Christians are driving people away from the gospel by loving God’s Word more than they love sin and rebellion. When I was more radical with this website last year, I used to get that nonsense from Christians all the time. What the world wants is for you to tell them that you can do whatever you want and believe whatever you want and still go to heaven. We have a bunch of evangelical Origens (the early church leader who advocated universalism, saying that even Satan and the demons would ultimately be saved) going around willing to pretend that the lake of fire is going to contain Adolph Hitler and pretty much nobody else, or that you can somehow save someone from the lake of fire by not telling them that it is precisely where they are going to go unless they repent. The whole “you have to be able to convince people and not drive them away” is just an excuse not to have standards, and they don’t want to have standards for anyone else because they lack the faith that God will help them meet His standard and make and keep them holy. How can you believe that God loves you if you don’t believe that God will give you the ability to do what He wants you to do? How can you believe that God loves you if you do not believe that He will save you if you trust Him? That is what these people never consider.

    So instead they call doing what the Bible actually tells you to “phariseeism” and “legalism”, tell you that you are “angry”, “judging”, “divisive.” Well, to those people, I say “Hey, here is a Bible. Believe in it, obey it, do not take anything out of it or make up stuff that you think that should be in it, and you are fine. Otherwise you go to the lake of fire for eternity. The choice is yours.” With that, my responsibility is over, and if a person wants to be a fried green tomato for eternity, that is not my fault nor my issue. And THAT was my stance back when I was an Arminian free will sort. Now that I believe in predestination and election, you can probably imagine my views on the topic now.

  102. Jesusman said

    IC, You haven’t answered any of the Scriptures I posted. You just link to the CARM article which I’ve read more than once. It misrepresents Oneness doctrine just like you do. Can God be in three places at once and still be One God? Or does it take a “god-squad” to accomplish this? The God I serve is more than capable of three simultaneous manifestations. The one single Scripture you posted is speaking of God the Father, and His Son, the man Jesus Christ. The distinction between Father and Son is between the Eternal omnipresent Spirit that is God and His human Son who died at Calvary and rose again and sits on the right hand of the Power of God. Jesus is absolutely the Son of God. He is also God incarnate. Do you deny that He is God? In Jesus I see the Father(John 14:9), who do you see?

    Job, Sorry to blow the lid off your little manmade theory about the nature of man, but the Bible distinguishes between body, soul, and spirit. But then again, to a tritheist, what does it matter what the Bible says?

    Isaiah 10:18
    And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

    Matthew 10:28
    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    God is a threefold being of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit yet remains only one personal being, and man, created in His image, is also a threefold being of body, soul, and spirit, yet remains only one man. Try again, Job. Next time, try sticking with “Sola Scriptura” and leave the manmade theories for the atheists.

  103. Marianne said

    I believe in the Father, son and holy spirit.

    problem is that throughout the entire old testament, this is not made clear….

    the jews were punished if they ever strayed away from the ONE God, so they are not too keen (muslims either) on accepting 3 personalities, because it violates the oneness of god in the Shema and the first commandment. It says. the Lord is One, and there is no other god (named holy spirit or Jesus) before me.

    I study to try to explain this apparent contradiction to non-christians, who think we are polytheists. they think we have 3 gods, so we are heretics. so we have to explain why God said there was only one of him for 4000 years, and then suddenly, there were 3 by the time Jesus showed up.

  104. John Kaniecki said

    Jesusman

    Hi hope you are well.

    What about mind and heart? Two more aspects of the human personality.

    So we have body, soul, spirit, heart and mind.
    I would through in two more essence and presence. Don’t ask scriptures for the last two though.

    Essence is what one is and presence is what one projects. It is just something I observed from scripture. Like when Abraham lied about his wife. The essence was that of a married man and the presence was that of a single man.

    John the Baptist. His essence was that of a prohpet of God. But his presence was that of a prophet or that of a mad man depending on the viewer.

    I like to include these two attributes because it helps understanding scripture.

    Love,

    John

  105. Jesus has ALWAYS existed and ALWAYS been noted in scripture, even Hebrew scripture.

    By Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (Messianic Jew) Jewishness and the Trinity

    Just because the anti-Christ Jews of today don’t see it and those who rejected Christ when He walked the earth in flesh didn’t see it and the Oneness heretics don’t see it, does not mean it’s not there. It only means one thing.

    John 10:26 (King James Version)

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    The Word of God is in COMPLETE agreement and His sheep hear His voice.

    My God is 3 persons and Christ affirmed He and His Father are 2 witnesses, 2 who fulfill the law of the testimony of 2 men, 2 persons, not one single witness of Himself, John 8:13-19.

    My God, the One True God is triune. Heretics and Apostates follow other false gods.

    Why would I waste time on everything said and asked by a heretic when they’ve already rejected the truth from my brothers that spoke to them previously? Jesus told His disciples to speak the truth and leave when it’s rejected. He didn’t tell them to send a 2nd wave of disciples to try and offer a more convincing speech. Hence the reason I don’t waste much time with such and have no need to spend my time rambling with heretics.

  106. Marianne said

    Fruchtenbaum said:

    “The first person is consistently called YHVH, while the second person is given the names of YHVH, the Angel of YHVH and the Servant of YHVH. Consistently and without fail, the second person is sent by the first person. The third person is referred to as the Spirit of YHVH or the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit. He, too, is sent by the first person but is continually related to the ministry of the second person.”

    just to make things difficult…. :) ……
    If the second person and the third person are sent by the first person, then that means the first person is the BOSS ( ie GOD) and the other 2 are just his helpers…..

    that is….the 3 are not equal…… :) from what he says….

    legitimate observation…..so explain, please….

    marianne

    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/

  107. Nate said

    Marianne on comment #97: Benny Hinn’s careless statement about the 9 spirits is satanic!
    In Revelation, there are nine spirits proceeding out of the mouth of the beast! I will search for the exact passage and hope to find it soon.

  108. Job said

    Marianne:

    Yes, the Lord is One. But not according to our understanding. God is not a natural being – as the Mormons claim! – but a SPIRIT who is outside of, apart from, and transcends our natural, created order which we comprehend by our senses and rational mind. The Bible says “without faith it is impossible to please God.” Well, if we could see it, touch it, taste it, predict it, comprehend it … it would not be faith, but rather only observation. So our task is not to convince Jews, Muslims, oneness pentecostals, or anybody else that we are not polytheists. Our job is to convince them that they are sinners and need a Savior.

    So what if it is a contradiction to our natural minds. The Bible is FILLED with contradictions, paradoxes, difficulties, etc. and Trinity is just one of them. I have several links to the left that tries to work through and resolve some of the MANY contradictions and difficulties in the Bible. Ultimately, all you can do is accept the Bible on faith or leave it alone and encourage others to do the same on Trinity and everything else.

    It is all about accepting the fact that God is sovereign. If God exists in Three Persons – as the Bible makes explicit – and refers to Himself as One … then He is One. It is not His job to convince us of that fact or to explain it to us. It is our job to believe what He says. Now as far as the Jews go … well their religion is filled with contradictions. Their Talmud is nothing but a bunch of endless arguments among rabbis. They claim to reject Jesus Christ because they are so against idolatry, yet not one of them speaks against kabbalah, which is syncretism: Babylonian mystical paganism mixed with Judaism. None of them deny it; they can’t, because there is too much kabbalah stuff in the Talmud. So they can accept that witchcraft abomination that they learned from the pagans while in Babylonian captivity but they cannot accept the Angel of the Lord in whom God’s Name was written? They cannot accept the Son of Man that was presented before the Ancient of Days? Acts made it clear that the Sanhedrin did not even deny the resurrection, they couldn’t because Jesus Christ had been seen by too many people: the thing was not done in a corner! Instead, they told them to stop preaching about the resurrection. They never said that the people who spoke of the resurrection were lying. They just said things like “By preaching the resurrection you intend to bring this man’s blood upon us”, meaning that “you are inciting the Jews to riot against us and stone us for killing the innocent man who died and God raised from the dead.” So any Jew that calls a Christian a pagan needs to be asked about all of that Babylonian witchcraft in the Talmud and the kabbalah, including nonsense about how if you pile up dirt in the shape of a human, draw a pentagram around the pile of dirt and put some symbol in its head, circle around it several times while chanting, the pile of dirt will come to live, flesh and blood living being (though it lacks a soul and cannot speak)! It is called a golem. Search for it on Google. Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein was basically a golem, and there are references to golems all over Jewish fictional literature. Some of them claim that Abraham made a golem goat (or lamb) and cooked and served it to the three visitors. Why? Because the Bible makes it clear that Abraham served them meat and MILK. The Bible says “do not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk”, a cryptic reference which no one knows what really means in the modern context. Jewish tradition has interpreted that verse as meaning that it is a sin to eat milk with meat; some won’t even eat cheeseburgers. So … Abraham serving meat with milk would have made him a transgressor of the law according to their tradition, so a lot of them have concocted that Abraham served his visitors dirt animated by an evil spirit.

    And these are the people that we take seriously when they accuse us of being polytheistic idolaters? Last year a Jewish college professor published a book admitting a lot of the strange practices that Jews have practiced throughout the series, absolutely wild stuff, and Jewish leaders put so much pressure on the fellow that he withdrew the book and apologized. It was all over the Jerusalem Post and the Jewish press. They NEVER opposed the factual content of the book, but rather stated “the book will cause anti – Semitism.” Please … the book proved that a lot of the charges that European Christians had against Jews are based in fact, and it makes it that much harder for them to put out Christian – bashing propaganda like “Borat.” Were Christians to study what is actually in the Talmud, the Zohar, the Rambam, and their other literature and learned about some of their efforts to oppose the church, we wouldn’t waste 5 seconds worry about what they think, because we would know that their religion is just as false as ISLAM, HINDUISM, and all that other nonsense. I actually have more respect for the Christian left, who makes it clear that they are only aligned with Jews for political reasons, and basically believe that either there is no God, or if there is a God then all religions lead to Him. But the Christian right … from the politicians to the pundits and ESPECIALLY the religious right leaders, and I am not just talking about the obvious clowns like Robertson and Hagee and Dobson but some of the more “respectable” ones … they know what Jews believe and still keep deceiving the flock with this “Judeo – Christian” nonsense, this “political dual covenant theology” abomination.

    Don’t get me wrong, I do not hate Jews and am not anti – Israel. I am just so frustrated at how so many Christian pastors, politicians, whatever have afforded Judaism some special status, as if there is any difference between that belief system and any other false religion that rejects Jesus Christ. Do these people let people know what Muslims teach regarding Jesus Christ versus what Jews teach? No, and there is a reason for it, which is why they are deceivers and liars.

    And as for Muslims … they have some nerve accusing Christians of being idolators when they worship Muhammed. I am sorry, if you are going to murder someone over making a cartoon about them claiming that it is blasphemy, you are WORSHIPING that person. And what is this Shi’ite Muslim thing with the madhi? Again, for them to call US polytheists is just an excuse from rebellious hearts to reject the Bible.

  109. Marianne said

    true, people that kill over a cartoon are a bunch of fruitcakes.

    but can you answer the question? this is just an academic question.

  110. Jesusman said

    Job wrote: “The Bible is FILLED with contradictions, paradoxes, difficulties, etc. and Trinity is just one of them.”

    Only to man’s carnal, unregenerate mind. Once the Holy Spirit indwells you, Job, and I hope He will someday, all these apparent contradictions will dissapear and you will finally receive the truth.

    You totally ignored the Scriptures I posted in comment #102 which totally destroy your “only body and spirit” theory. This is typical of you. When you shake your fist declaring “the soul is part of the body” you are arguing against the Prophet Isaiah, our Lord Jesus Himself, and the Apostle Paul. Have fun with that one, but I must warn you I’ve never heard of anyone winning an argument against any of them, which is why I take their words and the words of all the inspired writers over papal creeds and manmade formulas. You trust in a nifty little triangle with a circle at each corner and “is” and “is not” written on its sides, but I trust only in the Name of the Lord (that would be J-E-S-U-S) and His Holy Word.

    In comment #101 you wrote “Hey, here is a Bible. Believe in it, obey it, do not take anything out of it or make up stuff that you think that should be in it, and you are fine. Otherwise you go to the lake of fire for eternity. The choice is yours.”

    I suggest you heed your own advice.

    May the Lord Jesus Bless and Keep you and Lead you into His Truth.

  111. Jesusman said

    IC,

    I would have no problem saying the One True Eternal God was Triune, even a Trinity(even though the Bible never says so), if those terms hadn’t been tainted by Roman Catholic pagan foolishness. Triune and Trinity once meant One God manifest in three ways, which I would agree with. But since it now means three dudes made out of “God stuff”, I have to respectfully disagree.

  112. wawys said

    I belive that we need to foucas on Jesus, praise God he is using some people, but are you advancing his kingdom? you shouldn’t care what others are doing, but what are you doung in the name of Jesus?; if the enemy can get us all to take our eyes upon the brother, that means you will have to take them off Jesus.An he loves to see the christians looking at each others mestakes, an not at the author and consumer of you faith.

  113. Truth Stand said

    Facts or assumptions, my advice to you everyone is to go back to the bible and the truth of God – the word of God and study it diligently for yourself. Follow the truth. All of us will meet God one day and give an account of our life and even what we stand for.

    regarding false prophets,

    Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

    1Jn_4:1. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    1Jn 3:24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
    Mat 12:33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit.
    1Th 5:21 but test everything; hold fast what is good.

    Deu 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’

    I pray that everyone reading this blog will most earnestly seek the truth for him or herself, and not follow man. Follow the bible, the truth.

  114. Jen said

    The charlatans who call themselves men of God — it’s so hard to find a real “man of God” nowadays — have all succumbed to the three temptations Jesus experienced in the wilderness after the fast. They have turned stones into bread, jumped down from the pinnacle (and brought their congregations down with them, and they have bowed to Mammon. It now controls them. The gospel message that could once be brought to the benighted anywhere in the world regardless of what political or economic system they lived under, has been replaced by a shiny new meassage in the form of a Mercedez Benz. Eat that.
    it is doubtful these men and women of God are believers anymore, for after they have sinned a few times and realized God hasn’t noticed, they continue to indulge themselves and the faith ebbs until they realize they can still remain in the pulpit and live the lifestyle withour really believing.
    When they are finally exposed, especially in cases of sexual misconduct and financial impropriety, it is usually after they have become hardened, when their show of remorse is merely shame, and their faith is already shipwrecked. Please explain to me how in the world can a man of God, age 45 and divorced, stand in a pulpit and purport to speak for God when he has been actively engaging in sexual relationships with girls in their early teens? and for years too? It means he ha been a MOCKER! Wake up folks.

    If a preacher really fears God he may stumble and seek help, but those who persistently pursue those aberrations they preach against, are not men of God, but those who “crept in unawares”. Tares, not wheat. False prophets.

  115. Gloria Nyamuzuwe said

    Hi

    I am just curious, whose kingdom are you serving? Looking at the way you attack men and women of God left, right and centre, one begins to wonder. The only character that I know the Bible describes as the accuser of the bethren is satan himself, and any traits of such in a person is an indication of the spirit that is operating in him. Any serious believer of God knows what the Bible says about His servants and for anyone to rise up against any one of them even when they have erred (which they are bound to make because they are human beings, even Abraham, the father of faith did)is under of the influence the accuser. Repentance is required on the part of those who leading the devil’s attack on the Lord’s servants. Just in case you don’t know, an enemy of God’s servant is an enemy of God, so bear in mind that as you wage your war against His servants, you are waging a war against Him. Eternity is yet to see anyone who wins against God, coz there is none. Repent!

    • John Kaniecki said

      Gloria,

      Hi hope you are well.

      I recall Jesus denouncing the Pharisees and many of the prophets critcizing false prophets. Read the book of Jeremiah.

      To say somebody is not following scripture is not an attack. Christians must base things on scripute and not how they feel. The Bible after all is the Word of God.

      Love,

      John

  116. el dartey said

    who are you to judge which pastor is false or true?it’s only God that gives us that grace and power to reveal the mysteries…you only put a curse on u when you speak evil and blasphemy on His chosen ones…

  117. Vernon R. said

    Marianne and Jesusman, you guys can’t be serious!

  118. Noly said

    WHAT’S YOUR POINT….I DON’T GET IT….THERE WORLD NEEDS HELP, IT NEEDS PEOPLE TO PREACH THE GOSPEL….AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS TO BAD MOUTH THE FEW POWERFUL PREACHERS WE’VE GOT…WHAT ARE YOU THINKING OR ARE YOU THINKING AT ALL…. PLEASE SHARE WITH US ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU LED TO THE LORD LATELY….THEN ONLY YOU CAN CARRY ON DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST…CRITICIZE!!!

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